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BONUS: Peggy Sue Got Married (feat. Caitlin Kinnunen & Isabelle Mccalla)

This is a sneak peak at Jess and Liz's other podcast "Carrey'd Away" where they're joined Broadway's "The Prom" stars Caitlin Kinnunen and Isabelle Mccalla join us to unravel the chameleon-like career of Jim Carrey, sharing laughs as we reminisce on his metamorphosis from rubber-faced comedian to a thespian of depth... Read More

54 mins
Jan 29



This is a sneak peak at Jess and Liz's other podcast "Carrey'd Away" where they're joined Broadway's "The Prom" stars Caitlin Kinnunen and Isabelle Mccalla join us to unravel the chameleon-like career of Jim Carrey, sharing laughs as we reminisce on his metamorphosis from rubber-faced comedian to a thespian of depth. Today we're talking about the forgotten Coppola romantic comedy called "Peggy Sue Got Married," where Jim Carrey plays the best friend of a very campy Nicolas Cage. Our stroll down memory lane brings us face to face with the rhino scene that defined "Ace Ventura" and the sublime moments of "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind," interspersed with personal stories that paint a fuller picture of Carrey's unique trajectory. It's an episode punctuated with chuckles and reflections, much like the roles that have shaped Carrey’s legacy.


00:07 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Music Hello, I'm Jesse McAdally and I'm Alan Seals.

00:18 - Liz Esten (Host)

And I'm Liz Eston.

00:20 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

And welcome to Carried Away, a podcast where we explore the films and television shows starring the one and only James Eugene Carey. And we've got not one, but two very, very impressive and special guests. Can you believe it? I cannot.

00:34 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Um Liz is literally having a heart attack right now.

00:36 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Oh yeah, we slid the money under the table Like it's really crazy, but please join me in welcoming the stars of Broadway's, the Prom and Emma and Alyssa themselves, caitlin Kinnanen and Izzy McCullough, woooah, heather, and then add like a lot of applause, huge round noises right here, yeah so much applause, so much. Whee the Vuzalelas. Um, thank you both for joining us. I, if you would believe it, like Caitlin, is currently in Israel right now and it's like nighttime. Yeah, so it's like dealing with like.

01:08 - Alan Seales (Host)

Why did you whisper, israel?

01:10 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Um, I just realized I didn't want to dox them, so if they could need to get cut later, how are you two doing today?

01:16 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

It's a real ear.

01:19 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I did not believe either of you with that, but let's keep going. Um, this is a Jim Carrey podcast and everyone's first guesting. I do want to ask what is your histories with Jim Carrey, respectively? Where did you first learn about him and what is your opinion of him now that we're a little bit removed from his heyday? And, caitlin, I'm picking you to go first.

01:39 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Great. Um. Well, I'm going to be really honest with all of you here. My knowledge of Jim Carrey is not vast. You know, we've got like a. We've got a few highlights, like some Ace Ventura and Eternal Sunshine, but like I am not a connoisseur and I know that he seems like a cool guy and he dated that one woman who's an anti-vaxxer for a really long time, but he's no longer with her, so it's good.

02:08 - Alan Seales (Host)

I can still cannot remember if it was Jenny McCarthy or Heather Locklear, I guess for it was Heather Locklear for the first, like four episodes.

02:15 - Liz Esten (Host)

For the first episode. He kept saying Heather Locklear every like 10 seconds and we kept trying to correct him.

02:20 - Alan Seales (Host)

Jenny Nick Locklear.

02:21 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Yeah, um, they make Glocklear. Jim Carrey's own relationship with vaccines is a little iffy too.

02:28 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)


02:30 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Not the most fun territory, but I like the fact that you're more cursory knowledge, because we had Brightman on a few weeks ago and he was a big fan and real, obsessive, obviously a big influence on their work. So I'm kind of, I'm really glad that we kind of have a more like a general view of him so we could just kind of talk about the media. Um, izzy, what about you?

02:51 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Well, he proposed to me three years ago and we've lived half a year with Dersen Now. Um, she started with Honesty. I thought I'd start with a lie.

03:01 - Alan Seales (Host)


03:01 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

McCarthy is that you Wait, which is the lie? The?

03:04 - Alan Seales (Host)

happy part or the marriage part, both honestly, you decide you decide.

03:09 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

No, uh, I am also not the biggest Jim Carrey Cossore. However, I do love me some Grinch who stole Christmas. I think that is his best work to date Of the old Uvrah I've seen. Of his I've also seen um. Bruce Almighty is a classic that I love, yes and uh. Obviously Ventura Him coming out of the rhino, but really does it. For me it's a ball. So we're poking through. You know, something changed in me when I saw that for the first time. I was like I'm oddly.

03:42 - Alan Seales (Host)

Awakened a lot of parts in young people, I suspect.

03:45 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

I think it did, which is very questionable, and we all need to be half therapists, which we should anyway, but um yeah, so that's, that's kind of. There's a movie he did with tail Leone.

03:55 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Uh, Fuller Tick and Jane.

03:56 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Yeah, that one I had. I liked that one. Yes, we'll see the yes man guy. Yes, he was. Yes we'll see how that one. And then um Liar liar, it's classic. I also saw Eternals on Shine, which is beautiful.

04:10 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Uh, that's in a whole different category from like. Yeah talking out his ass kind of movies, even Jim Carrey.

04:17 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Yeah, I also know that he uh once wrote himself check for a million dollars Dated four years in the future, and then he booked his first movie like a week Before the four years was up, and like was able to cash the million dollar check to himself. Well, do you know what? He?

04:29 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

actually did with that check.

04:31 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Trained it.

04:31 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

No, shortly before he was able to cash it, his father died. He slipped it into his dad's coat pocket at his funeral, so yeah, Wait, did he ever?

04:40 - Alan Seales (Host)

did he ever cash?

04:41 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

it. No, he said, that was my inspiration and now it's going down with my father my other inspiration. It was like a very big moment for him, like the, the ending a chapter of his life and starring the next one. I know way too much about this man and it's not healthy, but speaking of which, um, let's talk about. Y'all have not been on the journey we have with this filmography. There was basically three actual porn films at the start of this. So I'm just happy like there's a movie with a narrative and emotional payoffs.

05:14 - Alan Seales (Host)

Yeah, we're just getting to the point. We're just getting to the point of his career now where there's a through line. Kind of.

