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[0:07] Tommy Bracco: Hi guys, it's Tommy.

[0:09] Phil Bracco: I'm Phil.

[0:10] Tommy Bracco: And you're listening to Real Tawk.

[0:14] John: Was I supposed to come in and say it's John?

[0:16] Tommy Bracco: I don't know.

[0:17] Phil Bracco: I don't know if we really planned it.

[0:18] Tommy Bracco: I was gonna give you like a big entrance, but I guess we're gave me one last week, so uh it's fine.

[0:22] Tommy Bracco: Guys, it's John's back.

[0:24] John: I'm back again.

[0:25] Phil Bracco: Yeah, he's back.

[0:26] Tommy Bracco: John's back, guys.

[0:27] Phil Bracco: John's return of John Party.

[0:29] John: He loved the he he loved the love he was getting.

[0:31] Phil Bracco: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[0:32] John: Um said sketchy, but I'm I kinda was hoping for a little hate.

[0:36] Tommy Bracco: It's it's kind of it's it was all positive, guys.

[0:39] Phil Bracco: But come on. There's gotta be a few of you out there that think he's an asshole.

[0:42] Tommy Bracco: Come on, let us know, please.

[0:44] Phil Bracco: I wouldn't doubt it.

[0:45] Phil Bracco: Right in tell us what an asshole you think John is.

[0:47] Tommy Bracco: We know he's mad sketch, and you know, that's what it is.

[0:50] Phil Bracco: Coming from King's Sketch over here.

[0:51] Tommy Bracco: Um, guys, by the way, so we got three guys on the podcast. It's gonna be very dominant male energy today.

[0:58] Phil Bracco: That's a first.

[0:58] John: I'm glad to be a part of that.

[1:00] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[1:01] Tommy Bracco: That's a first. No estrogen in this room.

[1:03] John: I mean, I think I might have a little bit of estrogen to be calling a beta spade, you know.

[1:08] Phil Bracco: It is what it is, but you said it, not me.

[1:11] John: I'll hold it down today for us girls.

[1:13] Tommy Bracco: Great. Let's uh so what do we want to talk about?

[1:16] Phil Bracco: I have a little feminine too.

[1:17] John: You are pretty feminine, also.

[1:21] Phil Bracco: I don't know any other guys that do dance school or I don't know, men your age.

[1:26] Tommy Bracco: Speaking of, have you texted Rachel? What's going on with your audition?

[1:28] John: Because she okay, guys, update. Rachel was supposed to call my dad on that Friday, then she something and said, sorry, something came up.

[1:38] John: I didn't get to call you. And that's why.

[1:43] Phil Bracco: You gotta follow up.

[1:44] John: Well, now I I have actually some medical news, so no dad.

[1:48] Phil Bracco: You're fine. Don't act like a little tiny cis on some things in his body that he might have to get drained.

[1:56] John: It's not a big sad thing. You could say drained it's called scraped.

[1:59] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[1:59] John: Yeah, Dad, stop. You're fine. You're literally fine.

[2:03] Phil Bracco: It's tiny mini.

[2:05] John: Centimeters.

[2:05] Phil Bracco: 14 centimeters.

[2:06] John: That's not tiny.

[2:07] Phil Bracco: It's not inches.

[2:08] John: It's centimeters.

[2:09] Phil Bracco: That's really tiny. Do you even know math?

[2:11] John: Yes.

[2:12] Phil Bracco: Are you that's so fucked up?

[2:15] Tommy Bracco: Um, all right, so uh point is you gotta reach out to Rachel. You gotta chase your dreams. You gotta when opportunities arise, you can't say no.

[2:22] Phil Bracco: That's it. You gotta be a yes man.

[2:24] John: He's looking for excuses out. I can just see it already. It's crazy.

[2:26] Phil Bracco: He's looking for excuses. People would kill for this opportunity, and you're just throwing it away like it's nothing. I'm so disappointed.

[2:33] John: Well, I I have been working. You taught me to be a fee to be a fighter.

[2:36] Phil Bracco: All right, let's go. But on another note, uh I'm sure you guys I think Angelica called in last night, but we give another update.

[2:44] Tommy Bracco: The now smaller boobed Angel is home and safe, and she's doing good and everything's going well with her.

[2:51] Phil Bracco: So just an update there on Angelica's house.

[2:54] John: Angelica's jugs.

[2:55] Phil Bracco: They're great. They're doing great.

[2:58] John: Oh my gosh. I'm a boyfriend, I can say it.

[3:01] Phil Bracco: Uncle, cousin, is a little weird.

[3:03] John: That was a little weird.

[3:04] Phil Bracco: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my dad's hiding in his shirt right now.

[3:06] John: But he's the one that was talking about it the most like.

[3:10] Phil Bracco: That's all I was saying. It was it was but the fact that you had an opinion on her chest was weird.

[3:15] John: That's where we went wrong. All right. Do you understand?

[3:18] Phil Bracco: Predictable.

[3:19] John: Okay, I have been waiting for this moment to go on a rant on Enzo. Enzo, Enzo, Enzo, guys, I'm so freaking disappointed.

[3:25] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[3:29] John: We had such high hopes for him. In my opinion, we are giving Enzo way more credit than he deserves for being a good player, and it's just because we like him.

[3:38] Phil Bracco: It's because he's likable.

[3:39] John: He has the best DRs. He has the best personality by far. He is playing the absolute worst game that I've ever seen in my life, and I'm so upset.

[3:48] Phil Bracco: He was playing a great game in the past.

[3:50] John: His social game was flawless. But strategically speaking, he makes the wrong move every single time.

[3:56] Phil Bracco: So I mean why is he going to the end with Cody and Nicole? Why? Why would he do this?

[4:04] John: So he had no choice.

[4:05] Phil Bracco: What difference is his game and Nicole's game? Everyone's playing the same game. Ride Cody's coattails. That's the name of the game this season.

[4:12] John: Why aren't they taking a shot at Cody? Why is Enzo trying to go to the end with Cody? It's so disappointing.

[4:16] Phil Bracco: He's setting himself up for for second place and or third.

[4:22] John: Okay. And it's just a disappointing season. Make a move. Grow some balls.

[4:28] Phil Bracco: He talks this talk all season long. He's all talking. We said that one of the first, like one of the original episodes that we did was let's talk Enzo's All Talk.

[4:38] John: Like we knew it in the beginning. He's all talk.

[4:41] Phil Bracco: Sure. But he plays it up to the fans. We but still, we're like, who's gonna win? Maybe Enzo has a shot. I hear the whole entire Big Brother community saying that.

[4:50] John: Why? Just because we like him. That's it. That's it. The only reason he's gonna talk. A terrible player.

[4:54] Phil Bracco: Go ahead. I had to go get that out. Because it was really weighing on me. Like I love Enzo, but he's literally the worst player in the house right now, in my opinion.

[5:05] Phil Bracco: Alright, when did he win HOH?

[5:06] John: In the beginning.

[5:08] Phil Bracco: Okay, where it was too early to take a shot.

[5:10] John: Yeah, absolutely.

[5:11] Phil Bracco: The la and then he won the last one.

[5:13] John: No, I didn't say that. Let me finish.

[5:15] Phil Bracco: Alright, I let you talk.

[5:16] John: Okay, okay. Then he won the final four.

[5:18] Phil Bracco: And it didn't matter if you put up Cody at that point.

[5:22] John: Right? Actually, it did not matter because the person who went to the veto is the one that's going to make the final vote.

[5:28] Phil Bracco: So it didn't matter who's on the block.

[5:31] John: Right.

[5:31] Phil Bracco: You have said that in the past. So don't go try and change your mind now.

[5:34] John: No, no, no. Stop raising your voice.

[5:37] Phil Bracco: He's like changing. It's all that male energy in here.

[5:39] John: Yeah, yeah. Look at it. You could tell the difference. Because you're trying to sit there and tell me you're yelling and saying You're just trying to get loud, and then that's the way of combating me.

[5:47] Phil Bracco: But like you're actually not really saying anything.

[5:50] John: Get loud if you have actually something to say.

[5:52] Phil Bracco: I just said it. There was nothing he could have done.

[5:54] John: He didn't win any of those HOHs.

