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[0:00] Josh Lamon: Hey everybody, welcome back to Josh Swallows Broadway.

[0:04] Alan Seales: Hi, Josh.

[0:05] Josh Lamon: Hey Alan, how are you doing?

[0:07] Alan Seales: Oh my god, I miss you, my little baby.

[0:09] Josh Lamon: That's what you're just a baby.

[0:11] Alan Seales: How are you?

[0:13] Josh Lamon: I'm good. I'm good. It's so cold here in New York this week.

[0:16] Alan Seales: I know.

[0:16] Josh Lamon: I'm over it. I'm like walking around in a winter coat that looks like it's uh like it looks like I took a Casper mattress and stapled it to my body.

[0:29] Alan Seales: And it's still not warm enough.

[0:31] Josh Lamon: I can picture that, and I fully support walking around with this giant mattress around your face.

[0:38] Alan Seales: The marshmallow man on meth.

[0:40] Josh Lamon: Um, it's terrible. And I walk around the city and um seeing Broadway shows, because Broadway is open and you should come too. But um seeing Broadway shows and being like, why the fuck do I live here? Why who decided Broadway shouldn't be in the tropics?

[0:57] Alan Seales: Well, be glad Broadway is not in Chicago because that gets even colder.

[1:02] Josh Lamon: I would take my life. I would take my life. And it would be Chicago's fault. Um anyway, first of all, I want to give a huge shout out to our Patreon family. I love you all so much. Thank you. Without you, we wouldn't have had season three. And now that season three is starting to wind down. Um is that alright? Wind down, wind up. Anyway. Um wrap up, wind down.

[1:24] Alan Seales: Yeah, wrap up.

[1:25] Josh Lamon: Uh as we get uh closer to starting season four, it's all because of you. Thank you. And I want to give a special shout out to Max and Noah. I know that you're listening. I love you too so much. Thank you for supporting the show. In the meanwhile, we have a really special guest today, my dear friend Leslie Kritzer, who I love. She's amazing. She she is so funny in everything she does, but we have some news that uh is gonna be breaking right as this episode drops.

[1:52] Alan Seales: Which is so exciting!

[1:54] Josh Lamon: Which is what?

[1:56] Alan Seales: Which is well, am I allowed to say it now?

[1:58] Josh Lamon: Well, I guess Yeah, why not?

[1:59] Alan Seales: Okay, she's going back to Beetlejuice!

[2:04] Josh Lamon: What? I mean, her performance on that was just unmatchable. It was brilliant. Um, we met doing Elf a million years ago, and um she's been one of my dearest friends, one of my favorite people, and um just one of those friends that you can call when everything is terrible, and just you go from crying to laughing in five seconds flat. Um, all right, Alan, are you ready? Are you ready?

[2:30] Alan Seales: Dude, they're so excited.

[2:32] Josh Lamon: Roll the music.

[2:38] Josh Lamon: Josh swallows, Josh Swallows, Josh Swallows, Josh Swallows, Josh Swallows, Josh Swallows, Just Fallows Broadway.

[2:57] Josh Lamon: Hey everybody, welcome back to Josh Swallows Broadway. Today I am with one of my favorite fucking people on the planet. Uh she is a sister, she is a soulmate, she is everything I've ever wanted to be in this life. Welcome to the show, my baby baby Leslie Kritzer.

[3:18] Leslie Kritzer: Hi, how are you?

[3:20] Josh Lamon: Oh my god, I'm so excited I'm doing this today. I am like, I'm like, oh my god, I'm finally doing Josh's podcast. It's perfect. I'm like, I have nothing to live for except for this. I've been huddled in like a marinating in my cat's fur, just like counting down the days, being like, is it Thursday, mother? Is it Thursday at 3 p.m., mother?

[3:41] Josh Lamon: I know, I never know what day it is. I'm like, is it Tuesday? Is it Wednesday? I it's really it doesn't matter anymore.

[3:47] Leslie Kritzer: Um I got asked out on a date, which is really fun. And they were like, How's like Saturday? And I was just like, when is what is Saturday? I've heard of this Saturday. Some say weekends, some say they used to be called weekends, where people would go and get together in bars and have jolly fun. Some say people that have real jobs don't have to work on Saturdays.

[4:14] Josh Lamon: Oh, yeah amazing. Um, and I love that we're both in our like little virtual soundboard closet.

[4:20] Leslie Kritzer: Seriously, like two panic rooms.

[4:22] Josh Lamon: We look like I know. I always think it looks like like we've been kidnapped, you know, like somebody kidnapped us.

[4:30] Leslie Kritzer: Seriously, though, if these walls could talk the auditions that I've had to do in here for like pedigree. I had to do pedigree, um, doodles, poodle like doodles for pets, and then there was another one I had to do the other day for like oh god, oh, Walmart, you know, corporate America. All my like auditions in here are just always weird. They're always like, Can you play a fatty hamburger? Like, and I'm like, Hi, welcome to Duncan, and now we've got fatty fatty fatty. Don't I sound like a talking donut?

[5:01] Josh Lamon: I know I can't. I can't hate this world. I hate this world, but it's nice. You we have a place to hide when things are or if like a burglar, do you really?

[5:11] Leslie Kritzer: You do not have a big thing.

[5:11] Josh Lamon: Oh, I totally do. Yes, because I have a husband and I obviously talk about him and you know, like in therapy, you talk about your spouse or whoever. So I go in here and I put my um my phone up. Um my therapist is like, whenever I don't do it in here, I do it out there, because you know, you just like privacy. She's like, You look so pretty. And I'm like, obviously, in my dungeon, I don't when you go into the closet, is Vadim like, are you gonna go talk shit about me?

[5:39] Leslie Kritzer: No, he knows. He knows. Does he use the closet for his therapist?

[5:44] Josh Lamon: No, he never uses He doesn't have a therapist, he doesn't need it. He's more well adjusted than I am. I'm the one with more issues in life than him.

[5:55] Leslie Kritzer: Yeah, I love it when friends are like, You should see a therapist. And you're like, I thought we were close. I thought that like I could go to you. I can give you 20 bucks. That's a copay. Is that what you want? Seriously, you miserable dick idiot. Asshole.

[6:13] Leslie Kritzer: Um, I've been obsessed with you for a really long time. I went, uh, speaking of dates, I went on a date to see the Great American Trailer Park musical.

[6:23] Josh Lamon: Oh my god.