05:21 - Liz Esten (Host)

Kind of.

05:22 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Does he engage in the kind?

05:23 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

of from the voice in the world, kind of oh.

05:28 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

It's not a pleasant thing to watch.

05:31 - Liz Esten (Host)

One of them was actually called the Sex and Violence Family Hour.

05:35 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Yeah, yeah so seeing a film where a female is the main character, has agency and is really kind of the main focal point of the story is just like oh, I'm loving this, this is good.

05:47 - Liz Esten (Host)

And we don't see her naked Ever.

05:49 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Yes, we don't see her naked. We don't see anyone naked and you have a director with a vision of some sort and like knows how to frame a shot. I'm like, I know I'm scraping at the bottom of the barrel here, but man, it just felt like eating candy for the first time when I've only had like sawdust.

06:06 - Alan Seales (Host)

Well, you know, I mentioned the director. It's Francis Ford Coppola Crazy. And daughter Sophia was in it too, by the way.

06:13 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Yes, she was Sophia went later direct Kathleen Turner in the Virgin Suicides. It all comes back. Wow, it's there. It's all connected and Nick Cage is the nephew of Francis Ford Coppola the hell happened to Nick Cage Nepo babies are gonna nepo baby.

06:31 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Peggy Sue was once crazy about the guy she married. I have certain unresolved feelings about your father. I don't trust him, but tonight at her 25 year high school reunion Well, charlie will be here tonight. We're getting divorced actually. She'll disappear in time and arrive in her senior year of high school. Peggy Sue got married.

07:03 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Peggy Sue got married. It was released October 10th 1986, written by Jerry Lechtling and Arlene Sarner, directed by the one and only Francis Ford Coppola, the plot of which is Peggy Sue faints at a high school reunion. When she wakes up, she finds herself in her own past, just before she finished high school. Um Interesting movie he's sitting on his own.

07:24 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

That's it, that's the whole. He said yeah, that's the whole plot.

07:27 - Liz Esten (Host)

Her own past A little behind the scenes thing. I'm the one who puts together all that information. Yes, I went on like six different websites to find a summary of Peggy Sue got married. That didn't suck and that was the only one I could find on like three different websites. I don't even want a letter box. That usually goes in insane direction. It's like Peggy Sue Fainz and ends up in high school and I'm just like.

07:47 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

None of them are untrue. Right, I mean, yeah, that is what happened it is a strangely kind of meandering, plotless story where it's just a deep dive into a character regretting a lot of their choices and the main question is if you were given the chance to change your life, would you take that chance? And this film opts for no. You wouldn't. Why would you you?

08:11 - Speaker 3 (Host)

got children.

08:12 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Come on, and maybe that's not the way to go about this, but the choice is there. I feel like that's where a lot of us are gonna have our issues. But, caitlin and Izzy, what is your guys' initial thoughts to watching this film?

08:27 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

I think my thesis statement yes, which summed up for me in the fact that the last line of the film is I'll make a strudel, and I was like, did you learn nothing? Because last Nickolas Cage, with a really bad box die job and a purely alien cartoon voice.

08:51 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

We'll talk about that.

08:52 - Alan Seales (Host)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The cartoon voice really got me. That was like when my puberty hit at, whenever it was 14, 13,. And then Nick Cage made a choice and old Francis Cole shirts in.

09:06 - Speaker 3 (Host)

It just gave me a chance to do some thinking last night. Oh yeah, yeah, you know about what we said on Tuesday.

09:15 - Liz Esten (Host)

I think it makes a lot of sense.

09:19 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Refresh my memory. How could you forget?

09:22 - Liz Esten (Host)

We talk about seeing other people and you forget.

09:27 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Oh, I must have blocked it out, yeah.

09:34 - Liz Esten (Host)

I guess I can understand that. Look please.

09:39 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Don't start crying again. He said he was inspired by the Gumby character Pokey, and then it was made even worse by the fake dentures he had to wear to give him the overbite he wanted. Wait, he wanted the overbite, he wanted the overbite. He's a fake cage. He's a flip and a weirdo.

09:56 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Because I distinctly remember watching it and being like why are his teeth so open?

10:03 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

It's because he was wearing dentures. Yeah, very much a choice. The set with Nicaige was a hellhole from all accounts, so much that Kathleen Turner had to pay for her words, but we'll go into that later. Caitlin, what did you think?

10:17 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

A lovely way to spend a couple hours.

10:24 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I can only dream my film gets out of review.

10:28 - Alan Seales (Host)

We're going to play a one star five star game soon. I can't remember.

10:32 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Is that a one star or?

10:33 - Alan Seales (Host)

a five star review.

10:35 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Yes, it could be either, I mean.

10:39 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

I think if I were many drunker it could have been five stars. Were you partially drunk already?

10:46 - Alan Seales (Host)

I absolutely wasn't drunk at all. I was not drunk enough.

10:50 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

So I think, completely sober, watching it on vacation while in Israel. I didn't pre-play this and think, oh, I should maybe watch it before I come to my vacation. No, I was like, oh shit, I have to watch this movie while I'm in Israel. So if those are your circumstances, I'd give it a two and a half stars.

11:12 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Okay, well, let's start with the positives. What did you like about it? Kathleen Turner? Yes, okay, I mean that performance is the reason why this film exists and has any lasting impact. It's not like this was some. I mean, I miss films like this being made. They don't exist anymore, sadly, and it is quaint and nice. But this was on a lot of best of the year lists, like both Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel put this fairly high in their list. I think Siskel had at six and Ebert had at nine and they were both overwhelming with praise about it. As Caitlin and I were talking about before recording, kathleen Turner got an Oscar nomination for this and a pretty stacked year with Sigourney Weaver and a lot of other folks, jane Fonda in the nomination.

11:55 - Alan Seales (Host)

Yeah, this is the year Alien came out and the year Aliens, aliens, yes.

12:00 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Oh, my God yeah yeah yeah, it was a big year. But also I wonder how this film would have been received if it came out a year or two earlier, so that Back to the Future didn't totally eat its fucking lunch.

12:11 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Dude, yeah, so this was in the early six, because Back to the Future, yes.

12:15 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Like months after, just mere months after Back to the Future came out.

12:19 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

But I feel like, yes, Back to the Future ain't its lunch. But also I feel like that statement should be followed with also if writers, producers, whatever, thought that women could do more than make strudel.

12:34 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That too, you know.

