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[0:30] Alex: Welcome back, adventurers!

[0:32] Will: Ale!

[0:33] Cassidy: And Well Met!

[0:34] Alex: There, we did the actual thing at the beginning, and not the dumb joke where I say, welcome back to Ale and Well Met, the Twenty Sided Tavern podcast. We've done it. We've actually done it.

[0:45] Will: I feel like I've never actually heard us do the intro properly.

[0:48] Cassidy: We've never done it properly.

[0:49] Alex: No, because there's like a da da da da da da.

[0:51] Will: Hey!

[0:52] Alex: Well, there's that. That's when Maddie's on the show. And then I usually just say, welcome back to Ale and Well Met. And then Travis started doing a bit where he was like, and now we've done it. It doesn't matter. The name of the podcast is Ale and Well Met. When we start things off, we say, Ale!

[1:07] Cassidy: And Well Met!

[1:08] Alex: And that's how we do it here at TST. I'm Alex.

[1:13] Will: I'm Will.

[1:14] Cassidy: I'm Cassidy.

[1:14] Alex: That's the three of us today.

[1:16] Will: Swing City!

[1:16] Cassidy: And we're gonna get weird again.

[1:18] Alex: Yeah, Swing City, baby! We're all swingers here.

[1:20] Cassidy: And don't put that on us. Don't put that on us right now. It's 30 seconds of the podcast.

[1:24] Alex: We're all locked in the green room together. Let's not, let's not ask for it. We're gonna do a game that we've played before. We're gonna do another what we were calling No Sheet for Sherlock, because Sherlock deserves a sheet. All fictional characters deserve to be playable in 5e or D&D 1 or whatever the hell not. It's 3.5. I don't care. If you want to be 3.5 Wolverine, you should be able to.

[1:46] Will: Yeah, you could be.

[1:48] Cassidy: Yeah.

[1:49] Alex: I'm gonna only judge you a little bit.

[1:51] Will: Don't play 4th edition.

[1:52] Cassidy: Just don't play 4th edition.

[1:52] Alex: 4th edition hates me. But yeah, so we're gonna goof around again. We didn't prepare as much this time. We're really in the thick of it as per y'all. Y'all. We got to rehearse with Sam. I can't. What's her last name?

[2:07] Will: I think it's Bayard.

[2:07] Cassidy: I think it's Bayard. But yes, Voice of Carlac and many others. They are legendary.

[2:14] Alex: Yeah, we were supposed to have a blocking rehearsal and basically did a run through and it was great. Like, come see the show this week. It's gonna be buck wild. And then we're like, okay, the three of us are here. Let's do it weird. So we're, we're gonna play the game again, which is essentially us just picking fictional characters that exist outside of D&D and, you know, deciding who they would be.

[2:38] Cassidy: I'm trying to build them a little bit.

[2:39] Will: Yeah, and Will had a really great idea by giving us a large set of humans.

[2:44] Alex: I'm looking at them. Because I like them more, I'm gonna say X-Men. You want to just rip through the X-Men?

[2:49] Will: Let's fucking do it. And if not, we can broaden it to superheroes in general.

[2:55] Cassidy: Okay, yeah. And we just go around the horn and pick.

[2:57] Will: Don't look at me like that, Cass.

[2:58] Cassidy: I know everything about the X-Men.

[3:02] Alex: Name as many X-Men as you can.

[3:04] Cassidy: Wolverine.

[3:05] Will: That's one.

[3:06] Cassidy: He's got the knives in his knuckles. And then hold on, we dressed up as him for Halloween. Murray was blue, Wolverine.

[3:14] Alex: That's not correct.

[3:15] Cassidy: He was the blue.

[3:18] Will: Somewhere Jack Kirby in his grave just shot himself.

[3:23] Alex: Who are the other ones? What other Wolverines were there?

[3:25] Cassidy: A storm.

[3:26] Will: Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

[3:27] Cassidy: Thank you.

[3:27] Will: Weather Wolverine.