[6:24] Leslie Kritzer: Oh my god. That was my first time experiencing the brilliance that is you.

[6:33] Josh Lamon: Oh, thanks.

[6:34] Leslie Kritzer: It was one of my favorites. That's it. Truly is. I really think I just tweeted the other day. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna say it. I think the Great American Trailer Park musical should be revived. It is so fun. It is like exactly what we need right now. We just need like a good old, I think it's even 90 minutes. Maybe it's actually no, there's an it's two acts, but it's just a blast.

[6:57] Josh Lamon: It it was so funny. Your character is like fake pregnant.

[7:02] Leslie Kritzer: What was it? Like a um hysterical pregnancy or something.

[7:05] Josh Lamon: Hysterical pregnancy, yeah.

[7:06] Leslie Kritzer: She she keeps she thinks that she's pregnant, but she's not. Pickles, her name's Pickles. And it was so fun. It was the first like I had been doing Hairspray. I wasn't even I wasn't even 30 yet. I was like 26 or 27. I was doing Hairspray for a year and then I left to do the Great American Trailer Park musical was like my first real part that I originated in the city and it was like oh god it was just so fun. So fun.

[7:32] Leslie Kritzer: I love being a blonde was the best that cast recording I still listen to I love and when I was on tour with Wicked I used to be like okay have you heard of this show? Okay this is Leslie Kritzer and she plays a fake pregnant person and you have to listen to this riff and literally I'd like to get out my CD Walkman or whatever the fuck and put on like the headphones attached to it to somebody and be like that riff whatever you did. It was remarkable.

[8:07] Leslie Kritzer: So fun so fun and always you know like you know always character driven like stupid never it because I'm not there's so many people that are so much better at riffing than me. It's not really my specialty but when I can use it and be good at it but use it in a character it's the best it's like my favorite thing.

[8:24] Josh Lamon: Well what I love about like your comedy and it's sort of like it's definitely what I try to do is you make them real people not like caricatures and so it just makes it I mean just poor Pickles like I want to be Pickles friends.

[8:40] Leslie Kritzer: Poor Orfey poor fee. Make like a nail and press on I mean, and this whole cast, like I would because I don't think that obviously I think I'm too old now to do Pickles, but I'd love to direct it. And I think Orfey is still appropriate for her part. Like she any I really feel like a lot of the people are still age appropriate. I feel like Pickles was younger than everyone, so now I think Pickles needs to be like a new, really funny person, and I I really want to direct it.

[9:09] Josh Lamon: I would I would totally direct the shit out of it. It would be so fun. Could I play Linda Hart's track?

[9:15] Leslie Kritzer: Um, I feel like we need to switch it up and absolutely remember? Yeah. You remember she was on the roof of the fucking trailer park when in Storms of Broom when she does that huge whale.

[9:27] Josh Lamon: Well, we're gonna give the whale to somebody else because these the older I get, I'm like pre-recorded. Honey, it's pre-recorded.

[9:34] Leslie Kritzer: Okay, good. Because I was I don't need to sing any high notes anymore ever again. It's too stressful. You have to live like a monk. It's not my journey anymore.

[9:43] Josh Lamon: I know. Actually, no, she did sing it live, but it on the album it sounds it sounds well, it's so disco that whole number. But no, it's like it's like Dana Steingold and Beetlejuice, her screams after a while after DC. We were like, girl, why are you doing like seven screams live? Like, I think even Lion King has some pre-recorded like weird yelps and stuff, and they pre-recorded some screams for her because I was like, why? There's no point. Just have them pre-recorded. Open your mouth, cue.

[10:11] Leslie Kritzer: You know, and it's like they wouldn't let me do that at Wicked. I was like losing my voice from screaming. I'm serious, and the sound people were like, Yeah, no, that that wouldn't sound good, so we're not doing it.

[10:22] Josh Lamon: Okay, and so you know, there's nothing worse.

[10:26] Leslie Kritzer: Oh, hi, cat. My cat came in here. See, this is why it can't be a panic room because the bad guys would be like, Oh, this fucking cat wants to get in this room.

[10:35] Josh Lamon: Wait a minute, this is a panic room.

[10:38] Leslie Kritzer: Wait a minute, hold on a second. Hey, hey, Billy, get in here. We got a panic room.

[10:43] Josh Lamon: Oh my god.

[10:44] Leslie Kritzer: That's what Robert's sound like.

[10:46] Josh Lamon: I know. That's that robber sound.

[10:49] Leslie Kritzer: No, I have not. But if casting's listening, I am versatile.

[10:54] Josh Lamon: And available.

[10:55] Leslie Kritzer: And available.

[10:56] Josh Lamon: And a virgin.

[10:59] Leslie Kritzer: No, I'm not. No.

[11:00] Josh Lamon: No appears a virgin.

[11:02] Leslie Kritzer: No. What was your probably debut?

[11:04] Leslie Kritzer: Hairspray. Uh I was doing You're in Town on Tour. And I got a call to audition. And I I think I was at Chelsea Studios auditioning. I auditioned for Hairspray. And I so I replaced Shoshana Bean. And so I went in for her and then I covered three parts in that show.

[11:24] Josh Lamon: Wow.

[11:25] Leslie Kritzer: Yeah, I covered all the m all the moms. And yeah. Two of the moms, the two main moms, and then Tracy.

[11:34] Josh Lamon: Did you ever get to go on for Tracy?

[11:37] Leslie Kritzer: Oh, yeah, a few times.

[11:38] Josh Lamon: Where's the bootleg? I need, I need, I crave.

[11:42] Leslie Kritzer: There's an audio bootleg on YouTube. People have sent me links to that, but there's no video because uh back then did we no, we had cell phones in 2000 and not like today. You would have to have like a fucking giant ass camcorder like hidden in a box or something.

[12:01] Josh Lamon: I think people then were like still doing legit phone camera, like not phone, um, actual little cameras. Like it's so weird. Technology's changed so much. Like you can do a high def full-on cinematic bootleg now with our phones.

[12:15] Leslie Kritzer: I they do. Well, it's amazing when like a bootleg of like the original cast of Baby appears. Where I'm like, how did you those things used to be the size of like two obese cats put together? Like, how did you get away with that?

[12:33] Josh Lamon: I know, and some really old random bootlegs of um Betty Buckley and Carrie. You know what I mean?

