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[0:01] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Today on Support For This Podcast.

[0:04] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No, I'm not trained.

[0:06] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm not a doctor.

[0:08] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm not a clergyman.

[0:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm not a family member.

[0:11] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I don't have an angle.

[0:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Which helps people go really deep.

[0:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: We speak to Quinn Katchum, founder and CEO of Kaptive Audience, an innovative service that allows people to share their dreams with someone who actually cares.

[0:26] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Or at least someone who's paid to do so.

[0:29] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: We'll hear about how Quinn's therapist recommended his current line of work and his tactics for never falling asleep in a session.

[0:36] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I have to practice in front of the mirror.

[0:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You know, I'll just look at my face and I'll look at my eyelids.

[0:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[0:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And I'll look at the muscles by my nose.

[0:45] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Uh-huh.

[0:46] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And I try to be as alert-looking as possible without looking somewhat frightening or psychotic.

[0:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Join us, won't you?

[0:53] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm Emily Amy Lauren Becca, and this is Support For This Podcast.

[1:10] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Hi everybody.

[1:11] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm here with Quinn Katchum, who has a pretty interesting job, a pretty interesting life, if I may say so.

[1:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Um welcome, Quinn to the podcast.

[1:19] Quinn Katchum: It's an honor to be here.

[1:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, can you tell us what it is exactly that you do?

[1:24] Quinn Katchum: Absolutely.

[1:24] Quinn Katchum: About five years ago, I started a business called Kaptive Audience.

[1:29] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[1:30] Quinn Katchum: Where I offer a service of complete and undivided attention.

[1:34] Quinn Katchum: I will come to your home or your place of business, and I'll really listen.

[1:39] Quinn Katchum: I'll listen to your dreams.

[1:42] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So, and when you say they're dreams, do you mean the dreams they have when they go to sleep at night?

[1:47] Quinn Katchum: That's correct.

[1:48] Quinn Katchum: Um, they're nocturnal dreams.

[1:49] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You're not a life coach.

[1:51] Quinn Katchum: I'm not.

[1:51] Quinn Katchum: No, I'm not trained.

[1:53] Quinn Katchum: Uh I'm not a doctor, I'm not a clergyman, I'm not a family member.

[1:58] Quinn Katchum: I don't have an angle, which helps people go really deep.

[2:03] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[2:04] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[2:05] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, how did you get into this line of work?

[2:07] Quinn Katchum: Well, it was actually my therapist's idea.

[2:07] Quinn Katchum: I'd been seeing a wonderful therapist for years, and um, you know, I was working on a tendency and a pattern to put other people's needs before my own.

[2:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Uh-huh.

[2:21] Quinn Katchum: And I was discussing the latest instance of this with my therapist, and he sort of looked at me and um sighed deeply, and then kind of said, you know, Quinn, I think there may be a way for you to monetize this.

[2:38] Quinn Katchum: And he ended our session early.

[2:41] Quinn Katchum: And then I walked I guess I had what you'd call a breakthrough.

[2:45] Quinn Katchum: Yeah.

[2:46] Quinn Katchum: I was walking on air out of his office because I thought, yes, this is something I can do.

[2:52] Quinn Katchum: I can completely put my needs aside and open myself up to another person and really hyper focus on them.

[3:01] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[3:01] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: It is exhausting.

[3:03] Quinn Katchum: It is exhausting to listen to people.

[3:06] Quinn Katchum: Um you have to hyperfocus, like I said before.

[3:09] Quinn Katchum: And I find I often need breaks where I truly just do nothing.

[3:14] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Mm-hmm.

[3:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, do you interpret the dreams as well?

[3:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Are you trained in that?

[3:18] Quinn Katchum: No, and I think that's an interesting point.

[3:20] Quinn Katchum: I don't interpret.

[3:22] Quinn Katchum: Sometimes people will want that.

[3:24] Quinn Katchum: And I'll say, Well, what do you think?

[3:28] Quinn Katchum: Or what my therapist used to say to me is, I don't know, Quinn.

[3:33] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[3:34] Quinn Katchum: I I don't know.

[3:35] Quinn Katchum: And um I think it's basically more important that they're talking it out.

