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[0:00] Dan Tracy: I was going to make a stupid joke, Dan. What's the name of the woman who's got the late night radio show that's been on for 100 years? Delilah. Yeah, that's kind of what we... This is one of the latest that we've ever recorded a podcast. Yeah, that's good. It's late and so it's like, are we just... Good evening. You know, I like to use my Delilah voice. It's really special for me. Welcome to Guys Who Like Musicals. Welcome to Guys Who Like Musicals. Thank you for joining us. And a girl who also likes musicals and does not consider herself a jazz hands theater girl.

[0:37] Joe Carroll: Yes. This is our evening voice, as opposed to what it normally is. We're here with Jessica Vosk. She's done a few Broadway shows, including Wicked, Fiddler on the Roof, Finding Neverland, and The Bridges of Madison County, along with many other things. And we're gonna get into that after we sell you some stuff. Dang it, that was going really well until I screwed it up.

[0:57] Dan Tracy: Trust me. Now we're gonna sell you stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So an actor is saying his lines, and then out of nowhere, he just starts singing. Today is literally, you know, since it's the inauguration, I think everybody could day drink. Do you know what I mean?

[1:34] Joe Carroll: Right. Yeah. Yeah. I saw friends, Erica Henningsen posted this thing today where they were drinking rosé at like 10 o'clock in the morning.

[1:42] Dan Tracy: That seems right. That seems right. That's the party. That's the energy that I need going into 2021.

[1:46] Jessica Vosk: Yeah, that's the Merlot light. I didn't have that kind of energy, and I wish I did.

[1:51] Dan Tracy: What was your energy?

[1:52] Jessica Vosk: I was like fingers in mouth, like palms sweaty, like really making sure, like really praying and hoping that nothing bad was going to happen. And then it didn't.

[2:03] Joe Carroll: I did have that cautious optimism myself. I did.

[2:07] Jessica Vosk: We're conditioned to have that now, kind of. You know, we're conditioned for like everything to go wrong, sort of.

[2:13] Dan Tracy: Oh, yeah. After the past couple of weeks, you're just it's like a haunted house where you're ready for somebody to come out and just attack.

[2:24] Jessica Vosk: So the fact that everything went off without a hitch and that, you know, Hillary, Michelle and Kamala were all in different shades of purple sort of made this suffragette's day. And I was in it. I was really in it.

[2:40] Joe Carroll: Yeah, I did. I did get a little weepy when Kamala was doing her...

[2:45] Jessica Vosk: Oh, yeah.

[2:45] Joe Carroll: Getting sworn in.

[2:46] Jessica Vosk: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just couldn't help myself.

[2:48] Dan Tracy: Did you also, because the two of you are musicians, did you also get a little weepy when Garth Brooks breathed in Amazing Grace in the word amazing?

[3:00] Jessica Vosk: Because he was because he did like he was like, oh, amazing, great. And I was like, girl, girl,

[3:12] Dan Tracy: And I were texting about Gaga's phrasing.

[3:15] Jessica Vosk: Yeah, a little bit. Not to we don't love it. We're not going to trash people. But also the key was just like she was ready to hemorrhage for Kamala and Joe today.

[3:26] Dan Tracy: She was. And like, I feel like she and she would have gladly done it. But then, like, what's that surprise sneak to the left of JLo being so warmed up?

[3:35] Jessica Vosk: Like she was so warmed up, which I was not expecting for her to give us like, I'm sorry, a vibrato on God bless America. But then but then she was like, it's like she brought us back and she was just like, let's get loud. And I said, this bitch is taking a costume change. That's what that was. So I was there for all of it, except for the breath and amazing, which I'm going to take that with me for the rest of my life.

[4:01] Dan Tracy: I mean, I think it was great that Garth Brooks was there. But don't you think he could have dressed for the occasion?

[4:06] Jessica Vosk: I think that was his dress for the occasion, honey. And but but if he could have, I know he has more breath control. I know he has more support than that. You know what I mean? I think he's such a great singer, big fan. But you can't breathe in the middle of amazing. That's not that's a crime, actually.

[4:22] Joe Carroll: That's the one thing that I that I've said today. We have to take that and put it. We have to put it into the box and then close the box. And we don't talk about it.

[4:34] Jessica Vosk: Thank you. And that is what you need to know about today.

[4:40] Dan Tracy: That's it. Yeah. You know, what a wonderful day. Well, first of all, thank you for being here.

[4:44] Joe Carroll: Thank you for talking to us.

[4:45] Jessica Vosk: Thanks for having me.

[4:47] Dan Tracy: We're so excited to have you. And I mean, we just spent the last, like, probably half an hour before you got on just nerding out about all of the recordings.

[4:54] Joe Carroll: And, you know, I was we were just you should have seen me playing drums on nobody's side. You should have. You should have seen that.

[5:05] Jessica Vosk: Yeah, I wish I had seen that. It was it was a great performance. We're just we're huge fans of yours. And we're thrilled that you're here. And I guess my first question, this is and it's probably the question you get asked most, but I just would love I want to talk about your story, getting to Broadway, coming from the finance world, coming from Wall Street. I just think this is an amazing story.

[5:24] Jessica Vosk: It's an amazing story. And I just would love to kind of start at the beginning, because I don't think our listeners probably know what the hell I'm talking about. But it's a little wackadoodle.

[5:40] Jessica Vosk: It's a it's it is. It's like this. It's this weird story of like not ever going to musical theater school, but somehow winding up doing what I love in musical theater and by way of finance, which I still keep in contact with my colleagues from that finance job who are still like, maybe you'll make it. You know what I mean? But they don't know it. They're like muggles. They're just muggles to it all.

[6:07] Joe Carroll: Yeah. You know?

[6:07] Jessica Vosk: Yeah. But but I mean, do you want me to start at the very beginning?

[6:14] Dan Tracy: That would be amazing.

[6:15] Jessica Vosk: Sure. I mean, I grew up loving music. My parents are both super artistic. I'm from the Rolling Hills of New Jersey, and I grew up community theatering and doing all state choir and regions, big ups, doing like like absolutely loved everything about music theory and learning how to read music and ear training and all that kind of stuff.

[6:39] Joe Carroll: A real musician.

[6:39] Jessica Vosk: Yeah. I was just talking to a group of kids today and I said, y'all better know how to read music.

[6:43] Joe Carroll: That's right. Don't be like Dan.

[6:45] Jessica Vosk: Yeah. Don't be like Dan. But also Dan, we still love you. But I grew up loving it all. And I thought to myself that I certainly wanted to have a career in musical theater someday. And I went to the Hart School of Music at the University of Hartford in their musical theater program.

[7:05] Jessica Vosk: But I didn't gel with it for myself. I know a lot of friends of mine who did go and loved it. But I just kind of felt like I wanted to be out there in the real world doing it and not in a classroom. And I called my parents and said, I don't know if this program is right for me. Can I come home and figure it out? And my parents were like, come to a state school, buy you a car if you come to a state school in New Jersey.

[7:30] Joe Carroll: And thanks, Mom and Dad.