[12:38] Leslie Kritzer: I'm obsessed with Carrie. I actually have a plan to make that show work. And um I even have a playlist of all the songs that I've cut because there needs to be a lot of cuts. It's about the the mommy and about Carrie. That's what the show's about.

[13:03] Josh Lamon: One day I am getting us edibles and I am sitting you down, and I'm going through the playlist with you beat by beat. You're probably going to want to take your life by the end of it. But it's going to be fun and fabulous. It will be enlightening. It will be enlightening. The times will call it edgy. Um, we first met on the great American musical Elf.

[13:32] Leslie Kritzer: I can't.

[13:35] Josh Lamon: The one show that I bought, I think Christmas presents for everyone. I think I bought, I was like, Leslie, what the f are you doing? Spending all this money, because I just I it was something with the holiday show. I wanted to get everybody a little something. Because and also when you're a principal, you feel like, oh, we should do stuff. We should get stuff for people because it's nice. But anyway, why did I even bring that up, Gemini? Yes, you and I had such a blast. Didn't we make each other like crack up on stage?

[14:01] Leslie Kritzer: All the time.

[14:03] Josh Lamon: Because I didn't do shit in that show except quick change. So I just get on stage and be like, Leslie, it's me, Carol.

[14:10] Leslie Kritzer: Lastly.

[14:11] Josh Lamon: Oh my god. Just stupid shit. And remember up our may he rest in peace, Michael.

[14:16] Leslie Kritzer: Michael Michael Mandel.

[14:18] Josh Lamon: I know. That crushed me when he passed.

[14:22] Leslie Kritzer: We did a little shop together way before we did Elf. Um, he was so great. And that laugh like ha ha ha ha.

[14:33] Josh Lamon: Oh my god. Oh my god, him. He was like, honey, when during the big tap number at the end, like we'd be in rehearsal with Casey Hush, and he'd be like, he'd be like sitting to the side. He'd be like, nope, this is not my journey.

[14:46] Leslie Kritzer: Um, I still have a great picture of him at rehearsal when he fell asleep with a sandwich on his shoulder.

[14:53] Josh Lamon: Oh, I think you showed me that at some point.

[14:56] Leslie Kritzer: I'll have to send it to you. It's my favorite picture of Mother Mandel.

[14:59] Josh Lamon: It's so weird when people pass away, like that we've like done shows with no new and then all of a sudden they're not here. It's just so it's so wild. Like I'm like, oh my god, Michael Mandel was like yesterday. I would talk to him in rehearsal, you know? It's like, yeah, so weird. But we did have a lot of fun in that show.

[15:16] Leslie Kritzer: Yeah, a lot. Um, though there was always drama in the men's ensemble.

[15:21] Josh Lamon: Okay, no, I don't remember.

[15:23] Leslie Kritzer: No, I don't remember any of that.

[15:26] Josh Lamon: I can I can without me naming a name, I can maybe think of one or two people that caused some drama.

[15:33] Leslie Kritzer: Oh my god. It was like two can't it was like split into two groups, and then there was one person who just didn't give a shit like about Broadway, about working, just like didn't was like, I want to be a lawyer, but I do Broadway instead. Like just one of those assholes.

[15:46] Josh Lamon: Oh, I know who.

[15:49] Leslie Kritzer: Yep. But um, yeah, it was like the wildest experience of being like we're doing a Christmas musical, and everybody hates each other, except everybody else in the building are our best friends.

[16:02] Josh Lamon: Yes, like Beth Level.

[16:03] Leslie Kritzer: I love Beth Level, like being on the fat floor with Beth Level.

[16:07] Josh Lamon: And who was that?

[16:08] Leslie Kritzer: Valerie Wright.

[16:11] Josh Lamon: Valerie Wright who would put her um hold on a second.

[16:15] Leslie Kritzer: Put her kids to sleep over the phone, like say goodnight to them right before the sh like show started.

[16:21] Josh Lamon: It was so it was just like oh it was such a great floor. It was just it was awesome.

[16:26] Leslie Kritzer: It was just awesome. There was some great people.

[16:29] Josh Lamon: Yeah.

[16:29] Leslie Kritzer: Jenny Hill.

[16:30] Josh Lamon: Oh my god, Jenny Hill.

[16:32] Leslie Kritzer: Catherine Brunell.

[16:34] Josh Lamon: Catherine Brunell, who I still keep in touch with.

[16:36] Leslie Kritzer: I markopolar with her all the time.

[16:37] Josh Lamon: Please give her my love.

[16:38] Leslie Kritzer: I missed it.

[16:39] Josh Lamon: I will. Um, I have I literally have a Christmas ornament with her and I on it from actually for from Something Rotten the other show we did together.

[16:46] Leslie Kritzer: But oh, right, you did something rotten together.

[16:48] Josh Lamon: Yeah, and there are a bunch of people in that show.

[16:50] Leslie Kritzer: Oh my god, that are not even in New York anymore. Like it's just it's so weird. It was like yesterday.

[16:54] Josh Lamon: Um, fun fact, I used to I used to go in the alleyway of the St. James sometimes during intermission and smoke cigarettes.

[17:04] Leslie Kritzer: I'm like, oh god, fuck this. I'm so I'm just so miserable with my life.

[17:09] Josh Lamon: My agent dropped me.

[17:11] Leslie Kritzer: I was like, fuck this.

[17:12] Josh Lamon: Meanwhile, just pinging out notes.

[17:14] Leslie Kritzer: Your agent dropped you while you were starting on Broadway.

[17:17] Josh Lamon: Right before that, yeah. My a big, very big agent dropped me.

[17:22] Leslie Kritzer: I hate this world.

[17:25] Josh Lamon: Terrible.

[17:25] Leslie Kritzer: It was pretty right and like not too long before that.

[17:28] Josh Lamon: Yeah, it was probably it was like a big big ooh, that was rough.

[17:32] Leslie Kritzer: I was rough.

[17:33] Josh Lamon: I'm so sorry.

[17:34] Leslie Kritzer: It's okay. I mean, I'm fine now, but you know, it at the time, you know, when you get dropped by you know, uh especially when it's a big one.

[17:41] Josh Lamon: Yeah, we deal with so much fucking rejection, and then it's like it too brutus.

[17:46] Leslie Kritzer: Yeah, I was like, wait, yeah, my like hello, anyone home?

[17:50] Josh Lamon: Yeah.

[17:50] Leslie Kritzer: Well, I had a friend that got dropped um on on their way to a callback.

