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[0:10] Jesse McAnally: Hello, I'm Jesse McAnally.

[0:12] Andrew DeWolf: And I'm Andrew DeWolf.

[0:14] Brianna Jones: And I'm Brianna Jones.

[0:15] Jesse McAnally: And welcome to Musicals with Cheese, a podcast where I try to get Andrew and Brie to like musical theatre.

[0:20] Andrew DeWolf: Oh no, this roller coaster's falling off.

[0:23] Brianna Jones: Oh no, this roller coaster has crashed.

[0:26] Jesse McAnally: And we're dead, Andrew.

[0:28] Brianna Jones: All three of us are dead.

[0:30] Jesse McAnally: And we have to perform for that machine over there to decide who gets to live.

[0:35] Andrew DeWolf: Dang, this is like the worst thing to happen, because like I don't like that weird machine with the fortune teller machine.

[0:42] Brianna Jones: He's creepy.

[0:43] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[0:43] Jesse McAnally: It's like big.

[0:45] Brianna Jones: But yeah.

[0:46] Jesse McAnally: Um, so who uh we how do we gonna decide who's gonna go back?

[0:50] Andrew DeWolf: Only one of us gets to go back and live.

[0:53] Brianna Jones: Well, it could be any one of us or this random person we've never met.

[0:57] Andrew DeWolf: I'll pick the random person we've never met.

[0:59] Brianna Jones: I guess that they get my vote as well.

[1:01] Jesse McAnally: Mine too.

[1:02] Andrew DeWolf: All right.

[1:03] Jesse McAnally: I guess it's decided then.

[1:04] Brianna Jones: Oh no, it turned out to be Brent!

[1:06] Andrew DeWolf: Oh no!

[1:10] Jesse McAnally: Uh dang, that sucks.

[1:13] Brianna Jones: I was so hoping there'd be a reveal where it's like the person that they all picked because they didn't know who it was was like the person who caused the roller coaster crash in the first place.

[1:22] Andrew DeWolf: You were expecting Dark Twist.

[1:24] Jesse McAnally: I was, I was hoping.

[1:25] Brianna Jones: Like, oh, it turns out that they were full of shit and they all picked the wrong person.

[1:30] Andrew DeWolf: Haha.

[1:31] Jesse McAnally: You and then you got sincere ending.

[1:34] Brianna Jones: You got a real sincere upbeat ending.

[1:37] Jesse McAnally: Barely.

[1:38] Brianna Jones: On this note, we are talking about Ride the Cyclone, the Gen Z favorite that's impossible to escape on TikTok.

[1:46] Jesse McAnally: Cue the music, Brie.

[1:48] Brianna Jones: It's just a ride.

[1:56] Jesse McAnally: It's just a ride.

[2:07] Brianna Jones: There's no up, there's no down.

[2:09] Jesse McAnally: It's also beautiful and strange, but so much more than standing ground.

[2:13] Brianna Jones: Yes, it's everything you love, and it's everything you dream, and it's everything you share.

[2:19] Jesse McAnally: So Ride the Cyclone is a musical written by Jacob Richmond and Brooke Maxwell with music and lyrics by them as well.

[2:25] Brianna Jones: The world premiere production took place in Victoria, British Columbia at Atomic Vaudeville in 2008.

[2:31] Jesse McAnally: A production then played at the Theatre Passe Muraille in Toronto in 2011, and there was a tour in Western Canada in 2013.

[2:38] Brianna Jones: There is a Canadian theme here.

[2:40] Jesse McAnally: The American premiere took place in Chicago's Shakespeare Theater, directed by Rachel Rockwell.

[2:45] Brianna Jones: The production opened on September 29, 2015, playing a limited run until the 8th of November, with Rockwell again directing the show opened off Broadway at the Lucille Lortel Theatre, with an official opening night on November 30th, 2016, ending its limited run on December 18th.

[3:00] Jesse McAnally: The plot of Ride the Cyclone tells a story of the members of the St. Cassian High School Chamber Choir of Uranium City, Saskatchewan, who perish on a faulty roller coaster called the Cyclone.

[3:11] Brianna Jones: Each tells a story to win a reward of a mechanical fortune teller, the chance to return to life.

[3:16] Jesse McAnally: Andrew, what did you think about this?

[3:19] Andrew DeWolf: Um it's uh interesting.

[3:23] Jesse McAnally: Fair enough, it is interesting.

[3:25] Andrew DeWolf: I didn't not like it.

[3:27] Jesse McAnally: Um, but you know.

[3:30] Andrew DeWolf: So I'm not like a huge fan of the ones where there's just characters and every character sings like one song about who the character is.

[3:37] Jesse McAnally: But you love Cats.

[3:38] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I mean, you do you got me there. I've I've outspoken on that.

[3:42] Jesse McAnally: You have seen Cats live, you have seen both the stage and movie productions, as well as we did an entire podcast about it at Broadway Con.

[3:50] Andrew DeWolf: You love Cats the Musical.

[3:52] Andrew DeWolf: It's true. Uh I'm a dedicated fan of Cats, but I think that's more of the exception than the rule.

[3:59] Jesse McAnally: Um I think that they're it's possible that these type of shows can be okay, but I'm a I'm a plot man, and I like it when there's more of a plot going on.

[4:09] Brianna Jones: You did really enjoy Spelling Bee, which is of the same ilk.

[4:13] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I'm not saying that they're all bad. It's just I think they're not always my favorite.

[4:17] Jesse McAnally: And this one is not my favorite.

[4:20] Andrew DeWolf: But I do think it's okay. I like the setting, I like the concept, I like roller coasters.

[4:26] Jesse McAnally: You do love roller coasters.

[4:28] Brianna Jones: I don't think we've ever properly gone into it on this podcast about how much you fucking love roller coasters.

[4:34] Andrew DeWolf: They're phenomenal. Roller coasters are great.

[4:36] Jesse McAnally: Um I agree. If I died on a roller coaster, it would be very funny.

[4:40] Andrew DeWolf: Um, but you know, it'd be worth it.

[4:42] Jesse McAnally: Andrew, have you ever been to Cedar Point?

[4:44] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[4:45] Jesse McAnally: Okay, cool. Next year when he comes down for his Michigan visit, I'm taking all three of us and we're going to Michigan Adventure, and that's gonna be a good time.

[4:52] Brianna Jones: Yeah, please. We gotta.

[4:54] Jesse McAnally: And that'll be our photo shoot. We'll be like in a on a beach in a pool.

[4:58] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, we could buy the photo of us on a roller coaster.

[5:01] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, and that would just be our podcast image.

[5:03] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[5:04] Jesse McAnally: Oh my gosh.

[5:05] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[5:05] Jesse McAnally: Um was I?

[5:07] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[5:07] Jesse McAnally: I like the uh the like devil's carnival kind of feel. Not like the devil's carnival, like the musical, but like, you know, like dark carnival kind of feel that this has going as well, like with the uh what is it, the fortune teller machine.

[5:21] Brianna Jones: Yeah, the Zoltar kind of machine.

[5:23] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. I think it's fun. I like all of that.

[5:26] Jesse McAnally: How would you describe the plot of this incorrectly?

[5:29] Andrew DeWolf: Um, pissing off and triggering someone in the audience. Uh people die on a roller coaster.

[5:35] Jesse McAnally: Yes.

[5:35] Andrew DeWolf: And are brought to a purgatory type place with uh with Zoltar, um, who is going to bring one of them back to life, uh, and they all go through and sing about themselves.

[5:47] Jesse McAnally: Um, not in ways that are necessarily about why they should be the one to survive, except for one of the characters, but they just sing about themselves and then at the end they decide who's gonna survive.

[5:58] Andrew DeWolf: Um by survive I mean reborn. I don't think they actually survive the accident.

[6:03] Jesse McAnally: Like uh so is it like a cat's new life, or do they just somehow survive like their body was found?

[6:09] Andrew DeWolf: I mean the ending is pretty clear, I think. They are reborn as a baby.

[6:13] Jesse McAnally: Okay.

[6:13] Andrew DeWolf: I thought that was just maybe.

[6:15] Jesse McAnally: You're right. I'm pretty sure we literally watch the life of the person who was reborn.

[6:19] Andrew DeWolf: I thought they just picked up their life and decided a new lease, and we just got to see the beginning of it, but your version makes more sense too.

[6:28] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, I don't know. Um, and I guess everybody else just gets to go on a roller coaster for the rest of their existence.

[6:35] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know. They're not really clear with what happens to the rest of them.

[6:40] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, they go to hell or the afterlife, whatever that is, which is a swirly zoomy place.

[6:46] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, you know what? Cool, good shit. I hope the afterlife is like a roller coaster.

[6:50] Jesse McAnally: It'd be very fun.

[6:51] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I struggled with the show a bit.

[6:56] Jesse McAnally: And why is that?

[6:58] Andrew DeWolf: I don't know. There's some Canadian shows that I really like. I really liked Come From Away.

[7:03] Jesse McAnally: All right, here comes the Canadian slander.

[7:06] Andrew DeWolf: You just don't like Canada.

[7:07] Jesse McAnally: What other kind of musical are we gonna have? A hip-hop song by a Ukrainian white dude?

[7:13] Andrew DeWolf: None.

[7:14] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, I didn't love it. I did not love this show. I thought the book was clever. I thought the premise was fun. I liked a lot of the songs, specifically the Jane Doe songs.

[7:24] Andrew DeWolf: I think the staging effects are incredible, specifically like when Jane Doe starts spinning around and going upside down. Holy shit.

[7:31] Jesse McAnally: They give a proper thematic analysis of the Saw franchise.

[7:34] Andrew DeWolf: They do.

[7:35] Jesse McAnally: They really do. Which was shocking considering what we talked about last week.

[7:41] Andrew DeWolf: Um there are a lot of elements that I liked about it without it coming together as a whole that I thought was effective.

[7:48] Jesse McAnally: Now, that being said, like, did you find yourself really latching on to any of the characters?

[7:54] Andrew DeWolf: I think that was my biggest problem with the show is that no, not really. The thing that makes Spelling Bee so great that there are some hateable, detestable characters, but they kind of get axed off one by one, and you get stuck with the ones that are the sweetest and the most memorable.

[8:10] Jesse McAnally: And here you're kind of stuck trying to manage everyone, and therefore no one gets the attention they need.

[8:17] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I can definitely see that.

[8:19] Jesse McAnally: And it's a little bit. I kind of feel like it's a cop-out, the ending. Because they just have one character who isn't a character, and they decide that that's the person that should win or whatever.

[8:33] Andrew DeWolf: Because she didn't have a real life, and everyone else did. But it's like wouldn't it have been more interesting if they had to make a real choice?

[8:40] Jesse McAnally: Well, that doesn't make it not a real choice.

[8:43] Andrew DeWolf: I guess, but like once she sang her song, like it's just like, come on.

[8:47] Jesse McAnally: Well, it's like memory. It's like, and and it that's kind of just like a I don't know. It feels like a cop out.

[8:54] Andrew DeWolf: Like uh we couldn't really decide which one of these other characters should get it. So uh we just invented a character who is very obviously deserving of it.

[9:06] Jesse McAnally: But the thing is they do sell you hardcore on her being deserving it. Like that plot point worked for me specifically because I felt like they done the work.

