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[0:10] Jesse McInally: Hello, I'm Jesse McInally.

[0:12] Andrew DeWolf: And I'm Andrew DeWolf.

[0:14] Brandon Jones: And I'm Brandon Jones.

[0:15] Jesse McInally: And welcome to Musicals with Cheese, the podcast where I try to get Andrew and Bree to like musical theater.

[0:19] Jesse McInally: And you guys, I've got a bit of a pickle going on here.

[0:22] Andrew DeWolf: Oh no.

[0:23] Brandon Jones: What pickle have you gotten yourself into, Jess?

[0:25] Jesse McInally: Yeah, you see, I'm actually from the year, uh, 2045.

[0:31] Andrew DeWolf: Or what is it?

[0:32] Jesse McInally: 2042?

[0:33] Brandon Jones: 2052.

[0:34] Jesse McInally: 2052 is the year I'm from.

[0:36] Jesse McInally: And I'm back in time.

[0:38] Jesse McInally: And I have been for a while.

[0:40] Jesse McInally: And I think my mom has the hots for me.

[0:43] Andrew DeWolf: And I don't know what to do.

[0:45] Brandon Jones: Well, is she hot?

[0:46] Jesse McInally: I don't know.

[0:48] Jesse McInally: I don't know how to answer that.

[0:50] Andrew DeWolf: Well, I mean if she's hot, but how hot is she, bro?

[0:55] Jesse McInally: I mean, Andrew, would you fuck your mother if you were the same age as her and she was hot?

[1:01] Andrew DeWolf: Well, legally, I'm required to say no.

[1:08] Jesse McInally: That's the dilemma.

[1:09] Andrew DeWolf: Back to the future.

[1:10] Jesse McInally: Would you fuck your mom if she was like really hot though?

[1:14] Jesse McInally: Like sh what if she was like a 10?

[1:17] Brandon Jones: Bree, would you fuck your mom if she was like really hot and you were the same age?

[1:22] Brandon Jones: Hmm.

[1:24] Brandon Jones: Bruh.

[1:26] Jesse McInally: This week we're talking about Back to the Future the Musical.

[1:29] Jesse McInally: Cue the music, Bree.

[1:30] Andrew DeWolf: I think BPN might actually cancel us.

[1:42] Jesse McInally: The power of love is a curious thing.

[1:47] Jesse McInally: Make a one man weep.

[1:51] Jesse McInally: Change a hawk to a little white dove.

[1:55] Jesse McInally: Mom and a feeling.

[1:57] Jesse McInally: Yes and power.

[2:02] Jesse McInally: Hey, I didn't write Back to the Future.

[2:05] Jesse McInally: That's the plot of this movie.

[2:07] Andrew DeWolf: Doesn't a stand-up comedian have like a whole bit about Back to the Future?

[2:10] Jesse McInally: Yeah, John Mulaney, everyone's favorite.

[2:13] Andrew DeWolf: Not so much anymore since he cheated on his wife.

[2:15] Jesse McInally: Not only cheated on his wife, cheated on her so bad he impregnated another woman.

[2:20] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[2:21] Jesse McInally: But Back to the Future is a musical with a book by Bob Gale and music and lyrics by Alan Silvestri and Glenn Ballard.

[2:28] Jesse McInally: Glenn Ballard is a name for the co-writer of many, many songs, including "Believe" from The Polar Express and most of Jagged Little Pill, the original album.

[2:38] Jesse McInally: Um, it is based on Back to the Future by Bob Gale and Robert Zemeckis.

[2:41] Jesse McInally: The plot is about when Marty McFly finds himself transported back to 1955 in a time machine built by the eccentric scientist Doc Brown.

[2:50] Jesse McInally: He accidentally changes the course of history.

[2:52] Jesse McInally: Now he's in a race against time to fix the present, escape the past, and send himself, dot dot dot, back to the future.

[3:00] Jesse McInally: So this is a West End musical, in case you couldn't tell.

[3:00] Jesse McInally: Um, could you tell us about Back to the Future, Andrew?

[3:06] Andrew DeWolf: Back to the Future, the movie, or Back to the Future, the Musical?

[3:10] Andrew DeWolf: Let's just start with the movie.

[3:11] Andrew DeWolf: Do you like the movie?

[3:12] Andrew DeWolf: I think the movie's pretty good.

[3:13] Andrew DeWolf: I don't have like any real attachment to it.

[3:16] Andrew DeWolf: I think it's generally just a fine movie.

[3:20] Andrew DeWolf: Um, it's had a lot of cultural influence.

[3:22] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, we have like Rick and Morty now, yeah, because of it.

[3:26] Andrew DeWolf: That's a direct one-to-one to Back to the Future, that is.

[3:28] Andrew DeWolf: We also have, you know, three Back to the Futures, uh, all of which are pretty decent.

[3:34] Andrew DeWolf: Not just three Back to the Futures, a ride, an animated series.

[3:38] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[3:38] Andrew DeWolf: We have a video game to that.

[3:40] Andrew DeWolf: We got a lot of stuff.

[3:42] Andrew DeWolf: They're just like multiple video games, but yeah.

[3:44] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and now we have a musical.

[3:46] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[3:47] Andrew DeWolf: And we didn't really need to.

[3:50] Andrew DeWolf: In theory, Back to the Future would be a great musical.

[3:53] Andrew DeWolf: Like the idea alone had me intrigued in a way where I'm like, that could work.

[3:58] Andrew DeWolf: In the same way that Beetlejuice could work.

[4:00] Jesse McInally: I kind of thought that myself, but I feel like something went horribly wrong.

[4:05] Andrew DeWolf: And their names are Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale, who are very involved in this project.

[4:11] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and in fact, an entire director and creative team left the project because Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale did not see eye to eye.

[4:19] Andrew DeWolf: And what eye to eye meant was make my movie, but on stage with songs, change nothing.

[4:25] Jesse McInally: Oh, yeah, we can cut the Libyan terrorists, though.

[4:29] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, they did cut that.

[4:30] Andrew DeWolf: I honestly I don't even fully understand why, but I guess you couldn't get a lot of things.

[4:33] Jesse McInally: You know what? You gotta crank up the mom incest like 15%.

[4:38] Andrew DeWolf: Well, that's everyone's favorite part.

[4:41] Jesse McInally: That's the one part everyone seems to latch on to nowadays.

[4:44] Andrew DeWolf: Um, to be honest, that was always my least favorite part.

[4:47] Andrew DeWolf: I wanted to see more of like Doc Brown and like the time machine, which is why I actually have kind of always liked the second one better.

[4:55] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, the first one I don't think it's a better movie.

[4:58] Andrew DeWolf: I just kind of like it better.

[5:00] Andrew DeWolf: I hear stories about the premiere of the original Back to the Future, where no one knows what it is except for the title.

[5:06] Andrew DeWolf: And if you go into this movie completely blind, knowing absolutely nothing about it, for like the first 25 minutes, you have no idea what's going on in this movie.

[5:15] Andrew DeWolf: You cannot judge where the plot is going.

[5:17] Andrew DeWolf: You just got all this setup.

[5:18] Andrew DeWolf: You see this dog you think dies, and then it comes back and it's time travel.

[5:22] Andrew DeWolf: Um, but the moment when Marty sees his dad at the diner and he's young, the audience just starts like gasping as if they all suddenly realize, oh, this is the movie I'm at.

[5:32] Andrew DeWolf: So that is like the thematic tie that really is the most important thing is would your parents be friends with you if you were their same age?

[5:38] Andrew DeWolf: Which is an interesting conceit and a perfect time travel idea.

[5:42] Andrew DeWolf: And the answer is you're not allowed to because it would break the time continuum.

[5:42] Jesse McInally: Not allowed to because your mom will want to fuck you.

[5:50] Andrew DeWolf: Which of course is logically what would happen.

[5:53] Jesse McInally: No, no, no, no.

[5:55] Jesse McInally: I love that none of them recognize him.

[5:58] Jesse McInally: Like they all meet him and then they don't realize like years later, like, wait, my kid looks exactly like that kid that I saw a long time ago and never saw again.

[6:08] Andrew DeWolf: I'm willing to like him for like three days, right?

[6:14] Andrew DeWolf: At most.

[6:15] Andrew DeWolf: Three days leaves a bit of an impression.

[6:17] Andrew DeWolf: And I mean he was a good one.

[6:19] Andrew DeWolf: We haven't even been in life for 30 years, let alone had 30 years passing between seeing them in their final form and when I first met them.

[6:27] Jesse McInally: Yeah, but it's like he didn't even try to blend in.

[6:29] Jesse McInally: He was dressed weird, like he there was some memorable features.

[6:33] Jesse McInally: He went and played some future music that didn't exist before.

[6:38] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know.

[6:39] Andrew DeWolf: You know, the thing that I think would have been a big connect the dots moment for Lorraine, the mother, is the Calvin Klein underwear and then Calvin Klein rising to like popularity.

[6:51] Andrew DeWolf: Like maybe that was what happened to him.

[6:53] Andrew DeWolf: He became an underwear salesman.

[6:55] Jesse McInally: Ah, yeah, yeah.

[6:56] Jesse McInally: Um, what were we talking about?

[6:58] Andrew DeWolf: We're still talking about the movie, aren't we?

[6:59] Jesse McInally: Yeah, we haven't even moved on to the musical.

