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[0:18] Mike Abrams: Welcome to The Wrong Cat Died, the podcast breakdown of the catastrophe. I'm your host, Mike Abrams, and today we have another amazing guest.

[0:24] Mike Abrams: She played Jellylorum in 2018 on the Royal Caribbean Cruise Line Oasis of the Sea. So welcome, Jackey Good, and thank you for joining me.

[0:32] Jackey Good: Thank you. This is exciting.

[0:34] Mike Abrams: Yeah, I'm excited to have you on. I love talking to joeys, because usually joeys agree with my thesis. So I'm hopeful that I'm going to get a Gus answer today when we get to that part. But before we get to Gus, the jellicle choice and everything else, I always love to start with your cat's history. So take me back pre getting on the boat, pre signing this contract, pre going on his jelly. When was the first time you experienced a show and what were your thoughts?

[1:02] Jackey Good: Sure. Okay. So when I was about 10 or 11, so this would have been 96, 97, I saw Cats on the national tour in Binghamton, New York. And I was enthralled, but thoroughly confused. I kept asking my mom, I was like, what is this? What is happening? I mean, I love this. The music is awesome. But like, what is this cat? Who is this person? Explain it to me. And she was like, honey, I don't I don't know. I have no idea. Like it's cats dancing around like I got nothing. So I listened to the cast album ad nauseum over and over and over again, trying to put the pieces together and figure out this show. And, you know, I could only guess. But I was really, really into it. I watched the 98 film, loved it, you know, wore out the tape.

And I even in seventh grade English, we had to memorize a poem and then perform it, recite it in front of the cast or the class rather. And I cheated a little bit and did the naming of cats and I did it word perfect. I was so excited and, you know, performed it. And my teacher loved it, gave me an A. And I was, you know, totally cheating because I just knew the poem already and I just loved it so much. I love it. So, yeah. And yeah.

[2:53] Jackey Good: So then I middle school ended, high school came, I got into different musicals. I learned more about other things and kind of moved on. And by college, I was thoroughly embarrassed and never admitted to anyone that I liked Cats. And then I had one of my closest friends was in the national tour and several other regional productions. And I went to see her a few times to support. And when she announced her retirement, she was also a jelly and she announced her retirement from Cats. And I was actually quite thrilled and relieved because I was like, OK, I don't have to see Cats anymore. Because by that time, you know, I was like, it's kind of cheesy. You know, you know, the dancing is great, but whatever.

So then fast forward to auditioning life. I auditioned for a different theater and the casting director basically said like, well, not for this one, but I want you to come in for Cats next week. And I was like, I don't know if I want to do Cats on a cruise ship, but OK. And my first audition did not go well at all. It was the Aria in the Growl Tiger portion, and I just botched the Italian. I hadn't prepared enough and they thank you to me out of the room. They said, OK, you know. So the next time around, I saw that they were taking appointments and I submitted thinking, whatever, like, what can it hurt? So they brought me in again. And the day of the audition, I was in a terrible mood. I had just gotten over a cold.

I was I didn't want to be there. It was the end of audition season. It was mid-May. Auditions had not gone well for me. Lots of callbacks, but no job. So I just I just felt not really into it. And so I went into the room. I sang the Italian, which had meridated for several months by that point. And they asked me to sing Gus. And I was like, oh, you're not you're not sending me out of the room. OK, I'm still here. All right. And then they said, this is great. Can you sing the pop song from the other production show, which was called Come Fly With Me? And I actually I got into it about 10 seconds and I cracked and I like vocally went like. And I stopped. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on.

Hold on. We're going to try that again. I'm just getting over a cold. Let's go. And they laughed and I was shocked. I sang it. I sang it well. And then they called me back. And then, you know, a couple of weeks later, I got the job. And by that point, I was excited. And yeah, and I was I was thrilled.

[6:17] Mike Abrams: I love the journey that you got to take of like obsessed as a kid. Loved it. Embarrassed by it as a teenager college student. Had a friend in it. Kind of were a little iffy on it because it was like you still hadn't really got in. Did you then I guess this is maybe jumping ahead. But now it seems like everyone who's been in it is indoctrinated into this like family and you become obsessed. Like, are you full circle? Like, are you back to the the child you have now where you're like, oh, I get it. I'm obsessed with this still?