[9:15] Andrew DeWolf: And that's where it is the most like Cats, because they just have a character that is like, well, obviously they're the choice.

[9:22] Jesse McAnally: Her literal twice.

[9:28] Andrew DeWolf: So we have all these very eccentric characters, these Canadian kids in this choir, and then we have one girl who's in a choir uniform that nobody knows who she is, and she was decapitated, so no one could identify her body.

[9:42] Jesse McAnally: The person that was their educator, their leader, had a heart attack right after the accident, so he can't identify her, so no one knows who she is, not even her in the afterlife.

[9:51] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[9:52] Jesse McAnally: Which honestly doesn't make sense to me. Like, shouldn't she know who she is? Why does nobody know who she is?

[9:58] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[9:59] Jesse McAnally: My thought was that it in in like this was me watching it. I thought it was a baby that died.

[10:06] Andrew DeWolf: No, that it's just because they hold up a baby doll.

[10:09] Jesse McAnally: I know, but like, wouldn't that have been a clever reveal? Like, oh, they can't remember anything because it was a baby.

[10:17] Andrew DeWolf: That actually would have made been pretty clever.

[10:20] Jesse McAnally: I see what you're going for there.

[10:22] Andrew DeWolf: And like nobody else knew it was a baby, but like it was. And they just didn't have anything else to put her in as far as outfits go.

[10:30] Jesse McAnally: I see that I love her song, by the way.

[10:32] Andrew DeWolf: Like, no, not like her song works in the same way the memory works, um, with a very big effect that is a very cool in the spectacle kind of way that we ask for in North American theater.

[10:44] Jesse McAnally: No, no, I know it. I mean, it's great.

[10:46] Andrew DeWolf: Um let's go through all the characters really quick, if you don't mind.

[10:49] Jesse McAnally: Okay, so one problem I have with this show is that the lead is unbearable.

[10:54] Andrew DeWolf: Ocean O'Connell Rosenberg.

[10:56] Jesse McAnally: Yes.

[10:56] Andrew DeWolf: A competitive overachiever who struggles to put others before herself. Her first big number is explaining why she is better than everyone else, um, trying to get Zoltar to believe that she is deserving of going back and living.

[11:09] Jesse McAnally: And she's because Zoltar has this thing where he reveals everything after the fact.

[11:13] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[11:13] Jesse McAnally: Um it's revealed later that it's actually gonna be a vote and not right away.

[11:19] Andrew DeWolf: So she thinks, oh sh, I'll just convince him that I'm better.

[11:22] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[11:22] Andrew DeWolf: Um the joke wears thin pretty quick, and you don't get enough emotional connection to why she's that way.

[11:30] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, and then the big like change, like character change at the end, is like sort of not abrupt, like it they do lead up to it, but it's like you don't feel like she's learning anything throughout the show until like right at the end.

[11:45] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[11:46] Jesse McAnally: But we do get her backstory. She like lives with like Uber hippie parents that like make her scoop her poop out of the toilet and put into the compost.

[11:54] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, which I don't even understand. Are they trying to say that that is why she is the way she is?

[11:59] Jesse McAnally: I don't know what they're trying to say. That's the thing that's very effective with Spelling Bee, is they have very linear connections between why the characters are this way and their parentage.

[12:10] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[12:10] Jesse McAnally: Which I think is one of the most effective themes in that story. Where here it just feels like everyone has a mess of emotions and uh it's just fun.

[12:19] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[12:20] Jesse McAnally: But she's unbearable, and she's like the lead. She's basically the main character.

[12:24] Andrew DeWolf: The other characters are also like it is an ensemble thing, but she gets the most time.

[12:28] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[12:29] Andrew DeWolf: She is the point of view, so to say. Outside of the amazing Karnic, who is the fortune telling machine.

[12:34] Jesse McAnally: And basically her entire story is just the entire time she wants to be the one that they pick.

[12:40] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and then at the very end, she decides, oh no, this other person should get it.

[12:44] Jesse McAnally: And that's that's the whole thing.

[12:45] Andrew DeWolf: And her argument is I have the best GPA, I'm like so hardworking, I do all this work. Look at me, look at me, look at me, I'm so great.

[12:50] Jesse McAnally: Um yeah, so bad character, not fun to watch.

[12:57] Andrew DeWolf: Like you can have an unlikable character and make them fun to watch.

[13:00] Jesse McAnally: Like um, what's his name?

[13:02] Andrew DeWolf: Um, the magic foot kid from Spelling Bee.

[13:06] Jesse McAnally: He is an unpleasant character who is fun to watch.

[13:09] Andrew DeWolf: The um the place where this show actually is good, I think, is that every other character is fun to watch.

[13:16] Jesse McAnally: Yes.

[13:17] Andrew DeWolf: Let's go to the next one.

[13:18] Jesse McAnally: Uh Noelle Gruber, the only homosexual in Uranium who has an obsession with French New Wave cinema and has a brilliant drag number.

[13:26] Andrew DeWolf: Uh excellent. Very good.

[13:27] Jesse McAnally: Very good stuff.

[13:29] Andrew DeWolf: Yep.

[13:29] Jesse McAnally: Um, sad they had to work at uh Taco Bell their whole life.

[13:33] Andrew DeWolf: Uh but you know, it's good.

[13:36] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, that's a great part. And the two boys kiss, and it's great.

[13:39] Andrew DeWolf: Yep.

[13:40] Jesse McAnally: Um, yeah, the other the other guy, well, not not the only other guy, there's one other, but the guy that he kisses is uh Misha.

[13:47] Andrew DeWolf: Who is like this hyper-masculine rapper who loves like Saw movies and stuff like that.

[13:53] Jesse McAnally: And his girlfriend.

[13:54] Andrew DeWolf: And his girlfriend who it's like the former prime minister of Ukraine or something.

[14:00] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, and she doesn't know he exists.

[14:02] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, and I guess after singing his number, he uh has an emotional break and realizes that he's uh compensating for something.

[14:10] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. Um yeah, um, I like Misha.

[14:15] Andrew DeWolf: I don't like his rap number. I really don't like his rap number.

[14:18] Jesse McAnally: I'm sick of white people rapping on Broadway.

[14:20] Andrew DeWolf: We'll Schuster ruin that for you guys. I'm sorry.

[14:21] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, but I mean, I feel like his is supposed to be kind of bad on purpose.

[14:26] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[14:26] Jesse McAnally: I don't know. I kind of dig it.

[14:28] Andrew DeWolf: He sounds like a SoundCloud rapper, and I I feel like they went for it.

[14:34] Jesse McAnally: They do rely a lot on autotune, and they make a lyric about it.

[14:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yep.

[14:38] Jesse McAnally: Um who else? There's uh the uh David Bowie type guy.

[14:44] Andrew DeWolf: Um the mute boy with a degenerative disease and an overactive imagination.

[14:49] Brianna Jones: A little ablist, a little ableist with that character.

[14:53] Andrew DeWolf: I suppose.

[14:54] Brianna Jones: Um, though I do love the song.

[14:56] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, the cat god number.

[14:59] Brianna Jones: Absolutely fantastic.

[15:00] Andrew DeWolf: I agree.

[15:01] Brianna Jones: That song it's the last fun moment in the show.

[15:04] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, basically.

[15:05] Brianna Jones: And then they decide now it's like now we're serious.

[15:07] Andrew DeWolf: Now we're a serious show.

[15:09] Brianna Jones: All of the women have serious numbers.

[15:11] Andrew DeWolf: The men men are are emotionless uh dummies.

[15:14] Brianna Jones: I will say O'Shen O'Connell has goofy numbers.

[15:18] Andrew DeWolf: Like she is goofy to a fault.

[15:22] Brianna Jones: True, true.

[15:22] Andrew DeWolf: But she does get the emotional cap of the story.

[15:25] Brianna Jones: You're right.

[15:26] Andrew DeWolf: She does get to make the choice.

[15:27] Brianna Jones: The jellical choice.

[15:28] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, she does get to make the gelical choice.

[15:31] Brianna Jones: Okay.

[15:31] Andrew DeWolf: And there's Constance, who is the last of the normals.

[15:35] Brianna Jones: Yeah, but she actually sings her song after uh Jane's.

[15:38] Andrew DeWolf: You're right.

[15:39] Brianna Jones: Let's talk about Jane Doe first.

[15:40] Andrew DeWolf: We we kind of talked about what her thing was, but Jane Doe is a nothing character, but on purpose.

[15:46] Brianna Jones: Uh, and the song is about how she's a nothing character but on purpose.

[15:50] Andrew DeWolf: But she floats up in the sky on a fucking like lever system.

[15:54] Brianna Jones: It's so fucking cool.

[15:55] Andrew DeWolf: She goes upside down.

[15:57] Brianna Jones: Very, very cool.

[15:58] Andrew DeWolf: Bree, look up that footage.

[15:59] Brianna Jones: Watch her do that.

[16:02] Andrew DeWolf: And the whole song sounds kind of like ghostly.

[16:06] Brianna Jones: Like jazz ghost.

[16:07] Andrew DeWolf: It feels like a song from over the garden wall, sincerely.

[16:10] Brianna Jones: It's it's very good.

[16:11] Andrew DeWolf: Um best part of the show for sure.

[16:14] Brianna Jones: Like the lighting, everything is so perfect about that scene.

[16:17] Andrew DeWolf: And I've seen TikTok footage of her learning how to sing upside down and having to figure out each cue and being able to like get her breath in at the right moment.

[16:25] Brianna Jones: Because I don't even I it's it in in more ways than one is this show like cats, because the other way is that this one song is like the entire reason to go see it.

[16:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but I'd still like if I heard this show is memory.

[16:41] Brianna Jones: Bree's I just see like the light in Bree's eyes as she's watching this happen.

[16:47] Andrew DeWolf: It looks really cool.

[16:49] Brianna Jones: Right?

[16:49] Andrew DeWolf: This is this is the memory number.

[16:52] Brianna Jones: Um, and it's very good.

[16:53] Andrew DeWolf: Uh then we have what's her name?

[16:56] Brianna Jones: Constance.

[16:57] Andrew DeWolf: Constance, the one who is which this is such a stereotypical relationship, like the the loser girl who is friends with the uh girl who doesn't know she that like doesn't know she exists, basically, but like is still her best friend, quote unquote.

[17:13] Brianna Jones: It's me and you.

[17:14] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I'm I'm the cool guy, and you're you're the loser.

[17:18] Brianna Jones: Yeah, obviously.

[17:19] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[17:20] Brianna Jones: We know how it is.

[17:21] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, if that's the way you think it is, sir.

[17:24] Brianna Jones: Yeah, of course.

[17:24] Andrew DeWolf: Um and she sings her song about how she had sex with a dude in an Iron Maiden shirt.

[17:29] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[17:30] Andrew DeWolf: Uh in a bathroom.

[17:33] Brianna Jones: A cardi.

[17:34] Andrew DeWolf: Just like a big thing.

[17:35] Brianna Jones: And she said it was a she said that she didn't even regret it.

[17:38] Andrew DeWolf: Well, she just wanted to get it done.

[17:40] Brianna Jones: And I respect the fuck out of that.

[17:41] Andrew DeWolf: Just like wanting to lose your virginity just so you can have it gone.

[17:45] Brianna Jones: Although, how old are these kids?

[17:47] Andrew DeWolf: Um it's okay.