[7:02] Andrew DeWolf: Oh boy.

[7:03] Andrew DeWolf: Um, well, geez, how do you move on to the musical?

[7:06] Andrew DeWolf: Um, yeah, you can turn it into a musical, what would you do?

[7:09] Jesse McInally: How about that?

[7:09] Jesse McInally: I think I'd have to Beetlejuice it.

[7:11] Jesse McInally: I think Back to the Future would be much more interesting if we just updated it.

[7:15] Jesse McInally: Like, I don't want a proper remake, but if you're gonna bring it to the stage, might as well bring it from 2022 to 1992.

[7:24] Jesse McInally: That would be the difference nowadays.

[7:25] Jesse McInally: You could change it up so it's like everyone knows like the brand that they're getting, but they get something different when they go to the theater.

[7:31] Jesse McInally: And I feel like a lot of the other creatives would have liked to embrace something like that.

[7:35] Andrew DeWolf: Um, there's also so much to play off of now.

[7:39] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[7:40] Andrew DeWolf: Because I mean, like, just and I mean it's not like super important, but Rick and Morty exists, you know?

[7:46] Andrew DeWolf: Like you have to kind of like acknowledge that a little bit.

[7:49] Andrew DeWolf: Like these people, like Doc Brown and Marty McFly have become cultural icons, you know?

[7:58] Andrew DeWolf: They've they're more than themselves.

[8:00] Andrew DeWolf: They are like Mickey Mouse.

[8:01] Andrew DeWolf: Like Mickey Mouse doesn't have personality anymore.

[8:03] Andrew DeWolf: They are and like just doing the movie again is like it's just it's just weird.

[8:09] Jesse McInally: It feels wrong.

[8:10] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[8:11] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and a lot of the things that hasn't aged so well about that movie, they somewhat just lean into.

[8:17] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[8:18] Andrew DeWolf: Um, like we've talked about a lot of movie to stage adaptations recently, Doubtfire, um, and Tootsie and Beetlejuice and all of those.

[8:28] Jesse McInally: Beetlejuice.

[8:29] Andrew DeWolf: Some of which we've liked, most of which we haven't.

[8:32] Andrew DeWolf: Beetlejuice is still one of the most effective because that is nowhere close to what the original movie was.

[8:38] Andrew DeWolf: That develops arcs.

[8:40] Andrew DeWolf: They kind of just change who the main character is in Beetlejuice.

[8:44] Andrew DeWolf: Just like entirely.

[8:45] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[8:45] Andrew DeWolf: From what I remember.

[8:46] Jesse McInally: Um, which, yeah, I feel like they're and the thing is, there was no reason you had to do the movie again.

[8:53] Andrew DeWolf: Everyone knows Back to the Future.

[8:54] Andrew DeWolf: What if we just did another time travel story with Doc Brown and Marty McFly in the DeLorean?

[9:00] Andrew DeWolf: And we do Back to the Future 4, baby.

[9:02] Andrew DeWolf: Let's do it.

[9:03] Jesse McInally: Kick it into gear.

[9:04] Andrew DeWolf: The thing is, there is no more story at Back to the Future, and I agree.

[9:08] Jesse McInally: I mean, you could say that, but they did a Wild West movie.

[9:11] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, come on.

[9:12] Andrew DeWolf: You can create more story.

[9:14] Jesse McInally: Have you watched the Back to the Future TV animated show?

[9:18] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I have not.

[9:19] Andrew DeWolf: Nothing has made it more clear to me that Back to the Future had ran out of ideas and nowhere left to go than watching that animated show.

[9:25] Andrew DeWolf: Where it's like, oh yeah, none of this, none of this would work again.

[9:28] Andrew DeWolf: There's nothing, there's nowhere for these characters left to develop.

[9:31] Jesse McInally: Yeah, but have you watched uh Rick and Morty?

[9:33] Andrew DeWolf: Rick and Morty is its own bread and butter at this point.

[9:38] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, it's not even good anymore, too.

[9:40] Jesse McInally: So yeah, yeah, yeah.

[9:41] Andrew DeWolf: Everything's gonna die.

[9:43] Andrew DeWolf: Anything you once liked is gonna become garbage or a terrible musical.

[9:46] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[9:46] Andrew DeWolf: Like Rick and Morty on ice.

[9:48] Jesse McInally: You want to know the worst case scenario for the Beetlejuice musical is if they brought Tim Burton back as a consultant and asked Danny Elfman to write the score.

[9:55] Andrew DeWolf: Because then we would have just had Beetlejuice again, but on stage.

[9:58] Jesse McInally: Bringing in some new people to have some new ideas and a new narrative flow was the best thing to make that into a brand new thing.

[10:06] Andrew DeWolf: And here we're just stuck with the same Alan Silvestri music, like just put with lyrics.

[10:12] Jesse McInally: It's like we've got into a time machine and traveled back to 1985 and we're just watching the same thing again.

[10:20] Andrew DeWolf: But that DeLorean effect is really cool.

[10:22] Jesse McInally: I'm not sure.

[10:24] Jesse McInally: Every one of the special effects really, really fucking helped.

[10:27] Andrew DeWolf: Can we let's just do some positives?

[10:29] Jesse McInally: Because I feel like we, this d it deserves they put effort into this in some way.

[10:33] Andrew DeWolf: So um the Marty McFly, like good impression, the actor doing it.

[10:39] Andrew DeWolf: He also makes it his own.

[10:40] Andrew DeWolf: It's not just an impression.

[10:42] Andrew DeWolf: Um, in a way that the Doc Brown, as played by Roger Bart, who is an actor I usually love in things, I do not think he does that good a job here.

[10:52] Jesse McInally: Yeah, I was gonna say one doesn't feel like Doc Brown to me, but also doesn't feel like he's doing something that's it's like a bad impersonation of Doc Brown, is what it feels like.

[11:03] Andrew DeWolf: Does that make sense?

[11:04] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[11:04] Jesse McInally: And the thing is, he's usually very good.

[11:06] Jesse McInally: Like, do you recognize him?

[11:07] Jesse McInally: He's from The Producers.

[11:08] Jesse McInally: He plays Carmen Ghia, uh, Roger Debris' assistant in those.

[11:13] Jesse McInally: He's also the voice of Hercules' singing voice in uh the Hercules movie.

[11:17] Jesse McInally: He's a very prolific Broadway actor.

[11:20] Jesse McInally: He's very, very talented.

[11:21] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[11:21] Andrew DeWolf: Just didn't do good.

[11:22] Andrew DeWolf: Right for Doc Brown.

[11:23] Jesse McInally: Looks the role, like put the wig on him, he works, but uh something about that magic, that Christopher Lloyd magic is gone.

[11:30] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[11:31] Andrew DeWolf: It's almost it's like a character that you have to kind of make your own as well, though.

[11:36] Andrew DeWolf: And I think it's because of all the characters in Back to the Future, Doc Brown is a Mickey Mouse.

[11:42] Andrew DeWolf: It's like everybody has their own impression of Doc Brown.

[11:46] Andrew DeWolf: Like you have to do something a little bit different.

[11:48] Jesse McInally: You can't just try to do Christopher Lloyd again.

[11:53] Brandon Jones: Bree, what is your history with Back to the Future, the movie and the thing all together?

[11:58] Brandon Jones: I've seen all three movies.

[12:00] Brandon Jones: I watched the first movie um probably a hundred times because it was my little brother's favorite movie when he was um a toddler.

[12:08] Brandon Jones: Uh I like them.

[12:10] Brandon Jones: I think they're good.

[12:10] Brandon Jones: They're entertaining and they remind me of my childhood.

[12:13] Brandon Jones: I guess.

[12:14] Jesse McInally: Should they be musicals though?

[12:15] Brandon Jones: Oh, absolutely not.

[12:18] Jesse McInally: So when when Doc Brown discovers that the time machine works, you do not imagine a bunch of go-go dancers coming out and dancing along with him as he screams it works a bunch.

[12:18] Brandon Jones: No.

[12:18] Brandon Jones: You do not imagine him having fantasies with a bunch of different Doc Browns in the Death Star looking at the future of the world.

[12:34] Andrew DeWolf: I did not.

[12:35] Jesse McInally: I did not.

[12:36] Andrew DeWolf: Um Biff.

[12:38] Jesse McInally: Does somebody play who plays Biff in the musical?

[12:42] Andrew DeWolf: No one that memorable.

[12:43] Jesse McInally: These are all very West End actors.

[12:45] Andrew DeWolf: Does he have it?

[12:46] Jesse McInally: Does Biff have his own song?

[12:48] Andrew DeWolf: He kinda does.

[12:50] Jesse McInally: Like a little bit.

[12:51] Andrew DeWolf: He's like in some other songs.

[12:53] Jesse McInally: Okay.

[12:53] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but he the thing is, Biff in the movie is possibly the most impressive feat.

[12:59] Jesse McInally: Um actually that's a lie. I think Lorraine, George, and Biff, those three are the most difficult roles to pull off in the entire movie.

[13:07] Andrew DeWolf: And the fact that those kids, because they were kids at the time, they were like 17, 18, pulled off playing 50-year-olds and then being younger versions of those 50-year-olds. That is the magic trick of Back to the Future.

[13:18] Jesse McInally: Because not for a minute do you quit like in that opening 25 minutes? You see them and you're like, oh, that's uh 18-year-old and a bunch of makeup. Never once. You're just like, oh, that is his parents.