[5:56] Phil Bracco: Okay, okay. What he did do is what I bring to keep in to the room.

[6:00] John: John hasn't even said a word.

[6:01] Phil Bracco: No, I bring it to the energy. I'm bringing this farther from you guys.

[6:04] John: No, he does actually. What he did do is keep Nicole, and that helped get Tyler evicted and Christmas.

[6:10] Phil Bracco: Right. So he did make some moves during the thing during the during the year.

[6:13] John: Hold up. That's where he went wrong. He was playing a great game until he didn't get to the board.

[6:18] Phil Bracco: You might say Nicole. You might say that. In hindsight, maybe. But at that point in time, because now he's in a final three and Cody is two final twos.

[6:26] John: At that point of time, he backstabbed those people and they got them on the block and evicted eventually.

[6:31] Phil Bracco: But what would have happened? So don't say he didn't do anything.

[6:33] John: To get him where though. To get him where.

[6:35] Phil Bracco: Well, right now. He's in the final three. As Cody. Who cares?

[6:39] John: Right. What he's got to do is win now. That's it. He's got to win. And how is he going to win?

[6:42] Phil Bracco: Now this is my point. That's it. He's got to win because otherwise he don't go. He finishes third.

[6:46] John: And Christmas is right. Congratulations.

[6:48] Phil Bracco: I'm ready to shoot down every single point.

[6:49] John: Okay. I'm ready to shoot down every single point you made.

[6:53] Phil Bracco: Because yes, he won HOH and he didn't have a say with the veto. But what is he saying on the feeds? What is he saying in his DRs? Those things matter.

[7:02] John: He's saying Cody's my boy. I'm taking Cody. I'm loyal to Cody. Cody, Cody, Cody. And that is a set he's setting himself up to lose.

[7:12] Phil Bracco: If he was on the feed saying, listen, if he was on the feed saying, I'm hoping that so and so wins, and then I can get rid of Cody in the DR, I'm like, yeah, give it up for Enzo.

[7:30] John: He just didn't win. It's fine.

[7:32] Phil Bracco: Oh my gosh. Jamie Cousin just got here, and I think she brought me French onion soup.

[7:38] John: I love French onion soup.

[7:40] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I got it for you.

[7:42] John: I love you. Thank you. That was the best surprise.

[7:45] Phil Bracco: Jamie, do you want to just leave it?

[7:46] John: I uh when I'm done, I'll eat it. I'm so excited. Guys, I love French onion soup.

[7:52] Phil Bracco: Me and my cousins, we're starting a French onion soup Instagram where we go all over the tri-state area trying different French onion soups, and we let you guys know which ones are the best.

[8:02] John: I feel like that'd be really cool.

[8:04] Phil Bracco: All right. Well, let's make it. People love French onion soup.

[8:07] John: I love French onion soup. It's so cool.

[8:08] Phil Bracco: But I follow on Instagram of French onion soup.

[8:10] John: No, but what do you want to know where the best French onion soup is?

[8:14] Phil Bracco: Yeah, maybe. I guess I would.

[8:15] John: But yeah, actually. Yes, I would. You need a niche. You need something specific.

[8:19] Phil Bracco: That's French onion soup.

[8:21] John: Enzo to French onion soup. Can we get back to the thought?

[8:24] Phil Bracco: But that was so sweet because I mentioned it, but then I didn't think I was gonna see her, and she wound up coming back and surprising me with it anyway.

[8:30] John: Um anyway, so thank you, Jamie, for the French onion soup. I can't wait to eat that. Uh so I'm not done arguing with you about this.

[8:37] Phil Bracco: No, but my point is if he was being savage in the DRs on the feeds, then I would have more respect.

[8:43] John: But he's still all about Cody when he's when it's just him and the hero.

[8:48] Phil Bracco: He was also saying he wanted Christmas because he can't she would take out Nicole.

[8:54] John: And he no, that's not he doesn't. No, no, no. That's not why he doesn't want he wanted Christmas.

[8:58] Phil Bracco: He wanted Christmas taking because that removes Nicole.

[9:01] John: Right.

[9:01] Phil Bracco: And that keeps Nicole off Cody's side.

[9:04] John: So he wants just Enzo.

[9:05] Phil Bracco: Yeah. That leaves he wants Cody to himself.

[9:07] John: Right. Now he's got to share Cody with Nicole.

[9:10] Phil Bracco: So it's still about the thing is this could have turned from Cody's game to big brother if Enzo went with Tyler and Christmas and voted Nicole out.

[9:21] John: Now you cut Nicole out from Cody. And now who is Cody gonna turn to? His main man Enzo.

[9:28] Phil Bracco: Because you have him to have him. Because Tyler was with Cody, Tyler voted against Nicole. So if Enzo voted with Cody, who's Enzo gonna go to at that point? All he's got is Memphis, then.

[9:39] John: Right.

[9:39] Phil Bracco: He's gonna stick with Enzo. So now Cody, you mean I'm talking about Cody. Cody would have to be. Who is Cody gonna go to Enzo? He's gonna stick with Enzo.

[9:46] John: I agree. That would be a big move. That would have made the game more level for everybody.

[9:52] Phil Bracco: I agree. But instead, he did what co what was best for Cody. That wasn't what was best for him. That was what's best for Cody, and this has been Cody's game.

[9:59] John: Actually, he thought it was best for him.

[10:01] Phil Bracco: No, I'm just letting you know. That's that's the bottom line is at that particular time, he thought it was best, and then later on he goes, Maybe it wasn't so good.

[10:09] John: Yeah, because that's where he went wrong. That's where the whole game went wrong for Enzo. Enzo was playing a great game. I don't care how much he was talking it up in the DRs. We gotta make a big move, yo, yo, I'm gonna clip this one, I'm gonna clip that one.

[10:19] Phil Bracco: And then he would never do it, and that's fine. I didn't care about that. But when it actually became when the time when it was game time and the time was there to make a big move, he didn't show up, and now it's biting him in the ass.

[10:29] John: Yeah.

[10:29] Phil Bracco: And it was pretty obvious at that time too. I think everyone that was watching realized that it bit him in the ass.

[10:34] John: I loved when Christmas said, Enzo, congratulations, you played for third place.

[10:37] Phil Bracco: That was pretty cool. Well done, Christmas.

[10:39] John: Because it's facts. This is what he did wrong on his first season, too. He stood with those two guys, Hayden and uh and Lane.

[10:45] Phil Bracco: Mm-hmm.

[10:46] John: And he got third place.

[10:47] Phil Bracco: Exactly. So now what about this? Let me hear what you guys think about this. So now he is where he is. He won um the HOH.

[10:52] John: So now it doesn't matter who you put put up, right?

[10:57] Phil Bracco: Right.

[10:57] John: Everyone knows it doesn't matter who you put up.

[10:59] Phil Bracco: Right.

[11:00] John: Why? Just for the sake of argument, why don't you put up Cody just so Cody in his final two can't say I went the whole season without that going on the block?

[11:09] Phil Bracco: What is the downfall of not putting Cody?

[11:18] John: But you tell Cody to his face. And you and you put him, you tell him why. Then I don't want you to say that in the final.

[11:26] Phil Bracco: Because there must have been more conversations about that.

[11:28] John: But he's but what would the conversation be? I don't think you should put me up. Why? What's Cody's defense?

[11:34] Phil Bracco: Right now, Enzo feels, and maybe he's wrong, but he feels I'm final two with Cody.

[11:38] John: Right. And that's why he did that.

[11:40] Phil Bracco: If he would have put Cody on the block. Don't forget they didn't know who's gonna win the veto, right?

[11:47] John: So if he puts Cody on the block, Cody might say, Enzo, I'm not bringing him the final two.

[11:54] Phil Bracco: I mean, that's what he's probably thinking.

[11:56] John: I I think he I hear that. I hear that. But from what I saw on the episode, he was like joking around with him and saying he could have been just like, yo, Cody. It doesn't matter who goes up, I'm putting you up. Just it's a game move.

[12:06] Phil Bracco: It's a game move. You gotta respect it. If we happen to get in the final two together, you know, you can't say it. Like, so what? At that point, you gotta make some sort of move.

