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[0:00] Eli Tokash: Hello everyone and welcome to episode 58 of Take A Bow.

[0:05] Eli Tokash: I'm your host, Eli Tokash, and we have not had an episode come out on the first of the month in quite some time. So what we're gonna do is I couldn't think of a better way to start off the month than bringing back the more intimate episodes that Cindy and I used to do when we were doing the podcast together, and we would sometimes just meet on ourselves and talk about theater and talk about our journeys and everything like that.

[0:33] Eli Tokash: So this time we're gonna switch it up and we're gonna do it with my siblings, which has kind of been requested by a lot of listeners. So I'm very excited to see how this goes today, and I'm very, very excited to be with you all this week because Broadway is officially reopened, and come on. I mean, Broadway is open, it's been a year and a half plus and Broadway's open and the city is reopening and marquees are going up to all these new shows. It's amazing.

[1:04] Eli Tokash: I'm about to have my first musical theater audition in about a year and a half to two years, and I couldn't be more excited. So everything's coming back. It's just every week and every day really just continues to get more exciting as far as Broadway's return and everything like that and the world kind of returning back to normal. But it's been great, and let's talk about what's going on.

[1:30] Eli Tokash: Because Broadway is reopened. Let's talk about Bruce Springsteen. You knew I had to talk about it this week. You know, it's Bruce Springsteen, it's the only show on Broadway right now, so let's talk about it. Bruce Springsteen officially opened on June 26th and it marked Broadway's return, and it was the first Broadway show to return, Springsteen on Broadway.

[1:52] Eli Tokash: And it's been all the rage up here now. It's the only show that you can see, it's kind of like the only live show that you can see. So very exciting there, and I assume that that's why it's all the rage up here, and it's just very exciting. And they're saying that this production of it is even better than the one that originally opened on Broadway a few years ago and was a limited run and shut down.

[2:09] Eli Tokash: They're saying that this show was similar to the original incarnation of it, but there's a lot of new additions and new phrases and everything like that. It was really cool. A bunch of friends of mine have seen it. Laura Hayward, a previous Take A Bow guest, came to see it on opening night. And of course, this is not your typical Broadway show, so they're not in previews, so it's opened already. It's just him on a stage singing his heart out, and it's amazing.

[2:52] Eli Tokash: So all of these reviews are getting rave reviews. It's saying that this is better than the first version. If you love Springsteen, if you love live music, check it out. It's wonderful to see everyone come together again. He makes references to the pandemic and saying how lucky and thankful we all are to be here and that it could have been a lot worse, and he keeps it very light and heartfelt and leaves you really just uplifted leaving the show.

[3:25] Eli Tokash: And he says there have been people from San Francisco and Phoenix and Asbury Park and New York, and you know he names all these little states and he hears people scream in the audience like woo-hoo, cheering from my hometown and everything, and it's wonderful. It's wonderful to see everyone coming back together. It's wonderful to see tourists coming to New York and experiencing the magic once again. And it's just really great to hear, and it's something that's been long overdue, and I just could not be happier that we are here.

[4:04] Eli Tokash: And speaking of being here, they're trying to bring a musical here to New York. And it's not a musical, it's more of an opera, and it's interestingly enough going to be about Harvey Weinstein's trials. Yes, that is right. They are currently working on an opera-style show titled The Trial of Harvey Weinstein, an opera, and it's going to be right now, it's going to be in Northern Ireland, but the director really, really wants to bring it to New York and says that this is like a natural home. New York City would be a natural home for this wonderful show and story that they're trying to tell.

[4:53] Eli Tokash: And there will be no actor in the Weinstein role. Harvey Weinstein will be referenced, but he will not have a part, and so he will not have anything against that. The writer and director Connor Mitchell wrote the music, and he will be taking the libretto directly from the six women who testified against Weinstein during these New York City trials in 2020. So it's very interesting. I mean, it was bound to happen soon enough. We all assumed that it would be a movie or a musical of some sort, but this will be focusing just on the trials and will not be focusing on all of the stories and everything like that.

[5:34] Eli Tokash: It'll be more of the testimonies and everything like that, and it'll be an opera, and it's going to be a story to be told, that's for sure. And that'll be very exciting. It's in the early stages, so I say this, and if it's not here on Broadway or somewhere in New York in the next two to three years, it's probably not gonna happen. It's probably gonna happen way, way, way down the line. And it'll hopefully be in New York and be getting some educating other audience members who may not know the story and share it in such a beautiful operatic way. So that's very interesting. That caught my attention.

[6:20] Eli Tokash: Of course, he was the producer of Finding Neverland, so whenever I see his name in the headlines, I'm like, oh boy, I know that name, and it catches my attention. The Trial of Harvey Weinstein and Opera has hopes to bring it to New York. So keep an eye out for that. And speaking of shows coming to New York or reopening, I guess you could say, Harry Potter is reopening November 16th on Broadway.

[6:46] Eli Tokash: However, it is only going to be reopening as a one-part show. So for those of you who have seen Harry Potter, what they're doing is so mean because literally I saw the whole show in a day, and I had two and a half hours between my shows, and I was going crazy. So I cannot imagine going like weeks or months or whatever, maybe a year, whatever their plan is, and reopening to see part two. It's very interesting that they're going this route. I figured there would be something unique going on with this.

[7:23] Eli Tokash: So Harry Potter, November 16th as a one part. So those of you who have not seen Harry Potter, I don't know if I would go see it yet. Maybe you'll wait till you're closer to the part two reopening or wait till they're doing both part one and part two. I don't know. That one part is so tricky. Unless you've read the books and you haven't seen it and you know what's happening, maybe that's a little different, but I never read that book because I knew it was gonna be a play, and I knew that they were gonna bring it to Broadway, and I wanted to see it on the stage.

[7:58] Eli Tokash: So I didn't really know what was gonna happen in the book, and I'm glad I did not go that route because the stage version was just visually incredible, both visually and artistically, and it was just written amazingly, and yeah, I loved, loved, loved that show. And another show, Neil Simon's Plaza Suite will begin previews on February 25th, 2022, and it will be opening the following month on March 28th, 2022. So yeah, great stuff happening.

[8:38] Eli Tokash: I announced last week that Chicken and Biscuit show that's coming. That'll be before both of those actually, on September 23rd and opening October 10th. A little shorter of previews and opening, but it'll be equally amazing and very impressive and very historic that show. If you missed that from last week, go check that out. It's at the beginning of the episode, so you won't have to listen to too much again.