[13:30] Andrew DeWolf: Um here that magic trick doesn't work as well on stage because you're in the back row.

[13:36] Jesse McInally: Yeah, it's kind of hard to like see. It's like, are these I don't even know if they're supposed to look different, you know? It's like they just kind of change costume and that's about it.

[13:45] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[13:45] Jesse McInally: Um, so with West End musicals, we've talked about this so much. Um, that they're all they're all style, no substance.

[13:55] Andrew DeWolf: Um fame is another famous one. Mamma Mia got its start in the West End. What other big West End ones?

[14:02] Jesse McInally: I know we do this all the time. I can't remember, but I I know what you're saying. Like Mina Maniri always suggests them. Jekyll and Hyde, Frank Wildhorn shit, it's always a big hit in the West Ewers.

[14:12] Andrew DeWolf: What was that? What was that? Uh Hasselhoff one.

[14:14] Jesse McInally: Oh yeah, DJ Save My Life.

[14:17] Andrew DeWolf: DJ Saved My Life.

[14:18] Jesse McInally: Yeah, that was an interesting one. Um West End. It's a different world than Broadway.

[14:23] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, as far as the style over substance um, like strategy goes, though, this one nails it.

[14:30] Jesse McInally: Yeah, that car effect. We keep talking. Let's actually talk about the effects. Like, we the car effect looks really good. Like, I don't know. I I'd be impressed if I saw that in theater.

[14:38] Andrew DeWolf: It looks like it's moving, like at 88 miles an hour. And like little things like it looks like it's raining. It looks like the car's moving despite it being still on a stage.

[14:49] Jesse McInally: Yeah, it's like, wow, how did they do that? And like the car looks it looks like they got the prop from the movie, you know?

[14:57] Andrew DeWolf: Like, that's what it looks like.

[14:58] Jesse McInally: Yeah. And to think that that show goes on without a hitch like eight times a week, and on Broadway we can't even put on company like once like a straight week through without them going 30 minutes for a break because something broke down.

[15:12] Andrew DeWolf: Just sometimes the chair falls over.

[15:14] Jesse McInally: Um But you know what I mean? Like this looks dangerous, like proper dangerous.

[15:22] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I yeah. I honestly am like when you look at it, it's like, damn, how'd they even do that? It's like, how does the car how do they get it to move around? Is that a working car on stage? Like, what the heck? You know, it's like it's impressive.

[15:36] Jesse McInally: Yeah, um, I the thing is it's hard to talk about what's wrong with the show because it is just the movie on stage, but everyone I think I have some things to say.

[15:45] Andrew DeWolf: Let's go.

[15:46] Jesse McInally: The music is boring. It's the score from the movie. Like, literally, they don't have an attributed song score music writer. It is Alan Silvestri who did the score to the movie, so they take instrumentals from the movie and turn it into songs and add lyrics.

[15:58] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, which is boring because, well, I mean, that's not how musicals work.

[16:03] Jesse McInally: No.

[16:05] Andrew DeWolf: Movie score has a very different purpose than like a song in a musical, you know?

[16:12] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[16:12] Andrew DeWolf: So even like a very well-written movie score is not going to make a good musical song because that's just not how that works.

[16:21] Jesse McInally: I will say the main theme, like, I've been humming like the actual lyrics. It's only a matter of time. That that kind of works.

[16:27] Andrew DeWolf: That's the only one.

[16:31] Jesse McInally: But that's just because the main theme is really good. Like, just so it doesn't really matter what form it's in. That's just a really good melody.

[16:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. Like the only songs that stuck out to me, and we're not really in our song section, are the ones in the 50s that are like 1950s pastiches, because at least they have a goal and a thematic idea that they're trying to implement.

[16:49] Jesse McInally: Yeah. It doesn't help that, and I know that this is because in Back to the Future they do this, but it kind of gets this jukebox musical feel in a certain point.

[16:58] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, they play Johnny Be Good, they play Power of Love, they play Earth Angel, Earth Angel, they play uh what's the other the other Huey Lewis one?

[17:08] Jesse McInally: Um Power of Love.

[17:09] Andrew DeWolf: No, the other Back in Time.

[17:11] Jesse McInally: Back in Time, yep. It's like they do all of these songs, and it's just like, am I watching an original musical, or am I listening to the Back to the Future like soundtrack that I bought on CD?

[17:22] Andrew DeWolf: The thing of Back to the Future, and it's also a good thing about this property. They when Bob Gale and Robert Zemeca signed their original contract to make the movie um with Universal and Spielberg. They had a clause in there that they could only agree on any future adventures with Back to the Future if everyone signed on to it.

[17:39] Jesse McInally: So Universal, despite owning it, cannot make anything Back to the Future related unless the creator signed off on it.

[17:46] Andrew DeWolf: Which is the reason why there hasn't been like a remake or a fourth one or a what is that reboot remake thing where it's like, oh, Doc Brown's gonna be in it for a scene, but it's basically its own story.

[17:57] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[17:57] Andrew DeWolf: You know, a Ghostbusters after life, which is.

[18:01] Jesse McInally: Yes.

[18:01] Andrew DeWolf: If that wasn't the case.

[18:04] Jesse McInally: But that also means they can't ever let another creative team come and put their fingers on it for better and for worse, which is what a stage musical really needs.

[18:13] Andrew DeWolf: Well, yeah. I we've been repeating ourselves, and I feel like we have nothing more to say. The problem with this is that they didn't change fucking anything.

[18:20] Jesse McInally: It's just the movie again.

[18:21] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, like I do wanna say.

[18:24] Jesse McInally: And the movie's better.

[18:25] Andrew DeWolf: Like that's that's really like they do ramp up one thing, which is the incest stuff. They really crank that up.

[18:32] Jesse McInally: Okay, there's like two major changes, which I think we could talk maybe briefly about both of them. Talk about the plutonium one first.

[18:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, the plutonium one in the movie, uh, Doc Brown gets the plutonium that he needs for his time machine from do they call them terrorists? They're like Libyan terrorists is what they do.

[18:51] Jesse McInally: Libyan terrorists is what they call them.

[18:53] Andrew DeWolf: And then the terrorists show up and kill him because he didn't pay them. He gave them he promised to build them a bomb, and what he gave them was spare pinball machine parts, which I don't know why I find that funny.

[19:03] Jesse McInally: Yeah, it kind of ties into to our Tommy episode a little bit. Um yeah, but I feel like that's actually like a really funny gag.

[19:12] Andrew DeWolf: And for whatever reason, they just decide that instead he just dies from radiation poisoning.

[19:17] Jesse McInally: There is some a lot Islamophobia with um Libyan terrorists coming in, I will admit.

[19:22] Andrew DeWolf: Um, but why couldn't you have just made a Russian terrorist or something like that?

[19:26] Jesse McInally: Or just undefined great play.

[19:33] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, just I I sold these guys. I said they built I'd build them something, and it's it doesn't have to be racially anything.

[19:41] Jesse McInally: Yeah, which is weird it's racially something in the movie.

[19:44] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, even in the movie, like I get that that is how you'd interpret it nowadays, and I I mean that's bad, but I don't think that that's what they were going for necessarily. Maybe it was, I don't know.

[19:54] Jesse McInally: But I don't understand that change fully. Like it kind of It removes the agency and like the really kind of like high kick into gear moment that that is.

[20:03] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it's just like Doc Brown is just a dummy and I got radiation poisoning, and Marty's like, oh, I'm gonna go go go go drive fast to the hospital.

[20:11] Jesse McInally: He's like, don't go 88, and then he goes 88.

[20:14] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it's like Marty is running away from people with guns, like in the movie.

[20:19] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[20:19] Andrew DeWolf: Like it makes sense that he would go 88.

[20:22] Jesse McInally: Yeah, it's just like he just goes 88 because he's going to the hospital really fast.

[20:27] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[20:27] Jesse McInally: Why didn't he put Doc Brown in the car? Another weird change, um, which I don't understand the practicality, but they make the car voice activated.

[20:37] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it's for gags, I think.

[20:39] Jesse McInally: And also because they can't show the inside of the car to like show what it looks like.

[20:45] Andrew DeWolf: Didn't like it.

[20:45] Jesse McInally: It really, really bothered me.

[20:47] Andrew DeWolf: And it's just it's funny.

[20:49] Jesse McInally: It wasn't funny.

[20:49] Andrew DeWolf: The main thing about it was it wasn't funny at all. If it got any laughs, maybe, but instead they just did like a sassy Amazon Alexa, um, but in in the DeLorean.

[20:59] Jesse McInally: Imagine if the DeLorean was Amazon Alexa and sassy.

[21:03] Andrew DeWolf: I hated it. I really, really fucking hated it.

[21:06] Jesse McInally: Um, but your favorite change by far has to be that they leaned in really hard on fucking your mom.

[21:16] Andrew DeWolf: It made me uncomfortable a lot.

[21:19] Jesse McInally: No, that's like okay. Can you describe how they leaned in like more than Okay?

[21:24] Andrew DeWolf: So the iconic scene where he wakes up, he thinks it's his mom, but it's his young mom, and then she's like super like horny for him because she he's taking the role of his father.