[12:16] John: You're still playing Cody's game. Now you're just giving Cody more ammo in the final two for his speech.

[12:22] Phil Bracco: That's all you're doing.

[12:23] John: So you think you're saving yourself. You're only bettering his game.

[12:26] Phil Bracco: Exactly. So in his head, you're saying he's not doing it because he doesn't want to piss Cody off.

[12:30] John: Yeah, that's the only thing. But it doesn't matter. So your goal is to go like that. That's being a good Big Brother player. If you are able to spin things so that you make people feel a certain way about the outcome that you want.

[12:54] Phil Bracco: That's what I wanted to say.

[12:55] John: So you want to say that, right?

[12:57] Phil Bracco: That's what I want to say.

[12:58] John: I'm gonna give you some credence, right? But look what happened when he went to win the final HOH.

[12:59] Tommy Bracco: Who's he?

[12:59] John: Which one?

[12:59] Phil Bracco: Enzo.

[12:59] John: When he went to win what final HOH, Cody and Nicole were pissed off that he wasn't a team.

[13:10] Phil Bracco: Exactly.

[13:11] John: Ronnie.

[13:11] Phil Bracco: Right. And what did we say tonight?

[13:14] Tommy Bracco: Cody's pissed off at Enzo already.

[13:16] Phil Bracco: And he didn't put him on the block.

[13:18] John: But he's already, like when Enzo went inside, it was just Nicole and Cody outside, and Cody was like, I'm done.

[13:24] Phil Bracco: Like he was talking shit about it because he didn't, he's done with him already.

[13:28] John: Because he tried to win the final HOH, that's why.

[13:31] Phil Bracco: Which he should have.

[13:31] Tommy Bracco: Which he should have been.

[13:32] Phil Bracco: He's gotta make moves for himself.

[13:33] John: He can't do it.

[13:34] Phil Bracco: Which he had to, right?

[13:35] Tommy Bracco: That's my point.

[13:36] Phil Bracco: And as soon as he did that, where you say, oh, what happened is Cody and Nicole were like, he's not a team player, not a man at him.

[13:42] John: You said to yourself, you guys just like it.

[13:44] Phil Bracco: So the damage is done.

[13:45] John: You guys were saying, um, he didn't know that though.

[13:48] Phil Bracco: He does.

[13:48] John: He does.

[13:49] Phil Bracco: The damage is done.

[13:50] John: At some point, you gotta play for yourself.

[13:51] Phil Bracco: You guys are saying, let me think.

[13:52] John: You gotta make a move thought before you keep interrupting me.

[13:55] Phil Bracco: Okay, you guys both said I would love to see you try and come out of this because there's no way you guys convinced me that Enzo's playing a good game.

[14:01] John: Cody's been acting a little weird lately.

[14:03] Phil Bracco: He's acting like a little, like I think he's dicky.

[14:07] John: I didn't say that.

[14:07] Phil Bracco: Angelica said it.

[14:08] John: Right.

[14:09] Phil Bracco: When you guys all agree, yeah.

[14:10] John: He's been acting weird lately.

[14:11] Phil Bracco: I didn't know, don't say don't remote my mouth.

[14:13] John: He's getting a little arrogant.

[14:15] Phil Bracco: Sure, but Angelica said that.

[14:16] John: Angelica said that, but he's feeling himself.

[14:18] Phil Bracco: Who's in a better spot than him?

[14:21] John: He's pretty much guaranteed to win that first part of the last HOH.

[14:25] Phil Bracco: He's got the final three are his two people that are all the game to take him.

[14:30] John: He's winning the game.

[14:31] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[14:32] John: He has two people fighting to be his personality.

[14:34] Phil Bracco: So the three scenarios are Cody wins HOH, then he goes to Final Two.

[14:37] John: Nicole wins HOH, she takes him the final two.

[14:40] Phil Bracco: Enzo wins HOH, he takes him the final two.

[14:42] John: Cody's going to final two.

[14:46] Phil Bracco: So either Nicole or Enzo win.

[14:50] John: They cannot take Cody or they will lose.

[14:53] Phil Bracco: Yes, but they're going to.

[14:54] John: That's the point.

[14:54] Phil Bracco: And that's why I'm going to go to the next one.

[14:57] John: It's when the time comes, will they do that?

[14:59] Phil Bracco: 100%.

[15:00] John: And I agree.

[15:00] Phil Bracco: And I told, and I said this earlier when we were watching the episode.

[15:03] John: I think Nicole's game sucks.

[15:05] Phil Bracco: I don't, I think her game is the same as Enzo's.

[15:07] John: Both of them stink.

[15:08] Phil Bracco: They're wrote Cody's coattails the whole way.

[15:11] John: If one of them win the final HOH and cut Cody, they then deserve my, they deserve respect for the game and they deserve votes.

[15:19] Phil Bracco: I don't think, I don't care that Nicole's a two-time winner.

[15:21] John: That to me, I said last week.

[15:23] Phil Bracco: That don't make a difference to me.

[15:24] John: I don't think nobody, anybody respects her win, and I don't think anybody respects her as a champion this time around.

[15:29] Phil Bracco: So I don't care about that.

[15:30] John: I know that's her speech, whatever.

[15:31] Phil Bracco: But I think that's one of them is part of it's definitely something to add to the show.

[15:36] John: That's what she's gonna say.

[15:37] Phil Bracco: That's what she's gonna say.

[15:38] John: 100%.

[15:38] Phil Bracco: You might not think that it's like it holds a lot of weight.

[15:43] John: You might not think.

[15:43] Phil Bracco: Oh, tonight in tonight's episode, David was the only one like, oh, Nicole, she uh she would get a vote from me because she's a two-time winner.

[15:52] John: If your opinion aligns with David, you should know right there that you're wrong.

[15:56] Phil Bracco: David is the worst Big Brother player of all time.

[15:59] John: So Thomas, your opinion.

[16:00] Phil Bracco: I don't care if you're on the same season.

[16:01] John: You're aligning with David because you guys have the same opinions, so therefore you get the automatic L on that.

[16:07] Phil Bracco: I know.

[16:07] John: I was really surprised to hear Danny talking because she was on the opposing side of David and she respects the game discussion.

[16:15] Phil Bracco: They don't respect Nicole as a winner.

[16:18] John: I know.

[16:18] Phil Bracco: They probably all believe that she shouldn't have won against Paul, and they probably all didn't care about bringing her along in this season because they don't think anybody likes her.

[16:27] John: You know what it is though?

[16:28] Phil Bracco: Here's the thing.

[16:29] John: When you watch, here's the thing.

[16:30] Phil Bracco: When you watch uh Nicole's season with Paul versus Paul's season with Josh, Paul's season with Josh, he should have won.

[16:40] John: That was his second season.

[16:42] Phil Bracco: And that's the last impression that people have.

[16:45] John: But his season with Nicole, I actually think that it was a toss up both of their games.

[16:50] Phil Bracco: I don't think that he played as good of a game the first time around.

[16:53] John: But we remember and respect Paul as a player, and the last impression that we have is his season with Josh.

[17:01] Phil Bracco: So we just loop Nicole's win in with Josh.

[17:05] John: But the same applies for Nicole.

[17:06] Phil Bracco: The last oppression impression applies for Nicole, and she was not very well liked by the Big Brother community, and you know, you even said she's not very well liked, so it's not seen polls apply for her.

[17:17] John: I don't know if I agree with you there.

[17:19] Phil Bracco: I know you're a fan of Paul, but an amazing player.

[17:24] John: I didn't think he played a great game the second time.

[17:26] Phil Bracco: Isn't that a good one?

[17:26] John: Oh my god, are you?

[17:27] Phil Bracco: Isn't that the French the friendship bracelets?

[17:29] John: And he was the first time.

[17:31] Phil Bracco: Was that the first time?

[17:32] John: No, no, no, no.

[17:33] Phil Bracco: It was the second back.

[17:34] John: He was given Jessica Cody.

[17:36] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[17:36] John: I think he played a sick game.

[17:38] Phil Bracco: Like so he got a game.

[17:38] John: It was only Jess and Cody that were against him.

[17:40] Phil Bracco: He had the entire house wrapped around his finger because he was uh an alum.

