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[0:04] Bryan Plovsky: Did you bring wine?

[0:05] Kevin Jaeger: I got the glasses.

[0:06] Kimberly Cooper: Hey guys, I made a quiz.

[0:08] Unknown speaker: I didn't bring anything, but I hear it's a bug.

[0:20] Bryan Plovsky: Hello and welcome to the official Broadwaysted podcast where we're drunk on theater. I'm your host, Bryan Plovsky.

[0:24] Kimberly Cooper: And if you're evil like me, you poor unfortunate souls, I'm your girl.

[0:30] Unknown speaker: Did I mention if you believe that the night is young, set it off?

[0:34] Bryan Plovsky: Good is the new bad, but when night falls with one kiss and we break this down, we'll dig a little deeper.

[0:41] Unknown speaker: Kiss the girl, because my once upon a time is the space between you and me.

[0:45] Bryan Plovsky: But only if it's going down, just be our guest.

[0:50] Unknown speaker: There are other ways to be wicked.

[0:52] Bryan Plovsky: So what's my name? Joining us today are the usual rotten to the core chilling villains, including Kevin.

[0:59] Kevin Jaeger: Do what you gotta do, Jaeger.

[1:01] Kevin Jaeger: And I always do, baby. I always do.

[1:03] Bryan Plovsky: Kimberly, our queen of mean game master and unofficial babysitter for the hour.

[1:08] Kimberly Cooper: Very mean.

[1:08] Bryan Plovsky: And Kimberly, your hair looks super fierce.

[1:11] Kimberly Cooper: Thank you. It's the lighting.

[1:13] Unknown speaker: Yeah.

[1:14] Unknown speaker: Your new lighting.

[1:15] Unknown speaker: Your new lighting.

[1:16] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, no. Um my new lighting in my parents' house.

[1:20] Unknown speaker: Yes.

[1:21] Bryan Plovsky: And uh with us today are our usual evil movie lovers who have been on Broadway a lot. I'm not even naming their credits anymore.

[1:26] Unknown speaker: Yeah.

[1:30] Bryan Plovsky: Um, let's give a big Broadwaysted welcome to friends of the show. Or no, additional Friday hosts.

[1:58] Hayley Podschun: Y'all ready for this?

[1:59] Unknown speaker: Welcome.

[2:04] Unknown speaker: K-I-D-I-C-U-L-U-O-U-S.

[2:09] Unknown speaker: That's not the name of the song.

[2:10] Unknown speaker: Is it not?

[2:11] Unknown speaker: No, it's not.

[2:13] Unknown speaker: The name of the song by written by Adam Schlesinger, and the first one is not called ridiculous.

[2:18] Unknown speaker: It's um what's it called? R I D I C U L U O U S.

[2:24] Unknown speaker: It's called uh Did I Mention?

[2:28] Unknown speaker: Oh, did I mention?

[2:30] Unknown speaker: Yeah, it's called Did I Mention? Written by Adam Schlesinger of You know why? They're probably doing the Dance 10 looks three thing where they don't want you to know what the real song is about.

[2:43] Unknown speaker: Oh yeah, that's it.

[2:45] Unknown speaker: That's totally it. But uh on that note, uh we did watch all three and a half Descendants uh made for TV movies on Disney Channel. Aaron is so happy, and that's uh that's what we're talking about today.

[3:02] Bryan Plovsky: But before we even start talking about those, what are you drinking? What are you drinking?

[3:08] Kimberly Cooper: Um also where are you? Yeah, start with Kimberly. Kimberly, what are you drinking and where are you?

[3:16] Kimberly Cooper: You know, they coincide. I'm drinking a Pinot Grigio from my mother's refrigerator because I have made the move to Philadelphia for the time being.

[3:27] Unknown speaker: Nice, sweet cool.

[3:30] Bryan Plovsky: Uh Hayley, where are you? And what are you drinking?

[3:33] Hayley Podschun: I escaped to my parents' winter home in Margaritaville.

[3:38] Unknown speaker: What?

[3:39] Hayley Podschun: This is Hayley live from Margaritaville. Um, yeah, here's the pool view for you that can see out here.

[3:47] Unknown speaker: What?

[3:48] Unknown speaker: It's blurry.

[3:49] Unknown speaker: We can't see.

[3:49] Hayley Podschun: It's blurry.

[3:52] Hayley Podschun: You'll have to get on Patreon, Patreon, however you say it. I don't know how to say it.

[3:58] Unknown speaker: Patreon Prayer.

[4:00] Unknown speaker: Patreon.

[4:01] Unknown speaker: Patrone.

[4:02] Hayley Podschun: And I bought this at Target because I haven't been to Target forever. And I was like, Kimberly and I are great lovers of Palomas. Look at these. It's a Paloma cocktail in a can and it's everything you've ever dreamed of.

[4:16] Unknown speaker: Oh wow.

[4:18] Unknown speaker: So good.

[4:19] Unknown speaker: Nice.

[4:22] Unknown speaker: Oh, go ahead. You're at the same place, but what are you drinking?

[4:25] Aaron J Albano: Uh yeah, I'm in my studio apartment in Manhattan. And I am having a fancy evening because I've been craving a margarita forever, but I've just been drinking lots of wine. So I made a margarita with Tanteo Jalapeno tequila.

[4:40] Unknown speaker: Oh, you bought Tanteo?

[4:42] Aaron J Albano: I learned all the tequilas, and I was like, what do I want? I was like, I want a spicy tequila, it's good. And I was like, girl, I'm getting Tanteo.

[4:49] Unknown speaker: So I just Tanteo.

[4:51] Unknown speaker: That's awesome.

[4:51] Unknown speaker: And you're losing sleeves.

[4:54] Aaron J Albano: I am. I gained a shirt but lost the sleeves.

[4:57] Unknown speaker: Yes, back to the stage.

[4:59] Unknown speaker: Woo-hoo! Honestly, that this is the Kevin Action figure I would purchase.

[5:03] Unknown speaker: The tank top.

[5:04] Unknown speaker: Me too.

[5:05] Unknown speaker: Immediately.

[5:07] Unknown speaker: It's adorable.

[5:09] Unknown speaker: Erin, you're still in Canada?

[5:10] Aaron J Albano: I'm still in Canada, still in my one bedroom in Toronto, Canada.

[5:13] Unknown speaker: Cool.

[5:14] Aaron J Albano: I'm drinking a Carmen Carmenier.

[5:17] Unknown speaker: Oh my Miranda.

[5:20] Unknown speaker: Carmen Miranda wine.

[5:24] Aaron J Albano: Yep. Cheers.

[5:26] Unknown speaker: Cheers, guys.

[5:27] Unknown speaker: Wait, I'm drinking Milagro. What are you drinking?

[5:29] Unknown speaker: Milagro.

[5:31] Unknown speaker: With uh with um seltzer. I'm gonna be a liquor store. My mother, cheers.

[5:36] Unknown speaker: Cheers.

[5:36] Unknown speaker: And there was a giant milagro. Like big whole face.

[5:43] Unknown speaker: We didn't buy it.

[5:44] Unknown speaker: In the oh.

[5:46] Unknown speaker: That's okay. The liquor stores in Pennsylvania are closed. So when you drive from New York to Pennsylvania, my mom was like, we are stopping at a liquor store.

[5:54] Unknown speaker: Sure.

[5:54] Unknown speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[5:55] Unknown speaker: Whenever I have a margarita that's not at a bar, I usually just like skimp out and just buy tequila and margarita mix.

[6:02] Unknown speaker: When I buy like the pre-made, like in a bottle, it's like just put on ice and drink.

[6:07] Unknown speaker: Yeah.

[6:08] Unknown speaker: But this time I actually bought like the Tanteo Jalapeno, Quantro, and lime. I bought organic lime juice.

[6:15] Unknown speaker: Ooh.

[6:16] Unknown speaker: So like this is the best margarita I've ever made at home in my entire life. And it's the jalapeno tequila, which in my opinion is the greatest. And then if you can add jalapenos into your drink, like I was like, I'm not gonna wait in the grocery store line just for jalapenos.

[6:33] Unknown speaker: I know.

[6:35] Unknown speaker: Understood. Um, so let's uh let's get into these. Uh this was on the suggestion of Aaron and uh seconded by um Kevin.

[6:45] Unknown speaker: Yeah um and uh so let's get into these. We're gonna start with the this they were all in Disney Plus. We're gonna start with the Descendants.

[6:50] Unknown speaker: Um, the 2015 film. Um, this was directed by the wonderful and knows this genre really well. Kenny originally well genre.

[7:04] Unknown speaker: Yeah. When his name popped up at the end, I was like, that's why the dance numbers were so fun.

[7:10] Unknown speaker: It's like, of course it was. Yeah, of course we'll we'll talk about kind of his style a little bit more as we get into all these.

[7:18] Unknown speaker: Um, but again, um this stars Dove Cameron, Ubu Stewart, Sophia Carson, and then we'll get into the uh the their mothers and stuff like that. But we do just want to start off with we're not really gonna get into any of it, but we do know and understand and feel terrible that Cameron Boyce is no longer with us.

[7:37] Unknown speaker: Um so um we just wanted to recognize that up front.

[7:40] Unknown speaker: So um we do a cheers for Cameron Boyce, yeah, cheers.

[7:43] Unknown speaker: I did family. Um cheers.

[7:45] Unknown speaker: So good. Yeah, he's really good.

[7:49] Unknown speaker: I didn't know what happened. I'm I'm just a little too old for any of this. So I was not aware of what had happened.

[7:57] Unknown speaker: And I'm watching it and I'm like, it is really good. And then I think it was it might have been towards the end of the first one or the beginning of the second one. I was like, oh my god, and it just broke my heart.

[8:09] Unknown speaker: So I was like, he's amazing, and he's he's fantastic, he's really like really pops out. He I could not keep my eyes off of him.

[8:16] Unknown speaker: So just for I just wanted to bring that up up front so that it's not hanging over it while we talk about him the whole time. I just want us to be free to talk about it anyway.

[8:24] Unknown speaker: Um, but let's get into this first one. Okay, raise your hand and I'll call out your name. Who has seen let's talk of it overall? Who had seen all three of these, who had seen only one of them, who had seen none of them?

[8:37] Unknown speaker: All right, Kevin.

[8:39] Kevin Jaeger: So when like the high school musical craze happened, my little sister and I were in college together at Florida State. Um, I was well, the first one I was in college, and she was still home in high school, and she and I loved Disney Channel. We used to watch all this like awesomely bad entertainment together.

[8:55] Kevin Jaeger: So the night that high school musical premiered, I sat in my dorm room with Mo's. I ordered Mo's to go, and then like sat there and was on the phone with my sister at every commercial talking through it. So, like, we had like a like kind of like a cute little like thing that we always watch these kind of movies together.

[9:10] Unknown speaker: Nice.

[9:11] Kevin Jaeger: A year or so ago, my sister texted me and she was like, 'cause she lives in Florida with her husband and her son, and she was like, uh, my husband and my son are going to see his parents. I'm home alone. Do you want to have like a virtual movie night? So we did kind of what Aaron's been doing with the up, like the Pixar movies. At a specific time, we were gonna start the Descendants, and then we just texted the entire time while we watched it.

[9:37] Kevin Jaeger: And so I've seen the first one, like, and it's the it actually like brings up a lot of like nostalgic feelings of like spending time with my sister virtually and movie. So I'd seen the first one before, but not the not the second two.

[9:50] Unknown speaker: Correct.

[9:50] Kevin Jaeger: I had not seen we had we actually had a plan this weekend to watch the second one, and I was like, girl, I'm watching them from Broadway, so we gotta watch.

[9:59] Unknown speaker: Um and Aaron, you have seen all three of these.

[10:04] Aaron J Albano: I had not, I had seen the first two.

[10:06] Unknown speaker: Okay.

[10:06] Aaron J Albano: I had seen the so I'd seen I had seen the first two before this, and I was inebriated for both. So I didn't remember anything about any of them.

[10:17] Aaron J Albano: But I remember watching the first one being like seeing the commercials on Disney Channel, being like, This looks rich. Okay, let's watch it. I watched it, I think, by myself, inebriated, and it was so like fent at the time, because I hadn't watched it any other way, other than with beverage.

[10:38] Aaron J Albano: I was like, This is so rich, I can't even. And then two years later, when Descendants 2 came out, my friend Colin and my friend Emily and I all were like, Descendants 2's coming out, let's have a movie night, get wasted and dr and watch, and so we watched that together.

[10:55] Unknown speaker: Yes, gagging and screaming and living our lives.

[10:59] Aaron J Albano: Like again, about how rich it was. Yeah. And then Descendants 3 happened last year, right?

[11:07] Unknown speaker: Yes, August 2019.

[11:09] Aaron J Albano: So I had like this like ongoing text with them being like, Y'all, we need to watch the Zends 3. We need to watch Descendants 3. None of us are in the same city because I think Emily was on tour with Saigon. I was on tour with Hamilton, Colin's in New York. So all of us were like, all right, we need to figure out how we're gonna watch this. We never got around to it.

