Ep6 – Norbert Leo Butz (Dirty Rotten Scoundrels- 2005)

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Hi there, this is Norbert Leo Butz and welcome to and the Tony goes to magic

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with special guests.

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Have you ever dreamed of winning a Tony Award? Did you ever practice your Tony acceptance speech in the bathroom mirror? Did you grow up watching the Tony Awards every year? Do you have a collection of Tony award shows on VHS tape that you refuse to throw out? But then this is the podcast for you. Every week I interview your favorite Tony Award winners. And together we go down memory lane as my guest share intimate and never before share details about their Tony experience. By the end of every episode. You're going to feel like you just won it Tony. Welcome to the Tony goes to. I'm your host Ilana Levine welcome today's Tony winner, Norbert Leo Butz and the 2005 Tony Award goes to No.

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I feel like crying because when I heard my name, I just got the joke. I just got it.

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no, I I first and foremost want to thank God because there's no way that somebody with my name from South St. Louis, Missouri ends up at Radio City Music or holding one of these without some divine

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I want to say hello to my daughters, my beautiful daughters, Clara and Maggie, who are my inspiration every night and every day. I love you too, so much and there's no school tomorrow. Okay. My parents are here, Norbert and Elaine. Yes, he is the culprits. My best friend Michelle Federer thank you for making me laugh on the inside again. Ellen flack, my manager. Thank you for believing in me from the beginning. My my agents especially Lindsey Porter, and Larry Todd, thank you so much. Thank you to Marty Bell, a truly compassionate producer who's given me another great part. The Old Globe Theatre, a great regional theater who gave us a home to create this play support regional theater around the country, to the best cast on Broadway Sherry.

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my dear dear dear friend, and my wonderful scene partner in my life friend, Joanna, Greg, Sarah Gettelfinger and to john Let's go, john, I have one of these but you have and I'm honored, but you have what I really want, which is the respect and the gratitude of every person in this community. I love you so much.

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Hey, Norbert Leo Butz

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Do you remember that night?

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Um, I do I have I have like snapshot memories of it. A lot of it's kind of a blur. It's Yeah, it is. there are gaps. There are big gaps in the memory.

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Do you want to do it again?

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bring even more memories? Yeah,

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that's what I was gonna ask you. Have you heard it since the night?

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I think I have. did spend many years you know, what strikes me first is, is how much has changed even. Let's see, that was 2005. So yeah, so many things have changed. Time it just goes on, you know, my friend at the time is now my wife. I have another daughter so that would have been another girl to think. And just on and on.

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Do you remember being in your seat when you heard your name called?

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not really that part. You know, write it you know, that's a couple of minutes it you know, I know people say this it you know that being shut out of a cannon. It really is man. It's just a rush of adrenaline. And so the memories are kind of vague.

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I totally understand. That's what's been so incredibly fun about doing the show and having conversations with people where we get to go back to what for most is a very happy event in their lives.

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you someone who practiced Tony's speech anywhere in any mirror or reflecting surface in your lifetime.

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Did I practice a Tony speech ever in my lifetime? I can't say I a Tony speech but I can be to be totally honest, you know, I I grew up, you know, in a big family in the Midwest. I wasn't really even aware of the Tonys, to be honest with you. I didn't watch them growing up, I had this really, you know, it was this kind of amorphous thing. But I definitely remember holding a bottle of shampoo, and like Oscar speeches or Grammy speech, that's definitely in the, you know, in something that I did.

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Well, this, by the way, this is one of two Tony's that you've won, you've had multiple nominations. And I found it interesting. And I'm curious if you can talk about how you decided which one to share or talk about today?

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Oh, that's a good question.

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I don't even know maybe, now that I think about it, you know, the, the catch me if you can, which I you know, was just as scary and thrilling. But I think, you know, that, that production and things that were going on in my life at the time were really difficult. There were some really hard things I was going through. And so I feel like the dirty rotten speech. As I as you had, you know, you asked me to listen to both of them was just a little bit more celebratory, it was more. It was funnier, you know. And, yeah, I think that's why sort of happier memories may be although I you know, obviously, I'm so honored with Catch me if you can as well.