[3:40] Quinn Katchum: They're solving the riddle of the dream, and I'm there to be a witness to that in a way.

[3:46] Quinn Katchum: It reminds me of um the confusion I felt watching the movie Inception.

[3:51] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Which is kind of like dreams.

[3:52] Quinn Katchum: Yeah, it's a riddle, isn't it?

[3:54] Quinn Katchum: And there are many layers in that movie.

[3:56] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[3:56] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, because you're not interpreting the dreams, because you're not analyzing them, you're you're listening.

[4:02] Quinn Katchum: That's right.

[4:03] Quinn Katchum: You're listening.

[4:04] Quinn Katchum: Would your clients know the difference if you're listening and truly listening, or if you're actually just sitting there and thinking about what's on your grocery list?

[4:13] Quinn Katchum: I weep.

[4:15] Quinn Katchum: Oh.

[4:16] Quinn Katchum: I weep.

[4:17] Quinn Katchum: Um I have a studio that I set up for people to come to if they want to.

[4:22] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[4:22] Quinn Katchum: Mm more often than than not, I'll go to whoever's home or it is.

[4:27] Quinn Katchum: I have a special um I call urgent bedside rate that is uh double my rate, and I will come to you in 30 minutes as long as you're within the five boroughs.

[4:40] Quinn Katchum: Um and I will sit at your bedside as you're waking, which is the most ti the time when the dream is most right uh closest to you.

[4:49] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes.

[4:50] Quinn Katchum: The most fertile time to share the dream.

[4:53] Quinn Katchum: What's nice is I can get myself there quickly, and you wake up and I'm you know, I'm there.

[4:59] Quinn Katchum: Often they go back to bed and sometimes I have to nudge them.

[5:04] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Uh-huh.

[5:05] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And that's that's funny.

[5:06] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, have you ever been uh concerned about a client after hearing what they what they dreamt about?

[5:11] Quinn Katchum: Yes.

[5:12] Quinn Katchum: Not so much to the point where I felt as though I need to take action.

[5:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Okay.

[5:18] Quinn Katchum: But yeah, I'll be concerned.

[5:20] Quinn Katchum: And I have regular clients that are on my mind.

[5:23] Quinn Katchum: Uh-huh.

[5:24] Quinn Katchum: I carry them with me in a way.

[5:26] Quinn Katchum: They're a huge part of my life, so much so that I don't really have a life.

[5:33] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[5:33] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well I'm I'm relieved to hear you say that because there are plenty of people I pay, you know, services that I I'm with them and I kind of consider them friends and I feel um I question that because I am paying them to be around me.

[5:46] Quinn Katchum: Mm-hmm.

[5:47] Quinn Katchum: And they seem to enjoy it but I was um yeah I it's it's a line that you have to be aware of.

[5:54] Quinn Katchum: I was invited to Bermuda once I did not go.

[5:59] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[6:01] Quinn Katchum: I d I don't want to talk anymore about that.

[6:03] Quinn Katchum: But that you know it's it's it's issues like that that you have to constantly be aware of.

[6:07] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[6:08] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: What are the qualities that make a make for a good dream?

[6:12] Quinn Katchum: What makes a good dream what would you say?

[6:14] Quinn Katchum: It's it's interesting I I'm so close to them I don't have objectivity.

[6:20] Quinn Katchum: I only have subjectivity.

[6:22] Quinn Katchum: But what is good is when I can tell it's organic, it's honest, it's coming from their soul and I'm genuinely riveted.

[6:32] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[6:32] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I get all kinds of people you know I I had a woman book a 90 minute session once her dream 90 minutes.

[6:38] Quinn Katchum: Well her dream only took up about two and then she spent the rest of the time talking about her anxiety about hosting Thanksgiving for her whole family.

[6:47] Quinn Katchum: Again, I don't encourage that but sometimes people just want to be heard.

[6:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[6:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[6:53] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Do you think sometimes people um you mention that the good dreams are you know the honest ones organic authentic such great words.

[7:01] Quinn Katchum: They don't get said enough, by the way, in this time.

[7:04] Quinn Katchum: I wish people used them more.

