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[0:07] Tommy Bracco: Hi guys, it's Tommy and Jamie Linguini.

[0:12] Phil Bracco: And I'm Phil.

[0:13] Tommy Bracco: And you're listening to Real Tawk.

[0:16] Tommy Bracco: Alright, guys. It's our second Bachelorette episode. We are so, so, so excited. We have a very special guest. We have none other than the extended family member herself. The spawn of Moira Rose.

[0:30] Jamie Linguini: Oh, yes, that is me.

[0:32] Tommy Bracco: Jamie Linguini is in the house, ladies and gentlemen. And let me tell you, she is a huge Bachelorette fan.

[0:41] Jamie Linguini: Let me just say what a delight it is to be. Maybe there's an aunt right next to you. There's an ant on the couch right next to you. She's knocking over everything.

[0:53] Tommy Bracco: Okay, we I'm sorry I told you. Forget about it. Excuse us. Alright, now it's going on. Okay, guys, we gotta talk about the show. What do we want to talk about?

[0:59] Jamie Linguini: I love Claire.

[1:01] Phil Bracco: Claire is hot.

[1:04] Jamie Linguini: Oh god, dad, that's disgusting.

[1:06] Phil Bracco: That's disgusting.

[1:07] Jamie Linguini: That's what it is.

[1:07] Phil Bracco: Okay, you know what? She has going for us. She wears nice outfits.

[1:09] Jamie Linguini: Okay, so she wears nice outfits, and then what about the bathing suit, too? How'd you like that outfit?

[1:14] Phil Bracco: Oh, he's smirking.

[1:18] Jamie Linguini: It's disgusting.

[1:19] Phil Bracco: It was a nice outfit. But honestly, I gotta be fair. I can't be a hypocrite because, you know, if you want to talk about how Claire's hot, yes, it's a little awkward for me to listen to, but I am gonna talk about how I think Blake is hot, and you're gonna have to sit here and listen to it.

[1:32] Jamie Linguini: So I actually made a comment about it already.

[1:34] Phil Bracco: Well, when?

[1:35] Jamie Linguini: I made a comment to uh Jamie and Jog last night, and I said the guy that Thomas likes.

[1:41] Phil Bracco: Ah, gotcha, yeah.

[1:42] Jamie Linguini: Blake, uh Blake Moynes. You know, he's very strange. His behavior's a little peculiar right now.

[1:47] Phil Bracco: He uh Well, let's get on. Let's go in order.

[1:49] Jamie Linguini: Alright, alright. I'm a little over the place. Sorry guys. We need to come clean. So the last episode that we filmed, we had a little mishap. We were doing a photo shoot, and we missed the first 20 minutes of the premiere of The Bachelorette last week.

[2:06] Tommy Bracco: A lot of people called us out that we didn't know where uh the show was being filmed. We were confused whether it was going to be filmed in Bachelor Mansion. I for you know, just to set the record straight, I did say that it wasn't filmed in Bachelor Mansion.

[2:20] Phil Bracco: And it was partially actually my fault.

[2:22] Jamie Linguini: What do you mean?

[2:23] Phil Bracco: I was sitting down here while talking to Angelica and agreeing with her, saying like that. That it was filmed in Bachelor Mansion. And I'm like, no, it wasn't. It was somewhere else. So thank you guys for writing sinning, calling us out on our shit. We need it.

[2:35] Tommy Bracco: We need it. Yeah, we did need it. Alright. Um, anyway, so moving on. Alright, so now let's talk about the date. Because I actually really loved the concept of the date.

[2:45] Jamie Linguini: It was the five love language languages. It was five mini dates, each representing one of the love languages. So we've had the first one, they were in the tower, and it was representing um words of affirmation.

[2:57] Phil Bracco: I didn't like that at all. That was stupid. Honestly, I don't even think we need to talk about that. That was kind of dumb.

[3:01] Jamie Linguini: It was just a little bit more. It's not a big brother thing.

[3:03] Phil Bracco: You gotta talk about it a little bit.

[3:05] Jamie Linguini: What are you talking about?

[3:07] Phil Bracco: The Bachelor thing. We're on a different show now, Dad. Jeez. Bachelorette.

[3:11] Jamie Linguini: Anyway. Anyway, yeah, not good. It was stupid. That's it. We don't know what it is.

[3:14] Phil Bracco: No, it wasn't good. But the Dale whole the whole Dale thing was terrible.

[3:18] Jamie Linguini: What?

[3:19] Phil Bracco: Because that's where you saw that he did not really like her as what he's portraying.

[3:23] Jamie Linguini: Yeah, that's the part where it's a good one.

[3:25] Phil Bracco: I do see that, yes. I agree with that. I saw a disconnect there. He could not look her in the eye once. He was looking left, right, up, and down. It was bad.

[3:32] Jamie Linguini: It was bad. And then number two, they had to run back and give her a gift.

[3:38] Phil Bracco: Yes. They had to go with the gifts. Which I think has to be set up because the one guy came with a baseball.

[3:44] Jamie Linguini: This whole show is set up. Are you kidding me? First of all, I'm not giving my baseball to anybody I just met.

[3:51] Phil Bracco: I'm sorry. But you can't say that you just met her, though, because you're literally there to win over her love. You're gonna give her the baseball.

[3:59] Jamie Linguini: Yeah, you're gonna do whatever you can to get the girl.

[4:01] Phil Bracco: Alright, whatever. That's the whole point. Alright. Then you're gonna be able to get the gifts thing was stupid too. What what gift was you would you guys say was your favorite?

[4:09] Jamie Linguini: I don't know. None. Actually, not none of the gifts stood out to me. Not one of them.

[4:12] Phil Bracco: The baseball just because you like baseball.

[4:14] Jamie Linguini: With his cologne on it, like I kind of like that one.