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So, I do want to talk about Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, the show, that is why we are talking today about a speech. But just to just like, quick sidebar, you know, many of us have had show manses in our lives. Where we, you know, call them our best friend, actually, we call them our best friend. While we're working together, I want people to know that we're more than best friends. Yes. Even your wife, if I'm correct. I think what we met during wicked is that.

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So actually, we had met a decade before that, through a mutual friend of ours, and we did a few readings of a play that was being developed. So we knew each other, and we're friendly, but we became really close during, obviously during wicked.

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And did you fall in love during that show?

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We did, we did. And I was in love with her before I could even admit it to myself. And it is true. You know, we did start off as just really, really, really great friends. But yeah, I was crushing out so hard on her and, and, and I think she was with me, and but we didn't really start dating dating until until after we got we moved to Broadway. But it was that time in San Francisco really. We were doing the out of town and you know, putting together a huge, huge behemoth like wicked, you know, there was a lot of stress and she was just the person that our dressing rooms were next to each other and she made me laugh and you know, we just, we fell in love in the darkened theater during tech

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12 are the best,

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they're the best and with wicked, that tent, the tech was a month long. So that was a lot of flirting out in the dark while we were watching other people tech. They're saying so

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well, what a happy story. And I love that and I love that the person you thanked in the speech is still in your life because that is not always true.

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But that's true. That is

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jack O'Brien, who directed Dirty Rotten Scoundrels? David yazbek. Jeffrey lane, everyone involved in the creative team of this show has said publicly and on record. how remarkable it was to have you and john Lithgow at the center of this piece. And what a remarkable coupling another show man's

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it was

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it was just extraordinary to behold. But you would also been coupled with Sherry, Renee Scott in what became, you know, musical theater history in terms of a show that just is a gift that keeps on giving in the last five years. And here you are re united in such an unbelievably different sort of musical.

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Did you guys get offers for this show? Did you have to audition for this show? Did you ensure a talk about and go Yeah, let's this will be the next thing we do, too. Other talk about all those things.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, even the last five years was a reunion for Sherry and I because we became buddies doing rent together. We actually did rent on Broadway when Sherry took over for Idina Menzel. And I took over for Adam Pascoe, Pascal. And so we actually became great friends in rent. And then, you know, a couple years later did last five years. And then yeah, and I think it was during last five years. I remember David yazbek came to see the show. And we, we had drinks with him afterwards. And I think, you know, is a casual conversation where he said he had this piece and I think that was the first time that I heard that dirty rotten was in the world, I mean, that the last five years was in I mean, dirty rotten, was in the works. And so I went

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to less dirty, rotten five years within the works. I know what you're trying to say. The last 30

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was Sherry. It's like, what's there's been so many gigs, we've done that we I do I switch titles, of

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But I, I didn't audition. But what happened was, it was you know, I made I made lemons, I made lemonade out of lemons. So I was in wicked, and I got injured. I actually broke my neck, I ruptured two discs in my neck, and I had to have a, you know, really intense spinal surgery. So I was out of wicked for three months. And in that time, I got a call from my agent saying that I had been offered a two week workshop of dirty rotten, and Brian Stokes Mitchell actually played Lawrence. And we had a ball and that was Sherry. And me and Stokes. You know, and you know, as well as I, the two week workshop is sort of an elongated audition. So it was all it was already firing, it was already clicking. And so based on that, two week reading, I think is when I, you know, they officially offered me the out of town, and then the Broadway, Stokes booked a pilot and had to pull out and that's when the roll opened up, and, and lift, go jump right in. And john was at the reading, that we did this presentation for industry people. And he came to support, he and jack had been old friends. And so he came to support and fell in love with a piece. So that's when he was like, Oh, I'd love to do it.