[17:52] Brianna Jones: Don't think about it.

[17:55] Andrew DeWolf: Um and I think it's funny they they say the favorite ride of everybody, and her favorite ride is the cyclone.

[18:01] Brianna Jones: Yeah, the one that killed them.

[18:02] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[18:03] Brianna Jones: Uh so that's funny.

[18:04] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[18:04] Brianna Jones: Um, and yeah, and that's that's all the characters, and then at the very end they all die.

[18:10] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, at the very end, it's the Voltor guy or whatever.

[18:16] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[18:16] Andrew DeWolf: Voltaire tells them that uh oh, it's actually not a vote.

[18:21] Brianna Jones: Uh the one girl who has the highest GPA.

[18:25] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, Quiru would just vote for herself in a heartbeat.

[18:28] Brianna Jones: Uh she's the only one who gets a vote.

[18:30] Andrew DeWolf: Because, you know, we gotta have a lesson here.

[18:32] Brianna Jones: Every story's gotta have a lesson to quote the musical.

[18:35] Andrew DeWolf: Yep.

[18:35] Brianna Jones: And she decides that the story would have a terrible lesson if she just voted for herself.

[18:40] Andrew DeWolf: So she votes for the the person who actually deserves it.

[18:44] Brianna Jones: Andrew, do you believe that every story has to have a lesson?

[18:47] Andrew DeWolf: I believe that every story has a lesson, not that they have to.

[18:50] Brianna Jones: What's the lesson of the Star Wars holiday special?

[18:53] Andrew DeWolf: That they made a mistake.

[18:56] Brianna Jones: What's the lesson of Dear Evan Hansen?

[18:59] Andrew DeWolf: Um, the lesson of Deer of Enhanson is that it's cool to fuck a kid's sister.

[19:06] Brianna Jones: No, that's the That's the message of Game of Thrones.

[19:11] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, no, but I I don't think every story has to have a lesson that's like Aesop's fables, but I do think every story has a lesson in a way, regardless.

[19:19] Brianna Jones: So Chess, what what like you gotta elaborate here?

[19:22] Andrew DeWolf: Like, what what is going on with this show that you wanted to talk about so much?

[19:26] Brianna Jones: Um The Gen Z are really loving this show.

[19:31] Andrew DeWolf: Um I had never seen it properly um until now.

[19:35] Brianna Jones: I had seen the album cover, I have seen clips of it on the TikToks, I have seen a lot of other things.

[19:44] Andrew DeWolf: Um however, I have not seen it properly until now.

[19:49] Brianna Jones: I think it's a great album.

[19:50] Andrew DeWolf: I think the songs are pretty good.

[19:53] Brianna Jones: I think the book is pretty good.

[19:55] Andrew DeWolf: I don't think they work congruently together yet.

[19:59] Brianna Jones: Okay.

[19:59] Andrew DeWolf: What what do you like why?

[20:02] Brianna Jones: Um, I feel like this the book and story are much funnier than the songs, and that the songs feel like they're in a different show.

[20:10] Andrew DeWolf: And I feel like a lot of people that think they love this show have only listened to the album in the same way that they do with Deerman Hansen, where they tie together a plot that they think is going on in their head, but not quite.

[20:24] Brianna Jones: Like how Dear Evan Hansen is about a gay kid.

[20:27] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[20:28] Brianna Jones: Where they see a lot of ships they can make here that may not exist in the show or I mean to be fair, there are ships in here.

[20:28] Andrew DeWolf: There are ships in here.

[20:38] Brianna Jones: They're already there.

[20:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, and definitely is their Gen Z type ships.

[20:42] Brianna Jones: Yes.

[20:42] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I just feel like it's not quite as emotionally hitting as it wants to be.

[20:49] Brianna Jones: And I know there are a lot of fanfics, there are a lot of fan animations, and the way that each song is kind of about one individual character and kind of works as its own thing is effective in that way.

[21:01] Andrew DeWolf: But I did put out a tweet, as I always want to do, um, when I do don't quite know how the group consensus feels about this, where I ask people to describe their thoughts on the Rai the Cyclone.

[21:14] Brianna Jones: Um it's been interesting.

[21:17] Andrew DeWolf: Um I just like any big thoughts, and people are like, it's cats for Gen Z.

[21:22] Brianna Jones: And it's great.

[21:23] Andrew DeWolf: Or I don't like it, or I love it, or I think about it all the time, or I hate it.

[21:29] Brianna Jones: So I like it, but I'm cringing that it's like TikTok things.

[21:33] Andrew DeWolf: I think it legitimately is just better than cats.

[21:36] Brianna Jones: It is.

[21:37] Andrew DeWolf: Um, in a lot of ways.

[21:38] Brianna Jones: Uh so I'm I'm with you there.

[21:41] Andrew DeWolf: I I guess I don't I don't have a strong opinion on this show.

[21:44] Brianna Jones: I don't I don't really know.

[21:45] Andrew DeWolf: I don't I don't feel the hate, I don't feel the love.

[21:47] Brianna Jones: Um I just kind of I like the general like visual style of it.

[21:52] Andrew DeWolf: I like the inclusion of roller coasters, and I like a couple of the songs, and I like most of the characters.

[21:59] Brianna Jones: So and then I I hate one of the characters who happens to be the one you see like the most, and I'll be honest, I didn't find a lot of the humor super funny.

[22:11] Andrew DeWolf: If humor didn't really work for me, the characters are just usual Broadway fair, and I don't know, in the world of like this new world of Broadway theater where I want more strange loops, I want more things that are a little bit more biting with what they're trying to do.

[22:28] Brianna Jones: I would prefer this any day to say another Tootsie or another Mrs. Doubtfire.

[22:33] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, it's it's leagues better than that type of shit.

[22:38] Brianna Jones: But I think this is a great community theater show where everyone has a moment in the sun.

[22:43] Andrew DeWolf: You don't think it should go to Broadway though?

[22:45] Brianna Jones: No.

[22:45] Andrew DeWolf: But that's not even an in I don't think Little Shop should go to Broadway either.

[22:49] Brianna Jones: I think it just belongs in community theater.

[22:53] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, you know, fair enough.

[22:55] Brianna Jones: I think the composers are very talented.

[22:58] Andrew DeWolf: I like what they do, but didn't really yuck my yuck i I hate yucking other people's youngs, but I didn't love it.

[23:07] Brianna Jones: That's I think that's fair.

[23:09] Andrew DeWolf: Um although I think you're a lot more negative on this than you were on Goosebumps, and I would put them both in kind of the same tier.

[23:16] Brianna Jones: I agree.

[23:18] Andrew DeWolf: But Goosebumps kind of didn't quite have as upward a stream for me.

[23:26] Brianna Jones: So you're trying to you're trying to boost what's not being looked at, and you're trying to critique what is being seen as great.

[23:34] Andrew DeWolf: Well, the thing is Goosebumps and all that it was, it's kind of an incomplete incomplete piece because it's made for children.

[23:41] Brianna Jones: This was made as proper art that you pay hundreds of dollars to see in New York.

[23:47] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[23:47] Brianna Jones: So there is that difference.

[23:49] Andrew DeWolf: I am gonna grade on a little bit of a curve for like high quality children's entertainment and high quality adult to young adult entertainment.

[23:58] Brianna Jones: And that being said, this could just be incomplete work.

[24:01] Andrew DeWolf: Um because the highs are as high as you can get for a stage show.

[24:06] Brianna Jones: It has everything we love, it has awesome staging, it has awesome lighting, it has effects unlike anything else.

[24:12] Andrew DeWolf: Incredible.

[24:13] Brianna Jones: However, the character work, a little iffy.

[24:17] Andrew DeWolf: You do kind of whenever I enjoy the book for when it is, and I feel like it gets disrupted by the songs, and then when the song's ending, I feel like it's getting disrupted by the book.

[24:27] Brianna Jones: They don't seem to yeah, it is not a cohesive piece.

[24:31] Andrew DeWolf: I'm like four puzzles put together, and you've got some pieces that match and some that don't.

[24:36] Brianna Jones: They both could have made a really good good puzzle if they were taken apart and really figured out what it wanted to be.

[24:42] Andrew DeWolf: Well, why don't we look at um what other people think as well?

[24:46] Brianna Jones: All right, it's time to compare our opinions to those of New York and probably Canadian theater critics.

[24:51] Andrew DeWolf: It's time for previews.

[24:54] Brianna Jones: It's time for previews.

[24:59] Andrew DeWolf: It's time for previews.

[25:01] Brianna Jones: Okay.

[25:02] Andrew DeWolf: Um this one, this first one is from 2015.

[25:05] Brianna Jones: It says, Ride the Cyclone, and an unceasingly delightful new musical having its premiere at the Chicago Shakespeare Theater does bring a smidge of sad news.

[25:17] Andrew DeWolf: Apparently, the rivalries, insecurities, and peer-fearing angst of teenage years survive even beyond the grave.

[25:25] Brianna Jones: This show developed from a cabaret original produced in Canada, takes place in a ghostly carnival-esque nether world designed with ghoulish atmosphere by Scott Davis.

[25:36] Andrew DeWolf: The remnants of a rickety wooden roller coaster wrap around a small antique uhcinum.

[25:45] Brianna Jones: A small antique proscinium.

[25:48] Andrew DeWolf: While riding that creaky coaster, sixteenth, all members of a school choir met their gruesome ends when their car lep leaped from the tracks.

[25:58] Brianna Jones: This may sound like a singularly weird idea for a musical, but ride the cyclone with book, music, and lyrics by Jacob Richman and Brooke Maxwell.

[26:07] Andrew DeWolf: Straight A's across the board.

[26:09] Brianna Jones: Couldn't be less of a downer.

[26:11] Andrew DeWolf: It's a witty, small-scaled show of immense sweetness and originality, like a macabre Funhouse variation on the 25th annual Putnam County Fair.

[26:22] Brianna Jones: County on the the 25th annual Putnam County.

[26:25] Andrew DeWolf: Putnam County Spelling Belling B.

[26:27] Brianna Jones: I don't know why I said County Fair.

[26:29] Andrew DeWolf: You know what I'm thinking about.

[26:30] Brianna Jones: Oh yeah.

[26:31] Andrew DeWolf: Or a mad cab comic riff on the Final Destination movies played backward.

[26:38] Brianna Jones: That's about right.

[26:39] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[26:40] Brianna Jones: Jess hasn't seen the Final Destination movies either he's talking about.

[26:43] Andrew DeWolf: Um the only thing I know about Final Destination is what it has come from you.

[26:47] Brianna Jones: Sincerely.

[26:49] Andrew DeWolf: And you told me there was like a roller coaster accident in the third one?

[26:49] Brianna Jones: In the third one, they die in a roller coaster, yes.

[26:54] Andrew DeWolf: Not a wooden one, a steal one, but um yeah.

[26:59] Brianna Jones: I'm fairly I don't know.

[27:03] Andrew DeWolf: Like the there is the final destination side of it, but that's like offstage, off-screen and all that.

[27:09] Brianna Jones: I don't think they play into that very much, honestly.

[27:11] Andrew DeWolf: The roller coaster thing is very much just a set piece.

[27:15] Brianna Jones: Uh it's like Beetlejuice.

[27:17] Andrew DeWolf: You don't really see the death.