[7:05] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Um, but do you find that maybe people, um some people you say that because some people actually lie about their dreams.

[7:12] Quinn Katchum: I do, I think so.

[7:13] Quinn Katchum: There are a lot of lonely people out there.

[7:16] Quinn Katchum: This is something I've really discovered.

[7:18] Quinn Katchum: Is this has been a door opening, mind opening experience into just how lonely people are.

[7:25] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[7:25] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So, but someone would would call you, have you come over, pay you, and then tell you a dream that didn't happen?

[7:31] Quinn Katchum: Yes, I really think they will.

[7:32] Quinn Katchum: And you've been doing this enough that you can kind of sniff out, like you did not have a dream about Nene Leaks coming over.

[7:39] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

[7:40] Quinn Katchum: I I I mentioned Nene Leaks specifically because I did have a dream about Nene Leaks.

[7:46] Quinn Katchum: Yes.

[7:46] Quinn Katchum: And I remembered it, I think, specifically because it was so surprising to me.

[7:53] Quinn Katchum: You don't forget Nene Leaks in your dreams.

[7:56] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

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[9:08] Quinn Katchum: What a gift you have, because here I am talking about my own dreams.

[9:11] Quinn Katchum: Let's just like that and that's why I came.

[9:14] Quinn Katchum: It's I think it's something about my face and the way it's structured.

[9:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[9:18] Quinn Katchum: Um, it makes it invites honesty.

[9:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[9:21] Quinn Katchum: Um, certainly from my ex-wife Gail.

[9:25] Quinn Katchum: But also just I that's why I came up with the idea for the app.

[9:29] Quinn Katchum: Yeah.

[9:30] Quinn Katchum: Um my name is Quinn Katchum.

[9:32] Quinn Katchum: And my new app is called Dream Catcher.

[9:36] Quinn Katchum: It's spelled like my last name, K with a K.

[9:39] Quinn Katchum: And so, um so you can just it's just my face, really listening.

[9:46] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[9:46] Quinn Katchum: And um obviously I recommend people starting with me on a one-to-one face-to-face basis.

[9:52] Quinn Katchum: But it's uh it's in a way to dip your toe into what I have to offer.

[9:56] Quinn Katchum: Much like those apps of rain or a flower for meditating.

[10:01] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[10:01] Quinn Katchum: It's uh it's a way to introduce that to it's a feed, it's a video.

[10:08] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Is it um but it's it's recorded or is it live?

[10:11] Quinn Katchum: It is recorded, yes.

[10:12] Quinn Katchum: Yeah.

[10:12] Quinn Katchum: And and when they actually have an uh in-person session with you, they're not expecting a response anyway.

[10:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So I mean it is essentially the same thing.

[10:20] Quinn Katchum: Well, yes.

[10:21] Quinn Katchum: Um they aren't expecting a response.

[10:23] Quinn Katchum: Um sometimes they'll demand a response.

[10:26] Quinn Katchum: Uh the number one question I get from people is isn't that crazy?

[10:31] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[10:32] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Mm-hmm.

[10:33] Quinn Katchum: And so I have to often say something.

[10:38] Quinn Katchum: Um, well, because also they're putting they're putting the pieces back together and they they you know have that eureka moment of remembering the dream.

[10:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes.

[10:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And they really just want to witness to that remembrance.

[10:51] Quinn Katchum: Right.

[10:52] Quinn Katchum: That discovery moment.

[10:53] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[10:54] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, sh do you recommend people telling their friends about their dreams, or do you think it's better for them to find a dream specialist?

[11:00] Quinn Katchum: I don't.

[11:01] Quinn Katchum: I think it can destroy relationships.

[11:04] Quinn Katchum: I think it can be a really bad idea. Like you said before, people don't really want to hear it. So they'll use it as an excuse to enmesh certain issues within that. It's always better to have an impartial listener.

[11:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah. I think. Do you have a typical client?