[3:28] Cassidy: Not Gazerbeam. That's an Incredibles reference.

[3:31] Alex: Who is a direct reference to which X-Man?

[3:34] Cassidy: What is his fucking name?

[3:38] Will: Gabe-zo.

[3:38] Cassidy: Gabe-zo.

[3:39] Will: How many eyes does he have?

[3:40] Cassidy: Gab-it.

[3:41] Will: My sibling in Christ.

[3:43] Cassidy: Is that not the one?

[3:43] Will: It's an X-Man that's not Gazerbeam, though.

[3:46] Cassidy: Mythical creature that is famous for one big eye.

[3:50] Will: One eye.

[3:50] Cassidy: Cyclops.

[3:51] Will: There it is.

[3:52] Cassidy: I don't know what he is.

[3:53] Will: He does the same thing that Gazerbeam does.

[3:54] Cassidy: He shoots fucking laser beams from his eyes.

[3:56] Will: Good.

[3:57] Cassidy: Jasmine was...

[4:00] Will: This is a good one. Important one to know.

[4:01] Cassidy: Shit.

[4:02] Will: I've forgotten who Jasmine was.

[4:03] Cassidy: It's another word for celebration.

[4:05] Will: Party.

[4:05] Cassidy: Jubilee.

[4:06] Will: There it is.

[4:07] Cassidy: Great.

[4:08] Will: R.J. was wearing all white.

[4:11] Cassidy: He was Storm, baby girl.

[4:11] Will: Oh, he was Storm.

[4:13] Cassidy: Diego was...

[4:15] Will: We've done that.

[4:15] Cassidy: He was Cyclops.

[4:16] Will: Oh, shit.

[4:16] Cassidy: Okay.

[4:17] Will: It was I.

[4:19] Cassidy: It's a really big one.

[4:20] Will: Technically not an X-Man.

[4:21] Cassidy: Me and Stomp.

[4:21] Will: Me and Stomp.

[4:22] Cassidy: Stomp was the bald one.

[4:24] Will: Jesus, help us all.

[4:26] Cassidy: Jesus, help us all.

[4:27] Will: He was bald Wolverine.

[4:31] Cassidy: Professor...

[4:32] Will: Professor X.

[4:33] Cassidy: There it is.

[4:34] Will: Man of the man.

[4:35] Cassidy: Who's the other side of Professor X's coin?

[4:38] Will: They're definitely not lovers at any point.

[4:40] Cassidy: Never, ever.

[4:41] Will: Have you not seen...

[4:42] Cassidy: You haven't like watched a single X-Man movie ever?

[4:45] Will: That's...

[4:45] Cassidy: I mean, like, it's kind of impressive to be this unexposed to something that is pretty culturally ubiquitous.

[4:53] Will: Like, even not nerds know.

[4:54] Cassidy: Yeah.

[4:55] Will: I'm like aware that they're a group of heroes.

[4:58] Cassidy: So what separates them from the Avengers?

[4:59] Will: But not having Magneto at the top of your brain is pretty wild.

[5:02] Cassidy: What's Magneto?

[5:03] Will: Magneto is who Will was.

[5:04] Cassidy: Oh, was that Jake Gyllenhaal?

[5:05] Will: Nope.

[5:07] Cassidy: Jake Gyllenhaal in what?

[5:08] Will: What?

[5:08] Cassidy: He was Mysterio.

[5:10] Will: Oh, so there's an M and he's got a special helmet.

[5:15] Cassidy: So you're not in a cape, you're not way off.

[5:18] Will: Jack Kirby and Stan Lee just both posthumously shot themselves somewhere.

[5:23] Cassidy: Cyrus Claremont is still alive.

[5:24] Will: They're just on a cloud laughing right now.

[5:26] Cassidy: I think they would both be pretty stoked that they're like, good.

[5:30] Will: I'm glad there are people who don't have like, I think they would like this more than they would like anything anyone's saying about the X-Men on Reddit.