[17:44] John: Yeah.

[17:44] Phil Bracco: It was pretty impressive.

[17:45] John: It was.

[17:46] Phil Bracco: I didn't finish.

[17:46] John: I'll give you that.

[17:47] Phil Bracco: But did we just tell you who went to the book?

[17:49] John: No, no.

[17:49] Phil Bracco: No, I know who won.

[17:50] John: Oh, okay.

[17:50] Phil Bracco: I just haven't seen the whole season.

[17:51] John: Got it, guys.

[17:52] Phil Bracco: I'll give you that.

[17:53] John: But what I complaining about is he had like five weeks of safety.

[17:57] Phil Bracco: I mean, things were set up for him.

[17:59] John: Absolutely.

[18:00] Phil Bracco: Yeah, absolutely.

[18:01] John: I don't believe he played as a few.

[18:02] Phil Bracco: Yeah, he had three weeks of safety.

[18:03] John: I can't believe he's a big thing.

[18:04] Phil Bracco: Because he had three weeks of the state of the city.

[18:05] John: Either way.

[18:06] Phil Bracco: He was the only person that was a vet in the house.

[18:08] John: He would have been voted out first if he didn't have those three weeks of safety.

[18:11] Phil Bracco: That gave him that put him on an even playing field.

[18:13] John: And when he came out of the three weeks, you would think that they would be like, alright, finally we can get Paul out.

[18:18] Phil Bracco: Nope, they were all obsessed with him.

[18:20] John: He was an amazing player.

[18:21] Phil Bracco: But that season is the one that I think.

[18:24] John: This light is gonna drive me nuts.

[18:25] Phil Bracco: I know one of the lights.

[18:27] John: Yeah, yeah.

[18:28] Phil Bracco: It's driving me crazy.

[18:29] John: But anyway, I just think that Paul's game was so impressive the second time around and Josh won.

[18:37] Phil Bracco: And now we just have in our heads the impression that we have.

[18:41] John: I've said this. I'm beating a dead horse, but at this point.

[18:46] Phil Bracco: Um, that's why I think that people don't respect Nicole's game more.

[18:51] John: It's because of the way that Paul left off with the Big Brother community.

[18:54] Phil Bracco: And also because the Big Brother community does not like Nicole and a lot of people.

[18:58] John: I think that's a part of it.

[18:59] Phil Bracco: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[18:59] John: They don't respect her.

[19:01] Phil Bracco: They don't care that she was a champion.

[19:03] John: I do respect him.

[19:04] Phil Bracco: But you don't vote.

[19:05] John: I was a fan of hers.

[19:06] Phil Bracco: You don't vote yours.

[19:08] John: You don't vote.

[19:08] Phil Bracco: So it don't matter.

[19:10] John: If you want to vote for America's Favorite Player, go for it.

[19:14] Phil Bracco: Be my guest.

[19:14] John: That's where your vote counts.

[19:16] Phil Bracco: But your vote does not count for the winner of Big Brother this year.

[19:19] John: Speaking of guys, uh speaking of America's Favorite Player, Janelle announced on Twitter that if she wins America's Favorite Player, she will be donating all of her money, the whole entire uh winnings to give kids the world, that charity.

[19:33] Phil Bracco: So that's pretty amazing.

[19:34] John: She's got this one in the bag in my opinion.

[19:36] Phil Bracco: Um, what'd you guys think of Christmas and like her last stitch efforts to stay in the house?

[19:40] John: I was kind of impressed.

[19:42] Phil Bracco: And I, she gave a good try.

[19:44] John: I was definitely impressed.

[19:45] Phil Bracco: Crying gets a little annoying.

[19:46] John: Honestly, though, like I really do see if she's telling Cody, I'll take you to the final two, why would he want to keep a previous winner in the house over her at that point?

[19:58] Phil Bracco: Yeah, but would you trust her over Nicole?

[20:00] John: Yes.

[20:00] Phil Bracco: Would you like to do that?

[20:01] John: Well, Nicole would be gone.

[20:02] Phil Bracco: Yeah, but you weren't with Nicole from day one.

[20:04] John: Would you know?

[20:05] Phil Bracco: Pre-game alone.

[20:06] John: Yeah, no.

[20:07] Phil Bracco: Yeah, pre-game alone.

[20:08] John: Pre-game alliance.

[20:08] Phil Bracco: Let's be real.

[20:09] John: I don't know if that's true.

[20:10] Phil Bracco: Everybody's denied it.

[20:11] John: I don't know if that's true.

[20:11] Phil Bracco: Stop it.

[20:12] John: I'm not gonna go down.

[20:12] Phil Bracco: It's definitely true.

[20:13] John: Stop it.

[20:14] Phil Bracco: I really remember before the season started, every previous Big Brother player was on the phone with each other.

[20:22] John: I was on the phone with everybody, like eight people a day.

[20:25] Phil Bracco: Just talking about what's gonna happen.

[20:28] John: I bet you Enzo wasn't on the phone every day figuring out.

[20:31] Phil Bracco: Yeah, you're right.

[20:33] John: Oh my god.

[20:34] Phil Bracco: We gotta talk about uh his kids when they got the videos from home.

[20:37] John: And his kid goes how freaking funny his friend uh his son, it's Gian Nico.

[20:43] Phil Bracco: So Nico is like uh, hey dad, I'm gonna be a banana for Halloween.

[20:48] John: That was great.

[20:48] Phil Bracco: That was so funny.

[20:49] John: Yeah, no, they were cute.

[20:51] Phil Bracco: He got long arms, I'm sure he's a good athlete.

[20:53] John: Who?

[20:53] Phil Bracco: Nico?

[20:54] John: Yeah.

[20:54] Phil Bracco: Oh, okay.

[20:55] John: That's a weird thing to notice.

[20:56] Phil Bracco: Interesting observation.

[20:57] John: He did say that when we were watching the episode.

[20:59] Phil Bracco: I also thought that was an interesting observation then as well as I do now.

[21:02] John: Very, very peculiar.

[21:04] Phil Bracco: Baseball coach is a sports coach.

[21:06] John: I look at that and I go, oh, good.

[21:08] Phil Bracco: Why baseball players have long arms?

[21:09] John: No, football players have long arms.

[21:11] Phil Bracco: Oh, and swimmers, not swimmers.

[21:13] John: But you're a baseball coach.

[21:14] Phil Bracco: Yeah, but I a coach is a coach.

[21:16] John: Gotcha, gotcha.

[21:17] Phil Bracco: Okay, cool.

[21:19] John: Um Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hudd.

[21:22] Phil Bracco: Oh, yeah.

[21:23] John: Some call me Doc.

[21:25] Phil Bracco: Dr. Shekyl.

[21:26] John: Part-time dancer, part-time churns.

[21:30] Phil Bracco: Yeah, it's great.

[21:31] John: I gotta make up for Angelica.

[21:33] Phil Bracco: She's usually the one I understand.

[21:34] John: She's usually the one ripping into you.

[21:36] Phil Bracco: So I gotta I think the last thing I want to mention about the episodes.

[21:36] John: The last thing I feel like there's got uh oh yeah, we have questions.

[21:42] Phil Bracco: But I wanted to mention Nicole sitting on the outside couch when it's famous shows.

[21:50] John: Which by the way, Christmas was amazing with that shit work.

[21:54] Phil Bracco: No, those reverse pulse those reverse push-ups are really hard.

[21:57] John: I was doing them the other day, and I could only get five.

[22:00] Phil Bracco: And she just like she threw out like hour in through the boom.

[22:04] John: That was insane.

[22:05] Phil Bracco: Nicole's laying on the couch with a blanket on go.

[22:08] John: Visualizing her win.

[22:08] Phil Bracco: Yeah, but how funny.

[22:11] John: Because Angelica is all about manifesting in spirituality, and you know, we love on this podcast, Angelica hates Nicole.

[22:18] Phil Bracco: It's very lucky, Angelica's not here tonight because she would just all you would be hearing about is her flipping out about the scenes of Nicole tonight.

[22:25] John: Oh my god, visualizing her win, dancing around.

[22:28] Phil Bracco: Yeah, wait, you guys, we um went to Angelica and John's to watch the episode, and when that segment was happening, Angelica had the remote, and she just silently started fast forwarding through it because she didn't want to watch it.