[4:17] Phil Bracco: Yeah, but that's like this is stupid. I'm not gonna give you a like try and give you this big meaningful gift, but I'll just give you a t-shirt with my cologne on it so you can remember me.

[4:27] Jamie Linguini: Like you connect with it. It was more like more casual, which I appreciated to be honest with you.

[4:35] Phil Bracco: What did someone else give away? Because we're in a casual state.

[4:38] Jamie Linguini: Okay, listen to this. The reason why I liked that gift, the t-shirt, is because it's more casual. And we're only on the second episode. The reason why I felt really uncomfortable with the next part, the physical touch.

[4:51] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[4:51] Jamie Linguini: Did not like that. I thought that was very weird, very forced. I thought it was very good. They should have saved it for a later date because no one looked comfortable touching this girl. It was very weird.

[5:02] Phil Bracco: Except for Dale.

[5:04] Jamie Linguini: Except for Dale. And that's why I know in my gut that they know each other ahead of time.

[5:09] Phil Bracco: Because the way that you think everybody knows each other.

[5:11] Jamie Linguini: What do you mean?

[5:12] Phil Bracco: No, I just think he's very.

[5:14] Jamie Linguini: What does that even mean?

[5:15] Phil Bracco: What does it mean? It's an inside joke that you don't know.

[5:18] Jamie Linguini: What did you say?

[5:18] Phil Bracco: With Kat and Holly.

[5:20] Jamie Linguini: Oh my god. He's still he can't stop talking about Big Brother.

[5:23] Phil Bracco: Even if even he wants to be a little bit more than a big thing.

[5:24] Jamie Linguini: No, let me just say he can't help it. I found this very, very disturbing this scene. I felt I was watching Skinemax.

[5:29] Phil Bracco: Disturbing.

[5:32] Jamie Linguini: Alright, it was a little like soft porno. And I was not really into it.

[5:37] Phil Bracco: Don't forget, I'm watching this by myself in the living room last night.

[5:41] Jamie Linguini: Yeah, that's I literally get a text last night. I feel like I'm watching a soft porno from the dad.

[5:48] Phil Bracco: That's very weird. Me and Angelica, and I'm not sure. That's very weird.

[5:53] Jamie Linguini: Oh my gosh. Well I thought they were both watching uh Big Brother. I mean uh The Bachelorette.

[5:58] Phil Bracco: He can't stop talking about Big Brother.

[6:00] Jamie Linguini: I know, I know, I know. It's insane. Alright, because I'd rather watch that than this.

[6:04] Phil Bracco: But I know because you guys nothing we'll confess we this is the the podcast on the Bachelorette, but we did watch the episode of Big Brother right before this.

[6:12] Jamie Linguini: Right before we filmed this, so we do have Big Brother on the mind. And I will say that that luxury comp was bullshit tonight on Big Brother.

[6:19] Phil Bracco: It was so stupid. It was literally a joke. It was totally fixed. They just gave up. It was no skill and no talent. The show is so boring. And honestly, after this episode, I hate Enzo. Hate him. I'm done with Enzo.

[6:35] Jamie Linguini: I'm literally so done with Enzo.

[6:37] Phil Bracco: Okay, yeah. Sorry, that's it. I thought it was very awkward for these guys to sit there watching these other guys fuel up the girl that they want to marry.

[6:43] Jamie Linguini: Yeah, it was very weird.

[6:45] Phil Bracco: But that's what they signed up for. They know that this is all gonna happen. So fine. I felt it was awkward when it was Dale's turn.

[6:53] Jamie Linguini: Okay.

[6:53] Phil Bracco: Well they also Everybody did not know what to do. They felt very uncomfortable. But when they're all watching the rest of each other of themselves do it, it's completely fine because they know that what this is happening. Trust me. Because they feel like they're in the same boat.

[7:04] Jamie Linguini: Right.

[7:06] Phil Bracco: But with him, it's a different. Then it actually got really really uncomfortable.

[7:10] Jamie Linguini: Yeah, I agree with that. Alright. Well, let's get to the next scene. The next scene that I remember was the uh the nighttime when all the guys are sitting around the campfire.

[7:20] Phil Bracco: Oh, well that what do you okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're all happy. Well, that was the next part. It was um spending quality time was the next like mini date of the time.

[7:30] Jamie Linguini: So what when you yeah, when you go on all these group dates, yeah, that's how they end. They have their cocktail hour at the end of the date, the group date, they do the one-on-ones, and then one guy will get it.

[7:40] Phil Bracco: I actually didn't know that, so I'm saying yeah, but I'm like, oh, okay. I I do feel like I'm learning this for the first time. So thank you, expert Jamie.

[7:46] Jamie Linguini: Got it. Oh, any time. Okay, got it. So I thought Chris would be proud.

[7:50] Phil Bracco: Oh, yes, he would be so proud.

[7:54] Jamie Linguini: Okay, continue.

[7:55] Phil Bracco: Okay. So I have been watching The Bachelorette and Bachelor.

[8:02] Jamie Linguini: And Bachelor in Paradise.

[8:03] Phil Bracco: And Bachelor in Paradise and Winter Games. I watched them all.

[8:07] Jamie Linguini: When since I'm literally five years old. My mom used to watch it.

[8:12] Phil Bracco: It's Jamie's dream to be on The Bachelorette.

[8:16] Jamie Linguini: So everybody No, on The Bachelor.

[8:18] Phil Bracco: I forgot.

[8:18] Jamie Linguini: Right. Right. He forbids it.

[8:20] Phil Bracco: Yeah. My dad gets very mad when we talk about this part. We all have to nominate her when it's time for the next season.

[8:27] Jamie Linguini: We have to, we have to, we have to do not be perfect. It's such a dream.

[8:30] Phil Bracco: When I'm given lips, you don't have to watch. Just turn it off and I won't watch.