[17:57] Josh Lamon: And the agent called them and said, you know, so you know we're we're not continuing our relationship.

[18:03] Leslie Kritzer: And they were like, so should I still go to the callback I'm walking to right now?

[18:09] Josh Lamon: And they were like, um, yeah, and if we hear anything, we'll let you know.

[18:15] Leslie Kritzer: And we'll take a mission because we got you the appointment.

[18:19] Josh Lamon: Because we're monsters.

[18:22] Leslie Kritzer: I just I can't.

[18:25] Josh Lamon: Well, I have loved that you are now a true crime journalist.

[18:31] Leslie Kritzer: I am kind of.

[18:34] Josh Lamon: No, well, this uh it's the the Ghane.

[18:37] Leslie Kritzer: Am I saying that right? I look at spelled and I'm like, what's the one?

[18:40] Josh Lamon: It is Galen.

[18:41] Leslie Kritzer: Sometimes it's Gillane, sometimes it's Galen. It depends when you're talking to.

[18:44] Josh Lamon: At first I was like, Gislain, which is wrong. It took me like a week to figure it out.

[18:49] Leslie Kritzer: But yes, you're saying it right.

[18:51] Josh Lamon: Okay, the Glen Maxwell.

[18:52] Leslie Kritzer: Ghlaine Maxwell case.

[18:55] Josh Lamon: That was your coverage of that was remarkable.

[19:01] Leslie Kritzer: Oh, thanks. It was not expected at all. I just I knew I wanted to go. I was planning on going, and I just showed up, and then I was like, well, I'm just gonna report on this every day because it's cool, and I'm getting inside every day. So why not just tell everybody what's going on?

[19:17] Josh Lamon: And then I got like emotionally invested in it because I just did, and I started meeting everybody there, and I was certainly the only actor muggle there.

[19:27] Leslie Kritzer: Everybody else was journalists and I except this other this um other woman, Jessica from California, who's big on Instagram. She had covered like just for fun the Britney case, and then she decided to fly out a few times.

[19:41] Josh Lamon: So her and I were really the only muggles.

[19:44] Leslie Kritzer: Everyone else were like real reporters or lawyers. Um, yeah, so then we we like I became competitive about it. I was like, I'm gonna be here every day, and I want to be here every day. Cause also at the time when it started, it was right after Thanksgiving.

[20:02] Josh Lamon: And you know, um, um, I was just kind of like uh what am I doing with my life?

[20:07] Leslie Kritzer: Like I'm unemployed, and I'm like, I'm like, but I'm gonna go because I I've always been interested in trials and I've been to a trial before, but never like committed from beginning to end.

[20:19] Josh Lamon: And then I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna go big and just go.

[20:22] Leslie Kritzer: And then I just kept going. And that it's just like I made it my job, even though it wasn't my job.

[20:27] Josh Lamon: Wow.

[20:27] Leslie Kritzer: How do you even get in there?

[20:31] Josh Lamon: So you so the public is allowed a couple of spots, like they have in the gallery, they call it the gallery, right? Where everybody sits, the public and the press are allowed a certain number of spots.

[20:43] Leslie Kritzer: And so let's say, then they changed that rule depending on how management felt every day.

[20:49] Josh Lamon: So you kind of felt like you were going in not really knowing.

[20:53] Leslie Kritzer: So it came from like it started at like five public, seven press to two public, four press as it went through.

[21:04] Josh Lamon: Like they started really like becoming more strict, but how it works is you have to get outside, uh you have to be outside um on and get in line outside the courthouse downtown and the first day that I got there I was number 14 the first day of trial and I got there at 545 in the morning.

[21:26] Leslie Kritzer: Wow and I was number 14.

[21:28] Josh Lamon: So they then they put you in overflow rooms that have T that have screens you can watch what's going inside.

[21:33] Leslie Kritzer: But in order to get into the courtroom after that I started getting there pretty consistently around 4 to 430 to be in the top uh number you know the the top five at least to get in and then as the trial went on and the weather got worse like less people started to come so it was just the regulars so it became me and the you know just the same five or six people.

[21:58] Josh Lamon: So I was only one or two of public people and sometimes you have stragglers come random public people but not not many normal people just go to a trial unless you are reporting and getting paid or you're a lawyer and you're interested so basically you have the journalists that are outside and they're all the they're from everywhere CNN ABC um you know the London Times the Daily Beast uh and also because Galen Maxwell is British you know a lot of um the guardian daily mail like from foreign press maybe like top tip I'm here to exactly line with you exactly and they're pretty cool they all like most of them live here some of them travel to be here I mean you have people from Australia ABC like all over and people from Washington.

[22:47] Leslie Kritzer: So then, and then lawyers and whoever else.

[22:51] Josh Lamon: And then you had, so then you have the in-house reporters that basically um there's a very it's it's hard to get in-house credentials.

[23:00] Leslie Kritzer: They cover the courthouse all the time.

[23:03] Josh Lamon: They're they're I I don't want to say they're too cool for school, but this is their turf, and they can walk in and out of the courtroom as they please.

[23:11] Leslie Kritzer: Um, they always have seniority, and they have they're allowed to keep their phones, they have a room where they can go get Wi-Fi, they can use their phones in the courtroom.

[23:20] Josh Lamon: Whereas everyone else smoke in the courtroom.

[23:23] Leslie Kritzer: They can undress.

[23:25] Josh Lamon: Um, and then you have that, and then there's this whole other faction of people at the at the trial.

[23:34] Leslie Kritzer: You're like, you have the people that can get in the in the courtroom, which are very, very few.

[23:38] Josh Lamon: You have to also understand in the courtroom too, there are FBI, all kinds of law enforcement that also come and go.

[23:45] Leslie Kritzer: Federal marshals come and go because they've been involved with the case.

[23:48] Josh Lamon: They were there for the, you know, during search warrants, like they were investigators.

[23:52] Leslie Kritzer: So it's constantly a flow of all these kind of people.

[23:55] Josh Lamon: And um, they do have allocated spaces for victims, and then Galen's family that was in the front, her brothers and sisters.

[24:03] Leslie Kritzer: And then there's this whole other faction of people in the overflow room.

[24:07] Josh Lamon: So they have a couple of other court, I mean, there's tons of courtrooms in the actual courthouse.

[24:12] Leslie Kritzer: It's huge, and there's mini courtrooms all over on the various floors.