[7:32] Jessica Vosk: Thanks, Mom and Dad. That's some good, that's some good, um, like, uh, bribing, bribing, bribing you, basically, bribing, bribing you out of the arts. It was, it was like, choose a different major. Here's a Mitsubishi Spyderclipse convertible and champagne. And I took it and I said, you know, hey, kids, let's like, let's have that. And so, um, so I chose Montclair State University in North Jersey, in Montclair.

[7:57] Jessica Vosk: And I did communications, a degree with public relations and investor relations. And, um, I still, I took choir. That was like my one musical thing that I got to do. So I took choir and, and then I graduated with a degree in something completely non-musical theater or entertainment at all.

[8:19] Jessica Vosk: Um, and got a job six months before my graduation. I got a job in Manhattan, uh, in the Daily News building on 42nd and 3rd. And I started that job six months before I graduated and had to take a Friday afternoon off to go to graduate. I was like, guys, hey, clients, I have to go graduate. Um, but like, I was, I was like, Ann Taylor suits eight to 8am to 6pm. Like, you know, you're like, you wear your sneakers to Port Authority. And then once you get to work, you change into your, it's a very working girl, very like graduate McMuffin on the way, like, oh, it was awful.

[9:59] Jessica Vosk: But, um, but I was really good at it. And so I kind of excelled for like two and a half years working at this job and, you know, kept getting promoted and had my own wound up having my own office and delegating to staff, um, who were just coming in at entry level jobs after two and a half years. And I was doing my thing, but the entire time completely turned off and like X'd out anything having to do with music. So, and I didn't, I don't think I realized how bad that was at the time to do because then it manifested itself in like terror and anxiety.

[10:32] Joe Carroll: And I called my friends. It's not framed, but it should be because yeah, I'm probably gonna get that dirty and it should be framed. Thank you very much, Joe.

[10:37] Jessica Vosk: And I would, I would get to the office and have panic attacks and not know why. And I would just be sitting in my office, sweaty palms, shaking. My heart would go crazy. And I'd be like, well, I'm two steps from death and I don't understand why. Um, and then I was like, all right, Vosk, what, what are your body's trying to tell you something? And I got like this weird sign one day. I don't know if you guys believe in signs, but I had like paperwork and it fell. And this little note from my grandmother who had passed away was in there. And she's like, I wish you luck in everything you do. And I was like, I have to leave this job. And it still sits in my kitchen on my refrigerator. That little note, the piece of paper that I don't ever remember her giving to me falling out of my shit.

[10:43] Jessica Vosk: We'll send you a frame.

[10:45] Joe Carroll: Thank you so much.

[10:47] Jessica Vosk: But I was, I called my parents and I was like, I have to leave. My parents were like, that's not a good idea. Um, right.

[10:54] Dan Tracy: Are they muggles? Are they, are they regular folk?

[10:56] Jessica Vosk: They, my dad worked in pharmaceuticals. My mom's a realtor. And it was like for anyone out there in their 30s, like you're our parents or the generation baby booming generation of like you work and support your family. Even if you don't necessarily love what it is you're doing, you're putting food on the table and whatever. Like my dad's a fantastic musician. My mother was in graphic design, but they chose jobs that were lucrative and real people jobs. And that's kind of, I think where their brains went when I was like, I'm going to leave and try to be a singer.

[11:31] Joe Carroll: And my parents were like, abort.

[11:34] Jessica Vosk: And so they were like, you know, you have a 401k, you have health insurance, you have all these things. And I was like, but I like, I could probably die of panic and anxiety right now. So, so I started to like go to Birdland. I don't know if you guys would used to go on Monday nights when they had cast party, but I would go on a Monday and be like, Oh man, my stars and stripes. I'm gonna put my name on the list and hope that I get to sing. And so I would go there every Monday. I'd leave work. I'd wait, wait, wait, wait, wait until 11pm, go to Birdland, put my name on Jim Caruso's list. And like a couple of times he picked me and I was like, Oh, so I would network and meet people.

[12:17] Jessica Vosk: And then I don't want to say that this is a good thing, but the market crashed in like 07, 08, the real estate market. And that's when I, when I was like, you should lay me off you guys. Oh, that's what I did. Amazing. That's what I did. Yeah. And cause I couldn't quit and collect unemployment, but I could get laid off and collect unemployment. So it was one of those things where they were like, no. And I was like, but the market, so they like did me a solid.

[12:49] Jessica Vosk: And yeah, I just hustled my ass off. I didn't know my ass from my elbow. And I knew I had to take class and get into scene study and find a vocal coach and start networking and going to open calls. And I didn't know anything. And I babysat everyone's child. I could walk past somebody in Manhattan and be like, you look like you need a babysitter. I just needed to make ends meet. And I did all the things that people do when you're trying to figure out what you're doing.

[13:23] Dan Tracy: Totally.

[13:27] Jessica Vosk: I mean, most of us right now, right?

[13:28] Dan Tracy: Most of us right now.

[13:31] Jessica Vosk: I mean, it's a pivot. You're like, you know, and that's what 2020 has been. I think maybe that's why I have not been so fearful, I think, during this time as much as of a crazy pandemonium that it's been. I guess I like a pivot moment. If I have to pivot, I'll try and do some cool new shit. Because I don't know, I feel like fear can be a good thing. If you decide to stick your foot into that really, really cold water, you will figure it out. You'll figure out how to swim. Right. And that's such a good lesson, because that's like what everybody in the business is doing at every level, regardless of how we look at them and think that they're super successful. Everybody has that moment.

[14:25] Dan Tracy: Yeah. I mean, and I feel like maybe we've all had those. I mean, have the two of you had that light bulb moment in your life where you're at a crossroads and you can pick one way or the other way?

[14:30] Joe Carroll: So many times.

[14:35] Dan Tracy: Yeah. Countless.

[14:41] Jessica Vosk: Yeah. And I usually go in the middle.

[14:41] Dan Tracy: That's great.

[14:46] Jessica Vosk: And I try and do both things.

[14:52] Dan Tracy: Good, good, good, good, good. How has that worked for you, though, in your... Like, do you do both things or have you been like, oh, should have chosen the one?

[14:56] Jessica Vosk: This is good. This is a good... When it's not about a relationship.

[14:58] Dan Tracy: Oh, okay. Then it's good.

[15:04] Jessica Vosk: Okay. But if it's about a relationship, then probably more than one partner is probably not it. That's not the direction. I would say that's not, you know, we've all been there where you're like, yeah, well, they're in this state.

[15:13] Dan Tracy: Yeah. No, we're...

[15:15] Jessica Vosk: Yeah. Yeah. We're going to keep it.

[15:15] Dan Tracy: We're going to keep it to a one.

[15:19] Jessica Vosk: That's right.

[15:19] Dan Tracy: Yeah. I do think it's interesting just from our perspective, too, though, because to pause for a split second, because like Dan got his real estate license.

[15:24] Jessica Vosk: Oh my god, me too.

[15:27] Dan Tracy: Did you? Did you really?