[5:36] Cassidy: Sure.

[5:37] Will: So, um, actually.

[5:37] Cassidy: I liked Justice League.

[5:40] Will: Okay.

[5:41] Cassidy: I just thought Wonder Woman was hot.

[5:42] Will: Let's go.

[5:42] Cassidy: Cool.

[5:43] Will: Yeah, just like if you want a different different comics publisher.

[5:47] Cassidy: DC.

[5:47] Will: Yeah.

[5:48] Cassidy: I'm aware.

[5:49] Will: Which stands for?

[5:50] Cassidy: Da Comics.

[5:52] Will: And so it is written.

[5:54] Cassidy: From this point on.

[5:58] Will: Oh, God.

[5:59] Cassidy: All right.

[6:00] Will: So that's.

[6:01] Cassidy: What does it stand for?

[6:02] Will: Detective Comics.

[6:03] Cassidy: Oh, cool.

[6:03] Will: So pretty close.

[6:04] Cassidy: Don't like the snide.

[6:06] Will: You don't have to worry about how smug he was.

[6:08] Cassidy: Okay.

[6:08] Will: Good.

[6:09] Cassidy: I'd say then.

[6:10] Will: Why?

[6:11] Cassidy: I love that this is absolutely just two nerds grilling a woman about not getting enough.

[6:15] Will: This has never happened.

[6:16] Cassidy: I'm going to prove that you're a nerd.

[6:18] Will: Why don't you snipe somebody that you know?

[6:20] Cassidy: Sniper, sniper, superhero, you know, the thing we should build.

[6:24] Will: I'm so aware of Spider-Man.

[6:26] Cassidy: So aware of Spider-Man.

[6:27] Will: Okay, I've got bad news. Diego did Spider-Man on the only other episode.

[6:30] Cassidy: Do another one.

[6:31] Will: Uh, Superman.

[6:34] Cassidy: Okay.

[6:35] Will: That's hard.

[6:35] Cassidy: Yeah.

[6:36] Will: God is tough.

[6:37] Cassidy: Why?

[6:38] Will: Because he is broken.

[6:40] Cassidy: Oh, well, imagine playing him like you've got enough D and D going on.

[6:45] Will: Like, imagine, imagine playing an invulnerable person who is like, he doesn't work.

[6:51] Cassidy: Yes.

[6:51] Will: Your hands up.

[6:52] Cassidy: I have.

[6:52] Will: Yeah.

[6:52] Cassidy: Where do you want to start?

[6:53] Will: I love the idea of trying to actually, because this is tough.

[6:57] Cassidy: Got to be an Asimov.

[6:58] Will: Yeah, sure.

[6:58] Cassidy: Celestial boy.

[7:00] Will: Yeah, for sure.

[7:01] Cassidy: Now you also, he's so like good.

[7:05] Will: Yeah.

[7:05] Cassidy: You know, he's just so lawfully good coding.

[7:07] Will: Are Asimov inherently lawful good?

[7:09] Cassidy: No.

[7:10] Will: Oh.

[7:10] Cassidy: Because you can have scourge Asimov and fallen Asimov and like have other backgrounds.

[7:13] Will: But it's an easy one to make.

[7:15] Cassidy: Yeah.

[7:15] Will: Like lawful good to the point of like one minded, angelic, can only be good.

[7:21] Cassidy: Great.

[7:21] Will: Now, I think since it's, you know, you're leveling up a D and D character.

[7:24] Cassidy: We're looking at like Smallville era Clark Kent, like as he's growing up and figuring out his powers.

[7:29] Will: You don't have to, don't worry about it.

[7:30] Cassidy: Level one, level one Clark Kent to ya.

[7:34] Will: That's fun.

[7:34] Cassidy: Just thinking about like the, cause the classes, the classes that exist in D and D are never going to accurately represent.

[7:39] Will: This is a dude who can, you know, leap over.

[7:41] Cassidy: No.