[21:33] Jesse McInally: Um and it's just kind of like in subtle looks and quick moving away and like him just trying to get out of the room. They turn it into a number where she's trying to get him to uncover his his un underpants ass, and she's like bending over and shoving her head into his dick area, and I'm like, that's your mom who choreographed this.

[21:55] Andrew DeWolf: And like she's like stepping on the blankets so that he will let go and show like him naked and all that. It's really uncomfortable.

[22:04] Jesse McInally: It's really, really unpleasant. She really wants to see him.

[22:09] Andrew DeWolf: And yeah, it's pretty uncomfortable.

[22:11] Jesse McInally: Yeah, and the thing is that was something I was expecting them to tone down, you know, because it's kind of fucked up. But no.

[22:19] Andrew DeWolf: I mean it's also a little bit like sexual harass-y, like, right?

[22:23] Jesse McInally: Consent, yeah. It's very blurring that line of consent.

[22:27] Andrew DeWolf: Um we're really getting transported back to the 50s.

[22:30] Jesse McInally: And God damn it, Andrew.

[22:36] Andrew DeWolf: Um fuck. You you done made me lost my train of thought.

[22:39] Jesse McInally: Um then, of course, you liked it, right?

[22:42] Andrew DeWolf: No.

[22:42] Jesse McInally: Like you No?

[22:44] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[22:44] Jesse McInally: No, dude.

[22:45] Andrew DeWolf: That's fine.

[22:46] Jesse McInally: I didn't like it either.

[22:49] Andrew DeWolf: And you didn't like you because you didn't know what to do with the bona for the rest of the show.

[22:54] Jesse McInally: Damn, how am I gonna get to the end of act two like this?

[22:59] Andrew DeWolf: Um, but they lean into it even more during and the car scene where Marty is supposed to sexually assault his own mother.

[23:07] Jesse McInally: Remember that plot point from the movie? A very important plot point. You really couldn't cut that.

[23:13] Andrew DeWolf: Um I kinda like the staging where they have like their shadows and they that's the what's really big.

[23:19] Jesse McInally: I just kept thinking the whole time that scene was happening. I kept thinking about the uh always sunny thing where they're like, yeah, the uh I don't know if I should say it, but the rape scene went really well.

[23:35] Andrew DeWolf: Very tasteful.

[23:37] Jesse McInally: But the kiss, like the mom-son kiss is like really held out, but it feels like they're doing it for audience laughter.

[23:44] Andrew DeWolf: But for me, I'm like, you're really holding on to this kiss with your son a long time.

[23:48] Jesse McInally: I didn't like it. It made me uncomfortable in not a fun way.

[23:52] Andrew DeWolf: Like the movie toes that line very well for the 80s. It may seem a little bit too much today. This feels like it's like kids are into the incest.

[24:01] Jesse McInally: We're gonna talk It's a British thing, okay? They have the monarchy over there, they love incest.

[24:06] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, you're right! It all makes sense.

[24:08] Jesse McInally: In fact, let's hear what some British critics said about um back the future of the musical and see how much they love the incest.

[24:15] Andrew DeWolf: It's time for our favorite segment of the show.

[24:18] Jesse McInally: It's time for previews.

[24:21] Andrew DeWolf: It's time for previews.

[24:25] Jesse McInally: It's time for previews.

[24:28] Andrew DeWolf: Ian Sandwell in their review for Digital Spy wrote that we'd understand if there was some fan skepticism about making Back to the Future into a musical.

[24:41] Jesse McInally: However, the movie's creator Bob Gale and Robert Zemekas both on board. This isn't some cash-in job, and has and has clearly been crafted with love for the original and with plenty of treats for fans.

[24:58] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, the treat is you get to watch the whole movie, but on stage.

[25:01] Jesse McInally: For some people, the fact that a musical doesn't have a stone cold banger or several earworms might be a fatal flaw.

[25:11] Andrew DeWolf: However, Back to the Future, the musical, absolutely delivers on other aspects to make it.

[25:18] Jesse McInally: Damn, can you backhand the compliment any further?

[25:22] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, there's no good songs.

[25:24] Jesse McInally: No good songs, but it really delivers on other aspects.

[25:28] Andrew DeWolf: The mom kisses the sun so much.

[25:33] Jesse McInally: Okay.

[25:34] Andrew DeWolf: You guys want to hear how it makes up for it?

[25:36] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[25:37] Andrew DeWolf: With 300 million LED pixels and 1.5 kilometers of pixel tape around the auditorium.

[25:48] Jesse McInally: This isn't a subtle show in any way.

[25:52] Andrew DeWolf: It's a large-scale entertainment, whether it's the dance numbers or the DeLorean itself, which gets an incredible.

[26:01] Jesse McInally: How the hell did they get?

[26:02] Andrew DeWolf: How did the how the hell did they do that?

[26:05] Jesse McInally: Oh god, this is French.

[26:06] Andrew DeWolf: Coupe de theatre.

[26:07] Jesse McInally: Coupe de theatre in the second act.

[26:10] Andrew DeWolf: I will say it is pretty cool to watch the DeLorean look like it's moving, but not be moving.

[26:15] Jesse McInally: But I clapped.

[26:16] Andrew DeWolf: I clapped because I recognized it.

[26:18] Jesse McInally: It's the movie, it's the scene of the movie, but in real life.

[26:22] Andrew DeWolf: So while you might not get the next defying gravity or one day more, you'll be entertained by the innovative stagecraft.

[26:32] Jesse McInally: So you go to the musical, you might not get any good songs, but like it'll feel like you're at a universal attraction.

[26:39] Andrew DeWolf: Why not just watch the fucking movie?

[26:46] Jesse McInally: Okay, I think you guys are vibing with this review, so I'm gonna move to the next one.

[26:51] Andrew DeWolf: No, alright, alright.

[26:52] Jesse McInally: Are you sure this wasn't a paid advertisement?

[26:54] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, wait, hold on.

[26:56] Jesse McInally: I'll read the last line.

[26:57] Andrew DeWolf: Coupled with all the Back to the Future heart and humor you'd want.

[27:01] Jesse McInally: It proves to be a potent mix for a musical that takes things all the way to 88 miles per hour.

[27:09] Andrew DeWolf: Fuck you.

[27:10] Jesse McInally: That's a terrible review.

[27:12] Andrew DeWolf: I'm not gonna lie.

[27:18] Jesse McInally: I love it.

[27:19] Andrew DeWolf: It sounds smarter if you read it with a British accent.

[27:22] Jesse McInally: Oh, I'm sorry.

[27:25] Andrew DeWolf: Try that for the next one.

[27:26] Jesse McInally: Let's see.

[27:27] Andrew DeWolf: David Benedict in the review.

[27:30] Jesse McInally: I can't even do an English accent.

[27:33] Andrew DeWolf: Um, David Benedict.

[27:36] Jesse McInally: Yep.

[27:37] Andrew DeWolf: David Benedict.

[27:40] Jesse McInally: Benedict.

[27:43] Andrew DeWolf: God damn it.

[27:43] Jesse McInally: Okay, David Benedict in their review for Variety wrote that.

[27:48] Andrew DeWolf: Like the recently opened Frozen playing around the corner at the theater Royal Dury Lane.

[27:57] Jesse McInally: That's where the muffin men live.

[28:03] Andrew DeWolf: This is where we get when we don't have guests.

[28:13] Jesse McInally: I just imagine the listener like I listen to this. I pay for this once a month. What the fuck?

[28:20] Andrew DeWolf: My stomach hurts from laughing.

[28:22] Jesse McInally: My head hurts reading.

[28:25] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[28:29] Jesse McInally: You're not gonna try to retire.

[28:31] Andrew DeWolf: Jess, can you read it in English accent?

[28:33] Jesse McInally: I can try to read it in English accent if Bree can take the last one.

[28:35] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I can do that.

[28:36] Jesse McInally: David Benedict in their review for Variety said that like the recently opened Frozen playing around the corner at the theater Drury Lane.

[28:44] Andrew DeWolf: Back to the Future is not just a movie that people have seen.

[28:48] Jesse McInally: It's a property watched and rewatched.

[28:50] Andrew DeWolf: That's as much a curse as a blessing.

[28:53] Jesse McInally: It's a tribute to the invention of the design team that the action sequences are so hair-raising that even the hardest heart capitulates.

[29:01] Andrew DeWolf: Is it a great musical?

[29:02] Jesse McInally: Absolutely not.

[29:03] Andrew DeWolf: Is it a great nod out?

[29:05] Jesse McInally: Oh yes!

[29:06] Andrew DeWolf: You'll believe a car can fly.

[29:09] Jesse McInally: Jesus.

[29:10] Andrew DeWolf: West End has no standards.

[29:12] Jesse McInally: Like that was not an English accent.

[29:15] Andrew DeWolf: What was that?

[29:16] Jesse McInally: It was horrible.

[29:17] Andrew DeWolf: It's like Australia.

[29:18] Jesse McInally: It was.

[29:19] Andrew DeWolf: No, that was like Northern London.

[29:21] Jesse McInally: I like that, uh I like that West End just has no standards.

[29:25] Andrew DeWolf: They're just like, is it a good musical?

[29:27] Jesse McInally: Not even a little bit.

[29:28] Andrew DeWolf: Will I go see it and love every second?

[29:30] Jesse McInally: Hell yeah.

[29:31] Andrew DeWolf: My favorite thing is Les Mis was a big flop in London.

