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[0:17] Kevin David Thomas: Well, hello, everybody.

[0:19] Robert W. Schneider: Well, hello, hello, hello.

[0:20] Kevin David Thomas: Hi, Robert W. Schneider.

[0:22] Robert W. Schneider: Hey, Kevin David Thomas.

[0:23] Kevin David Thomas: Did you miss me?

[0:24] Robert W. Schneider: I missed you.

[0:24] Kevin David Thomas: I always miss you.

[0:25] Robert W. Schneider: I always miss you.

[0:27] Kevin David Thomas: I saw Kevin on Zoom and I just wanted to say hello, gorgeous.

[0:31] Robert W. Schneider: Hello, gorgeous. And we can, uh, listeners, how are all of you? It's been a minute since we've said hello.

[0:37] Kevin David Thomas: Do you still subscribe to us?

[0:40] Robert W. Schneider: 2022.

[0:44] Kevin David Thomas: Oh, I missed that voice.

[0:46] Robert W. Schneider: That wrote talk about a great song.

[0:47] Kevin David Thomas: September holiday.

[0:48] Robert W. Schneider: Yeah, September 6th of Nick Bug Holiday.

[0:50] Kevin David Thomas: Wow. Beautiful.

[0:51] Robert W. Schneider: So now I s speaking of obscure things. One, this podcast, because I haven't seen you in such a long time. Um, what's been going on in, uh, in your life?

[1:01] Kevin David Thomas: Uh, a lot of vacations, you might say. Uh, we we've had taken a couple trips the last couple months, uh, the last month and a half or so. Well, as listeners, you may remember we love our annual trip to the Pennsylvania Renaissance Fair. I believe that one a favorite thing early, early on, uh, a couple years ago was, uh, Don Juan and Miguel, these two guys that I call I've I've literally watched since I was fifteen. They've been doing this sketch show at this Renfair for God twenty years or so, thirty-one years. Uh-huh. Uh, and they're still doing it. They're in their sixties now. Uh, and it is the closest thing to vaudeville that you can get. And it is the same jokes, the same sketches, and I am in that audience laughing my butt off, and I just love them so much, and they remember me, they're like, hey, you did the podcast about us that one time, and I was like, that's right. I'm that I'm that weirdo that just loves your entertainment so much. And three shows a day, you know, that kind of thing.

[1:52] Robert W. Schneider: Oh gosh, you just no offense to Don Juan and Miguel, but authentically there were no podcasts back then.

[1:59] Kevin David Thomas: So I just want to fair enough. I just want to the Renfair of because we're very You're right.

[2:06] Robert W. Schneider: There's period peace.

[2:07] Kevin David Thomas: I was gonna say Renfair enough.

[2:09] Robert W. Schneider: Fair friend fair enough.

[2:11] Kevin David Thomas: Ren Far.

[2:12] Robert W. Schneider: Fair enough. Thanks. That was my dad joke.

[2:14] Kevin David Thomas: I love I'm a dad. I love a good dad joke.

[2:16] Robert W. Schneider: Speaking, I was gonna say, how old how old is young Crawford now?

[2:19] Kevin David Thomas: My boy, my boy is just a little over three years old. He is, I'm happy to report he is matching pitch and singing. He sings along with teach me. Any parent, yeah, any parent out there knows that you are going to hear a lot of theme songs to children's shows. And so I hear a lot of theme songs. If anyone knows the Paw Patrol theme song, I can sing it along right with you. And my son can sing full out, and it is probably the cutest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. He's just wonderful. He's just the kindest kid. Sweetest, sweetest, sweetest boy ever. He he's adorable.

[2:48] Robert W. Schneider: Can we get 16 bars of something?

[2:51] Kevin David Thomas: I'm sure we can. I gotta get a video, and I think I do actually have some, but I'll post it. I'll post it on it. I bet I could get him to actually.

[3:00] Kevin David Thomas: Crawford Dwight Thomas. Yeah, he's great at his name, so I'm sure. But no, he's wonderful. And it's gonna Map time is at three o'clock. DGRW. Right for the top kid. Get the good boutique agency. Uh no, we're good. We're good.

[3:15] Kevin David Thomas: And so the big news actually to tell listeners, and I haven't really announced it officially, but when this pod comes out, I it will be. You know, after over a decade of living in New York City, or decade, two decades, since 2002, I graduated, uh, uh college, um and been off and on living in New York City. Uh Sutton and I and Crawford have decided to vacate the premises. We are going to move up, uh, to what's called the Upper Valley. This is in Vermont, uh, New Hampshire border. I got a job music directing at Dartmouth College, and um I Sutton and I met in this community. We met playing Romeo and Juliet in Northern Stage's production of Romeo and Juliet. Northern Stage is an equity theater, uh, professional theater up there.

And I had done half a dozen shows there, so had Sutton. Uh then we met doing this play, and that was about 11 years ago. Uh and so we're going to relocate up there and hope to ingratiate ourselves into the community, maybe perform again. Uh I'll music direct, uh, wherever they'll allow me to. Uh I'll be doing Pippin this fall. And so we're using this, uh, this job as an opportunity to create a new home and start, uh, afresh, you might say. Um so I'm a little scared, but I'm also really, really, really, really excited for, uh, a new beginning. This is this is I'm looking forward to sort of like the next two decades of raising our son, not being in the city, uh, and just having a little, uh, more a little more peace and quiet.

And honestly, Rob, it was not getting to do the things that I miss doing so much. Outdoor things, you know, uh, hiking, skiing, like just stuff that I haven't gotten to do the last 20 years. Golfing. I mean, nerd, wow. But I when I was a kid, I wanted to be a professional golfer. Um, so time is not going any slower. And so I, uh, I thought we thought this is this is it, this is the time to do it. And this job came about, and um, it really was, uh, the straw that broke the camel's back. So yeah, that's the big news. Is I'm I'm leaving New York City the end of, uh, I want to say the end of November, but I'm leaving to take the job, uh, it's September, uh, in September 11th. So I will be leaving, and then I'll bring Sutton and Crawford up in about two months. So that's the big big news.

[5:12] Robert W. Schneider: Uh, this school is so lucky to have you.

[5:14] Kevin David Thomas: Oh, they yes, and friends. If you're in the Dartmouth, New Hampshire area, hit up Kevin. Uh maybe you can go see.

[5:21] Robert W. Schneider: Find me. Would you say Pippin? Is that what the show is?

[5:23] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah, Pippin this fall. And then, uh, well, and if you got if you have a job for me, I'll I'll take it somewhere else. I'm wide open. Uh no, I'm I'm I'm really excited. It it's, uh, it's a beautiful, it's a place that we've had lots of friends. We have lots of connections, and, and, uh, you know, just from having spent so much time there, that it really does a little bit feel like going home in many ways. So we're we're super excited, um, to start something.