[15:27] Jessica Vosk: Yes. Yeah, that's what I decided to do this pandemic.

[15:31] Dan Tracy: Oh, fierce. It was real estate school.

[15:33] Jessica Vosk: I just did my first deal.

[15:34] Dan Tracy: Oh my, excuse me.

[15:35] Jessica Vosk: In five days.

[15:37] Dan Tracy: Excuse me.

[15:38] Jessica Vosk: Yeah, seriously. You should hear that. This is a whole other story. We'll have another podcast about that.

[15:43] Dan Tracy: Dan may have sold a house in five days, but that's amazing.

[15:46] Jessica Vosk: Well, you know, you got my mom as a realtor. She's been asking me to do it for years. And you just kind of... What did I not have the time? I didn't have the time. Yes, of course I had the time.

[15:55] Dan Tracy: Totally. Totally.

[15:56] Jessica Vosk: And again, I'm a squirrel. So I'm going to... I'm literally the dog and Up. That's like I will. That's everything that I am. Yes. Congratulations, Dan.

[16:09] Dan Tracy: Thank you. Congratulations to you.

[16:12] Jessica Vosk: And then what's your... Just because I want to ask, there's a couple of actors who have done this. Max Clayton, who is on the show, has also done this and gave me my first referral, which is why I did a deal so quickly. And I was in Waitress with Mark Evans, and he also got his license in New Jersey. What's your plan?

[16:27] Jessica Vosk: I don't really know.

[16:28] Dan Tracy: For afterwards?

[16:29] Jessica Vosk: I have to be real. I have been very lucky to be so busy within our business still this past year that my point and my aim of getting the license anyway was just to be a referral realtor. Because, I mean, if I'm referring people to other realtors, you still collect a check. But I'm also really into selling shit. I'm really into being like, that fireplace is limestone in this brownstone, and she will work over time. I grew up with a mother who... I went to inspections all the time. So I know I have yet to take the big old steps to really figure out exactly what it is that I want to do. But I'm glad that I went to school in the first place because it's another skill. And to be quite honest, of course, we actors are good at it because we have to sell ourselves. And you know how to memorize lines. Memorize the story of a house. Memorize that, you know...

[17:38] Dan Tracy: Of course.

[17:38] Jessica Vosk: You're like, little Billy hit his knee on this one little thing. And that's why there's a thing of blood there, you guys. Like, look at this. It's so much to feature in this house. Personality. So anybody want, you know, come my way. I'm not selling anything. But, yeah. But, you know, it's a good thing. It's a good thing to have.

[17:58] Dan Tracy: That's awesome.

[17:59] Jessica Vosk: And that's so good.

[18:01] Dan Tracy: I think that this idea that you should find a pivot is something that I wish that I embraced earlier. I wish I understood how important all the other stuff I was doing was going to be.

[18:12] Jessica Vosk: So your first break...

[18:13] Dan Tracy: Yeah.

[18:14] Jessica Vosk: Wait, hold on. Well, let's go. Let's go back to Birdland.

[18:16] Dan Tracy: That's what I was doing.

[18:18] Jessica Vosk: Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

[18:18] Dan Tracy: God damn it, Joe.

[18:20] Jessica Vosk: Sorry, Dan. Dads don't fight dads.

[18:24] Jessica Vosk: The one thing I did want to say as far as pivots are concerned is like a lot of people have written me and been like, I'm too embarrassed to have to pivot. I feel like maybe I failed in some kind of way. But I don't believe in that mindset of failure. I just believe like, why are we... Why are you closing yourself off to learning a new skill? You're not hurting yourself by putting yourself out there even further. You know, I don't know. I think pivoting is really good. And sometimes we see that as a, oh, shit, I like, gosh, I didn't get the gig that I thought I was going to get. So therefore, now I need to do this. So I just I don't think I don't see it as a negative.

[19:05] Dan Tracy: Yeah.

[19:06] Joe Carroll: Hashtag Amen.

[19:07] Jessica Vosk: Yes. 100%.

[19:08] Dan Tracy: Could agree more.

[19:10] Jessica Vosk: Yeah. Couldn't concur more.

[19:13] Dan Tracy: Um, that's great.

[19:16] Jessica Vosk: You're hustling, you're working your job, praying that they lay you off and you're doing shows at Birdland, and then you get your break, which is a show at Carnegie Hall.

[19:26] Joe Carroll: Yeah.

[19:28] Jessica Vosk: And then that changed everything for you.

[19:29] Dan Tracy: How'd that happen?

[19:31] Jessica Vosk: Well, from singing at Birdland and networking, I met Alex Gemignani.

[19:35] Dan Tracy: Nice.

[19:35] Jessica Vosk: And then Alex, like, must have told his dad, Paul Gemignani, about me. And I was babysitting one night, I'll never forget it. And I was like, checking the computer, the kids were asleep. And I was like, I wonder if anybody wrote, you know, like, back in the day of like, did anybody? I am me. And so I, I then, you know, Dave Oscatori, I'm 16. Thanks. So I went on my email, and there was this message from Paul Gemignani. And I was like, oh my god, you know, I mean, he's legend.

[20:04] Dan Tracy: A legend.

[20:05] Jessica Vosk: Yeah. Legend.

[20:05] Dan Tracy: Legend.

[20:05] Jessica Vosk: So like, and way old school. So he just sort of wrote like, he was like, hey, kid, I hear you're a great singer. Here you have a really great voice. Are you classically trained? Can you read music? Are you a soprano? Get back to me. I was like, okay.

[20:24] Joe Carroll: Whoa.

[20:24] Jessica Vosk: I wrote him back. And I was like, yes, I am a soprano. I'm classically trained. I can read music. My name is Jessica. I mean, it was like, bizarre. And so he wrote back. He's like, I'm doing this gig with the gentleman from ABBA. And it's called Christina. And it's this sweeping orchestral piece. And it's like going to be a 40 to 50 piece orchestra at Carnegie Hall. Expect a call from such and such's office. And so I was like, oh, fuck, I haven't auditioned in a minute. And so I was preparing, like writing all the information down and casting office calls. And I was like, okay, trying to be super professional, like, yep, I live in New York. And where do I need to go? And they were like, oh, no, this is an offer.

And I was like, excuse. I mean, it was it was so insane. And then I was like, okay, universe. And I just remember, I got that gig in the ensemble of this Christina show. I didn't know anything about and I showed up to rehearsal in this room of like, people who have done a lot of work with Paul. And I went and sat down and he walked up to me with like his huge sunglasses that he's known for. He wears like major sunglasses. And he was like, I want you to sing this role. And I was like, oh, no, I'm in the ensemble. I was like, I'm thank you. But I think I think I'm going to blend. And he was like, no, you're going to sing this role. And I was like, I don't understand. So so it became this thing.

And since then, he's the one who taught me in mentorship, like being on time and being able to read music. And if you say you can, then you have to be able to read it. And if you're going to be late, then you can get fired. And I've watched him fire people. And and I just I he kept employing me after that. He kept bringing me in for demos or bringing me in for concerts or bringing me in for casting offices. And he like he took such a big chance on me. And I I'll never forget his kindness or how much he pushed for me. And he he told me he was so honest with me. He was like, you're not good at acting right now. Like you need to fix that. And I remember being like, I am leaving the business, right?