[9:06] Eli Tokash: And yeah, I'm very excited for that one too. So, as I said, this is gonna be an intimate episode. So, you're gonna be hearing a lot more of me today. So, I'm gonna keep these intro and outro short, and we will turn it over to the interview right after we do our drama dictionary section.

[9:24] Eli Tokash: So, this week's drama dictionary word of the week is going to be the difference between a standby and understudy, an alternate and a swing. Well, we will start out with understudy, as that's the more universal and basic term that we should all kind of be familiar with. So an understudy is someone in the cast who is the quote unquote backup for the main person who goes on every other show.

[9:55] Eli Tokash: An understudy will always be backstage and always be ready to go. Usually, understudies will only cover one to two roles so that they're not listed as a swing. An understudy will kind of just be ready whenever they usually don't have a role in the show otherwise, except to be the understudy for that particular role. An alternate is someone who is an understudy, but they are also guaranteed shows, so they're at least guaranteed either a couple shows a week or a couple shows a month, on vacation days, whatever it may be. That can be considered as an alternate.

[10:37] Eli Tokash: Now, a swing will do a whole bunch of roles, so at least like four plus roles, I would assume would be the limit to label yourself as a swing, so that's what a swing is. And then we also have standby, and what a standby is, they will not be any other role other than standby for usually the main character. It's very rare that this is an actual thing, this standby. It's usually in roles where you have like an alphabet and it's vocally demanding and it's craziness and it's all these things, and doing it eight shows a week is insane. They do it for Dear Evan Hansen as well, and they will literally do nothing else except standby for that one role and just to be sure that that one person is safe.

[10:37] Eli Tokash: Because there's understudies who cover a couple roles and that's about it, and they're gonna be standing by for their roles, but they also have other roles to worry about. So if they go on, they have to focus on those roles first, and a standby is literally they only have one role they have to worry about, and they're the first to go on before the understudy, and they're just there to make sure there's an insurance so that the show can go on. And those are only for those very, very demanding roles in a show, so that's the difference between those four. I hope that was helpful.

[12:14] Eli Tokash: If I need to elaborate, I absolutely will. You all know how to contact me. It's in the it's in the end of the episode if you do not. So those are the difference. I hope that was helpful. And uh I know there's a lot of confusion about that. People have messaged me about it, so I'm clearing it up today, and uh I hope that's helpful for you all. So, with that being said, let's turn it over to my siblings, and we're gonna talk about what it takes to really take a bow. I'm very excited for this episode. So, everyone, welcome my siblings, Tessie and Zach Tokash.

[13:07] Eli Tokash: So this week uh we have my siblings on the show. It's the first live interview of Take A Bow, and I couldn't be more exciting. It's very fitting that it's with these two people who are both very special to me and very special to the process of Take A Bow. So, everyone, welcome to the show. Tessie Tokash and Zach Tokash. Thank you guys for joining this week.

[13:28] Tessie Tokash: Thank you for having us.

[13:30] Zach Tokash: Yeah, excited and yeah.

[13:32] Eli Tokash: Let's talk, I guess from the beginning. Let's talk about home and what it was like and why we uh kind of got started in the theater and the drastic change that it was for us when we when we got there. So, do you want to take it, Tessie, since you kind of started this whole thing?

[13:51] Tessie Tokash: I try and make it as quick as possible without details. Um I was about 11 years old, and I uh was sifting through the newspaper, and I found this ad in the newspaper that Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Um with Dick Van Dyke. Well, not with him, but I remember watching and being obsessed with that film. And I saw that they were looking for five local children. There was auditions at the Pittsburgh CLO, which none of us have ever heard before. Um but I showed my mom and I was just like, hey, this looks awesome. Like I just want to go audition. I was also doing dance, so I was just like, it'd be like good experience as well, and get me, you know, some uh practice with dancing and my on uh my uh on stage presence.

So uh my mom said no the first like five times I asked, and then I begged and begged and begged, and uh after, you know, hiding it under a pillow and hiding it everywhere in the house and putting it on the fridge, she kinda was just like, Alright, let's just go, it's good little experience for you. This was the morning of that she was kinda like, alright, I'll take you. And I like we were so excited to get an outfit together and everything. I showed up and all camo. My hair was down, one was braided to the side, and I showed up to the audition, everybody's wearing jazz shoes and dance shoes and dance outfits, and uh yeah, I'm the only one wearing all camo and I showed up and they were like taking numbers and I was so confused, I didn't know what was happening.

Uh but yeah, I uh sang my song and I they cut me basically. They're just like, okay, I'm see you guys. I saw people going after for uh dance numbers and everything, and I was just like, you know, it was so much fun. I was really happy. And then two weeks later, uh, we got a call. My mom did. We were I was in uh again, I was in one of my dance lessons, and I just got done doing a back hand spring, and I accidentally like kicked like somebody, and it was my mom. She came in, she was just like, You got the part, you're one of five, and I was just like, I totally forgot about the audition, but this is awesome. And uh, we went in uh a couple uh weeks later, I um learned the show in one day. These me and these uh four other kids.

Among them was uh Joe. Joe Serafini who's been on the show. Yeah, and um yeah, that's kind of how we met. He was one of the kids that showed up in dance shoes and a dance outfit that was professional. Headshot and headshot and everything. I didn't even have a shot. Yeah, it was yeah, didn't have any of that. Uh it was it was a great experience. Yeah, and then we learned a lot from Joe and other people in his cast, or in her cast and her his family. And uh we talked about that a little bit on the episode with him, but uh he's the one who kind of really started it all as well in like uh the next level of uh it for us and now and then we all three got apart it got into the CLO at in Pittsburgh, which we've talked about a lot on here.

Um, and that's kind of like an academy that you can go and you can learn all of your you can, you know, uh I guess expand on your creative ability and talents and explore like all of that for take different classes, all the lessons and everything, and really learn the fundamentals of the performing art industry.

[17:22] Eli Tokash: So then um this is we were still living in West Virginia, and we would go to Pittsburgh to we would travel there to do all of this, and Tessie was in The Cat in the Hat, Zach was in Camp Rock, Shane Gray, not a big deal. Um with uh Justin Bieber hair flip and everything. It was great, and uh yeah, and then I was in the jungle book and we were all three doing summer camps at CLO, and then all of a sudden these two got into mini stars, and like their careers were like taking off at Pittsburgh, and I was just like, I really want to do it. Well, at the time yours was too because you had uh tiny you were tiny ten. Right. Cause I remember I auditioned for that, and that was the first one that I didn't get, and I was just like, Oh, okay.