[29:35] Jesse McInally: So much that they thought it was like gonna they're like, this is a glum show.

[29:39] Andrew DeWolf: Miserable not at the theater.

[29:41] Jesse McInally: They just they didn't like it because there were so many French people in it.

[29:46] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, Bree.

[29:48] Jesse McInally: What's the last one?

[29:48] Andrew DeWolf: Arifa Akbar and their review for The Guardian wrote that the show seems like a mashup of theater and film.

[29:56] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[29:56] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[29:56] Jesse McInally: Um it begins with Steven Spielberg style action movie music, while screens are used in filmic ways, including one rolling down for the end.

[30:09] Andrew DeWolf: Classic.

[30:12] Jesse McInally: You know what? That's what Les Mis needed, just at the end, right at the scene.

[30:18] Andrew DeWolf: No, you need the Finding Nemo in Swedish thing, where it's just a slut.

[30:26] Jesse McInally: Bro.

[30:27] Andrew DeWolf: Because that's what Finn means in Swedish.

[30:31] Jesse McInally: Oh the graphics alternatively leave us feeling as if we are inside a giant arcade game or a 3D film, but it is a striking integration of forms nonetheless.

[30:44] Andrew DeWolf: Despite its inventions and its abundant splashiness, it is an odd mismatch of originality and imitation.

[30:53] Jesse McInally: The DeLorean remaining its biggest star.

[30:56] Andrew DeWolf: Everyone's like, yo, it kind of sucks, but man, that DeLorean's cool.

[31:00] Jesse McInally: I feel like that was our review as well, so yeah, but they still like go see it, and we're like, maybe not.

[31:07] Andrew DeWolf: If you've ridden the Back to the Future ride, that is more of an experience than this.

[31:11] Jesse McInally: That doesn't exist anymore, Jess.

[31:13] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it's a Simpsons special.

[31:14] Jesse McInally: Oh, you're right.

[31:16] Andrew DeWolf: I rode the Back to the Future ride when I was a kid, and it was fucking great.

[31:20] Jesse McInally: Yeah, I rode it too.

[31:21] Andrew DeWolf: It was really good.

[31:23] Jesse McInally: They shouldn't have gotten rid of it.

[31:24] Andrew DeWolf: The Simpsons didn't earn that spot.

[31:26] Jesse McInally: Yeah, now they're owned by Disney.

[31:27] Andrew DeWolf: It's basically a Disney ride at Universal.

[31:30] Jesse McInally: Yeah, they're probably gonna get rid of that soon.

[31:31] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, so bring back Back to the Future.

[31:33] Jesse McInally: Um yeah.

[31:34] Andrew DeWolf: On that note, how about we go into the real critics of the world?

[31:38] Jesse McInally: It's time for letterboxed one star, five star.

[31:41] Bree and Andrew, are you ready?

[31:42] Andrew DeWolf: Alright.

[31:43] Jesse McInally: It's been a while since it's just been the three of us. I love you both so much, and I have not laughed this much in a long time, so I'm very grateful for you.

[31:51] Andrew DeWolf: I am grateful to be here, and let's play.

[31:54] Jesse McInally: Alright.

[31:55] Bree, you're up first.

[31:57] Bree: Okay.

[31:58] Jesse McInally: And now Johnny Be Good is written by a white man.

[32:04] Bree: One star.

[32:05] Andrew DeWolf: That is correct.

[32:06] Jesse McInally: That is kind of a fucky thing about Back to the Future.

[32:09] Andrew DeWolf: It's a fucking thing about Robert Zemeckis.

[32:11] Bree: Do you know that every single achievement that Forrest Gump does in his movie was done by a black person, then they just attributed to Forrest Gump in that movie?

[32:20] Andrew DeWolf: Wait, really?

[32:21] Bree: Yeah, that's like a real thing that like someone wrote an entire essay about.

[32:25] Andrew DeWolf: Jeez, that that almost feels like it has to be intentional.

[32:28] Bree: Yeah.

[32:28] Andrew DeWolf: Robert Zemeckis might have some boomer bullshit going on.

[32:31] Bree: I mean, this is kind of beyond boomer.

[32:33] Andrew DeWolf: Is he trying to do something with that?

[32:35] Bree: I don't know.

[32:36] Andrew DeWolf: Who knows?

[33:32] Jesse McInally: Alright, Andrew, you ready?

[33:32] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I guess I guess I'm ready.

[33:32] Bree: Let him fuck his mom, you cowards!

[33:32] Andrew DeWolf: Five stars.

[33:37] Bree: One star.

[33:37] Andrew DeWolf: Damn.

[33:37] Jesse McInally: Rein the lead.

[33:37] Andrew DeWolf: Alright.

[33:37] Bree: You ready?

[33:37] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[33:37] Bree: My dad played with Chuck Berry, and it brings it up every time Marty plays Johnny Be Good.

[33:37] Andrew DeWolf: So that's the lens I watched this movie through.

[33:37] Bree: One star.

[33:40] Andrew DeWolf: That's a five star.

[33:40] Bree: You really think they didn't like their dad that much?

[33:40] Andrew DeWolf: Maybe.

[33:40] Bree: Enough to drag him on the internet.

[33:40] Andrew DeWolf: Damn.

[33:40] Jesse McInally: You ready, Andrew?

[33:40] Andrew DeWolf: I'm ready.

[33:40] Bree: I can't believe I can't blog about this on Google Plus anymore.

[33:40] Andrew DeWolf: Oh man, I miss Google Plus.

[33:40] Jesse McInally: Everyone's favorite likes online service.

[33:40] Andrew DeWolf: I loved I loved Google Plus.

[33:40] Bree: Did you really though?

[33:40] Andrew DeWolf: It's just gone for good.

[33:40] Bree: I did.

[33:40] Andrew DeWolf: Um, yeah, that's a five star.

[34:40] Jesse McInally: That is a five-star.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: You're right.

[34:40] Bree: Now you're tied.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Yay.

[34:40] Bree: You ready?

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[34:40] Bree: Christopher Lloyd was 17 in 1955.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: One star.

[34:40] Bree: That is a five-star.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, Andrew, you ready?

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: I'm ready.

[34:40] Bree: Lorraine needs to keep it in her pants.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: That's true.

[34:40] Bree: Um, one star.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: That's a five star.

[34:40] Bree: We're still tied though.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, Bree, you ready?

[34:40] Bree: Yes.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: My parents didn't believe this was actually filmed in 1985.

[34:40] Bree: Huh.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Five star?

[34:40] Bree: That is correct.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: You have got a lead on Andrew now.

[34:40] Bree: Andrew, you ready to tie it up again?

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: I am.

[34:40] Bree: Freud would love this.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Five stars.

[34:40] Bree: That is correct.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: You're tied again.

[34:40] Bree: Alright, Bree, you ready?

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Mm-hmm.

[34:40] Bree: Alright, this is all lowercase.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: What if he did bang his mom?

[34:40] Bree: What what would happen?

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Five star.

[34:40] Bree: That is correct.

[34:40] Jesse McInally: And it does bring up a good question that I'm gonna offer to both of you.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: What would happen if he did bang his mom?

[34:40] Bree: A weird incest child.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: They did this on Futurama, so.

[34:40] Bree: That was grandma though.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but it would have been it was the same result.

[34:40] Bree: It would have been the same result.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, Andrew.

[34:40] Bree: Um tie it up again.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Did not cry.

[34:40] Bree: It's not a sad movie, so I mean uh one star?

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: That is correct.

[34:40] Bree: You're tied again.

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: Bree George McFly, do be pissing me off for half the movie.

[34:39] Bree: One star?

[34:40] Andrew DeWolf: That is a five-star.

[34:42] Bree: Andrew, you can take the lead.

[34:44] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my god.

[34:46] Bree: In grade four, I dressed up as Marty McFly for Halloween.

[34:49] Andrew DeWolf: Five stars.

[34:50] Bree: That is correct.

[34:51] Andrew DeWolf: Andrew, you are in the lead.

[34:52] Bree: Alright, Bree.

[34:53] Andrew DeWolf: Future to the back.

[34:55] Bree: Five stars.

[34:56] Andrew DeWolf: That's a one-star.

[34:57] Bree: That's a one star, and that was our last question.

[34:59] Andrew DeWolf: Andrew, you won this one!

[35:01] Jesse McInally: But that was a race well won, Bree.

[35:04] Andrew DeWolf: I earned it, you know.

[35:09] Jesse McInally: You are, Andrew.

[35:10] Andrew DeWolf: You know who else is very good?

[35:11] Jesse McInally: Our patrons.

[35:12] Andrew DeWolf: How about we go into a mid-show?

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[35:34] Jesse McInally: Andrew, tell us about Patreon and who's over there.

[35:37] Andrew DeWolf: Oh man. Patreon’s where you can go if you want to give us money and support us and get some extra content like Patreon Machese, um, like commentaries, like we just did the Cinderella commentary, which was uh Yeah, it was it was good.

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[37:33] ♪ Musical number ♪

[37:56] Jesse McInally: And we're back!

[37:56] Jesse McInally: So our opening number is "It's Only a Matter of Time," which you would also know as the Back to the Future theme. I actually think this is probably the most effective song. It's the Back to the Future theme, but they put lyrics on it. I mean, Brent Black basically wrote this. There was a guy in early YouTube that did the same thing, but his lyrics were better.