[5:46] Robert W. Schneider: Well, I I I know that I will miss you, but like you said, I feel like I'll see you more that now that you're leaving.

[5:52] Kevin David Thomas: Yes, it's that New York City. New York City folk who listen, you'll know this, but just because you live in the same town doesn't mean you see each other. And I feel like I I often will see my friends who live out of town more than I actually see the friends who are in town, often 40 blocks away from me. Uh that's just the way it is sometimes.

[6:06] Robert W. Schneider: What a city.

[6:09] Kevin David Thomas: Yes, what a city. God, I love her. To quote Brownstone, what a city.

[6:14] Robert W. Schneider: This is I love our obscure references to Debbie.

[6:17] Kevin David Thomas: Anyone Brownstone fans?

[6:18] Robert W. Schneider: Oh, I am.

[6:19] Kevin David Thomas: Oh, I am.

[6:20] Robert W. Schneider: Recognize the room.

[6:22] Kevin David Thomas: Uh yeah.

[6:23] Robert W. Schneider: And then and then and then Debbie Grabbit pops up.

[6:26] Kevin David Thomas: Oh, her voice.

[6:27] Robert W. Schneider: Well, can I sleep some more?

[6:28] Kevin David Thomas: What the fuck was that?

[6:30] Robert W. Schneider: I can't I don't, I will be honest with you. I don't I do not do a good Debbie Grabbit, but you know who does is Robbie Rosel.

[6:36] Kevin David Thomas: Oh, I have to do it.

[6:36] Robert W. Schneider: Robbie Reserve. Robbie Rosel's Debbie Grabbit is is like perfect. Like if it's it's that's I I just I'm just saying if Debbie gets sick, Robbie can easily step into the role.

[6:46] Kevin David Thomas: He should maybe put that into his cabaret, you know.

[6:48] Robert W. Schneider: He's he's doing so much cabaret. Robbie, throw some Debbie in there, man.

[6:52] Kevin David Thomas: Come on, I'll throw some through all of it.

[6:55] Robert W. Schneider: It should be wall to wall grab it, like they do wall to wall song time.

[6:59] Kevin David Thomas: Always, always wall to wall grab it.

[7:02] Robert W. Schneider: Three hours of junk man. Anyone if you don't know what we're talking about, go walk listen to her right now because that is a the special voice right there. That is something absolutely special.

[7:11] Kevin David Thomas: And listen to our interview with her, actually. That was a really fun interview.

[7:18] Robert W. Schneider: Like, is it gonna be a little bit more than a little bit more than a little bit?

[7:19] Kevin David Thomas: That's gonna be the hope. Is that is that, you know, if I can sort of ingratiate myself in some place, maybe. But yeah, the hope is to help pull the connections from New York elsewhere, you know.

[7:30] Robert W. Schneider: So that would be that would be ideal as well.

[7:31] Kevin David Thomas: I could live in New Hampshire. I could I have a flannel.

[7:34] Robert W. Schneider: Oh yeah.

[7:36] Kevin David Thomas: I have LL Bean.

[7:37] Robert W. Schneider: I love LL Bean.

[7:39] Kevin David Thomas: I'll see you like on the hiking track. I got a monogram backpack. Come on. Walking with my walking stick.

[7:46] Robert W. Schneider: Lift free.

[7:47] Kevin David Thomas: Live free or die.

[7:48] Robert W. Schneider: Live free and die.

[7:50] Kevin David Thomas: Ask me where I'm from.

[7:51] Robert W. Schneider: Uh Rose Corners.

[7:55] Kevin David Thomas: Oh god. Actually, that's the play. Sutton.

[7:57] Robert W. Schneider: Oh, so they built a new, like a $8 million, but really new nice brand new theater, uh, from scratch in the town, White River Junction. That's the so that's on the Vermont side of things. And Sutton actually opened that theater. She was Emily in our town about six years ago. Isn't that wild?

[8:11] Kevin David Thomas: That's so my gosh. This is such a sweet story. I love where this is all going.

[8:14] Robert W. Schneider: Yeah, so thank you. Yes. So Rob, everybody. Right back at you. How are you doing? What's going on with you this year?

[8:22] Kevin David Thomas: Oh my gosh, I had a fantastic summer. Thanks for asking.

[8:25] Robert W. Schneider: I feel like you did so many shows.

[8:27] Kevin David Thomas: I you know what? I did no no no net.

[8:30] Robert W. Schneider: Your favorite.

[8:30] Kevin David Thomas: And oh my gosh, friends. This is I have two bucket list shows. One of them is no no no net. The other one is gypsy. So I've done no no no net. Who wants to hire me for gypsy? I'll work with anyone.

[8:41] Robert W. Schneider: Yes, bring in Tova.

[8:43] Kevin David Thomas: Bring in Josh to Whip. You literally took the words out of my mouth. Friends, we love Tovafelshoe, but do me a favor, go on to YouTube and just search in, type in everything's coming up. Roses, Tovafell Shoe. That's a that's a Rose's turn that you'll remember.

[8:57] Robert W. Schneider: Now I will say, okay, folks, I'm really late to this party. So so Kevin, you're gonna have to help me out here. I'm now just getting into audio bootlegs and demos.

[9:11] Kevin David Thomas: Oh, really?

[9:12] Robert W. Schneider: Which is something for I don't know why. I've just never been into.

[9:16] Kevin David Thomas: Um, are you are you doing are you the same?

[9:18] Robert W. Schneider: I'm I'm not, I I just feel like there's so much stuff to consume that I just haven't gotten to that world.

[9:23] Kevin David Thomas: But I do know I have friends, uh, internet friends and real friends, but like that are there's a whole world of people who ups like collect this stuff, like major collectors of it. Am I wrong? I mean, I feel like there's like a whole trading world, and people who are like, oh, I've got this, this person went on for this lead, you know, and I've got the understudy going on for this, and blah blah blah. Like there's so many different, uh, collectors out there of this kind of stuff.

[9:47] Robert W. Schneider: So I kind of understand how it works today, which is you go in, you can turn your phone on, and like you're recording on your phone, and that's how you get the bootleg. Allegedly, if one were to do such an illegal act.

[9:56] Kevin David Thomas: If one were to do it, I saw Kevin being frisked at Love Quirks yesterday. I the man was pinned up against the wall at the Davenport Nay New Theater name. They were frisking him, and they said, sir, you cannot bootleg Love Quirks. Seth Bees and Hirsch will know.

