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Excited to chat with our guests are currently a swing in the Tony Award winning musical, The Outsiders. Please welcome to Built For The Stage Podcast, Jordan Chin. Jordan. Hello. Hello. You're the star of the show. Let's make you the bigger screen. Hi. Nice to virtually see you.

[1:15] Jordan Chin: Likewise. Pleasure to meet you. Okay. So we were chatting a bit. You got to see a recording of a production at a movie theater of some sort yesterday. Tell us a little bit about that. Cause I'm still intrigued to hear more.

[1:27] Jordan Chin: Yeah. So it was Prima Facie. It was on Broadway. I think a year or two ago, Jodie Comer, she won the Tony Award for Best Actress in a Play. It was also in the West End. So it was at IFC Center. They were streaming it. It was recorded at the National Theater in the UK and it was absolutely riveting. It's a one woman show about a lawyer, like rising to the ranks and obviously chaos ensues and how she deals with it. And it was just like, I was blown away by her performance. It was so brilliant. And I was just like, how is she able to tap into such a deep emotional well, and the endurance to like, it's, there's no intermission. Like it just keeps going and a 90 minute show. So yeah, it was really inspiring.

[2:18] Joe Rosko: Awesome. Okay. Well, something you just said, I want to hop into later, but we don't want to get too serious too fast. Okay. So it was your day off yesterday. That's when you went to see that, that I guess movie or screening or production. What do you, what else do you typically do on a day off? Is it kind of, it depends or yeah. What's your mind?

[2:37] Jordan Chin: Yeah. It depends. I mean, I saw, I started the day off FaceTiming a friend in Korea, like since the time difference, like that was earlier in the morning, like a catch up call, you know, for me, it's usually like, I like to, it's my only day off, right? So obviously I need to do a lot of errands, chores, cleaning a lot of like logistics. Yeah. But I like to take, I like to go really slow on my day offs and just like go with the flow, do what I need. I think like, just get in touch with here and being like, okay, what do I really need for this day off? How am I going to rejuvenate? How am I going to relax? So I can get ready for this, you know, possible eight show week. Um, so yeah, basically it was, it's, it's a lot of like administrative stuff.

[3:29] Joe Rosko: Yeah. When you only have one day off a week, there's much to catch up on. So we don't want to, I don't want to, we don't want to get into that. That's a whole other topic. We're going to start making our signs and picketing getting ready, but, um, so it's your, it's your Broadway debut. Congratulations. Let's back up though. I saw that you went to, I believe University of Florida, right?

[3:48] Jordan Chin: So yeah, I graduated from UF.

[3:54] Joe Rosko: You're a Gator. Yeah. Okay. Wait. So, uh, are you from Florida or where you originally from?

[4:03] Jordan Chin: Yeah. So I'm originally from Florida, uh, St. John's Florida. It's like Northeast, really close to like St. Augustine Jacksonville. Um, yeah, born and raised there. And so I initially went to UCF, um, and I didn't, I was studying like health sciences. I started dancing in college. Um, but I transferred to, yeah, we can get into that later if you would like. I transferred to UF online once I moved to New York and I was going to the Ailey School and, you know, learning, refining my technique there. And so, yeah, I finished with a sociology degree.

[4:42] Joe Rosko: Wow. I love, okay. I love these stories. Um, okay. So now that you're in the business, would you, what's your, what is your strength? Is it you're acting, singing? Like what is your go-to? Like I'm, uh, well, okay. Yeah. I mean, I think with musical theater, I feel like you do have to have equally strong singing, dancing, acting, but, uh, I'm a, I'm a dancer first. So that's like where most of my experience comes from. Um, and then I started singing.

[5:13] Jordan Chin: You just started dancing in college.

[5:19] Joe Rosko: Yeah, exactly. Which couldn't have been that long ago.

[5:26] Jordan Chin: Yeah. I mean, yeah, you're, you're, you're a natural apparently.

[5:31] Joe Rosko: I guess so. Yeah. No, it's been a journey for sure. I'm just sorry to keep like talking. I'm just, I'm, uh, really just genuinely impressed. Like you don't just, I don't know, dance on a Broadway stage after just starting dancing at, I don't know, 18 or 19 years old, you know?