[8:34] Jamie Linguini: Giving lips and given hips. I might even do it.

[8:37] Phil Bracco: Yeah. I might be giving lips and hips.

[8:39] Jamie Linguini: Alright. And this even knows. She was given lips and hips on vacation this week.

[8:46] Phil Bracco: Let's get back to this year.

[8:48] Jamie Linguini: No, wait. Actually, I'm so bored with the episode. Honestly, Claire's great. I love Blake. This is one of Dale is weird. Now can we talk about like why you want to be on The Bachelorette?

[8:56] Phil Bracco: Let's like talk about that.

[8:58] Jamie Linguini: No, I excited that you're not going to be able to get back to it.

[9:01] Phil Bracco: We will. But let's talk about why do you want to be on The Bachelorette?

[9:04] Jamie Linguini: The Bachelor.

[9:04] Phil Bracco: Right. I keep saying it wrong. Got it.

[9:09] Jamie Linguini: Oh, it's been a dream. Like, why it hasn't been a dream? What do you want? Like, is it to really find love? Is it too much?

[9:14] Jamie Linguini: When I tell you to be on TV.

[9:17] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[9:18] Jamie Linguini: No, no. No, since I'm little, since I'm little, I have watched this show, and I promise that I I promised myself that I would be on this show and find love, and that was the only way I knew that I would find love.

[9:33] Phil Bracco: Since I'm little. Like, when I say five years old, I mean five years old.

[9:38] Jamie Linguini: Yes. Okay. I always said, like, watching the show, that's how I'm gonna find my husband.

[9:44] Phil Bracco: Wow.

[9:45] Jamie Linguini: Yeah. It's the weirdest thing.

[9:47] Phil Bracco: Wow. I actually got the chills, and I actually knew that that could be. And I'm like this little like five, six year old. This show just comes out. I don't even know what it's about. My mom and her friends are watching it.

[9:59] Phil Bracco: Okay, that's all it is. It's a fantasy. You're not finding any love on it. That's it. You're gonna look Phil So then here's my question.

[10:07] Jamie Linguini: So last week on the first episode, Angelica and I had a debate about whether or not you can try find true love on The Bachelor Bachelorette.

[10:15] Phil Bracco: I said you can.

[10:16] Jamie Linguini: She said. So which who do you agree with?

[10:21] Phil Bracco: I say I think you can.

[10:23] Jamie Linguini: 1,000 million. I guess Angelica's not always wrong.

[10:27] Phil Bracco: No, she isn't.

[10:29] Jamie Linguini: No, so Oh my god, I can't wait till she listens back and hears this. She's not here, and now we could say whatever we want against her.

[10:38] Phil Bracco: Anjelica Conti.

[10:41] Jamie Linguini: You go to now, baby.

[10:43] Phil Bracco: Oh shit, move on over.

[10:45] Jamie Linguini: Jamie's Wheaty's in the house.

[10:47] Phil Bracco: I'm gonna be afraid.

[10:48] Jamie Linguini: I'm afraid too.

[10:49] Phil Bracco: For Angelica's wrath.

[10:50] Jamie Linguini: He should be. Angelica literally just finished the surgery and she will kick all of our assets.

[10:56] Phil Bracco: No, literally. Um it's okay. She's weak and vulnerable right now. So we can get away.

[11:02] Jamie Linguini: Yes, got it. Okay. Um anyway, so yeah, you just want to be on the show because you want to find love. You believe in that, and you just feel like you're meant to be on there.

[11:11] Phil Bracco: Yes.

[11:11] Jamie Linguini: So it's funny. Okay. So, like, love at first sight, I really do think is like a real thing.

[11:21] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[11:21] Jamie Linguini: And Angelica doesn't you don't you don't agree with it either, right, Uncle Phil?

[11:25] Phil Bracco: I feel like you can instantly force.

[11:27] Jamie Linguini: No, no, you know what? At first sight, it's called lust.

[11:31] Phil Bracco: I hear you. I listen, I hear both sides. I'm always playing devil's advocate. But I gotta be honest with you, like I got I got a boyfriend now, and we met and like only like two months ago, but I really did feel like he was different right away. Honestly.

[11:47] Jamie Linguini: And so I don't know if that's love at first sight, but like I knew right away that I really You can feel like a connection without a doubt, but it's not love.

[11:57] Phil Bracco: But I think that's you don't know the person, you can't be in love with the colour.

[11:59] Jamie Linguini: Well, it goes back to the conversation that's yes, exactly. It's not love. You're not gonna love a person right away.

[12:06] Phil Bracco: Thank you.

[12:07] Jamie Linguini: No, no, no, no, no. You're not right. Because loving someone, but like also knowing that they're the one.

[12:15] Phil Bracco: Right.

[12:15] Jamie Linguini: Come instantly.

[12:17] Phil Bracco: I agree, Jamie. That's exactly right. You know that somebody is the one right away.

[12:21] Phil Bracco: That's more of what love at first sight means.

[12:24] Jamie Linguini: Well, Joey's gonna be so happy. I love you.

[12:26] Phil Bracco: It means I know you're the one. Like, I have that gut feeling. That's really what it means. It's not about I'm in love. I'm in love. I know you're inside and out, and I love everything.

[12:37] Jamie Linguini: It really is. How many times do you think you get that feeling and then it's not?

[12:42] Phil Bracco: I never felt it before.

[12:44] Jamie Linguini: Plenty of times.

[12:45] Phil Bracco: Thank you.

[12:45] Jamie Linguini: I never felt it before.

[12:46] Phil Bracco: Thank you. I always go. Hello. I always go back to the body. I truly never felt it before, and now I feel it now. I I mean that.

[12:53] Jamie Linguini: I also want to share another little insider information. Uh, after our last episode of The Bachelorette, uh I on the episode said something to the f to the effect of um I fall in and out of love very easily.