[11:25] Quinn Katchum: Yes, it's usually someone who's incredibly busy. Oh. And they don't have time to have relationships in their lives. So I'm very useful. Most of my clients I meet between the hours of four a.m. and nine a.m. Oh my goodness. Particularly when it's a bedside urgent yes matter. Yeah. Which involves a lot of travel. But anyway, yes, I'll meet people who again want to be heard, want to share something, want to piece together the mystery of it, you know, the mystery of their subconscious.

[12:07] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure. Now, have you ever done bachelor or bachelorette parties?

[12:11] Quinn Katchum: No, I never have. I wouldn't rule it out. Sure. But again that goes to our point before of a line I try to keep there. I'm not gonna go to Bermuda.

[12:26] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Okay.

[12:26] Quinn Katchum: I'm yeah. You'll be there. I'm not gonna center your life fully.

[12:33] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Mm-hmm.

[12:36] Quinn Katchum: Now, have you ever heard a client's dream and thought it was actually interesting?

[12:42] Quinn Katchum: It's wonderful when I'm genuinely riveted. You know, and I don't have to—I don't want to say fake it, but you know how it is, as I'm sure you experience sometimes in your line of work. What? You know, feigning interest versus genuine interest.

[12:56] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[12:58] Quinn Katchum: For example, I was talking to a woman and she told me about a dream. She had been getting a lot of Botox recently, and she described to me in vivid detail a dream where every muscle in her face exploded. And I really felt it on a visceral level. Oh my goodness. It was interesting. I did mention it in my TED talk. She redesigned my kitchen, actually.

[13:25] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh beautiful. Have you ever found a dream to be not super exciting and to the point where maybe you even would fall asleep or—

[13:27] Quinn Katchum: I've never fallen asleep, but I have—I have to practice in front of the mirror. This is kind of a technical thing. I don't know how interesting this will be to your listeners, but you know, I'll just look at my face and look at—and I'll look at my eyelids and I'll look at the muscles by my nose. Uh-huh. And I try to be as alert looking as possible without looking somewhat frightening or psychotic. I practice that.

[14:04] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah, I wish our listeners could see your face right now because it explains a lot.

[14:09] Quinn Katchum: But I think the way you described it is very clear, just as a real treat for me. I'm very glad, and I actually sort of inspired by my old therapist. He had the same look on his face.

[14:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[14:20] Quinn Katchum: Often.

[14:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

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[15:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, are there any other avenues of stories where you've started to listen to people? Any other situations where it's not dream-based, it's something else?

[15:23] Quinn Katchum: It's interesting. That's why I changed the name to Kaptive Audience when I started. It was Dreamcatcher. Oh, like my name. But lately I've been discovering that people will want to share sort of drunk escapades with me. Oh. And they'll want to have someone there. Again, I don't offer advice or judgment. But I will hear them out and I will be there as they try to, you know, solve the mystery of what happened.

[15:57] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[15:58] Quinn Katchum: You know, and they'll say to me, "Quinn, did I drive to my brother's house in New Jersey after we went for tacos?" Right. Or before. Yeah. And I'll say, "I don't know." And then they'll say, "Before," so I'll be there for the discovery.

[16:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[16:18] Quinn Katchum: I think it's fascinating. It's not wildly different from dreams. Sure. But it does attract a specific kind of person—well, I'll just say alcoholics.

[16:37] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh you know sure.

[16:39] Quinn Katchum: So there's that and I feel like I'll leave thinking this person should get some help. But I leave thinking that sometimes with the person who gives you your coffee in the morning. You know, these all these interactions in our lives can go well or not.

[16:57] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah oh yeah you know sometimes the attitude you can get when you order a latte, it's like you told them their dog died or something the way they treat you.

[17:06] Quinn Katchum: I know and you just—and you say, "Well yeah, I ordered an oat milk latte, but that's on you for serving oat milk to begin with."

[17:13] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right. That is a hell for me. Now do you think so when you're listening to someone talk about their drunk night out, do you ever have FOMO when you're listening to that story?

[17:27] Quinn Katchum: No, because I don't do that anymore in my own life. I used to go out, I used to drink, I used to have fun.

[17:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[17:41] Quinn Katchum: But those days are over. Oh, I do get a—if I will say a vicarious thrill sometimes from hearing about a wild fun night.