[5:45] Jordan Chin: Yeah. Yeah. It's an anomaly. Jordan Chin does the outsider of the outside. No. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Well, what, what, like once you started dancing in college, what was it that, I guess made it natural or maybe it wasn't, maybe you just busted your ass for four years there. And obviously you did anyways, but like, was it natural? What, what was that like when you first started?

[6:13] Jordan Chin: I guess, I guess, yeah, I had like a natural affinity for it for movement, uh, because I did a lot of sports growing up. Like, so my facility was like trained in a way for did like soccer, karate for like years, like almost a decade. And then I did like other things like flag football. I did gymnastics for like four years, uh, diving for my high school team, all-star cheerleading. So that helped with like performance quality, you know? Uh, but I think all of those activities helped me. It really like formed my discipline and like willpower kind of, you know, like the extra length. And also, I don't know, I, my parents are from Jamaica when we were just in the house, like cleaning, you know, chores like Sunday on a regular day, we would be just like moving and grooving.

It's just like what we do. So yeah, it felt like, yeah, I was definitely, I was definitely, um, it was easy to grasp, but I had to put in so much work to like refine the technique and to really, you know, be a Broadway dancer. I mean, it doesn't just happen overnight. So it took, it took a while, 10,000 hours. Right.

[7:27] Joe Rosko: So for any of our listeners that are younger and have this like daunting fear of, uh, starting dance or knowing that that's a part of the gig and you have to do it, going back to when you first started the classes in college, how, what was like the breaking, breaking point where you kind of overcame your, uh, fear or self-doubt, um, or imposter syndrome of like, no, I can do this. Like how, what kind of advice would you give to people that might be going into training and dance for the first time, uh, with that experience, similar to yourself?

[7:59] Jordan Chin: I would say just have fun, like lead with like, why you want to do this is because it's enjoyable. Like you, you're, if it makes your heart sing, it's easier to put in the work to just get better. Cause I wasn't thinking about Broadway when I first started dancing. It was just like, I started with an amateur hip hop team at my college, like through the Filipino student association, it was called Fresh Off the Beat instead of Off the Boat, you know? And so that taught me how to learn choreography, different styles of like, Oh, wacky, like very like elementary, like, this is how you lock. This is how you milk a thing, you know, like that. And it was, it was a community based thing. Like you're just having fun and we're just hanging out.

We'd be competed against other colleges. And then I took it further cause I found a dance studio in Orlando that needed men for their company. Like they needed an apprentice. So I was able to get free dance classes. So then I started taking like codified techniques, like Horton Graham, you know, jazz ballet. And that just like me accelerate. Um, so I would just say, yeah, find the joy of it. And starting early obviously helps because your body is more malleable the younger you are. Um, but yeah, I think, I think if I had thought like I could make a, like, I think I would have probably sabotaged myself or put too much pressure on myself. If I was like, this is going to get me to Broadway. Like I hadn't even thought of that that far.

I was like Craigslist gigs, like music video. I was like, Oh wait, I can, I can kind of move. And I, maybe this could be like a side hustle, but I was so focused on like my health science, like major, like I was ready to be a physician assistant. Like that's what I was going to school for. Like, and I was like, ah, this is just like, you know, a little fun on the side until it became serious.

[9:58] Jordan Chin: Okay. So when was the first like musical theater gig? When did that, that wasn't until 2018. Yeah. Years later. I saw I had been dancing probably for, let's see, like five, no, like six, five to six years. Um, and I started vocal lessons. So when I was young, like when I was eight, my parents put me in so many things, right? Like piano. When I was six years old, I took voice lessons for like two seasons. So I guess, I don't know, like five months, like I did a fall recital and a spring recital. And I remember the fall recital, I was like hamming it up. It was a great time. And then the winter or spring recital, I got stage fright. And then I, I quit. So I was like, I can't do this. But I had like some kind of a little morsel of like a foundation, like, Oh, diaphragm, like, you know, I knew some things, but then 2017 is when I started taking it more seriously as an adult and like, going to private vocal coaching. And I did a Stella Adler summer intensive before I booked my first musical. Your voice is so rich. I was gonna make this comment before you brought up the vocal coaching.

[11:09] Jordan Chin: You have this like, higher resonance sometimes, but you also have this like, deep down to the belly sewers of like a low voice. I feel like your vocal range has to be crazy, is it?