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Norbert bots

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GO where He used to say to me lift I used to say to me every before every performance, he was down on the stage level in the star dressing room, and I was like up on the 12th floor. Every night he would walk up all those flights of stairs and check in with me before the show. And he would say from down the hall, that big booming voice he'd say, No, but where's my bitch? Wait. And then he'd give me a big huge bear hug. And then we go on and do that job. It was a joy Ilana from start to finish. And the thing about dirty rotten that I'm so grateful for. I mean, the show was a blast to do. But on our first day of rehearsal at the Old Globe in San Diego. I might, I was going through a divorce and my divorce was legalized the day before we started rehearsals, so I had to go to court. My marriage was dissolved. And the next day I got on a plane to start rehearsals and I you know, I was really vulnerable. At the time, I had two little kids, Sherry Scott had just had her first and her only child in a very complicated labor and delivery, which was really traumatic. And so she showed up still with like scars in her belly. And john had had treatment for for some some cancer cells that that had shown up. So he had to do something like Ray. So he was not well so I remember we showed up on the first day of rehearsal like the walking wounded man, we were, we were a mess and started laughing our asses off on the first day of that show. I like for the three of us was like this ball and it was like this, you know, laughter really, really was the best medicine for us. And it just really bonded us and and it just saved me that showed it in a lot of ways. And I'm so grateful for it.

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And for those of us who got to see it and be in the room, we're that kind of joy. And this sort of it was like it's it was like magical realism,

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you guys, it was also heightened, but it was based on this, you know, unbelievably you you felt the deep breath chips that you're describing. And it is only probably I mean, not that you can have great chemistry with people you hate because obviously, that's kind of a adrenalin that also works in storytelling. How thrilling for us that we all got to be in the presence of that because we were healed watching it like that kind of. I mean, it was so smart and so remarkably sung through by all of you and then remarkably acted and I think john Lithgow said I'm sure he said it to you in between kisses like not since Jane curtain How do you kind of felt this unbelievably comedic partnership but also this incredible trust and it was just it You made it all seem so effortless but my God, You worked hard?

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Yeah, we did work hard. But you know, when you you're right on and we did not fake it that was authentic. That was an authentic love fest among, among all of the principals in that show. I mean, Joanna Gleason Come on, and Greg Jabara and then saw an ensemble filled with, you know, people who are still dear friends of mine, you know, Rochelle rack and people who have just worked on Broadway over and over, if so many, it was a joy. And when there's that kind of infectious joy, man, it's, it's, it's, it's just an energy bar of love. You know, you're working hard, but it doesn't feel like work. It feels like hard core play. And, and, and, and I loved it. I mean, having said that, yeah, the show was super physical. I was always injured. I was always in vocal, you know, crisis and all those things you have to do when you're doing eight shows a week, but but man, and I learned so much alone, I learned so much. JACK O'Brien is, you know, he has the reputation he has, because he's just that good. And the thing I think, specifically that he did with that show, you know, it's just, it goes into ridiculous bizarre comedic territory, right? It's just so over the top, but he's really disciplined as a director, and he would kick my ass, you know, if he thinks you're out there. You know, he was his note over and over the piece is funny. You're not funny. It's the piece. That's funny. You are not funny. So he just really, really was merciless with us if he thought we were indulging and laughs too much. And that was an issue for me. I had never been in a great big comedy, you know, getting laughs like that is, is tantamount to taking, you know, a really high grade drug, you know? Yeah, really good, good, good.

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Any more,

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you want more if you're like me, and, you know, he was just that voice and he would get mad. He'd come into my dressing room after a night that he thought I was, you know, straying from the story. And he'd be like, I am not having you. I am not having you tonight. He would say to me, and then I would, and I trusted and loved him so much, I would listen to online. And, and then and then lift go was really just like, you know, every cast really does need that leader, you hear people talking about being leaders of companies. And man, that's he's just the best lift goes just the best at that. He is, you know, he works the hardest. He is the most generous. He's the most, he's the smartest when it comes to like dramaturgical stuff and writing things that need to be tweaked. So when you've got that guy, with no ego, or vanity involved, when you got that kind of energy leading the pack, everyone just follows suit. You know, it's that rule. You know, it's one of one of leadership. And so we were just lucky on all fronts, you know?