[17:53] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[17:54] Quinn Katchum: More often than not, though, they aren't fun nights that people share with me.

[18:00] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[18:01] Quinn Katchum: They're wild, horrifying mysteries that sometimes need to be solved and figured out.

[18:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Do you think there's a diagram or a chart that kind of—there's a certain age you hit where certain experiences or drunk stories, it's like, "Oh, that's fun and lovely," and then you get to a certain age and then it starts just to seem kind of sadder and scarier?

[18:31] Quinn Katchum: Yes, I do. I think it's thirty-five.

[18:33] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Thirty-five. Okay.

[18:34] Quinn Katchum: Oh, that's—I've got a few years left. Thirty-five is also the year that for women it becomes considered a geriatric pregnancy if you get pregnant.

[18:47] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You're kidding.

[18:48] Quinn Katchum: No.

[18:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Where did you read that?

[18:50] Quinn Katchum: Oh, my doctors told me many times.

[18:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Many times.

[18:53] Quinn Katchum: Mm-hmm.

[18:56] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Geriatric pregnancy.

[18:58] Quinn Katchum: It's almost like an oxymoron, isn't it?

[19:00] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Mm-hmm.

[19:01] Quinn Katchum: Huh. Well, do you like your doctor?

[19:06] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well, I think she has an agenda.

[19:08] Quinn Katchum: Again.

[19:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[19:10] Quinn Katchum: Many people do. And again, that's why I've started Kaptive Audience, because I don't. I don't have an agenda.

[19:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[19:19] Quinn Katchum: I mean, maybe it's a compliment. Maybe she's scaring me about the time I have left to get pregnant because she thinks I would make for make such a great mom.

[19:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Do you want to have kids? What would you say if someone wanted to talk to you about their trip abroad, their vacation?

[19:39] Quinn Katchum: I don't encourage it.

[19:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And now have you ever had a session where you had to just stop it in the middle and say this cannot go on?

[19:46] Quinn Katchum: I have, and I can't discuss those.

[19:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Okay.

[19:49] Quinn Katchum: Mm-hmm. That's fair. It sort of is related to the trip to Bermuda or the offer of the trip to Bermuda. It was a very difficult.

[19:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah. How has the job affected the rest of your life?

[20:03] Quinn Katchum: Well, I'm financially secure now.

[20:06] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's great.

[20:07] Quinn Katchum: And I have a home.

[20:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[20:10] Quinn Katchum: And it has furniture in it.

[20:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, okay.

[20:13] Quinn Katchum: And you know, I'm able to move about the world sort of freely.

[20:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[20:19] Quinn Katchum: I feel secure.

[20:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's wonderful.

[20:21] Quinn Katchum: I spend a lot of time alone.

[20:23] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[20:24] Quinn Katchum: But, you know, it's worth it for all those things that I just said that I didn't have before.

[20:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[20:30] Quinn Katchum: Yeah. I'm just now beginning though to think maybe I could maybe bring someone else into my life.

[20:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[20:41] Quinn Katchum: It might be the time to do that.

[20:43] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah. Would you tell them your dreams?

[20:47] Quinn Katchum: Wow. It's interesting. I don't dream since having this job.

[20:54] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[20:54] Quinn Katchum: Or at least I don't remember them.

[20:56] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Interesting.

[20:58] Quinn Katchum: But if I did and I did remember it, yeah. I think I would tell them.

[21:01] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[21:05] Quinn Katchum: I wasn't expecting to talk about all this. I'm sorry.

[21:08] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh no, I'm—I appreciate you being so revealing.

[21:11] Quinn Katchum: Well, yeah. Thank you.

[21:14] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Thank you for joining us.

[21:15] Quinn Katchum: It's been my pleasure.

[21:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Quick update. I was recently on a solo vacation to Bermuda where I ran into Quinn Katchum. I suppose he took that client up on their offer, after all. When we made eye contact, he put his head down and walked past me as if I didn't exist. I thought it was odd, but I respected his distance, and I'll be calling him soon to listen to my dreams. I'm Emily Amy Lauren Becca. Thanks for listening. And as always, for supporting Support For This Podcast.