12:36 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Like because a woman could have done everything that Marty McFly did, but they were like no, no, no. If a woman goes back in time, she has to figure out that she really likes her grandparents. Wants to end up with her bum of a husband and make him strudel. Yeah.

12:51 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That opens this up to the development of this film that I would love to dive into, and what a better version could have been made. So, with the first choice and director, which is Jonathan Demi, who you might know from Stop Making Sense, married to the Mob, rachel Getting Married and the Silence of the Land, who is a very in Philadelphia, of course a very empathetic filmmaker. He is known for having very strong women in the lead and portraying them from a point of view that is very engaged. He is would have nailed this. He would have been very good in this and at the time, the star attached was Deborah Winger, who was the main creative force leading this to where it was. Jonathan Demi then was asked to leave by Deborah Winger and was replaced by Penny Marshall from a League of their Own and a bunch of other incredible films. A very acclaimed female director who I think would have had a lot to say, and I'm willing to put money on the ending would not be the ending if Penny Marshall were still directing.


And then Deborah Winger did not like Penny Marshall either. And then comes in Francis Ford Coppola Now we keep talking about Deborah Winger, who was the creative force behind it gets into a bicycle accident, hurts themselves, cannot be in the film anymore and is replaced by Kathleen Turner. And we're stuck with Francis Ford Coppola, who I'm sure just puts a lot of his family members into the film, changes the ending a little bit and makes it a story about hey, you both cheated, you're good now right? Because Francis Ford Coppola noted adulterer, big fan of that Tried to have sex with George Lucas' wife on many occasions. Not the most like marriage is good kind of guy.

14:32 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

You know, what's ironic about that is that he has the character who is the poet that hates Hemingway, which I loved. His take on Hemingway is that he's fat, violent and drunk, which is correct. And Kathleen Turner is like you can't remove the artist from the art, and he goes on a monologue about Jack Kerouac and how, like you should be able to live your art and you shouldn't be inextricably linked, or they should be inextricably linked, which is ironic that Francis Ford Coppola thinks put that character in if he himself is also an adulterer. And I was like we all should be forgiven.


It's fine.

15:03 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

But I also felt like that character is him making fun of artists? I think that is his commentary on people that take themselves too seriously. You're just a bunch of hippies that want to go into a polyamorous marriage in Utah. That really don't know what the real important thing, which is traditional family values, and I am shot from a cannon into the energy.

15:23 - Speaker 3 (Host)

What are you shooting for? Maximum intensity. Yeah, I'm going to get out of here.

15:32 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I'm going to write, I'm going to check out of this bourgeois motel, push myself away from the dinner table and say no more jello for me, mom.

15:42 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

That includes sleeping other people, of course, of course, yeah, yeah, tradition is a little.

15:48 - Alan Seales (Host)

It's tradition to sleep with George Lucas's wife.

15:51 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That is what bothers me with this film and a lot of genuinely interesting ideas and things that I was like getting engaged in. But at the end of the day it turns into everyone finds Peggy Sue hot, even like the platonic relationship I felt between her and the science guy, and then eventually he's like you should marry me and change history and she's like. Can someone please find value in me other than like my parts? I'm going to hang out with my grandparents.

16:21 - Alan Seales (Host)

Wait. So okay, I'm speaking of things that are just weird and didn't make sense to me In the. I thought I didn't know where this was going. This is the first time I had seen this film and I was like is it going to come back and actually history is going to change? Is it just all a big illusion? You know, obviously she was. You know whatever happened medical emergency, and then that's why she went into this drug induced hallucination. Did she still get pregnant when Nick Cage brought her out of the Elk's Lodge? And then they did it on the floor.

16:54 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

That's the vibes that I got.

16:56 - Liz Esten (Host)


16:57 - Alan Seales (Host)


16:58 - Liz Esten (Host)

She made the choice she made on her 18th birthday in her previous life. Thus, everything went the same direction and this time, reset itself.

17:06 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

You know, it's not like sperm count is. It's not just a dice throw, It'll be totally accurate. You'll have those same kids, right. And I have to learn to love two other kids because of the millisecond of difference.

17:18 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

And you'll have you'll get, you'll get.

17:19 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

You'll get, you'll get, you'll get. Yeah. Prompted her as the future yeah.

17:22 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Go ahead. Caitlin. Oh no, just like you. You give all of these ideas to the scientists. None of those come true, but magically you're thanked in a book.

17:34 - Alan Seales (Host)


17:36 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That. Well, no, actually I have a theory here that scientist is a fucking hack in every idea he got he got from her. That is what I was interpreting that ending as. Because he did all these microchips things because she told him he could do it, so he learned how to do it. Because she told him butterfly effect kind of thing. She was always meant to go back in time and do this stuff. The choice is okay.

18:01 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Micro wave-overs pocket calculators walk-a-mans digital watches and miniature television sets. Oh, and huge radios. I mean, for some reason everything else gets tiny, but portable radios get enormous, huge, enormous radios.

18:22 - Alan Seales (Host)

Wait, wait. So are you arguing that she was actually a time traveler or just reliving her past while she?

18:30 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I'm arguing that the movie is arguing that because I don't think that this science guy is that smart. I think he was given information and I okay, for my own benefit. I rewatched the opening scene after finishing the film because I really just wanted to compare to see if there was any foreshadowing bits. And his vibe feels like a man that knows he's a fraud in that opening scene, Like a man who knows that he has been living a lying kind of coasting off of information he was given unfairly. But if he knows that?

19:03 - Alan Seales (Host)

why did Nick Cage's character not know that she was off trying to break up with him instead of what she was originally trying to do Like? So what you were saying is that when she went back in time, she affected the future that she was already living in and hadn't known why. Yes, so if he knew that the fraud, right, the scientist guy if he knew that, why didn't Nick Cage's character and why didn't Peggy?

19:32 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Sue, because she never told anyone but the science guy that she went back in time.

19:37 - Alan Seales (Host)

And her grandparents.

19:39 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

They're dead. I think this is like a quantum thing. I think it rewrites itself. Yes, it's a multiverse situation, like she went to a different timeline.

19:49 - Alan Seales (Host)

So this is the back to the future timeline where Biff got the almanac.