[7:41] Will: And also the problem there is that like the way that like mutant powers manifest for doing X-Men is just like, you got them.

[7:47] Cassidy: Right.

[7:47] Will: It's kind of the other way around.

[7:48] Cassidy: You usually start too powerful and then you have to grow into them.

[7:51] Will: Sure.

[7:52] Cassidy: As opposed to like in D and D where it's like, all right, you're level one.

[7:56] Will: Some magic has awoken.

[7:58] Cassidy: Technically all mutants are sorcerers.

[7:59] Will: Right.

[8:00] Cassidy: Like by the way that mutants work like this internal, but either way.

[8:03] Will: Superman.

[8:03] Cassidy: Yeah.

[8:04] Will: We got an Asimov. What class are we thinking?

[8:08] Cassidy: I don't know how one would characterize like laser beam in the world of D and D out of eyeball.

[8:14] Will: Yeah.

[8:14] Cassidy: That's like a scorching ray, you know?

[8:16] Will: Yeah, sure.

[8:16] Cassidy: We could give that a thing, but more like vibe wise.

[8:19] Will: Like what I want to say, I mean, Paladin.

[8:26] Cassidy: Okay.

[8:26] Will: Cause he's got that like, and, and I want to kind of say oath of the common man Paladin, uh, if we're going real hard Smallville style and then like, he's also does have some of this, like his connection is to his dead dad and his connection is like his ancestors and the power of the fortress of solitude is a very, like he has to go and sit.

[8:47] Cassidy: Cause that's where he goes to learn.

[8:48] Will: He goes in chats.

[8:49] Cassidy: And then he really has technically, if you could think of like kryptonite as being something that interrupts the like flow of power to his God.

[8:56] Will: Yeah.

[8:56] Cassidy: So it's like, what's taking him down.

[8:58] Will: It's some sort of like, uh, uh, divine dampener.

[9:01] Cassidy: And I'll be sure this is gonna, Hey guys, we're like nine minutes into what's, you know, going to be a 45 minute podcast.

[9:08] Will: It's going to be this level of crunchy nerd bastard everywhere because, because we've got will, I'm going to say also, also you guys, I don't know.

[9:17] Cassidy: I don't know if this might be us blowing the story open, but we'll start at his DM training today.

[9:22] Will: Y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all.

[9:26] Cassidy: It is awesome.

[9:28] Will: I feel, I feel like I have finally arrived at the place.

[9:31] Cassidy: Yeah, it's to be at the time.

[9:31] Will: It's very good.

[9:33] Cassidy: Um, I, this is my hot take for D&D in general.

[9:36] Will: Paladins, and I'm not talking about 2024 because they fucked Paladins so bad, but the, the way smites are written, you can't use them for anything other than a melee weapon.

[9:43] Cassidy: I think that's horse shit.

[9:48] Will: Cause what if you were like a Paladin of Artemis, you want to fucking smite with a bow.

[9:51] Cassidy: Yeah.

[9:52] Will: So I'm going to say, and I've said this at my tables before, an unarmed strike fist smite is the coolest fucking most anime comic book coded thing in the whole wide world.

[10:02] Cassidy: Yeah.

[10:02] Will: So if we're saying Superman is a Paladin, what's cooler than him going in for a divine smite?

[10:06] Cassidy: Just raw dog with a fist.

[10:08] Will: Yeah.

[10:08] Cassidy: I mean, that's radical.

[10:09] Will: Also, also, if you really want to get there, like his other, you could divinely, I mean, most of them could be divine smites when he's using his powers, like the eye beams and the breath, the breath weapon.

[10:20] Cassidy: He does have a breath weapon.

[10:22] Will: Oh, he does have a breath.

[10:24] Cassidy: He has frost breath.

[10:25] Will: That's for sure.

[10:25] Cassidy: Uh, but he could get that as a feat leveling up.

[10:28] Will: I would give that as a feat.

[10:29] Cassidy: And also if you're a Paladin, you've got spells.