[22:40] John: And we were rewinding.

[22:42] Phil Bracco: No, rewind it.

[22:43] John: One last thing though, I wanted to talk about with you guys is I thought this was great, the the BB comic fight for the luck, uh the luxury comp.

[22:50] Phil Bracco: Oh, right.

[22:50] John: I thought that was cool.

[22:51] Phil Bracco: Like, no, alright, this is so funny.

[22:53] John: I was so mad.

[22:53] Phil Bracco: I thought it was funny.

[22:54] John: I was so mad.

[22:55] Phil Bracco: It was so irrelevant and pointless, but it was just like funny seeing the comics.

[22:59] John: I'm agreeing with John here.

[23:00] Phil Bracco: No.

[23:01] John: I thought it was very funny.

[23:02] Phil Bracco: You get to see them as human beings.

[23:03] John: Did we want to watch Cody win another competition and win $10,000?

[23:06] Phil Bracco: No.

[23:06] John: No, I thought one.

[23:08] Phil Bracco: I know, but if it was something that wasn't as random as that, Cody probably would have won.

[23:13] John: And that wasn't as fun.

[23:14] Phil Bracco: So just I don't care who won it.

[23:16] John: It was just funny, you know, seeing them like get all hyped up watching these this random, you know, event happen, even though it may have not have been random, but so that's an interesting point.

[23:26] Phil Bracco: You think that they made it random and I'm doing air quotes because there's no way that was random.

[23:30] John: It was 100% fixed.

[23:32] Phil Bracco: It had to have been.

[23:33] John: But you think it's because Cody probably would have won anyway.

[23:35] Phil Bracco: So then we're going to be able to do probably like a 99.9% chance Cody was gonna win something.

[23:42] John: So this like kind of took away from that.

[23:44] Phil Bracco: But it was just funny to watch them like Enzo like cheering on his guy.

[23:48] John: Like I did like watching them cheer on their people, but Big Brother about skill.

[23:54] Phil Bracco: That was not skill, it was just completely chance.

[23:57] John: That's all.

[23:57] Phil Bracco: It was not humanizing.

[23:59] John: It was 10 minutes of my life wasted.

[24:01] Phil Bracco: It's also because they're in a way.

[24:02] John: Well, they also have nothing else.

[24:03] Phil Bracco: They have no segments, they have nothing to talk about.

[24:05] John: Nothing, it's all nonsense bullshit.

[24:07] Phil Bracco: They're just spewing truthfully crap out there.

[24:10] John: My truthful opinion is I do like I'm one of the few people that do like the season.

[24:15] Phil Bracco: What I don't of course he is.

[24:17] John: Of course he's the one that likes to see.

[24:19] Phil Bracco: Which I wish I wish was different.

[24:21] John: Was the people not in power would have won some HOHs.

[24:24] Phil Bracco: That was really the whole problem with the season.

[24:26] John: Well, then the whole season was.

[24:27] Phil Bracco: But I do like the people that were winning.

[24:29] John: That was the issue.

[24:30] Phil Bracco: Like them also.

[24:33] John: I agree with you.

[24:34] Phil Bracco: Um, you know, the committee technically was great. I'm gonna get a shirt to committee next year.

[24:40] Phil Bracco: Nah, the season's it sucked. Let's be honest.

[24:41] John: This season sucked, yeah, the cast sucked.

[24:44] Phil Bracco: Everybody sucked. The cast had no chemistry.

[24:47] John: Yeah, it did. It wasn't a lot of people ever watched.

[24:50] Phil Bracco: Just a cast full of, uh, of cast full of ass kissers. It was boring.

[24:53] John: Wasn't a lot of things. Nobody wanted to get it upset anybody.

[24:57] Phil Bracco: But the bottom line is the other side of the house has to win. In Big Brother 7, there was pregaming also.

[25:02] Phil Bracco: But the other side of the house sucked. And the other side of the house won, and it was power shifts.

[25:06] Phil Bracco: You didn't get that here, which is disappointing. But I really like the players. I mean, I...

[25:10] Phil Bracco: I do like Cody, I like Nicole, I like Enzo.

[25:14] John: Those are the ones I liked.

[25:15] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I hear you.

[25:17] John: I do hear you.

[25:18] Phil Bracco: I do like our top three as players.

[25:21] John: I do.

[25:21] Phil Bracco: I mm minus Enzo.

[25:24] John: I do like Nicole, though.

[25:26] Phil Bracco: I gotta say, like over the last few weeks, she has grown on me.

[25:29] John: I think I like her more as a person.

[25:31] Phil Bracco: You know, she wins and she does this awkward shimmy.

[25:34] John: I thought that was pretty cute.

[25:35] Phil Bracco: Yeah, she's great, I think.

[25:37] John: So I think she's annoying on me.

[25:40] Phil Bracco: She's uh I liked her her first season.

[25:41] John: I think she's annoying now.

[25:43] Phil Bracco: I don't have the hatred that Angelica does, or whatever it is that you just think she's annoying.

[25:47] John: I just think she's annoying, she sucks.

[25:49] Tommy Bracco: I don't know, I just mean yeah, I agree with you.

[25:52] John: Like, honestly, it's just I could do without her.

[25:56] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I don't think that anybody honestly is really impressing me.

[25:59] John: Just Cody, I would say.

[26:01] Phil Bracco: Everybody else is just who's the best out of what's left.

[26:05] John: But it's not none of them are good, though.

[26:07] Phil Bracco: But that's what we want for an all-star season. Like, just who can I find is like the best of what's there?

[26:11] Tommy Bracco: Like that's right, exactly.

[26:13] John: I know, but John I feel like John, what if what if, right? Janelle would have won an H.O.H. The whole season's different, but they didn't win.

[26:21] Phil Bracco: I mean, she had two chances.

[26:22] John: Janelle's not a good example. She had like two chances.

[26:24] Phil Bracco: I'm using Janelle. You had Bailey, you had Dave On.

[26:27] John: I agree with that point. You had you had all these guys.

[26:30] Phil Bracco: I agree with that point. They all could have won.

[26:32] John: Nobody won. The cast stunk all around.

[26:35] Phil Bracco: But I like those players too, but they just didn't win.

[26:37] John: Not good. Not good.

[26:38] Phil Bracco: There were very few people I didn't like in this show. Very few.

[26:41] John: I'm not talking about like personally. I'm talking about liking as Big Brother players. I'm not talking about like, oh, I hate them as a person.

[26:48] Phil Bracco: I get the case. The case was awful as a whole. Put it together.

[26:51] John: Listen, I don't like Kevin as a player, but he did finish third in the season, right? So it means he is a good player.

[26:56] Phil Bracco: Bad people go to four in the game all the time.

[27:00] John: I don't think it's that impressive when a bad player goes far.

[27:04] Phil Bracco: Bad players go far because people bring them along because they're easy to be a good thing.

[27:07] John: Yeah, but he won the world too. Do whatever the hell you want them to do.

[27:10] Phil Bracco: You know what, John? That's exactly right. We got a whole entire season of bad players that were brought to the end of their season because they were bad.

[27:19] John: Yeah. That's actually.

[27:20] Phil Bracco: Christmas didn't do anything that season because she had a broken foot. So whatever. We'll give her a pass for that.

[27:25] John: No, but she actually I agree with most of them. Right? Because she got that far, and she actually did well.

[27:31] Phil Bracco: I'm just saying, honestly, I love Janelle as a person and on TV, but she she went, used to win competitions, but other than that, she has terrible reads on the house.

[27:42] John: Like she's not a great player, honestly. If we're calling it, but my point is Right.

[27:48] Phil Bracco: When she was younger, she was a good one. But she's a legend. She deserves to be a good one.

[27:52] John: She was the best part that Kevin won to final three in the season. Does absolutely nothing.

[27:54] Phil Bracco: But he did win some couple of things. He was a good player in his season, honestly, he was.

[27:58] John: But in this case, everything does.

[28:00] Phil Bracco: Yeah. Right? I just don't understand.

[28:02] John: What I didn't like about him then was he wasn't loyal to his people. I didn't like that about him then.