[13:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: And uh my boyfriend listened to the podcast.

[13:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: First of all, he has never listened to a podcast of ours in the past because he doesn't watch Big Brother.

[13:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: But I forced him to watch The Bachelorette.

[13:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: So he listens to the podcast.

[13:21] Tommy Bracco: It's the first time he ever listened to us, and he hears me say that I can fall in and out of love very easily. So that didn't go well. So he's gonna be so happy that I'm talking so nice about him now and saying that I fell in love with him right away. And I'm being quiet about that, but I just don't know. What did he think? What does that mean? What did he think about the podcast? We didn't even talk about the podcast, Dad. Sorry. All right, let's go. Wait, what do you mean you're being quiet? What do you say what do you mean? Yeah, what is I would love to know. No, you are. Oh my god, that's all right here. Let's go back to the show. No. Um I want to know now. What? You think I'm crazy? Because I'm just like so obsessed right away.

I I I don't know how you can decide that. I might looking to get you in more trouble that you're what? Ooh. That I you don't know how to do it. I mean, like you always say, Oh, I'm in love, I'm obsessed with this person, and then next thing you know, you weren't. So, Joey, don't listen to this part. No. No, this is what I will say. You gotta be kidding me. No, I truly feel like this one is different. Okay, I'm glad I hope so. No, the other one. Oh god, I'm in major trouble now. Oh my god, just when you thought you were off. I was trying not to go there. No, who did I really say that about that I felt like I was gonna be with them like that? They were the one. Do you really want me to go off with?

I mean, I'm keeping my mouth shut, Joey. Come on, let's just move on. It's bad enough for you. You are so making this up, and this is just for the podcast, and I'm gonna be in so much trouble now. Joey! Oh Joey! Joey, I promise you the love I feel is real. Okay, so it's real. Alright, we're not saying anything further. No further questions. No further questions. No further questions. I told you to keep me quiet. Uh anyway, so then they're all sitting around a campfire. And she walks over in a dress, and she's like, hi. And says she's like, Was that the black sparkly dress? Yeah. I loved that dress. That was my favorite dress she ever wore, by the way. Keep going. So now she goes and sits down and she's like, hi guys, and she's talking to them, and it gets very quiet.

Yeah, it gets really awkward. So I've actually never I mean I don't remember all the years that you've watched The Bachelor, you were saying I don't remember something like that ever happening. I'm sure it has. Okay. But I I really I can't think of a time in an episode where I've actually ever seen that. Like these. What do you think it was? Like they just don't know. I really I think half of these guys aren't might not be here for the right reason. They they're all picking up on that. She's so in love with Dale. They don't they're like questioning what like she's even doing there. Right. So and they're questioning their own. But their places, right? But even when sh when the first who's the first guy that went to sit down with her?

Uh Bennett. Bennett. I felt bad for Bennett. But even for Bennett too, like he she did most of the talking. Yeah he couldn't get the first word out. He couldn't hold a conversation with her. Well, that's so it's like so. Do you think this now as you're saying this, my wheels are turning? Do you think that she is just such a boss and she just Claire is the type of person she takes charge. When she walks into a room, she's a very strong presence, and I that's why I love her, honestly, as a bachelorette. Do you think that they are kind of just like letting her take the reins? And they're like, You're in charge, girl, like you say what to do, and I'll follow your lead. That they didn't understand.

No, they felt to me they didn't understand the show. Yeah, I don't think that it was about It had nothing to do with that. I don't think that it was a good one. Every single bachelorette who walks into a room day one of their season to the last day of their season, all walks in with that confidence, all walks in like they're running the show, all walk in the same way. This is I've never seen this happen. Usually the second she walks in, the guys are running up to her and begging for her. Right time. Do you buy into what was portrayed on television then? Like the whole, you know, that was disrespectful to my time. I'll she said, I'll go to bed if you guys don't if you're not going to. Well, there was a lot of each other.

A lot of things. Like, do you buy into that then? I do. I think she what she did was right. It was disrespectful. I don't think it was necessary. Phil disagrees with me. We were ready to do it. It wasn't necessary. I think she was completely necessary. She should have stood with Bennett and kept into the into the his the frame of mind to be talking to Bennett. She left him in the room by himself, went to go, yelled at these other guys, then they start arguing with each other. It was just for TV. I don't know, because if I put myself in that position, she's talking to Bennett. Bennett can't get a question out, can't start a conversation with her. It's bottling up in her that that just pissed her off.

And if he's not having a conversation with her, she might lash out on him. So she had to get away from the situation, let out her feelings. But then she never went back to Bennett. So what is he doing in my room? That sucks for Bennett. Maybe she did go back to him. We just didn't know she left. No, he came out and she walked away. Right, but maybe then later on they had another one on one. She had a one on one with all of them. But I look at it this way. It happened, it was definitely awkward. She made a comment. Does anybody want to go in a room with me? Talk to me. And then the uh Bennett said, Oh, I'll do it. That was it. Let it I let it go. She couldn't let it go. She had to go back. Tell me how to do it.

I think it was I think honestly the reason why I love Claire is because she is the type of person to speak up. And but I do agree with you in the sense that um I hope she doesn't go too far. That's I I agree with that because I could see her walking that line up. Obviously, she does because she's not in the show anymore. What? She's gonna leave the show early. Yeah, we know she leaves the show early. Yeah. Um, but Yosef then turned around and said, Let me speak for the group, and then that became a big deal. Which I don't think that was a big deal what he was trying to say. I don't think it was either. It wasn't a big deal. The words he chose were a big deal. Later, after he said it's a little crazy that you would think that was But that's because he was already getting dirty looks, he was getting uh the other guy was saying, Don't talk for me, I can talk for myself.