[27:19] Brianna Jones: Yeah, you don't see the stuff like that, which I don't know how you would even do that really.

[27:24] Andrew DeWolf: So I'm not upset about that.

[27:26] Brianna Jones: Um obviously they use the uh ride the cyclone thing, the the roller coaster of life, the ups and downs.

[27:35] Andrew DeWolf: That's that's what they're trying to do.

[27:37] Brianna Jones: So, you know.

[27:39] Andrew DeWolf: Uh this person's very, very positive, but um I think that that's I don't think that he's wrong about anything.

[27:45] Brianna Jones: I I feel like uh yeah, it's a smaller scale, like yeah, but with it does have very, very big moments.

[27:52] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but that's good.

[27:54] Brianna Jones: I don't know.

[27:54] Andrew DeWolf: Like I we say small scale, but the big moments are really big.

[27:59] Brianna Jones: It's also shorter, it's like an hour and a half.

[28:02] Andrew DeWolf: It is like a smaller type of musical, and I think that it's done really well.

[28:06] Brianna Jones: I I do appreciate that aspect.

[28:07] Andrew DeWolf: And I don't even think this is bad.

[28:09] Brianna Jones: I think it's just unfinished.

[28:10] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[28:11] Brianna Jones: Um, so there's another review from November 30th of the next year from the same person.

[28:16] Andrew DeWolf: Let's go.

[28:16] Brianna Jones: Can we read that as well?

[28:17] Andrew DeWolf: This is Charles Isherwood.

[28:18] Brianna Jones: Let's see if their opinion changed.

[28:20] Andrew DeWolf: I'll read this one, Brie, if you want.

[28:22] Brianna Jones: Okay.

[28:22] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that's fine.

[28:24] If your knees go weak at the mere sight of a roller coaster, you should shrink in your seat whenever a six flag commercial comes on television.

[28:31] Brianna Jones: You may want to think twice before snapping up a ticket to ride the cyclone.

[28:34] Andrew DeWolf: A musical comedy about odd as it seems, a gruesome accident at an amusement park that takes the lives of six teenagers.

[28:41] Brianna Jones: Doesn't sound like something worth say singing and dancing about, does it?

[28:45] Andrew DeWolf: But for all who aren't coaster phobes, this delightfully weird and just plain delightful show, which opened on Wednesday at the Lucille Lortel Theater will provide the kind of thrills we look for in musical comedies, however outlandish their subject matter.

[28:59] Brianna Jones: An engaging and varied score, knocked out of the park by a superlative cast and a supremely witty book.

[29:05] Andrew DeWolf: I do like the book a lot, like, but if this is one of those things where it doesn't feel cohesive.

[29:12] Brianna Jones: The book and the score feel like two very different human beings wrote them.

[29:16] Andrew DeWolf: This guy really loves the uh the roller coaster part of this, even though a minor aspect of it.

[29:23] Brianna Jones: But he wastes so much time uh talking about it in this review.

[29:32] Andrew DeWolf: The idea, and I like the fact this is an original musical, like a proper original musical.

[29:37] Brianna Jones: That is rare.

[29:39] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I guess one thing on the roller coaster thing, uh the one character has a song where they mention the roller coaster and they talk about going over loops.

[29:47] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[29:48] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and they make it sound like the coaster derailed on a loop, but it's a wooden roller coaster.

[29:53] Brianna Jones: They don't have loops.

[29:54] Andrew DeWolf: Um, have you ridden the Son of Beast in King's Island?

[29:57] Brianna Jones: That had a loop.

[29:58] Andrew DeWolf: That's like the only one.

[30:00] Brianna Jones: And it had a loop?

[30:01] Andrew DeWolf: It did.

[30:02] Brianna Jones: It fucked a loop.

[30:03] Andrew DeWolf: It fucked a lot of people.

[30:05] Brianna Jones: I've ridden that, but it had a loop.

[30:07] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, so halfway through its life, they took the loop out because too many people got hurt.

[30:13] Brianna Jones: But I did ride it when it had a loop.

[30:15] Andrew DeWolf: I'm looking this up.

[30:16] Brianna Jones: Not that I don't think that's a good one.

[30:17] Andrew DeWolf: That thing was like a death trap, but that's like the only wooden coaster that's like ever had a loop.

[30:20] Brianna Jones: Didn't that wooden coaster you rode um while we were at CJ Berrymores have a loop in it?

[30:26] Andrew DeWolf: That wasn't wooden, that was a steel coaster.

[30:28] Brianna Jones: Oh, was it?

[30:28] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[30:29] Brianna Jones: That was like a portable steel coaster.

[30:32] Andrew DeWolf: It was fun though.

[30:33] Brianna Jones: It was a good time.

[30:34] Andrew DeWolf: I rode that thing twice.

[30:36] Brianna Jones: Yeah, I went on the zip line instead.

[30:38] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I was too much of a pussy to go on the zip line because I didn't want some apathetic teenager to kill me because it was windy and weather so apathetic uh teenager kill you on the roller coaster.

[30:49] Brianna Jones: Yes, I would.

[30:52] Andrew DeWolf: Are you seeing the loop free?

[30:54] Brianna Jones: I am, and I'm having like weird flashbacks.

[30:57] Andrew DeWolf: I'm pretty sure I've rode this too, which is more.

[31:00] Brianna Jones: They did uh well, they destroyed the whole ride now.

[31:02] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but yeah, now it's all gone.

[31:04] Brianna Jones: Yeah, they could so apparently the cyclone is um is a Son of Beast-esque ride.

[31:10] Andrew DeWolf: Um yeah, uh they rode the Son of Beast and died.

[31:15] Brianna Jones: Like so many others who went to King's Island.

[31:21] Andrew DeWolf: Good stuff.

[31:22] Brianna Jones: Um, alright.

[31:23] Andrew DeWolf: Do we agree with those reviews?

[31:25] Brianna Jones: Well, you clearly don't.

[31:26] Andrew DeWolf: I think that they're a bit overly positive to the point where they're like advertisements, but I do agree, they do feel a little bit more like their ad campaign than it does a proper like critique.

[31:38] Brianna Jones: But I do think it's okay to be positive about stuff you like, and it seems like this guy really enjoyed it.

[31:43] Andrew DeWolf: So I think that's great.

[31:46] Brianna Jones: Sincerely.

[31:47] Andrew DeWolf: Um, how about we go into a mid show and then talk about some songs?

[31:51] Brianna Jones: Sure thing.

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[34:04] Jesse McAnally: Let's talk about the songs.

[34:06] Andrew DeWolf: We talked about the book a lot, so we didn't our opening.

[34:21] Brianna Jones: Uh it's there's like three openings that kind of build up to one.

[34:25] Andrew DeWolf: I like the opening with the rat that plays bass.

[34:27] Brianna Jones: I love the rat that plays bass.

[34:29] Andrew DeWolf: I thought you were gonna like really love that, sincerely.

[34:32] Brianna Jones: I thought it was pretty funny, but uh it didn't like come back or anything, so I didn't like it.

[34:36] Andrew DeWolf: Kinda did at the end, because it killed him.

[34:38] Brianna Jones: Yes, it does, it does eventually kill him.

[34:41] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, and it doesn't play bass again, though.

[34:43] Brianna Jones: No, you're right.

[34:44] Andrew DeWolf: Um, the album is fascinating to me, specifically the cast album.

[34:47] Brianna Jones: So you know how we have like Carnak, that's the guy's name.

[34:51] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[34:52] Brianna Jones: Um, the cast album is interesting because it breaks the fourth wall in a way that it tells you it's an album.

[34:58] Andrew DeWolf: Really?

[34:59] Brianna Jones: Yeah, it'll be like this part won't make sense because it's an album and you need context, so just enjoy the song.

[35:05] Andrew DeWolf: Like that's the kind of shit it'll do.

[35:06] Brianna Jones: And I'm like, Do they have um do they have the guy say it?

[35:09] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, Karnak says it.

[35:11] Brianna Jones: And I'm kinda I think that's a good thing.

[35:12] Andrew DeWolf: That is funny.

[35:12] Brianna Jones: That's good.

[35:13] Andrew DeWolf: That's kind of genius.

[35:14] Brianna Jones: I love it.

[35:15] Andrew DeWolf: Sincerely, that's probably one of my favorite parts.

[35:17] Brianna Jones: And part of the reason why this show is probably taken off the way it did is because of that brilliant use of its album.

[35:23] Andrew DeWolf: So of the humor in the show, I do think that um the the Karnak guy is is the best part.

[35:30] Brianna Jones: I agree.

[35:31] Andrew DeWolf: I think it's very, very funny the way that he is such a calming, passive-aggressive presence.

[35:39] Brianna Jones: Yeah, I I love the um I'm gonna tell you stuff after you've already screwed everything up.

[35:45] Andrew DeWolf: Like, that's funny.

[35:46] Brianna Jones: But it's in a way where you actually believe he was gonna explain it eventually.

[35:50] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, you just you just jump the gun.

[35:52] Brianna Jones: Which is a great foil for the ocean character.

[35:56] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[35:57] Brianna Jones: Not good enough to justify how annoying that character is.

[36:01] Andrew DeWolf: But I do want Bree to play a little clip of the first track on the album where it literally says, This is the talking part of the album that'll ruin your entire playlist.

[36:10] Brianna Jones: So you already know you're in for a good time.

[36:13] Andrew DeWolf: And welcome to the Ride the Cyclone album, where through my years of prognostication, I've realized that the only thing that makes less money than theater is releasing an album on a streaming service.

[36:27] Brianna Jones: Yes.

[36:28] Andrew DeWolf: This is the talking part of the album that you will remove from the playlist in future rotations.

[36:33] Brianna Jones: Or perhaps you are listening to the Son of Vinyl record and have to go through the painstaking process of skipping this track manually.

[36:40] Andrew DeWolf: I'm just like, this is great.

[36:42] Brianna Jones: That was that I am more sold on the album than I was the actual show.

[36:46] Andrew DeWolf: Which is a bummer, honestly.

[36:48] Brianna Jones: So, what song should we talk about?

[36:50] Andrew DeWolf: The first real song is probably the Uranium Suite, where they it has like the rats and they set up all the kids.

[37:04] Brianna Jones: That's our town, our highway town.

[37:08] Andrew DeWolf: The sky is almost blue.

[37:09] Brianna Jones: Here, great elevators, too.

[37:11] Andrew DeWolf: Here the pride and joyous rate Saskatchewan.

[37:15] Brianna Jones: We came here for the half-life and stayed here for our whole life.

[37:18] Andrew DeWolf: To give the whole wide world blue Tony.

[37:28] Brianna Jones: I think that one is really cool.

[37:29] Andrew DeWolf: I think the whole like intro is really cool.

[37:32] Brianna Jones: Um visually, yes.

[37:34] Andrew DeWolf: Visually, yes, for sure.

[37:36] Brianna Jones: The rat thing is funny, Karnak is just great, and this is when he gets to be like alone.

[37:41] Andrew DeWolf: Um it sets up the world.

[37:43] Brianna Jones: But uh, really when the show actually starts is when they're all there.

[37:48] Andrew DeWolf: And that makes what I think to be the first real number to be uh what the world needs.

[37:53] Brianna Jones: Yep, is people like me, and that's ocean's big look it's me song.

[37:58] Andrew DeWolf: The world needs this people like me to keep it all spinning around.