[28:05] Phil Bracco: And but you would be okay. Like, so now Enzo should take Cody in your mind?

[28:13] John: No, when you get to the end like this, you know, he was in the end.

[28:17] Phil Bracco: If Enzo wins, he's got to take it. Kevin in his season was in the end.

[28:21] John: Yeah.

[28:22] Phil Bracco: So you get mad when people don't stay loyal, but yet you also respect it on other people. Like basically is what you're saying.

[28:28] John: I don't know what you're talking about. So on uh depending on who it is, you either depending on who is either loyal or backstabbing, that's it just depends on how to do it.

[28:42] Phil Bracco: If you wouldn't have took Christy Christie down, she would have gone home. And then I would have been exposed as a bigger target. So game wise, it was better for me.

[28:52] John: And what what Kevin said in his first season was I don't want to do that and become get an enemy because the HOH wants you to go home.

[29:00] Phil Bracco: Yeah. That's not the answer. And that's what bothered me about him and the season.

[29:03] John: I just want to point out if all of you remember the beginning of this podcast, the beginning of this season. Now look, look, look now. Ooh, I love this season. This season is great. I like this season. The cast is great. I love everybody.

[29:23] Phil Bracco: No, but was I waiting for the whole thing? This is why. Was I right? Wait, wait, wait. John is here.

[29:27] John: No, no. No, you can say that all you want, but was I right? There was no power shifts because those people didn't they didn't win.

[29:32] Phil Bracco: So now you're sitting here saying that. I like the people that are left, though. That's why I like it.

[29:35] John: There's three people left. I didn't like Cody, Nicole, and Enzo, I would hate the season.

[29:40] Phil Bracco: But there's only three people left out of 16.

[29:43] John: Right. Three might three people I like are left. So that means you automatically like the season as a whole because the three people that you liked at the beginning are now left? That makes the season good?

[29:51] Phil Bracco: You're gonna tell me that this season. Oh, I got him in a pretzel. Look at him. I got him in a pretzel.

[29:56] John: You're gonna tell me entertaining you saw a good game play.

[29:59] Phil Bracco: Oh no, I said that to you. I said it wasn't the power shifts, it wasn't the fighting.

[30:04] John: So then what did you like about the season? Just because your favorite three your favorite three got to the end?

[30:09] Phil Bracco: Yeah. So that makes you just like everything for the whole season.

[30:12] John: I enjoy the season now because my guys are there.

[30:15] Phil Bracco: Yeah. That doesn't make any sense.

[30:17] John: I just wanted to point that out to everybody. He was ragging on this season. And I was right. And I'm with him because I think it sucked.

[30:26] Phil Bracco: I just wanna point it out, Terry Rikes. Now he's Mr. I love it. Cause my little favourite's got some.

[30:35] John: Alright. Oh, he wants to move on to the question. Let's go to the next segment.

[30:39] Phil Bracco: Alright, questions. Um first one comes from Marion Hankel. Marion asks, uh, my questions for Tommy. I have always wondered during the nomination and veto ceremonies. The HOH and Vito winner have the same speech that is said every time. Are there cue cards for that?

[30:54] Tommy Bracco: Ooh, good question. Or do the house guests just have to memorize the script? Um, okay, so we actually take a break or a pause in between each line. So Big Brother will come on, the loudspeaker in the house and say, repeat after me. This is the nomination ceremony. Then we would say, This is the nomination ceremony. Next, take a pause. Okay, they got the shot. Now we move on. They feed us the next lines, and then they edit it together to be one fluid speech. Pretty pretty crazy. I didn't know that either.

[31:32] Phil Bracco: Okay, what am I doing? That's the last thing on your mind to memorize that. I don't even know. You're dealing with all the other stuff now.

[31:37] Tommy Bracco: But you want to hear something hilarious. I was giggling so hard that I couldn't get the lines out when I had to do the nomination ceremony, and they got so mad at me and so fed up, and I couldn't breathe. I was red in the face. I was having a really hard time getting through it.

[31:52] Phil Bracco: Wait, wait, wait. The next question. We can't answer it because Angelica's not here. And I guess I got sent these questions because I'm a guest now. I have to read these questions. You guys, you know, that wasn't in the contract when I came on tonight. But anyway, I took a look at them, and the next one is a question for Angelica from Caitlin Varkas. Um, Caitlin, Angelica is not Oh, Caitlin, I'm sorry. Angelica's not here tonight. That's why I'm filling in for her.

[32:17] Tommy Bracco: But it is this question for Angelica. First of all, girl, you are a badass and you are gorgeous. But riddle me this. You you are headed to a reality TV event. You walk in, and there's Nicole Franzel. How do you react? Oh my god. Are you cordial? Do you express your disgust?

[32:33] Phil Bracco: Well, get her on the phone. Yeah, we're calling her. That's a great question. That is a what WWAD. What would Angelica do?

[32:40] Tommy Bracco: That is Angelica, you're on the podcast.

[32:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, hi. We got a good one for you. We got a good question for you.

[32:47] Tommy Bracco: We had to call and get your opinion.

[32:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay. I'll read it. This is from Kaitlin Varkas. So she says, This question is for Angelica. First of all, girl, you are a badass and you are gorgeous. But riddle me this. You guys are headed to a reality TV event. You walk in, you walk in, and there's Nicole Franzel. How do you react? Are you cordial? Do you express your disgust? WWAD. What would Angelica do?

[33:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay. So I know exactly what I would think of, but I need to pause because my cousin is having a hanger tantrum. So let me go in another room.

[33:28] Tommy Bracco: Wait, okay. I can't move. You can't be walking around, Joe. You're supposed to be sitting down. What is going on?

[33:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: Who's having a hanger tantrum?

[33:35] Tommy Bracco: I'm Jamie. I'm fine.

[33:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wait, but she ate.

[33:39] Tommy Bracco: No, she didn't eat. The vodka rap game's disgusting. Let me answer my question because I know exactly how I would handle it.

[33:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay. I would totally be cordial because I'm not disrespectful and I'm not rude. But I also have zero problem letting people know exactly how I feel. And I would feel like I would have to tell her, listen, you really blew it this season. I didn't love you. I loved you from your past seasons, which is true. Right. I really did enjoy her on the past seasons. It's just this season, she rubbed me and the rest of America the wrong way. I know that I have plenty of people to back me up on that. And I think I would I like I said, I would be cordial, but I would just let her know, like, you know, people didn't love you this season. You were really being an annoying victim.

[34:24] Tommy Bracco: Angelica, before we let you go, can you just tell everybody what you did uh when we were all watching as a group and the Nicole segment came on on the TV show?

[34:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, thanks, Joe. We love you. Bye.

[34:42] Tommy Bracco: Bye. Love you guys. Bye.

[34:45] Phil Bracco: So wait. What I just got from that answer was she would be fake.

[34:49] John: Both. No, she would be cordial and express her disgust.

[34:52] Phil Bracco: Yeah. So she actually said she would do both. She didn't choose one or the other. While she said she would be so badass.

[34:59] John: So badass. Like, like I would be bad. Let's say it. Let's say it. I want to put her in the room when a co-friend does.

[35:04] Phil Bracco: I don't know. I think she just wouldn't say anything. She'd probably be Oh my god, Nicole, you were green.

[35:09] John: No, I don't think. I don't think she would say you were great.

[35:13] Phil Bracco: I know. I just said that because I think she wouldn't say anything. I said that because if she listens to the podcast, that's gonna fire.

[35:18] John: She's gonna be so fired up, like kidding me. I would never do that. Why are you telling them that?

[35:25] Phil Bracco: She'll be all fired up. You gotta just keep plants and seeds the rest of the stir the pot.

[35:31] John: That's what I do. So I'll just get it. This was just a little C to get her all fired up.

[35:40] Phil Bracco: Alright, do you want to read the next question, Dad?

[35:42] Tommy Bracco: It's from Stephanie Ayden. On another podcast, someone said the jurors are separated after round table discussion until the finale. Is this true? And do you guys get to come up with the questions you asked to the final two contestants? Or does production give them to you to read?

[35:58] Phil Bracco: Ooh, great question, Stephanie. Yes. So we are all one big happy family in the jury house, and then we all take a big huge like bus or van to the uh CBS lot. We do the round table segment, and right after the round table segment, you know, we hash it out.