That was the only bad part about it. But him standing up and saying, like, oh, let me speak for the group. He wasn't real, like, he wasn't malicious about it. Right. But obviously the guys had to make it right like he was. Yeah, yeah. You know what else though? My gears are going as we're having this convo. I think that, you know, we know Claire leaves the show, like you just said. I think that we're starting to see this inner struggle within her on this episode. That's the first time we're starting to see it. And I think it's gonna continue to build and build and build until she winds up leaving. But I think that we're starting to see it this episode. That was the first time. Like that fight, she was extra sensitive.

It was a little weird. I just said sensitive, like Moira Rose. She was extra sensitive. Yes. At the end of the day, I'm a woman. What? What? That's what she said. I know, I know. It was just I'm all for a woman standing up for herself and just like fighting, being a feminist. I'm all for that. I really am. But this one felt a little weird, right? It did. I don't think so. No? No. It felt like she was standing up for something that didn't need to be stood up to. That's what I felt like. She it was a very awkward situation. Like, I didn't think it was that awkward. I did. When you are when you're the bachelorette and you're sitting down, and not one guy, and you have to question if these guys want to get up and talk to you, and you're the one who has to be like, all right, guys, you want to talk to me.

I would feel my body would melt and I would feel very uncomfortable, very awkward. No, fine. Oh that's fine. That's true, actually. You can't do that. That's actually been done before. Right. But wow, shit. But I it's a very awkward feature. Especially that those days. And to be fair, we have to also acknowledge the fact that me and you, Dad, have the same opinion on this, and we are the two men talking about this right now. Like, we gotta listen to Jamie. Yeah. Yeah, no, no. The last thing about this date was then Dale could took control. Yeah. We got some major lips. Major lips. Major lips. And we saw in the coming attractions, he's getting some hips later on too. So we gotta go to the second date now.

Okay. Uh we were already that took a while to do that. Got it. Yeah, so the volleyball, whatever. Well, no, the second date was Jason. I was very I loved Jason. Loved him. I yeah. I actually thought this was a very good date. Me too. Uh I was a little cringy in the beginning when they I wasn't. And you I like Jamie. Who said that? Jamie told me something, but I I didn't realize. But she said production probably told her, take this guy on a date, he's got some issues in the past. Right, right. Right. And make him deal with them because you can't get past if you don't deal with them. Exactly, yes. But um national TV saying that his his home life with his parents was not good. Him and his brothers seen things they didn't want to see.

What the hell happened? I know. It's horrible. I know, like, you can't. We're sitting down in our living rooms just imagining what it could be. We want to know. We're dying to know. That's why we're watching the show, to know the the lives of these people, and we never get the answer. No. No. We don't know if it was use at home. I don't know if they should be together. Yeah, that was weird. Not good. Um you know, the parents now watching that and that's gonna affect the parents. See, this is the problem with these shows. I mean, is how does it affect other people? And I think it sucks because he was chosen. I I don't think I told you before, I don't think it's chosen for from her. It's production, they know he's got a pass, they know it was gonna be an emotional date, they knew he was gonna cry.

And so I loved him, I loved him, I loved him. When these guys don't open up to guys or girls, if the bachelors don't open up to the bachelorette, or vice versa, they're getting sent home. Right. So he's gonna be able to do that. You have to you have to open up and be vulnerable, or else that's it. So now he knows this. Yeah, maybe. But I saw last year Victoria that wasn't opening up and she kept staying. Okay, maybe there's an exception to the rule, but that's maybe. No, but she would open up just enough that she would get kept. I loved Victoria's. She was she was contestants. So Again, you're the expert. In this case, had no choice, the poor little chicken, and yeah, like you know, so now you embarrass your family on TV.

Well, he also made all of America fall in love with him. Yeah. Except his parents. But I yeah, I don't know if he like embarrassed his family. I think he did, honestly. I don't know. He did. I think he did. I'm sorry. It's been worse, that's been a good thing. I'm sorry. I don't know. I would never go on television and s say something like that about my parents. I I would never do that. It's a different relationship. You don't know his relationship with his parents. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's a valid point. Maybe he doesn't care enough about them to not say that on national television. I mean, apparently not. It could be a ton of things. Maybe he's never spoken to them. And they're hearing this, and then maybe it'll bring them closer.

Like, this is how you really felt. This is what I put you guys through. Like you and your brother. Like, you never know. I love that take, Jamie Lynn. Maybe Jamie Lynn Greene. So they uh they also had a couple of different things, right? They had to write a letter to their younger self. Yeah, that was a little weird. They had to write, they had to say what people said about them. Like, that whole thing. So that's what brings me to believe that he was chosen by production. I loved what he wrote down in that. Like he wrote down manipulative. Um when he started off with that word, I was like, oh my god, he's being real. Like to admit that people call you manipulative to the bachelorette when you're trying to get her to fall in love with you.

Like, that's not the thing you want to say. Usually it's like, you know, when you go in a job interview and you have to say your three strengths and your three weaknesses, you try and say three weaknesses that still look like strengths. You know that that whole like twist saying, you know, whatever. Usually I would I I would assume that he would do something like that in this, but he really didn't. He really like listed his weaknesses like she didn't either. What she gave her um things to her. Absolutely, yeah. It was really pretty interesting. Yeah. Then they broke something on the rocks, then they went and burned the press. They screamed. Yeah, they screamed. The screaming was a little bit more.

I think they should have started with the breathing. I actually enjoyed that. They should have started with the breathing, I thought, anyway. But um okay, cool. So that was the date with Jason. Am I weird? I like when people like scream and let their like emotional. No, I I would have liked it, but it maybe if it started with a little breathing first. Like No, go right to it. Okay, yeah, sure. Zero to sixty, Jamie Ling. Zero to a hundred.

[26:41] Tommy Bracco: Okay, got it. Moving on. We'll talk more about that later. That's why you can't go on the show. All right, let's go. Remember Phil, you can't watch my season. Let's just say that. Then we have boy the worst date I've ever seen, the third date.