19:56 - Liz Esten (Host)


19:57 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Okay, so the one of the back to the future does an incredible magic trick where they will show you Thompson, crispin Glover and Tom Wilson and the opening scene and they were nobody kids. And you're just like, look at that 40-year-old person, look at that 40-year-old actor, and then when you see them as high schoolers, your jaw is on the floor and like oh, oh, my god, how did they do this? That is like the reverse of this, where it's just like oh you gave Jim Carrey a mustache.

20:24 - Alan Seales (Host)

Okay, I was literally like why did they prematurely age all these people? This doesn't make sense.

20:31 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

This is horrible and the problem I have with Kathleen Turner I don't know if anyone else feels this way she is both too young to be a mother of a teenager, but too old to look like she's in high school. So, no matter what she feels like the other, she looks like Laura Palmer and firework with me the entire time.

20:48 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

They all look, they got the most honest take.

20:50 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

None of them were cool.

20:52 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

They're her best friend with the glasses like she is, that is a 49-year-old woman too.

20:57 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

All the women are like in their 30s, but Nick Cage was 19 when they shot this. Jim Carrey was barely 24.

21:06 - Liz Esten (Host)

He looks horrible yeah.

21:07 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

But he looks young, he looks like a kid, but he looks horrible.

21:11 - Alan Seales (Host)

I've seen near the end where he's like all on his ego trip talking about why he's the shit. I got the hair and I got the teeth and I look out the window I got the car.

21:28 - Jesse McAnally (Host)


21:30 - Liz Esten (Host)

And I had some pretty good press that I will say but you don't see, that was really.

21:33 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Do you have a Halloween costume yet, because I think you got a shot.

21:37 - Alan Seales (Host)

That's right, give me some candy.

21:42 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Who knew we had such a Nick Cage impersonator in our mitt.

21:48 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

It's weird that Jim Carrey and Nick Cage never work together again after this. But now that we're talking about Nick Cage, liz, how about we talk about what Nick Cage allegedly did on set? Allegedly?

21:59 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)


22:02 - Alan Seales (Host)

A lot happened.

22:04 - Liz Esten (Host)

I'll let you take this over. You did the research on this. Are you sure you want me to do this? It's a lot.

22:08 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

It is a lot, but I feel like, coming from a man, it would kind of take away the power.

22:13 - Liz Esten (Host)

Okay, oh, no, this is why we're going to this podcast. It's not just a bunch of dudes talking to each other for it.

22:19 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Thank you.

22:20 - Liz Esten (Host)

Okay. So in Terminator's 2008 memoir she wrote and this is a quote from the book he was arrested twice for drunk driving and, I think, once for stealing a dog. He'd come across a chihuahua he liked and stuck it in his jacket. On the last day of filming, he came to my trailer after he'd clearly been drinking heavily. He fell on his knees and asked me if I could ever forgive him. I said not right now. I have a scene to shoot, Excuse me, and I just walked out. Nicholas didn't mention, didn't manage to kill the film, but he didn't add a lot to it either. For years, whenever I saw him, he'd apologize for his behavior. I'd say, look, I'm way over it, but I haven't pursued the idea of working with him again.

23:06 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That was her first criticism, that was just number one.

23:10 - Liz Esten (Host)

And then in 2018, he commented on Nicholas Chikana and Nicholas Cage's terrible nasally voice Quote. I was it was tough, not to say cut it out, but it wasn't my job to say to another actor what he should or shouldn't do, so I went to Francis Ford Coppola. I asked him you approved of this choice. It was very touching. He, nicholas Cage, was very difficult on set, but the director allowed what Nicholas wanted to do for his role, so it wasn't in a position to do much except play with what I'd been given. If anything in it, cage's portrayal only further illustrated my character's disillusionment with the past. The way I saw it was yeah, he was that asshole.

23:54 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

No, I'm just saying that's the thing, wouldn't you want? If she's going to end up with him at the end, you need him to have some redeeming qualities. And the fact that he croons with an R&B group who are the only black people in the entire film, by the way Like that's enough to make, and then he buys the necklace, that's enough to make him redeemable character, when it's all he cares about is having the hair in the car and the and the what Like. I'm like. What. What dirt did he have on his uncle? That he that? Francis Ford Coppola. This reminds me of the episode of the Office where Michael Scott hires his nephew.

24:23 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

My name is Luke Cooper. I love cinema. My favorite movies are Citizen Kane and the Boondock Saints.

24:29 - Speaker 3 (Host)

That kid is the worst. He needs to be fired, Michael.

24:33 - Alan Seales (Host)

He's not the worst. Okay, he's not the worst. You know who's the worst? That intern we had a few years ago.

24:38 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That guy Remember, yeeees, that face, how ugly he was. He was the worst.

24:44 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

And like everybody's like please get rid of him, he's terrible and and he's like I can't do that. He's family and it's like he's making the movie worse. Yeah, he's actively making the movie worse.

24:54 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I mean, the thing is, sophie Coppola is in the movie and she's wonderful.

24:58 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

I see her and I'm like she's good.

24:59 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Yeah, that's a high schooler.

25:01 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

But what damage did this do to Kathleen Turner, to actually speak her mind?

25:06 - Liz Esten (Host)

Okay, so this is in response to the claims in her book in 2008, not the ones about his nasally voice of course so Turner was In response to the claim specifically that he had had a DUI and stole a Chihuahua cage, suit her for defamation and won. Oh and Change were everything, turner. He made a public apology to her.

25:32 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

No, she and no, no, no, he received a public apology he received a little apology.

25:36 - Liz Esten (Host)

I miss read a mess. Read it. He received a public apology from Kathleen Turner, and Turner and the publisher had to make a donation to charity. Did all this research before I watched the movie. So the entire time I'm watching I'm coated with the fact, just like, wow, these two hated each other.

25:57 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I mean this is not good the moment I was like, oh, this is a horror movie. When he breaks into her house, contemplates putting a pillow over her face. He literally tries to kill her like what I feel like that was not in the script. No same screenwriter. Considering the context of everything that happens before, that would have thrown that in. That was just a cage is up. They didn't do another take and they couldn't cut it like we're out of film.

26:23 - Alan Seales (Host)

We got to keep it. We're out of film.

26:26 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I'm not doing a take where I don't do that. Man, I got a.

26:30 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Probably one of my least favorite parts of where I was, like what is? Every scene he was in was my favorite part.

26:37 - Alan Seales (Host)

You want to talk about stuff? I did like Jim. Carrey scenes Tell us all the two. And he was actually a little bit enjoyable. He, he again. This is like the why I. I this is the part of his career still, when he's like, do I go big ol rubber face or do I try to still be serious guy?