[38:02] Brianna Jones: I'll move on, shake on the head, and make them I get it, I get up, and no one's gonna keep me down.

[38:12] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, it's clear on the top of this class.

[38:15] Brianna Jones: These folks here while they pump the gas.

[38:17] Andrew DeWolf: Fetch me a coffee, shine my shoes.

[38:19] Brianna Jones: Some of us are winners, some we're born to lose.

[38:22] Andrew DeWolf: You got the sandwich artist, the security guard, the Walmart greeter with an overdrawn credit card.

[38:27] Brianna Jones: He's so scanja, ooh, it's so groovy to stay at home and watch a Transformer movie.

[38:32] Andrew DeWolf: Which is very funny, because obviously, what the world needs is less people like her because she is self-absorbed and horrible.

[38:39] Brianna Jones: Um, so that is the joke.

[38:41] Andrew DeWolf: Do you get the joke?

[38:42] Brianna Jones: Because that's the that's her character's joke for the entire rest of the show.

[38:45] Andrew DeWolf: She tells her best friend that the world needs more organ donors.

[38:49] Brianna Jones: Yes.

[38:51] Andrew DeWolf: Um but she's also the worst part is in this song, she goes one by one through every other person and explains why they shouldn't get it.

[39:00] Brianna Jones: Why they aren't worthy of life.

[39:02] Andrew DeWolf: Yes, which I wish there was a song like this in Cats.

[39:05] Brianna Jones: Like this could be McCavity.

[39:06] Andrew DeWolf: So honestly, that would have been very fun.

[39:08] Brianna Jones: I'm gonna read some lyrics real quick.

[39:10] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, it's clear I'm the type of this class, and these folks here will they pump the gas.

[39:13] Brianna Jones: Or fetch me a coffee, shine my shoes.

[39:15] Andrew DeWolf: Some of us are winners and some are born to lose.

[39:17] Brianna Jones: You got a sandwich artist, a security guard, the Walmart greeter, and an overdrawn credit card.

[39:22] Andrew DeWolf: He smokes smokes the ganja.

[39:24] Brianna Jones: Ooh, it's groovy to stay at home and watch an Adam Sandler movie.

[39:27] Andrew DeWolf: She serves me Coke and medium fries, and no thanks, I don't want it super size.

[39:31] Brianna Jones: Cause that's low class, diabetes in a cup to keep your head down, thing things will look up.

[39:36] Andrew DeWolf: So I think the joke with her backstory is that she ends up being the opposite of what her parents are.

[39:41] Brianna Jones: Like almost like she hates them?

[39:44] Andrew DeWolf: Because like they say that her parents are like hippie Marxist types, right?

[39:49] Brianna Jones: And then they go out of their way and they use these words.

[39:51] Andrew DeWolf: They say that she becomes a capitalist or whatever.

[39:54] Brianna Jones: Um they say that in the show.

[39:56] Andrew DeWolf: That's not me adding politics or whatever the fuck.

[39:58] Brianna Jones: So is she supposed to be like a classist like piece of shit?

[40:03] Andrew DeWolf: Yep.

[40:04] Brianna Jones: I've earned everything I've gotten.

[40:06] Andrew DeWolf: The usual fucking capitalist talking points, Elon Musk bullshit.

[40:11] Brianna Jones: She's uh yeah, she's Elon Musk.

[40:13] Andrew DeWolf: Which I guess, yeah, when you make Elon Musk in a show, he's going to be the most hateable thing ever because that's what he is in real life, but I yeah, this song, I mean, there then there's the th you've brought this up many times before, where if a character is meant to be annoying, but it still annoys you, does that give it a free pass?

[40:33] Brianna Jones: And you've always argued no.

[40:35] Andrew DeWolf: No, because when you make a character annoying on purpose, uh, congratulations, you have annoyed the audience.

[40:42] Brianna Jones: Charge our Bink syndrome.

[40:44] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[40:44] Brianna Jones: You don't get to go, oh well, they're annoying on purpose.

[40:47] Andrew DeWolf: We're going home.

[40:49] Brianna Jones: Oh, okay.

[40:50] Andrew DeWolf: Now I get it.

[40:50] Brianna Jones: Now I'm no longer annoyed.

[40:52] Andrew DeWolf: Thank you.

[40:53] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[40:54] Andrew DeWolf: Let's talk about Noel's Lament.

[40:57] Brianna Jones: Uh, the French new wave kind of song.

[40:59] Andrew DeWolf: I fucking love this song.

[41:01] Brianna Jones: The song's great.

[41:03] Andrew DeWolf: This entire scene is great.

[41:04] Brianna Jones: I write poems to burn by fire light.

[41:10] Andrew DeWolf: Drink champagne and guzzle chin.

[41:15] Brianna Jones: Good girls, call me the town bicycle.

[41:19] Andrew DeWolf: Don't knock it till you have tried my life a sin.

[41:24] Brianna Jones: Oh, Claude, my pimp nose never mess with me.

[41:29] Andrew DeWolf: Last prick did that faded quick to black.

[41:34] Brianna Jones: I have no idea where to find him, officers.

[41:38] Andrew DeWolf: But if you do please mention that I'd like to have returned the pretty knife that I stuck ten times in his back.

[41:46] Brianna Jones: I didn't see this song coming.

[41:48] Andrew DeWolf: I'm gonna be real.

[41:49] Brianna Jones: The character seemed more like he was just like I mean, he he was the gay guy when they introduced him, right?

[41:55] Andrew DeWolf: Um I thought he was just gonna sing about like small town gay people blues, which I'm sure there's a lot of those.

[42:01] Brianna Jones: Um, but no, it's it's all out.

[42:04] Andrew DeWolf: It's like a uh a showstopper number.

[42:06] Brianna Jones: It's not a boohoo number either.

[42:08] Andrew DeWolf: No, it's like uh I wish my life sucked more.

[42:11] Brianna Jones: Like my life didn't suck enough.

[42:13] Andrew DeWolf: Like, like damn.

[42:13] Brianna Jones: People were too respectful of me.

[42:17] Andrew DeWolf: It's very weird.

[42:18] Brianna Jones: Uh, but I kind of interesting.

[42:20] Andrew DeWolf: I kind of dig it.

[42:22] Brianna Jones: Um, and yeah, very cool.

[42:24] Andrew DeWolf: Um, I I like it describes an entire nor narrative.

[42:31] Brianna Jones: Like, I want to be that fucked up girl.

[42:33] Andrew DeWolf: He said, I think I'm in love with you.

[42:34] Brianna Jones: I've heard that lie a million times before.

[42:36] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, tonight I give in to the fantasy.

[42:37] Brianna Jones: Take love where you can when you're a whore.

[42:39] Andrew DeWolf: For I sing songs until the break of dawn.

[42:41] Brianna Jones: I embrace a new man every night.

[42:43] Andrew DeWolf: My life's never ending carnival with a boozy flozy flashing light.

[42:47] Brianna Jones: I want to be that fucked up girl.

[42:48] Andrew DeWolf: Now so now I sell my love for opium and some rat-infested Chinese dive.

[42:53] Brianna Jones: At night I burn myself with cigarettes just to somehow prove I'm still alive.

[42:58] Andrew DeWolf: It's like a romanticized like misery that he wants.

[43:02] Brianna Jones: It's it's kind of funny.

[43:04] Andrew DeWolf: I think it's brilliant.

[43:07] Brianna Jones: And just the costume at the same time, incredible.

[43:10] Andrew DeWolf: And he's such a um a massive difference from the other character that just had sung their song.

[43:16] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[43:17] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and those two characters absolutely hate each other.

[43:20] Brianna Jones: With good reason.

[43:21] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[43:22] Brianna Jones: So you're like, who which one of them is gonna break?

[43:24] Andrew DeWolf: Like who's gonna vote for who, you know?

[43:26] Brianna Jones: Um Right.

[43:27] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it w it this is the point where the mystery is still alive of what's gonna happen.

[43:33] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[43:33] Andrew DeWolf: Because until Jane Doe actually sings, you don't know a hundred percent that it's no, you think she's gonna be a fun comic relief character that's just like dark and brooding.

[43:41] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[43:42] Andrew DeWolf: You almost expect her song to be about how like I'm not gonna vote for anybody, because I just want us all to be dead.

[43:48] Brianna Jones: Um, but I think like the best and funniest and most engaging song that is also somehow kind of emotional, um, is the space um space age bachelor man.

[43:59] Brianna Jones: Yes.

[44:20] Andrew DeWolf: Make love to me, Ricky.

[44:26] Brianna Jones: Okay.

[44:27] Andrew DeWolf: But there's one more small thing. Won't you please help save our galaxy?

[44:33] Andrew DeWolf: Ricky? Um, please explain the song, Andrew.

[44:36] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, the one kid has an overactive imagination or whatever. Because he was a mute in real life when he was alive.

[44:43] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[44:44] Andrew DeWolf: Sadly, that is the reason that they give this character this backstory. It's okay. We'll talk about the song. It's still a good song.

[44:51] Brianna Jones: Yes.

[44:52] Andrew DeWolf: Um, he thinks he's like the head of a religion almost. Like in his head. He's like, he's in like a space religion, um, and he gets asked to have sex with like aliens and shit.

[45:04] Andrew DeWolf: I'm pretty sure that that is the story that he tells. Um, it's hard to say if he thinks it's real or if he is just really into it, but it's a sick song in like that glam rock kind of style. Um, and they have cats.

[45:18] Brianna Jones: A lot of cats.

[45:19] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. I feel like they're trying to do um, uh, Ziggy Stardust, you know?

[45:24] Brianna Jones: Ziggy Stardust via Skimbleshanks.

[45:27] Andrew DeWolf: Yes. Um, it's really cool, and it ends with uh him immediately saying that he is not participating or not allowing people to vote for him.

[45:36] Andrew DeWolf: He can see seeds. Um, because that would be the cool thing for a cool guy like him to do. Specifically, the one rule of his religion is don't be a dick.

[45:45] Brianna Jones: He says that.

[45:46] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, and of course, what's the most dick thing to do is get people to vote for yourself.

[45:50] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[45:52] Andrew DeWolf: And you know what? Fair. Um, but we've built this up to what is the best song in the show. The one where she spins upside down and dances.

[46:02] Andrew DeWolf: The ballad of Jane Doe. Holy shit, this song.

[46:06] Andrew DeWolf: There's just one lingering fear. Oh my song. Is it here? Or is it rotting somewhere with my head.

[46:19] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my soul. Oh my soul. Oh my soul.

[46:50] Andrew DeWolf: There's not really a ton more to say about it, because we've already talked a bunch about it, but it's just really freaking good. My God. Uh, look up a performance of it and listen to it. Like it's like this ghostly jazzy thing, and she floats around the stage, and it's just, it is the memory of this show. Um, except for the other songs in the show don't all suck, so it's a little better than Cats.

[47:12] Brianna Jones: Yeah, I mean, the basic emotion of the song is Jane is fearful that she'll never find herself again. Um, trying to figure out uh any kind of relationship at birth or anything like that.

[47:23] Andrew DeWolf: Um, they gave her a name Savannah.

[47:26] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[47:27] Andrew DeWolf: They don't, I don't think they actually tell us her real name ever.

[47:29] Brianna Jones: No.