[11:29] Unknown speaker: And the reason I wanted to do this for Broadwaysted was I was like, this is unfinished for me. I need to watch movies.

[11:37] Unknown speaker: You selfishly needed it.

[11:40] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, I selfishly needed it. And I was like, all right, let's watch the first two again. Because I don't remember. I couldn't, I couldn't tell you what they were about the next day, let alone like three years later.

[11:50] Unknown speaker: Right, right, right.

[11:51] Unknown speaker: So I was like, let's just go.

[11:52] Unknown speaker: That's most days nowadays.

[11:54] Kimberly Cooper: Um Kimberly, had you ever seen any of these?

[11:58] Kimberly Cooper: Not a second.

[12:00] Unknown speaker: Do the kids do the kids that you work with talk about these? Is this like a popular thing amongst them?

[12:05] Kimberly Cooper: Okay, cool.

[12:06] Unknown speaker: Um Hayley, any any background in these?

[12:10] Hayley Podschun: Um, yes. So I babysit a lot, and luckily I love Disney stuff, so anytime the kids want to watch Disney, I'm like, yeah, bring it on, or like sing to a Disney song. So I'm like that.

[12:20] Unknown speaker: Oh, yeah. Bring it on is not a Disney.

[12:22] Hayley Podschun: Oh, Rebber right. Sorry.

[12:25] Unknown speaker: It's just so happy.

[12:27] Unknown speaker: Um Kevin, you have a killer instinct for that stuff.

[12:32] Kevin Jaeger: I do. But speaking of Elijah Dushku, um we talked about this in our group chat. Um so uh one of the kids that I babysit for, I was over there one night, and they're like, Can we watch Descendants? And I'm like, Yes, please, because everyone talks about it and I don't know what it is.

[12:52] Kevin Jaeger: So she started Descendants One, and this like rotten to the core song, or no, sorry, we were watching the um animated short versions of it that are however long those episodes are like five minutes.

[13:07] Unknown speaker: Yeah, those are called uh Descendants Wicked World.

[13:11] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, it's like a two season series. Yeah, it's it's weird. So that song Wicked World or whatever comes up rotten to the core, I don't know what it's called, and it starts playing, and I'm like, Well, this song is terrible, and then she's like, Can we watch the movie? And I'm like, Yes, I would love to, because I need to know of this stuff for my kids, and um we start watching it.

[13:32] Kevin Jaeger: I was like, oh my god, this is that song, but then of course she can't watch the whole thing, like she's gotta be like, Oh, let's go to this part, and let's fully, I've only seen like maybe five minutes of it, and it was only the first like 20 minutes of the movie that I've seen trunkets of five minutes of and then the rest of them I've never seen.

[13:53] Unknown speaker: So now we've all seen all of them, yeah.

[13:56] Unknown speaker: And you seen any of them.

[13:58] Unknown speaker: Yeah, had you seen it?

[13:59] Unknown speaker: Oh no, I hadn't seen any of these, and I'll be very oh no, I'll be very honest. I was not looking forward to watching these.

[14:08] Unknown speaker: I imagined something uh I was I imagined something, I just feared the worst of high school musical too.

[14:17] Unknown speaker: Like that's what I fear. I feared like high school musical is super fun. High school musical too is is borderline unwatchable, and they bring it back with three, three is fun. But I was so worried that these were and and as they were explained to me.

[14:31] Unknown speaker: Um I'll find Kevin's texts of explanation of these, but it's basically like high school musical meets return of Jafar as performed by Bratz.

[14:40] Unknown speaker: So nothing you'd ever want to watch ever.

[14:43] Unknown speaker: No.

[14:43] Unknown speaker: And let me tell you, I love these movies.

[14:47] Unknown speaker: I had so much fun watching them.

[14:51] Aaron J Albano: You all put you all four of you in text. I was I think I was the last one to like get started on them this weekend. Um but the four of you set my expectations perfectly in terms of how to watch these. Um similarly to like the way that we talked about Sweeney Todd being like watched as a Tim Burton movie, not a Sandham adaptation. Um I took these and was more like, hey, like I'm gonna turn my brain off and like watch them like I'm watching High School Musical, the first one for the first time. And boy, oh boy, did I have it was they were so we'll talk about the second one, um but like one in three as especially really like I was so happy to turn on them.

[15:35] Aaron J Albano: And like I would totally re-watch one in the background just for fun. They're just like they're so clever, all of clever.

[15:42] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I think I think as as like real movies, I mean, we'll see. But as like Disney Channel original movies, oh yeah, I think they're fantastic.

[15:55] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, I just I should have watched them more like that. I first started watching them as like real movies, which I'm like, what the heck? I should never do that. And then um, I think halfway through the first one, I was like, oh, I understand. This is where a commercial break normally goes.

[16:11] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[16:11] Aaron J Albano: So I was like, this is not for us. This is for handy if you just change your brain into thinking about how you have to watch it.

[16:20] Hayley Podschun: A lot of the people in this, where do I know this person from? Like Belle. Bell is in the TV show Magicians for like Bell's and everything. Bell's so much.

[16:30] Aaron J Albano: Um and even just like even just like people like Dove Cameron, like, like I know who she is, but having never seen us, I just have to remind myself like what else she has actually done.

[16:41] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[16:43] Hayley Podschun: I feel like I know everything else she's done except Descendants.

[16:46] Aaron J Albano: Wait, what else? What did you say, Kimberly?

[16:49] Kimberly Cooper: I said, guess how many Instagram followers she has?

[16:52] Hayley Podschun: Oh, I saw like 35 million.

[16:54] Kimberly Cooper: 35 million. And she also doesn't look like herself in all those photos, but we'll get to Instagram as well.

[17:02] Aaron J Albano: Um like Boo Boo Stewart is in like the second season of Westworld.

[17:07] Kevin Jaeger: Like wait, yeah, isn't he also in Twilight?

[17:10] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, he's in Twilight.

[17:13] Kevin Jaeger: Say again?

[17:13] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, he's the son of Jafar.

[17:14] Kimberly Cooper: Okay, Jay.

[17:15] Aaron J Albano: His name is Jay.

[17:16] Kimberly Cooper: Jay.

[17:17] Aaron J Albano: Jay could get it.

[17:20] Hayley Podschun: Is that bad? Are they 12? Is that okay to say?

[17:23] Kevin Jaeger: No, I think they're probably old enough.

[17:25] Aaron J Albano: I thought they were old enough.

[17:27] Kevin Jaeger: Now they are probably old enough.

[17:28] Aaron J Albano: Yeah. Descendants one, they probably were not going to be able to do that.

[17:31] Kimberly Cooper: Because they're supposed to be 16 in the first one.

[17:33] Aaron J Albano: My Descendants three. I was like, Jay could get it. Which Disney has like entire age appropriate like kids, so they probably were 15.

[17:43] Hayley Podschun: Well, here's a so let's get into this. You know, one. Let's let's dig into this digit this iPad story.

[17:49] Aaron J Albano: Um iPad. Did who else was it? Was that the moment that anyone else was like, wow, this is just not for my generation?

[18:00] Kevin Jaeger: Well, that was the first that was the movie.

[18:02] Aaron J Albano: That was the what? That was the second.

[18:06] Kevin Jaeger: That was the moment where I was like, Oh, I know what kind of movie this is gonna be.

[18:11] Aaron J Albano: Yes, that actually set my expectations the best.

[18:13] Kimberly Cooper: Which part at the very beginning when the book opens and it's an iPad?

[18:17] Aaron J Albano: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I truly I missed it. I think I was you know, moving my tray table or my coffee table closer to me so I could reach for like my chips.

[18:27] Hayley Podschun: Like, I don't know. You could also tell, and we'll talk about this later, but you can also tell that more care and effort went into the first one because the second and third one don't have the same flourishes that the first one has.

[18:40] Kevin Jaeger: They disagree.

[18:43] Kimberly Cooper: Wait, say say that again, Kimberly.

[18:46] Kevin Jaeger: They don't have the same budget, clearly.

[18:48] Aaron J Albano: Oh my god, we'll talk about budget too. More care in the first one and more budget in the second.

[18:55] Hayley Podschun: Oh yes, like no. No, I disagree.

[18:58] Kevin Jaeger: I'm a Kimberly.

[19:02] Aaron J Albano: The second movie feels like the first one feels like it was done on some weird on location. The second one feels like a sound stage 100% of the time, and all of the money went into the dragon at the end of the second one. I'm 100% sure.

[19:16] Hayley Podschun: But the third maybe we should do we should we should hit that one? Let's let's take a step back.

[19:20] Kevin Jaeger: Wow. This is we may be divided. We may never do another one of these again.

[19:24] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, but we're done.

[19:28] Kimberly Cooper: Um so let's talk about the first one. Who who just wants to start with their list thoughts?

[19:33] Hayley Podschun: Um I can put your mind and talk.

[19:35] Aaron J Albano: You go first. My notes for the first one are candy from a baby is too much, but I love it. Over choreographed, why is he eating white berries with white pants and lying down? Um and my biggest note from the first one is something that I've noticed about all um Disney Channel movies, almost all of them that I've seen at least. I'm specifically talking about High School Musical. Every all of the parents and the expectations the parents set on what the world should be are the real monsters of these stories.

[20:08] Hayley Podschun: Like every and I'm not even talking about the villains, the good, the autobomb parents. I've been calling uh there's the world autobomb.

[20:19] Aaron J Albano: When when they go to Autobahn, so when they're Aubompan parents, yeah, so when they go to the Autobahn, like all those, and it gets worse in the second and third ones, but like the parents are the real monsters.

[20:32] Kevin Jaeger: The villains are the villains, but the pay the good parents are monsters.

[20:36] Aaron J Albano: The way that they set the expectations for their children, the way that they talk about things, and I feel like they never maybe in the third one they get into it a little bit, but not as deep as we want them to go. But like I'm just like, I'm always very upset by Disney Channel parents.

[20:51] Kimberly Cooper: That includes Troy Bolton's father, who I think is the antagonist of the entire franchise.

[20:58] Aaron J Albano: But um can we talk about how wait Kevin? What'd you say?

[21:03] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, sorry, go.

[21:04] Aaron J Albano: I just said Troy's Troy's father is a monster.

[21:06] Kevin Jaeger: Yes, yes.

[21:08] Aaron J Albano: But like that, like, can we talk about how the whole premise of the first movie is that we are having a coronation for Ben at Max 16?

[21:21] Kimberly Cooper: So it is his father is Max 40.

[21:26] Aaron J Albano: Um, like you mean his daddy is retiring at max 36. Doesn't make sense.

[21:37] Kevin Jaeger: What are you gonna do instead?

[21:38] Kimberly Cooper: That was Kimberley's like number one question. Like, why is she yeah?

[21:43] Aaron J Albano: Why is he king so young?

[21:47] Hayley Podschun: Also, is there an answer?

[21:49] Aaron J Albano: No. Why do we think that Beauty and the Beasts got to be the kings of the whole fairy tale land?

[21:54] Kevin Jaeger: Another great question.

[21:57] Aaron J Albano: So, in a comic book I read called Fables, which does something similar. I love Beauty and the Beast actually are also the king and queen there, too.

[22:06] Hayley Podschun: I don't know why.

[22:08] Aaron J Albano: This is I don't know. Do we like that movie better? Is that like a thing? Are they more interesting?

[22:14] Kimberly Cooper: I was trying to think of who else would be in that category that we would give.

[22:24] Kevin Jaeger: I mean, but I guess I guess he is royal. If you're thinking about like Disney royalty, like, yes, the beast is a prince, but like if Cinderella and Prince Charming is another one.

[22:36] Aaron J Albano: The Disney Royal line should be from the first movie on.

[22:40] Kimberly Cooper: So then it should be Snow White and Prince.

[22:42] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[22:43] Aaron J Albano: Well, so it's talking about it right now. I'm wondering if it's because that pairing is the only movie that we are invested in both of them.

[22:52] Hayley Podschun: Like, I don't know Prince Charming.

[22:54] Aaron J Albano: I don't know Prince Fellow.

[22:55] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, it's also characters.

[22:58] Aaron J Albano: Those are that's the only two, that's the only couple that I am equally invested in the beast as I am with in the I would think that this also probably plays into the idea of who the audience for these movies actually is.

[23:11] Hayley Podschun: Oh their original idea of like Disney as a young kid is probably Beauty and the Beast.

[23:19] Aaron J Albano: And honestly, Bell and Beast are way more 92, like layers.

[23:25] Kevin Jaeger: They weren't even conceived then, Kevin.

[23:27] Aaron J Albano: Right, exactly. That's what I mean. So like the audience for this was meant for the youngest movie, like when they were young, probably the movie they saw was Beauty and the Beast.

[23:36] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, yeah.

[23:39] Aaron J Albano: Well, now that we solve that.

[23:41] Hayley Podschun: Um let's use Simba Nala and just make some weird lions walking around like that.

[23:48] Kevin Jaeger: I mean, I wouldn't put it past them for Dcoms.