[24:16] Josh Lamon: So they'll have overflow rooms where there are other courtrooms, but they put TV screens up everywhere, and there is a live feed in the in our co in the main courtroom, and you can watch them so people um have more access.

[24:32] Leslie Kritzer: So in those rooms, you can show up like at 10 o'clock or nine o'clock if you want, right when it's starting, and you can get into one of those overflow rooms.

[24:39] Josh Lamon: Um, they do limit the number, but you you could have shown up at any time and gotten one one of those rooms.

[24:46] Leslie Kritzer: And that's where a lot of a lot of people got COVID in those rooms because there were a lot of anti vaxxers in there.

[24:50] Josh Lamon: No.

[24:51] Leslie Kritzer: That's why I never I only was in an overflow room the first day because I didn't get the lay of the land yet.

[24:56] Josh Lamon: There were, you know, QAnon, uh conspiracy theorists, oh yeah, all kinds of all kinds of wackadoos.

[25:03] Leslie Kritzer: Not not that they're all wackadoos, but a lot of them are.

[25:06] Josh Lamon: And then you'd have like my friend Jackie who would be in the overflow rooms because she couldn't get there that early and she's also just a normal journalist, but she stopped going in those overflow rooms because people started getting COVID.

[25:18] Leslie Kritzer: And then it's and it got kind of crazy.

[25:22] Josh Lamon: But the all kinds of people, which is why I'm writing about it because the characters and the people that I met from the security guards who are retired police officers now marshals to l the sketch artists to I mean it is a whole other world and it's it is theater.

[25:39] Leslie Kritzer: Like being in the courtroom is like watching a show in a way.

[25:43] Josh Lamon: Sure.

[25:44] Leslie Kritzer: So it's fascinating.

[25:46] Josh Lamon: And it's also I mean it was heartbreaking. You saw um a lot of obviously victims testifying and I don't know and you know it's different because like as as actors and like creative people, we're like looking at it differently than just normal reporters look at it or academic people look at it.

[26:06] Leslie Kritzer: You know, we're studying and then we're studying body language and tone and inflection and all of these things that after a while the reporters and things that I would notice and the reporters would come to me and go, okay, so what did you think of that? Like after a while, we started developing this relationship with the reporters. We knew that I could pick up things they couldn't pick up. Because as we got to know each other, we figured out our strengths. And I would ask my friend Lucia, who is a trained lawyer about what the fuck are they saying about that? What does that mean? And impeachment, what? And she'd be like, Okay, and I'd be like, You see how that she did that? You see how she did that with her, like she was looking here or whatever, or she does this or she does that with her mo, you know, the things that we're trained as actors, like we just pick up because we're like genius at understanding behavior.

Like that's part of what we do. So it's just it was fascinating and heartbreak, like really it started I started getting personally affected by it. It was very draining at times, just because like you're like, wow, these is not a story. You watch a Netflix docuseries about Jeffrey Epstein. Like, this is real, and this woman's sitting right in front of me every day. And it's intense. And I had a place to go, you know, like do something. You know, I can't imagine, especially being in the room with her.

[27:30] Josh Lamon: Yeah.

[27:32] Leslie Kritzer: What was it like the first time that you saw her? The first well, the first first time I saw her, she was on a screen because I was in an overflow room. So we saw her walk in. Um, and now that I'm going through all my notes, it's like we were, you know, we didn't under like we were like, is it a cream turtleneck? Is it a pink turtleneck? Like, but the way she walks, she walks with confidence, like she owns the place. And then the first first time I saw her in in person, I think was the next day. You know, when she walks from the back, you know, these two marshals bring her out, and the door opens, and it and it's and it's from it's connected to like a cell back there. So she walks out and she saunters in, hugs her lawyers, everyone's huggy, everyone touches like she's um like she's royalty and she didn't do anything wrong.

[28:21] Josh Lamon: That's so crazy.

[28:23] Leslie Kritzer: It's wild, it's wild. No sense of remorse, no sense of uh responsibility. Um, I wasn't there the day that she spoke. I was so pissed. Um, when she said, you know, I don't believe the government has anything on me and I'm not going to testify. No one thought she was going to testify. We all knew that she wasn't. Um, but I wasn't there in the courtroom when she spoke, which I was sad about. Um, but yeah, it's it's uh it was an amazing experience, and like I'll never forget it. And the people that I made some really good friends, and I certainly learned a lot. I mean, and and an appreciation for for even if lawyers I don't agree with their um certain choices they've made, like watching women tear down other women in open court, like uh their experiences as children, and then watching them rip them to shreds as far as finding holes in their stories every which way, trying to discredit them for their client.

It's it's that's it's despicable and it's also fascinating because all it takes is to sow some seeds of doubt for the jury to go, I'm not sure. And you understand why it's an art form, right? Cross-examination and questioning and reforming your questions is an art form because you're watching them and you're like, How the hell? Uh, there's objection, objection. How the hell is this lawyer going to rephrase this question to get the answer that they want from this person on the stand, and they wind up somehow being able to twist it around enough that it gets through? The judge says, I'll allow it, and they have to answer it. It's it's uh it's incredible. Because they're actors, they are actors.

[30:15] Josh Lamon: Yeah, I I was only uh a juror once, and it was for the stupidest case ever. It lasted forever. It was like literally uh not even a car crash, like a fender bender, like a bump. And the guy, you know, the guy that was uh suing or whatever, not the defendant, the other one. His lawyer had this long pony tail, his hair was like all oily and gross, his claws were so where was this?

[30:48] Leslie Kritzer: This was at the flushing courthouse.

[30:50] Josh Lamon: Oh my god. And this guy was the worst actor ever. Like, if I was directing like the worst production of like carousel somewhere in Poquoima or Tuscaloosa, like maybe they'd get to be a knight, but like you know, he a fender bender, and he would take his fist and he would slam it into his hand and be like, Here's this car, crash, crash over and over again, like getting into the jury's faces, crash.

[31:22] Leslie Kritzer: Yeah, that's a civil case.

[31:23] Josh Lamon: That's totally that's what they're allowed to do. It's way more theatric than even like federal. So stupid, and it's like, girl, listen, big girl. From one big girl to another big girl, girl, you're not that good. You're just not that good. You ain't if you would like to coach with me. You can find me on Instagram at Josh Period Layman and send me a DM, and I will coach you. That's right. Um Yeah, and the poor, like the defendant was just like, this is bullshit, like the entire time. He's like, uh, yeah, this is dumb. And um, yeah, it lasted a week. Um, not I not as exciting as the Ghlaine Maxwell case. But it's funny, isn't it? It's interesting though. You're like, you know, when they get into the juror's faces, like it's and now it's so different with COVID, they had to be behind like this like little like mass on, mass off, like in these little cubicle things.