[10:31] Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[10:33] Cassidy: Let me know if he's a Paladin with spells.

[10:34] Will: Okay.

[10:35] Cassidy: I'm liking this.

[10:37] Will: How are we going to give him, uh, his nigh invulnerability?

[10:41] Cassidy: That, I'm going to argue just a real crazy, sexy high AC.

[10:47] Will: Big AC.

[10:48] Cassidy: I mean, I think that's right.

[10:50] Will: We just say that he's got like his Kryptonian skin armor.

[10:55] Cassidy: It's like a, like a, uh, a species feat.

[10:59] Will: You can say that like AC equals your constitution modifier, plus your dexterity modifier, plus your proficiency bonus.

[11:06] Cassidy: Damn.

[11:07] Will: And then this is like, this is a Kryptonian special feature.

[11:10] Cassidy: Then you say, if we're going to take, let's look at Kryptonite and say, maybe it's either necrotic or radiant damage, one of the two, depending on how you're feeling it, not only he's vulnerable to it, but it bypasses his AC.

[11:22] Will: So all you have to hit is if you're rolling.

[11:24] Cassidy: It's a guy in a unit.

[11:25] Will: Yeah.

[11:26] Cassidy: You you're rolling to beat a 10.

[11:27] Will: If you're dealing that damage type.

[11:28] Cassidy: Yeah.

[11:30] Will: I think that's pretty good.

[11:31] Cassidy: Like you've got doing that damage, you beat him.

[11:34] Will: I mean, that's a really good way around invincible because he's also not like Luke Cage invincible.

[11:40] Cassidy: Right?

[11:40] Will: Like no, no, no. Can Clark Kent get a fucking injection?

[11:43] Cassidy: No, he, the animated series did a great thing.

[11:46] Will: Like how does Clark Kent shave?

[11:48] Cassidy: He has to heat vision in a mirror to shave his beard because he literally cannot use a razor.

[11:52] Will: I want to see the like Smallville era of him, like figuring that out, which is like, it's like akin to, uh, the like, uh, Tobey Maguire, Spider-Man, like splooging on his mirror with his webs.

[12:05] Cassidy: Have you seen the Tobey Maguire, Spider-Man, the old ones?

[12:08] Will: He, so, so it's a thing that they didn't do in that one where he doesn't have for, for whatever reason, they decided to make his webs part of his powers.

[12:16] Cassidy: So it's not like cartridges.

[12:18] Will: It's not like web slingers.

[12:20] Cassidy: Yeah.

[12:20] Will: Where do they come from?

[12:22] Cassidy: I mean, sort of the joke is that he's fucking nutting them out of his wrists and he like figures out that he's got to do his, he has to do his, he has to do his, yeah, he's got like spinnerets in his palms and I don't know, do they ever, I don't think they get real into it.

[12:39] Will Champion: But like, it's like, he figures out that he has to do his hands in the Thwip way, like, right, that he's like, hitting the centers with classic Spider-Man hands. And like, he still has to do it, but it's just like, it's like a very jizz-coated moment of him going like, hitting the mirror and him being like, wait, he's like, what happened? How did I do it? And then he's like, trying to do it again. So he's like, making different shapes with his hands. Yeah, it's very, but it's very Sam Raimi. It's where you remember that like, Sam Raimi is the guy who'd fucking directed Army of Darkness and Evil Dead and shit, like that he's an absolute goofball. I'm going to say that I think if we're looking at the standard Oaths, well, first of all, in the Unearthed Arcana, they've added for Paladins unarmed fighting style, which is perfect for him.

He gets to use unarmed damage, goes up to a D6 or a D8 as it goes on. Right. It should be giant for him too, gotta be Oath of the Watchers because it's your, uh, Tenet of the Watchers, you swear to safeguard mortal realms from otherworldly threats. Oh yeah, that's gotta be that. You know, that's fucking, uh, what's his name? Uh, General Zod. Yeah. Vigilance, loyalty, and discipline. You are the shield against the endless terrors that lie beyond the stars. That's going to be a bunch of the like, Justice League then, because fucking Green Lantern would get that shit too. And like, yeah, because it gets real spacey, right? Yeah, yeah. I love that about DC. It's like, all right, we've got a billionaire with a bunch of fucking gadgets and then aliens.