26:58 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Yeah, and so he pulled a little bit of both he pulled a lot.

27:04 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Yeah, why was crazy I?

27:05 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

can't do that and he actually my favorite scene of his was watching him in the background of the like classroom scene of him just going and like making so many Ridiculous faces that like if any like extra ever made those faces the the 80s would be like, um, no, stop. But somehow in this movie they were like, yeah, that seems fine. I.

27:31 - Alan Seales (Host)

Feel like this was a not probably See something, say something kind of environment.

27:37 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Yeah, it sounds like it, I sure he was there Like a lot but not involved. But he's still doing the thing, his duck factory thing, where everything he Says has to be with that inflection of like well, come on guys, like what are we doing here? Like he still hasn't gotten out of the whiney roller coaster character.


He does, he is of, he doesn't quite know how to do it, and it's much more apparent during the class reunion stuff. He's like the best part about being a dentist is like you know you gotta work on teeth, but it's just like.

28:13 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

It feels like he's I like yeah him and.

28:15 - Liz Esten (Host)

Catherine Hicks do coke in a bathroom. It's high enough I can't.

28:23 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

The best thing about being a dentist? Pure pharmaceutical grade. A couple of lines of this, I could draw my own teeth.

28:39 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Hi, truly a weird movie. But I think the best parts of the movie is the opening scene, the reunion scene, like that opening shot where we start in the Reflection and then we go past it, true, like some good cinema stuff, and like I felt this character and I just wish that I was sticking with that version of Kathleen Turner. I wish we were sticking with that. Yeah, you sue because as soon as she's back in high school, she reversed to a lot of infantilization of herself.

29:07 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Can I just say one thing that really surprised me and I thought was really funny is the way that she belted out my country to so the yes, you must have been a Reagan fanatic, because I was like whoa, you were really proud and I'm like why Ronald Reagan is your president where you're coming from? But that's fine.

29:53 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I think their intention is, like she's so Nostalgia, so she's gonna like really lean into like the things that she used to do, like see her goofy parents, like like there are lines here that touched my soul, like when she like turns to her mother and is like I forgot you were that young.

30:08 - Speaker 3 (Host)

There are more here of brilliance.

30:11 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

And it's all from her, like when she answers the phone and she hears her grandmother's voice for the first time and she's long Dead. Stuff like that gets to me and the thing is I I'm discovering we are getting close to the time where I need to be Moving on to like the the letterbox section, but we have to talk about the weird cult at the end Lodge the cold freemasons.

30:35 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

I feel like people are gonna listen to this episode who have been walk this movie and be like what the actual fuck?

30:42 - Speaker 3 (Host)


30:42 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Peggy's who got married about, because none of what we've said was in that blurb she did say the title once. Yes, she's doing co-did we're doing, which I.

30:53 - Alan Seales (Host)

At that moment Izzy. I thought, yes, I thought she was like this, is it? This is where we're forking, like we're gonna fork away from the original but you didn't work.

31:02 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

It's she didn't for my mouse to see the runtime. Once I discovered we're going into the cult thing and I realized there was 11 minutes left in the film and I'm like they're not gonna take.

31:12 - Alan Seales (Host)

Yeah, interesting turn, are they? And at the end they did show grandpa like huh, she went back to the future.

31:18 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I guess it were. I mean, what else was he supposed to think? Like, I don't blame him for thinking that fast and mighty.

31:25 - Speaker 3 (Host)

One rule of light, king of the Sun. This girl is lost amid your mysteries and wishes to return to her own time. We adore the and invoke thee. Grant my name. Look with favor upon us as we witness the regeneration of spirit. We ask thy intervention that this girl may return to thee on the wings of thy love. The name of I.

32:07 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Also like that. Like the grandmother, knew she when she was gonna die like that was yeah, time travel.

32:12 - Liz Esten (Host)

I think that's. Yeah, I was implied the graveyards time travel at some point they're part of the free.

32:17 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Yea h, they are time travelers. Yeah, what is grandma.

32:19 - Liz Esten (Host)

I really think you do and this all connects to Jack the Ripper.

32:22 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Somehow they didn't teach me this and bye-bye birdie, but you know. But you know what else it in teaching bye-bye birdie, Um critical reviews. So let's move on to our critical quarter and we compare our thoughts to some real critics.

32:37 - Alan Seales (Host)

First from the New York Times. You know everyone's favorite transition. We have to do this.

32:41 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I give them all C-minus. So this is from Vincent Canby of the New York Times. Right when the film came out they say pay you to got married is a small, amiable sort of sloppy comedy fantasy with fond memories of buddy Holly's title song, the Ed Sulfiasco saddle shoes and Bobby socks, prom queens and the possibility of sex before teenage marriage. Though Peggy Sue got married can't be identified as distinctively personal, it stands in grave danger of being analyzed as if it were potinkin or even it's a wonderful life. Most of the time Peggy Sue got married is either underdeveloped or simply not thought through. The way that the film gets Peggy Sue into and out of the past is no less lame than the explanation of Bobby Ewing's recent resurrection in Dallas Timely reference. So much key information is missing or left uncertified or undramatized that the film appears to have been edited by termite that that is the most new york times review I've ever read wow.

33:43 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Yeah, that's scathing edited by termites Wow.

33:47 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

But like he's not wrong no, not a.

33:50 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

No single lie found. But let's look at time out, what they had to say more recently. In 2012. The movie is unfortunately bound to be compared with the much slicker back to the future. Ignore the ridiculous happy ending of this film and you have a much more fatalistic exercise in which Coppola issues easy laughs in favor of the exposure of Feeling and the fact that these people's lives, however empty, matter to them. And yeah, I did feel very empty at the end of this film and angry.


Well how about we compare? Like those are critics yeah, those are like basic critics and we basically agree with them. But we need to look at the real reviewers out there in the world, the people over on letterboxcom. It's time for the letterbox game one star, five stars. So how this is gonna work, we me and Alan are gonna read to you real letterbox reviews and you guys have to tell us whether it's a one star or five star, just based on the review alone, with no context outside of it. Alan, who's turn Do you want to be? Whose team do you want to be?

34:49 - Alan Seales (Host)

Oh, this isn't fair. This is like asking me to pick my favorite prom star. All right, all right, a rock paper scissors. Whoever. Whoever loses gets to be on my team.