It's they had to wear an astronaut suit protect the jury. It's it's crazy. We had one juror, this like really young kid, um, that when we were deliberating, he was like, Yeah, well, whatever you all decide, I'm down with. And we were like, that's not how this works, asshole. Like that's just not how this works, kid.

[32:40] Leslie Kritzer: Um we just watched 12 angry men the other night again, and there's that scene where he's like, Well, yeah, he's guilty. And he's like, You can't just say that. This is a murder trial. Like, you have to. Why do you think he's guilty, or why do you think he's not guilty? Watching that movie after this whole thing was really interesting.

[32:57] Josh Lamon: Yeah.

[32:58] Leslie Kritzer: So watching watching your coverage was amazing because I didn't feel like the trial got like much coverage. Like it was there, but it was such an afterthought in the press.

[33:10] Josh Lamon: Yeah.

[33:10] Leslie Kritzer: It and it and it didn't seem like it, because when you're there, there's tons of media there. There were trucks outside and cameras and but yeah, that it wasn't getting a lot of coverage. Whereas now, you know, I think people want me to cover this Prince Andrew trial, and I have like I'm interested, but I have no interest just because I'm not I I just don't I'm not as drawn to it. V Virginia um Virginia Roberts, now Virginia Gurraffy, is uh was connected to the Epstein and Maxwell case because um she settled with Epstein and she settled with Glenn Maxwell out of court a number of years ago. But Prince Edward, they uh Prince Andrew, they introduced her to him. And so now like there's things happening, the judge has not dismissed the case, the case is moving forward. I don't think she wants to settle, and she wants to go to trial. Good. So now and then today the queen stripped him of his military uh titles.

[34:11] Josh Lamon: I didn't know that.

[34:12] Leslie Kritzer: I didn't know that. So he's not his royal highness anymore. He's just Prince Andrew. And it's weird because I'm struggling today, going, you know, I think people want me to cover this, and I don't I just because there's no if there's a trial, I will cover it. Like right now, I'm like, okay, it's like one headline after the other, and we're actually I'm still covering the Glen trial in the sense because now we have a jury, we have a juror, juror number 50, long story short, who said some things apparently he might have lied on his questionnaire form while they were doing jury selection um pick yeah. And so they might they're trying to um the defense is now saying they want a new trial. Okay, we're gonna find out about that.

But anyway, it's all very fascinating and you know, it's it was awesome. And I learned a lot about myself. You know, I think, you know, when you do when you're do one thing primarily for most of your life and then you're thrust into another world, you're like, oh, I'm actually I'm pretty smart.

[35:11] Josh Lamon: Yeah.

[35:12] Leslie Kritzer: In a different way than I thought I was. I oh, okay, I'm not, you know, because like when you're an actor and like uh you know, I'm a writer, but really it's not like I don't I put myself in a totally new world, like just thrust myself in there, and I'm like, oh, I kind of belong here, just like these people belong here.

[35:30] Josh Lamon: That's one of my favorite things about you though, is that you're fearless. I mean, I know you, I know that we have like our human insecurities and all that kind of stuff. Um, but the way that you are really um a chameleon in that way, where you can put on so many hats and do it with so much passion and do it so brilliantly, you are an incredible actress, singer, um, journalist, writing, um, also an amazing stand-up. Like all the stuff that you do, it just blows me away.

[36:04] Leslie Kritzer: And I am thrilled to announce right here, live on the podcast. Uh Leslie and I are on our way to the La Jolla Playhouse next month because the producers of Diana have now uh we there's a new musical called Galen. Exclamation point. And um it's I can't believe we're actually saying I can't believe it's real, Josh. Like it's like we've been dreaming about this moment for so long and now it's real. Like, wow. And Lippa's music, Andrew Lippa, his score. I just can't what's the opening? It's it's amazing, but I can't believe Lacusa is doing Galen as well. Uh I know it. And it's like there's and like Jason Robert Brown like wrote like the 11 o'clock number because it was just like whatever. Everyone got COVID and he was the only one standing. So they're like, okay, you write it.

[36:57] Leslie Kritzer: Yeah

[37:58] Leslie Kritzer: And then, you know, James Lepine is only directing the um the end, the last number. The end, the last number. Which and I love that song, you know. Glenne, Ghlaine, you bad and need to explain all the stuff you did. You bad, bad girl. Goine. Glain. You got lots to explain. I mean, and also it's like it's just so special for Josh and I because we wrote some of the um incidental like music. And we also this is our first credit as co-choreographers. So I I you know it's just like we were talking about being fearless. Like we're just like, you know what? We didn't die in the past two years. So let's try something new.

[38:02] Leslie Kritzer: We could have kept it. The audience would have taken their lives, but yeah, we could have kept going. Um people would have finished three loads of laundry listening to this. Gillane, Galen, Galen. Um it's actually sort of catchy. Maybe Lynn Manuel could do like Galen, hey, Galen, lots to explain, Glaine. Um that's my I want you, Glenn. I want you so bad.

[38:31] Josh Lamon: Oh my god.

[38:32] Leslie Kritzer: God, I miss you. I I love like just being stupid with you. I loved back during the election when we made the taco truck video that you created, wrote, produced. MPS, like think about all of the people. All of you guys, every last one of you are like every single person that I had the honor of putting in that video has like done incredible things.

[39:01] Leslie Kritzer: Oh MJ. I remember meeting MJ and being like, oh yeah, you're very gifted. This is fun. You're funny. And next thing you know, she's on Pose and winning a, what did she win? Golden Globe. And Emmy. She's like, and that's like, it's just awesome. I that's like my dream. It's just to always work with people that I love, to people that I love that I never like worked with. And like, yeah, come do this thing. Please come and do this thing. Will you do this thing? And that's like the best because I know so many talented people. Like, how lucky am I? Like, that's just unbelievable.

[39:35] Josh Lamon: I don't know how you know all these people. Like Larry Owens was in it, who, um, this I knew him of because of Gigantic.

[39:43] Leslie Kritzer: Oh, he was in Gigantic.