[23:51] Aaron J Albano: I know, right? DComs D comms.

[23:54] Hayley Podschun: What um D comms is Disney Channel original movie.

[23:57] Aaron J Albano: Yes, great. That's that's been penned by Aaron J Albano.

[24:00] Hayley Podschun: So uh put a little trademark.

[24:03] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, when you guys uh tweet and like Patreon us about this, just put like TM after it because Aaron straight from that.

[24:10] Kimberly Cooper: So let's talk about the characters and how we felt about them.

[24:14] Aaron J Albano: Let's start and how unoriginal their parents were in naming them.

[24:18] Hayley Podschun: Um at least Evie's a little bit creative.

[24:26] Aaron J Albano: Um evil, yeah. I mean, it's not just so let's let's start with Mal.

[24:32] Kimberly Cooper: Great.

[24:33] Aaron J Albano: Sure. I would say that Carlos is a good name.

[24:45] Hayley Podschun: They're all kind of rough.

[24:46] Aaron J Albano: Let's quote of the whole podcast. I think that like up Cameron is perfect because she looks like a literal like brat stall.

[24:56] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[24:57] Aaron J Albano: She actually looks like a brat stall, like her face shape and everything. It's also fun watching these movies knowing that her new boyfriend is the guy that plays the son of Hook.

[25:08] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[25:09] Aaron J Albano: It's fun to like play that in your head while you're watching their scenes and be like, oh she loves him.

[25:14] Kevin Jaeger: Well we're talking about the first one, Kevin.

[25:16] Aaron J Albano: Yes. But but in the first one, I would say like I think her character is great because she's, I mean, they give her the most motivation, and I think she really they flesh it out really well.

[25:26] Hayley Podschun: Thank you, really.

[25:29] Aaron J Albano: I will say, I think for what this is, the acting is better than it should be on for everybody.

[25:36] Kevin Jaeger: I agree with that.

[25:37] Aaron J Albano: Yeah. Uh I just I'm talking first one.

[25:41] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, my first note for the first movie was acting.

[25:45] Aaron J Albano: Hmm.

[25:47] Hayley Podschun: Oh, I think it's fine for what they're doing.

[25:50] Aaron J Albano: My first note for the first movie is an entire ballad before she realizes he's drowning.

[26:03] Hayley Podschun: That was that ballad is so over your over-choreographed that I live for it.

[26:13] Aaron J Albano: The way she hits every single accent in that song. That is Kenny Ortega saying I also have a question for the women in this in this group.

[26:22] Hayley Podschun: Oh, yeah.

[26:23] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, yeah. Is it a really sexy thing for women to point straight up? Because that was like his go-to for like a sexy moment for girls, was for them to just be like, oh, it's straight up.

[26:38] Hayley Podschun: And it goes throughout all three movies.

[26:41] Aaron J Albano: Watch any good pop star and they'll go like this.

[26:45] Hayley Podschun: You know that Celine Dion gif where she goes like this and lightning strikes.

[26:50] Aaron J Albano: Yes.

[26:51] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, it's a pop star thing.

[26:52] Aaron J Albano: Is that what that came from? Because I wondered why it kept happening.

[26:58] Hayley Podschun: Like, like in every song that the girls all sing, they're like women's empowerment is shown by holding an object straight up over your head.

[27:07] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, I got it.

[27:10] Hayley Podschun: I mean, I think I think if a guy did that, you wouldn't notice it as much.

[27:15] Aaron J Albano: But because a girl does it, you're like, what is she doing?

[27:18] Hayley Podschun: And I think it's less about, I mean, it has a lot to do with like the pointing up and whatnot, but I you also have to look at the way the rest of the body is positioned and what lines they're accentuating.

[27:28] Aaron J Albano: Yes.

[27:29] Hayley Podschun: And like, and like how one knee is bent and one not be, and where the hips are. I think that has also like the shape that they're creating with the extension of the bevel.

[27:38] Aaron J Albano: Sometimes they're not a bit of bevel, which is weird.

[27:40] Hayley Podschun: You gotta be out.

[27:41] Aaron J Albano: And then this is a fierce twist.

[27:45] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, yes.

[27:46] Aaron J Albano: Can we all admit though that Evie is the best character of this entire series?

[27:51] Hayley Podschun: The incredible shrinking Sophia Carson.

[27:55] Aaron J Albano: They shrunk half her size. You know that after that first movie, everyone was like, okay, you're on camera, Duff Cameron.

[28:04] Hayley Podschun: Who is the tiniest human in the entire world?

[28:08] Aaron J Albano: Like skinny as a rail. I mean, bulls, and then and then I mean, you could tell though she lost some baby weight.

[28:15] Hayley Podschun: Like, she was growing up, but while she was growing up, she was really working on her fitness.

[28:20] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[28:21] Hayley Podschun: It's Eliza Dushko and Kirsten Dunce.

[28:23] Aaron J Albano: Just away.

[28:25] Hayley Podschun: But she, like, like that girl, totally like, I give her so much props because she might not say she's like a Meryl Streep of acting, but like, she knows a hundred thousand percent what this character is, and she's dialed in so well that like I wanted to hug her the entire series.

[28:45] Aaron J Albano: Like, she was my favorite part of all three movies.

[28:48] Hayley Podschun: She's agreed. When she's stupid, it's hilarious. When she's insightful, it's brilliant. When she's loving, it's just it like your heart. Like she's the heart of these movies.

[29:00] Aaron J Albano: I have a question for the and so I have two. I have a point and a question. I think she's the heart of these movies because she doesn't have boy problems, like at least after the first half of the first one.

[29:11] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, yeah.

[29:19] Hayley Podschun: The second thing is I was a little confused in the first one about what they were trying to do with her. I was not very clear if she was actually dumb, if she was because if she was how much she was actually faking it. Oh, Hayley, can you go on mute for a second? Oh, yeah. Um, if she was actually faking it, or because she's obviously not a stupid character, and she is not played that way in any sense of it. But I guess my question really is like I just was unclear about like how much they were the script played up that she was being like dumb for Chad Charming and one can anyone kind of shed some light on that for me.

[30:02] Aaron J Albano: I mean I feel like her journey in the first one was the journey of like growing out of the princess storyline. Like at first she like the only thing that she valued was her appearance, the only thing that she valued was the love of a man, the only thing she valued were the only thing she saw her worth in were those things and her journey with seeing what kind of person Chad was and what kind of person Doug was. I can't believe I know those names was as annoying we've been calling him Jamie and I have called him dupey through all three films.

[30:54] Hayley Podschun: Also I want to give a cheers for Jamie for watching all these movies with you.

[30:58] Aaron J Albano: Oh she loves them. I mean like she was very excited to watch these as opposed to I said we were talking how we would watch all three of these over again if we never had to watch Jersey Boys again. Crazy, I did not like these movies the first one. The first one's good, it's basic, it's just the movies are just too horny by half. They're just really oh no I think they're the perfect amount of horny. I started it was like the first the opening number Jay was like, "Why is this movie so horny?" It's like, why are they all looking like that? And like they got their little padded faces. I was like, this is here to manipulate 16-year-olds in a way that I'm like not on board with.

[31:45] Kevin Jaeger: Duh.

[31:46] Hayley Podschun: But this is in a fairy tale kingdom. Weird daughter maleficent daughter. Like, God, no, don't. But like, this is why my little my older sister who has a daughter and a son now says that she hates that she lets her daughter watch Disney movies because she's like, it's all these slutty Disney princesses that are giving my daughter all these thoughts. Like they really are a little over sexualized for the show Disney. But also, like this isn't a magical world. This isn't taking place in Allah.

[32:16] Aaron J Albano: I think it's an amazing message, and I actually give Disney a lot of props. That Evie's storyline in the first one is when like that moment when Mal looks at her and she says, "You are so smart, you never have to play dumb to get a man."

[32:31] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[32:31] Aaron J Albano: I think that like us being adults don't realize how important that message is for young children to hear that like it's very important to hear that young girls need to know, like be yourself. If you're smart, be smart. Because for years we put out in media that the girls who get the guys are the oh, I don't know. But like be smart and claim who you are. And I think this movie does a really great job of sending positive messages to the young people, and I think Evie's message is really important.

[33:05] Hayley Podschun: Well, and I think my favorite thing about these movies is that do be and it's a question that I have about the second movie, especially. Um, is none one, two, and three, none of the themes of the movie center around, like the main themes of the movie center around a love story. Like the first movie is about like you don't have to be what your parents expect you to be. Second movie is not the second movie is about like remembering who you are. Third movie is about like all of them have very distinct themes, and none of them revolve around the love story.

[33:45] Aaron J Albano: Yes, first and foremost. The love story helps them realize certain things, but it's not about who it's not the central plot.

[33:51] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, yeah. It's just like a fun little oh, while they're doing what they love, they also meet someone else who might be very different than them, but yet they enjoy the same things. Like I like that um the bad kids, you know, kind of fall in love with the good kids, or you know, I just like that because I think it's a good thing for kids to realize you can meet people outside of your circle and be friends with them and learn some great things. So I do like that message.

[34:25] Kevin Jaeger: So let's move on to the oh, go for it, Kevin.

[34:27] Kevin Jaeger: I was just gonna say, I think Ben might be the greatest character for like he's like Chris Off 2.0, yeah. Where it's like he is so supportive and so loving of her, but he's also still a strong man, like as he grows into his 16-year-old self, but like he also like he has a full arc for you never feel like they're you never feel like they're making him be secondary in order to prove a point, they're just showing a natural progression where like he is willing to be as supportive as he needs to be in moments where he also needs to be a leader, and I don'll agree with that.

[35:07] Hayley Podschun: Like I am 100% about women's empowerment, especially in animated and young people films to like encourage women to like embrace their power. But like embracing your power also doesn't have to mean demeaning the power of someone else. And I feel like they do a really great job in the Ben Mal dynamic to never make either of them like diminish themselves for another.

[35:30] Aaron J Albano: Well, I think then that's that's the very clear difference between Ben and Chad. Chad is the like not quite a villain, but just more annoying.

[35:43] Hayley Podschun: Well he's entitled.

[35:44] Aaron J Albano: Cool. But he's also that he's the guy that like will push the woman aside to like try to be better. And like he will, he's the one that subscribes to the old tropes of Disney movies.

[35:58] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[35:59] Aaron J Albano: That we used to always and so does and so does Audrey, which is a great arc for her throughout the films. We'll talk about that, but like to be vilified at the end for like clinging to those tropes is like a really powerful message to send kids, even if it's subconscious.

[36:16] Hayley Podschun: I do have one one tiny quick question from this first one.

[36:19] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[36:20] Hayley Podschun: Is Jane Kelsey from high school musical?

[36:23] Aaron J Albano: She's the same character archetype, but not the same actress.

[36:27] Hayley Podschun: But they literally look the same at the beginning before she gets her hair fixed. And I was like, Kelsey?

[36:33] Aaron J Albano: It's the same archetype. Um before she has her like magic blow-up.

[36:38] Hayley Podschun: Yeah. Oh my god, but it's just the hair thing. If I could do that and just make myself beautiful, jump out of frame, go get your hair done and come back into frame.

[36:49] Kevin Jaeger: So let's talk, let's talk the boys. Um Jay and Carlos.

[36:56] Hayley Podschun: Um, thoughts on them.

[36:59] Aaron J Albano: I thought they had a good dynamic between the two boys by showing like a more sensitive boy and like a more like bro bro boy, so like they were appealing to more men. I will say, and this may be like a hot take that is like contested with all of you, and like I don't know if you'll agree, but I think they really missed an opportunity making by not making Carlos a gay character.

[37:24] Hayley Podschun: Oh, Jay's the gay one.

[37:27] Aaron J Albano: Really?

[37:28] Hayley Podschun: Did you not see the end of the third one when they're going on gap year together?

[37:32] Aaron J Albano: Oh yeah. I mean I saw that, but like I just the fact that like Carlos's character is like screaming to be a gay character, and they don't allow that to happen was very frustrating for me.

[37:43] Hayley Podschun: I guess I don't know, I don't I don't know if I agree.

[37:46] Aaron J Albano: It's the same, it's the same feeling I had when I watched high school musical and thought that they ruined Ryan's character by not letting Ryan be gay and forcing him with Kelsey. I felt the same about Carlos and Jane. I thought that was a forced relationship to keep it Disney-fied, and I thought it would have been really powerful to make Carlos a gay character.

[38:04] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I think it would have been a lot more powerful.

[38:07] Aaron J Albano: I don't know if I I mean I didn't really like think about it too much, but I do agree it would have been really powerful if they had done that choice.

[38:16] Hayley Podschun: He has an overbearing mother. He ends up being really close to like a furry, like four-legged animal. Like he is sensitive and like Brian. He's the sensitive classic gay man. I don't know.

[38:34] Aaron J Albano: Everything about him was like screaming that he should be a gay character. That made me kind of sad.

[38:39] Hayley Podschun: So on the flip side, I'm I'm not saying I disagree with you because I don't, but on the flip side, like, isn't it nice to show a flamboyant straight character?