[36:16] Tommy Bracco: First of all, the round table segment on the finale is usually like 10 minutes. It's like a 10 minute segment. We are actually there fighting and debating for like th two or three hours. It's really cool. Pretty long. It was honestly one of the highlights of the season for me. It was really awesome because we went in. And especially our season, like we had a bunch of gamers, and we just like we let each other have it too. Like there was one point where me and Christy ripped Kat apart, and I wish they would have aired it because it was kind of fun.

[36:44] Phil Bracco: Um, but anyway, so Kat would love it too. And then immediately after we go to our own separate hotel rooms because once we uh have the round table discussion, we're not allowed to talk about where we're leaning. That's the idea behind it. Um we're a jury. You know, the jury's not supposed to communicate when they're on a real trial, and neither are we.

[37:05] Tommy Bracco: And the other question was They asked if um do you guys come up with your own questions, or does production give you the questions to ask the title to Okay? So actually, right after the round table segment, we go up until into a room all together with the producers, and we come up with the questions together. We decide who's gonna read them, and then we go to our separate hotel rooms immediately after that. So that's the way it goes. Um and then we read them on finale night.

[37:30] Phil Bracco: Awesome. So Carly John Cola. I don't think this question was asked, but my question is when the HOH gets HOH gets their basket, who decides what is in it? Do you guys get to pick, or is there a list of things that can be put into it? P.S. I say this in every question I submit, but Angelica is always right. L O L.

[37:50] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. Alright, uh Carly, you you lose a little points there for that last comment. But I just want to say one thing. Uh it is really funny about the HOH basket because we sent a lot of stuff that they didn't put in the basket. So it's kind of we do send it.

[38:04] Phil Bracco: What did you send?

[38:06] Tommy Bracco: Um, I don't know. All this stuff that anything.

[38:11] Phil Bracco: Yeah, there was a lot of stuff that didn't make it in.

[38:13] Tommy Bracco: Nobody has no idea one of the things that didn't make it in.

[38:16] Phil Bracco: I don't think that's true.

[38:17] Tommy Bracco: It was a teddy bear from uh Victoria.

[38:20] Phil Bracco: Oh.

[38:20] Tommy Bracco: But that was it was because I already got too much. Like we already reached the the max. You can't send everything.

[38:27] Phil Bracco: No, it was in the same box. That's not true.

[38:30] Tommy Bracco: Right, but you can't send everything in one HOH basket. We gave uh you have like things built up in case that you would have to be a good one.

[38:38] Phil Bracco: Or three H O HOHs.

[38:39] John: Right, exactly.

[38:40] Phil Bracco: Which is four H O HOHs.

[38:42] John: So that's why.

[38:43] Phil Bracco: Another mental pretzel thing.

[38:45] John: No, they would ask us for send more stuff then. That's all that is.

[38:48] Phil Bracco: No, no, no, no. You send everything in the beginning and that's it.

[38:51] John: No. I'm telling you, we we gave the little remember we make a funny outfit you wore um in the pictures?

[38:57] Phil Bracco: The yellow and the red and that and we sent you the baby clothes that matched that outfit.

[39:03] John: Didn't make it in there.

[39:04] Phil Bracco: Right.

[39:05] John: There were there was a bunch of stuff, that's all.

[39:07] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[39:08] John: Anyway.

[39:09] Phil Bracco: Because that was a freaking weird thing to send.

[39:11] John: Baby clothes. Why would they put baby clothes in like HOH?

[39:15] Phil Bracco: They sent me the worst HOH gifts every time.

[39:17] John: No, no, no, no. Could you imagine? Hey everybody, you want to come see my HOH room? There's Thomas running up. And it's freaking out. And he opens up his basket. He's like, Oh, here's these little baby clothes. This is fucking weird. I don't know what I would have done. Like, I would have thought, like, what is this because like why there are no babies in the family? I'm confused. Like, are they trying to tell me something? I would have been very confused.

[39:39] Phil Bracco: Yeah. So I'm really glad that the baby was a little bit more. Actually, good job, big brother. Good job.

[39:42] John: Yeah, they had they had a sick. They also wait, how about this guy? Listen up too. Uh when I came home, my parents made up a huge life uh a huge blanket with a photo of me and my brother on it, and it says like brothers, and it's very weird. It's a weird blanket.

[40:00] Phil Bracco: So that was the other thing that they were trying to get my HOH basket, and I would have been mortified if it was in there.

[40:08] John: Um It was a weird blanket. It's literally like one of those shutterfly huge blankets.

[40:14] Phil Bracco: Yes, but it was something to remember home from. We also had a pillow with Franny on the floor. When you look at me, you can always see home. That kind of stuff. I mean, you know, there was a pillow with Franny on it. That didn't get it.

[40:25] John: Yeah, like they sent they made all these things on Shutterfly with like these weird random photos that they took on their phone. Let's not get it.

[40:31] Phil Bracco: They're like say we. Alright. Wait, no way. The best HOH basket of all time. Baby clothes, a pillow with your dog's face on it, and a blanket with you and your brother's face on it. That's what they want to do. All time weirdest shit ever in Asian.

[40:47] John: It was a life size film and Tommy. It's a life-size photo. Like it's a huge photo of me and my body. I would have been like, where's the real HOH basket? This is the weirdest shit ever. Like, send me something like from the I don't know. Like something that you ordered all these things off Shutterfly that I never saw in my life. It's not like they have any personalized. My mother.

[41:09] Phil Bracco: Yeah. That's definitely why they didn't ask you back for all stars. They were like, we don't want that weird shit going on. Who knows what they're gonna send this time around? What weird shit are they gonna put in the HOH basket this time around? Let's just cut that off right now. It was bad news.

[41:25] John: Oh my god. It would have been mortified if you got that.

[41:27] Phil Bracco: No, I know. I was so embarrassed.

[41:30] John: Oh gosh. Alright, next question comes from Christy Romero. Hi guys, I'm rewatching old BB seasons because this one has been so sleep-inducing. I'm at Tommy's season, and I have questions. When Tommy was the astronaut and had to do the traveling at the speed of smell, was there actually a smell sent out?

[41:48] Tommy Bracco: Yes. The answer is yes. It was terrible. The smell was called liquid ass. That's literally what it is called. Liquid ass. You can they showed it to me on their phones afterwards, the producers there or the the production, the PAs, whatever. They were like, hey, you want to see this is what we ordered. And it was literally a picture on Amazon of liquid ass in a bottle. So look it up, guys, if you really want to smell what it was like. It was absolutely terrible.

[42:16] John: Um second question: how long does the veto ceremony take?

[42:19] Tommy Bracco: Hours and hours and hours. Veto ceremonies are so boring. Nomination ceremonies are so boring. You're just sitting in the room waiting for them to get the shots. It was actually really the most boring part of the um season of the experience.

[42:34] John: Uh third, do you know how when cameras are down?

[42:37] Tommy Bracco: No, you don't.

[42:38] John: Um we we have no idea. Fourth. Wow, you got a lot of questions. Alright. Fourth, do the juries actually make the jury questions or does production?

[42:45] Tommy Bracco: We just answered that. We all make it together. Um and lastly, general question. Do you think if Enzo gets to Final Two that he will throw in there something about how he did in pregame in his speech? Would he be allowed to do that?

[42:56] John: I think that would be frickin' awesome, but don't think he has the cojones to do that. Cahones, is that how you say to do it? Um, also just one more thought. I adored Nicole her first time playing. The second time I was disappointed because she got really entitled. But I like her uh and watched her in the amazing race. This season, though, she came in entitled and spoiled, and she's leaving it even worse. It's sad to watch her downfall, and I hope she makes uh changes when she watches herself back. I haven't said Angelica was right in the email, but you know it's true.

[43:33] Tommy Bracco: That's pretty hilarious. That was a really well written email, Christy. I really loved that. Thanks. Um, alright. Listen, I respect your opinion on Nicole. I see where you're coming from. I do. I'm not gonna lie. I totally see where you're coming from, but I do think that there's more positive. Um I I don't yeah to her than people give her credit for.