I hate myself and everything about myself. And I will actually throw up. And so it took me like three days to understand that he was trying to help me before I was like, okay, let me get into some acting classes. And and and yeah, he's the one who took a chance on me in a lot of ways.

[23:03] Joe Carroll: Just in case anybody doesn't know who Paul Gemignani was the conductor of A Little Night Music, Sweeney Todd, Evita, Assassins. I mean, every Sunday in the Park with George, Merrily We Roll On, Candide, everything, everything. The most recent She Loves Me.

[23:14] Jessica Vosk: Yeah, he's just he's the guy. It's like there's probably some bad metaphor in there for like, you know, it's like you're learning how to pitch and like Roger Clemens is teaching you how to throw a fastball. That's horrible. Dan, cut that out. But no, I mean, it's like, you know, Bill Belichick was like, you're the one I want you to be the running back for my team.

[23:32] Dan Tracy: And since I know sports so well also, I would agree.

[23:38] Jessica Vosk: Yeah, I can't. He's the man. That's an that is unbelievable. And just because Alex was working or saw you at Birdland and was like, she knows what's up.

[23:49] Jessica Vosk: Yeah, I had met Alex's wife. Her name is Erin Ortman. And at the time they were dating and she was, you know, sort of dipping her toe into the directing world. And I was like, well, if I'm going to leave finance and she was working, I think, at NYU at the time, maybe I can do like a little show before I leave finance if you direct it. And that's how we kind of all met. And I did not know that he even mentioned me to Paul. And subsequently, because Paul is Stephen Sondheim's right hand guy, it became like then I did company at the New York Philharmonic and then I did Merrily We Roll Along at City Center and, you know, had these experiences. And Paul would be like, OK, you're coming in and she knows how to read music and blah.

And he was the one that kind of taught me like either, you know, it's all or nothing, strong and wrong. And then you're in the room with Patti LuPone and this, like, huge cast of characters for company at New York Philharmonic and watching these people work and watching Paul Gemignani yell at Patti LuPone like, get your shit together. And she's like, OK. And you're like, what? So it's like it's a master class in everything. And you're watching her sing Ladies Who Lunch and like a mouth agape. And that was class for me, too. I mean, I think he knew that, though.

[25:11] Dan Tracy: Right. That's so cool. That is so cool. What a cool story. And then we chug along.

[25:20] Jessica Vosk: Oh, we chug. And how does I mean, Bridges in Madison County. Yeah. Comes comes up. You're based on our research. You're 30 years old.

[25:29] Joe Carroll: Oh, God. Yeah. Like what? First of all, that's one of my favorite scores. I know. I know.

[25:39] Jessica Vosk: I know. I remember sitting in the theater weeping. Oh, yeah. That show was amazing.

[25:45] Dan Tracy: It was just... How did that come about? Was that just a regular audition? Or what was the story with that?

[25:49] Jessica Vosk: Yeah. I mean, honestly, I... First of all, when I tell... Like, 30 is basically geriatric at this point to get your Broadway debut. I mean, let's be real. People are like graduating college and they're like, I've already done six tours. I mean, now I'm like, okay, I'm 30 and making my Broadway debut, which for me, I didn't think I was old. But then I was like, how old are you? And they're like, I'm 22. I was like, that is so great. So I had... I just like received a call from... You guys remember Abby Brady at Telsey?

[26:21] Joe Carroll: Yep.

[26:24] Jessica Vosk: And I guess like, maybe a couple of years before that, I had gone to an open call for Spider-Man or Wicked or something. And she called and she was like, I kept your headshot because I really liked you. And I didn't know... So that... Hey, kids.

[26:40] Joe Carroll: Wow.

[26:41] Jessica Vosk: You might not do... You might not get the role that you go in for, but they might keep your shit. So she took my headshot and she called and she was like, I think you might be right. Your voice might be right for this show and just come in. It was the craziest audition maybe of my life. She can attest to that. Bart Sher can attest to that. I love him to pieces, but he put me through it in the room. And I remember leaving the audition and being like, well, I did not book that.

[27:14] Joe Carroll: Right.

[27:15] Jessica Vosk: Oh, man. But I booked it. And it was... I was a swing and I didn't understand what that meant at the time. But it meant that I had to cover six, I think, roles, which I will never do again. Because I find that to be probably the most incredibly skillful job and hardest job on Broadway. And the actual smarts and talent of someone is not me for me. I remember being like, okay, I wrote it. I highlight it. And then they were like, okay, you're on. And I was like, for what? I couldn't... The dance captain, Hey, Tim, had to walk me around and be like, you enter here. And I'd be like, thank you. Like, I did not. Not for me.

[28:03] Joe Carroll: It's the hardest job.

[28:04] Jessica Vosk: Oh, my God. But I spent so much time with the creatives. And in the back of the theater, I learned so much about what it took to put a show together from scratch. What it took to watch somebody lead a show, what it took to watch Jason write a show and put it together. And it was really incredible. And then I made my debut in one of the principal roles, which was originally Whitney Basher, who's amazing. And the night that I sang this one of the songs we produced called Another Life, Jason happened to conduct that night. And that's how we became really good friends. Because he happened to conduct, which he never did. And I happened to sing that night. And then he and I started singing and working together.

So it's just it was really cool that that score remains one of my favorites. Just to even listen to and introduce people to because it was such a Broadway niche. You know, everybody who every Broadway person was so down to see that show and it commercially was not didn't work. But it was cool to see the Broadway community come out and be like, Oh, my God, this score is so.

[29:15] Joe Carroll: Yeah.

[29:19] Jessica Vosk: Damn good. If you need something for a long car ride, just start at the beginning.

[29:23] Dan Tracy: Right. Yes. The themes of it. It's just like it's a it's a it's almost like a classical piece, you know?

[29:29] Jessica Vosk: Totally. Totally. So it was cool. That is unbelievable. And that was my like, you know, like, hey, hey, casting people, you know, now I now you know who I am.

[29:41] Dan Tracy: And to clarify.

[29:48] Jessica Vosk: Go ahead, Dan. You didn't have representation.

[29:48] Jessica Vosk: I had just gotten representation because I did this concert at the San Francisco Symphony of West Side Story, and I played Anita. And out of that, I got representation because it was this huge like we got nominated for a Grammy. I don't even remember. I was like, what? And I thought like at the time I was like, this is my big break. That wasn't it. That was not it. But I did get representation out of it. And that kind of helped me get in the room a little bit. But after that, I subsequently found new representation and kind of, you know, you want different things. The farther you go along, you're like, okay, now I want to now I want to do this or now I want to try this. And totally, it was kind of a fast snowball effect of how it all happened for me up to this point.

From having left finance to four Broadway show or I don't I think four Broadway shows to now, which and each one of them was so different and taught me so many things that I feel like this is the place I'm supposed to be or this. It taught me like, well, thank God you left that job.