And then mini stars happened and I was just like, Oh great, this is awesome. Yeah, it wasn't for a while that especially I got into it. Like it was once we saw Tessie, and he said that I think I want to give that a shot and do it. And I was just like people don't do that. This is weird. Guys don't do that in West Virginia. You don't go and do musical theater, and it was it didn't come it didn't happen for a while that I was like, oh wow, this is actually a really cool and fun way to express yourself and really just outlet and Yeah, I was gonna say, like, it's not even like expressing, it's just like an outlet to just release everything that you want to release, and there's so much, especially like back home.

I remember the tension, I would feel that I would be so excited to drive 45 minutes. I didn't care how long it took, I'd be so excited to drive up there and say hi to like basically a no one that you saw in Weirden was in Pittsburgh.

[19:06] Zach Tokash: Yeah, exactly. It wasn't it was a really cool experience for us because like you know, where we're from, it's a very small town and everyone knows everyone. So coming into this new town and coming into Pittsburgh, doing things that we'd never really done before and meeting all these new people, I think that was just another element that just made it so much enjoyable for us and made it so intriguing to us and pulled us in.

[19:25] Tessie Tokash: Yeah, and theater's like really helped me like not like reinvent myself, but like add on to my character. Like back in West Virginia, you were, you know, a copy and paste, like everybody kind of knew. And if you were off a beat in a day, people would be like, talk about it, like, oh, do you see like this person was off today, or this person at church was off today? Like um, but like when you would go to Pittsburgh or any b anything, like you you could express or even try something new. Like I remember I wanted to try a different like I cut my hair short to to be an Oliver. Like, and I remember people when I would go to see a look, people were just like, Oh my gosh, your hair is great, and you know, people were back home saying the same thing as well, but like also at the same time, like you know, people talking about you behind your back, you know, like yeah, and you yeah, and so that was something new too.

You just developed like a whole new family for the time, and you were like so excited to see that family, and it was just completely different from the normal, not the normal, the everyday cycle of being in West Virginia and the like groundhog.

[20:26] Zach Tokash: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, people from Pittsburgh, they were driving like 10 minutes back to their home, but we were driving 45 minutes back, but it would 45 minutes up and 45 minutes back, we'd be we would be exhausted, but it'd kind of be like so worth it. Like we would we would every week we look forward to it.

[20:39] Eli Tokash: Yeah, and so la this is very brief and like kind of short. We can go on for days. Um but so then as we mentioned, you guys we were all kind of our careers started to we started to have like some sort of career in the theater industry, all three of us really. Um and in Pittsburgh, we were all represented by the talent group in Pittsburgh. Uh we were doing like voiceovers for gas stations and all these things, like radio.

[21:04] Zach Tokash: Yeah, and I was a model for Frankenstein at right age.

[21:13] Eli Tokash: So excited to hear that my modeling career was taking off because at that time I was a five two, two hundred pounds that's right.

[21:19] Zach Tokash: Yeah, we really wait real quick, tell your story on that.

[21:23] Zach Tokash: Uh my mom got a call, said, Is your son allergic to latex? And at that time I had no idea what latex even was. Um and I was like, I'm getting my modeling careers taken off. Look at me, I can't wait to go to school and stuff like that. And he didn't know that he was gonna be Frankenstein.

[21:28] Eli Tokash: I had no idea it was for the Halloween edition of writing, and that I would go through six hours of makeup and everything to them put all this stuff on my face and then eight hours to take it off and then be plastered as Frankenstein across the country. But yeah. Do I have to can I put your picture in?

[21:58] Zach Tokash: Yeah, absolutely.

[21:59] Eli Tokash: Yeah, absolutely. Um, so yeah, so we were all kind of doing our own things and you know, doing it together as like a family because we didn't really know how else to do it. Um and then we had a difficult decision that came upon us when I had my first audition in New York and that was for the tour of Mary Poppins, and that was like the first time that we had to like make a decision to not do it as like a family and like not uh, you know, have each other there for us all the time and we were gonna be away and whatnot. So, Zach, you can touch on this first because you I remember the decision process. We all the five of us and even our grandparents were like all sitting at our dining room table and we were all like, Okay, here's the situation.

Eli got a role and he's gonna have to leave for six months. We're not sure how we're gonna be able to do it. You know, my both parents were working and everything like that. And if if you were gonna take it, yeah, it was gonna be a good thing. Yeah, so we were like, this is it, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So how do we make this work? How do we make it so that he can do it?

[23:06] Eli Tokash: Right. And the thing was w if you know, the two of them were really the decision makers, Zach and Tessie, because they weren't gonna have their sibling, they weren't gonna have the a w a parent, uh, they were gonna have to figure out how to make it work. And they were really the deciding factors. And I remember Zach was the one who was really like, You guys would be crazy Zach's very opinionated, but in the best ways. So he was like, he was not shy and show throwing his opinion around. So he's going, You can, you have to make it work, you gotta let him go. So Zach touch on that and kind of what that experience was like.

[23:41] Zach Tokash: Yeah, before that, I mean I don't know how much I don't think he has the first the process of getting to the audition first. Of everybody was like, Oh, there's midnight buses, there's midnight buses, and yeah, like we eventually found mega bus, fell in love with mega bus. Not fell in love, but it was the it was the easiest affordable, most affordable, accessible, and the just way that we could get to see the family throughout all of this. But the first time we ever went to New York City, my mom told us she found the mega bus, and we pulled up to this Asian bus line in I have no idea where in PA. And then it dropped us off in Chinatown. We woke up and we saw Chinese billboards and Chinese writing like all over the walls, and we're like, oh my god, we're not I I didn't think I was in the USA no anymore.

[24:31] Zach Tokash: Well, okay, so that was for my first time our first time in New York, where we were still jobs and everything and everything like that.

[24:40] Eli Tokash: So Papa, we drove up, you, me, my mom, and papa.

[24:45] Zach Tokash: Yes. We drove up and we stayed at like a hotel and then we actually saw Mary Poppins the day before. Um but yes, that was another story of our first time in New York where we were visiting agents and those are the a eventually an agent brought us all on.

[25:02] Eli Tokash: Right.

[25:02] Zach Tokash: And once again, like my parents were like, Oh, if you want him, sign the other two too. Um very Joe.

[25:10] Eli Tokash: Yeah, so um we all got agents.