[38:46] Aaron J Albano: So yeah, no, that's the reason the way they played him was so good that like I don't have like a I'm not angry about it, I'm not like having a vendetta. I just think that it would have been a really great opportunity that they missed. But I think that showing a sensitive man who can still be a like a straight man but be sensitive was also an important like route to take. So like I support it.

[39:07] Hayley Podschun: Wouldn't it have been even cooler though? I mean, I missed that gap year thing. I just uh flew out of my head. But wouldn't it have been even cooler if the Jay Jay is that the character and Gason? Um wouldn't that have been so cool if like he was like the gay character, but like just like his dude's self because yeah, yeah, there's gay men out there that are like that.

[39:35] Aaron J Albano: Like, I wouldn't that be so cool. I think that would have been more interesting if they were more explicit about that, and the you you you subvert the expectations that Carlos is the flamboyant gay character, flingayant, and um and and Jay is flangay it's a bit also this movie was trying really hard to make Torney like the new Quidditch.

[40:03] Hayley Podschun: Oh, for sure.

[40:05] Aaron J Albano: And I'm not like mad. That was really good. I'll watch that.

[40:11] Hayley Podschun: But Torney was just lacrosse, right?

[40:14] Aaron J Albano: It was feel like lacrosse thrown at you.

[40:17] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, it was like for cross with like a middle part that was like dodgeball. Like that was basically Torney, yeah.

[40:24] Aaron J Albano: Which is the whole game. I'd watch it.

[40:26] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, that ball wasn't real at any point in time. And like how cute was it? They used Torney to teach teamwork. Like all these things were like I like nothing in this movie to me, and maybe I'm the crazy one, but like nothing in this movie felt like extraneous stuff. Like they were using every moment in order to like funnel toward the final message. It was a weirdly tight script.

[40:50] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[40:50] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[40:51] Aaron J Albano: Yeah. I cannot believe we have talked this long and not talked about K Chen yet.

[40:57] Hayley Podschun: Well, that's what I want to bring up last because I did not know that Kathy and Jimmy was in this, and that's what got me the most excited.

[41:04] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[41:07] Hayley Podschun: She's so good.

[41:08] Aaron J Albano: Unacceptable.

[41:09] Hayley Podschun: Unacceptable because she's so good in this movie.

[41:17] Aaron J Albano: All the disappointment. All I wanted at the end was for her to like emerge from being her little lizard self and just get back together with Shyan Jackson. That's all I wanted. I wanted all of them to come back at least at some point in D2 or D3. And I was like, where are they?

[41:34] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, we can. I mean, let's talk about them and a little bit more about this, and then we'll move on to two and three because I'm not sure. I can't believe that Kristen Chenoweth ever has to eat again because she was chewing the scenery so hard. Like I feel like she's like full for her life.

[41:49] Aaron J Albano: I loved her number. The um it's so good. The one with that it wasn't exactly her. In the uh yeah, in the in the museum, in the museum, the hall of whatever.

[42:02] Hayley Podschun: Oh, yeah.

[42:04] Aaron J Albano: Um, that was great. They 1000% catered this role to all of her strengths.

[42:11] Hayley Podschun: Oh, yeah. For sure.

[42:13] Aaron J Albano: Music from like the characterization from the comedy they threw her, everything was so like quintessential, Kristen Chenoweth, that it was just like, yeah, yeah. I want every yay or nay. This movie works because of how strong those those parent characters are in the actresses holding it down.

[42:34] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[42:37] Aaron J Albano: I can't say yay or nay, because if you take away, you could have put any actors into those roles. And I think the idea of having the offspring of the uh evils. The evils, I just think that itself is really smart and fun.

[42:57] Hayley Podschun: So I kind of could have been anyone, but they definitely heightened it.

[43:01] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, they legitimized it. Simi tells her daughter to not smile because of the laugh lines.

[43:10] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[43:12] Aaron J Albano: So good. Um they're wonderful. Um, I guess favorite songs from this one. Any any things that you specifically want to bring up?

[43:25] Hayley Podschun: I mean to the Rotten to the Core as one of my like not one of my favorite songs, who am I? But I turning it on again, Stone Cold Sober, I was like, this is a bomb. I would listen to this.

[43:40] Aaron J Albano: I was annoyed by it just because of my previous experience. I think Kimberly put in our group text. Rotten to the Core is 100% a little bit of Lexus, and that just made me love the song more.

[43:54] Hayley Podschun: She is.

[44:00] Aaron J Albano: It was 100% right, and I died. But yeah, but like the whole first verse. I was like, what is this song? Um, the movie is full of like song. It's like a perfect, it's like the Disney, the decom brand of like these obnoxious Disney Channel bops that like I reluctantly love.

[44:25] Hayley Podschun: Yeah. Like I get mad that I like them that much, and then I have to just admit that like I'm like bopping to the groove while I'm watching them.

[44:35] Aaron J Albano: And I'm gonna say this out here. I think the, uh, should I mention, which is the ridiculous song? Did I mention? Did I mention easily have slipped into Hairspray? That's my favorite song in this.

[44:48] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, because Schlesinger is an act like a real writer, like that's the one where they fell.

[44:55] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, yeah. I love that song. That's the best song. It was great. And also, real quick, we gotta throw out there. Why did they sing "Be Our Guest" like hip hop? Oh, that can do that. I almost honestly that almost lost me completely. Why did we need this "Be Our Guest" redo? That almost ruined the whole movie for me. Not even I'm not even exaggerating.

[45:16] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, when it started, I was like, why is it why no? No, you have a good thing going. Stop this. No one asked for this, no one asked for this, no one asked for this.

[45:26] Aaron J Albano: Also, apparently the evil like me song, Andrew Lippa wrote that.

[45:30] Hayley Podschun: Which one's that one?

[45:31] Aaron J Albano: What? The one for Shen?

[45:33] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[45:34] Aaron J Albano: That makes sense. Like this song that written anyway. He probably requested that he write it.

[45:40] Hayley Podschun: I was gonna say I went asked her to have it in her contract that Andrew Lip writes her song.

[45:45] Aaron J Albano: Yeah. So here, um, I guess what do you take from this movie? Like what, what really like did it for you in this movie?

[45:57] Hayley Podschun: I think, I mean I said it before, like the, like the fact that the theme of a Disney movie, like aimed at little tweens, especially tween girls, is that you do not have to be what your parents expect of you. I think it's a very powerful message to be sending to children right now. I think, and I think that's what anchored me as an actual movie, not as not as just like fluff. That's when I was just like, oh, this, this movie amidst all the fluff has more merit than I expected of it.

[46:34] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, yeah, I would agree. I mean, what stuck with me was just like bright colors, fun dances. Well, we can let's talk. We didn't talk about Kenny Ortega. That like oh yeah, this stuff is so good.

[46:48] Aaron J Albano: That was Jay's main takeaway is the a dance number was starting to go, oh, at least they're doing the dance numbers in a wide shot so I can see it all.

[46:55] Hayley Podschun: Yes, be smart.

[46:58] Aaron J Albano: Actually, though. And they hire dancers.

[47:01] Hayley Podschun: And they hire that's really like dances I should know.

[47:06] Aaron J Albano: What do you mean?

[47:07] Hayley Podschun: Like when I saw the High School Musical movie, I feel like all of us learned the like we're all in this together. Like we all learned the like clap and down.

[47:15] Aaron J Albano: Yes.

[47:17] Hayley Podschun: Like it's not like all these songs were dances that I could like see kids like learning and doing it.

[47:22] Aaron J Albano: Yes, sure. Like the TikTok dances. It's it's filmed in unison facing front, so everyone can learn.

[47:28] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, so yeah, here's here's another question too. All good dancers.

[47:32] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, I couldn't. I uh, Hayley said it early in this episode. I could not keep my, I wanted to watch everybody. I could not stop watching Cameron uh voice. I just like I couldn't stop watching him. His moves were so sharp, he was so good. I like I searched him out in dance numbers.

[47:53] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, it's so cute too. Like those freckles, he is adorable to look at. So I despite that hair, he was adorable.

[48:03] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, he died specifically for this movie. I would wait till he was 21 and then definitely date him.

[48:11] Hayley Podschun: That quarantine hair is fantastic.

[48:14] Aaron J Albano: Oh yeah.

[48:15] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, those roots. That is quarantine roots for sure.

[48:19] Aaron J Albano: This movie encapsulated all the joy that is Disney that makes you just like giggle and feel like warm inside. While also like I just I couldn't get over how many important messages were in this movie about like the balance of relationships, the balance of loving yourself, the balance of trusting that who you are is not defined by who you started out because who your parents told you to be. Like there's so many messages in this movie that are just like really deep and impactful, and it was like as an adult watching this, I was very like, it's proud is a weird word because like Disney's a great giant corporation, but like I was proud that there's an organization that is like taking their power and teaching important messages to kids.

[49:06] Hayley Podschun: Well, putting a ton of sexual energy into it.

[49:10] Aaron J Albano: The whole new one.

[49:10] Hayley Podschun: Which is possible, I agree. Makes kids pay attention.

[49:14] Aaron J Albano: Yeah. Like if you want to screw every kid on stage because you're that like 14-year-old who loves that 15-year-old on stage, like you're gonna listen to what they say and take it to heart. And like maybe they found the perfect match of like young, budding sexuality. It's like their spring awakening, if you will.

[49:32] Kimberly Cooper: Any other um, uh, Hayley, anything that kind of stuck out to you in this one?

[49:37] Hayley Podschun: Maybe the wigs.

[49:39] Kimberly Cooper: Um, I just purple hair girls, girls, Hayley and Kimberly.

[49:44] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, Mouse hair, a wig, or is that her?

[49:46] Aaron J Albano: Yes.

[49:47] Hayley Podschun: They're all wigs, Kevin.

[49:49] Kevin Jaeger: Did you not see the clear wig lines in every film?

[49:53] Hayley Podschun: I I thought I did, but then I was like, maybe they're just dyed funny, like they dye their hair deep purple and blue every movie.

[50:00] Aaron J Albano: Well, hold on. I do I know Deb Cameron's was a wig because she contractually like was doing something else where she couldn't dye her hair, but I wanna say Evie's was her actual hair, and then the boys, I know that was Cameron Boyce's own hair, they dyed it for the film, and then Boo Boo. I'm not sure about his hair.

[50:19] Hayley Podschun: Um kind of like a weird thing, like when you guys, Erin and Kaylee, you've dealt with this with like your TV and film and Broadway engagements. Like, is that like an intense decision to agree to allow someone to like dye your hair a crazy color?

[50:37] Aaron J Albano: Yeah. I mean, I think especially Carnage be like the lead of a film for three months, like they wouldn't dye their hair purple for that.

[50:45] Hayley Podschun: No, I think it depends on the level and depends on the amount of commitment. Like, if I were if I were offered a lead of a movie and they're like, we have to dye your hair purple, there's no way we you can wear a wig, I'd be like, that's fine. Just pay for me to get my hair back to its normal state, however long that takes, which could be a year, a year and a half.

[51:07] Aaron J Albano: Wait, what? Why would it take a year and a half?

[51:10] Hayley Podschun: Just dye it back.

[51:11] Aaron J Albano: No, because like at least for me, I'm starting as a blonde. So for me to go to purple and then to rip all that purple out of my hair back to my blonde without making me become bald. I mean, when I was a redhead for Freckleface Strawberry, it took me at least a year to go back to blonde.

[51:30] Aaron J Albano: Seriously?

[51:31] Hayley Podschun: Yeah. Yeah.

[51:32] Aaron J Albano: Otherwise, her hair would be strong.

[51:33] Hayley Podschun: Yeah. Your hair just falls out.

[51:37] Aaron J Albano: So, like, yeah, no.

[51:40] Kevin Jaeger: No. That blew my mind because I'm just like, just dye your hair, you'll dye it back. It's fine.

[51:44] Hayley Podschun: No, no, no.

[51:46] Aaron J Albano: No, no, no, no.

[51:49] Kimberly Cooper: Um, well, on that note, let's uh guess the rotten tomato score.

[51:53] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, 75%.

[51:57] Hayley Podschun: 64.

[52:00] Aaron J Albano: Oh, I actually think I looked one of them up. Like by accident.

[52:03] Kevin Jaeger: Was it this one?

[52:05] Aaron J Albano: One of them's 90.

[52:08] Kevin Jaeger: Is that your guess? Because one of them, because I kept looking up Descendants to get the IMDB page, but I would get the George Clooney movie.

[52:15] Hayley Podschun: Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[52:20] Aaron J Albano: Oh, work. Not kidding. I'm gonna say. So I'm gonna say 90.

[52:24] Kevin Jaeger: I'm gonna say like 55.

[52:29] Hayley Podschun: It's 90.

[52:30] Kimberly Cooper: That was that's the one you saw. Um memorable songs and an excellent casting helped turn Descendants into a decidedly wicked musical romp.

[52:40] Aaron J Albano: What?

[52:40] Kevin Jaeger: Okay.

[52:41] Kimberly Cooper: On 10 reviews.