[11:27] Jordan Chin: Very perceptive, Joe. Wow. I'm giving you permission to toot your own horns. Yes, I like to think it's pretty dynamic, the range.

[11:40] Joe Rosko: Are you like belting B's and singing like the other B below, you know, middle C?

[11:47] Jordan Chin: When I cover 2-bit in the show, I sing A in one of the songs.

[11:54] Joe Rosko: Got it, got it. Okay, very cool. All right, let's jump into Outsiders a bit. So, yeah, walk us through the process of, I'm sure there's like many rounds probably for you to book the show. What was the audition process like for you to, you know, finally sign, seal, and deliver that first Broadway contract?

[12:12] Jordan Chin: So yeah, it was back in 2022. It was for the first workshop with Danya, Tamor, and the Coopermans. So they've been developing the show for a few years now, like a handful of years. And the pandemic kind of halted the production that was supposed to go to Goodman Theatre. So I auditioned in 2022 for the May-June workshop, and it was the most unique audition I've ever had. So we make it to the final callbacks, and it's an interview portion first. I'm getting ready to sing my song that I prepared and read the sides for Dally. They had all the ensemble members who could be greasers read for Dally. And, you know, I'm nervous. It's like the whole table. It looks like the Last Supper. Everyone's there, the producers, the choreographer, the book writer, you know, everybody, the whole creative team.

And the casting director pulls up a chair and is like, hey, Jordan, sit down. And Danya has like my resume and she's like, so Jordan, tell me about A Chorus Line in China. How was that? And I'm like, wait, we're having a conversation? And in my mind, I was like, OK, they're old friends. Go. And I just thought I like it totally disarmed me. I was like, yeah, I just started talking to them. So that casting process, it was they really were looking for unique individuals who I guess at one point may have felt like an outsider. I don't know what the formula was, but I got to share like my life story with them. And then we got into the work and it just it's so brilliant because if you're going to find people who you hope to carry through all the way to the Broadway, like two years, you're going to want to trust and know these people and see who they are.

So, yeah, that it was like I remember leaving and being like, did I do that? I was like, I was like crying as I was walking home. And yeah, and so I got to do the workshop in May to June. And then we did La Jolla out of town tryout and now Broadway.

[14:21] Joe Rosko: Yeah. Was this your first track where you're doing a swing track?

[14:27] Jordan Chin: No, actually, that's one before. Yeah. The first musical I did in the Heights, I was an onstage swing. So I had like to cover five tracks, but I also had my own track on stage that wouldn't really mess up anyone if I was to be taken out. So we were able to be like there every night doing our thing.

[14:47] Joe Rosko: Yeah. OK, awesome. And OK, I saw A Chorus Line on your resume, but I didn't know it was China.

[14:54] Jordan Chin: Yeah, it was the China premiere. It was like, oh, do tell. Do tell. It was like the last leg of a tour. Like they had cast. There was an additional casting for it because I remember they went to Japan first and some of those people stayed on. And so they were finding we just had two weeks in China and Shanghai and it was the China premiere. So and it was with Biorgly. So someone, an original cast member who, you know, yeah, exactly. It was a masterclass into just like the material. Yeah. Yeah. I got to cover Larry and Richie and then I was one of the cut dancers, Butch. So we're in the opening. We're doing it. Did you did you tour or did you were you in a certain city the whole time?

[15:41] Jordan Chin: Just in Shanghai. Just that one stop. Yeah. So, yeah, it was it was a quick, quick turnaround. I mean, we learned the show in like 10 days. We were just there for two weeks. So it was a good experience.

[15:53] Joe Rosko: OK, awesome. Let's go. Sorry. We got it. We'll hop back to Outsiders. When you're saying your audition story and said that on their resume, they were talking about A Chorus Line in China. I just had to ask. OK, so you walked. We left off with you walk out of the room and you're like, I think I booked this. OK, so what was the next step? Did you book it or was like, OK, we need you to come in for 10 more callbacks?

[16:21] Jordan Chin: So actually they they cast people for there was like a tier one workshop reading for. Yeah, like for a week, like four days. And so I didn't hear back. I wasn't I wasn't part of that. So it was like from April. It was like, you know, four days in April. And I was like and I asked my agents, I'm like, oh, is this, you know, has there been any news? Like, yeah, I think you're released from this. And I was like, oh, man, OK. I just I had a feeling then come like May, like early May. I get an email saying they would like me to join them for the tier three workshop. And I'm just like, oh, here we go. So, yeah, it was that. That's that's how it went. I just I didn't have to go back in. They they were looking for additional members of the company and I was on them. So it was three of us. I got to join as like extra people.