[26:57] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[26:57] Tommy Bracco: The strip show dodgeball.

[27:01] Phil Bracco: Yeah, that was it. But you know what? That's not really her fault because she didn't pick it. That's production. Come on. That is definitely production picking that date.

[27:13] Phil Bracco: Well, they do say what should we do?

[27:15] Tommy Bracco: Like can I say one thing?

[27:17] Phil Bracco: Yeah, sure.

[27:17] Tommy Bracco: Yes, you're the expert.

[27:20] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[27:21] Tommy Bracco: In the beginning, when they find out that they're the bachelor and bachelorette, when they're doing the layout for the show, they do sit down with production.

[27:27] Phil Bracco: Talk about what?

[27:27] Tommy Bracco: No, they're the ones who make up the dates.

[27:32] Tommy Bracco: I don't think that they completely make it up.

[27:34] Phil Bracco: They say that's the same thing.

[27:34] Phil Bracco: No, they probably don't completely, but they say like I wanna this is what I want to do, and when I want to do it.

[27:40] Tommy Bracco: Hmm.

[27:44] Phil Bracco: I do find that hard to believe, to be honest with you.

[27:47] Tommy Bracco: But they said it's a good idea.

[27:48] Phil Bracco: But I fully believe you that it was said, yeah.

[27:52] Tommy Bracco: Like out of their mouths.

[27:53] Phil Bracco: Okay, alright. That's this is their love journey. Why can't they be picking the dates?

[27:57] Tommy Bracco: Because it's still a television show and it's still about ratings and commercials and money. They know that they're going on a television show, and if they want to ride a helicopter across the whole coast of Australia, that they're gonna be able to.

[28:10] Phil Bracco: So they're gonna be able to do that.

[28:11] Tommy Bracco: I think they probably give them options and then they'll like talk to them, they'll have consultants there, like the you know, like talking to them about ratings and stuff.

[28:21] Phil Bracco: But persuading them a certain in a certain direction.

[28:25] Tommy Bracco: No, they'll say, I want to do this, and production will be like, Alright, so you could do this, this, and that.

[28:29] Phil Bracco: I bet it's kind of like that ties into what you want to do.

[28:32] Tommy Bracco: I bet it's kinda like with Big Brother in the diary room. Sometimes they'll give you suggestions of what you can say, but it's not ever like they never pressure you to say anything.

[28:44] Phil Bracco: They'll ask you, how do you what do you want to get across?

[28:47] Tommy Bracco: And you'll say, I want to say something like this, and they'll help you find a way to say that.

[28:53] Phil Bracco: As opposed to like, like if I was Claire and I was given, you know, if they said to me, Do you want to do a dodgeball naked comp? I would probably say no, honestly.

[29:04] Tommy Bracco: But she probably had the option to say no, also, and she just chose not to, and that's okay.

[29:09] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[29:09] Tommy Bracco: Okay, that's fair. I can get on board with that.

[29:11] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[29:12] Tommy Bracco: But yeah, yeah, but they make they are in the decision process of it and do make up half the dates.

[29:18] Phil Bracco: Or more than half the dates.

[29:19] Tommy Bracco: Got it. They do.

[29:20] Phil Bracco: Okay, cool. So what did you guys think of this one?

[29:23] Tommy Bracco: Horrible.

[29:24] Phil Bracco: Yeah, it was just weird.

[29:25] Tommy Bracco: It was uncomfortable. It was they got naked, but whatever.

[29:28] Phil Bracco: They have good bodies.

[29:29] Tommy Bracco: That's it. That's the moral of the story. They got good bodies.

[29:32] Phil Bracco: The blue team was a joke of a team.

[29:34] Tommy Bracco: They were very uncoordinated.

[29:36] Phil Bracco: Oh, so pathetic to watch.

[29:38] Tommy Bracco: For Blake. As a competitor, um, I was embarrassed for them.

[29:45] Phil Bracco: Then I mean, I mean, it's just it was so bad.

[29:45] Tommy Bracco: It was so bad.

[29:49] Phil Bracco: Yeah, it was really pathetic.

[29:51] Tommy Bracco: Um I will say I didn't not enjoy the cracks of the losing team.

[30:01] Phil Bracco: Alright, well, did nothing for me, but okay.

[30:03] Tommy Bracco: I would hope it wouldn't be.

[30:06] Phil Bracco: So anyway.

[30:08] Tommy Bracco: Anyway, um that was just the way it just me, I thought it was it was not a good not a good comp for for channel seven.

[30:16] Phil Bracco: All right. You're on channel seven, and you got butts.

[30:21] Tommy Bracco: They were blurred out.

[30:22] Phil Bracco: It's blurred out.

[30:23] Tommy Bracco: They had black boxes.

[30:25] Phil Bracco: Don't think that you know some people didn't see things that were popping up.

[30:28] Tommy Bracco: There were black boxes. I don't think we saw anything.

[30:31] Phil Bracco: We literally didn't.

[30:33] Tommy Bracco: It was not what it did not belong on channel seven TV.

[30:37] Phil Bracco: In my opinion, that's all. That's what I'm letting you know.

[30:40] Tommy Bracco: Alright, sure. Um, really, it's not so much about that date.

[30:46] Phil Bracco: That date, to me, all it was about was the naked bodies, which were sure.

[30:51] Tommy Bracco: They were hot Thomas and Naked.

[30:53] Phil Bracco: I know, I know.

[30:54] Tommy Bracco: Sit down with all the other guys, but exactly.

[30:57] Phil Bracco: That was the whole point of that date.

[30:59] Tommy Bracco: That I didn't like. It was the afterwards Blake.

[31:03] Phil Bracco: That's really what it was about.

[31:05] Tommy Bracco: Blake did not deal well with losing, and he showed up to the winners' dates and he crashed it.