[52:47] Hayley Podschun: Yes, great job. Disney is typically good at finding younger talent.

[52:52] Aaron J Albano: Yes.

[52:53] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah. So let's talk Descendants 2.

[52:56] Aaron J Albano: Okay.

[52:56] Kimberly Cooper: Um with Uma. Um hold on, real quick. Before I watched Descendants 2, Alien Aaron, and I think Kimberly were like way before me in the pack of watching it this week. I watched them really earlier this time. You guys were all texting about Uma. So I went into Descendants 2 thinking Uma Thurman was going to make an appearance.

[53:08] Aaron J Albano: Oh, how disappointing.

[53:20] Kimberly Cooper: And I literally, until the last second, was like, where is Uma Thurman? And then I was like, oh, they mean the character Uma. Got it.

[53:30] Aaron J Albano: That's incredible. But it makes sense what you would think that knowing the adult stars from the first.

[53:35] Kimberly Cooper: Yes, that's what I assumed that like Uma was going to play like regular like Ursula. And so I was like really upset when no Uma Thurman showed up.

[53:45] Aaron J Albano: Amazing. Um so Uma Thurman's not in the second one. The second one is two years later, 2017.

[53:52] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[53:53] Aaron J Albano: Um let's uh let's um let's get some thoughts on this one. We've already set the stage with all the characters, so let's talk about this one just up front. Thoughts on this one?

[54:02] Kimberly Cooper: Um, Kimberly, let's start with you.

[54:07] Hayley Podschun: On the second one, yeah.

[54:10] Kimberly Cooper: Um, they just like found the sound stage from Hook underground somewhere, and we're like, this let's just do this.

[54:20] Aaron J Albano: Yes.

[54:20] Kimberly Cooper: Um, I was very upset the whole movie that Uma was not an octopus, so then at the end, I was like, oh thank God.

[54:29] Aaron J Albano: You were very upset.

[54:30] Kimberly Cooper: I was just like, it doesn't make any sense. There's such a cool character arc to just like have her dress look like an octopus, or like have her, I don't know. And then she's just a pirate. She famously hates boats. Or her mom. I don't know. Like she did so at the end, I was much more excited.

[54:51] Aaron J Albano: Sure. The last 10 minutes were everything. They were really good. Except when Beast's son roars, jumps into the water, and is just still a boy.

[55:01] Hayley Podschun: And they're still a boy.

[55:04] Aaron J Albano: I was like, we just had this transformation about these two people. And then he roars, and then still a man. That was noticeable and disappointing.

[55:14] Kimberly Cooper: I was like, oh.

[55:15] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, Kimberly, I had the same notes as you in terms of um the lower budget or or all the budget going into the digital effects is very clear. Because this is insane because the first Descendants movie had like topped out on like what like cable movies had like gotten like viewership. They got like 6.6 million viewers for like the premiere. So you'd think they'd put more money into the sequel.

[55:47] Hayley Podschun: No.

[55:48] Aaron J Albano: I mean, if they did, like I said, it went to digital, but two, you've already got your fan base. You don't need to up the ante as much, I guess.

[55:57] Kimberly Cooper: See, and I thought they had more budget for the second one.

[56:01] Aaron J Albano: I agree.

[56:01] Kimberly Cooper: I thought that was good.

[56:02] Aaron J Albano: Well, they used it poorly. If the if the costumes and wigs, and the wigs were slightly better. Everything was so much better. And the story, I loved the second one. That was my favorite one.

[56:14] Hayley Podschun: Oh, this is my least favorite one.

[56:16] Kimberly Cooper: I love it.

[56:18] Aaron J Albano: I love the second one.

[56:19] Hayley Podschun: No, I thought it was terrible. Boring. And quite frankly.

[56:24] Kimberly Cooper: The second one. The second one is the worst, but oh no, I don't mind the third one.

[56:29] Aaron J Albano: I hated the third one.

[56:31] Hayley Podschun: Oh, interesting.

[56:32] Kimberly Cooper: Kind of about there, we'll get there.

[56:35] Aaron J Albano: Oh god, I lost all of them. Um, the two my two issues with number two are one, it was severely missing the older generation.

[56:47] Hayley Podschun: Yes, yes.

[56:48] Aaron J Albano: Yes, I'm waiting for any for it to come back.

[56:51] Kimberly Cooper: It was missing the older generation.

[56:53] Aaron J Albano: Yes, yes.

[56:55] Kimberly Cooper: Which two, and this is my biggest thing to me. Can we just put that out there?

[57:01] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[57:02] Kimberly Cooper: My number two problem for number two is I had a very hard time watching the actress who played Uma. Um, and the actor who played Captain Hook, uh, the song of Captain Hook, because in my personal opinion, um, they just didn't capture what those characters should have been. It was it was very hard to watch them. The original four are understand this world and are acting, and they get to play like not a mean character, but like I just didn't, I I couldn't do it with the new characters. I just thought they weren't bringing it. And and and some of their scenes were unwatchable and the sound stage of her of her of her diner and restaurant, just in my personal opinion, she didn't do it for me, they didn't do it for me. Those scenes were very painful to get through, those were line reads, they weren't just like doing it, and it was those scenes were really, really a struggle.

[58:03] Hayley Podschun: I get that.

[58:04] Hayley Podschun: Also, this message was more clear from the beginning, like as soon as like the dream sequence song ended where they got to be bad again, yeah, and then she woke up and like blonde, and I was like, Oh, she changed herself from a man, and she's gonna realize that he loves her just the way she is.

[58:04] Kevin Jaeger: Like, sure.

[58:04] Hayley Podschun: And I was like, Cool, get faster.

[58:27] Hayley Podschun: Like, I get it, yeah. No, there was definitely I did I did really love her fierce transformation at the hands of Dizzy in part two.

[58:35] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, like I thought, like, I was like, Oh, yes, bitch. Whenever a man makes you upset, get bangs. Like, that's the answer.

[58:44] Hayley Podschun: I also had just watched something earlier that day that was very anti-bangs. So I was very this one really set me off in terms of like what do I believe? When a man makes you mad, get bangs. Like, do it.

[58:57] Aaron J Albano: Have you all seen this TikTok trend of like a girl like holding her hair like this with scissors, and then you hear a text come through, she goes, Oh, never mind. He texted me back.

[59:06] Hayley Podschun: No, no, no. I am really sick of everyone being like, Look, I cut my hair, and then they're like, nope, just kidding. I'm like, who cares?

[59:19] Aaron J Albano: I loved this movie. I thought part two was great.

[59:21] Hayley Podschun: I agree, I loved it. I think part two is great.

[59:25] Aaron J Albano: I know I thought the like the development of the the way that they took part one and developed it into part two is great.

[59:33] Hayley Podschun: So I will say that something that this trilogy does that they did not have to do, and that was the biggest disappointment of the Aladdin trilogy we watched, is they actually take these characters from the point at which they ended the previous movie and build on that.

[59:48] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, and not no character makes the same mistake twice, and that is so refreshing.

[59:53] Hayley Podschun: Yes, absolutely. I also wanted to say I thought you really make weird secondary mistakes.

[1:00:07] Aaron J Albano: I loved Evie in this movie because like you she appears and you're like, oh, she has owned her new.

[1:00:15] Hayley Podschun: I'm good now. Can we also use the saying, does an ogre love cheese puffs?

[1:00:23] Aaron J Albano: Also, I don't love cheese puffs. So I think I disproved that rule to the ogre love cheese puffs.

[1:00:29] Hayley Podschun: Can we talk about Minnie Mulan?

[1:00:32] Aaron J Albano: Lonnie.

[1:00:33] Hayley Podschun: Oh, Lonnie! Oh, I wrote my note on her is Lonnie making points.

[1:00:38] Aaron J Albano: I loved her, especially. I mean, in number three, but I loved the addition of that character.

[1:00:45] Hayley Podschun: The second one is the fencing. Again, okay, cool.

[1:00:49] Aaron J Albano: That was such an important message to send to kids.

[1:00:52] Hayley Podschun: Like awesome.

[1:00:53] Aaron J Albano: Again, a second.

[1:00:57] Hayley Podschun: Yes, correct. Everything she was doing, I was like, oh, she's super confused.

[1:01:01] Aaron J Albano: And she brings that up. I love that she brings that up.

[1:01:03] Hayley Podschun: It's like you're I love that. But I kind of want to be like move on to this question.

[1:01:09] Aaron J Albano: Like, I can't let a girl be on the team, and then like proving that the girl should be on the team.

[1:01:15] Hayley Podschun: Like, that's a really like I think we don't unacknowledge as adults what an important message that is for kids because like my especially us being liberal adults.

[1:01:25] Aaron J Albano: I was told that as a child, I was told I wanted to play the drums in the fifth grade band.

[1:01:32] Hayley Podschun: My teacher literally said you can't because you're a girl.

[1:01:35] Aaron J Albano: I played drums in fifth grade. Nope. It's a question other jobs I had as a kid where the boys got paid like a stipend for gas and the girls didn't, and we were literally told, Oh, he's a boy, so he's gonna get the pay.

[1:01:50] Hayley Podschun: And I was like, Oh, you beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. I can dance circles around him.

[1:01:54] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, that'd be my favorite was here's a which here.

[1:02:00] Hayley Podschun: I just want to bring up the conclusion to that storyline. One, it was very predictable once he read that rule about like a captain and a but do you think that because they didn't break the rule and they just adjusted to the what the rule says, do you think that diminished the lesson from that?

[1:02:20] Aaron J Albano: No, no, because yeah, because that was what I was I didn't think it was that predictable because I thought he was just gonna buck the rule, but the fact that he was like, No, all right, fine. If this is gonna be we're gonna make it around it, we're gonna get around it by making her in charge of us.

[1:02:37] Hayley Podschun: That is like a great moment for a straight male character who is the captain of a like sport team, all sports teams remember, yes.

[1:02:47] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, okay.

[1:02:49] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, but a guy who is a captain of a sports team to make the female not just on the team, but the captain of the team better than that.

[1:02:59] Aaron J Albano: That was a huge important message.

[1:03:01] Hayley Podschun: Um, when we started the movie and the fencing came into play, I was like super excited. I was like, Cool, what a good idea fencing, and then Jamie turns to me, she goes, Yeah, there are pirates in this movie. Of course they need to fence.

[1:03:12] Aaron J Albano: And I was like, Oh, right, right.

[1:03:17] Hayley Podschun: Also, I just want to throw out there the subtlety of Disney, which is not that subtle but is brilliant, where like when Uma is like tricking with a love spell, if you notice when they're dancing, it's Kiss the Girl.

[1:03:33] Aaron J Albano: Yes, yeah.

[1:03:34] Hayley Podschun: Song there.

[1:03:35] Aaron J Albano: So like the little nods to the movie to like, and the fact that they're on a boat where like Ursula's character, I what was right? Vanessa was in the the mermaid was like the Ursula was Vanessa, like the fact that they like did nods to that moment, and that's what she's doing is doing the same thing her mom did.

[1:03:56] Hayley Podschun: Like, I thought that was like really brilliant.

[1:03:58] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, I just wanted to add one more thing about Mulan that I don't think that Mulan would send her daughter to a school that wouldn't allow the girls to be on the sports teams.

[1:04:07] Aaron J Albano: She might have had a choice, that's just the district they were in.

[1:04:10] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, so like Aaron, Karen, if you can do us a favor and ask Leia Salongo what she thinks Milan would do, that would be great.

[1:04:18] Aaron J Albano: Please, but I was like, Milan fought this battle in actively not the same time period that any of these people are living in.

[1:04:25] Hayley Podschun: Oh wait, Jamie was like, Jamie was like, Yeah, I I mean they talk about that war, she's like, Oh, you mean the real war in our world? How does this all work?

[1:04:34] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, there's so interesting that I kept thinking of so if you've got Aurora's daughter who Aurora's movie technically, we're talking about when all the movies came out.

[1:04:45] Hayley Podschun: Her movie came out long before Beauty and the Beast.

[1:04:48] Aaron J Albano: Uh-huh. And you're thinking about the timeline of all these films, right?

[1:04:52] Hayley Podschun: So how old was Aurora when she had her baby at the same time of Belle, but yet you know what I mean?

[1:05:01] Aaron J Albano: Like, we're not we're not thinking about that stuff.

[1:05:04] Hayley Podschun: I mean, no, we're not.

[1:05:08] Aaron J Albano: My answer is magic.

[1:05:12] Hayley Podschun: I was like, we the five of us know specifically that Jafar is a genie when he was supposed to have this child.

[1:05:18] Aaron J Albano: So listen, that's why we didn't see him much in Return of Jafar.

[1:05:24] Hayley Podschun: I guess no.

[1:05:27] Aaron J Albano: Um I mean, I I love this. I'm I'm one that loves this movie.

[1:05:34] Hayley Podschun: I think it's my favorite one.

[1:05:36] Aaron J Albano: So two things I want to bring up, and I want to bring this up to everybody. One, yeah, something that really spoke to me in this second one is that a lot of movies, especially for kids, do not touch upon.