[6:49] Jackey Good: Absolutely. Yes, I am fully, fully ingrained, fully into it. I loved it. It was probably my favorite show that I've done to date. And I've done quite a few at this point. But that was I was in it and I was like, this is where I should be. I actually we started music rehearsal day one of Cats rehearsal, and I opened the score and we started learning the music. And I was like, oh, my God, I know every single note. Like, I don't I don't need to do any studying. I know every single word. I know every single note. Like, great. Done.

[7:36] Mike Abrams: That's awesome. It was all still in there. Yeah, you said you said a great teacher coming back to me like I this was this was practicing for life. This is a truly setting you up for your future.

[7:47] Jackey Good: One hundred percent. I want to shift to the boat because I've been fascinated by the evolution of the boat. I mean, it's been going on for like I was like 15 years now. I think it's something like that or somewhere in that range. And it's changed now to a 90 minute version. And I've talked to people who've done both sides of it. And you're on the full. We're doing the full show. What, two almost I think two times during each cruise. And it's kind of a strange thing because it's a group of people that aren't necessarily a theater goer where I've chosen to buy tickets. I've chosen to go to the theater and I know I'm going to see two acts versus it being one of many activities on a cruise to go.

And I think that's kind of a unique thing. I've heard some crazy stories about how from even one of your castmates, but how there are people that just didn't come for the second act or just left or, you know, maybe come partway through. It's not the same crowd. What was your experience like as you did your time on the boat? What was your kind of fan interaction of a show? Because it is such a well-known show, but it is a show that is fairly split down the aisle. People love it or hate it. And you're on a you're on a captive audience, but an audience that isn't necessarily a paying audience, which is very different.

[9:00] Jackey Good: Yes, absolutely. That was our experience as well. We had people hear little memory. That's the end of Act One. And I think, oh, well, she's saying memory. That's it. OK, on to the next thing. Like, let's go to the casino. So, I mean, that was a little disheartening. I'm not going to lie. But, you know, sometimes the houses were full. Sometimes they weren't. But there was always someone to play with. So I didn't mind so much, you know, and especially like the second act. You know, we weren't in the audience as much as we were in the first act. So it didn't it was, you know, I'm of the opinion that like if there's anyone in the audience, I'm going to give one hundred percent of myself, like just for that one person, just as I would for a house full of a thousand.

So it, you know, it was a bit awkward at times when you're trying to search for someone to play with and there's no one in the seats, but especially as a cat, you have the excuse to just crawl into the aisle where anybody was sitting and just behave badly. It was great. You know, there's such a unique piece. And I've now because of this podcast, I've thought a lot more about Cats than I've ever assumed I would think in my life. And one thing on the boat version I've thought a lot about after I talked to your castmates, a couple people have done on the cruise is that the whole essence of what Cats is, is that the Jellicles are letting you into their space and you're lucky to be there. And this thing is happening with or without you.

Like this is our night. This is our thing in the audience. You're just we're just allowing you to see this. And so I do as I hear you say that, like, as long as there's one person there, you're going for it. It kind of almost embraces the show, which is that if you are taking your character in the experience, it's supposed to be actually not singing for them. You're singing for your tribe and they're just lucky to be there. And so it's kind of an interesting way to hear you say that, because it is it's something that I've thought a little bit about the cruise, where especially in the pre 90 minute version.

[11:18] Jackey Good: In seventh grade English, we had to memorize a poem and then recite it in front of the class. I cheated a little bit and did the Naming of CATS.

[11:48] Mike Abrams: That's amazing!

[12:04] Jackey Good: I know, right? I was like, "This is perfect!"

[12:16] Mike Abrams: So, you were already a fan before you even got to play Jellylorum?

[12:42] Jackey Good: Absolutely! I mean, I grew up loving musical theater, but CATS was something special.

[12:58] Mike Abrams: What was your experience like playing Jellylorum on the cruise ship?

[13:18] Jackey Good: It was incredible! I was given just three words and a paragraph about Jelly's backstory, which was a challenge but also really fun.

[13:36] Mike Abrams: What were those three words?

[13:46] Jackey Good: "Loyal," "supportive," and "caring."

[13:56] Mike Abrams: Those are great descriptors!

[14:22] Jackey Good: Yeah, and I think they really capture her essence.

[14:40] Mike Abrams: Did you have any theories about Jellylorum and Jennyanydots?

[15:00] Jackey Good: Definitely! I think Jellylorum is like Gus' wardrobe intern.

[15:12] Mike Abrams: That's an interesting take!