[25:13] Zach Tokash: Yeah. So we all got agents, and then my first audition, we we made it work, and then yeah, can t you can Yeah, sorry. Um but so yeah, that came to us and I don't know, my I guess just seeing the way that my family has always been and I mean not that it was anything to the scale of figuring out, but we've just always made it work and found a way to um to power through and to just figure it out how we can all be the happiest and also exceeding and doing the best uh for each person.

[25:50] Eli Tokash: And when this came when this was put on the table that Eli got a role for Mary Poppins uh Broadway touring company, I mean, there was just no way that like this is something not not that we had been working for and like this was like 'cause like it's still at that time in my life, like I didn't realize like, oh like end goal is Broadway, like that's what we should work for.

[26:12] Zach Tokash: We didn't even know what that that was like what it was. Like we this was just something that you did for fun and whatever, and just the fact that you now had the opportunity to not do it at the CLO because like oh it was C L O C L O C L O, but now you can tour it and be at a hundred. See the world it was just an opportunity that you can't really pass on.

[26:33] Eli Tokash: You couldn't pass on, so yeah, I am very opinionated and will let me be heard, especially in my family.

[26:39] Zach Tokash: But yeah, there was no way in my head that we could pass on this because it's uh opportunity that how doesn't come often and especially I've seen how rare it does happen, and the fact that it did happen to us in Little Town West Virginia was just we couldn't pass it up.

[26:56] Eli Tokash: It was also like, Oh, it's six months, yeah. We'll we'll be fine.

[27:01] Zach Tokash: Yeah, we never thought it'd be eight, nine years.

[27:04] Eli Tokash: Yeah.

[27:04] Zach Tokash: Yeah, after being exposed to theater though, like we realized being up in Pittsburgh, we saw how many auditions these kids would go through and be like, no, no, no. So for you to get it, like a touring even, we first of all, touring was completely new to us because we were like, Okay, local theater, okay, there's this and that, and um T tech or MT stars and everything.

[27:24] Eli Tokash: And then we saw I mean, I remember um Logan Rowland getting the tour of the Adams family.

[27:32] Zach Tokash: Yeah, Rachel Moracno, we thought they were like, huge, we were like, oh my god, that's touring. Like, what is that?

[27:37] Eli Tokash: I remember researching it and being like, Oh wow, this is huge.

[27:40] Zach Tokash: And then you getting that we were like, You can't pass this up, are you kidding? Like, people work their whole lives to get like just a touring production.

[27:46] Eli Tokash: Yeah, people have been busting their butt for since they were three years old to get an opportunity to even audition for something like that, let alone be handed, not handed, but be given the chance to be a part of it.

[27:59] Zach Tokash: That's the thing too, like people work at their talents their entire life. So you have this like raw thing that like people saw and were just like, Yeah, we need you. Because that was a whole huge thing that and you know this why you got a lot of things, because you were so raw, and people would be like, you know, oh we can take you and we can like mold you into our own character or whatever.

[28:19] Eli Tokash: So a lot of people like are trained to do that, like you you're you're great and everything, but like you weren't really.

[28:25] Zach Tokash: Yeah, we can edit that out. That's not part of the story.

[28:28] Eli Tokash: And if and but it definitely didn't uh it wasn't bad that you were the like cutest seven, eight year old in the world, but yeah.

[28:34] Zach Tokash: Yeah, okay.

[28:36] Eli Tokash: Um anyways, so then we have to we have to say goodbye for the first time ever, and like saying goodbye, uh they they say it would get easier as it went, but in my opinion, I feel like it got harder every time we said goodbye because it seemed like every time we said goodbye, it would we would go longer without seeing each other.

[28:57] Zach Tokash: So, like, then there was that phase that we didn't know that we'd have to go through.

[29:02] Eli Tokash: Yeah, that I'm glad you said that because I feel yeah, when people are when you do something so often, yeah, and like everybody says it gets easier, and especially like that, and like not that we didn't think we were not gonna see each other again, but like saying goodbye, like especially with this whole process has like scarred me.

[29:21] Zach Tokash: Right saying goodbye to people, and it's just always it's still like it gets harder every time no matter who it is, and I don't know, I just always wanted to be like not like a grand big thing, but like I want to have that moment and like have that time to like say goodbye and enjoy the time like right before it does happen.

[29:42] Eli Tokash: It's also interesting. You brought up the other day, like you were like, Oh, oh well, we we recently moved and we were like, Oh, well, like you were saying that you weren't attached.

[29:52] Zach Tokash: Like you won't you don't allow yourself to get like attached to places anymore, like our homes, technically, because you know like something's gonna happen, we're gonna have to say goodbye, and you don't want that emotion. So that was an interesting thing too.

[30:04] Eli Tokash: Yeah, that's our because I mean our home at 107 Powers Road was I mean giving hatches.

[30:12] Zach Tokash: No, because like that's how I like that's how I have it in my head now.

[30:14] Eli Tokash: Like, I mean look look it up, stock bus, like whatever, I don't care.

[30:18] Zach Tokash: Yeah, we don't live there anymore.

[30:21] Eli Tokash: Our picture is still on the Google Maps, but it's a we don't live there anymore.

[30:25] Zach Tokash: Um, but no, ever since we moved out of that house and kind of you kind of saw that you knew that this was going to be a permanent thing, and that we were going to end up coming to New York and everything, like after no, I mean that wasn't at first, that was after two, three years of this.

[30:45] Eli Tokash: Um and moving to our next house, which we downsized into a smaller house because at that time it was Tessie was going to college soon, so it was just gonna be my mom and I home.

[30:54] Zach Tokash: I've just I mean it's it's terrible to say, but like I just have like cut that part of myself off of like growing an emotional attachment to a living space.

[31:03] Eli Tokash: Yeah, a living space or materi not materialistic things, but like that sort of um yeah, just that sort of thing and environment because I mean in my head it's just kind of like I I know I sound like the white mom in the bathroom sign, but it's like home home isn't this isn't the home isn't the home.

[31:26] Zach Tokash: Like home is where uh your family is type of thing.

[31:29] Eli Tokash: And like the people that you're with.

[31:31] Zach Tokash: Um but yeah.

[31:33] Eli Tokash: White woman's Instagram.

[31:35] Zach Tokash: Yeah, white women's Instagram.

[31:36] Eli Tokash: Um yeah, so then we started saying bye, and then you know, this continued to grow and we had to ultimately move and this was actually a question I wanted to ask.

[31:49] Zach Tokash: Oh yeah, go ahead.