[1:05:47] Hayley Podschun: And that is something that is very prevalent in in all walks of life today, which is imposter syndrome, and the feeling that you are faking it, fake it till you make it.

[1:05:59] Aaron J Albano: That's a bad thing. And the fact that like this was conveyed to young kids that like we're all kind of faking it until we can figure it out, and even then we continue to fake it, and like this is a very serious, not serious, but this is a common issue among people who are promoted too early or at the right time, or like honestly, the popular kid.

[1:06:19] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, and like I'd like that they they touched upon that.

[1:06:23] Aaron J Albano: Um but I want to go back to the first one.

[1:06:25] Hayley Podschun: Right, right.

[1:06:26] Aaron J Albano: They didn't just do it through like lines and like people saying stuff, they did it through visuals, yes.

[1:06:33] Hayley Podschun: Like the fact that like Dove Cameron dyed her hair blonde, like the green of her eyes was coming out, yeah.

[1:06:41] Aaron J Albano: And that was and to prove your point from it like she was doing all of the things right.

[1:06:46] Hayley Podschun: She had the right boyfriend, she had the right hair color, she had the right like place in society.

[1:06:53] Aaron J Albano: Like the fact that they really kind of like drug that home that like you can win as far as like winning popularity goes.

[1:07:03] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, like you're not okay until you acknowledge who you are.

[1:07:07] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:07:09] Hayley Podschun: This these movies do great job of telling messages to kids.

[1:07:12] Aaron J Albano: And to go into what you said earlier about like Ben being a Christoph cut type character, yeah.

[1:07:18] Hayley Podschun: The fact that like he didn't have to quote learn the lesson in this, if you will, but the fact that like he knew who she was from the beginning, it was all like a self-thing where like he was always gonna do the green in her eyes because that's who she is, was like purple, yeah, an incre and a purple hair exactly.

[1:07:35] Aaron J Albano: It was was an incredible kind of moment at the end.

[1:07:39] Hayley Podschun: I'm sorry, like the one of the biggest moments that is like really swept under the rug in part two is the moment when he says to her, like when like Jane comes up and it's like you have to make a few more decisions about coronation.

[1:07:51] Aaron J Albano: He goes, We can cancel it if you want to.

[1:07:54] Hayley Podschun: Like that is a huge moment, like is a big moment in his life that he's willing to cancel in order to make the girl he cares about feel better.

[1:08:03] Aaron J Albano: Also pretty selfish to first.

[1:08:07] Hayley Podschun: Wait, what'd you say, Kimberly?

[1:08:08] Kimberly Cooper: Because he's becoming he's 16 years old and becoming king.

[1:08:13] Aaron J Albano: I agree, but like I No, wait, the second one, the second one was the engagement.

[1:08:13] Hayley Podschun: The second one was the Catilian.

[1:08:18] Aaron J Albano: Catilian.

[1:08:20] Hayley Podschun: Right. The fact that he would have the fact that he would have like put all of that off for her.

[1:08:26] Aaron J Albano: Is like such an important message to tell kids that, like, hey, guess what?

[1:08:31] Hayley Podschun: Like, things might make you uncomfortable, but like if someone loves you, they'll notice that.

[1:08:36] Aaron J Albano: And like they showed that so well in these movies.

[1:08:39] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[1:08:40] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:08:40] Hayley Podschun: Because not only did he notice it, but Evie noticed it.

[1:08:44] Aaron J Albano: So it wasn't just showing that the man notices that the woman is upset, but showing that like her best friend is strong enough to know that like this is hard for you.

[1:08:55] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[1:08:55] Aaron J Albano: That was all really important.

[1:08:57] Hayley Podschun: Like there was a lot of really well done script writing in this play.

[1:09:01] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:09:02] Hayley Podschun: The poor script writing.

[1:09:04] Aaron J Albano: When the big surprise at the end was supposed to be that he like put her in stained glass and purple with green eyes, and we had already seen it on Jane's iPad.

[1:09:14] Hayley Podschun: Oh I didn't think about that.

[1:09:15] Aaron J Albano: I didn't even notice.

[1:09:16] Hayley Podschun: Oh, I did not notice that purple.

[1:09:20] Aaron J Albano: What do you mean?

[1:09:21] Hayley Podschun: It's been there.

[1:09:22] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, there was like the whole movie.

[1:09:24] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[1:09:25] Aaron J Albano: So when they did that, yeah, duh, is this gonna make him not be spelled?

[1:09:30] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I will.

[1:09:32] Aaron J Albano: I don't know.

[1:09:33] Hayley Podschun: Um, I what I do like.

[1:09:34] Aaron J Albano: Um, I'm going back to the first one about the character in general for a second.

[1:09:37] Hayley Podschun: We didn't talk about this, but she puts a love spell on him in the first one.

[1:09:41] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, and like I like that he gets spelled a lot.

[1:09:45] Hayley Podschun: Um, he's not very careful.

[1:09:47] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, I do like that.

[1:09:49] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, remember in the second one, he's like, You did this one and this one and this one and this one, and she that was so cute though when he like ate the cupcake in the first one.

[1:09:58] Aaron J Albano: Was like, Oh, we should we wait till the like anti-love book.

[1:10:01] Hayley Podschun: I love that scene. It kind of explains a lot, it makes him seem better.

[1:10:05] Aaron J Albano: It also makes it seem like it also just reiterates the fact that she did not steal him.

[1:10:11] Hayley Podschun: She expedited it, but she did not, but like these were his feelings.

[1:10:15] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, yes. Very important to also teach the other things.

[1:10:20] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[1:10:21] Aaron J Albano: That like you can like break the mold and still be okay because like that was going to happen.

[1:10:28] Hayley Podschun: And like he did like tell on her.

[1:10:30] Aaron J Albano: Like he, I don't know.

[1:10:32] Hayley Podschun: He's honestly, he should be king.

[1:10:34] Aaron J Albano: He's very wise for his age.

[1:10:38] Hayley Podschun: I mean, Phoebe is the best character, but like besides the greatest.

[1:10:42] Aaron J Albano: He is like the best drawn-out character in all of these movies.

[1:10:46] Hayley Podschun: Um, my least favorite, yes, please.

[1:10:49] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:10:50] Hayley Podschun: Um, and again, we we love Doopy's not in it as much, but we love Doopy.

[1:10:54] Aaron J Albano: Um, yeah, he was very busy growing out.

[1:10:59] Hayley Podschun: Don't worry. Uh, we'll talk about Doopy in the third part.

[1:11:02] Aaron J Albano: But I guess my first is um, did you feel that the talking dog was a wasted opportunity for Bobby Moynihan?

[1:11:14] Hayley Podschun: For for just a plot line. I thought the talking dog was like Disney reaching in a sequel, and that was like the one moment where I was like, oh no, oh no.

[1:11:24] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, we did not need that.

[1:11:26] Hayley Podschun: We didn't need that.

[1:11:28] Aaron J Albano: It didn't need to continue.

[1:11:29] Hayley Podschun: Like, I thought the spell would wear off.

[1:11:31] Aaron J Albano: Yes, because the whole point of him was to illustrate the fake one, right?

[1:11:37] Hayley Podschun: That was like yes, that was the point.

[1:11:39] Aaron J Albano: Was that was the point at the end.

[1:11:40] Hayley Podschun: Um Audrey, is that her name?

[1:11:44] Aaron J Albano: Audrey.

[1:11:45] Hayley Podschun: It was not really in this, but then so I know why she's not.

[1:11:49] Aaron J Albano: She was filming something else, it was a scheduling conflict, and that's why the Mulan mini is not in the third one because she had a scheduling conflict.

[1:11:57] Hayley Podschun: Oh, yeah.

[1:11:58] Aaron J Albano: I'm sorry.

[1:11:59] Hayley Podschun: If you already know that this movie that you are a part of is a huge hit, you get out of whatever else you're doing, or you have them work around it.

[1:12:10] Aaron J Albano: Because what I've been told, Disney don't pay too well.

[1:12:15] Hayley Podschun: I mean, I kind of don't care at this point.

[1:12:18] Aaron J Albano: Like be a part of it.

[1:12:21] Hayley Podschun: You're in there for the Instagram followers.

[1:12:23] Aaron J Albano: Because even Jane has two million.

[1:12:26] Hayley Podschun: I did miss Lonnie from the third one.

[1:12:28] Aaron J Albano: I did not miss Audrey from this one.

[1:12:30] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[1:12:31] Aaron J Albano: However, I was very confused in the third one because I thought that Chad and Audrey were together.

[1:12:38] Hayley Podschun: No, not yet.

[1:12:39] Aaron J Albano: My last thing, we'll get there.

[1:12:41] Hayley Podschun: Sorry, I got excited.

[1:12:42] Aaron J Albano: Um, song songs from the second one.

[1:12:46] Hayley Podschun: What what tickled your fancy?

[1:12:49] Aaron J Albano: I mean, I like, and it might be why I love the second one so much. I'm convinced that Uma has her own writer for these movies, because I love her music.

[1:13:03] Aaron J Albano: What is her music?

[1:13:04] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, you really did love her bops.

[1:13:06] Aaron J Albano: I love her music.

[1:13:08] Hayley Podschun: Which one?

[1:13:09] Aaron J Albano: I think what's my name is so good. I think what's my, I think the pirate song is so good, her song on the third one is so good.

[1:13:15] Hayley Podschun: They all sound exactly the same.

[1:13:17] Aaron J Albano: Oh, I, that's why I couldn't tell you the only a couple of these songs would I'd be able to, they literally sound exactly the same, which is why I think that they like probably, she probably has her own writer for the music, but I'm in for it all, all three songs because I was like, I did like how all of her sounded somewhat similar because it was like good. This sticks with her character, which I appreciated for this.

[1:13:42] Hayley Podschun: Well, I was happy when they sang because that was when I enjoyed her scenes the most.

[1:13:46] Aaron J Albano: Literally. I mean, and that might be why I don't mind her in the movie because I like her song so much.

[1:13:52] Hayley Podschun: But so what's my name is literally probably my favorite song of the entire—

[1:13:52] Aaron J Albano: Oh really?

[1:13:58] Hayley Podschun: I loved Chillin' Like a Villain.

[1:14:01] Aaron J Albano: I did too.

[1:14:04] Hayley Podschun: That's when they're like teaching him to walk like a villa, like a mean person when they first get to the island.

[1:14:09] Aaron J Albano: Oh, that one's cute.

[1:14:10] Hayley Podschun: Yes. Well, yeah, that one was cute. And honestly, same thing I said before, I was only watching, um, I was like, I think that's when I noticed just how fantastic he was.

[1:14:23] Aaron J Albano: So good in that number. All the like little poppy stuff. I was like, okay, you go, little boy. Work.

[1:14:30] Hayley Podschun: They call so much attention to themselves.

[1:14:33] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, yes.

[1:14:39] Hayley Podschun: He is wearing a moto jacket with his royal crest.

[1:14:43] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's clearly—

[1:14:45] Hayley Podschun: Oh my god, that song, I lived for that song though, with him like messing up and being sweet, and then like be like, no, don't do that. And then that being like, like the fact of like how to be a villain rests on ballads.

[1:15:01] Aaron J Albano: I also kept wondering when they went to the Bad Island. I'm like, who are all these other children of? Like what other villains do we not know live here?

[1:15:11] Hayley Podschun: And who are there? All of them and their media.

[1:15:11] Aaron J Albano: Smee.

[1:15:15] Hayley Podschun: We got into minions in number three with Smee.

[1:15:17] Aaron J Albano: No, we did, but three, they chose the weirdest people. We'll talk about it.

[1:15:20] Hayley Podschun: Um, I guess any, uh, before we move on to, um—

[1:15:22] Aaron J Albano: Oh, I also will say that I really, I thought the, um, him asking Jane out with the dog and all that stuff is very sweet. That was a very nice, I thought the end of part two by having Ben jump in the middle and be like, isn't there something we can do? Because fighting is not the answer, was like a really great message to send to the young generation of tomorrow that like blowing each other up is not gonna be the answer. We have to figure something else out.

[1:15:54] Hayley Podschun: And I thought a really great message to send to young kids to be like—

[1:15:55] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, but he didn't turn into a beast, so I wasn't paying attention.

[1:16:03] Hayley Podschun: I know. Kevin, you're gonna kill me, but I don't like Ben.

[1:16:06] Aaron J Albano: No, he's so annoying and dumb.

[1:16:09] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I would agree with you.

[1:16:12] Aaron J Albano: I feel like Ben, like Ben would be my boyfriend in like three years.

[1:16:16] Hayley Podschun: No, he's such a wet blanket.

[1:16:20] Aaron J Albano: Oh, and his Toy Bolton hair does not work for his face.

[1:16:25] Hayley Podschun: Agreed.

[1:16:26] Aaron J Albano: It's—

[1:16:28] Kimberly Cooper: Yes, we win.

[1:16:30] Aaron J Albano: He's not good.

[1:16:31] Hayley Podschun: Oh, I do have one thing to say about the finale number.