34:59 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Oh, this is gonna be hard over zoom, that's hard.

35:01 - Alan Seales (Host)

They're, they're on the same roof. Rock paper scissors and shoot rock paper scissors. There we go.

35:11 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

She's on my team.

35:11 - Alan Seales (Host)

Okay, sorry.

35:13 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I'll go first. All right, you ready, caitlin? All right, yeah, okay, don't be nervous, this will be fun, it's fun. Door you got a babe. Peggy Sue should fight Donnie Darko. Is that a one star or five star review?

35:25 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

That's it. That's it um a I would. I would like to see that the fee I'm gonna go really mild and and it's gotta be a water of five.

35:38 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Oh it's, it's a binary. Or five, oh well that's a lot, that's a five star. God damn. Okay, it's okay, there's well on your turn.

35:49 - Alan Seales (Host)

All right, Izzy Jim Carrey should have won that Emmy.

35:52 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Yes, what.

35:58 - Liz Esten (Host)

I gather these, so I had to read a lot of them. This is the most out of pocket thing I read in letterbox game gathering history this wasn't even a TV movie. I know right, it's a TV-Astrical film.

36:09 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

I know I feel like that's a diss on the film, so I'm going to say one Correct.

36:13 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Hey, katelyn, we can take the lead here. All right, they need to remake this movie, but have Nick Cage play every character. Oh no, I'm going to go with five. That is correct, da-da-da.

36:27 - Alan Seales (Host)

All right, here we go.

36:29 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

One one.

36:30 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Well done.

36:30 - Alan Seales (Host)

Peewee Herman sure looks different in this one.

36:32 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I don't even know what character he's talking about. That is the one.

36:35 - Alan Seales (Host)

No, I think it's the one.

36:38 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Oh, we're trying again, All right.

36:38 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Katelyn, hug your family, type shit, oh one Five.

36:46 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

That would have all you don't like to hug your family, Katelyn.

36:50 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

I was reading it in a chess rose kind of way. Nope, it was saying I hate hugging my family, I love hugging my family.

36:58 - Alan Seales (Host)

I love hugging your family too. Right, we're right OK.

37:04 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

You're a very huggable family, Katelyn.

37:05 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

They're awesome.

37:07 - Alan Seales (Host)

All right, here we go, you ready, you ready, izzy. I hate men except Richard and Arthur.

37:13 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)


37:14 - Alan Seales (Host)

That's tough. We don't give you the easy ones.

37:16 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Because I hate those. I hate every other man in that movie too, but except grandpa. I don't hate grandpa, oh god. Because it could be like we love the feminist that Kathleen Turner is for three quarters of the movie, until the end, or these are nerve-wracking.

37:35 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

I'm going to go with one.

37:37 - Alan Seales (Host)

One. That's a five. That's a five. Ok, I had to look up which ones were Richard and Arthur.

37:42 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I fundamentally disagree with the Richard one because he's like you know what? Marry me, change your past. And Arthur I will give you, he is the one that loves his wife, defends his wife and is very calm. Oh, which one's the mother and which one's the daughter? Like, yes, arthur is five, everyone else garbage.

38:00 - Alan Seales (Host)

Cute. That's the room. That's it.

38:03 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)


38:04 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That's the whole review, cute.

38:05 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Oh, I didn't even know you were reading there. No, worries.

38:08 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

No, no, no, no, no. The whole review is cute, all lowercase. That helps Five.

38:16 - Alan Seales (Host)

That is a one. All right, let's do one more oh shit.

38:20 - Speaker 3 (Host)

I want to go with one.

38:23 - Alan Seales (Host)

Uh, let me see.

38:24 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

We're all winners here, all right.

38:26 - Speaker 3 (Host)

True, exactly the audience.

38:27 - Alan Seales (Host)

If you're still with us this far got to help you.

38:30 - Speaker 3 (Host)

All right, Izzy delightful movie.

38:34 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Oh no, I feel like this is a trick question.

38:37 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Always be concerned.

38:38 - Liz Esten (Host)

I always think it's a trick question or a concern.

38:42 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Delightful movie One.

38:44 - Alan Seales (Host)

Yes, one, caitlin, we can tie this up here.

38:47 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Yeah, they went first. I thought you guys went first, so wouldn't that be? Yeah, we got one more. We went up, we went out of that, we went out of that.

38:53 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

We went out of our shit got fucked up.

38:54 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

It's not over, ok, don't worry. Don't worry, no, there's no, there's no, no lies, or it's, it's on gift cards.

39:00 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I'm very competitive, caitlin, technically we you know what. It doesn't matter whatever. The last one is because Izzy has won this game. That's right.

39:09 - Liz Esten (Host)

I will say it was the only mildly horny one I could find no one's really horny over this movie. Letterbox is usually very horny website. Oh we did Well nobody's very fuckable in this movie.

39:20 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Being not horny, though, I just want to really quickly bring everyone's attention to the moment in the movie where Kathleen Turner has to call Nicola Cage's penis by a multitude of different names and that's full of them are horrible.

39:34 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Oh my god, but that's dope Was throbbing thrill hammer.

39:39 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I wrote it down, you wrote it down. It was so good. Throbbing thrill hammer is my drag name.

39:44 - Liz Esten (Host)

Oh good, IMDb has the whole quote. I have all of them.

39:47 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

All right, read them all off.

39:48 - Liz Esten (Host)

Does it lucky Charlie want to come out? You know your love machine, your throbbing, hammer your thing and Nicola Cage goes. Do you mean my wang? Do you mean my wang? Do you mean my wang Do?

40:00 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

you mean my wang.

40:01 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

There it is. Do you mean my wang? My wang, gotta get the time for tonight.

40:05 - Alan Seales (Host)

Well, that's almost fine, my chabeau.

40:07 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Your love machine, your throbbing thrill, hammer your thing. You mean my wang.

40:17 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

There is one other relevant Jim Carrey piece to connect with Nic Cage.