[31:06] Joe Carroll: Right.

[31:12] Jessica Vosk: That's amazing. That's so that's that's I just love I love to hear that that, you know, so so rarely in life I feel like people can sit in a place and be like, oh, I'm where I'm supposed to be.

[31:17] Dan Tracy: Yeah.

[31:17] Jessica Vosk: Or like this is a stress that I'm OK with if I am nervous or if I have anxiety or panic. I know that I actually love what I'm doing versus being unsure and I feel like our bodies know that somehow our bodies are like, oh, cool, you're going to make your Broadway debut. Like it's that's OK that you're freaking out right now and you have a heart rate of 700. Go do it, girl. You know, use that.

[31:35] Joe Carroll: Yeah. A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

[31:47] Dan Tracy: Well, we'd love to. I mean, all of these these projects and everything you've done, you know, has been so different. We'd love to do a deep dive on one of them. If there's one that if there's one that you is there one that comes to mind?

[32:02] Jessica Vosk: Probably Fiddler.

[32:02] Dan Tracy: That's how I figured out I sort of was introduced to you. I saw that show and remember you as from Sarah and like what the hell high note was happening in that in that whole nightmare thing.

[32:16] Jessica Vosk: Nightmare. She's you're flying above the thing. And it's the highest, highest note that everyone's ever heard. And I was like, who is this person? Go to the playbill. OK. You know what I mean? So anyway, you're you're my you're my from Sarah, I guess is what I'm saying.

[32:29] Jessica Vosk: Thank you so much. I mean, you know how many times I hear like you're my Elphaba, but like to hear you're my from Sarah's like that's deep. That's the joke. That was the joke. Thank you for getting it.

[32:37] Dan Tracy: That's God. Thank God someone that I will never forget, like in BART will still say to the states of BART share directed Fiddler as well. And I remember going in for from Sarah and I was like, hey, Vosk, go big or go home like this bitch is crazy and she's dead and she's pissed. And so I went into the audition room and I choked the reader like I like not for real, real. But I like BART will still talk about it. He's like, she choked the reader. And like, I went in there and I was like, and I just went nuts and literally choked, literally put your hands around the neck of the reader.

[33:06] Jessica Vosk: Yes. Amazing. Yes.

[33:20] Dan Tracy: And I'm yeah, it was soft assault. And and so I got I booked from Sarah and understudied Golda. And once I got into that room, it was kind of like, you know, like you're doing a Broadway show, but you feel like you're doing a play because it's it's like deep scene work. It's deep. Like we had one or two weeks of Jewish studies. Like we had to learn about Jewish traditions and religion and everything.

[33:48] Jessica Vosk: I mean, I'm Italian, but like same, you know, I learned like Italian hands, Jewish hands.

[33:59] Dan Tracy: So right. So but we learned a ton. We had a rabbi come in. We had teachers from universities come in and go through all this stuff because BART loves to do that. And I appreciated it so much. But it also felt like, oh, fuck, like wait, I'm allowed to curse on this podcast.

[34:16] Joe Carroll: Oh, yeah.

[34:16] Jessica Vosk: Oh, thank you. Like Danny Burstein was Tevye. And God, like what if I ever went on with him as Golda like that? He's like supreme actor. The legend. Phenomenal. Yeah. And so I like that was a pee my pants, like a moment of of learning really what acting was and how simple, you know, I told a student today, they said, like, what's the what's an antidote that you could tell us? And I said, do less. And it's crazy because you think on stage you're supposed to like reach the max, you know, of the theater with your craziness. But that show taught me it was much the opposite. It was in the Broadway theater, which was massive. But if you watch Danny act, it was very simple. And Jessica Hecht, who played Golda, who I adore, was wildly simple.

[35:19] Joe Carroll: Yeah.

[35:19] Jessica Vosk: And and so is from a Sarah, you know, she was like wildly simple and like big ups to my my favorite stagehand, Hank, Hank Hale, who had to stand under my from a Sarah thing and push me around. And and every now and then he'd trip over his ankle. And so you'd hear it. I'd be like, what is this about? And it was just so thank you, Hank. And like but he had he couldn't even see he was like literally pushing this contraption around.

[36:01] Dan Tracy: Wow.

[36:01] Jessica Vosk: And. One day during the wedding in Act one, when the fight happens, Jessica Hecht got punched in the face and I had to go on in Act two.

[36:08] Joe Carroll: Whoa.

[36:08] Jessica Vosk: And I thought they were joking when stage management came in and I was like in my dressing room, like doing my nails or something. And they were like, you're on. And I was like, get out, get out. And they're like, no, you're really on. I was like, no. And so, yeah, there's nothing crazier than a different Golda entering for Act two to sing. Do you love me? Like, do you love me? Who are you? The poor audience clapped. They were like, oh, honey. As I entered, I was like, hey, had you done it before?

[36:46] Joe Carroll: That's amazing.

[36:46] Jessica Vosk: No, that was the first time you went on.

[36:46] Dan Tracy: Was it intermission?

[36:51] Jessica Vosk: It was. Wow. Yeah. And then, you know, subsequently, I believe I believe she was out for a little while, just getting better and healing. And I wound up going on quite a bit. Either she took vacation or she when she was healing from that injury. And it was one of the coolest. Things to act opposite of Danny. It just it just was he's there's no one like him and there's no one more generous and and you don't find that too. I mean, we everybody is a family in any Broadway show that we do or any company that you're a part of. But he's sort of has always taken it to another level. So I felt I felt very lucky to have done that show. And then, of course, when Bart Barshier knew I would be on, like you would follow me around and I'd be like, bro, I'm freaking out, bro. So but but, you know, again, the wisdom I've gained from him as a director and and a friend are, you know, probably paramount to who I am today.

[38:03] Dan Tracy: That's so great. That's so great. I mean, just watching, you know, I mean, from Paul Gemignani to to Danny Burstein to I mean, just just keep your eyes open. You know, it feels like, you know, and you just don't know when you're going to learn shit. You know what I mean? Like you don't realize until after the fact after you're in it and then you have some time away from it and you realize all this stuff that you take with you that you didn't think about before. And I guess it's kind of the blessing of really being in the moment. I'm not so good at that. Sometimes I love to try and control everything. It's one of my specialties.

[38:28] Jessica Vosk: And but things like that have taught me to actually understand, like, look, look at what's happening right now. And just work from this moment because you don't know what you're going to have for lunch tomorrow. And stop acting like you do. Like, stop trying to. No, just live in the moment, girl. And if you try and control too much and force things and you're not like available, then you can't actually learn the thing that is happening in front of you. You know, that opportunity. Yeah, I had somebody tell me about manifesting lately. And they were like, if you can, if you can see and visualize what it is that you want, the only thing stopping you is you saying that you can't get it. Like anytime that you have self-doubt, or you're not living in the moment, it's like putting a little, you know, dagger in that path of getting what it is that you want.