[1:16:35] Aaron J Albano: Sure.

[1:16:35] Hayley Podschun: Which I really enjoyed them dancing in the water. I felt bad for them as a performer. I was like, that sucks.

[1:16:39] Aaron J Albano: But my number, I was like, how many people got hurt during this?

[1:16:45] Hayley Podschun: Like I know. Literally, my one note about this end number was I'm so jealous how they all won't hurt the next day because they were giving it and like picking screen and clipping in water, and I'm like, oh my god. I could have filmed that when I was 17 as well, and done it four or five takes in a row, no problem. Woke up the next morning after going out, whatever.

[1:17:13] Aaron J Albano: Same. If I did four eight counts of that today, I would be like, I gotta go.

[1:17:20] Hayley Podschun: You have to have—well, just imagine the, like, just imagine the not used takes of like that kid just falling.

[1:17:30] Aaron J Albano: And he just like—and there that water is deep.

[1:17:35] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, that water is like a light, a light sprinkler.

[1:17:38] Aaron J Albano: That was rude.

[1:17:39] Hayley Podschun: That was rude water.

[1:17:41] Aaron J Albano: It was, it was a lot.

[1:17:43] Hayley Podschun: That was like a kiddie pool at a water park.

[1:17:45] Aaron J Albano: Like, yeah, yeah.

[1:17:47] Hayley Podschun: Um, I loved it though. I thought the choreography was really fun of how clearly they got in a room, they paid Disney. It was like, we need a room to figure out how we can make fun pictures of water and splashes, and I thought it was really great.

[1:18:01] Aaron J Albano: I don't know if it's a—I don't know if it's like a thing, but like having those moments where like Ben splashed Mal and then she splashed him bigger than Ben could splash, like all those moments, like they like reflected in me where I was like, this is like a really strong empowering movie where like Ben splashes, and his girlfriend is go, oh no, I'm quit, but like she splashes back, and like those are very important things to tell the young kids is like hold your ground, be the strong girl that you are because like the man who is strong will love you. Like those were like really important stuff.

[1:18:38] Hayley Podschun: Sure.

[1:18:39] Aaron J Albano: All right, uh, two things that—oh sorry, no, it's okay. So the one, what the one thing that I did, one thing that I did love is that like I remember watching during the first movie, being like, they haven't kissed yet. They're not, are they gonna kiss in this movie? And knowing that they literally, that they had the foresight to use that as a plot device in the second movie, I thought was really strong storytelling-wise, storytelling strong, but like so. I thought that was a really interesting choice that they made because I always feel like True Love's Kiss is an easy go in every Disney movie, and so for them to like delay that and prolong that, I thought was a strong choice for them.

[1:19:24] Hayley Podschun: But um, my second thing that I wanted to put, and I texted you guys about this. Like, what was cool was that I feel like those, if the first movie's central relationship was like Kristen Chenoweth and Mal or Maleficent and Mal, this one is definitely like Evie and Mal, and especially in their song where they're like the C between, is that the one?

[1:19:49] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, and I was like, I love that again, the same thing that like the sent the love, the love story is not the central like relationship of the movie, but it's in fact like the best friend relationship. Evie and Mal is the central relationship, and with this movie and like Frozen at the same time, and like, like what I wanted to ask like the women of our podcast, but I was like the very distinct move from the like heterosexual romantic love relationship being the central relationship, this pointing that your relationship with your friend or your sister, like the change of that. How do you guys feel like that's an intentional like move for this generation's young girls? Or like was this intentional, or do you think that was organic? Or what, like what is your take on how that it seems like it has shifted in culture?

[1:20:59] Hayley Podschun: Does that make sense?

[1:21:00] Kimberly Cooper: No, I'm confused.

[1:21:01] Hayley Podschun: Of like the song or their relationship.

[1:21:04] Kimberly Cooper: The relationship.

[1:21:04] Hayley Podschun: I mean, because I feel like that the importance of that relationship for Mal to rely on is fundamentally in this movie more important than like her relationship with her like love interest.

[1:21:20] Aaron J Albano: Do you disagree?

[1:21:20] Hayley Podschun: Or to tell you the truth? I truly can't remember. But I did like this is why I have to take notes because I can't remember anything.

[1:21:30] Kimberly Cooper: Um, I did—oh gosh, so that's me.

[1:21:37] Aaron J Albano: Kim Ruby.

[1:21:47] Kimberly Cooper: Okay.

[1:21:48] Aaron J Albano: So I was sort of always like, like, no, it's about these two cool friends.

[1:21:52] Kimberly Cooper: Okay.

[1:21:53] Aaron J Albano: Um, but I see what you mean. I mean, I think that Disney doesn't do anything unintentionally. So I think that maybe they were moving in that direction, saw how Frozen did, and have just been like, let's show friendships because that's what's happening right now. Sixteen-year-olds are not forming the loves of their lives.

[1:22:14] Kimberly Cooper: Okay.

[1:22:15] Aaron J Albano: So let's learn how to be friends instead of teaching how them this fantasy world of falling in love.

[1:22:21] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, I do think it's important that they did show a strong female relationship. Um, strong male friendships as well.

[1:22:26] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:22:32] Kimberly Cooper: Between the dog and Carlos.

[1:22:37] Aaron J Albano: So let's, let's um, let's guess the Rotten Tomatoes and then go on to number three. Um, let's go around Rotten Tomatoes for number two.

[1:22:43] Hayley Podschun: 83.

[1:22:47] Aaron J Albano: 75.

[1:22:47] Kimberly Cooper: 79.

[1:22:51] Kevin Jaeger: 64.

[1:23:01] Aaron J Albano: 71.

[1:23:03] Hayley Podschun: Oh.

[1:23:04] Aaron J Albano: There is no consensus.

[1:23:07] Kimberly Cooper: Um, let's talk about three.

[1:23:10] Aaron J Albano: Um, three's an interesting one.

[1:23:13] Hayley Podschun: Um, let's start—

[1:23:13] Kevin Jaeger: So upsetting.

[1:23:20] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:23:21] Hayley Podschun: What is the opening number?

[1:23:23] Aaron J Albano: Because I have a note saying I just want them all to start singing Hard Knock Life, and I don't know what this response to.

[1:23:29] Hayley Podschun: Good to be bad.

[1:23:31] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, and like they say the VK kids, but I don't think they ever say that VK stands for villain kids.

[1:23:38] Hayley Podschun: No, they've never used it until this one, and I'm almost positive they started using VK kids because it rhymes. K is easy to rhyme with other things in songs.

[1:23:48] Aaron J Albano: Interesting.

[1:23:49] Hayley Podschun: Okay, I can buy that.

[1:23:50] Aaron J Albano: Oh, but yeah, that third one. Let's talk about the thing. We’ll talk about the relationships, all that stuff, but let's talk about the themes and the plot of the third one because they're really going all in without going all in.

[1:24:04] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[1:24:05] Aaron J Albano: Um, they start out with this like lottery Hunger Games type situation.

[1:24:10] Hayley Podschun: The Hunger Games or like some just—is it a lottery?

[1:24:10] Aaron J Albano: They're not a lottery, they're clearly choosing, and it's pretty screwed up because like if I were a villain got the letter, she already got her weird little letter at the end of the second movie.

[1:24:28] Hayley Podschun: So she also—timeline is messed up here too, even with 2.5, which we'll get to a little bit later.

[1:24:34] Aaron J Albano: Are they in school? Because Evie has her own house.

[1:24:35] Hayley Podschun: I don't know. Evie bought her own castle after part two with the worst logo I've ever seen.

[1:24:44] Aaron J Albano: With all the money that she has as a 16-year-old, yeah, fashion designer.

[1:24:49] Hayley Podschun: Also, their dresses, yes.

[1:24:52] Aaron J Albano: Well, what confuses me about this also is that like if I were a VK on the island, I would be so upset if they outwardly said, like, and Dizzy, because she's my friend. It's like no, no, no, no, no.

[1:25:08] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I'm like, if there's anything that will create more umas, it's this like blatant nepotism that's going on with this, and yeah, and that's what's our—what's what annoys me the most about all of it is because I'm like at the end of the movie. We have at the end of the second movie, we have Evie advocating for all of them, and then we start the movie with all of them in this weird position of power that they can just choose willy-nilly, like who their favorite people are, and that they'll like come with that. Like it does, it doesn't seem like it, it feels like a step back from where we ended in the second movie.

[1:25:49] Aaron J Albano: Set up from the beginning that the lesson is going to be everyone gets to go.

[1:25:54] Hayley Podschun: Like the thing is also open. That's a terrible lesson. You can't just open up the gates when these people have been dead is against you.

[1:26:02] Aaron J Albano: There are ways to bring more people into Auradon and not have to, like, you know, just the children.

[1:26:09] Hayley Podschun: Yes, you don't just open it up to Hades. I don't care if you help with the gym and he's Shine Jackson, we love him.

[1:26:16] Aaron J Albano: And then he also said, as soon as Audrey woke up, Jay just looks at me and goes, she goes to the island.

[1:26:23] Hayley Podschun: Yes, yeah.

[1:26:28] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, she should.

[1:26:29] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I was texting Bryan about this, which I was like, which I was because I didn't want to like put spoilers into the big group chat. But like, I feel like they're very willy-nilly on whether the Isle of the Lost is a prison or a different nation, and they just kind of use it when however they see fit at any given moment.

[1:26:50] Aaron J Albano: Because doesn't she say, like, I'll be their queen too? Or he's like their—because that makes it feel like it's a different nation.

[1:26:57] Hayley Podschun: Whatever they want it to be in the moment.

[1:27:00] Aaron J Albano: Yeah. But then who rules that land?

[1:27:03] Hayley Podschun: No one is—it's a jungle.

[1:27:05] Aaron J Albano: Maleficent.

[1:27:06] Hayley Podschun: I feel like Maleficent rules it.

[1:27:07] Aaron J Albano: She's a two, she's a newt.

[1:27:09] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, not anymore. I feel like, I mean, like, Uma wants to be like wants to take care of her own, and so she wants to go back and so like why is it that each different sequel, each girl gets more of the color that they were associated with? Like the color schemes in this movie are like why is it by the end of like, like by the time that like Descendants 3 comes along, like Evie is just blue.

[1:27:41] Aaron J Albano: Her eye light, her eyelid, her eyelashes are blue, her eyelids are blue, her hair is Kevin, she's dating a hunk.

[1:27:49] Unknown speaker: Merchandising.

[1:27:51] Hayley Podschun: Oh my god!

[1:27:53] Aaron J Albano: It was just like, it was just like purple colors.

[1:27:57] Hayley Podschun: Where did you find that?

[1:27:58] Aaron J Albano: That's Doopy's Instagram.

[1:28:01] Hayley Podschun: Uh, like why the hell did Juopy have the longest hair I've ever seen in my entire life?

[1:28:10] Aaron J Albano: Doopy's glow-up made him look like Nicolas Cage.

[1:28:14] Hayley Podschun: Yes!

[1:28:15] Aaron J Albano: He looked like Nicholas Cage. I was like, why are you doing this, Doopy?

[1:28:19] Hayley Podschun: He was so much cuter in the first one.

[1:28:21] Kimberly Cooper: Uh-huh.

[1:28:22] Kevin Jaeger: Uh-huh.

[1:28:22] Aaron J Albano: Um, straight up. So in this one, do let's talk about the theme of like, and everybody's kind of, um, intentions. Everyone's intentions seem a little suspect in terms of writing in this one.

[1:28:35] Hayley Podschun: Um, Uma seems to be very easily persuaded to go back to like help Mal out, which doesn't make sense. But also Mal's actions don't track what she's been doing, as Kimberly said the whole time.

[1:28:48] Aaron J Albano: And then on top of all of that, um, one of the issues that I had with this movie, even though I did like it better than the second one somehow, now we're talking about it, I might change my mind, but like I don't know, Disney seemed like to put one foot into the conversation about like immigration or things of that nature, but only like dip their toe in a little bit. And this movie was so interesting in that like it was gonna go into this gray area and like it just like halts like immediately. Any thoughts on that?

[1:29:21] Hayley Podschun: Well, I feel like this was the natural progression of these movies to go, which I applaud, and I think it went for, again, who it's meant for, I think it did a fine job. But as adults watching this movie and seeing what it could be, because at the end of the day, like what I think that's nice about this movie is that it's like good and evil is not black and white, and they go as far as saying that in terms like Hades says at the end of the movie, like you will do this for Audrey because she's one of your own.

[1:29:59] Aaron J Albano: But if I do this, that was the best line in the whole movie when he was like, yes, absolutely. Also, to me, Cheyenne Jackson as the like parent character definitely gave me the level of like older generation that the second one was dearly missing.

[1:30:17] Hayley Podschun: Oh, yes, yes, but he still felt to me, I still thought he was too young to be—oh, I was like, like, this doesn't feel right at all.

[1:30:27] Aaron J Albano: That's fair.

[1:30:27] Hayley Podschun: Like when they were hugging, it was like a little awkward.

[1:30:30] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, they were uncomfortable.