[38:21] Andrew DeWolf: Who was it?

[38:22] Jesse McInally: Uh, I don't—let me see if I can remember the guy's name so I can give him credit. Because when I hum the Back to the Future theme, I hum his lyrics. Um, bum bum ba da ba ba. It was by Golden Tusk, in the old old days of YouTube. But it's like, say what you want about me, but I'm gonna change history. Like anytime I hear that theme, that's what's going on in my head. And this one they do their best with. It's only a matter of time. And it's not that great an I Want song or an opening number, to be honest.

[39:02] Andrew DeWolf: No, it's a good melody though, because it's the Back to the Future theme song. But do you know what was a fantastic opening number to the Back to the Future movie?

[39:11] Jesse McInally: What's that?

[39:12] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, "The Power of Love."

[39:13] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[39:14] Andrew DeWolf: The score to that movie works as a musical, like in a way.

[39:18] Jesse McInally: In a certain way, yeah.

[39:20] Andrew DeWolf: I kinda like how they use like the Huey Lewis sound to represent like the modern time, and then they go back and they play like "Earth Angel" and like these old songs. It's fun. Here they just ignore that and they just play whatever kind of music they want throughout the entire movie or musical.

[39:37] Jesse McInally: Yeah, honestly, every song kind of sounds like the same. I will say, except for two exceptions. Um, you know these beforehand. Um, I hate all of Doc Brown's songs.

[39:49] Andrew DeWolf: It works.

[39:50] Jesse McInally: Oh, yeah.

[39:50] Andrew DeWolf: Was the sign that I'm like, this is gonna be really, really bad instead of just bad.

[39:54] Jesse McInally: It's a time machine that goes both ways to new tomorrows into yesterday. It's a car for the stars, the Captain Kirks, and the once a new of me to think that it works. It perfect works, it works, it works. Into the vernacular is spectacular, because it works, it works, it works. And now I've got my glory in Seamless Deal DeLorean. It's ratifying them when I was first because it works. It works, doesn't sound the same as all the other songs, but it also is just like out of nowhere, like goofiness that's like it was probably supposed to be really funny, or they're like, oh, we need like a big song because the DeLorean, like this is like a big moment in the movie.

[40:41] Andrew DeWolf: The DeLorean should be the big thing.

[40:44] Jesse McInally: Yeah, it's like that already is the big thing. Honestly, it kinda would make sense if Doc just didn't have any songs. I like in theory, his second act song, which I believe is called "For the Dreamers."

[40:51] ♪ Musical number: "For the Dreamers" ♪

[41:27] Jesse McInally: In theory, I don't dislike that being a song there. That should be his one song, though. Doc feels like a character that if this was a normal musical, would maybe have one song and that's it.

[41:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[41:39] Jesse McInally: You know? If we ignore the iconography of Back to the Future. But we can't do that because this is just the movie again. So every scene where Doc appears has to be there, and he has to have a song for that.

[41:51] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it works. It was the sign that this musical is not gonna work in any way. Like that was the sign that this doesn't work.

[41:58] Jesse McInally: I think honestly, the big problem with the "It Works" song, though, is it's just not funny.

[42:02] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[42:02] Jesse McInally: It's not visually engaging. The dancers are stupid.

[42:05] Andrew DeWolf: It's also not the type of humor that you would expect from Back to the Future. This like lol so random, like, oh my goodness, they kind of came out of nowhere. Haha. Like, that's not the type of humor that I would expect from Back to the Future, I guess. Um, but let's talk racism for a minute.

[42:22] Jesse McInally: Ah, my favorite topic. Goldie Wilson is kind of a throwaway joke in the movie. Like Goldie Wilson. They give him a whole song number and it feels racist. It feels like a song that would have been in something like Hairspray. You know, it's like the hey, isn't it like we're gonna solve racism?

[42:41] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, a little bit.

[42:44] Jesse McInally: It feels like white people don't know how to write black people.

[42:47] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I don't like it.

[42:49] Jesse McInally: Yeah, um, but not to be negative Nelly's. There is one song in act, actually, two songs in act one I really really like. I like George McFly's song, "My Myopia."

[42:57] ♪ Musical number: "My Myopia" ♪

[43:28] Jesse McInally: Because it feels like a very George McFly number. It feels like a proper musical theater number. I think the actor who plays George is very, very good. He's like going beyond an impression of Crispin Glover, where everyone else is just doing like he feels like a realized character. And this song really, really sums that up. And it feels like a proper musical theater number, which as weird as it is, none of the other ones do.

[43:50] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I mean, I don't really remember this song that well, and I feel like a lot of these blended together for me, but which is fair.

[43:58] Jesse McInally: I agree. If you liked this one, give it the points, you know.

[44:02] Andrew DeWolf: I like that one, but I loved the act one closer. Like this is the one scene that I actively loved, and it was "Something About That Boy."

[44:11] ♪ Musical number: "Something About That Boy" — performed by Bree ♪

[44:36] Jesse McInally: Marty is fighting Biff, Lorraine is thirsting over Marty, and Biff is trying to figure out what's so different about Marty and why he got bested. It is such a cool idea for a song. It's like the one time where the actual song moves plot forward instead of stops it, and it's got this 50s pastiche kind of vibe to it that I think just aesthetically sounds good to the ears.

[44:57] Andrew DeWolf: Well, they probably put more effort into the act one closer than most of the other songs.

[45:02] Jesse McInally: I agree, but it's bad uh that this is the only good song. Imagine it in Les Mis if "One Day More" was the only good song.

[45:10] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, and it kind of gets worse because act two is like significantly worse. There's less songs in general, and the ones that are there are like this is where we get "Earth Angel" and "Johnny B. Goode" and "The Power of Love" and "Back in Time." And it's like, my god, you put all of the covers at the end of the show.

[45:29] Jesse McInally: Which means you're ending on high, because I at least know I like those songs.

[45:34] Andrew DeWolf: Honestly, that's probably why they did it. Um, I like "The Power of Love." It's a good ending number. I like "Back in Time," which is back in time, is kind of like the encore.

[45:45] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[45:46] Andrew DeWolf: Which I mean, yeah, and that's kinda I feel like that's kind of what it is in the movie, too.

[45:49] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[45:50] Andrew DeWolf: Huey Lewis, do you uh do you recognize Huey Lewis when you watch the movie?

[45:55] Jesse McInally: Um, I do. He's the guy that um is judging the talent show.

[45:59] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, they cut Huey Lewis out of this musical. Like they just give it to Principal Strickland in the musical.

[46:04] Jesse McInally: Yeah, but they have to he has to do the line that you recognize, the you'll never amount to anything line.

[46:10] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[46:10] Jesse McInally: They had to put that in there, so he had to be the one to do that.

[46:13] Andrew DeWolf: I guess.

[46:18] Jesse McInally: Yeah, it is weird. This they've only did it once, once or twice, where they turned a famous line into a song. They don't turn it on.

[46:27] Andrew DeWolf: My personal favorite though.

[46:28] Jesse McInally: My personal favorite was "Hello Is Anybody Home." Where Marty adopts Biff's like mocking hello McFly and turns it into like an emotional number for his parents.

[46:43] Andrew DeWolf: I don't even know what's going on in this.

[46:45] Jesse McInally: Yep, yep, yep, that was a choice. That was certainly a choice.

[46:48] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, yeah.

[46:49] Jesse McInally: My favorite scene is when Lorraine sings "Pretty Baby," but it's about like how much she wants to fuck this guy that happens to be her son. So baby means two things. I want to bomb it.

[47:01] Andrew DeWolf: Baby boy.

[47:02] Jesse McInally: It literally is okay. Play that "Pretty Baby" song and tell me that it doesn't sound like that song from the Nightman Comic.

[47:04] ♪ Musical number: "Pretty Baby" ♪

[48:12] Jesse McInally: Just nightmare Nightman Cometh vibes from this whole show.

[48:17] Andrew DeWolf: I you're not wrong at all.

[48:20] Jesse McInally: Oh my gosh.

[48:22] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[48:22] Jesse McInally: Any other songs you want to talk about in Back to the Future the Musical?

[48:26] Andrew DeWolf: No.

[48:27] Jesse McInally: Well, we've got a few extra minutes. Um, we haven't done this since Bye Jeeves. How about we take a Buzzfeed quiz to figure out which Back to the Future character we are as a collective of Musicals with Cheese?

[48:39] Andrew DeWolf: Ah god, I hope I'm Doc Brown.

[48:41] Jesse McInally: I am I've always I've always been a bit of a Rick.

[48:44] Andrew DeWolf: No, you're you're Biff, Andrew.

[48:48] Jesse McInally: Alright, are we ready?

[48:49] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[48:50] Jesse McInally: I'm ready. Scroll to start this quiz. Alright, the question is if your friend was about to get pulverized by a bully, what do you do? Step in and help out. Try and say something to keep it from happening. Call the guy out and hope the bully targets you instead. Say nothing and hope not to get noticed. Alright, guys. What do we got?

[49:09] Andrew DeWolf: Probably the first one or the four or the third one.

[49:12] Jesse McInally: Honestly, I think I'm the second one. Well uh this one try to try and say something to keep it from happening. Is more my speed. What about you guys? Bree?

[49:19] Bree: Um, I was gonna say first or third. I'd step in to help out. I'm a good one.