[10:16] Robert W. Schneider: Seth Bees and Hirsch will come after you.

[10:20] Kevin David Thomas: There is a recording of Love Quirks on iTunes that you can listen to, sir. You do not need to bootleg.

[10:31] Robert W. Schneider: You need to move away from the building, sir.

[10:34] Kevin David Thomas: I have loved Seth Seth Bees and Hirsch since watching his, um, web series about 10 years ago. Called Every Day a Little Little.

[10:47] Robert W. Schneider: I love Seth, and he's created down over seriously. It's it's called like I said, it's called the Love Quirk.

[10:54] Kevin David Thomas: Love Quirks. Um, it's the new I Love You, You're Perfect Now Change. That's how I would describe it. If you love friends and you love singing, go see it.

[11:01] Robert W. Schneider: You saw it?

[11:02] Kevin David Thomas: I did see it. Yeah, I of course I went. You know, I go and I support, and I don't go to bootleg and to sell audio recordings of off Broadway shows to people.

[11:14] Robert W. Schneider: It's disgusting, Kevin.

[11:15] Kevin David Thomas: Just the Broadway stuff.

[11:16] Robert W. Schneider: That's just the disgusting stuff. There's Kevin standing in like Times Square while someone's like trying to sell copies of like notes.

[11:22] Kevin David Thomas: Love quirks, got love quirks here. I got love quirks. I have Bloomer Girl. Right next to the guys who try to pass off their like RB albums that are like their new album. Like, you know where they are. And I'm like, I I've got love match, love match as well. Or love quirks. I got either one.

[11:38] Robert W. Schneider: Do you think those guys have like their own billboard charts? Like they all sit in the subway and compare.

[11:44] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah.

[11:44] Robert W. Schneider: I sold this many today.

[11:46] Kevin David Thomas: I sold this many. Yeah.

[11:47] Robert W. Schneider: Oh wow. Tyler got two. Good for Tyler. I don't know what he's doing.

[11:50] Kevin David Thomas: It's the marketing.

[11:51] Robert W. Schneider: How does he market?

[11:52] Kevin David Thomas: Well, he pins you up against the corner and threatens your life.

[11:55] Robert W. Schneider: That's aggressive marketing.

[11:56] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah, he learned that at college.

[11:58] Robert W. Schneider: Steve Steve down the ways to a lovely gentleman kind ladies, and I just can't guy I don't know where to get it. And he's just selling them off. Everyone's buying them.

[12:06] Kevin David Thomas: Who's buying them?

[12:07] Robert W. Schneider: It's Jim Brochou. Is Jim walking back and forth? Peter Felicia and Peter Fletch getting into an argument about it.

[12:13] Kevin David Thomas: We are obscure today.

[12:20] Robert W. Schneider: And I'm surprised. There's also a lot of stuff of this on YouTube, which I was which I was not surprised by. So you, my friend, do not you have a very large, uh, cast collection, a cast recording collection.

[12:32] Kevin David Thomas: I love collecting casting.

[12:33] Robert W. Schneider: And you have a lot of records, right?

[12:34] Kevin David Thomas: Lots of records, too many, as my wife would say.

[12:36] Robert W. Schneider: Yes. Have you transferred any of the records to a digital format yet? Or you have not listened on vinyl.

[12:41] Kevin David Thomas: I do listen on vinyl. My biggest issue is this.

[12:45] Robert W. Schneider: Why am I shouting at you like we're in a war zone?

[12:51] Kevin David Thomas: Because you're passionate, buddy. You're passionate.

[12:53] Robert W. Schneider: I like it.

[12:55] Kevin David Thomas: You can't hear me. This is really nerdy, but and if those of you who are vinyl people, you probably will understand this. My my my, um, record player is is not very fancy. Uh, and I find that the quality is is quite mediocre. It's just a Victoria, like 10 in one type situation. It was like 150 dollars. It's just not great quality. Um, and I and I want to do this, but in with the records, you actually, I mean, obviously, you have to like sit and listen to the record as it's going digitally into this system. And I just feel like the quality's not good enough. So I'm just waiting, and maybe when I move to Vermont or something like that, I'll take the time. Um, but no, actually, I I just enjoy listening to the LPs just you know in real time. I don't I don't really need to transfer them digitally.

[13:30] Robert W. Schneider: What are some of the rarities that you've like like you have you think in your record collection?

[13:37] Kevin David Thomas: Oh my god, I have to really look. Well, obviously Angel.

[13:39] Robert W. Schneider: Oh, good, good, yes, yes.

[13:41] Kevin David Thomas: People still reach out and tell me they're trying to find you an angel album, isn't that true?

[13:45] Robert W. Schneider: John Moss still gives me so much shit on Twitter for it. Like every angel album.

[13:49] Kevin David Thomas: Or for having it or my liking it so much and just always making fun of me for it. I love it.

[13:53] Robert W. Schneider: It's a fun show.

[13:54] Kevin David Thomas: That's a cute show. Uh I do have I have a rare demo, uh, of Peter Allen, uh, singing, um, 70 Girls 70, about five songs from that. In fact, someone reached yeah, a Peter Allen fan actually reached out to me over cast albums.org. That's the the website, everyone that you can sort of catalog all of your your cast albums. And so I'm doing that now. At least once or twice a year, someone reaches out to me about something really obscure that I have and they're like how do you like a there's a Georgia Stitt demo from like 15 years ago that I have or 20 years ago that I have that's all of her first songs that's just incredible and some great singers on it, uh, Keith Byron Kirk and um such but uh no this the Peter Allen thing was a shock because not many people it's a very very very rare album I'm told, uh, and so it it's just him singing all of the demos for uh 70 girls 70 but it's really cool because it is a pressing it is a like a you know album pressing so I have just gotten into cast albums.org which I think might have been a favorite thing at one point don't quote me I definitely remember because I've been doing it I've been with them for since they first started in like 2007 or 2008.

So for someone who does not know because I am an I am new to all of this so let's say I'm looking on like your collection because like you said you can post your entire collection on there and I go oh wow he's really got the can like the Chicago demos and I really want them.

[15:07] Robert W. Schneider: Is it kosher for me to reach out on an email and say, "Hey, people do all the time"? People do all the time. Yeah, like this lady wanted the "70 Girls 70," and I was like, "It's an LP. I haven't burned it. I'm really sorry. I can take the time and I can try to burn it for you because I would, I mean, anytime someone is like, 'I love this so much. I'm passionate about it. Help me find it,' I will do whatever I can. If it's the passion, if it's to make money, that's different. I don't want to make money off it, but if you're just like, 'Oh my gosh, I'm a diehard Peter Allen fan and I've never heard this album before,' then I'm gonna do what I can. But I didn't get back to her for a couple days, and then she found it somewhere else.