I feel like when we get to man on the Moon there'll be too much other shit to talk about, so you might as well talk about it here the fact that Jim Carrey stole a role from Nic Cage by gaslighting him. So they were both up for the role of Andy Kaufman in man on the Moon. The producers really wanted Nic Cage because he was fresh off of an Oscar win, but the studio really wanted Jim Carrey because he was a big star. So it was between Nic Cage and Jim Carrey and no one can make a decision. So they asked them to do a video, an audition video, where you do it in character and Jim Carrey calls up Nic Cage and he's like you know what? Neither of us should do it. Actors of our status shouldn't be asked to do it. And then Nic Cage's like all right. Then Jim Carrey paid an entire camera crew, bought Andy Kaufman's real drums and made a set and made a 15 minute video and turned that in, then got the role.

41:17 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

What? Yeah Well, didn't he like? There's a documentary series about yes, no matter how we actually like one method and it's bad. Right, yeah, it's bad.

41:26 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

There's so much to talk about with that movie that I don't think I'd be able to bring that story up, and how Nic Cage could have also played Andy Kaufman, but Jim Carrey really kind of sabotaged him.

41:37 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Can we circle back though, because I wasn't aware of this fact, because I, because Nic Cage has an Oscar.

41:44 - Alan Seales (Host)

Yes, I had to look that up just now.

41:47 - Liz Esten (Host)

Yes, you can now rely on him. Yeah for leaving Las Vegas.

41:51 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Yes, leaving Las Vegas.

41:52 - Liz Esten (Host)

No, you know. No, he didn't win for adaptation. He probably should have.

41:55 - Alan Seales (Host)

But Wait, so that was 95. Right, so Peggy Sue got married in 86, moonstruck 87, ex-convict in raising Arizona also 87, and leaving Las Vegas was 95.

42:09 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Yeah, but Moonstruck is easily his best performance and when he brought up in this line like I'd cut off my right arm, I'm like oh, moonstruck.

42:17 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Cut off my right arm.

42:18 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Like Moonstruck might be his only really true good romantic lead performance where I kinda buy him Like at any other point. Have you ever bought Nic Cage's or?

42:27 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

romantic lead, especially not here.

42:29 - Liz Esten (Host)

National no.

42:31 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I'm in love with the decoration.

42:32 - Liz Esten (Host)

No, I watched all the City of Angels and I just wanted to like punch him instead of like at any point feel romantic feelings towards him.

42:38 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

No, Although, did you see the massive weight of unbearable talent, or I think it's what is called that, nicholas. I didn't see that yet. No, so funny and the love story between him and Pedro Pascal.

42:49 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That might be the caveat, yeah when.

42:50 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

I do buy romantic tension.

42:53 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Everything else though.

42:54 - Alan Seales (Host)

I think just uh, justin Lewis, we should.

42:56 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

season two of this podcast should be a, a Nick Cage burn down Like it would be season three, because season two is going to be the Jim Carrey sequel without. Jim Carrey, because you can't just not talk about those. You have to cover them.

43:10 - Liz Esten (Host)

You know Nicholas Cage has 112 acting credits on IMDb. Right yeah, that would be way too much.

43:16 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That would be an unreasonable amount of films to watch. Are you going to watch all the films that went straight to Redbox? No, I'm not.

43:23 - Alan Seales (Host)

I love myself. I was on Nick Cage's private island in the Bahamas. He bought an island.

43:30 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

What so in?

43:31 - Alan Seales (Host)

the Bahamas. He a lot of famous rich people buy those islands because they're already, I guess, for sale from the country and Nick Cage see.

43:39 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Jeffrey Epstein and Nick.

43:40 - Alan Seales (Host)

Cage bought an island I think the story goes not realizing that it had endangered iguanas on it. So now he was never allowed to use it or build on it because it would disrupt their habitat. So now he owns this island where the public is allowed, tourism is allowed to go there, because it's a federally protected island that Nick Cage privately owns. So I've been on Nick Cage's island.

44:03 - Liz Esten (Host)

And I believe it's the reason he did old direct-to-video movies because he had to pay off this island in the Bahamas, because he just kept getting to work.

44:11 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Don't forget the other reason why he had to do all those direct-to movie things is he got married on a land in. Las Vegas, then immediately divorced two weeks later, but she still got half of his money.

44:22 - Speaker 3 (Host)

Who'd he?

44:22 - Liz Esten (Host)

get married to oh yeah, Heather Locklear.

44:26 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I don't know. I don't think it was any, not Heather Locklear, nor Jenny McCarthy.

44:30 - Liz Esten (Host)

We're going to summon Heather Locklear on this podcast. Stop talking about it. It's going to be weird, you know in a couple of weeks.

44:35 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

In a couple of weeks we are going to have to talk about a film starring Laurie Loughlin and we're just going to have to talk all about the college scandal there, so that'll be fun. What is our overall thoughts on? Peggy Sue got married?

44:45 - Alan Seales (Host)

So that transition was like a D minus.

44:48 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

So our rating system is an all righty then, or a no spank you. It's a binary, just like everything in the letterbox game. So what does Peggy Sue get married? Get an all righty then, or a no spank you.

45:00 - Alan Seales (Host)

Alan, why don't you go first? It's a very hard. No, spank you.

45:04 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

OK, you can't put this in the same category as the porn. I mean, you can't.

45:08 - Alan Seales (Host)

No, yes, yes, yes, you gave us a binary option.

45:12 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Oh my gosh, like everyone else, gets a pass. To put this wherever, alan. We watched through four porn movies to get here. That was supposed to be redeeming.

45:23 - Alan Seales (Host)

This just like made me angry. At the end, I was the pornist slightly redeeming, because he was usually entertaining mildly, but then at the end of this there was nothing visually entertaining about it and the story was shit and she was like, oh, great, great, great, we're going to do great things and change it. No, you didn't just go make a souffle Like it just didn't do it for me, sorry, so I'm no spank youing all over this one, Caitlin.

45:49 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

how about you?

45:50 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

This might be surprising, but I'm going to unroll those in all righty then. Wow, I say all righty then, because I think, overall, kathleen Turner is great and I love being able to watch young Kathleen Turner, and I think, technically speaking, it is a well-executed movie as far as like cinematography goes, and there are a couple of tricks that I thought were cool. So I think, like in the history of movie making, it's like a good one to watch. Does that mean you should watch it Wait?

46:32 - Alan Seales (Host)

a second no OK.

46:34 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

But there are some redeeming qualities.

46:38 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That is a very fair assessment, izzy, how about you?