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Yeah, I mean, when I think about, I mean, this is about you, and we're gonna go right back to you. But when I think of all of the roles I've seen him in, and you too, for that matter, like the variation and the not repeating yourself. And I think, the lesson of humility that you're describing, when you talk about jack O'Brien, that kind of humbleness is what makes the number one on the call sheet, be Beloved, rather than be an ass and we're, who knows? And I think having those people at the helm early on and continuously is just so meaningful in production. And I think, you know, when I think of the things I've seen you in there, you know, it's really, it's really hard to teach comedy. You know, it's really I teach, you can learn choreography. And if you have natural talents, someone can bring you to other places. But yeah, this you know, you describe how you grew up and it wasn't Tony speeches, maybe it was a you know, Grammy speech and a pearl bottle but you are. So I mean, we know you can do things that move us to tears but this ability to be so funny, like what is that? Where does that come from? Where did you get your 10,000 hours is Mr. Girl talks to us about that gives you the confidence to kind of push it in the ways that sometimes you have to be pulled back in from

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Yeah, you're right. It really can't be taught. And I had a I struggled with with confidence in dirty rotten in the beginning. I had, you know, I knew I could do it. I I had done some really wild comedies like in, in college and grad school I had done Moliere, I had done some really physical Commedia stuff, and I just loved it. And I knew I was agile with it. But when I came to New York, my first gig was rent, you know, and I was with it for a long time. And I played the tortured, you know, depressive, HIV positive rock star. And then I went from that to the last five years, which was also very heavy emotional show. I mean, there's lightness and humor in it, but and then I did a series of Off Broadway plays that were really heavy. And so had not done a comedy and a long time. And so when, when we came to staging dirty, rotten, and doing like these crazy, crazy, comedic scenes, the rupprecht scene, for instance, it scared the crap out of me. Because, you know, when you're rehearsing a comedy, a lot of you know this, like, there are no laughs in the room, you know, what I'm saying? It is, you're out there doing ridiculous things and making huge choices in a vacuum, you know, talk about crickets, and, and jack is stingy, he will not laugh as the director unless he's really moved to laugh. So you know, if you're getting it. And I remembered some of those some days in San Diego specifically, where I'm like, I remember going to Sherry And I'm like, I suck. I am not funny, I suddenly had this huge imposter syndrome, I was a couple of weeks. And all actors know what that feels like. And it feels crappy, like, Oh my god, I'm gonna get fired. I don't know anything. And and I just kept showing up and trying to have faith and working with this great group of people. And when we did start to, to show it to designers, and, and, you know, people looking at rehearsals, and then when an audience came, I started to get my sea legs, you know, the audience really does tell you immediately, yes or no, it's a very direct thing. You get the laugh or you don't, and you get the laugh, honestly, or you don't. And, and find so when I finally got an audience there, I started to get my confidence back. And so that by the time we came to New York, I knew I knew what the piece was. I knew what was too far. Sometimes I still went over that line. Because here's the tricky thing with dirty, rotten, it invites that kind of improvisational vibe. So it's a thin, it's a fine line, right? Yeah, you have to allow for there to be moments that are totally surprising and new, at the same time. So really sticking to to that narrative, and being honest about the characters. So. So I was just I was lucky, I was really supported.

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And also, like, I remember, I mean, I was in New York, I was seeing that that was one of the shows that everyone wanted to see. And I have to tell you something, because the reason I mean I remember seeing your show for 1 million reasons. And Sherry was an old friend and I couldn't wait to see it because everybody was talking about it. But I also was at your show, the night Bruce Springsteen. Your show and I in New Jersey, and I have been obsessed with him. I've seen him in concert more than

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formerly both.

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My head was exploding, and then I want to know Did you know you think Yeah.