[15:24] Jackey Good: Right? She’s always there, making sure he looks good.

[15:44] Mike Abrams: And what about Jelly's lack of interest in the male cats?

[16:10] Jackey Good: I think she’s just focused on her role and supporting the others.

[16:20] Mike Abrams: That makes sense!

[16:30] Jackey Good: Plus, she has her own thing going on.

[16:56] Mike Abrams: Speaking of which, tell me about how the cruise ship was built around the tire.

[17:06] Jackey Good: Oh, it was fascinating! The design really impacted how we did the Heaviside Layer.

[17:16] Mike Abrams: I can imagine!

[17:42] Jackey Good: It was all about making the performance work within that unique space.

[17:52] Mike Abrams: That sounds like a fun challenge!

[18:02] Jackey Good: It really was!

[18:28] Mike Abrams: Did you have any memorable moments from performing?

[18:38] Jackey Good: So many! Each show felt special in its own way.

[18:48] Mike Abrams: That's wonderful to hear!

[19:14] Jackey Good: I loved connecting with the audience, especially on a cruise where everyone is in a good mood.

[19:24] Mike Abrams: That must have been a great atmosphere!

[19:34] Jackey Good: It really was!

[20:00] Mike Abrams: What do you think makes CATS so enduring?

[20:10] Jackey Good: I think it’s the music and the characters.

[20:20] Mike Abrams: Absolutely!

[20:46] Jackey Good: Plus, everyone can find a cat they relate to.

[20:56] Mike Abrams: That's a great point!

[21:06] Jackey Good: It really brings people together.

[21:32] Mike Abrams: Thank you so much for sharing your insights, Jackey!

[21:42] Jackey Good: Thank you for having me!

[21:52] Mike Abrams: It’s been a pleasure!

[22:18] Jackey Good: Likewise!

[22:28] Mike Abrams: Until next time!

[22:36] Jackey Good: Is that paragraph in the three words?

[23:07] Mike Abrams: That was literally it.

[23:09] Jackey Good: That's it?

[23:09] Mike Abrams: That's it.

[23:10] Jackey Good: Incredible. Okay. I mean, but we were encouraged to make stuff up. We were encouraged to talk to each other, my Gus and I, about our relationship. And what I decided was that I had been Gus's wardrobe intern, if you will, when he was in the theater. So deep love of theater, deep admiration for him as an actor, but was behind the scenes. So I made sure that he was groomed and ready to go on stage. And then when he started to take a turn, clearly started losing his memories, clearly started experiencing some sort of, you know, the palsy that he had and the possible dementia. I started taking care of him. I moved out of the theater and started daily personal care. So yeah.

[24:12] Mike Abrams: That is...

[24:13] Jackey Good: That was...

[24:13] Mike Abrams: I love it. I love the wardrobe intern because I've always... I always felt nurse. Nurse was the very common, like, this is what I just assume. And it's kind of where I think you said you got to with Gus, but it's like, no, I started as like assistant where I'm just making sure in his heyday when he was a superstar that you were still around and kind of working with him. So that's... I still can't get over the fact that you were given like eight sentences and three words and it was like, and fill in the blanks and go, which is not that uncommon. And that's really where this podcast continues is because there's such few... There's just not enough details that's given across the board. I get almost a different answer from everyone.

Now, it's within the same world, but I get a slightly different... I've never heard wardrobe intern, and I love that. And it's like super fun and it fits within kind of what she could be. But it is kind of unique that you're not given that much more and you have to go on every night and essentially embody and embrace this character and sing passionately, especially for Gus, that you have to kind of come up with what the two of yours relationship is going to be so you can both play that. What about... I had a great time doing it. What about Jenny and Chris? That's the creative part.

[25:32] Jackey Good: Yeah. Jenny... Well, part of... I didn't do much thinking about Jenny because my track as covering Jenny was Jelly Any Dots. So I didn't leave Jelly behind. I just added all of Jenny's stuff and the Jenny did vice versa. So the Jenny was Jenny Loram. We actually gave them names because she... When I was out, which I was out a show and a half and she was out for two shows, so we both had to cover for each other at least once. And it was exhausting.

[26:17] Mike Abrams: Did you change costumes?

[26:20] Jackey Good: I did. I did the change into the Jenny big poofy thing, which was very difficult, especially because I wasn't used to it. But I did. I had to do that quick change. I believe I had to leave the stage earlier than I would have had for Jelly.