And I think that's pretty cool. Because oftentimes, I'll be like, well, I'm too short for that shit. But right. Why? You know, right, right. Totally get it. What would you say has been the greatest challenge of your career so far? Oh, God. I wonder if that's too full. Yeah, this conversation with Joe and Dan. I love that question. I love that question. Um, sometimes it's being a woman in the middle of it all. I mean, I guess I mean, truly the most challenging role is Elphaba. I don't think I'll, I mean, that is the most insane thing I've ever done for almost two years. And so I mean, she's pretty chill, you know, from the makeup to the songs. It's like lullabies. You know what I mean, Joe? You were so clean.

I think that you're like one of my favorite Elphabas. And I had to say this at some point in the interview, because it's so it sounds so effing easy. Well, but it obviously wasn't. No, no. I mean, it's like this trial and error thing of being on tour. You know, and usually what I have found is I think they start people in the ensemble and it's sort of it's like being in any other company where they like start you out in, you know, Google and you're like now you like you deliver pop tarts and then you become a Google, you know, tech person. And that's how like you're in the ensemble and then you understudy Elphaba and then you become a standby. And then so a lot of people know the company beforehand, and I came into it totally new.

So being on the road was helpful because I had to learn how to do that show, you know, eight times a week. I did. And usually I did a solid seven because that's what I believe it should be. But I also am a vocal health nut and I don't believe in killing yourself just to prove a point, I guess, and never do anything again, because I think it's possible. And I know that I mean, I lived life like a nun. It was just me and my dog. And that was like who I had like mime conversations with when I got back because I don't really get done with Elphaba. And you're like, at least I was like, OK, I'm done for the night. And then I would get home to my dog and be like, hey, friend, how have you been? Like, do you want to go on a walk?

You know, the dog's like, talk to me. Come on. Where have you been? Well, and then also you're like, thank God I have a dog because all he cares about is like, woman, can we go out for a walk? And then you're forced to be like, all right. They force you to like be in the moment and feed them and keep them alive. And so that's what tour life was for me. And then figuring out like, oh, we went from D.C. in winter to Florida. And then you're like, oh, I have to now belt defying gravity and 80 degrees. And it was just 12 degrees. And all that shit is a factor in totally in touring. So I had to learn all of that stuff. And then doing the Broadway company was even harder. You think it might not be, but it is so much harder.

Um, why do you think that is? Because like the pressure of where you are and it being in the city or. Well, no, I actually think the physicality of it, because it's a raked stage, it's not raked on tour. And the stage on Broadway is it's the last legal like it was considered legal when they built it. And the height of it is no longer legal. You cannot. That's right. A stage like that. You cannot pitch the stage that that high anymore. I have. Yeah. Somebody told me that. That's. Yeah. And my knees know it. I mean, you just like you have to learn how to deal with your body. And then on tour, since you traveled the entire set, there's no electrics unless it's the cherry picker that you're going in.

But there's no elevator for no good deed. There's no there's no extra set of stairs in the front. So you don't actually have to run off stage and go anywhere on tour. But on Broadway, you have to run off stage, run through the stage, go down a set of steps, go through the orchestra pit and then come back up and do it in 15 seconds. And so you're kind of like, yeah, I worked with a physical trainer. I worked with a trainer for months beforehand because I was like, let's get it together because I need to carry a 40-pound dress. Crazy. So it's not. And then, of course, it was the 15th anniversary. So it was extra added like right. 7 a.m. You have this 1 p.m. You have this and then you have two shows.

Wow. Yeah, it was it was crazy. It was crazy that that was a huge challenge. That's one of those things we've talked to a lot of people. And, you know, we've a lot of friends who've played that role that there's kind of like before Elphaba and after. Yes, there is. Yes, there is. From a vocal standpoint, from a physical standpoint, from a career standpoint. I mean, from a mental standpoint. Yeah. Yeah. It's very it will challenge you in more ways because there are very many moving parts. Right. That you don't know going into it. And so it does. You know, it's a support group that we all have where you're like, unless you've played it, you don't know exactly what goes into the real deal ins and outs of it.

And so thank God for having people there who understand just how hard it is, because afterwards it does. It's it takes an adjustment. I remember the show I did after Wicked. I didn't understand how to do things, you know, because you're just right. You come into a show that's already set. And then, you know, then I did something completely new and I was like, cannot come. Am I a bad person? I mean, I think I was like, I'm the worst actor ever. So it's all it's really crazy. It's just wild. Well, where I feel like this has been the fastest we're getting to the end and this has been like the fastest. Am I boring? No. Like all of a sudden, like, I was like, what are you going to say right now? This is the best interview we've ever had.

Are you about to say something? No, I'm not at all. It's 45 minutes. Delilah Voskis is here giving us just absolute gold after gold with beautiful tone through this perfect microphone. We should do this for days. I know. I know. I know. This is my new microphone that I bought this pandemic. I'm really proud of her. Yes. And that's great. I'm not allowed to say this because I make about transitions and shows because I always I'm like, oh, here's a nice transition to a new part of our show. And my mom has told me that I'm not allowed to do that anymore, but I'm going to do it again. Here I am doing it because this is a good transition to your podcast because you started a podcast recently. You haven't. That's why you sound so good is because you have your own gear.

What is this podcast? It sounds amazing. Let me tell you. So Jen Simard, who's like, of course, an incredible colleague of ours and Tony nominated whatever she like loves true crime. I'm obsessed with true crime. Like, I think I don't know. Like, I feel like I'm kind of weird. Like, I feel like maybe maybe I've done something in a past life to people. My sister is obsessed. Yeah. My favorite murder. All of them. I have all of the shows. I know it's a problem. Yeah. Is it OK, Joe? I think it's OK. But like, yeah. So we were like, why don't we put a podcast together called Killing It on Broadway where we get an actor friend of ours from a specific state to talk about a true crime in their state?

And then it just like so happened when I asked Kristen Chenoweth about coming on. She was like, oh, my God, I was supposed to be in that murder scene. And that is what's crazy about this specific murder that I'm talking about. And I was like, what the fuck? I mean, she was supposed to be at the actual murder. So it became like people who knew about the shit they were talking about. She chose something called the Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders, and she was one of the Girl Scouts. And so, you know, we've it's been so fun to do just because you don't know, like people who are from all over the place who we know and love as Broadway actors and they have affinities and love for true crime is because like they grew up in San Francisco where the Golden Gate Killer was.

And we just had Sarah Silverman the other day talking about a case in New Hampshire. And it's like, you know, it's really it's kind of nice to be able to say to people like you have such an amazing career and we don't care about that. Like, let's talk about this like murder. And it's also but it's also like somewhat bizarre. Jen and I are like, are we bad people? So but it's kind of been fun to do during this time, because otherwise, as you well know, when will we have the time to do it? Right. So a hundred percent, a hundred percent. That's so cool. We'll check it out anywhere because it's I mean, also, Sarah Silverman was your last guest. Not a big deal. Right. So cool. I have such a lady crush.