[17:22] Joe Rosko: OK, amazing. All right. Well, let's fast forward to the show opens on Broadway. When is it your first time that your stage manager is like, hey, Jordan, you're you're on. You're going on. How does that happen?

[17:33] Jordan Chin: Well, the first time was. So I did an offstage singing. We have booth singers in the show, like four of them, like offstage that as swings we cover as well. They're there to support the vocals on stage because it's so physical. So the first time I went on was for that track, a booth singer. But the first time I was physically on stage was April 16th. And one of the ensemble tracks I cover, Steve, Steve Randall. And, yeah, I get a text. They're like, you know, Renny is out. You're needed on. And I hadn't had to put in for the track, but I felt prepared. And I was like, OK, here we go. Let's let's soak it up. It was just like five days after they opened. So it was.

[18:23] Joe Rosko: Oh, that's really cool. Yeah. Days after opening is that's soon. Some swings are waiting months.

[18:28] Jordan Chin: Yeah. And then some go on in previews. So it's like it varies. It's crazy. You just got to be ready for anything.

[18:35] Joe Rosko: Sure, sure. OK, so let's talk about what everyone wants to know is the experience of your Tony party with the cast after he found out you won. My question that I first love to ask is how late were you out until the night?

[18:55] Jordan Chin: Oh, gosh, I think I got home around like five or six a.m..

[19:01] Joe Rosko: There you go. Did you go to a did you go to a diner at like four a.m. where you had a diner?

[19:05] Jordan Chin: No, we wouldn't. We. OK, so after the Tony party that we had at the Toscana or Mexicana, something near the Lincoln Center, we we went to the. What's the after party? I'm blanking right now. What's the after party that happens at a really bougie hotel that everyone goes to? Is it also by the Lincoln Center?

[19:36] Joe Rosko: No, it's because there's a there's a rooftop hotel right by the Lincoln Center that people go to.

[19:42] Jordan Chin: Anyways, I don't. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah. It's like a famous name. And it's the Carlton Carlisle. Yeah, we went we went there first and we were just like, oh, OK, what's the vibe? And we're just like feeling it out. We were there for like a quick minute and then we went to Angie's Place atelier, like down by like the Bowery to like have our own kind of like after after party. We were just hanging out there and there was food and we were just, you know, gallivanting debauchery, all that. Yeah, it was it was when we found out about Best Musical. First, we found out about Best Director. I mean, I captured that moment. Yeah, yeah. They called Donia's name and we flipped. We were because we were at the theater.

We hadn't performed yet. So we were in costumes getting ready to be bused to Lincoln Center and then we're going to get bused back to the Jacobs. So we found out Donia won and we were all it was like pandemonium. Like we it was so thrilling and we were just so happy and like proud of her. And in our minds, we were like, wait, we could have a chance to win Best Musical. I mean, like if she won, like wait, who's to say we can't, you know, we had one sound design and lighting for that. So we were just it was so electric and we're all just like screaming at the top of our lungs. And when we watch her accepted speech, we're just like so in awe of like, wow, especially, you know, two years of this process for some of us that were just to see her get her flowers.

It was like, yes. Right. Well-deserved. And then we performed and then we got bused back to Jacobs and we were like getting ready in our like outfits. And that's when they announced Best Musical. And it was before it was the two Elphabas, right? Like Cynthia Erivo and Idina Menzel. And they were like announcing, getting ready to announce it. And before they said the outside, it was so sad. It was like as if a vacuum was in the room. It was like outsiders. And we erupted. And yeah, we just took that energy into the rest of the night. And it was I'll never forget that. Because I know that for the performance part, they typically you get ready at your theater. They bus you to the to the venue and then you perform and then they bus you back. Where did you find out that you had won?

[22:14] Jordan Chin: For Best Musical, we were in the basement of the theater.