[26:44] Mike Abrams: Yeah. Did you do all the makeup and the whole switch?

[26:49] Jackey Good: No, I did not have to change my makeup. The Jenny and the Jelly makeup is close enough to each other that I didn't have to do any changes at all. It matches Jenny's thing. So I just... I was basically Jelly Loram until I had to be Jenny Any Dots. And then I just went back to my Jelly track. And I might change my position on stage to kind of fill in where Jenny was missing. But for the most part, I just stuck with my Jelly backstory.

[27:31] Mike Abrams: What about for Grizz? Did you do... What is it? Would it be Jelly Bella? Is that how we would do it? Did you do Bella or was it totally separate?

[27:41] Jackey Good: Yeah. I actually never went on for Grizz. We had this wonderful Grizz. Her name is Laura Stracco, beautiful, beautiful human being inside and out. And she never had to call out, which is lucky for me because I would have probably paid myself a little bit if I had to go on for Grizz. So I didn't have to go on. I know that a lot of the folks on the podcast, and we were certainly directed this way, was that Grizz had gone on to join Macavity. And that's why we were all mad at her. But I never really bought that. So for me, Grizz was just a person who had, like a Marilyn Monroe or a Judy Garland, who was just so very talented, just so very beautiful, and just so very loved and had gone down a dark and twisty path and a sad path. But I didn't really... The Macavity thing never really resonated for me. So I let it in a little, but it wasn't the main focus of my show.

[29:13] Mike Abrams: Yeah. And this is where it gets back to there's some parts to what is like, I think the universal acceptance is that Grizzabella left the tribe. And what she did in that time was probably not great. And there's some hesitancy to let her back. Now, was that Macavity? Maybe. Was that something else? Maybe. I can tell you my Jelly, Grizz, Bust for Jones theory, which I know is purely made up by me and not actually at all created anywhere. But as I was trying to figure out these different things, there was a friendship between Grizzabella, Jenny, and Bust for Jones. There seemed to be the three of them were friends. And so I always thought it'd be fun if the animosity of Grizzabella was not that she left to go with Macavity, but that she basically cheated.

Jelly and Bustifer were together and Grizzabella stole Jelly's man as she was interning with Gus and doing her stuff with Gus. And now when she comes back, it's like, oh, she's back, her again. And you haven't fully forgiven her. And then now you forgive her and that's the end. And that's why you embrace her again. It's like, oh, I miss my friend. But that's the forgiveness, which I know has no merit of truth, but I kind of like as a fun story.

[30:30] Jackey Good: Yeah. I mean, that is really interesting. And I like that interpretation a lot. That's not at all what I played. I don't think anybody plays it that way. I played... I mean, you could. That's the beauty of the show is that there are very strict parameters in certain things, but there are other things where it's just go wild, like have fun, enjoy. But for me, my Jelly was owned and she had been fixed. So she was not interested in any boy cats whatsoever. And she didn't have any kittens of her own. So she was Aunt Jelly. And Bustopher Jones was Jenny's. And it was a big source of teasing that Jelly would tease her best friend Jenny for just falling over Bustopher Jones, like in a loving way. Like Jelly loved that Jenny was completely enamored by Bustopher. She thought it was cute and she thought it was funny.

[31:35] Mike Abrams: That's fun. I don't think I've heard that one before. As far as Grizz is concerned.

[31:41] Jackey Good: Yeah. That was, you know, like I said, you kind of, you get to play, you get to make it up as you go along. And this was certainly not fully formed like day one of rehearsal. This is how the cast dynamic revealed itself as we went through. Yeah, we just decided that most of the kittens were Jenny's because she's just the motherly cat. And it was, you know, all of our kittens were like, hey, mom. Yeah. Hi. Yeah. It's Jenny's a mom. And I think you can get a little of like, if you want to have a darker version, you can have Grizzabella be mom of a couple of them too. And it's like the abandonment piece of maybe Demeter or maybe Victoria or something like that. But you're exactly right, which is there's just not a lot given.

There's not enough spoken word of this. There's not enough like true direction. Like you read the whole paragraph you were given. Like you read that in three, you know, 30 seconds or less, you have to fill in the blanks. And so it does become your cast mates, you know, that you become friends with and people who are on off. And I've even seen, like, as I've talked to more people, it's like people are friends before they become on the show together and those cats aren't supposed to be friendly. And it's like just hard for them not to have chemistry on stage because they have chemistry off stage. And that's how some of these, these headcanons and these kind of lower start, which is what allows me to make up stuff all the way in between, which is what I have absolutely loved about this.