[39:45] Josh Lamon: Yeah, he was in Gigantic. I love that show. I can't wait for it to come. Oh my god. Can we go together, please?

[39:56] Leslie Kritzer: Oh yes. I saw it twice off Broadway when it was here. And they just did DC. I didn't get to see it down there. But you know, it's just like that's, that's I think of like I, and that's why it's hard, I think, for actors too. It's just like we're always, we know so many talented people, and then not everyone works all the time. And you're just like, wait, but that person's so talented. Oh, wait, I'm so talented too, and no one's working, or I'm working and they're not working, or they're working and I'm not working, and it's just, it's a hard, it's just hard.

[40:29] Leslie Kritzer: What we do is not ever stable.

[40:33] Josh Lamon: No, it's, it's such a mind fuck because like one day you feel like you're on top of the world, and then the next you're just like sitting in a puddle of self-pity, and you know, just like looking at your old playbills and like they're your friends, and being like, some say they can still hear my pingy voice at this, uh, place that they do encore shows that you know. Um, but that's why I, you know, that saying compare and despair.

[41:05] Leslie Kritzer: Oh hello. Comparison is a thief of joy, yeah.

[41:10] Josh Lamon: Yes, compare and despair. Uh, I try to practice that a lot. It was really hard um when, you know, Broadway's coming back, and you're like, I'm never going to work again.

[41:24] Leslie Kritzer: Right.

[41:25] Josh Lamon: You know, uh my cat was just like, yeah, I'm just gonna do it.

[41:27] Leslie Kritzer: I know that it was so cute, it was almost on pitch.

[41:30] Josh Lamon: Oh, my cat's a great singer. I mean, this at this point at Wicked, my fucking cat's gonna be going on for Alphabet like tomorrow at eight.

[41:42] Leslie Kritzer: Um god. Those poor people, they're like, Can you hit a high F? Have you ever done a show at your high school? You too could be Alphabet tonight at 8 p.m. If you ruin your voice, we don't care.

[42:00] Josh Lamon: We do not care. If we ruin your self-esteem, you had the full Wicked experience. Sign here on the dotted line.

[42:11] Leslie Kritzer: So true. It's just like, oh my God. So funny. I mean, what it's, it's sometimes I go, God, I've been here since I graduated college in 1999. I've been in New York since 1999. It's so weird to think, like, wow, I've been like that's why I say when people go, oh, I don't know, and it's like it comes something we, we it comes, something will come or you'll figure something out or something will change because it's like all of a sudden you go, God, 20 something years have gone by and I'm still doing it. What? I found a way, but now it's like we're living in unprecedented times.

[42:48] Josh Lamon: So it's like nothing makes sense now.

[42:50] Leslie Kritzer: It's not normal.

[42:51] Josh Lamon: What? No? You know, like these shows taking hiatuses and then coming back. It's like we've never experienced that. You know, I mean I went to Lion King for the first time. I'd never seen Lion King. A friend of mine got tickets. I was like, well, now's the time. And half of the orchestra's gone. Like there's no, nobody there right now.

[43:08] Leslie Kritzer: I, uh, you know, Broadway month or which was Broadway week, um, is coming up and I looked into tickets for To Kill a Mockingbird next week on Tuesday, and maybe 10% of the seats were sold.

[43:23] Josh Lamon: Maybe closing now, Sunday.

[43:26] Leslie Kritzer: I know. The day after I looked, they were like we're closing till June. Um it's not, it's such a sad, scary time.

[43:36] Josh Lamon: Um It is.

[43:38] Leslie Kritzer: And yet, like we just, what do we, it's sad, it's sad for Broadway and it's sad in our personal lives, like just as humans, like what this is, is this ever gonna be over? And then you're just like, okay, we just we're starting to figure out, I guess, how to adapt. I mean, we're also coming out of the hardest time, it's post holidays when we knew the spike was gonna happen in this fucking variant. It's like, what's the next one? What is the next variant name? I don't care. I just cannot be named after a fucking transformer.

[44:07] Josh Lamon: I can't like I'm make rum. Like I can't like and who makes the names, like who makes the names of these storms? I've, oh no one has ever been able to tell me that. Like why Hurricane Barbara? Like who this one, Susan.

[44:21] Leslie Kritzer: Um I get dibs on naming this variant.

[44:24] Josh Lamon: Like who decides that?

[44:25] Leslie Kritzer: Actually, that's a good question, Josh. I'm gonna find out.

[44:27] Josh Lamon: Yeah, I want that to be our job. I want you and I to start naming hurricanes and variants.

[44:33] Leslie Kritzer: Or like why, why don't they name them like the variants after like horrible people? Just to scare the anti-vaxxers, just be like, uh the Hitler variant just came out.

[44:45] Josh Lamon: And it's a bitch.

[44:46] Leslie Kritzer: Um you do not want Hitler.

[44:50] Josh Lamon: You do not want Hitler. I'm telling you.

[44:52] Leslie Kritzer: Yeah, l hear me out.

[44:55] Josh Lamon: Okay.

[44:56] Leslie Kritzer: And those of you that do and love him, God bless, go get it. Go get it. Go right after it, honey. I'll give you a peak just with the Hitler variant. Here you go, honey. Shots for everybody. Just sniff it right up, just like in the old days when cool days.

[45:14] Josh Lamon: I swear to God.

[45:18] Leslie Kritzer: Josh, I love you so much.

[45:20] Josh Lamon: You make it.

[45:21] Leslie Kritzer: I love you too, Josh. Uh, I just I can't wait to just see you and give you the biggest hug. And um you're the best. You're just such an important part of my life. Thank you so much for coming on the show. It means so much.

[45:35] Leslie Kritzer: Thank you. I do have um when is this come out?

[45:39] Josh Lamon: In like uh two weeks, I think.

[45:42] Leslie Kritzer: Well, I can probably say that I have news.

[45:46] Josh Lamon: You have news?

[45:47] Leslie Kritzer: Yeah.

[45:48] Josh Lamon: Tell me your news.

[45:50] Leslie Kritzer: Well, since it's coming out in two weeks, I think it'll be announced by then. Um, I'm going back to Beetlejuice.

[45:55] Josh Lamon: Oh my god.

[45:53] Leslie Kritzer: I'm going back to Beetlejuice.

[45:58] Josh Lamon: Wonderful.