[1:30:34] Hayley Podschun: And I didn't really like their song, but—

[1:30:34] Aaron J Albano: Oh no, cut terrible.

[1:30:41] Hayley Podschun: Um, I thought this movie was just so awkward because the clear choice in front of them was you guys are now the evil ones because you are only allowing like, oh, only four kids get to come, isn't it special? But you guys are still trash.

[1:30:56] Aaron J Albano: Also, Smee's twins, come on, they were so cute.

[1:31:01] Hayley Podschun: No, I mean it also like not really a bad guy.

[1:31:05] Aaron J Albano: Well, also, like, I love that Smee was associated with Captain Hook.

[1:31:09] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, yeah.

[1:31:10] Aaron J Albano: Smee and his family were the most credited, like extras I've ever seen because all three of them had nothing to say.

[1:31:15] Hayley Podschun: No.

[1:31:19] Aaron J Albano: I was really happy to see them bring in Princess and the Frog.

[1:31:22] Hayley Podschun: That was very nice.

[1:31:24] Aaron J Albano: And I have never seen that movie, so I didn't know what that was.

[1:31:27] Hayley Podschun: Oh, that's a good one.

[1:31:30] Aaron J Albano: Summoned down. Mr. Facilitator's daughter, the voodoo—

[1:31:35] Hayley Podschun: Wait, I thought that was the Mad Hatter.

[1:31:38] Aaron J Albano: No.

[1:31:38] Hayley Podschun: That was the bad guy from Princess and the Frog.

[1:31:42] Aaron J Albano: Okay.

[1:31:43] Hayley Podschun: Which also, fun fact, that is Jamal Sims, who helped choreograph the Hairspray movie.

[1:31:49] Aaron J Albano: Oh, and also the choreographer of the Aladdin live action.

[1:31:54] Hayley Podschun: Oh, that was Jamal.

[1:31:56] Aaron J Albano: That's awesome. Full circle.

[1:31:58] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I definitely thought that was the Mad Hatter, um, because she had a crazy cat on.

[1:32:04] Aaron J Albano: Tell me it was the Princess and the Frog.

[1:32:08] Hayley Podschun: I would not have told.

[1:32:09] Aaron J Albano: Ah.

[1:32:10] Hayley Podschun: I also have to look who Lady Tremaine was.

[1:32:13] Aaron J Albano: Oh, the stepmother.

[1:32:15] Hayley Podschun: Oh, got it.

[1:32:15] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:32:16] Hayley Podschun: Oh, yeah.

[1:32:16] Aaron J Albano: Oh, her also my notes for this one also are the whole first half of this movie felt like a weird Nazi propaganda thing.

[1:32:24] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[1:32:25] Aaron J Albano: That's exactly what Jay said. He was like, they're taking the Jew that doesn't get to go. It's like, yeah, that it felt very Nazi propaganda. Like we're dancing and singing, only four of you get to come with us.

[1:32:36] Hayley Podschun: What?

[1:32:37] Aaron J Albano: I know.

[1:32:38] Hayley Podschun: Um, the Smee—

[1:32:42] Aaron J Albano: Rude.

[1:32:43] Hayley Podschun: The little little garths are the Miss Smee's kids. They look like way too guards.

[1:32:49] Aaron J Albano: Oh, her old lady voice was way too much for me.

[1:32:53] Hayley Podschun: Oh, I love that one.

[1:32:57] Aaron J Albano: When they leave, I guess the island eradicates and it doesn't come back at all. Also, the dance defeating of the knights was my favorite thing.

[1:33:07] Hayley Podschun: So I love that number.

[1:33:10] Aaron J Albano: I love it. I love the number until it was a joke. It was a complete like spell to be like, now dance. I'm like, they were already dancing.

[1:33:21] Hayley Podschun: They're actively already dancing.

[1:33:23] Aaron J Albano: But they controlled their dance.

[1:33:25] Hayley Podschun: I thought it was cute.

[1:33:26] Aaron J Albano: That's called, that's called diagetic and non-diagetic dancing. I thought that's the best note from this movie that they pointed out, and we had to rewind. When Uma gives her the ember back, like gives Mal the Ember back, she puts it in a pocket that doesn't exist.

[1:33:43] Hayley Podschun: Oh, what do you mean?

[1:33:45] Aaron J Albano: The Ember back. And look, I'm wearing leggings with no pockets, takes the ember back and just goes, no pocket. And then please wait. I need you to go back. I need you to video this, and then once this releases, you tweet it because we all need to see it.

[1:34:03] Hayley Podschun: Yes, that's fierce. That's like when in High School Musical, how many bobby pins does Evie need in her crown when she gives true love's kiss? Because she does like bends down for true love's kiss, and it is a pageant curl.

[1:34:18] Aaron J Albano: She does that moment with like the red hat and then throws it away. Also, speaking of Bobby Collins, you can see the horse hair, like the black horse hair against a very light purple Dove Cameron hair. For like there was something that was on her head, and you could see like black horse cardboard or something. I was like, what a—

[1:34:37] Kevin Jaeger: Aaron, you had mentioned Audrey's kind of arc a little bit before. You want to talk a little bit more about that when it comes to kind of her being the villain of the third one?

[1:34:48] Aaron J Albano: Yes.

[1:34:49] Hayley Podschun: Oh, interesting.

[1:34:55] Aaron J Albano: I thought that like her arc was really beautiful because I thought it was really important to show young kids that like sticking to the path that you know worked for people older than you would not be like the brand new way to get through it. And like the fact that they let Audrey be like, I mean, there were moments of Audrey's like villainy that was just like girl, get it together.

[1:35:28] Hayley Podschun: It was a lot.

[1:35:29] Aaron J Albano: There was a lot of moments where it was like she's just a vindictive popular girl who didn't get to be the popular girl. And the fact that they played it the way they did play it was like really powerful to teach kids that like being the best girl doesn't mean you get everything, and that's okay. And like from the moment I saw Audrey in part three, and she had like blue and like purple dye in her hair, I was like, oh, she's not gonna get through this.

[1:36:04] Hayley Podschun: Okay, which I loved that design choice because the blue and the pink are the same colors that they kept switching Aurora's dress color at the end of the movie.

[1:36:15] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, and I was like, this is genius. The costume design is genius.

[1:36:20] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I didn't notice that. That's awesome.

[1:36:22] Aaron J Albano: I also moto jacket means bad.

[1:36:26] Hayley Podschun: I just really think I think I think her arc is really important because I think people need to realize that like what they're teaching from this arc is that like you cannot just guarantee your popularity by being the perfect wood.

[1:36:44] Aaron J Albano: Also, I just want to say that again, her grandma is a monster.

[1:36:51] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[1:36:51] Aaron J Albano: Her grandma is the catalyst for this whole thing. My one caveat to her journey in this movie is the end of the movie that I actually viscerally despise, is where she apologizes, and I think that's great. But then not only does she not have any consequences to what she did, but she also—there's an like the movie like shines a spotlight on Mal and Ben apologizing to her.

[1:37:31] Hayley Podschun: And I'm like, what are you apologizing for?

[1:37:34] Aaron J Albano: Because she—there's nothing that she—and I literally went through like I had—I took like 15 minutes to be like, what is she apologizing for? Or what are they apologizing for? And I was just like, there's nothing to apologize for here, because the only thing that they're apologizing for is her entitlement. And I was like, that's not great messaging here, because that then justifies that she actually deserved what she thinks that she deserves.

[1:38:06] Hayley Podschun: Well, like Kimberly said, one of the best lines in the movie, go to the island, was when Hades basically says, like, oh, she's not gonna go to the island because she's one of you, but we do something bad and we're sent there forever. Like that's the best line that that's kind of a mini throwaway line.

[1:38:23] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, point of the movie.

[1:38:25] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, that's exactly what happens.

[1:38:28] Aaron J Albano: Sorry, go—sorry, go ahead.

[1:38:32] Hayley Podschun: Oh no, I'm disagreeing.

[1:38:34] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:38:34] Hayley Podschun: Um, so in terms of the end of this one, uh, what's—do we like certain songs? Do we like certain characters, things like that?

[1:38:43] Aaron J Albano: I like that we got to see Ben as a beast.

[1:38:46] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, so my one note is beast mask, awful Japanese sheet mask.

[1:38:56] Aaron J Albano: It will be.

[1:38:58] Hayley Podschun: It was not a great mask. I'm glad that they got rid of it very quickly.

[1:39:01] Aaron J Albano: It was so bad.

[1:39:03] Hayley Podschun: Jay said that he wished that he kept his teeth so that there was still a little bit of like you can be bad and you're—

[1:39:03] Aaron J Albano: Yes, yeah.

[1:39:11] Hayley Podschun: Oh, the beard wig line was so bad in this one.

[1:39:15] Aaron J Albano: Oh, awful. His beard line, his fake beard was so terrible.

[1:39:21] Unknown speaker: I am only being summoned down for dinner.

[1:39:24] Hayley Podschun: Okay, before you go, rank these for us. One, two, three.

[1:39:29] Aaron J Albano: Oh, okay, great.

[1:39:31] Hayley Podschun: One, three, two.

[1:39:34] Aaron J Albano: I'm a one-three-two.

[1:39:37] Hayley Podschun: I'm one, three, two.

[1:39:38] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:39:39] Hayley Podschun: I'd say two, one, and three.

[1:39:41] Aaron J Albano: That's what I said, Aaron!

[1:39:43] Hayley Podschun: Interesting, interesting.

[1:39:44] Aaron J Albano: Two, one, three.

[1:39:45] Hayley Podschun: Um, also, before you leave, what's your guess for um percent on Rotten Tomatoes?

[1:39:52] Aaron J Albano: 70.

[1:39:53] Hayley Podschun: Three.

[1:39:54] Aaron J Albano: On three.

[1:39:56] Hayley Podschun: 70, you said?

[1:39:58] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:39:59] Hayley Podschun: Aaron?

[1:40:00] Aaron J Albano: 75.

[1:40:01] Hayley Podschun: I'd say like 78.

[1:40:03] Aaron J Albano: 62.

[1:40:04] Hayley Podschun: 78.

[1:40:04] Aaron J Albano: I think Aaron's cheating.

[1:40:05] Hayley Podschun: 78. That's the only one that I've won today.

[1:40:08] Aaron J Albano: It doesn't matter.

[1:40:09] Hayley Podschun: That's because you're upset you didn't win the first two.

[1:40:11] Aaron J Albano: Um, so that's a 78. So this actually, um, Rotten Tomatoes thinks it's one, three, two as well.

[1:40:17] Hayley Podschun: So I'm just saying—

[1:40:18] Aaron J Albano: Well, I guess so.

[1:40:19] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[1:40:20] Aaron J Albano: Um, idiot.

[1:40:20] Hayley Podschun: Well, on that note, um, trust me, my dear, that's how fast he'll leave you. I won't say I told you so.

[1:40:25] Aaron J Albano: No Rapunzel knows best. If he's such a dreamboat, go and put him to the test. If he's lying, don't come crying. Mother knows best.

[1:40:34] Hayley Podschun: Quote from Tangled, Mother Knows Best.

[1:40:37] Aaron J Albano: Um, but um, thank you all for joining us. I would personally like to say, uh, thanks for making me watch these. I really had a good time. This was similarly to Muppets, they definitely made my week better.

[1:40:50] Hayley Podschun: Um, but thanks for joining us again. Um, there's gonna be—if you're listening to Patreon, you've heard all the—you've heard and seen all the extra content. If you're listening to us on podcast, um, you have not seen the extra content, but there is on Patreon, um, some fun things.

[1:41:08] Aaron J Albano: Um, for those of you who listen, we talk 2.5 on Patreon.

[1:41:12] Hayley Podschun: Um, for those of you who heard it, you already know we talk 2.5.

[1:41:16] Aaron J Albano: Um, but thank you so much for joining us.

[1:41:19] Hayley Podschun: Um, don't forget you can find us on things like Spotify, iTunes, rate and review us there.

[1:41:25] Aaron J Albano: Five stars.

[1:41:26] Hayley Podschun: Five stars, please.

[1:41:28] Aaron J Albano: And thank you.

[1:41:29] Hayley Podschun: Thank you, Kevin.

[1:41:30] Aaron J Albano: Um, you can join us on, uh, Instagram. You can find all of us, uh, at Broadwaysted or Hayley Podschun and Aaron J. Albano on Instagram, um, Twitter.

[1:41:41] Hayley Podschun: You can join our Facebook group.

[1:41:42] Aaron J Albano: Again, our Patreon is doing a ton more content now, so check it out there.

[1:41:47] Hayley Podschun: But again, thank you so much. We'll let you know what we're going to watch for next time.

[1:41:51] Aaron J Albano: But as we end every episode, we raise a glass.

[1:41:53] Hayley Podschun: Cheers.

[1:41:54] Aaron J Albano: And we say zoo do up.

[1:41:58] Hayley Podschun: Cheers.

[1:41:59] Aaron J Albano: Thanks, everybody.

[1:42:00] Hayley Podschun: Bye.