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Oh my gosh, this is I can't believe you said that. This was one of the clearest memories I have in all of my time at Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. Oh my gosh, I just even telling this story makes me sweat. So yes, I grew up worshipping Springsteen, when I was in high school, my high school girlfriend had an older sister, and she's like, Listen to this. And it was, you know, Born to Run. And I became a huge fan. And this is from like, suburban St. Louis, Missouri. He was, I mean, I learned how to play guitar listening to those records, I learned how to sing listening to those records. I'm an enormous fan. I have a really strict policy. When I'm in a show, I do not like to know who's in the audience. It doesn't work for me. I know some people love it for me. It instantly gets me in my head. It instantly. Sort of. I don't like to distinguish any show separate from any other show. I don't like that. I like to, you know. But in the middle of Act One, I had to do a quick change on stage surrounded by the ensemble guys. So they created this little wall around me. And they would they were facing upstage and I had to do this quick change. And one of the guys was like, under his breath. Oh, my God, guys, look in the fourth row. It's Springsteen. He's out there. He's out there with his wife and his kids. And I was like, Why did you say that? And then boom, I got a they part ways and I go out there. So of course the rest of the show. And yes, I see him. And it. You know, my stomach was in my throat. I somehow got through the show. I did see him cracking up. So I was like, okay, that's, that's good. After the show, I get a knock on my dressing room door. It's the stage manager. Oh, hi, Mr. Springsteen and his family are in John's dressing room. He'd like to say hello. I closed my dressing room door. I think I had a beer and I just tried to call myself down. I have a I'm actually a really shy person when it comes to meeting these types of people. Sure. I got the gumption. I went into his dressing room. Mr. Springsteen was there he was as sweet and gracious and very, very meek, almost shy, Patti scialfa. His wife was much more she definitely was the was was rapping the whole family, his kids were beautiful. We talked. He loved the show, I took a moment and told him how much his work meant to me. He said thank you. I had a car service that took me back home to New Jersey, I got in the car. And I started to weep. And I wept. I am not kidding you for a couple of hours to the point where I couldn't feel my face anymore. I had this enormous emotional reaction. And I've thought about that so much. I've talked about it with a therapist, like, what that was. And it's a combination of things. You know, when our heroes are like, our heroes, like our, our personal heroes, they're like gods to us, you know, what must have been like what the Greeks felt like with their, you know, but when I found out he was a person, you know what I mean? He sort of came down to my size. I don't know, something inside me was like, it wasn't. It wasn't sadness. It was just like, I don't know even what it was. But this idea that I had met the most important artist in my life, I didn't know where to go from there. Like, yeah, I'm done. I can retire and I was only 34 years old. You know, I was like, it was just so much to take on. And I had a huge emotional reaction after meeting Springsteen that night. But yeah, that was my Springsteen story. Wow.

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And the Tony

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and the Tony. craziness, craziness, craziness.

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Did you guys feel any pressure? Or? I don't know. Did you have any feelings about the fact that this was an adaptation of a film?

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I'm not really I am a huge Steve Martin fan and I remembered seeing the movie. I was a student in London and I remember I went to this Steve Martin Film Festival was like a 24 hour thing where they just showed movies like you could go and just chill and see a couple movies and leave and come back and and that was the first time I saw Dirty Rotten Scoundrels on screen and I just loved it. I cracked up like everybody else. Then when we got the script, it was it felt like its own thing, because even the film Dirty Rotten Scoundrels was based on an earlier film that Marlon Brando and David Nevin did called bedtime story, which is one of Brando's rare comedic performances, and he actually has some really great moments. It's not nearly as good of a film as dirty, Rotten Scoundrels. So I, and then Geoffrey lane, and David yazbek. are I mean, come on. Right, right. They're just geniuses at one thing at what they do. Yeah, so the script felt like, yes, there were some Greatest Hits from the movie, but it was also its own thing. The jokes were so fresh. Yes, because lyrics were so consistently unrelentingly surprisingly hilarious. Laugh after laugh after left. So that really, that really eradicated that any memory of of the film. For me, I was able to just do our show.

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But I've all I still love the film dirty, Rotten Scoundrels. And I still watch it when it comes.

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Well, I love that I got to see it. I love that I got to see it with my jersey family, Bruce and Patti and, um, I love everything I see when I think you know, this is all having you on this show is just an excuse to say that the amount of pleasure your performances have given me over the years live and then the endless hours of comfort I've received from listening to you on cast recordings. I couldn't even log in the hours for you. If you got residuals every time I listen to you. Well, you'd be a very rich man.