46:42 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

I am not going to be as fair as Caitlin and I'm going to give you a thank you. I watched it once. I don't need to watch it again. I think Kathleen Turner is the one redeeming quality of this film, but I think the ending really ruined it for me, like I thought she was going to have an arc. I thought she was going to. I thought it would be really interesting if Peggy Sue got married, was past tense for a reason and she went and chose a different path and became a dancer or whatever. Also, that was weird that she just threw out a dancer out of nowhere. But I was like go live, girl. I wanted more for Kathleen Turner. She deserves more, and maybe that's the millennial in me talking. I don't fucking know. But I would not want my children, my daughters, to watch this, or female identifying children to watch this or anybody who, because the thesis to me is like marriage is what wings us to go out today, and I need it.

47:35 - Alan Seales (Host)

So no, thank you, she said that way better than I did. But all those plus one, many snaps, many snaps. Liz, how are you?

47:44 - Liz Esten (Host)

I have a female identifying human. It's like you have a lot of mixed feelings. It's a female lead, but then she ends up just baking strudel at the end. She could do something interesting, but she does it. There's Ebison Flows here Also. This was Wu's wrist, originally written by a married couple and I really want to read that version because I think it's actually better. Yeah, I'm sure it's a great look into what their thoughts on their marriage was years later. It's frustrating, but in context we've watched literally women be objectified for at least like four to five episodes of this show, this podcast, and having a woman have some mild amount of agency is going to give this a very light. All righty then, very light. Don't watch this movie. Watch Back to the Future. It's simple as that. Listen to the critics in 86. We'll just watch Back to the Future. I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would. Kathleen Turner's really good in this. I will say I enjoyed her performance.


I just can't recommend watching this because it's just boring and confusing, Especially the Pledge of.

48:46 - Alan Seales (Host)

Allegiance yeah.

48:48 - Liz Esten (Host)

She goes hard on that. My country tis of the eighths Like girl. Give us nothing.

48:53 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I'll throw mine out.

48:54 - Alan Seales (Host)

Yes, let us have it.

48:56 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

I think this film has value in the fact that, in a time where there isn't a lot of female lead stories, where they are given a lot of agency and plots, I think this is fairly well representative of goals and ideas that from a very female perspective, I'm not one of those, but from it I was just like I'm very glad that it just didn't. There wasn't much of like oh, a man wrote that line and I could feel like there wasn't any of those weird kind of ugh that was made for a male gaze moments in there.

49:28 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

A male definitely wrote that speech about the penis.

49:31 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

That one, yes, yes, 100%.

49:35 - Liz Esten (Host)

I know women talks to a penis with a penis like that, but the moment where the mother asks do you know what a penis is?

49:41 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

that felt like it was written by a woman. I think the highs are very high, but the lows are so low that it makes the highs almost invalid. The emotional beats and the emotional unpacking of like, oh my god, I miss my sister, can we go play games, those moments really work for me. Or, as I brought up before, when the grandmother calls and she's just like I can't speak to her because I didn't prepare what I was going to say, because those moments really hit for me and the fact that a movie that I think is like a C minus at best has moments that peak like so high for me, I cannot in good faith say that this is bad. And if you're willing to watch a film that's a little bit of a mixed bag and kind of disagree with it morally, though, I think you might have a good time. So I'm going to get this a pretty mild to low already then. Thanks, all right, agreed to disagree.

50:38 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Yeah, I would like to caveat that, like my already then is definitely with like a downward inflection.

50:46 - Liz Esten (Host)

Same here.

50:47 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Same here. I'm not saying, this is.

50:49 - Liz Esten (Host)

This is an A Like. I really like this movie. Never should go watch it. This is a.

50:53 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

this movie is perfectly mediocre, but it's not the worst thing I've ever seen, but I just think about things like revenge of the nerds and porkies and all those other things that come out, and I'm going to just be nostalgic for the mid budget like romantic comedy, because that doesn't exist anymore.


So I'm just like wouldn't it be great if we had like five of these this a year, wouldn't it be nice? Caitlin, izzy, you both are wonderful, incredible performers. I am grateful that you slubbed down to this weird Jim Carrey podcast with us. Please share your socials or whatever you want to share out there for the world, where people can find you. Caitlin, why don't you go first?

51:28 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Great. You can find me on Instagram at Caitlin Kinnanin.

51:34 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

All right and Izzy. You can also find me on Instagram at IzzyMicala.

51:38 - Alan Seales (Host)

I want to plug to that Izzy is now Maisie and Shucked on Broadway my gorge. Yeah, and my god, she's good at it.

51:47 - Caitlin Kinnunen (Guest)

Sally. Thanks Ellen, really fantastic at it.

51:50 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

We'll play, we'll play. You love yourself. Go see Shucked.

51:54 - Liz Esten (Host)

Hello everyone. This is Liz from the editing room. This episode was recorded in August of 2022 while Shucked was still on Broadway, but if you still want to see the wonderful Izzy McCalla in the near future, check her out as Marlena in the upcoming production of the new musical Water for Elephants. Previews begin on February 24 of this year and the show opens on March 21 at the Imperial Theater.

52:17 - Isabelle McCalla (Guest)

Thanks, nia, it's a shucking good time.

52:21 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

You know what?

52:22 - Alan Seales (Host)

else is a shucking good time. Got that chemistry.

52:25 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Got to do another. What's that? I got to do a C minus transition. Our wonderful listeners, thank you guys for listening. Please follow us on iTunes, spotify at the Carried Away podcast with Jess and Ellen, on Twitter at Carried Away Pod. Instagram Carried Away Pod. Email us at CarriedawayPodcast at gmailcom. Our title card is created by the amazing Grace Aki. Go follow them on Instagram at Grace Aki. This show is produced and edited by the incredible, the wonderful Elizabeth Aston. Thank you so much. And you also researched for us and it's amazing. Our theme song is I Choose you by the band Thanks. Thank you to the Broadway Podcast Network for having us on the platform and for not kicking us off, for making all the strudel All right. Anything else we have left to say?

53:06 - Liz Esten (Host)

I got to go make some strudel because I'm a woman, so I got to wrap it together we got to make things work.

53:12 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Me and her didn't work out. Kathleen Turner she thought the big bopper was a hamburger.

53:19 - Liz Esten (Host)

Oh, roast you a little while A little while, a little while I ain't get a DUI Allegedly Legibly Sometimes you just got to have a dog.

53:27 - Jesse McAnally (Host)

Yeah, all right, we'll see you next time on the Carried Away Podcast. I Choose you. I Choose you.

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