[31:12] Phil Bracco: What do you guys feel about that?

[31:13] Tommy Bracco: So I I'm I I'm sorry I'm gonna jump in.

[31:16] Phil Bracco: You liked it.

[31:17] Tommy Bracco: Okay.

[31:17] Phil Bracco: You like that he's a second season that somebody broke the rules like this and was was was rewarded, basically, right?

[31:25] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[31:26] Phil Bracco: Um like she said to him, don't do it all the time, but I kinda like that you did this.

[31:32] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[31:32] Phil Bracco: And gave him a rose right then and there.

[31:34] Tommy Bracco: Then he had to walk in front of all the guys.

[31:36] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[31:36] Tommy Bracco: It was like, uh hi.

[31:39] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[31:39] Tommy Bracco: So you don't like that he did it.

[31:41] Phil Bracco: No.

[31:41] Tommy Bracco: I don't like it.

[31:42] Phil Bracco: And you like that he did it.

[31:43] Tommy Bracco: Why do you like that he did it?

[31:44] Phil Bracco: Because when he said he felt he he kind of felt pathetic having to walk back naked with no clothes on and not get to not get to spend time with her.

[31:56] Tommy Bracco: Yeah.

[31:56] Phil Bracco: So in my head, I'm gonna be like, I literally had to walk back.

[32:01] Tommy Bracco: Punish I it was like a punishment, he said, for himself, and he just feels demeaned.

[32:07] Phil Bracco: It doesn't matter.

[32:08] Tommy Bracco: Like you could still have people still have feelings.

[32:10] Phil Bracco: It's very demeaning.

[32:11] Tommy Bracco: Honestly, I think that there was a little more to it than was what was shown in editing.

[32:16] Phil Bracco: Me too.

[32:16] Tommy Bracco: It's really good.

[32:16] Phil Bracco: I think there was more to the re to why he showed up, honestly.

[32:20] Tommy Bracco: I don't think it was just that he felt I do, I do.

[32:23] Phil Bracco: I think there was something more to it.

[32:24] Tommy Bracco: You don't think pride and moral thing.

[32:26] Phil Bracco: No, I do.

[32:27] Tommy Bracco: I think there was something more.

[32:29] Phil Bracco: He needed to talk to her that night for some reason.

[32:32] Tommy Bracco: Not because he felt ashamed and embarrassed.

[32:34] Phil Bracco: About what though?

[32:35] Tommy Bracco: I don't know what, but if there was a reason, they would have aired it.

[32:38] Phil Bracco: It might have been just because he wanted to see her.

[32:42] Tommy Bracco: Like it's something as simple as that.

[32:44] Phil Bracco: No, you I when he was in the DR session or what whatever they call it, and now I'm like so it's a big brother.

[32:49] Tommy Bracco: Confessionals.

[32:50] Phil Bracco: Um you saw like his eyes, like how angry he was that he had to do that, and he felt like that.

[32:56] Tommy Bracco: He's really right.

[32:57] Phil Bracco: And he is really into the bigger.

[32:58] Tommy Bracco: So I think Yosef talked about was that on the the coming attractions or was that the end of the show he talks about how like, you know, my daughter's gonna watch this and I don't want to be embarrassed.

[33:10] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[33:11] Tommy Bracco: I get that.

[33:12] Phil Bracco: I do get that.

[33:12] Tommy Bracco: I get that. That's why that's exactly why I be respected.

[33:16] Phil Bracco: That's why Blake did that, because he felt disrespected.

[33:18] Tommy Bracco: Yeah.

[33:19] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I get that.

[33:20] Tommy Bracco: I do. And he and you could tell how much he likes her because he got undressed at the game and did it.

[33:27] Phil Bracco: Did it and did it.

[33:28] Tommy Bracco: Like it, but then later on told her how he felt.

[33:32] Phil Bracco: Yeah, which I think is completely fine.

[33:34] Tommy Bracco: I don't think it's because I I'm on Jamie's side with this one.

[33:39] Phil Bracco: No, I was never on your ship.

[33:41] Tommy Bracco: I I literally I didn't jump off of yours.

[33:43] Phil Bracco: I'm I I'm on hers.

[33:45] Tommy Bracco: Uh so welcome aboard.

[33:46] Phil Bracco: Yeah, thanks, thanks, maidies.

[33:48] Tommy Bracco: Um I'm on Jamie's ship with this one, so I think you're uh you you're a one.

[33:53] Phil Bracco: I like to I like to hear what the uh listeners got to say about this.

[33:56] Tommy Bracco: I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't know.

[33:58] Phil Bracco: That that's that's a stupid thing to ask people to re to fight in for.

[34:03] Tommy Bracco: I feel like I'm right, but alright, we're just asking Jellica.

[34:05] Phil Bracco: Call her on the phone.

[34:07] Tommy Bracco: That's actually a good idea. Let's give her a call.

[34:09] Phil Bracco: Let's see what she has to say.

[34:10] Tommy Bracco: And while you're doing that, one more thing I would mention. Then she comes back and she meets with Brandon, and that does not go over well.

[34:18] Phil Bracco: Oh, that was bad.

[34:19] Tommy Bracco: Brandon got sent on.

[34:21] Phil Bracco: Jellica, you're on the podcast.

[34:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: Hi.

[34:24] Phil Bracco: Wow, guys, Jellica's on.

[34:27] Tommy Bracco: Um my god, this is so exciting.

[34:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: You made it on even though you're not here.

[34:32] Tommy Bracco: I know, I miss it. Jellica, what'd you think of The Bachelorette?

[34:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I have so many opinions. I don't think we're gonna be able to fit it in this phone call.

[34:39] Tommy Bracco: Okay, go for it.

[34:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Highlights.

[34:42] Tommy Bracco: Um highlights.