[33:04] Mike Abrams: Yes. Yes. Um, I want to do some rapid fire. So I want to ask a couple of kind of quick questions before we get into the, you know, of course the, the important question. Um, so the first one is if you could go on for one night, who would you want to perform as for any cat, male, female, forget if you vocal range or anything, just if you had one free night to go on and say, I want to do that track, who would you want to be?

[33:27] Jackey Good: Oh God. If I were 10 years younger rumple. Okay. Just as a fun number. Yeah. I love it. I love the cartwheels. I love the, like the song is so cute. Rumple 100%. Love it. Who are your favorite and least favorite cats? Oh God. Um, um, as Jackie, as Jackie, uh, Gus, Gus, Gus is my favorite.

[33:55] Jackey Good: So, yeah, Play-Doh. Okay. What is your favorite song from the show?

[34:25] Jackey Good: Oh, God. My favorite song to sing was definitely "Addressing." My favorite song to do, and this is probably extremely controversial, but I love doing "Peaks in the Pollicles" because it was just so dumb. It was so unhinged. And, yeah, and I liked making everybody laugh.

[34:57] Mike Abrams: I love that. You might be the only one that has said that. So, I love that you love it. At least you know it's controversial. You know it and you're still yelling it. That's the way to do it. Which cat would be the best cruise director?

[35:16] Jackey Good: Oh, God. I mean, Tugger would definitely be the carnival cruise line director. I feel like he would be on the party boats. I also did another cruise line, which was a high luxury cruise line. And I think, let me think. Oh, God. I want to say Skimbleshanks, but also Mistoffelees for one of those because Mistoffelees is so sparkly and he's got the magic tricks. And the cruise director's got to be like, pa, pa, pa, pa, pa. Always got to be entertaining. I feel like, yeah. Maybe Mistoffelees would be the kind of like...

[36:03] Jackey Good: I placed people in different positions for this boat. So, I do think that the two I thought were best were exactly your point, which is Tugger or Mistoffelees. I think those are the two that have the personality to have the mic all day, which is basically what you need to do as a cruise director. And I love that you said that Tugger would be carnival because that's very... As someone who's been on a carnival cruise, that is correct. That is fitting. And that made me laugh a lot more than I was expecting to. I think Bustopher's running the food in the back and I think he's running the luxury stuff in the back. I think Skimbleshanks is actually steering the ship with Munkustrap. I think the two of them are making sure everything's on time, the stuff is running in order, and that you're not going to crash. Those are the two I think are together in charge.

[36:49] Jackey Good: Oh, you know what? Yeah, you're right. I think Skimbleshanks would make an excellent captain. And then maybe Munkustrap would be... Let me think. I don't... Munkustrap would definitely be up there somewhere. Maybe staff captain. He would be staff captain. He would be in charge of the people, the actual humans working on the ship. Yeah. I've got a few more. I think Joey's doing daycare and running water aerobics for all the older people doing the stuff in the back. I think Jenny's also probably doing some type of daycare motherly parenting. And I think you've got Mungojerrie and Rumpleteazer running around stealing stuff from around the boat for Macavity. Absolutely. And then I think Bombalurina and Demeter are doing your dance. They're your dance numbers. They're the ones that are doing all the dance behind the scenes and keeping everybody energetic and running the yoga and the gym and all that type of stuff.

[37:51] Mike Abrams: I love that. No notes. 100%. This is what happens when you spend way too much time thinking about one particular musical for this podcast, is you become able to stick them in any situation.

[38:04] Jackey Good: Yes. Okay. It's amazing. Million dollar question. I already get length that I don't think Grizabella's the right Jellicle choice. So as a Jelly, but really more as Jackie, how do you interpret this? Are you going to defend Grizabella or are you going to choose another Jellicle choice?

[38:22] Jackey Good: Oh, absolutely not. I am Team Gus all the way. No questions whatsoever. Team Gus, Team Gus, Team Gus. Again, Gus was my favorite as a kid. Gus and Rumpelteazer were my two favorites. And I just, yeah, Team Gus. I mean, as Jelly, also Gus for clear reasons. But in the, let's say, let's say the religion of cats, like in the world of cats. I mean, I made this up, like, just to justify my choices in my own head, that the Heaviside Layer is this special kind of death into reincarnation. Whereas, you know, most cats just, they pass and that's it. There's nothing beyond that. And they just go. So I was always Team Gus as Jelly and Jackie, because he had lived such a good life. But selfishly, Jelly wanted him to come back.