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Well, you know what, listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna throw it back at you a little bit. Because I love I love your show. And I didn't know about your show. Amy Ryan is a dear old friend of mine. And I I I don't even remember where I read it came up on my feet or something that she had done this podcast with you. And I listened to it. And that's when I first heard your show. And I'm like, This girl is delightful. I just love and I have I mean, Ilana, I have listened to so many of the archives of your show during during the virus, because I find them so inspirational. Funny. Yeah. So I'm, I'm honored to be to talk to you.

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I'm so glad you're such

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a great service for this community. Anyway, blah, blah.

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Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Like

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jackasses. Yes,

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audio, whatever that is virtual. So I have a couple of like, this is a quick lightning round to wrap it up. And I know you're gonna do great. So here we go. On the night. That you won your Tony for Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. The year was 2005. Who did you bring with you to the ceremony?

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I brought my then girlfriend, my wife, Michelle Federer. My mother and father.

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So sweet. It was a dream. Yeah, I can't even that's a whole that's a whole other episode. Right? Like bringing your parents to the thing I can I could weep and we've been weep. This is something that not everyone knows the answer to. But they should. What did you wear?

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I wore a tuxedo by Zinnia is that the name of the company? Yes, yes.

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Because you say so. Do you remember who gave you your Tony award?

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Of course I do. Bernadette Peters. I mean it was just it was just it was just gift after gift after gift.

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That's bananas. That's bananas. And then she

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went and she pronounced my name no but Leo but no of it. I can't remember how she said my name but it was

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your name but better.

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It was better it was it was Bernadette I don't care she could hear me shit face and I would have been like thank you.

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Thank you Take my Tony. And lastly and in this case there's more than one where where are your Tony statues?

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Oh my gosh. Funnily enough, they're only just a few feet from me right now on a shelf in my in my office. But I have to full straight up disclosure. I can't believe I'm gonna say this. I lost them both for several months. Recently my wife and I moved. We stayed in the same community we live in Essex County, New Jersey, but we moved and all our stuff was in different boxes and attics and basements storage spaces and I could not find a box with my Tony's and I found it like three weeks ago, under my bed in our bedroom. This one lone box with the two. The two girls were just inside unharmed. They were returned. And I'm happy to have them back. But I was I was about to Like, who do you call when you lose both your Tony's? Is there a 800 number is

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there is? Yes, yes, just Google it and you will find Norbert Leo Butz You are a gift to mankind. I'm so lucky to live on the same planet as you and thank you for being on and the Tony goes to

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your extraordinary your extraordinary Alona

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and the Tony goes to is produced by Alan Seales for the Broadway Podcast Network. The music and lyrics for the theme song are written by Georgia from Noosa theme song Orchestration by Alexander stage olien episodes are edited by Derek Gunther. Thank you to parody bill for the graphics. And please don't forget to go to the iTunes Show page and rate and review the show. Thanks for listening excerpt from the Tony Awards used with permission of Tony Awards productions

Growing up in the midwest the seventh of eleven children- Norbert Leo Butz was surprisingly unaware of The Tony Awards. If he had practiced any speech in his bathroom mirror it most likely would have been for the Academy Awards or Grammy Awards yet here he is – a two time Tony Award winner. The win for Dirty Rotten Scoundrels was such a joyous win and joyous night for Mr. Butz. It was while Norbert were starring in The Last Five Years that David Yazbek came to him and said he was writing the musical version of Dirty Rotten Schedules and wanted him to be in it. In this episode Norbert is so honest and vulnerable as he describes how often he felt like he didn’t know what he was doing with the role- wasn’t sure he was funny enough ( of course he was !!!) and then we talk about the night Bruce Springsteen came to see the show and how that made him weep for hours after because of the enormous emotional reaction he had to meeting his idol. That and so much more as we deep dive into the life of two time Tony Award winner- Norbert Leo Butz.

Hosted by Ilana Levine, Produced by Alan Seales, part of the Broadway Podcast Network.


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