[45:59] Leslie Kritzer: But it's new, it's different than before. And the difference is, and literally you're the first person I'm actually telling like here, because they'll, it's gonna get announced, and by the time this comes out, it'll be announced. But I'm only going back and doing Delia. I'm not doing Miss Argentina, only doing Delia.

[46:16] Josh Lamon: Wow.

[46:17] Leslie Kritzer: So I will have the sweetheart track of Beetlejuice back. And I'm so thrilled. We're gonna have a new Miss Argentina, which is awesome.

[46:26] Josh Lamon: Yeah.

[46:26] Leslie Kritzer: It's so great for the, actually it's great for me, and it's great for the show because now like for me it'll have a much easier job. Which I, I really, I'm really really like because again, I'm developing this piece about the trial, so I'll have more energy because doing, I am going to be turning 45 in May and to be doing this track again after two years. I, I'm like welcoming the, having a b easier track, but also for the show, first of all, we'll have a killer Argentina. She'll probably like be able to do all kind of dancing shit, which is so exciting because that's not me.

[47:03] Josh Lamon: Um I said to our choreographer, I was like, Connor, you make her fly through the air and shit, especially if she's young. I love girl, let's do it.

[47:11] Leslie Kritzer: I love him. And also it's better for the show too, because instead of it was never supposed to be one person. That was just because I'm crazy. But now for the show, it'll be an extra feature for someone. And that's how it was always. So now it'll go back to that, which is great. So someone else can have their feature and I can do my part and I'll always be on the album. So it'll be, it's really cool. I'm very excited.

[47:33] Josh Lamon: I cannot wait to see you in that again. I'm really excited.

[47:37] Leslie Kritzer: Oh, I wanted to tell you.

[47:39] Josh Lamon: Thank you for telling me.

[47:41] Leslie Kritzer: I, you know, like I always wanted to ask, but there's uh, you know, like I just believe in that rule not being like, so did this go your way? You know, just because it's like what an asshole thing to like say to people.

[47:54] Josh Lamon: Well, because we talked about it initially. I was, I was not gonna go back. I didn't have plans to go back, and then you know, it's sort of months later. This different scenario came about, and I was like, you know what? That actually sounds great. I would love just to come back and do Delia and be with my cast, and we'll have some new people. Um, but it's gonna be, it's gonna be awesome and to feel like we're a part of bringing it back, and people love the show, and it's kind of like great. It's also just, it's fun, it's really fun, and I want to have fun.

[48:28] Josh Lamon: Well, I have news too.

[48:31] Leslie Kritzer: I have news.

[48:31] Josh Lamon: I am going to be playing the house in Beetlejuice.

[48:37] Leslie Kritzer: Oh my god.

[48:39] Josh Lamon: Really excited. I just had my first fitting. It's crazy. I actually look like a giant house.

[48:46] Leslie Kritzer: Well, the staircase I knew it, it just sits right in front of you.

[48:49] Josh Lamon: Yeah, so it's uh-huh and it's Velcro.

[48:52] Leslie Kritzer: So yeah, exactly.

[48:53] Josh Lamon: You never underestimate Velcro on Broadway.

[48:57] Leslie Kritzer: I hate you so much.

[48:58] Josh Lamon: I hate you so much, Josh.

[49:00] Leslie Kritzer: I love you.

[49:02] Josh Lamon: I love you.

[49:02] Leslie Kritzer: I love you.

[49:03] Josh Lamon: Nobody else does it but me.

[49:05] Leslie Kritzer: Um, well, anyway, I'm so excited to see you.

[49:08] Josh Lamon: That's a bad thing.

[49:09] Leslie Kritzer: Um literally, this is the first time I'm ever like doing a thing, like I've actually telling somebody. So this is kind of cool.

[49:16] Josh Lamon: I'm really excited.

[49:17] Leslie Kritzer: Oh, this happened not too long ago. So I wanted to tell you, but I figured I'd wait and tell you on your show.

[49:23] Josh Lamon: Oh my god. Well, thanks for doing that.

[49:25] Leslie Kritzer: I'm really excited. And now all of you at home will be really excited. You have to go see Beetlejuice with me.

[49:31] Josh Lamon: Oh, I love that show so much.

[49:33] Leslie Kritzer: And Anna Steingold in that show.

[49:35] Josh Lamon: Oh my god, she's Jeff Kiss.

[49:37] Leslie Kritzer: Yes, and she's psyched, she's coming back. I mean, a lot of people, the a lot of original people are coming back. Some people got other jobs, obviously, because of life. But I think most of the original cast, most of us are be back.

[49:49] Josh Lamon: Oh, it's exciting.

[49:51] Leslie Kritzer: Oh, that's so marvelous. It's so wonderful to hear some good news and I know in these uncertain times.

[49:58] Josh Lamon: Certain times with Josh Lamon.

[50:01] Leslie Kritzer: Uncertain times with Josh Lamon.

[50:03] Josh Lamon: You understand, yes?

[50:04] Leslie Kritzer: You understand.

[50:05] Josh Lamon: Yes.

[50:06] Leslie Kritzer: Oh, I love you. Thank you for coming.

[50:08] Josh Lamon: Thank you.

[50:09] Leslie Kritzer: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so glad we got to do this.

[50:12] Josh Lamon: Me too.

[50:13] Leslie Kritzer: And thank you, everybody at home listening. You make my life so much better.

[50:16] Josh Lamon: Yes, you.

[50:16] Leslie Kritzer: You make my life better.

[50:22] Josh Lamon: Um, and thank you for supporting the show and supporting artists right now. It's so important.

[50:27] Leslie Kritzer: Um, and you can continue to do so.

[50:30] Josh Lamon: Go to www.patreon.com slash Josh Swallows Broadway and come and join the fun.

[50:37] Leslie Kritzer: We have Zoom hangouts every month.

[50:39] Josh Lamon: It's gonna be a blast. I hope to see you there.

[50:42] Leslie Kritzer: And also like, subscribe, tell your friends if you hate the show, tell people that you hate to listen to it.

[50:48] Josh Lamon: Be like, just tell people that you hate if you really hate the show, and then they'll be miserable, and yeah, it'll be good for everybody.

[50:55] Leslie Kritzer: Alright, thank you so much.

[50:56] Josh Lamon: Talk to you next time. Bye.

[51:03] Josh Lamon: Josh Swallows Broadway is produced by Alan Seales, Dory Berenstein, and myself, Josh Lamon, with associate producer Elizabeth Wheless.

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