[47:30] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, Jane Doe or Savannah are the only things we get. At the very end, and people are gonna say this because they're gonna say we got it wrong. They give her a name, but I'm pretty sure the name that is given is the new name that she gets when she is reborn.

[47:42] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[47:43] Andrew DeWolf: And I do not think that that is the same name that she had before. Like the most I think the line that really sums it up is, "Oh St. Peter, let me in, you must know where I've been. Won't you tell me at last who I am?"

[47:54] Brianna Jones: Pegging St. Peter at the gates of having to at least not even let her into heaven, but tell her who she was.

[48:00] Andrew DeWolf: I don't even fully understand what the idea behind this character was. My personal story, and I already said it was this was a baby that died, which I feel like would have been a good twist because it would explain some stuff a little bit, but like why did she forget everything?

[48:14] Andrew DeWolf: Is it that just what happens when you get decapitated when you die? You lose the brain part of your thinking? Like, is that the uh, the canon of this universe? Is if you get decapitated, you forget everything in the afterlife? Like, I don't know.

[48:29] Brianna Jones: I don't know.

[48:29] Andrew DeWolf: I haven't died yet.

[48:30] Brianna Jones: Well, when you and I die in that roller coaster accident with Bree in King's Island on the Son of Beast, um, we'll figure that out together.

[48:37] Andrew DeWolf: We're gonna have to go back in time for this one.

[48:39] Brianna Jones: What was that? Her head wasn't found, it's gotta be somewhere in the park.

[48:42] Andrew DeWolf: No, apparently not. I feel like it got crushed by the car.

[48:45] Brianna Jones: Yeah. Probably. Man, I what would be the worst way to die in a roller coaster? Would it be the fall? Would it be like being crushed? Like, what would be the thing that kills you if a roller coaster, like what kills you?

[48:58] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, realistically, if you're gonna die in a roller coaster, it's probably gonna be like a heart attack or something. Because you probably had a heart condition and you went on the roller coaster, and that's probably what's gonna kill you.

[49:09] Brianna Jones: A woman recently was killed by a roller coaster. Do you guys hear about that story?

[49:12] Andrew DeWolf: No, I did see the video of the kid killed by like the up and down thing because they didn't restrain him properly.

[49:19] Brianna Jones: No, I think this was somewhere in Europe, maybe I could be wrong. But um, there was like her phone fell out of her pocket when she was on the ride, and like she like tried to go under the coaster to get her phone afterwards.

[49:34] Andrew DeWolf: Really, this shit again, they keep doing people keep doing this.

[49:37] Brianna Jones: I know, and she got hit by the coast like the roller coaster.

[49:41] Andrew DeWolf: That's a sure firewave.

[49:46] Brianna Jones: I know. It's so sad. Like, I don't know. It's it is sad, but like I have some sympathy, but like also don't fucking do that.

[49:54] Andrew DeWolf: Right. I mean, like, typically roller coasters are gated off. Like, I don't like how you even get in there.

[50:01] Brianna Jones: They are, I believe, legally gated off. You can't get in there without climbing shit.

[50:06] Andrew DeWolf: Right. Oh my god. I mean, roller coasters I'm too old for them now. I think I finally hit that age where I'm just like I can't do it anymore.

[50:14] Brianna Jones: No, they're fun. You're never too old for roller coasters.

[50:17] Andrew DeWolf: Dude, get out of here. I will say you know about Mean Streak Henry?

[50:21] Brianna Jones: I've no this guy back when Mean Streak was a coaster at Cedar Point.

[50:26] Andrew DeWolf: Yes. Before it was Steel Vengeance, this guy was like 78 years old and he went on it like 10,000 times.

[50:32] Brianna Jones: Is he has he written the Steel Vengeance yet?

[50:36] Andrew DeWolf: I believe he has, but I can't find his statement on it or anything.

[50:40] Brianna Jones: I won't. I didn't like Steel Vengeance. I didn't like dislike it. I think it's like the best roller coaster I've ever been on.

[50:46] Andrew DeWolf: Really? Phenomenal.

[50:47] Brianna Jones: I prefer like Magnum XL, even the Nutcrusher 9000s.

[50:52] Andrew DeWolf: Insane.

[50:53] Brianna Jones: You are absolutely insane.

[50:54] Andrew DeWolf: Okay, why?

[50:56] Brianna Jones: It what the only things that are good about the Magnum XL is how much airtime it has. And the Steel Vengeance has like twice as much airtime.

[51:03] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, but I don't, I can at least have my phone on me when I get on the fucking Magnum.

[51:08] Brianna Jones: What? Steel Vengeance, they take your phone.

[51:13] Andrew DeWolf: I don't want it because I want my phone on me.

[51:16] Brianna Jones: Your enjoyment of the roller coaster is dependent on if you're going to be able to do it. If I'm gonna sit in a three-hour line a little bit a three-hour line. I waited like 15 minutes to go on Steel Vengeance.

[51:27] Andrew DeWolf: Why did they change it to the Steel Vengeance?

[51:29] Brianna Jones: Mean Streak was kind of falling up on the floor.

[51:31] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, the Mean Streak was like shit.

[51:33] Brianna Jones: It looks like this. Hold on. It looks like the same roller coaster.

[51:37] Andrew DeWolf: It is. It's refurbished it with uh steel a fully steel I-beam track or whatever. Um, it's still kind of a wood coaster.

[51:46] Brianna Jones: Yeah. No, they should not have kept it because Rocky Mountain construction, they're my boys. Make the best roller coasters out there.

[51:52] Andrew DeWolf: How do you feel about the Millennium Force?

[51:56] Brianna Jones: Oh, that was really good. I love it.

[51:57] Andrew DeWolf: I tend to black out on it.

[51:59] Brianna Jones: What? That was really good, but I went to Carowinds and went on the Fury 325, which is like the Millennium Force, but taller, and that one was better.

[52:09] Andrew DeWolf: One day I want to take you both to Kennywood because Kennywood it's in the Pennsylvania Mountains. So while the rides are just kind of medium high, they're on a fucking mountain. So you feel like you're 900 feet high. And it's that's wild.

[52:23] Brianna Jones: It's fucking crazy. It's a three-hour drive. We can do it. Kennywood's a blast.

[52:27] Andrew DeWolf: I'm down. All right. So this episode about roller coasters is brought to you by Ride the Cyclone.

[52:35] Brianna Jones: Um, I would honestly love to talk about roller coasters and theme parks. Like, uh, I know your favorite ride in the whole world is the haunted mansion in Disney World, Andrew.

[52:43] Andrew DeWolf: Um, It's so good.

[52:45] Brianna Jones: That one's fine. Dark rides are so boring though.

[52:50] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, I can't fell asleep.

[52:54] Brianna Jones: Air conditioning, Andrew.

[52:56] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, no, I mean there's good stuff. But Disney, like Darkride World is is like oh my god. Build some fucking roller coasters, Disney. What the fuck are you doing?

[53:05] Brianna Jones: If I'm going for rides, I'm probably going to Cedar Point over Disney.

[53:10] Andrew DeWolf: Oh absolutely.

[53:11] Brianna Jones: Yeah. Disney has like three good roller coasters and they're all in different parks.

[53:15] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah. You have to like visit three different parks to go on these three roller coasters.

[53:19] Brianna Jones: Um, I will do I see I like Pirates of the Caribbean because it has the hill, and I like Splash Mountain because of all that.

[53:28] Andrew DeWolf: Because of the racism?

[53:30] Brianna Jones: No. I like the animatronics and I like the fast thing down a hill.

[53:35] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. I'm a big fan of animatronics. I wish that more. When is our animatronic episode coming out?

[53:43] Brianna Jones: This is it.

[53:45] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, we're not gonna release the uh Oh oh that one's coming out on Monday.

[53:49] Brianna Jones: Um, they will have already heard it.

[53:51] Andrew DeWolf: Excellent. Animatronics are cool, right, fellas?

[53:56] Brianna Jones: Animatronics with cheese.

[53:57] Andrew DeWolf: Animatronics with cheese. Um, yeah. Endoskeleton, Five Nights at Freddy's, Scott Cawthon.

[54:03] Brianna Jones: Oh god. You're just making up words again, Andrew. You can't be doing this anymore.

[54:07] Andrew DeWolf: Um, on that note, what is your overall thoughts and your cheese rating, Andrew?

[54:14] Andrew DeWolf: Um, so my overall thought is that this is generally pretty good. And I can see why it would get hype. Um, and I think especially that the songs are the strongest. Um, so I would listen to the album, and yeah, that's uh, that's where I'd leave it.

[54:39] Andrew DeWolf: As far as um, a cheese rating, what the fuck is this?

[54:46] Andrew DeWolf: I'm gonna give it a cheddar cheese roller coaster potato rings.

[54:51] Brianna Jones: You dirty deck my daughters.

[54:54] Andrew DeWolf: I took yours. I was just looking at these, I was like, wait, that's fucking cool. They're like these little potato rings that are called roller coaster rings, and they are made with potatoes and cheese. Uh, these are probably some sort of European food.

[55:08] Brianna Jones: Yeah, I would assume.

[55:10] Andrew DeWolf: I like the packaging though. It'd be very cool if they were Canadian, but I didn't look that up, so all right, Bree. What did you think of our discussion and your cheese rating of that?

[55:20] Brianna Jones: Love the discussion. You guys did convince me that I want to see this. Um, I know that you think it's a little overrated, Jess, but it does sound like it could be nice.

[55:31] Andrew DeWolf: Not overrated, disjointed.

[55:33] Brianna Jones: Okay, disjointed. No, you think it's overrated. You think it's overrated. You're sick of the TikTokers. You're you I know what you're talking about.

[55:40] Andrew DeWolf: I mean, I don't want to see it every time I open my phone.

[55:43] Brianna Jones: Okay. I'm not on TikTok, so I don't have to deal with it.

[55:46] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I mean. How much would you pay for a seat, Jess?

[55:50] Jesse McAnally: Oh, I'd pay the normal rate. I'd love to see this.

[55:53] Brianna Jones: There's like I just don't want to. Well, I want to see it too. Bree, if this comes to Michigan, I will take you. It'll be a Jesse Bree date. We'll get dinner, it'll be a good time.

[56:03] Brianna Jones: I'd love that. I feel like we should do that sometime, sincerely.

[56:06] Jesse McAnally: We should. We should. Um, but for significant others, like just us.

[56:12] Brianna Jones: For a cheese rating, um, I'm gonna give it a um a soft pretzel with cheese. I feel like that's very um amusement park carnival-esque. A little treat.

[56:22] Jesse McAnally: No, that's fair. I really like that. Um, I think the show is fine. I think its strength really lies in its book. Um, I think that a lot of the album works on its own, but I really did think the book is a little stronger.

[56:31] Jesse McAnally: Um, I think that it's a very disjointed show. I feel like it doesn't quite have doesn't quite mesh with the emotional things it's trying to hit. It doesn't quite mesh with the humorous things it's trying to hit. Honestly, I think the book works. I think the album works as two very separate things.

[56:58] Jesse McAnally: And I hope I've explained that in a way that doesn't mean that I didn't like it. Because I did enjoy it. I did quite enjoy it. The ballad of Jane Doe, hot damn, that scene.

[57:08] Brianna Jones: Yeah, in the Ride the Cyclone episode, there was a lot of lacking the uh understanding of the show. It's pretty clear that Jess didn't even watch it.