So, but I get emails. Oh yeah, people have been like, 'Oh, do you have this? I would love to trade you for it.' And most of the time, I actually don't want to trade. I don't, I like to own the copy of it. No, I don't want to do so. I'll just give it to them. I'll just like, 'Here you go. I'll just send you the digital files if it's something digital.' You know, this doesn't happen all the time. And when I just think if someone's that passionate, if I was that passionate about something, then I would want someone to share it with me. If it was like some rare, like the National Theater production of "A Little Night Music," you know, I'd want that instead of having to pay $120 in 1999 for it, you know, which I did.

[16:15] Kevin David Thomas: Oh my god.

[16:16] Robert W. Schneider: 2001, 2001, yeah. What for spending too much money on that album for the CD? Yeah. For that's because back then there was like only a very small, you know, and it was London and it was very rare, and it was on eBay, and I had it was like one of the most expensive ones. Anyone that knows this album will tell you that that was a really rare at the time album. "Little Derby" knows. Sitting on the bed in profile, and red, and of course, yep. Looking at Lawrence Guitars, yeah, Lord's Guitar, yes, now playing Frederick, yeah, totally. Wow. Oh my gosh. Okay, so this is actually very good for me to know because there's a couple of things I've been looking for, and I see it on castalbums.org, but I was like, do I, can I, my fear was like I would email you and be like, "Hey," and I would get a response being like, "You cannot do this."

[16:55] Robert W. Schneider: No, no, it's very much the point of it. In fact, I think the worst thing that can happen is they'll just ignore you. I mean, I've just been like, "No, it can't be ignored anymore." Hit it, baby. And just to explain to listeners, this castalbums.org, it is an amazing user-friendly website, it's self-sustained and everything, but it's basically like the Internet Broadway Database or Internet Movie Database, but of cast albums.

[17:17] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah, so every page is clickable. So let's say, for instance, if we're talking about like shows that we know, let's say we're doing "A Little Night Music." You'll go to the title, it'll list all of the cast albums of "A Little Night Music" that ever existed. Not only that, it'll say the orchestrator, so you could click the name of the orchestrator and look at all the things that they've orchestrated. It's that kind of thing where you can just click, click, click and go to all the information, and all the users update like Wikipedia, the users update it ourselves. So as we get more information, people will update it. Now it's been 20 years, so everything's pretty much updated because you've got some really diehard collectors out there.

You know, but it's a really, it's a great resource. It's both a place that you can click, you can add your little albums to the collection. So even within "A Little Night Music," if you have a specific version of the original, like if you have the LP, then you can actually go to that version and click it and put it in your collection, and then so you can see other people's collections. And then also it's just a great resource, a reference resource, I think. That there's lots of information there that you just like, "Oh, I didn't know so many times there'll be a very lesser-known thing, and I'll be like, I wonder who the singer is on this because it's not listed on my album." Go to cast albums, and then they'll actually list like someone went in there and listed all the singers because there's, you know, the great wonderful diehard fans that we all are.

[18:29] Robert W. Schneider: That is so, thank seriously, thank you so much for letting me know all of that. That is incredible. Folks, my name on there, I think is like Rob W. Schneider25.

[18:41] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah, and I'm, my initials KDT 628, my birthday. So KDT 628. That's where that's me on the cast albums.

[18:49] Robert W. Schneider: Oh, wait, I'm gonna add you. Okay, this will be great. I can't wait to see what's in your collection.

[18:52] Kevin David Thomas: You can add, I didn't know you could add people.

[18:53] Robert W. Schneider: I didn't know. I'm just making it up. You want to talk about an amazing collection? Can I tell you what I did this summer?

[19:00] Kevin David Thomas: What?

[19:00] Robert W. Schneider: What if I told you that the largest, greatest collection of musical theater history was behind a Starbucks in Los Angeles, California?

[19:10] Kevin David Thomas: Did you see John Kenrick?

[19:12] Robert W. Schneider: I did not. I saw my, I saw Miles Kruger of the Captain.

[19:16] Kevin David Thomas: Oh my gosh, the other one. Are you kidding me? That's like, we're talking.

[19:19] Robert W. Schneider: Yes. American Institute of the Musical Theater. And folks, I told Miles I was gonna say this and I'm passing it on to you. For those of you that aren't aware what this wonderful institute is, it's run by a gentleman named Miles Kruger, who's like the Dean of American Musical Theater. He has a massive 17-room, might be more than that, two houses combined in Los Angeles, and every single area of this room, folks, and I'm not, these are big rooms, is stacked with something musical theater related. He has, he's been doing this since 1978. He has Oscar Hammerstein's personal own copy of "Showboat." He has Agnes DeMille's scarf from "Brigadoon." He has every single thing, every soundtrack that was ever made from a movie musical, he has that.

Ever just about every cast recording, he has that. Radio broadcasts that were never preserved of shows from the 20s and 30s with original casts, he has that. He has every single playbill. He showed me a playbill from "The Black Crook." He has just about everything you can imagine, but the pièce de résistance of the said collection is something called Ray Knight Films, K-N-I-G-H-T, Ray Knight. And for those of you who don't know who Ray Knight was, that's okay. Ray Knight was an older gentleman who from 1935 to 1973 would come up from Florida with his movie camera and film Broadway shows. Now, there's no audio because he could only use the camera, and it's not, and he would only really record during loud numbers so nobody heard the whirring of the camera.

But Miles showed me footage of Ethel Merman in "Anything Goes," Jimmy Durante in "Jumbo." The earliest thing in the collection is "Anything Goes" with Ethel Merman, and the last thing that this man recorded was the curtain calls of "A Little Night Music." So if you can think of a musical between 1935 and 1973, there is probably some footage of it in Miles's collection. Full color. I saw the transition into the embassy ball in "My Fair Lady." I saw a lot of "Most Happy Fella." It's incredible. When, yes, so anyway, so folks, but here's the thing. Miles doesn't have a website. He might be changing that soon. But he is listed, yes, listed in the phone book. And you can call him, or you can Google his phone number and you can call him and say, "I'd like to make an appointment to come and see the material."

Give yourself a lot of time because it is an epic, epic afternoon, and I spent a few days with him. So his big claim to fame, if you're a Miles Krueger fan, is he wrote the definitive book on "Showboat," the making of "Showboat" from the 1970s. I'm sorry, the book from the 70s, not the show, obviously. He is a wealth of information and knowledge. I believe, oh god, I hope he doesn't get angry. He's either 86 or 88 years old. Thank you, Miles. Thank you, Sam Miles. In all the time that I spoke with him, because I would get there and spend literally 12, 13 hours with him, he never once forgot a name. He never once forgot a date. He never once looked at a piece of paper to give you information.