I have such a crush on her. She's I've always had a huge crush. Oh, my God. She's so like I love someone who just tells it like it is. And and she's cool. I was like, so when did you get into your crime? She's like, I don't really like it. I was like, OK, well, good start. Yeah. Yeah. Too funny. We have a new segment that we want to introduce for the first time today. And it is called OK, Ask the Guys. Oh, and this question came in a couple of days ago. And then when I started researching about your career and your life, I was like, what a perfect question for Jessica Vosk. So this question is from Ryan. Ryan is a first time, long time. Love that. What did you say? Ryan's a what? First time, first time caller, long time listener.

First time, long time. Hey, Ryan. Hi there. My name is Ryan. I'm a long time listener, big time fan. Love your podcast. Thank you for all you do. My question today is it's my understanding that the way most performers get their representation is through their college showcase. My question is, how would people who didn't get their education, didn't go to college, what's the best or easiest or safest or anything way to safely get representation, trusted representation? I know that's a big factor in the industry and getting seen. So, yeah, that's what I was wondering. Actually, this is a great question. I just want to say, like, I love that he used the word safest. Yeah, well, because that was interesting.

We talked to somebody recently who said that you want to make sure that you're not setting kids up with meetings with creeps. Absolutely. My mind went to like, oh, don't go to an alleyway. You know what I mean? Like, that's where my mind went. Because again, somebody listens to a little bit too much true crime. Like, guys, I went to this alleyway right across the street from Chelsea. Totally. Here's my thing. I guess and maybe this is just my opinion. And it's that when you have the wonderful experience and luck of being in school and being in a program and having the tools at your disposal that they give you at the end of a program to go and have these showcases, you are being put in front of agents and managers alike.

And but you're still graduating college and you're not really sure what you're saying yet. And I feel like give yourself a little bit of credit by getting yourself out there by yourself at first. I've always been told, like, don't move to L.A. until you have a job there that brings you to L.A. to go shoot. Otherwise, what are you doing? Or, you know, don't hurry up and get your equity card right away because then you won't have any. You can't work on any non-equity shows.

[51:18] Jessica Vosk: If they have not gone to a musical theatre program or a theatre program at all and you're trying to find representation, get some things under your belt first. Do a couple of regional shows or do a showcase in New York of your own or put a concert together or do a nymph show once life comes back. There's these festival circuits and then you can invite people to come and see you and get to know what you're all about. And also when it comes to networking, which I'm a huge proponent of, which is why I used to go to these open mic nights, is you will meet people. And when you meet people, and you get the chance to say, "Hey, you know, by the way, it was so great to meet you. Is it okay if I pick your brain about, you know, who you think are the best people to speak to as far as representation is concerned?

Do I need an agent right now?" You know, it's very easy to go to actorsequity.org and find out where the auditions are happening. And it's nice, the more people you get to meet within our circuit, the smaller it becomes. And people always want to give you really good advice. At least that's how I view the world. I always want to introduce my friends to who I think are stand-up individuals and the best of the best because I feel like it's my duty to pay it forward. But I feel like a lot of kids right now have so much pressure to try and make things happen because we've never been through what we're going through right now. And everybody is going to feel very shot out of a cannon and like, they're not working fast enough, or they're not doing enough.

And it's okay to just be where you are and get the experience that you feel is good for yourself. So that by the time you meet an agent or go to a... I mean, I would go to agent... Remember those show... not showcases, but remember the auditions for agents that Equity used to have? Like, you would show up, wait in line, get a card, and then come back later that day and audition for agents. So there's also those things that happen that Equity does, which I appreciated because I got a bunch of meetings with agents. But there are ways to do it through networking, and you don't have to feel like you need to have an agent right out of the gate. Does that make sense? Am I weird?

[53:33] Dan Tracy: Yeah. No. I love that so much. And we actually have the same agent at Artisan Representatives.

[53:42] Jessica Vosk: Oh, you have Ben?

[53:43] Dan Tracy: Yeah. And Ben is the greatest guy. And he said... I got so nervous the first time somebody asked me to pass their information along to my agents. They're like, "Hey, would you mind sending my stuff along?" And Ben was like, "Anytime anybody asks you that, you know, within reason, just send it. And say yes and send it because I'll take it from there. You don't have to worry about it." A lot of the networking stuff is like, good people want to help good people. So if you hang around long enough, and you get to know some people, people want to help people. So like...

[54:16] Jessica Vosk: Totally, you know, I don't know. And the way I would answer the question is just that one of the best things you can do right now is to put yourself out there. And that's hard. It's a double edged sword. Because if I put myself out there too hard when I was 23, it could have been bad. Because I wasn't ready.

[54:38] Dan Tracy: Can you elaborate on that? Okay.

[54:39] Jessica Vosk: I don't know why I started laughing, but like...

[54:42] Dan Tracy: He knows.

[54:43] Jessica Vosk: I just know you from forever. And it's like, if you would have put yourself out there really hard at 23, it would have been...

[54:51] Jessica Vosk: I would have been a real estate agent much faster. But the point being, like, you know, you became a household name for me because you did a video of "You Matter to Me" with Zach Resnick. I knew, I like, listened to that so many times. I like, I knew your name was right at the top of my tongue all the time.

[55:10] Dan Tracy: You and my dad.

[55:12] Jessica Vosk: Can we watch the "You Matter to Me"? I'm like, that was 700 years ago when I was blonde. But yes, yes, yes, yes.

[55:17] Jessica Vosk: All the time. And I see kids all the time now, like, that just... There's a couple of kids from Michigan who I follow because I've gotten to talk to them and go back to talk to them. And I don't know whether or not they got agents at a showcase. But I can tell you for a fact that right now they have like 300,000 followers on TikTok. And that isn't worth nothing. And I know I talk about TikTok a lot on this show. But if it's not TikTok, it can be YouTube. Just having stuff to be like, "Yeah, hey, I'm singing in this concert at like, you know, my mom's work party." You know what I mean? It doesn't matter what it is. It's just like, here I am doing my thing.

[55:53] Dan Tracy: The socials now are so like, there's a fucking Bridgerton musical now for anybody who's like, and I love Bridgerton. So now I'm like, all right, I'm gonna audition. Like I'm ready for like...

[56:05] Jessica Vosk: So I completely understand. Like one of the things I did in the pandemic was my friend Scott Hoying, who is one of the...

[56:13] Dan Tracy: Pentatonix.

[56:14] Jessica Vosk: Pentatonix, you know, founder. He was like, should we do a Joe Exotic, Carole Baskin, like parody? And we did. Like that was a thing that we did this pandemic. And of course, now people are like, "Oh, man, I recognize you from the Joe Exotic thing." And I'm like, that's... Oh, okay. I've also done some other stuff too.

[56:34] Dan Tracy: Yeah, like, okay. But like, but you know, that like, I understand the stuff that sticks. So it's true. I always tell people like, find something fun that is gonna actually stick with people. Like nobody thought Ratatouille was going to become a musical and raise a shmajillion dollars because of TikTok. So I'm... But again, I'm 800 years old now. You get it, Dan.

[56:58] Joe Carroll: Joe knows I get it. I get it. But, you know, and the writer of the Ratatouille musical, who wrote the grocery store musical in the summer that went viral in June and July, he just signed with CIA.