[43:54] John: Uh, let's talk about Enzo. Do you think that he'll talk about the pre-gaming in his speech?

[43:57] Tommy Bracco: I don't think he can.

[43:58] John: No, I don't think so either.

[43:59] Tommy Bracco: I don't think I don't think he has the corners.

[44:02] John: Yeah, I don't think he's a big thing. But I don't think he'd be allowed to do either.

[44:04] Tommy Bracco: He don't got the balls.

[44:05] John: No, he don't got the balls. I know it's a live show, but I don't think remember, let's talk Enzo's all talk. He's all talk and all balk and no bite.

[44:13] Phil Bracco: Facts. That's it. I'm sorry, Enzo. He seems like the best guy.

[44:17] John: Yeah, all the facts, yo.

[44:19] Phil Bracco: Exactly. Facts, yo. Uh next question. Aaron Woldred. Someone else take it because I just read an entire.

[44:22] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. Um Aaron says, Tommy, I was wondering what it was like navigating the BB experience, which has a different moral framework than most of our daily lives. How do you shift back into real life? Both in terms of trusting others and in recalibrating your own moral compass. Is that an ongoing process? I imagine it would be quite paradigm shift.

[44:44] Tommy Bracco: Well, honestly. You got it, Dad. That was good. Well done. Um great question, Aaron. Yeah, it it it is definitely an adjustment. Um I think we talked about this on the podcast before, but it was hard for me to be in big groups, was the biggest change that when I got back out of the house. It is a social experiment. Um, and it definitely did change me. I wish I could say it changed me for the better. I honestly don't think it did. It made me just a little more anxious in life.

[45:13] John: Okay.

[45:13] Tommy Bracco: Um, sometimes I have a hard time communicating now, and I I stutter more than I ever have before. And I think that that is all because of the game, honestly. Um, but it was still worth it. A thousand percent worth it. You know, it it might have fucked me up, but I I wouldn't take it back to the world.

[45:31] Phil Bracco: That's what I'm saying. I mean, I just remember when he came out of the house and we would talking, he'd be walking in the room and go, You guys talking about me?

[45:37] Tommy Bracco: No, that's not. He's freaking that's crazy, dad. I'm not a psychopath. That's weird. Look at Jesus. He's trying to, he's trying to stir it up.

[45:46] John: You're not as good at it as me with stirring the pop.

[45:48] Phil Bracco: Yeah, he's not, dad. Take note.

[45:52] Tommy Bracco: Um, last question. Who wants it?

[45:54] John: Ashley Newman.

[45:56] Tommy Bracco: Ashley Newman. Tommy, can you talk about how CBS prepares for the house guests for what's coming when you leave the house? Do you get a rundown of what on what's been said? I've noticed before in the backyard interviews after the finale, it seems like the house guests have been prepped about what the fans have been saying about them. For example, I remember in season 20, Angela already knew that the fans had referred to her as furniture towards the beginning of the season.

[46:20] Phil Bracco: Wow. Interesting. Do they prep you?

[46:24] Tommy Bracco: They did not prep me. You didn't know what fans were saying about anything.

[46:28] Phil Bracco: Weren't you supposed to see psychologists before you go out?

[46:30] Tommy Bracco: I can only speak from personal experience. Nobody told me anything that was going on. Nothing.

[46:38] Phil Bracco: You're an interesting case. I mean, maybe you're not an interesting case. You're actually a normal case because nothing was really going on with you outside of the house.

[46:46] John: Right.

[46:47] Tommy Bracco: I guess this question would be better for someone to answer. That way there was a little controversy. If you were some kind of thing, I think we learned that there was some specifically like targeted directly at him. We learn how the season is being perceived for the first time when the people who got evicted pre jury ask us questions on stage on during the live show. That's the first time that we're hearing how the show was received. We're getting any feedback at all. It's from them, and we can kind of gauge um and make some assumptions based off of that is kind of what we ride the vibes there.

[47:24] John: Yeah, we ride the vibes there.

[47:26] Tommy Bracco: Exactly. Like, you know, the vibes. Kemi's challenging Christy, Jackson, and Jack. We know that and Nick, we know that that's a big part of the channel. That's what's going on that side.

[47:34] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[47:35] Tommy Bracco: That's how you know. Facts. And then after we leave the finale, when the cameras go off, and right before we go into the backyard, they pull a few people that need to be aware of some things to the side, and they talk to them before they allow them to do the interviews. Um it's only right to do that. That's the way they're not getting blindsided in all these interviews, and they're like, oh, whoa, what's going on? I think they pull them aside just to be like, hey, these are the things that were said, these are the th like, you know, just things that you need to know. Everyone hates you, you suck, you effed up.

[48:10] John: Yeah.

[48:11] Tommy Bracco: Go do some interviews. I was not pulled aside, so that is a good thing. Um, yeah.

[48:16] Phil Bracco: Um, anyway, guys, that's it. That's what we got for you.

[48:19] John: Wow. That's it.

[48:20] Phil Bracco: That's it.

[48:20] Tommy Bracco: Thanks for having me guys. Can we give John a round of applause? I hope I was. I don't know if you know if everyone listens to both like the bachelor episodes and the big brother episodes, but I heard the guest last night, you know, was a little bit of a dud and a flop. So I hope I was a little bit better than she was.

[48:40] John: I know I was. But anyway, I hope I was a little better than she was. You guys let us know. Who do you think was better? Me or Jamie. I know the answer, but I thought she did fine.

[48:52] Phil Bracco: She was a flop.

[48:53] John: She was a flop.

[48:55] Phil Bracco: She was a little off on some of her details and yeah, yeah. Some of her facts were incorrect.

[49:01] John: No, but she would still sit here and say that they are correct, and she's which is crazy. But hey, listen. And then I found it funny today watching her and one of the listeners go back and forth.

[49:11] Phil Bracco: Yeah, her on on Instagram, her and one of the uh the viewers were fighting or the listeners yeah they were fighting. I thought it was funny. But uh yeah I loved it.

[49:19] Tommy Bracco: Um anyway John thanks for coming on we have you all really are amazing. It's really fun you bring a good energy to the room. We didn't talk about amazing race we forgot to you know we'll talk about it next time. Listen Big Brother's finishing up and we got we got one more episode of Big Brother Real Talk guys that's it and Angelica will be back for it which is exciting. We love John but we miss Jell.

[49:37] Phil Bracco: There's an episode tomorrow.

[49:40] Tommy Bracco: Yeah but Monday Wednesday tomorrow Monday Wednesday that's it's done. So we've got one more episode I think of Big Brother that's it maybe we do two more after Monday and Wednesday right you have to all right guys we're gonna do two more episodes. Literally you're you're seeing it unfold right here.

[49:58] Phil Bracco: I mean I mean it's yeah it's decided on the spot.

[49:58] Tommy Bracco: On the spot we'll do an episode to be released on Tuesday morning and then right after the round table or no right so you think Will is gonna do the round table?

[50:11] Phil Bracco: Oh the fourth person was a per fourth place person was evicted so now that's when they go right into the round table.

[50:18] Tommy Bracco: Yeah so that's they did the round table tonight then they did the round table tonight.

[50:23] Phil Bracco: It's immediately after the first fourth place person is evicted.

[50:26] Tommy Bracco: He never uh Christmas didn't join them.

[50:28] Phil Bracco: She did tonight.

[50:29] Tommy Bracco: She did not yeah but we don't see it but that's what we're gonna see it on next episode exactly we didn't see it on this episode but right now they're filming the round table as we're recording.

[50:38] Phil Bracco: Oh right so we're gonna see it tomorrow night so we're gonna see it no tomorrow night will probably be like a look back at the season and stuff they do one of those episodes usually boring so we have a Monday and a Wednesday you said too Monday and then finale Friday Monday Wednesday.

[50:52] Phil Bracco: Yep three more finale is Wednesday.

[50:54] Tommy Bracco: Alright guys so we have two more big brother real talk episodes. Jell's back next episode yeah so next so next week she's gotta be at three nights.

[51:03] Phil Bracco: Yeah oh yeah good luck with that one.

[51:06] Tommy Bracco: Alright guys thanks submit your questions real talk podcast dot com bye bye Nicole Wins