[31:49] Eli Tokash: Real quick. Just super quickly. For me it during the Mary Poppins pro Mary Poppins process, it actually did contrary to everybody else, it got easier for me only because I was the only one that didn't really venture out on tour with you guys.

[32:05] Zach Tokash: Because he I you would you went a lot on you went to Alaska and everything.

[32:09] Eli Tokash: So like you, you know, growing talk about growing attachment to places, like you went a lot of places with them, like with the family with who was it you and Dad mostly constantly changing.

[32:20] Zach Tokash: Me and Ma mostly at the time.

[32:22] Eli Tokash: Constantly changing an environment so that was rough.

[32:26] Zach Tokash: But I can't relate.

[32:29] Eli Tokash: Yeah you you were used to like hop skipping everywhere.

[32:32] Zach Tokash: No, I'm saying I I would get attached to yeah and that it made it easier for me because I wasn't really experiencing that.

[32:43] Eli Tokash: I was getting ready to go to college and experience my own new kind of home if you'd say so.

[32:51] Zach Tokash: So then this is the this is a Patreon question as I was alluding to before.

[32:57] Eli Tokash: Um you know so this thing continues to grow.

[33:01] Zach Tokash: We're seeing each other for longer we're we're going without seeing each other for a longer period of time.

[33:07] Eli Tokash: Um and then this was a question submitted and w they wanna know what it was like having your brother and p and a parent gone for so long and how cool would it be when you were i finally able to visit and also like see him on stage and see like why you're kinda doing this.

[33:26] Zach Tokash: Take that away.

[33:27] Eli Tokash: Yeah.

[33:27] Zach Tokash: Um yeah, I'll touch on this 'cause I mean to this day, um I always say it was it's one of the hardest things that our family's gone through and it definitely took a toll on our family like I don't know and I don't want to say it like oh whatever, but like no part of this was easy.

[33:45] Eli Tokash: Yeah.

[33:45] Zach Tokash: Like and but we knew that there was a dream and that there was the opportunity and again like in my head, yeah, are we gonna is it gonna suck for the how the five years, six years, whatever it was gonna be.

[34:01] Eli Tokash: Yeah.

[34:02] Zach Tokash: But at the end of it, like we were growing up, we were going to end up moving to the city and we were all going to have better lives because of it and have more opportunity, not only for Eli but for Tessie now with editing and the internships that she's been able to have and currently doing um then job.

[34:21] Eli Tokash: And job that she's gonna start soon and for me to just I mean my dad had always like we grew up saying like don't be you're everybody in Weirden's a doctor, lawyer, pharmacist, whatever and not that those I'm not bashing on any of those professions at all.

[34:38] Zach Tokash: Because those are all very respectful professions.

[34:41] Eli Tokash: But there's not your arts and management and business and to the level that New York City has and I'm not saying that no other place not as many opportunities.

[34:55] Zach Tokash: I mean to be fair.

[34:56] Eli Tokash: You hit the nail on the head though and I have a documentary I did it for my caps out, but he Zach hit the nail on the head of like art culture back home.

[35:03] Zach Tokash: Yeah.

[35:03] Eli Tokash: If you want to repeat what you said in that documentary 'cause it's so true about like the little mermaid having the budget that you literally go to

[35:03] Zach Tokash: Yeah, did I I ended up doing Pessy and I were in our uh d high school drama programs and everything and our the budgets for our show I mean were you were praying to get like a hundred and fifty dollar budget so that um you could get costumes and stuff like that and most of it the drama teacher uh was paying for it because he loved the arts and saw that and that's that was the thing like that just goes to show you how m underrepresented it is in this in the s in the town that we live in because like most of the budget, especially for local theaters, are donations.

[35:47] Eli Tokash: So like so those are people's families like willing to help out, but like no one wants to support the art.

[35:52] Zach Tokash: They're they're gonna support the church and they're gonna support the sports teams and all of that.

[35:56] Eli Tokash: So like that's it's very interesting to see the representation that West Virginia has, and now that we like grew up there and now we are like out of that, and now we're kind of all pursuing passion and careers in the arts.

[36:09] Zach Tokash: And when I think about it, like in high school, like some of the best memories was from that like ninety dollar budget.

[36:15] Eli Tokash: Right theater club.

[36:17] Zach Tokash: So yeah, it was it was very hard and I mean it like I said, it took a toll on the family and a lot of us had to step up and some of us more than others, and some of us took it harder than others.

[36:28] Eli Tokash: Um and just overall, I mean, I would I'd go back and do it all over again and would not change a thing because here we are now and everything.

[36:39] Tessie Tokash: But yeah, it was hard and because growing up like it was always me, my dad and Eli going to a penguin game, going to hockey practice, going to I mean, whatever. We had a our blue Kia was designated that it was our penguins car, and we got in it to go to the city. Yeah, it's not like our hockey bag. So like that was like our hockey. But yeah, so it was hard and the dynamics definitely changed and continued to change over the years, but it wasn't until like throughout this whole thing and even when I was on tour with Eli during Mary Poppins and everything, um I still didn't fully understand everything and the aspect of how big it was. Because in my head, yeah, again, it was touring, like this was just another step of like, yeah, it's so cool that you can do this, and absolutely no, we're not gonna pass it up.

But I never understood the greater outlook on it until I saw him on his opening night in Pippin and just like actually like taking a step back and looking at like all of the people who have paid hundreds of dollars, just completely random people, and the people who are standing outside at the stage door after wanting us to sign pictures and how much it means to them and how big of a community and just how it touches each person differently, and like to see that that's my little brother up there doing that and like making people feel that way was just such a surreal moment, and that was definitely a moment that I'll never forget, and finally understood a lot more of the level that he was on and what it meant to people.

[38:20] Zach Tokash: Wow. Ooh. That was pretty.

[38:22] Tessie Tokash: Yeah, and honestly, I touching on that, I feel like we were well, shout out to Dan Brenner, first of all, for submitting that question for us. Um but also like I want to touch on what you said. Like that was such it what you said, like makes so much sense because like I couldn't agree more because I mean we did this I was nine you were like twelve you were like thirteen, fourteen, right? Like we did this when we were all like so young that we like didn't even realize a like what it really was like what we were doing being away from family like especially for me like it didn't really hit like that I was away from family until like you had an opening night or you had the drama club you had prom you had soccer track meet state football games like wrestling matches like all these things.

It that it didn't start to hit until like you guys were in high school and then like like you said there was that time of questioning for me at least like why are we out here like why are we doing this and like why like what am I doing? Like why am I away from my family like just questioning everything and then there's just a day that like it all switches and you're like you understand like I don't know like I don't know if it's like I was too young if it didn't think about it if I I don't know what it was.