[34:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: I mean, I'm sure you guys covered the main events, the awkward, awkward conversation with the guy who had no idea who Claire was.

[34:52] Phil Bracco: Oh, we didn't even get to that point.

[34:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: So you can go cover it, Jell.

[34:57] Phil Bracco: So painful.

[34:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: It was I had to That was Brandon. I had to shut the volume off and just watch it with no sounds.

[35:08] Phil Bracco: I know, it was so bad.

[35:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: Joke, I had to watch it three times because these guys weren't prepared.

[35:14] Tommy Bracco: Okay, this is what I have to say.

[35:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: You know, in the first episode, I was like, wow, Claire, not so bad. Second episode, horrible, get her off, wear as t-shirts.

[35:25] Tommy Bracco: I first off, the way she acted about the guys not jumping to talk to her.

[35:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's what I said.

[35:34] Tommy Bracco: No.

[35:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: But Jamie disagreed with us, and I felt like I was being uh like what's the word? Like, I felt like I was being degrading to women, so I just like said that Jamie's right, but maybe she's not.

[35:44] Tommy Bracco: I stuck with my No, that was so overreactive and like weird, and I don't know.

[35:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: She just she's just uh and another point that I need to say.

[35:55] Tommy Bracco: No, I'm jumping all around the place, but I just want to get them in quick because I bet nobody wants to listen to a phone conversation.

[36:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um when she's so when with the Dodge Bowl thing, yeah, she was like, Oh, I make my own rules, like stripper dodgeball.

[36:12] Tommy Bracco: You're not young and cute, you're an older woman.

[36:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. Like, I feel like she you're not acting your place as an older bachelorette.

[36:22] Tommy Bracco: I just feel like she to be something she's not.

[36:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's trying to force to be this old mature bachelorette, and it's actually causing the opposite effect.

[36:29] Tommy Bracco: She's acting poor and annoying.

[36:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: I literally feel like we just called God.

[36:34] Tommy Bracco: Like, wow.

[36:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, she's disagreeing with the other expert here.

[36:39] Tommy Bracco: I know.

[36:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: You and Jamie are on opposite ends.

[36:42] Tommy Bracco: We are that's so crazy.

[36:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, I know a lot of people felt this way because I spoke to a lot of bachelorette um bachelor nation fans.

[36:50] Phil Bracco: Who?

[36:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wait, um their names shall not be disclosed, but I'll talk about it.

[36:59] Phil Bracco: Their names are everyone in your group chat.

[37:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, my group group, your high school group friend chat.

[37:06] Phil Bracco: Um Jamie may or may not have access to that group chat, also.

[37:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, I am in that group chat.

[37:14] Phil Bracco: There's little things that I caught on to that I feel like other people wouldn't when she was burning the dress.

[37:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: Weird thing dress I've ever seen in my life.

[37:25] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[37:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: And he was like, oh thank god we're burning this ugly dress.

[37:27] Phil Bracco: She whips her head and she's like, that dress was gorgeous.

[37:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, relax. You're literally burning it.

[37:34] Phil Bracco: He was like, No, I meant like for the symbolism.

[37:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, she's just annoying.

[37:38] Phil Bracco: At least in this episode, she was.

[37:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's how I feel.

[37:41] Tommy Bracco: I know, I don't disagree with you.

[37:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um right in the first, I'm sure it I don't know, maybe it just like wasn't her week.

[37:51] Phil Bracco: Maybe she was having a bad week.

[37:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: She could be PMSing.

[37:53] Phil Bracco: I totally get that.

[37:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: But it was just a little weird for me, especially what she did with the guys when they weren't jumping to talk to her.

[38:00] Tommy Bracco: I agree with you with that part.

[38:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't I do.

[38:03] Tommy Bracco: I thought it was a little strange.

[38:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: I do.

[38:05] Phil Bracco: No, J Jamie doesn't agree because Jamie's a psycho.

[38:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Something she would get mad at.

[38:13] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, it is.

[38:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: I would feel so uncomfortable and awkward and be like, what the fuck?

[38:18] Tommy Bracco: You don't like me?

[38:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like what's happening?

[38:21] Tommy Bracco: And Jamie could call me the next day and tell me that that happened, and I would be like, that was you.

[38:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: You are crazy.

[38:28] Tommy Bracco: And totally normal me and Jamie conversation.

[38:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: Angelica, can you tell us how you feel?

[38:34] Phil Bracco: How you're doing post surgery?

[38:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, I'm feeling amazing. I'm doing really well. I'm doing very good.

[38:40] Phil Bracco: Oh good.

[38:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, yes.

[38:44] Tommy Bracco: Great.

[38:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'll be back on the podcast.

[38:46] Phil Bracco: And John's coming tomorrow.

[38:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: He's very excited.

[38:48] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, John will be talking big brother with us.

[38:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: I can't wait.

[38:54] Tommy Bracco: I cannot wait to listen to Uncle Phil's um Bachelor Thoughts tomorrow on when this episode gets released.

[39:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, we're pretty good.

[39:03] Phil Bracco: Yeah, he has a lot of thoughts.

[39:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Me and her pretty close, I think.

[39:06] Tommy Bracco: So yeah, honestly, you guys were pretty aligned this episode, I gotta say.

[39:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wow, that would have been so nice to like be together and be aligned for once, but you know, it is not.

[39:15] Phil Bracco: Alas, it wasn't in the cards.

[39:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: I apologize. I did not know that you put a post up about Nicole Franz own and then I put a post doing the exact opposite the day before your surgery.

[39:29] Tommy Bracco: I would not have done that if I would have known you put up a post.

[39:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh no, it's so fun because we got a hundred messages just agreeing with me and saying Angelica's always right stuff.

[39:42] Phil Bracco: Alright, love you guys.

[39:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: We're watching.

[39:45] Phil Bracco: Love you bye.