He is a wealth of information, and like I said, because there's no website for it, do whatever you can to if you're in Los Angeles and hit up Miles and see this stuff. And like I said, folks, you'll see I'm not exaggerating and not being hyperbolic. Every room of this 23-room house is filled to the brim with musical theater.

[23:17] Kevin David Thomas: We should talk to him.

[23:18] Robert W. Schneider: I mean, we should, we should have a chat with the stuff.

[23:20] Kevin David Thomas: I would love to.

[23:21] Robert W. Schneider: I will say he does have a landline. So I, he, I did call him and I got a busy signal. We could do him the Mimi Hines way. We could do a Mimi, you know, wherever you remember. Remember when we were, remember we used to probably, we first got together and we were doing chats, like we would have like Rob's iPhone and we'd have our microphones pointed down to it to talk to the George S. Irving or whomever it was that, who was on the telephone. And to clarify, George S. Irving was not on Grindr. I forgot to shut off my notifications.

[23:49] Kevin David Thomas: Oh my gosh.

[23:51] Robert W. Schneider: But if he was on Grindr, amazing. I hope his screen name was Madame Lucy.

[23:57] Kevin David Thomas: Nice, nice.

[23:58] Robert W. Schneider: Thank you. Well done, well done, well done. That's what I hope it was. So anyway, folks, please go over if you can. Kevin, I have never seen anything like this, and nobody knows about it. He had huge supporters. I mean, he was very good friends with Stephen Sondheim. He was good friends with Oscar Hammerstein. I mean, this guy, because he got in, you know, I'll be honest with you, he probably got into the stuff when like the same age like Charles Kirsch has. Yes, so like, and he's been collecting for so long, and he's, people know, yeah. And I find, you know, you probably obviously know this, but you know, the people that have succeeded in writing, you know, like Sondheim and all these other people, they respect the researchers and the people who are preserving it, I would say, just as much as an audience member or anyone else that's going to consume it, but the preservation of this material, these people that do this, these people who have just like rooms and rooms and rooms of the doing things the way that you and I would love to do it, but have done it consistently and steadily for so many decades, it really is a very special and it's really a wonderful thing because this is a very niche art form, isn't it?

And there's not a lot of people who can make tons of money collecting this stuff, and it is so niche that, but it is so valuable to preserve. It is, and we're out of the, you know, we're getting into the digital age, so like this gap of the, you know, the paper age, it's important that we preserve it, you know, so I'm really proud, I'm really happy to know that this exists and I hope people reach out and how generous of him to open up his collection to so many people. And not only is it his collection, it's his home he lives there.

[25:36] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah, one of the rooms is his bedroom, yeah, which is also filled with wonderful things. And so God bless him for just being like, "I want this stuff to have a home," and folks, if you go, please, he is a wonderful human being and if you want for a treat, there's a bakery on the corner he really likes. Take him to lunch there. I'm sure he'll appreciate it. He's also, he's got great stories.

[25:55] Robert W. Schneider: Oh, I bet. This is actually a true story because he was able to prove it to me. He was supposed to be Freddie Insford Hill in the original "My Fair Lady" and showed me all the original material that Lerner and Loewe had crafted for the, I mean, it's, I don't want to, he sang for me verses from it I had never heard before.

[26:20] Kevin David Thomas: Oh, we gotta talk to him.

[26:21] Robert W. Schneider: Yeah, but he's an incredible human being. So folks, if you're in Los Angeles, go and hit up Miles because it's a special thing. Friends, like I said, I've been getting into these demos and stuff, and so Kevin, there's a couple that I've encountered that I'm just curious if you've heard of them and what your thoughts are on them.

[26:39] Kevin David Thomas: Okay.

[26:39] Robert W. Schneider: First of all, there's a show that it's on YouTube, folks, so you don't have to like do anything illegal for it. You can actually go on to YouTube. Folks, I need more information on this show. It's called "Halloween," and it's by Mitch Lee. It was out of town, I think in 1972, it had Barbara Cook in it and Dick Sean and Jose Ferrer, but I was doing some research on it, and I came across a quote in the something in the New York Times called "On the Rialto." Apparently this was a section back then, right?

[27:12] Kevin David Thomas: Mm-hmm.

[27:18] Robert W. Schneider: And so they came across this thing on the news on the Rialto about "Halloween" that was gonna come in, and this was actually the quote from the article, and I just have to read it to you, quote, "Actually, the musical Connie's from a straight play. Sorry, comes from a straight play Michaels wrote, but never saw produced called 'Salt Peter in the Rhubarb' and revolves around a love story in which Charlie vies with a young man named Liebowitz for the love of a beautiful girl. Liebowitz starts out as a homosexual and turns straight. Besides the three leads, this is, I'm quoting here, folks. Besides the three leads, four midgets will be needed. Nope, nope, nope, that nope quote, they are, says Michaels, quote, 'the little people of America,' end quote." So folks, what the fuck was "Halloween"? What the fuck was "Halloween"? Can somebody tell us, please, what "Halloween" was?

[28:15] Kevin David Thomas: As I understand it, it's like there's gotta be like an, they're vying for Barbara Cook's hand. That's also odd to me. And for her, she has to choose between Jose Ferrer and Dick Sean. Um, and Dick Sean apparently was a homosexual and now he's straight.

[28:32] Robert W. Schneider: Oh, okay.

[28:33] Kevin David Thomas: That's how it works.

[28:34] Robert W. Schneider: Oh yeah, so it looks like.

[28:35] Kevin David Thomas: Do you know what pure homosexuality? For little people.

[28:38] Robert W. Schneider: Well, I was gonna say Barbara Cook. So what do we type to get this? Because if I type "Halloween," I know I'm gonna get some other things.

[28:45] Kevin David Thomas: So what did you think?

[28:46] Robert W. Schneider: Because you sent this to our group chat, but I'm curious, like what I will, I will put it in the info description below as well. But you can type in "Halloween 1972, Barbara Cook," and this should come up for you. But I'll also put a link in the info description. So this is a show, Kevin, you're unfamiliar with as much as I'm unfamiliar with.

[29:01] Kevin David Thomas: Never, I, I am, it's rare that you will bring something and I will say I never even knew that Mitch Lee wrote a score to this.

[29:09] Kevin David Thomas: Has any idea. If anyone heard it or saw it, please let me know. Let us know because I am so curious about it.

[29:16] Robert W. Schneider: Okay, I have fallen in love with a demo of a musical that never got to Broadway. I am listening to it 24/7. It is fantastic.