[22:20] Joe Rosko: And when we found out about Best Director, we were like in our dressing rooms and we all like stormed down. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Awesome. Yeah. I mean, I think a good majority of everyone knows about what it's like to perform on the Tonys, but some people still don't. And I've had this conversation with plenty of people that have been able to be fortunate enough to perform in the Tonys, but yeah, run us, run us by that. Just like a summary of, of the frantic chaos of you getting ready, bus, jump off the bus into the side door up the, you know, tell us about that.

[22:56] Jordan Chin: Yeah. The Tonys, I mean, it's a well-oiled machine. They, okay. So I, the first time I performed at the Tonys was in 2017 for the opening number at like Radio City. And I was terrified because that was my first like live performance and Radio City is massive, right? So the stage is huge. The first televised thing I'm doing. And I was like, I was like really young. So I was just like, Oh, here I go. But now we're at one of like their production numbers to like start off the awards. Like what, what opening number with the host? Got it. Yeah. Okay. And so then now I'm, I'm well acquainted with the show and we're in a much more intimate space and Lincoln Center, the stage is much smaller. There's, there's not that many seats.

It felt very appropriate for like our show. Like we're here to share, we're just here to share this with you. But we get in there and it's like, it just runs so well. It's like, nobody is messing around. Like it's just, it's so organized and we're, you know, you have people calling us, beckoning us, okay, over this way. Here we go. Funneling through, get the traffic flow. We're seeing all these other celebrities and artists and we're just like, Hey, hi, we're here. Casual. You know, you just go the series of like camera blocking the tech rehearsals that you have before your, your, your camera blocking, right? So you're finding out where the camera is going to be. And we're moving through the space on the stage.

Choreographers and director is giving us notes, what we need to do, what we need to like finagle. And then on the day you, we performed it twice. So we did it earlier in the day. They tape it as like a fail safe in full costume, everything that's like early on, just in case something goes awry. And then when we got there, we were the, we were closing out the Tonys. So, you know, Angie's presenting us and we go out and it's just like, you have to take the moment to just like capture it because it's gone in a blink and you really just have to be like present. And so I remember being like, just breathe it in. We're here. Like there's nothing to prove only to share, like just do your thing. So, uh, yeah, I don't know. It's a magical night. It's it's, but it's also just like, it's exhilarating. And so it's like, how do you funnel that energy in? You know?

[25:23] Joe Rosko: Awesome. Cool. Well, thanks for giving us a little inside scoop on that. One thing I like to ask our guests that are swings is the staying ready process, not just for like going on the stage at any beck and call, but like also in a mental, like spiritual sense. I know that it's, you all are kind of unsung, unsung heroes in a sense. And then all of a sudden you have to be superheroes, uh, on a given day. And then the next day or maybe a few days later, it's kind of back to the monotony, if you will, of like chilling in the dressing room. And how do you, how do you stay mentally, spiritually, physically sharp when you're doing such a selfless job as, you know, as a swing, how, how is that for you?

[26:10] Jordan Chin: Hmm. I think, yeah, it can, it can feel very isolating at first because you're so, especially during the tech process and rehearsals, because you're kind of like on the periphery of the room, like you're just, you're there, you're sitting down and you're taking your notes when they're teaching the choreo, you can get up and you're, you know, you're doing your thing, but you feel like, oh, I don't want to get in anyone's way. Like, you know, like priority is the onstage cast, but it's also just like a mindset shift of, I think our, our cast is so like, it's such a collective that we, I didn't really feel the hierarchy of like, or like the inferiority complex of being a swing, like, oh, I'm not good enough.

It's like, no, like we need you. You are our reinforcements. We trust you. Like you're here for a reason. Um, so I think knowing that and honoring that and knowing that your time will come, like when you will save the show or when you will, your skills will, you know, show up for you. Uh, that kind of carries me through the, the stress of like, will I be ready? Like, it's like, no, you just know you will. And so I think when you're chilling, it's also just like, I think they're there. That's like one of the pros of being like a swing. It's like you you're resting. Your body is like, you're able to like, you know, chill out because an eight show week is no joke. So like, it's a gift that you can chill in the dressing room and maybe do other work.

Like I, I try to utilize my free time when I'm there. I'm like reading or maybe I'm working on something else or getting other shit done. I was like, I cursed earlier though. No one's going to on the podcast police on us. So, yeah, I don't know. I, I it's, it's, it's like knowing your time will come. Right. So just like, just, just be prepared, know your, know your stuff and, and you'll be able to shine. Like you'll get the stage time. Like you don't be impatient about it. Like it's, you know, like that kind of like maybe, okay, relax. Yeah. I don't have anything, again, nothing to prove. Like you're, you're here, you're in the cast.