[49:23] Jesse McInally: I feel like step in to help out is the best one. Because I I'd wanna I'd want a two V one the bully. I don't want a one v one.

[49:30] Andrew DeWolf: Fair enough. All right, what do we got? So me and Andrew are gonna beat up for beating you up.

[49:36] Bree: Thank you guys.

[49:37] Jesse McInally: Um, you planned a trip to the lake, but the car is wrecked. What do you do? Blame it on a blind spot, even though you were drunk. Try to fix it with some rocket boosters. Cry about it. Doesn't matter. It can't drive.

[49:50] Andrew DeWolf: I'm gonna cry about it.

[49:51] Jesse McInally: I wanna fix it with some rocket boosters.

[49:53] Andrew DeWolf: Um yeah, the rocket boosters sounds like a good plan. Bree?

[49:57] Bree: Okay. Wanna help us with the rocket boosters?

[49:59] Jesse McInally: Yeah, uh if you have some rocket boosters, I'll help you.

[50:02] Andrew DeWolf: Thanks, Bree. Alright.

[50:04] Andrew DeWolf: If your friend asks them to meet you meet them at the mall at one fifteen in the morning, do you go?

[50:09] Jesse McInally: No, it's one fifteen in the morning.

[50:10] Andrew DeWolf: One what are you gonna do at the mall?

[50:12] Jesse McInally: At 115.

[50:14] Andrew DeWolf: If it's my friend who might be building a time machine, yes.

[50:17] Jesse McInally: But outside of that, like what the fuck?

[50:19] Andrew DeWolf: So it sounds like think about it, then decide to bail.

[50:22] Jesse McInally: As why is as long as you get to walk there of one of the options.

[50:27] Andrew DeWolf: Because our car is wrecked.

[50:29] Jesse McInally: Honestly, part of me is like, yeah, I would go. But also, like it depends on if there's actually a plan here, if they're just like, you'll go to the mall.

[50:36] Andrew DeWolf: I'm bringing it back up.

[50:38] Jesse McInally: Alright, I like that.

[50:39] Andrew DeWolf: That's fair. We'll go, but with some backup.

[50:41] Jesse McInally: I'm going, but you guys are coming with me, kind of deal.

[50:44] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I agree. Your friend built a time machine. Wanna go for a trip?

[50:46] Jesse McInally: No, that's freaky.

[50:48] Andrew DeWolf: Definitely.

[50:49] Jesse McInally: No gambling though.

[50:50] Andrew DeWolf: Well, dot dot dot. Maybe dot dot dot. Science fiction roleplay.

[50:54] Jesse McInally: Awesome.

[50:54] Andrew DeWolf: That's kinky.

[50:55] Jesse McInally: It's gonna be a big well maybe from me.

[50:57] Andrew DeWolf: Like, does my friend die from uh plutonium overdose or terrorist?

[51:03] Jesse McInally: Yeah.

[51:05] Andrew DeWolf: Well, maybe. For me too. I gotta think about it.

[51:07] Jesse McInally: You were transported to 1955 with no plutonium to get back. What now?

[51:11] Andrew DeWolf: Panic?

[51:13] Jesse McInally: Oh no. Who will provide you with food?

[51:16] Andrew DeWolf: Buy some vintage comets.

[51:18] Jesse McInally: Time to find a friend from the past.

[51:21] Andrew DeWolf: Um Yeah, probably uh I'm gonna find a friend.

[51:24] Jesse McInally: Probably find a friend or panic. Like, I feel like those would be the only good options.

[51:28] Andrew DeWolf: I'll find a friend from the past to play the shitty games and suck ass. Let's go.

[51:32] Jesse McInally: Nice, nice. You found a new source of power, but it's a long shot. How do you react?

[51:36] Andrew DeWolf: You get aggressive, you keep it cool. You work out a sophisticated plan of action. You guess it's not so bad in 1955.

[51:44] Jesse McInally: Uh probably the third one.

[51:46] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. Or the or the second one to keep your cool or something.

[51:49] Jesse McInally: I think we keep our cool. I think we keep our cool.

[51:52] Andrew DeWolf: Before we get back to your current time, you have to play a song for the big dance. What do you play?

[52:09] Jesse McInally: Death Magnetic by Metallica. Safety dance by Men Without Hats. She Blinded Me with Science by Thomas Dolby. And Johnny Be Good by Chuck Berry.

[52:07] Andrew DeWolf: I wanna perform Death Magnetic.

[52:13] Jesse McInally: Yeah, Death Magnetic by Metallica. Just cause like why is that an option?

[52:15] Andrew DeWolf: Safety dance would have been my follow up.

[52:18] Jesse McInally: You wake up the next day. Was it a dream?

[52:20] Andrew DeWolf: Of course not.

[52:21] Jesse McInally: You hope not.

[52:22] Andrew DeWolf: Think it was a dream?

[52:23] Jesse McInally: Of course.

[52:24] Andrew DeWolf: Time travel is dumb.

[52:25] Jesse McInally: What?

[52:26] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, I think that's Andrew's right there.

[52:29] Jesse McInally: Think what was a dream.

[52:31] Andrew DeWolf: You said what?

[52:34] Jesse McInally: What type of coat is your favorite? A red vest, a lab coat, a fur coat, a gray jacket.

[52:36] Andrew DeWolf: A fur coat.

[52:40] Jesse McInally: A lab coat.

[52:42] Andrew DeWolf: I'm I'm agreeing with fur coat, though.

[52:44] Jesse McInally: Okay. Your friend comes back with a time machine and now it can fly. Wanna go on another adventure?

[52:50] Andrew DeWolf: Absolutely.

[52:51] Jesse McInally: You're not sure.

[52:52] Andrew DeWolf: Now you want to go for a walk.

[52:53] Jesse McInally: No way.

[52:54] Andrew DeWolf: Quick adventure. We're in and out. Five minutes.

[52:56] Jesse McInally: Um that's what you said to your mom, too.

[53:00] Andrew DeWolf: Uh so do I do the second movie? Is that what they're asking?

[53:04] Jesse McInally: Yeah. Second movie, shit gets pretty fucked up. Your dad dies.

[53:08] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, yeah. I mean, if we're saying that like the time machine worked the last time and I'm fine, then sure, but like if I got stranded the last time, then hell no.

[53:18] Jesse McInally: I'm gonna say you're not sure.

[53:20] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I I need to know more. What's your favorite animal?

[53:23] Jesse McInally: Shark, fox, dog, turtle.

[53:25] Andrew DeWolf: I look total. Uh turtle.

[53:27] Jesse McInally: Turtle? Because we're turtly enough for the turtle.

[53:30] Andrew DeWolf: The turtle clip. Remember 9-11.

[53:33] Jesse McInally: Um, what is your favorite third? What is your favorite choice of vehicle? DeLorean, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes.

[53:39] Andrew DeWolf: DeLorean.

[53:43] Jesse McInally: I like it when like if it if the car flips over, you won't be able to open the doors, so you just die.

[53:54] Andrew DeWolf: I feel like DeLorean is the obvious choice here. But a Toyota is a safe, affordable vehicle.

[54:00] Jesse McInally: With doors that you can open if it's upside down.

[54:03] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. Fine, I'll go with DeLorean.

[54:06] Jesse McInally: What is your idea of a good time? Going to the skate park, beating up losers, writing fictional stories, doing math homework, beating up losers.

[54:16] Andrew DeWolf: Let's cover it up. Probably going to the skate park or beating up losers. One of those two.

[54:21] Jesse McInally: I'd probably write fictional stories because that's what you do already.

[54:25] Andrew DeWolf: Shut up, Bree.

[54:26] Jesse McInally: If you do it for work, it's not a good time.

[54:28] Andrew DeWolf: Well, I do math homework for fun, so for fun? We're picking the skate park, okay? It doesn't matter what anyone else says. We're going to the skate park.

[54:35] Jesse McInally: Fine. Holy shallow.

[54:38] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, okay. Well, we got a couple left. I was very bad.

[54:42] Jesse McInally: Keep going.

[54:42] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my holy shit. Of the following, which person would be your idol? Albert Einstein, Tony Hawk, Mary Shelley, the Undertaker.

[54:49] Jesse McInally: Mary Shelley, she lost her virginity on her mom's grave.

[54:52] Andrew DeWolf: The Undertaker.

[54:53] Jesse McInally: Come on. The Undertaker.

[54:54] Andrew DeWolf: Mary Shelley lost her virginity on her mother's grave.

[54:58] Jesse McInally: Yeah, to The Undertaker.

[55:00] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, The Undertaker. You've sold me.

[55:04] Jesse McInally: If you could hang out with one dead person, who would it be? Thomas Edison, Michael Jackson, Adolf Hitler, and MC Escher.

[55:09] Andrew DeWolf: MC Escher is the only one that isn't a monster in this group.

[55:13] Jesse McInally: Yeah, I mean, I don't even know that for sure. Why would I why would you hang out with Adolf Hitler?

[55:18] Andrew DeWolf: Who the fuck? Biff.

[55:19] Jesse McInally: Yeah. Biff would not hang out with Adolf Hitler. I'm sorry. He was a bully.

[55:23] Andrew DeWolf: He's a bully, but he's not a fucking Nazi.

[55:27] Jesse McInally: What the fuck? What kind of milk would you drink? White, low fat, chocolate. You'll take a Pepsi instead.