[29:24] Kevin David Thomas: Okay.

[29:26] Robert W. Schneider: Oh god, I hope I'm not building it up too much. Oh my gosh, I'm excited. Arthur, the musical.

[29:33] Kevin David Thomas: Oh, the one that was done at Good Speed?

[29:33] Robert W. Schneider: Yes.

[29:35] Kevin David Thomas: With Greg Edelman?

[29:36] Robert W. Schneider: Yes, but this is the demo of it before it went to like Good Speed, and before it went to, I think Chicago, I think was it like Marriott Lincolnshire or something like that.

[29:46] Kevin David Thomas: Anyway, it's Harry Grohner and Liz Callaway, and they're the two leads on it.

[29:52] Robert W. Schneider: And folks, I think what makes this really unique? One, I love the movie Arthur. I think it's a very funny film, but it's um the people that wrote it were also the same people that wrote Friends. So David and Martha Kaufman. So, yes, the people from Friends did write a musical. And uh one of them was called Personal. The other one is called Arthur. And there is so much wonderful music in this, I cannot figure out like why this just did not take off. But I think it's a fantastic, fantastic demo. Do you have do you know anything about it?

[30:24] Kevin David Thomas: No, other than the song that I think I sang a song from it, like Walking on Sunshine or something like that at one of the 54 Below.

[30:30] Robert W. Schneider: Yeah, at a 54 Below thing. Oh no, wait, you did fun for me.

[30:33] Kevin David Thomas: Fun? Did you do fun?

[30:33] Robert W. Schneider: Fun, that's what it is. Sorry, there was a different thing. Walking on Sunshine, I think was the smile thing, the caravan. That's what it was.

[30:39] Kevin David Thomas: That's right.

[30:40] Robert W. Schneider: So, yes, I apologize. Uh so yeah, no, that's the only thing I know, really. But so is this also on YouTube, this this this Arthur of the Musical demo?

[30:49] Kevin David Thomas: It's not, but you know, you can always slide into a DM and um, or if you're one of our Patreon subscribers, I mean, it'd be wonderful to repay you in some way, shape, or form. Um, I also stumbled across because I've been doing a lot of like deep dives and digging. Um, I can't tell you how I got it, just know that I got it. Um, is the entire Ben Bagley collection?

[31:09] Robert W. Schneider: Digitally?

[31:14] Kevin David Thomas: Digitally. Somebody put um, so friends, if you don't remember, uh, Ben Bagley was a record producer. His company was called Painted Smiles, I think, right? Wasn't that the label?

[31:25] Robert W. Schneider: Oh, yeah.

[31:25] Kevin David Thomas: And he was, we've talked a lot about him over the years, and he was a bit of a um interesting fella.

[31:31] Robert W. Schneider: Yes, he was a fun guy.

[31:32] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah, quirky.

[31:34] Robert W. Schneider: Quirky. He and his cat would produce the albums, right? Wasn't that it?

[31:36] Kevin David Thomas: Cat's always got to mention, they always gotta mention in the in the bios in the back. Because the bios in the back of these albums are why they were so legendary, because they were so quirkily written, shall we say?

[31:46] Robert W. Schneider: And made up.

[31:48] Kevin David Thomas: Fully. I mean, made up.

[31:49] Robert W. Schneider: Yeah.

[31:49] Kevin David Thomas: Just like whatever he wanted to say, he said. Like Catherine Hepburn is on some of these albums, and in her bio, he said she was like her last movie was called like Love's Slave from Chile or something. Like some just something very, very stupid and silly that she would never have done. Very funny stuff. Anyway, his big claim to fame, though, was in the 70s, I think, and the 80s. He started producing records called um Ben Bagley revisited, and he would revisit a certain composer. So it would be Cole Porter revisited or Rogers and Hart revisited. And he would get celebrities and musical theater singers to sing really obscure songs by these composers. And some of this work is just fantastic. It was only on record. And when he passed away, he was working on putting them all on CD.

[32:35] Kevin David Thomas: And that never happened.

[32:36] Robert W. Schneider: No.

[32:36] Kevin David Thomas: But there's about 20 albums out there, folks. And now somebody was kind enough to put their record collection into a digital format. And they're wonderful. So if you've got any memories of any of the Ben Bagley stuff, please let us know. Um what else, Kev? I'm trying to think if there's anything else that's exciting that's coming up.

[32:54] Robert W. Schneider: I'm I just thought I'm gonna miss you.

[32:56] Kevin David Thomas: I know, I know I'm gonna miss, I'm gonna miss you too. I'm I'm trying to think I don't even know if any new shows that are coming. I know there's like I read an article just saying that there's you know, 10 new shows possibly coming to Broadway in the fall, but there's like 50 that want to, but it's just getting money and all of that stuff. But I like seeing that the gears are slowly starting to pick up steam, I think.

[33:15] Robert W. Schneider: You know, with very exciting. But it it is, we're getting there. And in the you know, of course, financially, everything trickles down to the creation of new art. I feel like later than it when when we've ground to a halt, you know, the industry essentially stopped. Everybody kept writing, of course, because that's what you can do, but there's not a lot of uh money to be made in workshops and productions right now for new things. It's more of theaters are trying to make up the money, you know, do a popular show to try to like make some money back. But I really look forward to the next year or two um and seeing what kind of new works are gonna come out because as a result of so many people being locked down, because right, gestation period for a new musical takes a couple years.

[33:49] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah.

[33:49] Robert W. Schneider: So if people have been writing during steadily during the pandemic, then let's see, let's see what we have. So I I'm I'm very, very excited to see what the future is gonna be for um musical theater in the next year or two.

[33:58] Kevin David Thomas: Me too.

[33:59] Robert W. Schneider: Me, me too. I mean, I think there's a lot of great you're right. There's but it's it's sort of it's a nice thing. It's like at the airport, like people are circling waiting for a free a free theater to open up.

[34:08] Kevin David Thomas: That's right.

[34:08] Robert W. Schneider: Theater money, all of that.

[34:09] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah.

[34:10] Robert W. Schneider: Which is nice because we haven't had that in a long time.

[34:13] Kevin David Thomas: That's right. I know I'm very excited about that. So you know, how many years have you know did you ever go by like a theater and like God, is this place why is this place still dark?

[34:20] Robert W. Schneider: Exactly. Or can another show go in there? Oh, did you see they're gonna they've some big news happened, uh, Broadway news over the summer. Uh James Earl Jones and Lena Horn are getting their own theaters.

[34:30] Kevin David Thomas: Uh about damn time.