[28:32] Joe Rosko: Yeah. I mean, essentially it's one thing to cast someone in the ensemble in one track and say, I trust you to do this one track. It's another thing to sit behind the casting table and say, which person do we trust to be able to do three, four or five tracks and feel confident that they'll be able to maneuver the show so that, you know, a, they don't create any hiccups that gets in the way. And, and, and to that you know, everyone's able to stay safe, including themselves to, to put on the production. So kudos to you. I'm always a huge, huge swing fan. I wanted to ask about this credit you have about Marvel's Hawkeye. Is this the TV show? Was there a movie? I can't remember.

[29:17] Jordan Chin: It was a TV show, right? It was a TV show. Yeah. Disney plus. I was in two episodes. We were musical performers. Like basically we were, it was like the Avengers. They made a musical about the Avengers and we were the whole song Mark Shaman wrote and like Joshua Goss choreographed it. It was like, you know, and, you know, my colleagues were all like Broadway performers and amazing dancers. And it was like a spoof, like a part of the show. Like he goes in the first episode, he goes to a Broadway play and he watches it and he's just like, Oh, this is terrible. And, but they made a whole song. And I think at like the sixth episode is when they showed the full length performance. So you get like a glimpse of it in the first episode and then you get the full.

But yeah, it was the first audition, first gig I had post pandemic. I mean, like we were still in it, it was 2021, but that was the job that like allowed me to like move back to New York because I had gone back to Florida for like 14 months. And so it was in Atlanta. We filmed it. It was a great time. Yeah. And I was, I was Loki. I was Thor's evil brother. Exactly. The master of deception, right? The master of deception. Yeah. It was fun. It was a great time. Yeah. To this day we get the residuals still. So I'm like, this is a TV film. Thank you. Yes. Nourish me. Yeah. Okay. Well, good. Good for you, my friend. Good for you.

[31:00] Joe Rosko: Okay. Last question. I'll sneak in one little like fitness thing. If you work out, what's like your go-to, what do you like to do? Do you like to run or lift or take a class or yoga? Like what's your exercise of a choice?

[31:16] Jordan Chin: Yeah. Okay. I try to go to the gym like three times a week. So I do like a push, pull leg situation. Look at you with your split push, pull leg. Look at you. Let's go. Yeah. Shout out to Jason Schmidt and our cast who plays soda pop. He like helped me like come up with this like routine. But besides that, I do like taking dance classes. I just took a, like a month ago, I did a six week like dance intensive with the Verdon Fosse legacy. They offered me a scholarship because I was taking a dance class at, to the Hinton battle day of dance that black Broadway men was organizing. And Nicole Fosse approached me and she was like, I would love you to train with us. And I was like, absolutely. Like we can learn some rep.

They teach like Jack Cole, ballet, jazz, like flamenco in classical Indian. It was, yeah, it was a great time. So it's, it's between, and I'm like, I do cardio. I run before in the gym, but yeah, it's pretty much like lifting and dance. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. I love the versatility it's needed as a performer to stay well-rounded durable. So thank you for leading the industry from the front and showing us like the importance of it. Jordan Chin, thank you so much for being on Built for the Stage podcast.

[32:33] Jordan Chin: Thank you. Thanks for having me. And I definitely can't wait to start your program. I'm getting the emails. I'm like, okay, I gotta, I gotta, let's do this.

[32:40] Joe Rosko: Yes. Okay. Well more to come. We'll chat on the app, but yeah, until then goodbye, friend.

[32:47] Joe Rosko: All right, everyone, Jordan Chin, The Outsiders, make sure if you haven't seen the show, go ahead and run to New York City. If you're not in the city, see Jordan and the rest of the cast. Great episode, really cool insight. Just like, Hey, I'm going to go to college and major in something else. And then all of a sudden I start dancing and then I'm going to perform in the Tonys in 2017 and then do it again in 2024. And I'm going to be in this Hawkeye TV show. I'm just, you know, going to be in China. Why not? Amazing. Like kudos to Jordan. So cool. Anyways, Joe Rosko here, actors or athletes train like one billforthestage.com later.