[39:50] Zach Tokash: No like no exactly but like and then as you're growing up like you're beginning to realize like oh wow like I yeah there's a lot to process. You have no idea what's going on like especially you were Michael Banks. I mean you were a nine year old playing Michael Banks. Yeah I mean like I didn't know even know like it was a career or anything. Like I didn't even know like I didn't even know I was making money like on Poppins. Yeah really like I didn't know anything. And then it like you said it wasn't until like Pippin where like I was backstage with my cast and they were like, Can't believe this eleven year old's on Broadway and blah blah blah, like I'm thirty and I'm making my Broadway debut, and like I still like didn't understand it, and then the curtain goes up and then you're like, Holy cow, like this is now I understand what they're talking about, and like I don't know, like a Broadway stage is much smaller than half the place that we went to on tour with Mary Poppins and A Christmas Story Madison Square Garden. Um but like you you I don't know, there's just a day that like it switches and you're like, Oh, I like understand what I'm doing and why I'm here.

[40:53] Tessie Tokash: No, I like I I honestly like I'll never forget it's my first time seeing you as like Michael Banks or anything, but I really like them uh what's something I will never forget is watching you the first time in Pippin. Like you weren't even acting, like you just looked genuinely happy not to say like you weren't in Mary Poppins, but like, you know, you could put on that prim and proper, like Michael Banks, but like Pippin, you were like so happy every time you looked at somebody, like it was just smiles and they were blinking at you, and you can just tell like you were just a genuine innocent, like eleven year old just having the time of his life up there balancing on a big like five foot ball.

[41:32] Zach Tokash: Yeah, and I just wanna like touch on the I don't know, it made me think about it when it was like your brother and uh dad gone and also like going to see your brother and these things and everything. Something that like has always blown my mind, and I understand that it's an aspect of people's life, but just like I remember in middle school, high school, just multiple times, and I remember the first time somebody came to me and was like, Like, how do you feel about your brother? Like, are you jealous? Like don't you wish you could be doing that thing, like doing those things and like going and whatever, and I was just like, that was just so never like that had never even crossed my mind because like I don't know, just like each of our lives had just always been like that's their thing and that's who they are, and if the opportunities and what comes out of it is them, and I'm so happy for them and whatever.

Like I've never I don't think any of us have ever been like, oh, screw you because you're doing this and I would rather be doing that and blah blah blah and all of that. It was just always like, holy crap, like I was just there for the ride, and I knew that what was gonna come from it and being up here, and I'm just so happy that all of it happened so that we can each now have different opportunities in different fields of work and do whatever we love and want to do, and yeah, that was never in my head of like, oh, screw Eli because he's do like he's performing in front of thousands of people nightly and all this stuff, and I was just like, who says that kind of thing? Like but it's an aspect that people have in their life and jealousy is very real, but I don't know, I would just never let anybody get you down type of thing.

[43:11] Tessie Tokash: Well, I mean the people were probably asking that the ones that are honestly people I I something interesting that like when I was making my senior capstone was like I remember people either talking about you and asking those types of questions, like I I would never like I agree with everything you just said, I would never feel that way. I feel like they were the ones that felt that way because they were too nervous to be like, Oh, I like theater. Oh, I wanna do that. Uh, because like it's so like rare to find that. Like, you no one admits that they like theater and want to go see a Broadway show because that's looked at as like, are you a weirdo or something?

[43:49] Zach Tokash: People do admit that people in West Virginia don't show you.

[43:52] Tessie Tokash: Sorry, sorry. Yeah, sorry. I need to be more specific on that.

[43:55] Zach Tokash: Right.

[43:56] Tessie Tokash: And yeah, I mean, that just goes with the uneducatedness and uncultured of theater and art and everything.

[44:04] Zach Tokash: Yeah. Underexposure for sure.

[44:06] Tessie Tokash: Um, so let's talk about now that that we're all that we all became like a little older and we're kinda into this, um, you know, you we're into this career more and everything. We kinda got a handle on things. And now uh you guys are like old enough to like start helping out in like with my career and like not like not as just like being no no no, no, not minions. No, no, that's not what I mean. I didn't even want to do this.

[44:41] Zach Tokash: Yeah.

[44:41] Tessie Tokash: We're getting working on the case. First of all, first of all. No, no, no. Um, so yeah, but you guys are all like you guys are all helping me out in like your you guys are the reasons that like we're able to do this take about the the auditions that we do, especially in this virtual world that we're living in. Zach and Tessie have both been on set with me. I wouldn't have been able to take some TV jobs because my parents weren't available, so one of them had to like come on to that. So Tessie, we'll turn it to you um first on like doing like auditions and self-tapes and like what you do with Take A Bow and editing, yeah.

[45:20] Tessie Tokash: Like and then Zach, you can talk about like the onset excursions of sidelines with your pom poms.

[45:29] Zach Tokash: Well, usually when he comes to set, it's to like the mo the TV shows and like the movies that he like really wants to meet the people at I It's been eight, nine years and I can't still can't stay calm and not fangirl when I see famous people that I've adored for years, but sorry.

[45:45] Tessie Tokash: There's nothing wrong with that. The only time I cry I don't never forget is Reed Carney.

[45:50] Zach Tokash: Oh my god.

[45:51] Tessie Tokash: Okay, so T you go first.

[45:53] Zach Tokash: Self tapes.

[45:55] Tessie Tokash: Just like how like that's really broad.

[45:58] Zach Tokash: Yeah yeah yeah.

[45:59] Tessie Tokash: But like what the like how it's helped you in your field as far as like watching me do it and like you kinda like direct me and it's helped you in that way.

[46:10] Tessie Tokash: It's helped you with editing and it's uh made you learn things and then you realize that you like it maybe want to do a career in that and all that.

[46:17] Tessie Tokash: Well yeah I mean uh my number one passion is video and film and the reason I got into that was because I would just document when we were back in West Virginia, I would document moments or memories and it's like encapsulating those in freezing time and grabbing them and storing them somewhere. Um because the moments we experienced on tour um or that they experienced on tour and when they would come to Pittsburgh or come back home and everything like I would capture those moments with either my camera or I don't know if you guys remember a flip camera because that's all I use. The OG The OG a lot of the times I'd be like guys remember this moment and I would verbally say and they'd be like, no that never happened what we talk about.