[57:12] Jessica Vosk: Of course he did.

[57:13] Joe Carroll: And but the thing I wanted to highlight about what you said is that like, it's find like the joy. See, the problem with me is what I would have been doing is like singing, you know, the darkest song from Les Mis possible is what I would have been putting on TikTok, you know? It's like, make sure that there's like a level of like, playful entertainment. It's like 22. Probably the best advice. 22 year old Dan coming off the American Idiot National Tour should not be Javert, you know, like, but that's the shit he would have been doing, you know?

[57:42] Jessica Vosk: What would 22 year old Joe have been doing? Like, would you have been like singer? Like, would you have been like a brooding singer song? Like, like in it, in your emotions?

[57:52] Joe Carroll: I've always wanted to be a musician, like a serious musician. So that probably would. But like, I've what I loved about once was a bit of a I don't get out of jail free card kind of because I got to like, learn all the music in my in my room and not show anybody and then have the permission to go perform it in one of the coolest musicals ever. So putting yourself out there on YouTube is the scariest thing. I hate I've never done it. I don't I anybody who does do it hasn't. I have an incredible amount of respect for it because it's terrifying.

[58:22] Jessica Vosk: Oh, I don't I don't I don't do it. I sit in my room and play the guitar. That's what I do. And so if you have the means to put yourself out there, God good on you. But I also I'm like, I think that I mean, honestly, I agree with you. I put a Christmas EP out this past year, like of covers. And I still was like, can I be sponsored by Dependence? Like, I was just like the worst. Like, you know, you're you're you don't want to you know what I mean? Like, you don't want to feel like you've you've really hurt yourself. But but again, if you don't do it, then you'll never know what the fantastic possibility could be. I mean, this chick who wrote the Bridgerton thing like she first of all, fantastic songwriting capability and voice.

And she was like, I did not think I thought I was going to like make this one little parody thing. And now people are actually calling me as far as like representation to make this happen. Because of a TikTok video on a fake British accent, bitch, that was fantastic. Her sister was a musical theater performer who's done really well. And this is the younger sister. And she has sold all of her albums through TikTok. Like this girl who wrote this thing has like become I think she has half a million followers or something or more. She's like been become like a recording artist in L.A. fully through TikTok. She's only like 19 or something. Same. She's like, oh, my life is so crazy because of TikTok.

[59:41] Joe Carroll: Yeah. Yeah. So we can move on from that. What as we're really getting to the end now, and this truly has been one of the best conversations we've ever had. So we are so, so grateful. Seriously, all of all of it. I always ask what's your unreachable star, which is basically what are you pointed towards in the future? Is there something that you're like, oh, my God, I absolutely want to blank.

[59:59] Jessica Vosk: I absolutely want to voice a Disney character.

[1:00:18] Joe Carroll: Yes. Apps of King Lutely. Let's manifest that.

[1:00:23] Jessica Vosk: She oh, I had a phone call the other day and I was like, "Hey, you guys work with Disney." Like I mean, like the once the word Disney came into my mind this year, everybody I talked to like, "Hey, you guys work with Disney or to play Fanny Brice in Funny Girl." But that's like that's it, you guys. But that's definitely going to happen.

[1:00:37] Joe Carroll: See, that's happening.

[1:00:40] Jessica Vosk: I honestly will do it in my living room. Who do I call? You know what I mean?

[1:00:44] Joe Carroll: Call everybody.

[1:00:44] Jessica Vosk: I will do it with no pants right now. Like let's do it on TikTok.

[1:00:48] Joe Carroll: Let's do it.

[1:00:49] Jessica Vosk: Yeah, that's going to be the TikTok that listen, let's let's do it. I think that's a TikTok trend I can get behind.

[1:00:55] Joe Carroll: OK, me too.

[1:00:57] Jessica Vosk: Yeah, that's amazing. You're going to do both of those things. You can do both of those things.

[1:01:01] Joe Carroll: Yeah, why not?

[1:01:02] Jessica Vosk: Of course you are.

[1:01:03] Joe Carroll: Come on, put it out there. Listen to that voice. Back to the Christmas EP, your cover of "River." My wife, Alex, you and my wife.

[1:01:09] Jessica Vosk: You better tell your wife I say hi.

[1:01:11] Joe Carroll: Yeah, she says hello.

[1:01:13] Jessica Vosk: You got Alex Gemignani. You guys did a concert together because Alex Gemignani is obsessed with you both, which I love. She was like, your cover of "River" is complete fire.

[1:01:24] Joe Carroll: It's good.

[1:01:24] Jessica Vosk: It is so good. It is, you know, all year round. So just because the holidays are over, listen to it. Please tell her I'm such a fan of hers. I had the best time doing that, like, birthday party that we did for Sondheim and James Lapine and Bernadette Peters. Why? You know what I mean? Wow. Such a weird gig, you guys. Who does that? And Bernadette was like, this is so good. And it was like the entirety of the prologue of Into the Woods. But Alex nailed it. She was our Cinderella. But I digress. She was fantastic. Amazing. Amazing.

[1:02:59] Dan Tracy: This was this has been so great. We can't thank you enough for being on here. I'm so glad that we got to do this. I would have you on the show every week. You are the best. You're welcome to back anytime you want. How can people find you in the world?

[1:03:15] Jessica Vosk: You know, just search Jessica Vosk and you'll find some questionable Twitter activity. But that's because I love a good fight. But also, I love your Twitter.

[1:03:24] Dan Tracy: Thank you.

[1:03:26] Jessica Vosk: Yeah, it's great. She loves a I like to I'm like the little housewife that could. I just I love to stir the pot a little bit. Turn the butter. She's an opinionated. She's an opinionated lady. But yeah, I'm on I'm on all the socials minus the talk that ticks. But I get sent a lot of stuff often from TikTok that I'm in. And so sometimes I think of joining and then sometimes...

[1:03:49] Dan Tracy: Perhaps this is the moment.

[1:03:56] Jessica Vosk: Well, maybe we can do a duet on TikTok.

[1:03:59] Dan Tracy: Done.

[1:03:59] Jessica Vosk: You can say Dan Tracy made me do it.

[1:04:00] Dan Tracy: You wouldn't be the first one. And, you know, we'll see.

[1:04:04] Jessica Vosk: Fine.

[1:04:06] Dan Tracy: I love it.

[1:04:07] Jessica Vosk: Fine. Bye, everybody. That's the that's all the time we have for guys who like musicals. What a great way to end it. Wow. My gosh. Amazing. Jessica, thank you so much. Guys, this is so fun. That was really fun. Thank you for listening to guys who like musicals. We are now part of the Broadway Podcast Network. We are hosted by Dan Tracy. That's you. And Joe Carroll. That's me. We're produced by Ryan Kincaid and Matthew Mucha is the social content manager. You can find us on Instagram at guys who like musicals on Twitter at musical guys or the old fashioned way at WWW that guys like musicals dot com. If you'd like a chance to be featured on the ask the guys segment of our show, call 203-900-7990 and leave a message with your question. As always, thanks for listening.