[34:32] Robert W. Schneider: James Earl Jones is the court, and Lena Horn is the Brooks Atkinson.

[34:36] Kevin David Thomas: That's right. Mm-hmm.

[34:37] Robert W. Schneider: Yes. That's that feels right. That feels good. That feels real, real, real, real good. I would also love to have seen an Ethel Waters. I think Ethel Waters is really good too.

[34:46] Kevin David Thomas: Yep.

[34:47] Robert W. Schneider: I think an Ethel Waters would have been a real nice one. So folks add that next to your list. Also, can we just name the Majestic the Hal Prince? Why is it not the Hal Prince? What are we waiting for? He needs one. The Phantom of the Opera has been there for ages.

[35:01] Kevin David Thomas: Exactly.

[35:01] Robert W. Schneider: Ages. And I know, Kevin, we can rename the ambassador, the Walter Bobby for you.

[35:10] Kevin David Thomas: That's right.

[35:11] Robert W. Schneider: That's right. That's about the only theater it's gonna be. The Walter Bobby thinks it's the theater, and it really isn't.

[35:19] Kevin David Thomas: Um I'm kidding.

[35:23] Robert W. Schneider: That's a joke.

[35:25] Kevin David Thomas: That is a joke.

[35:26] Robert W. Schneider: Oh my god. That is a joke. Um we're going out with a bang, folks. Tell it like it is.

[35:33] Kevin David Thomas: As always.

[35:34] Robert W. Schneider: That's right, baby. That's right, baby. I also got um a bootleg of Madeline Kahn in Hello Dolly.

[35:40] Kevin David Thomas: Oh, well, that's interesting.

[35:42] Robert W. Schneider: Now, directed by our very good friend, Leroy Reams. Folks, we we are aware that we did not do an in-memorium last year. So we will do an in-memorium soon enough. We haven't done with with Leroy. We'll see who he remembers from 2021 passing. We'll still get some good stories, I have no doubt.

[35:59] Kevin David Thomas: Oh, absolutely. Folks, there are so many things he says that we have to cut out because I'm like, we can't we can't put this in someone's in memorial.

[36:08] Robert W. Schneider: No.

[36:09] Kevin David Thomas: I won't say who he was telling the story about, but we mentioned somebody who had passed once, and he said, Oh, I love he goes, I loved her. He goes, I didn't think I was gonna like her because she seemed a little too goody two shoes for me. But the first time I met her, we were walking down the street and she tapped me on the shoulder and she said, You see that alley over there? I gave my boyfriend a blowjob in that alley there. I was like, we can't put that in someone's memorial.

[36:32] Robert W. Schneider: Can't do that in the memorial. That's definitely gonna go on the cutting room floor. Good stuff. Cutting room floor, but it goes on the cutting room floor. Uh, folks, for a hundred dollar Patreon, we'll tell you who that person was with photos.

[36:44] Kevin David Thomas: Or just get Rob some of his demos and bootlegs that he's been looking for. Is there anything you're looking for, Kevin? Or should I just go to your cast albums wish list?

[36:52] Kevin David Thomas: No, I don't even do that. I have so much stuff to listen to here that I've I'm just I've never really looking. I'm always just excited to see whatever I have, I have. So I I don't have a I don't really have a wish list to be honest.

[37:02] Robert W. Schneider: Really? Is there something you've been listening to a lot lately? And please say Arthur the Musical.

[37:07] Kevin David Thomas: Nope.

[37:09] Robert W. Schneider: Uh Power Paw Patrol, right?

[37:11] Kevin David Thomas: No, I still I just still, when I have time, because I don't have a lot of time to listen to my by myself because I have this this child running around. Uh I do put on the Sounds Abroadway, Stu Brown Stu's Stu's channel. So which is a great resource. If you ever just don't know what to listen to, folks, and you just there's many streaming sites out there, so please don't get me wrong. I'm I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket. Um there's lots of musical theater radio, all that, but I love the Sounds Abroad because it's an app. I can just open it up on my phone. He's always he cuts in every like five or six songs and is like, and that was blah blah blah. So it feels very much like you know, old time radio. I kind of love it. So I love Stew stuff. Very eclectic mix too of stuff. He'll be playing like, you know, uh what's the Middle East uh the Oh Brother? He'll do like oh brother followed by My Fair Lady, you know.

[37:51] Robert W. Schneider: So it's really how I want to see it in a season.

[37:55] Kevin David Thomas: Yes, I think so. Starting with Oh Brother, which is what our box office people are saying when they're looking at the revenue.

[38:01] Robert W. Schneider: That's OPEC Maiden. I love that song.

[38:04] Kevin David Thomas: Yes. No, that I forgot OPEC Maiden, isn't it? Oh, there's so many cringy stuff, but it's such a good score.

[38:08] Robert W. Schneider: A loud and funny song is really great.

[38:10] Kevin David Thomas: Yep. Oh, my is it my brother? Uh-da-da-da. I'm like a glass of water.

[38:15] Robert W. Schneider: Yeah, what is it?

[38:18] Kevin David Thomas: How does that go?

[38:22] Robert W. Schneider: I too like my brother.

[38:23] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah, that's it. Yes, that's a good one. Um, and also I'm gonna leave you all with a hot take if I can.

[38:30] Robert W. Schneider: Do it.

[38:31] Kevin David Thomas: Um, I listened to the bootleg of Merlin.

[38:34] Robert W. Schneider: Oh, someone has to.

[38:35] Kevin David Thomas: Good. With uh Doug Henning and Cheetah Rivera and Mr. Nathan Lane.

[38:41] Robert W. Schneider: Uh-huh.

[38:41] Kevin David Thomas: Um, who once said, and I thought this was the funniest thing, he said Doug Henning's greatest magic trick was he could make a whole audience disappear. I was like, that's really funny.

[38:48] Robert W. Schneider: That's very funny, Mr. Lane. Thank you for making us laugh.

[38:54] Kevin David Thomas: Yes. Uh and congratulations on your Emmy win.

[38:56] Robert W. Schneider: That's right, Mr. Lane. Like he's fucking listening.

[38:59] Kevin David Thomas: I know. We had a great time with him, and he was actually that was probably one of the one of the interviews where I went into it a little nervous because I'd heard so many things and walked out of it thinking, this man is so passionate about theater.

[39:11] Robert W. Schneider: Yeah. Anyway. But Merlin.

[39:13] Kevin David Thomas: But and was in Merlin.

[39:14] Robert W. Schneider: He was in Merlin. The score to Merlin is pretty good.

[39:18] Kevin David Thomas: Okay.

[39:19] Robert W. Schneider: Oh god. I know I'm gonna get feedback for that. It was Elmer, but listen to this. It was Elmer Bernstein writing the music.