She did not want to say goodbye to him yet. She was not ready for that. She wanted Gus to be chosen to go to the Heaviside Layer so he could come back to her and they could continue to live together and be together. Whereas Griz, I think Jelly was like, you know, she lost her chance. She wasted her chance. She, you know, she had a gift and she tossed it away.

[40:02] Mike Abrams: I really love that because I love the, like, that is a rebirth. You know, there's like the dark version of cats where it's like a serial killer, Old Deuteronomy, knocking one off every year, just taking somebody out. But I do think there's like, there's usually, and I don't think you had on the boat because there was just not as many ensemble characters, but there's usually a baby Griz and there's usually, it's actually Gus's character in the 2016 revival was called Peter, where he danced at the beginning. So my only, my only challenge with that is I like, I don't want, I want Gus to come back, not Peter. But I do think like, I love that a, the full circle of like, I'm not ready for him to leave.

I'm ready for this version of Gus to come. And you want to almost start over with your friend that you've been with throughout the years, which is, which is great. How do you then, cause now that you've given me the non-Grizabella answer, how did you on stage every day, sell yourself as Jelly to choose Grizabella? Like what was the, what was the thought process for you that to like justify her being chosen every night?

[41:04] Jackey Good: Oh, I mean, well, as we staged it, as we did it. So my duet was Doug SQ and he was incredible. Um, so Doug actually was motioning to choose Gus. I was positioned next to Gus. Gus was on a stool and Doug made the motion with his hand to choose Gus as the Jellicle choice. And in walks Griz and the music plays and, um, Stanley, the individual who played Gus, and I were just devastated, inconsolable, extremely upset that she's walked in and interrupted the moment and things are changing and oh God, what's going to happen? Um, and how I justified it as Jelly was that was okay. Well, Gus has lived a good life. He's, he's done so much. He has left a legacy of this beautiful art that he's made. Um, and I guess I am being selfish and wanting him to be chosen.

Um, I don't think he's going to make it to next year, but you know, I realized that that choice is a selfish one and this is what's going to happen and I have to be okay with that. Jelly is too good of a person for this tribe is really what this boils down to. Uh, as you hear all these other characters that have like very problematic backstories or like very challenging, unique things. And then you've got this like very wholesome Jelly who's like completely given everything up for this other character and then to even like hear you say that as like, I, I just, I knew like I, I gotta do what's best for the whole group. And that's this, that's not what's best for me is like, that is a very Jelly, like that's the Jelly answer, which is what's so like why I wanted to hear kind of your take on it because it's so unique to hear how everyone processes that.

And you've got that all from one paragraph. Again, it didn't, it, it, it took some time to evolve. Um, you know, the first few weeks of rehearsal was just getting the steps. Honestly, it was like, ah, this is so hard. Um, I mean, I'm a, I'm a dancer, but like I'm an aging dancer and learning the steps and my knees and my hips and my back were not terribly happy with me. But, um, again, this, this took some time to kind of figure out and evolve. And even up to the last day of, of, uh, performances, I was still trying to figure out new things and like decide on stuff.

[43:57] Mike Abrams: Yeah. I love it. Well, this has been so fun. Um, thank you so much for, uh, for humoring me and giving us a great stories and answers and some things I never heard. How can people stay in touch with you on social media and kind of keep up with what you're doing?

[44:12] Jackey Good: Oh, sure. Um, my Instagram is @jackeygood. Um, it's J-A-C-K-E-Y G-O-O-D. My mother agonized over the spelling of my name for months. So, it is odd, J-A-C-K-E-Y G-O-O-D. And that's, that's the best way. Amazing. I'm most active on Instagram.

[44:35] Mike Abrams: Amazing. Well, again, thank you so much for being an amazing guest.

[44:38] Jackey Good: Oh, thank you. Thank you. This is great. Brought back lots of amazing memories.

[44:44] Mike Abrams: I love it. Uh, and thanks everyone else for listening to this episode of The Wrong Cat Died, the podcast to break down the cat's catastrophe. To follow along, you can subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or anywhere else to listen to podcasts. Follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok at TheWrongCatDied or check out our website, TheWrongCatDied.com.