[57:17] Andrew DeWolf: I don't think that's true.

[57:20] Brianna Jones: I don't think that's true.

[57:23] Andrew DeWolf: All right. I think we've I think we've successfully covered Ride the Cyclone.

[57:27] Brianna Jones: You say that, but then we're gonna get a reveal like they don't understand, they're just too old.

[57:32] Andrew DeWolf: Maybe I am too old. Um, and I am giving this a carnival cheese plate. Also, go on some roller coasters. If you really love this show, ride the cyclone, baby.

[57:41] Brianna Jones: Yeah. Um, how about we we have uh musicals with cheese episode on a roller coaster? We bring a GoPro and we try to do a musical review on it.

[57:51] Andrew DeWolf: You know, it's actually really funny. The uh the first uh like roller coaster that I really liked was um I think it was called the Twister, so it's like very close to Cyclone.

[58:02] Brianna Jones: The wicked twister.

[58:03] Andrew DeWolf: The wicked twist that ride kind of sucked. Or is it the twister or was it the cyclone? Hang on a second.

[58:09] Brianna Jones: I love the wicked twister.

[58:12] Andrew DeWolf: It actually was the cyclone. But the first roller coaster I ever really liked was called the Cyclone.

[58:17] Brianna Jones: Did you ride the cyclone?

[58:18] Andrew DeWolf: I did. And you can it was a shitty wooden coaster, and it felt like you were gonna die going on.

[58:26] Brianna Jones: Where?

[58:26] Andrew DeWolf: Uh, Six Flags New England. And then uh Rocky Mountain Construction, who did Steel Vengeance? They came and they reverbed it uh into the Wicked Cyclone. Um, that roller coaster was that one wicked continent fucking baller.

[58:41] Brianna Jones: They had a crossover with the musical Wicked with Ride the Cyclone.

[58:45] Andrew DeWolf: So my favorite roller coaster was the um, the Raptor.

[58:49] Brianna Jones: The Raptor, really? You like the dangly legs?

[58:52] Andrew DeWolf: I like the dangly legs. I still like the Millennium Force.

[58:55] Brianna Jones: Um, I don't like the line every time you have to go and ride that.

[59:00] Andrew DeWolf: I like it, but I black out every time I can't. I do enjoy the Magnum just because of how long that hill is. I love how it feels like it takes four hours to get to the top of that hill. What was the one what was the stand-up one? Do you remember that? Oh, that was the mantis. Listen, my dad took me on that and I was barely five foot, and I will that hurt me in the I it hurt everywhere. Stand up coasters. I haven't been on one yet, but I hear that they're awful. There were okay, so I just saw this today. They have like a cowgirl like style coaster where you bounce, so you're a standing coaster where you kind of have to like reverse down the color.

[59:36] Brianna Jones: Yeah, that's uh coming out at SeaWorld, right? It's gonna be like a are they trying to teach us how to fucking bounce on a dick? What are what's the point of this?

[59:43] Andrew DeWolf: God, I hope so. Some people need to learn. Did you ride the blue streak while you were in King or Cedar Point?

[59:54] Brianna Jones: I went on every roller coaster that was there.

[59:57] Andrew DeWolf: So the except for the wicked twister.

[59:59] Brianna Jones: Why?

[1:00:00] Andrew DeWolf: Uh we just didn't feel like it.

[1:00:02] Brianna Jones: Oh, it was a good ride. Love it. It does give you the feeling that you like. Like it is an intense ride. I wish you could have ridden um um disaster transport back when that was at Cedar Point.

[1:00:14] Andrew DeWolf: Uh there's a bobsled coaster right near me that I have been on.

[1:00:18] Brianna Jones: Okay, then you know it. Uh there's one at the Great Escape, which has like two roller coasters, but one of them happens to be a bobsled coaster.

[1:00:26] Andrew DeWolf: Next May. We're not doing any live streams. We're just gonna have fun next time Andrew comes. We'll do this every May. Look, we're going on roller coasters, okay?

[1:00:35] Brianna Jones: And it's sick. They're great. And if you in the audience haven't been on some roller coasters, fucking do it.

[1:00:40] Andrew DeWolf: Not up. Okay. What did they what did you think of the gatekeeper?

[1:00:45] Brianna Jones: Gatekeeper is great, and we went on it like four times.

[1:00:48] Andrew DeWolf: Really? Okay. What's that new one that dangles you at the top of the hill?

[1:00:53] Brianna Jones: The val uh the Valiant?

[1:00:56] Andrew DeWolf: Valrave Valriven or something like that?

[1:00:58] Brianna Jones: Okay, yeah.

[1:00:59] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. We went on that. My significant other had an anxiety attack on that one.

[1:01:04] Brianna Jones: She did not like being strapped in. Like it triggered a claustrophobia real hardcore.

[1:01:10] Andrew DeWolf: That was not a pleasant experience.

[1:01:12] Brianna Jones: Just that one roller coaster?

[1:01:13] Andrew DeWolf: No, no. Just that one.

[1:01:15] Brianna Jones: They all do that though. She doesn't like the one that goes over you.

[1:01:18] Andrew DeWolf: She can do with like the lap bar thing. Uh, lap bars are better anyways. I love roller coasters that go upside down but have lap bars. I think those are great.

[1:01:25] Brianna Jones: Yeah, but you kind of have to force your head back.

[1:01:27] Andrew DeWolf: Like that the problem with the corkscrew, if you lean forward on a corkscrew, you're gonna break your fucking neck.

[1:01:32] Brianna Jones: The corkscrew doesn't have lap bars, though.

[1:01:34] Andrew DeWolf: It has uh over the shoulder.

[1:01:35] Brianna Jones: Does it?

[1:01:36] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, it does, you're right. You're right. What about the lap bars?

[1:01:38] Brianna Jones: I like the lap bars better too.

[1:01:42] Andrew DeWolf: On that note, you know who else likes lap bars?

[1:01:45] Brianna Jones: People who sing into assholes.

[1:01:53] Jesse McAnally: That's a great transition. Bree, didn't you tell us about a TikTok video you watched recently?

[1:01:58] Brianna Jones: No.

[1:02:04] Jesse McAnally: Who is Burpee?

[1:02:06] Brianna Jones: Is that you, Jess?

[1:02:07] Jesse McAnally: Very nice. That was not me, so that was definitely Jess.

[1:02:09] Jesse McAnally: That's me. I didn't even expect it. It was like it was like a demon came out of me.

[1:02:14] Brianna Jones: Yeah, I was gonna say that came like from the deep belly.

[1:02:17] Jesse McAnally: I like that. I like I like that. It really fits in with our theme.

[1:02:21] Brianna Jones: I like that verp. Do it again.

[1:02:23] Jesse McAnally: This time into my vagina.

[1:02:25] Brianna Jones: It's deep, baby.

[1:02:27] Andrew DeWolf: Alright. Wait, wouldn't that be like the gross uh there's a lot of gross fetishes, but I feel like burping in like places would be too far for me.

[1:02:37] Brianna Jones: Burp fetish? That's where you're gonna draw the line?

[1:02:39] Andrew DeWolf: I I yeah, I don't tend to kink shame, but I think burp fetish is too far for me. I listened to a TikTok the other day, and this guy talked to this girl's asshole for three songs.

[1:02:49] Brianna Jones: I think that was a little weird.

[1:02:50] Jesse McAnally: And he gave it a name.

[1:02:51] Brianna Jones: The asshole or the song?

[1:02:53] Jesse McAnally: The asshole.

[1:02:54] Brianna Jones: What's its name?

[1:02:55] Jesse McAnally: Sandy or Cindy.

[1:02:56] Brianna Jones: Like Sandy Cheeks.

[1:02:59] Jesse McAnally: But he talked to this girl's butthole for like three songs.

[1:03:03] Brianna Jones: Wait, wait. Like, like what do you mean by three?

[1:03:06] Jesse McAnally: Was it alive?

[1:03:07] Brianna Jones: Um, no.

[1:03:09] Jesse McAnally: Was the butthole the one singing?

[1:03:10] Brianna Jones: No, she worked at um she worked at a strip club, and he asked for three dances in the VIP section, and he was like, basically, all I want you to do is like turn around.

[1:03:21] Jesse McAnally: And then he talked to her butthole for three songs.

[1:03:23] Brianna Jones: Did he and he admitted this on TikTok or he did this on TikTok?

[1:03:26] Jesse McAnally: She was like, I was honestly the easiest money ever made.

[1:03:29] Brianna Jones: Okay, so she she was like, it was very weird.

[1:03:31] Jesse McAnally: Has she co-opted naming her asshole Sandy or Cindy?

[1:03:35] Brianna Jones: No, I don't know.

[1:03:36] Jesse McAnally: She didn't.

[1:03:37] Brianna Jones: I would do that. Um put that in the episode somewhere.

[1:03:42] Jesse McAnally: No.

[1:03:43] Brianna Jones: That's a Patreon exclusive.

[1:03:45] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, Patreon exclusive. Sorry. Congratulations, everyone who is in here.

[1:03:50] Andrew DeWolf: I'm so sorry, but I do have want to bring up one small thing that is musical theater related to that. I remember specifically seeing the Rock of Ages movie, which I assume in sometime in 23 week 2023, we have to cover. Um Tom Cruise specifically sings into Julianne Huff's asshole for like he sings that what is that song, Wanted Dead or Alive into Julianne Hoff's asshole.

[1:04:14] Brianna Jones: I remember it very vividly because I'm like watching it with my mother, and I'm like, I we're watching this, right? Why are we doing this?

[1:04:23] Andrew DeWolf: How does like is his head just near her butt? Like, how is she like spread cheeks? Like, what's going on here?

[1:04:30] Brianna Jones: It is the most PG-13 way, but you can definitely see Sphincter there. Um, and he's like using it like let's imagine this pumpkin is her butt.

[1:04:40] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[1:04:41] Brianna Jones: And he just pulls the cheeks and it's like, WANE! Like right into the ass.

[1:04:47] Andrew DeWolf: Alright.

[1:04:48] Brianna Jones: We'll cover it more uh when we cover that movie, but like what that was what triggered by that story of the TikTok.

[1:04:58] Jesse McAnally: I'm so grateful we still have zero views on this live.

[1:05:02] Brianna Jones: Me too. Alright, let's get started.

[1:05:05] Jesse McAnally: Alright, and we have this recorded too.

[1:05:07] Brianna Jones: Like we all we already hit the record button.

[1:05:10] Jesse McAnally: Yep.

[1:05:11] Brianna Jones: Put that in the episode somewhere, Bree. Don't be a coward.

[1:05:14] Brianna Jones: No, I'm not going to.

[1:05:21] Jesse McAnally: Thank you guys for listening. Please follow us on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher at Musicals with Cheese. We're on Twitter at Cheesy Musicals. We're on Patreon Musical's Cheese, Instagram Musicals of Cheese. Um YouTube page musicals with cheese. Patreon only podcast is Patreon with cheese. Email us at musical theater lives at gmail.com. Our keeper of the cheese is Juliet Antonio.

[1:05:40] Andrew DeWolf: That's for you.

[1:05:41] Jesse McAnally: On the show is produced by Brianna Jones, one of the coolest human beings on the planet who watches only normal TikToks, not talking about men singing into assholes.