And I would bring it up on a camera and I would show them this little video that I made that we'd be in tears and be like oh my god I can't believe I forgot about that. So that's why I my my number one passion is documentary filmmaking because it brings those raw moments out again, and you talk about your memories and you talk about you know so that and editing is like magic to me. And you ha have helped me open doors, like you said, in directing 'cause your self tapes, there's like scenes, and oh my god, you need to read the uh stage stage directions because that helps formulate the scene.

[47:40] Tessie Tokash: Yes, anyone who's auditioning read the stage of direction. Read the stage directions a thousand times. They will help them. They will because when he wasn't reading the stage directions, it was I mean, yes, you're a talented bean and everything, like thank you for being talented, and you know, you know how to say your lines, but just the stage directions and you know the furrowed brow, and you're supposed to be questioning something, like he's confused, like that makes it ten times like after taking my I I went to Marymount Manhattan College. I um I majored in uh film and media studies, and stage directions matter, definitely they're there for a reason. They're there for a reason. Not for you to glance over.

[48:20] Zach Tokash: Right.

[48:20] Tessie Tokash: Somebody is literally like taking these details and putting them in there for a reason. Um but yeah, you've helped me in that manner of directing because before I would help you with stealth tapes or anything like that, I like to really just sit in the background and be like, you tell me what to do, you tell me how you want this, and I will put it together for you, and I will edit. Um, give me a little bit of creative space. That's also important too, is give um your editor.

[48:50] Tessie Tokash: A lot of people don't talk about editing, which is crazy to me. A lot of people don't enjoy it, um, the way I do, but give your editor and give your team like that creative space because if you have your idea and they have their own idea and you like combine that, it just makes your project ten times better.

[49:07] Zach Tokash: Um, so yeah, you've opened a lot of doors in the direct pre-production, especially pre-production realm, um, that have helped me in my internship where I have been offered to help script a show uh for one of the shows on travel channels. And I mean, not so much like me like helping you, but it's more of just like being in this environment and doing it.

[49:28] Tessie Tokash: Yeah, exactly.

[49:28] Zach Tokash: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Just like a long like throughout the process of like seeing that there's even because you I you come to Broadway and I don't even realize what Broadway is, let alone that there's 10, 20 different avenues behind Broadway and how Broadway runs and the process and the process, and just like I mean, there's so many avenues that you can go down with that, and that's definitely opened my eyes and made me like, oh, like I knew that I didn't want to be Eli acting doing that type of thing, but I wanted to be a part of it in some way, and that's definitely opened my eyes to like, oh, maybe I do want to go into talent management, talent agency type work, or even casting part of it.

[50:12] Tessie Tokash: I know you were talking about that yesterday and everything. Um you've also noticed how like pivotal social media is and and yeah, and along the way, like it's definitely helped me in like seeing like the social media side of it, and I've done different internships since I've been at college and with different companies and trying to grow their social media brand and everything and the and marketing, and it's so there's so many, like I said, so many different avenues that you could go and explore that you never even dreamed were real until this happened.

[50:43] Zach Tokash: Yeah, and it's similar to like my experience in like oh, I've always loved seeing Tessie on stage and like loved that live music and everything per a uh aspect of performing and everything, and so that kinda inspired me, and then I feel like kind of since this has like taken off we've now been in an environment of oh you see how important that those roles are in casting and in social media and in directing and in editing that we're like we really get to see the impact that it has you know being closer to it and I think that you've always loved movies and you've loved books and you love all kinds of entertainment including social media.

[51:26] Tessie Tokash: And so like see being in this environment and whatnot and even in especially in New York um it's kind of opened all of our eyes to all kinds of opportunities that we're now pursuing.

[51:37] Zach Tokash: Yeah and it definitely like with you being the like I don't want to say the face but like you being the face like 'cause that's like the actor the the person in front of the camera whether or show or whatever Broadway, you now being like the editing behind the scenes all of that work it was kind of like okay what can I bring to the table? What can I learn differently and what can to make this kind of like work smoother or work better that we could like work as a team and try to do type of thing to I don't know then take it to a next place of whatever that may be and just under sir understand the not the aspects that you don't that you two don't understand like I don't know what you two do and it's not like what we are are pursuing.

[52:23] Tessie Tokash: Like we have our our uh goals and plan like to-do list on other things you know like we're not worried about that.

[52:31] Zach Tokash: Bubble that we're in. But one thing I want to say, like I think it's super interesting. Like we're a rare kind of sibling pack that everybody that I've met, it's either actor, actor, actor, production, production, production. Like we are completely different, interested in like different things, which is so cool to me.

[52:49] Tessie Tokash: Like you are, yeah, I mean, I I'd say like you're the face. You're the, you know, promotion side.

[52:55] Zach Tokash: And I'm like, the communication figuring it, yeah.

[52:59] Tessie Tokash: Yeah, figuring out every basically like pre-production and just f distribution. Um like yeah, I like to put the puzzle pieces at the end together and do that editing kind of space. I think it's I've always been very infatuated by that.

[53:18] Zach Tokash: Yeah, and I think too, like now with this take about journey that we're embarking on through uh the quarantine and everything, it's allowed it's allowed us to really like see that come to tuition in me being like the voice or the quote unquote face or whatever, and then you being the editor and like the director and kind of all that kind of thing, producer, whatever, and then you with the social media and uh advert yeah, having a plan.

[53:49] Tessie Tokash: You like brought all of the you know, emails and advertising and like all those ideas to the table and like the big picture and everything like that. Like, so it's really been cool to see how each of their fields work kind of closer up, I guess, because otherwise, like we just go on and do our own things in our room, you know, like and figure it out on our own.

[54:12] Zach Tokash: Yeah, 'cause it's like a little company, not this like like not that it's a company, but like it's like a little yeah thing that you gotta keep going.

[54:19] Tessie Tokash: No, but I think it is important to have a team and like uh just anyone listening to anybody, everyone has ideas that everyone has ideas that you can use, really.

[54:31] Zach Tokash: And yeah, sorry, the person that like knows absolutely nothing could one day come up with an idea that you never even thought of just because it's a completely different set of eyes on it and different mind thinking about it. So take not take advice, but I like to take things from everybody and see I tell them all the time, throw a hundred things at the wall until one thing sticks, and 'cause you never know what that one thing's gonna be, and it might be the last thing you thought was gonna stick, but yeah, I mean like mom's a occupational therapist and she came up with take a vow. Like no one we went through thousands of names and like the one who like knows nothing about theater was the one who like kinda tied it all together.