[55:32] Andrew DeWolf: Chocolate.

[55:34] Jesse McInally: Yeah. I gotta go with chocolate.

[55:36] Andrew DeWolf: You dairy drinkers. Shaken, not stirred.

[55:39] Jesse McInally: Well, I don't like pop either. I don't like anything. I like water.

[55:43] Andrew DeWolf: And that wasn't an option. Leisurely activity do you like doing the most? Inventing, shopping, driving around, reading.

[55:48] Jesse McInally: I don't like any of these.

[55:50] Andrew DeWolf: Inventing.

[55:51] Jesse McInally: No hobbies. Go with inventing. That sounds fun.

[55:55] Andrew DeWolf: Do you wear Calvin Klein?

[55:57] Jesse McInally: No.

[55:58] Andrew DeWolf: Bree?

[55:59] Jesse McInally: No, I don't.

[56:00] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, you had a crush on a guy named Calvin Klein.

[56:02] Jesse McInally: No, his clothing is too expensive.

[56:03] Andrew DeWolf: You've never heard of him, but you have a good friend named after him.

[56:06] Jesse McInally: His clothing is too expensive.

[56:07] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. To know from me, dog. What does honor mean to you? No one has honor these days.

[56:11] Jesse McInally: It is important to have respect and honor of others. Doing what must be done without expecting reward.

[56:16] Andrew DeWolf: It's important, but it isn't everything.

[56:18] Jesse McInally: Um It's important, but it isn't everything.

[56:21] Andrew DeWolf: Hell yeah, let's go. How important are the opinions of others?

[56:23] Jesse McInally: People can tell you what they think, but you're still gonna go your own way.

[56:26] Andrew DeWolf: You may act like you don't care, but you do a little.

[56:28] Jesse McInally: They're very important to you. You could care less what others think.

[56:31] Andrew DeWolf: Uh the f the first one you read is the best one. People can tell you, yeah, okay. You're gonna go your own way.

[56:36] Jesse McInally: What is your opinion on upholding tradition? It's the most important thing, only if it means what you can do what you want.

[56:41] Andrew DeWolf: You should always follow the rules, even if you don't like them.

[56:44] Jesse McInally: It is important to do what is expected of you.

[56:46] Andrew DeWolf: Where's the one that says don't don't do it?

[56:50] Jesse McInally: Only if it means you could do what you want.

[56:52] Andrew DeWolf: That's a Yep. What are you willing to do to get your own way?

[56:56] Jesse McInally: Anything legal, literally anything. Anything within reason. Anything that doesn't require too much work.

[57:00] Andrew DeWolf: Literally anything.

[57:03] Jesse McInally: Oh anything that doesn't require too much work.

[57:05] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that's a good answer. It also doesn't matter if it's legal.

[57:09] Jesse McInally: Oh my god, are you sure this isn't uh a trick? This is a comprehensive quiz.

[57:14] Andrew DeWolf: Name two words what when you can use one word, set not say anything, resort to violence instead.

[57:20] Jesse McInally: Use a whole bunch of words.

[57:22] Andrew DeWolf: Use one word. What do you value most? Knowledge, money, freedom, power.

[57:25] Jesse McInally: Uhledge. Freedom.

[57:27] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, freedom. Jeez, am I just the one answering that? I don't think there's an end to this quiz.

[57:32] Jesse McInally: I think this is a good thing. What very shall archetype do you empathize with the most the wizard, the rogue, the princess of the knight, the princess.

[57:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, we'll go with the princess. Who shall inherit the earth? The warriors, the diplomats. Who cares? The meek who cares.

[57:47] Jesse McInally: When you were growing up, what was your relationship with like with your parents? They were your heroes. You were quite the troublemaker. You uh often felt you were the parent.

[57:55] Andrew DeWolf: It was a little rocky. They never understood you.

[57:57] Jesse McInally: You had sex with them.

[57:58] Andrew DeWolf: I was I was the parent.

[58:01] Jesse McInally: You had sex with them, put that an answer. What do you tend to follow? Your head, your instincts, your heart orders.

[58:09] Andrew DeWolf: Good lord. Uh your heart?

[58:12] Jesse McInally: I think your instincts.

[58:13] Andrew DeWolf: Your instincts. How is your relationship with your siblings?

[58:16] Jesse McInally: Our bond is unbreakable. You fight a lot. It's complicated, but you love each other.

[58:19] Andrew DeWolf: You don't have siblings.

[58:20] Jesse McInally: It's complicated.

[58:21] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, I agree. But we love each other. Last question. What is your favorite drink? Wine, beer, tea, water.

[58:26] Jesse McInally: Water.

[58:29] Andrew DeWolf: Water.

[58:29] Jesse McInally: Yeah, we're gonna fuck our son!

[58:31] Andrew DeWolf: We're Lorraine Bates!

[58:33] Jesse McInally: Hell yeah. You're a dainty flower, pretty and sweet. You're rather innocent about the ways of the world, but you're eager to fuck your son.

[58:44] Andrew DeWolf: You fall in love hard and are romantic about everything, even your son.

[58:48] Jesse McInally: Your imagination is one of your best assets. And you're not afraid to fuck your son.

[58:53] Andrew DeWolf: You don't like liars and look for the best in people. Sometimes manners get in the way of what you really want to say, which is I wanna fuck my son.

[59:02] Jesse McInally: Sometimes if you have a boy in your room, you'll try to see him naked, and you don't give a shit if it's your son or not.

[59:09] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, guys. What is your overall thoughts on Back to the Future, the musical, and your cheese rating? Lorraine, how about you?

[59:15] Jesse McInally: Which one of us is that?

[59:16] Andrew DeWolf: I thought we were all.

[59:17] Jesse McInally: Yeah, we're all Lorraine.

[59:18] Andrew DeWolf: We're all one third of Lorraine. Alright, Andrew, what about you?

[59:24] Andrew DeWolf: I didn't like it. Um just watch the movie. Like, hey, I don't know. Just watch the movie. Um there's very little redeeming about this other than the set, which honestly is not enough to redeem anything like this.

[59:37] Jesse McInally: So um I'm gonna give it um I'm gonna give it a milk, which is not really a cheese, but I remember there's a scene in Back to the Future where like uh Mr. McFly orders uh orders of milk.

[59:49] Andrew DeWolf: I don't remember exactly when. I just remember that chocolate.

[59:52] Jesse McInally: Yeah, so I'm gonna give it that. That's a dairy product. That's that's I'd consider it. It doesn't really deserve a cheese.

[59:59] Andrew DeWolf: So what about you, Bree? What is your thoughts on our discussion and your cheese rating?

[1:00:03] Bree: Discussion? Fun. 10 out of 10. Will I watch it? No. Um, so my cheese rating is going to be cheese nips. Um, because they were introduced in 1955.

[1:00:15] Andrew DeWolf: Hey!

[1:00:16] Bree: But in November of 2019, there was a recall on cheese nips due to plastic contamination, and then uh a little later in 2020 they were discontinued, and I think this should probably be discontinued.

[1:00:27] Andrew DeWolf: That's fair. I did not like Back to the Future the Musical.

[1:00:30] Bree: I wish I did. Wish I did. God bless everyone involved, especially the special effects team. Y'all kicked ass.

[1:00:35] Andrew DeWolf: Um, the only cheese rating I can give it is uh the cheese fries from Doc Brown's chicken in Universal Studios, which was Doc Brown's chicken emporium, because you know, Doc Brown loved chicken so much in the movies, right?

[1:00:52] Bree: That was what he was known for.

[1:00:54] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. Do you remember this, Andrew? It was the the clux capacitor because he loved chickens so much.

[1:00:59] Bree: Yeah, yeah. It was the clux capacity. What well me Marty should have had the chicken shop because he didn't like being called chicken, but this is the real thing that existed.

[1:01:07] Andrew DeWolf: Like I don't know what to do with that information.

[1:01:09] Bree: Isn't it a quickie mart now?

[1:01:11] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[1:01:12] Bree: They turned it into something even more racist somehow. Great job, guys. Um, yeah, but you know what else did a great job? Our wonderful patrons.

[1:01:20] Andrew DeWolf: Thank you guys for listening. Please follow us on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher at Musicals with Cheese. We're on Patreon and Musicals with Cheese. We're on Instagram musicals with cheese, YouTube page musicals with cheese.

[1:01:31] Bree: We have a patron only podcast called Patreon with Cheese. We're currently covering Rapunzel. Our emails, musical theater lives at gmail.com. Go check us out there.

[1:01:38] Andrew DeWolf: Um our title card is created by the amazing Jolene Casco. Go send them some love on Instagram at Jolene Casco.

[1:01:45] Bree: Our keeper of the cheese is Juliet Antonio. This show is produced by the incredible, the wonderful I love her so much, Brianna Jones.

[1:01:53] Andrew DeWolf: Our theme songs were created by Robin Nash of IOU Music UK. Thank you to the Broadway Podcast Network for keeping us on the platform and for not kicking us off for talking about fucking our sons so much, which we we really did this episode.

[1:02:06] Bree: This was this is the incestus incest episode, apparently. Alright, we'll see you next time on musicals with cheese.

[1:02:24] Andrew DeWolf: That's the power of love. Don't need money, don't need trends, don't in the credit cards to ride these plane.