[39:26] Kevin David Thomas: Right.

[39:27] Robert W. Schneider: And no, no hack. I mean, my goodness, no. The movie scores. I mean, this man is a phenomenal composer. But the first few numbers actually I really liked.

[39:36] Kevin David Thomas: Okay, I'm gonna revisit.

[39:37] Robert W. Schneider: Yeah, so I don't know, folks. Maybe maybe it was just me. Maybe I was not feeling well, but I didn't think it was. I was expecting something like atrocious to hear on the score. And I don't think I do not think that at all.

[39:45] Kevin David Thomas: Do not think that at all.

[39:49] Robert W. Schneider: Okay. Yeah. Okay.

[39:50] Kevin David Thomas: Thanks for for check out Merlin.

[39:52] Robert W. Schneider: Yeah, check out. It's about magic. It's about wonder. Right? George Leandro on the Tony Awards. And then Doug Henning comes out. Don't you love it? Surprise. Man can't sing. Doesn't know what the hell's happening. But he looks happy to be there.

[40:09] Kevin David Thomas: He Oh, I also found a bootleg of Robert Goulet in Lakage.

[40:14] Robert W. Schneider: Audio.

[40:15] Kevin David Thomas: I'm sorry. The from like recent the column recent in quotes. I mean like 15 years ago. Recent one. I mean, the one with George George, my favorite um George Gary Beach.

[40:20] Robert W. Schneider: George Gary Beach.

[40:25] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah. Of course, George. Oh boy. I know.

[40:27] Robert W. Schneider: Yeah.

[40:28] Kevin David Thomas: But uh, I listened to it. He's he's I've my memory is right. He is still he was a fabulous singer. The man cra I was just listening to one of his other The Happy Time! I was listening to the Happy Time. And the man could phrase music like no other. And I know we joke about it, and I know that when I listened to his couple of his albums in the 60s, the I mean, if you're conducting along and one, two, three, four, I mean, the beat is gone to five measures away, and there's Goulet trying to catch up to it. Fine. I love it. Gonna take my time. Yeah, then I'm gonna get there. But it's it works for me.

[41:04] Robert W. Schneider: It totally no one can sing a song and craft a lyric the way he can, and it's it's great.

[41:09] Kevin David Thomas: Thank you, Kev. I appreciate the game words. Much appreciated, Belle.

[41:15] Robert W. Schneider: Me amigo.

[41:16] Kevin David Thomas: Can I say that still?

[41:17] Robert W. Schneider: Okay. Sorry, sorry. My amigo.

[41:21] Kevin David Thomas: There you go.

[41:21] Robert W. Schneider: Uh much better now.

[41:23] Kevin David Thomas: Much better. Very good, Bob. Thank you, Kevin. Uh, I was up for Halloween with uh Barbara Cook and she wouldn't want to work with me.

[41:31] Robert W. Schneider: So why not?

[41:32] Kevin David Thomas: Oh well, I did a trick or treat, and uh it involved me just pushing her down a flat of stairs. And I said trick Barbara. I got my walking papers, and uh after six weeks in the hospital, she could walk too.

[41:46] Robert W. Schneider: All right, Bob. Thanks for that. Back to heaven.

[41:51] Kevin David Thomas: Take me away. Well, folks, there you have it. I got it. You've gotten all the good stuff that you missed. So you can uh and if you want to thank anyone for this episode, make sure to thank uh uh the great Hal Linden.

[42:08] Robert W. Schneider: Do it to it. Say it. Who stood us up?

[42:10] Kevin David Thomas: Yep, we were supposed to interview Hal, and now we're just talking instead. So there you go, folks.

[42:16] Robert W. Schneider: Oh my gosh. Oh boy. Well, we hope all of you are well. We hope all of you are happy and living well and seeing good theater and consuming everything and your lives are all going well. And uh we miss you and we'll uh we'll be back soon.

[42:27] Kevin David Thomas: Yes, we will be back quite, quite, quite soon. Uh it was so good to talk to everybody. Once again, if you're in uh the Vermont, the Vermont, no, the New Hampshire area.

[42:36] Robert W. Schneider: In Vermont.

[42:37] Kevin David Thomas: Yep. In Vermont.

[42:37] Robert W. Schneider: Oh, is it it's in Vermont? It's right on the border. So Hanover's on one side of the border, and then White River Junction's on the other side of the border. So it's sort of like the area's called the Upper Valley. So if you're just up in that area, say hello to me. Come say hi.

[42:47] Kevin David Thomas: Yes, go see this wonderful man. And then I'll be doing the Adams family in New York in November. Um, so if you're in the city, and also once again, we say this and we really we really mean it. Please, if you're in the city and want to see us, or now you're in Kevin's new location, please uh email us, uh, tweet us, Instagram us. We love seeing all of our wonderful listeners, and it was so nice to to to see everybody or hear everybody, or just acknowledge everyone's presence.

[43:13] Robert W. Schneider: That's right. And here comes Hal Linden. Um, I'm kidding. I just he's he Charles Kirsh signed him to an exclusive.

[43:22] Kevin David Thomas: Stop it.

[43:23] Robert W. Schneider: Stop it.

[43:25] Kevin David Thomas: Charles was like, I'll break your kneecaps.

[43:27] Robert W. Schneider: He's mine first, he's mine first. You get my table scraps.

[43:30] Kevin David Thomas: He was such a nice kid, wasn't he?

[43:34] Robert W. Schneider: Oh, yeah, yeah. What happened to him?

[43:37] Kevin David Thomas: God and and Charles uh podcast to plug that we love so much, uh, is called uh Backstage Battle.

[43:44] Robert W. Schneider: There you go.

[43:45] Kevin David Thomas: And so go check out Charles because you can listen to all of some of the people we've interviewed, but also some other people that Charles has done such beautiful, beautiful work over the years as well. So yeah, you'll hear a different perspective, you know, seeing as he's literally one quarter of our age.

[43:58] Robert W. Schneider: No, I'm kidding, he's half our age.

[44:00] Kevin David Thomas: Yeah, but now he's taller than us.

[44:01] Robert W. Schneider: You know, he had a gross because he's teenager, you have a gross. I can't believe it. The man's taller than all of us. He's growing up so fast. We asked him for J2. We were like, Can you give us some like titles of shows that you think might work there? There were shows I was Googling. I was like, what the hell is this one? So something more. I think something more was on there. I remember got to go disco was on there. So I was like, Yeah. It's like good for you, people. Keeping it alive. Thanks, Charles. Keeping it alive. God love you. All right, all right, folks. We will talk to you soon. Take care of yourselves.