[55:14] Tessie Tokash: You know, and then same with dad with all the ideas that he's brought on and he's like doesn't know half the people that we've had on the show.

[55:21] Zach Tokash: Yeah, wanting merch and yeah, and then doing the merch idea and all of these things, like it's just like it's bit it's really taken everyone to literally listen to everyone and if there really isn't a bad idea and it's something that you can always revisit if the time isn't right.

[55:38] Tessie Tokash: Yeah, and that's not saying run with anything anybody says to you, but like No, but you have to listen and you have to adapt to change.

[55:45] Zach Tokash: Yeah, like you have to take it and be open.

[55:47] Tessie Tokash: Yeah, exactly. Have an open mind in anything that you do in any field, in any um business that you're starting, like whatever.

[55:56] Zach Tokash: Just real quick. Real big shout out to PJ and J and Kokash.

[56:01] Tessie Tokash: Yeah. Thank you for everything. Without them.

[56:04] Zach Tokash: We would not be here, we would not be here literally. And also, like, for just what they've done for the past nine, eight, nine years, and just the sacrifices and just continuing to push us.

[56:17] Tessie Tokash: Like I say that you two had the final decision, but at the end of the day, it was really the two of them who like was like, are we really gonna split up? Are we really gonna give up our jobs and our lives and everything?

[56:28] Zach Tokash: Like, yeah, and they've done it all for us and and for me and to really pursue it all. And I think that fortunately it's worked out for all of us in return.

[56:40] Tessie Tokash: So done a hell of a job.

[56:42] Zach Tokash: Yeah. We should do this again one time.

[56:44] Tessie Tokash: Yeah. So that's where we'll leave it.

[56:47] Zach Tokash: Uh for this episode. That's episode 58 of Take A Bow and uh Crystal Tang.

[56:53] Tessie Tokash: Yeah, Chris Latang. It was a perfect one to uh it was a perfect one to do uh a perfect number to do this episode on, and that's it. First live interview is in the books of Take A Val.

[57:06] Zach Tokash: I think it was summed up the whole interview though, like episode 58 of Take A Bow hockey.

[57:11] Tessie Tokash: Yeah, that summed that sums up everything right here.

[57:14] Zach Tokash: Yeah, that's it. Thank you guys.

[57:16] Tessie Tokash: Thank you, PJ and Jen.

[57:18] Zach Tokash: Uh thank you to our entire family.

[57:20] Tessie Tokash: Uh Baba Jaju, Mimi Baba, literally everyone.

[57:23] Zach Tokash: Um Blue Grummet.

[57:26] Tessie Tokash: Um and uh yeah, we'll see you all next week.

[57:29] Zach Tokash: John Cannon.

[57:30] Tessie Tokash: John Canning, of course.

[57:31] Zach Tokash: John Canning's a huge, huge uh factor in why we're still here and doing what we love and always supporting us in the podcast and everything.

[57:41] Tessie Tokash: Yeah, we've met so many amazing people along the way.

[57:44] Zach Tokash: Yeah, absolutely. We've been really fortunate.

[57:47] Tessie Tokash: Alright. Thanks, everyone.

[57:49] Zach Tokash: I don't know. Take a bow, Tokash family.

[57:52] Tessie Tokash: Well, folks, there you have it. Episode 58, long overdue with my siblings talking all things about really Elizabeth's entertainment experience.

[58:01] Zach Tokash: So we won't do that segment tip this week.

[58:04] Tessie Tokash: Um we'll bring it back uh another week sometime soon because I know we haven't had it in a minute.

[58:10] Zach Tokash: So uh that wraps it up for this week's episode.

[58:13] Tessie Tokash: Thank you all for tuning in.

[58:15] Zach Tokash: I do want to mention before we wrap it up, um Tally Sessions, who is a Broadway star, he's gonna be in the uh revival of company that is opening, yes, with Christopher Sieber and uh everything that we were talking about there.

[58:31] Tessie Tokash: He's in that company.

[58:33] Zach Tokash: Um yes, he's in that cast of company.

[58:36] Tessie Tokash: Well, company as well.

[58:38] Zach Tokash: So um he's going to be in company and he's been in a bunch of other Broadway shows and his mother just recently passed away from cancer, and he's set up a GoFundMe page to help uh support his family in paying off the medical bills as well as her house and keeping it and a bunch of other things.

[59:02] Tessie Tokash: So if you do have time and if you are able to, please go check that out and go donate to his GoFundMe.

[59:10] Zach Tokash: I will leave the link in this podcast description of the episode.

[59:14] Tessie Tokash: So if you're on Apple Podcasts, if you're s uh listening on Spotify, whatever, um, and you see the if where you go to listen to the podcast, uh, if you say like read more or details or something like that, you can see the link in that, or you can go visit Tally Sessions' Instagram, and uh hopefully we'll have him on soon and he can talk about all of this because he was also a very big supporter in the Nick Cordero uh fight for his life.

[59:43] Zach Tokash: So Tally is an amazing man, an amazing gift of of Broadway, and um if you are able to help, please consider doing so because every little bit goes a long way, and I know that he would be so so thankful.

[59:59] Tessie Tokash: So go check that out, and uh I hope to see you all next week.

[1:00:02] Zach Tokash: Bye everyone.

[1:00:04] Tessie Tokash: For this episode's current call, I would like to recognize a few people who also deserve to take a bow.

[1:00:09] Zach Tokash: This podcast would not be possible without the help from Dory Berenstein, Brittany Bigelow, Katie Rosen, Alan Seals, and the team at the Broadway Podcast Network.

[1:00:17] Tessie Tokash: Next in line to Take the Bow is Tessie Tokash, who edits the audio and all the visuals for this podcast.

[1:00:23] Zach Tokash: A special thanks to patrons Brian Thompson, Pat McNamara, the listeners at PCC, as well as all of the other patrons for their continued support.

[1:00:31] Tessie Tokash: If you're interested in becoming a patron, go to patreon.com slash TAB.

[1:00:37] Zach Tokash: And if you enjoyed this week's episode, don't forget to subscribe on the platform that you're currently listening to this on.

[1:00:43] Tessie Tokash: Also, feel free to give us a follow on Instagram at TakeA Bow Podcast.

[1:00:47] Zach Tokash: Take a bow's logo is designed by Giselle Bustos, and the music is by Nikki Torsha and Cormac Collinon.

[1:00:54] Tessie Tokash: Bye everyone.

[1:00:55] Zach Tokash: Hope to see you next week.