[1:05:54] Brianna Jones: Listen, if I was making money, I'd do it too.

[1:05:58] Andrew DeWolf: Does anyone want to pay me money to sing into my asshole? Because I'm not gonna lie.

[1:06:03] Brianna Jones: That's a lucrative business right there.

[1:06:05] Andrew DeWolf: Like I I would not want to be the one talking to the asshole, but I would let someone talk to him.

[1:06:11] Brianna Jones: That's a risky, that's a risky proposition to talk to an asshole.

[1:06:16] Andrew DeWolf: Unless you know the girls got or the person's got complete control over that thing.

[1:06:21] Brianna Jones: Yeah, I ain't I ain't playing that game.

[1:06:23] Jesse McAnally: Um our theme songs were composed by Rob and Nash of IOU Music UK. Thank you to the Broadway Podcast Network for not kicking us off the platform for his singing into the metaphorical asshole that is ride the cyclone.

[1:06:37] Brianna Jones: Bree, but you can't cut that out. You gotta put it in.

[1:06:43] Andrew DeWolf: Alright, guys. Is there anything else we have left to say?

[1:06:47] Brianna Jones: I regret all my decisions.

[1:06:49] Andrew DeWolf: Bree ride the cyclone. You can't bring gold to the table and expect us to not address it.

[1:06:56] Brianna Jones: Um ride the cyclone. If anybody's in uh in the New England area, go to Six Flags New England and ride the cyclone. It's the best ride in that park.

[1:07:05] Andrew DeWolf: Actually, let's break down all of our local roller coasters best rides. Um, Kennywood, ride the Jackrabbit. That's the best ride. And it's also on the side of a mountain, so it's really fucking good. Um, Cedar Point, ride the Millennium Forest, or if you're Andrew, ride Steel Vengeance.

[1:07:20] Brianna Jones: Um Brie, if you had to pick a ride from Cedar Point, what would it be?

[1:07:25] Brianna Jones: She already said the uh the Raptor.

[1:07:26] Andrew DeWolf: It would be the Raptor.

[1:07:28] Brianna Jones: Okay.

[1:07:28] Andrew DeWolf: And if you're still there.

[1:07:29] Brianna Jones: The Raptor's still there.

[1:07:31] Andrew DeWolf: And if you're going to Michigan Adventure, check out Shivering Timbers, which is one of the coolest fucking wood roller coasters I've ever been on. It's got amazing airtime. It's so fun. If you go to uh Six Flags New England, ride the Cyclone. If you go to Hershey Park, ride the uh the uh storm runner, and don't go to Six Flags the Great Escape.

[1:07:52] Brianna Jones: Oh, if you ride go to Busch Gardens, um, go ride the big red roller coaster. That will that one's really cool. It's very, very tall.

[1:08:00] Andrew DeWolf: If you go to uh Universal Studios, ride the mummy.

[1:08:05] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[1:08:06] Andrew DeWolf: The mummy's cool. The the Hulk is good, and the new one that they just put in looks great.

[1:08:09] Brianna Jones: Which one's that?

[1:08:10] Andrew DeWolf: The uh Velociraptor.

[1:08:12] Brianna Jones: That looks fantastic.

[1:08:13] Andrew DeWolf: Okay. I remember the Hulk one. Like my mother hated roller coasters, like, but she was impressed that it like took you halfway up the hill and then launched you because you became the Hulk.

[1:08:24] Brianna Jones: She's like, that was really cool.

[1:08:25] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, it was so cool how that worked out.

[1:08:27] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[1:08:28] Andrew DeWolf: That's how my mother talks, but it's at hours.

[1:08:31] Brianna Jones: I waited three hours to go on that fucking Harry Potter ride that they put in.

[1:08:36] Andrew DeWolf: Really?

[1:08:37] Brianna Jones: Actually, three hours.

[1:08:38] Andrew DeWolf: Um I did get motion sickness off that one though.

[1:08:42] Brianna Jones: I had fun. I like the drop, the drop track they had.

[1:08:45] Andrew DeWolf: I wish there was more rides like that, but it wasn't for a transphobic bullshit franchise.

[1:08:51] Brianna Jones: Because that's the cucka arm technology where you're basically on an arm that spins all the fuck around.

[1:08:55] Andrew DeWolf: No, no, no. I'm talking about the uh the roller coaster where you're on motorbikes.

[1:08:59] Brianna Jones: Oh fuck that ride sucked.

[1:09:02] Andrew DeWolf: It was all right.

[1:09:03] Brianna Jones: I like the drop track a lot.

[1:09:04] Andrew DeWolf: Okay.

[1:09:05] Brianna Jones: Um that genuinely surprised me. I didn't know that was in there.

[1:09:08] Andrew DeWolf: How'd you feel about the Hagrid ride where you're flying the hippogriff?

[1:09:11] Brianna Jones: I that one's the one that made me motion sick.

[1:09:13] Andrew DeWolf: That was it?

[1:09:13] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[1:09:14] Andrew DeWolf: It was like you're like sitting and you're like going back and forth like this.

[1:09:16] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[1:09:17] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, that made me motion sick.

[1:09:19] Brianna Jones: Uh I just don't like Harry Potter. I wish they would just take all that shit out.

[1:09:22] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[1:09:24] Brianna Jones: Um Michigan Adventure.

[1:09:27] Andrew DeWolf: Oh fuck.

[1:09:28] Brianna Jones: Why don't you just go like every weekend?

[1:09:30] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[1:09:30] Brianna Jones: Get a season pass.

[1:09:31] Andrew DeWolf: Michigan Adventure is fucking cool. Shivering Timbers is probably one of my favorite rides ever.

[1:09:36] Brianna Jones: I wish I could go. Like, okay. I don't like water parks very much 'cause I have buy dysmorphia and that that's a whole thing.

[1:09:43] Andrew DeWolf: But just wear a t-shirt.

[1:09:45] Brianna Jones: Yeah, no, I'm not doing that. Um they have the giant funnel thing.

[1:09:50] Andrew DeWolf: Have you ridden one of those where

[1:09:50] Brianna Jones: Oh yeah.

[1:09:53] Andrew DeWolf: But it's like got the tunnel, but they drop you like a good four yards before to get into that tunnel.

[1:10:00] Brianna Jones: So you're just free-falling for a good like twelve feet.

[1:10:03] Andrew DeWolf: That's good shit. I love that stuff.

[1:10:04] Brianna Jones: Yeah, there's so much um and water parks are great. I love water parks.

[1:10:09] Andrew DeWolf: You've written the Snake River Falls and things like that, similar to that in Cedar Point.

[1:10:14] Brianna Jones: The equivalent they have in Michigan Adventure is so fucking powerful it'll knock your ass to the ground.

[1:10:19] Andrew DeWolf: Oh man. Either way.

[1:10:21] Brianna Jones: Um welcome to our roller coaster talk. This is just how we talk when we're alone.

[1:10:27] Andrew DeWolf: Look, they gave us an excuse to talk about roller coasters for a couple minutes.

[1:10:31] Brianna Jones: Yeah.

[1:10:32] Andrew DeWolf: We don't get this much. When I was um a kid, I had a season pass to Cedar Point.

[1:10:37] Brianna Jones: So I used to go like multiple times during the summer. My aunt would take me because she was a teacher, so she had the summers off.

[1:10:42] Andrew DeWolf: It's a good time. I wish I lived like close enough to a good amusement park that I could do that.

[1:10:47] Brianna Jones: Okay, since have you either of you been to like Hollow Weekends for Cedar Point?

[1:10:51] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah.

[1:10:52] Brianna Jones: That is the best, like like visual attractions I've ever seen.

[1:10:56] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, they're really good. And the fact is everyone's going to the haunted houses, so the rides are dead, so you just hop onto any ride you want.

[1:11:04] Brianna Jones: We went to Carowins in North Carolina, and they had the Halloween thing. We went for that.

[1:11:08] Andrew DeWolf: Um, and all of the rides had no line.

[1:11:11] Brianna Jones: So we went on all of the rides, all the roller coasters like 14 times so quickly that my sister threw up.

[1:11:18] Andrew DeWolf: Oh my god.

[1:11:22] Brianna Jones: Like she went on like 14 of them, and then on the 14th one, she threw up, but like we went on so many rides with no line that we were like walking onto everything.

[1:11:31] Andrew DeWolf: How do you not get a headache from doing rides so consecutively?

[1:11:34] Brianna Jones: I almost need like a tiny bit of a line between them.

[1:11:37] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, I mean, I was feeling nauseous as well.

[1:11:39] Brianna Jones: I just didn't throw up.

[1:11:41] Andrew DeWolf: A strong stomach.

[1:11:42] Brianna Jones: I don't have a strong stomach.

[1:11:43] Andrew DeWolf: I just I just roller coasters don't generally make me nauseous.

[1:11:46] Brianna Jones: It takes a lot.

[1:11:48] Andrew DeWolf: Like I was only feeling nauseous after like, you know, 10 of them in a row.

[1:11:52] Brianna Jones: So what do you uh forgive me if this is a dumb question? What do you feel about like spinny roller coaster?

[1:11:55] Andrew DeWolf: Not anyway, spinny rides.

[1:11:57] Brianna Jones: Like the witch's wheel.

[1:12:00] Andrew DeWolf: Yes.

[1:12:01] Brianna Jones: I yeah, I did 'em all the time when I was a kid.

[1:12:04] Andrew DeWolf: I can't as an adult.

[1:12:05] Brianna Jones: I agree.

[1:12:06] Andrew DeWolf: Yeah, I can't do the spinny rides.

[1:12:09] Brianna Jones: Um but if it's like one of the like the um like the swings that go in a circle.

[1:12:15] Andrew DeWolf: Oh, I love the swings.

[1:12:17] Brianna Jones: I can do it.

[1:12:17] Andrew DeWolf: The swings are nice, but if it's like the max air brown.

[1:12:22] Brianna Jones: The max air, I don't think I could ever do again.

[1:12:24] Andrew DeWolf: It goes slow enough, I think, that like I'm okay to do like something like the max air, but like the witch's wheel, the the the Harry Potter one.

[1:12:34] Brianna Jones: I've been going to theme parks with the like express intent to go on all the roller coasters right now.

[1:12:39] Andrew DeWolf: So we've just been skipping like any like standing like ride like that.

[1:12:44] Brianna Jones: I will say what is the one? It's not the max air, but it's like the other swingy one.

[1:12:49] Andrew DeWolf: Um that's what it's called.

[1:12:52] Brianna Jones: Um that is the one that you ride right after you get off the water ride just to dry off, because after you're done, you just are completely dry because of how that swings you around.

[1:13:01] Andrew DeWolf: They have practical uses, and there's never a line for that one.

[1:13:04] Brianna Jones: I know.

[1:13:05] Andrew DeWolf: I like it.

[1:13:05] Brianna Jones: It's all right, we gotta wrap this up.

[1:13:09] Andrew DeWolf: Go ride some roller coasters, kids.

[1:13:11] Brianna Jones: We'll see you next time.

[1:13:13] Jesse McAnally: I am on musicals with cheese.

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[1:13:30] Jesse McAnally: Every story has a lesson.

[1:13:33] Jesse McAnally: A simple moral to be told.

[1:13:35] Jesse McAnally: Although what tale may twist and turn, there's always something you can learn.