He's going to fight God. And then aliens. What else do you need? What do you mean, what else do I need? Like, to satisfy your Superman, tabletop Superman, what do you need? I mean, this is pretty sick. I think you two have delved so much deeper into Superman's lore than I even was aware of to begin with. Okay, then pick another. I mean, it's pretty fun. Like, I mean, that's pretty good. We've got, we've got a, we've got a class. We've got his species. We just, we just fucking homebrewed up Kryptonian as a species. Could I pivot us super hard to the difference? Yeah. Where do you want to go? We can also go literally any with this. We can do any made up character that exists. What do we think about Megamind?

He's an artificer. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not. Oh, oh, I know. You have to watch it. It's a real good one. It is. Hi, Connor's here now. New challenger has entered the villa. There he is. Hi, buddy. What's up, everybody? We're being wicked nerdy. I think you got to turn that mic on there, buddy. Yeah. What's up, everybody? Take two. Start the podcast over. You know what we're doing? We're like, we're just turning any characters we can think of into trying to stat them up as D&D playable characters. Cool. I don't have any strong opinions on this. It's all good. Then welcome to nonsense. Oh, maybe I made my sarcasm a little too light. Okay. We've now been proposed Megamind. We don't have to commit to Megamind because we'll never seen the movie.

And I feel like what is Megamind? Oh, man. There's a lot that I'm not. Megamind is I mean, Megamind is Megamind is Will Ferrell is a super villain and he's not really evil. He's got a big head. Yeah. I mean, it's very I mean, that's the thing. It's got a big blue head. It's gonna be he's just gonna be Barry. He's just an artificer who's like, yeah, who's a super villain that is he like, so like, I like I hate to just poo poo it but like we literally have this dude. Objectively true. Yeah. Okay. He's I mean, he's he would be statted almost exclusively like Barry except he's blue and like, his intelligence would be really, really high. Yeah. So you pick one you just arrived. Pick a character, any character.

We had started with x men. I'll I you got one. Let's jump in with you. We haven't done any x men on here before. No. We've done we've done we did we did for the first episode we did Spider-Man. Ellen Ripley from which was fun. And then I might have done Gordon Ramsay just because I wanted to do it or something like that. Let's do Fox Robin Hood. Fox Robin Hood Robin Hood. Okay. Fox Robin Hood is like a no Cassidy's raising their hand. No, Cassidy. No, no, don't say it. Don't say it. If you haven't seen this movie, I've got good news. You're gonna be gayer than as soon as you watch it. It's a great way to get Fox Robin Hood hood. You haven't seen the like, it's a Disney movie. The platonic ideal of Robin Hood, the OG Robin.

Let's keep going. Oh, the 1973 Robin Hood. Robin Hood. The forest. I thought that this was I thought this was like an x men. That was no. Okay. Okay. Okay. I would be like the deepest fucking Fox. I'm Fox Robin. There is a literal x man called maggot. Like that is a real character. So Fox Robin Hood is not that far. Great. I'm just hot. Yes. I deeply enthusiastically consent to Fox Robin Hood. Okay. Okay. Hell yeah. That's a Fox species. I think. Um, yeah. Yeah. I, or at least I've, I've seen an on earth arcana one before. It's like a beast folk, one of the million different animal species. They got like kitsune or something. How gritty are we getting? Are we doing like character origin background selection?

I mean, are we building it out or are we just talking like, we're not like actually going to like build it. I think it's just like, how do you do it? Because we were like, all right, if you wanted to be Superman, how the hell we talk to like Paladin and Asimov and general, like maybe, uh, uh, like how you would do certain things that are iconic for them. So I would approach this conversation thinking, what are the, what is the, what are the formal qualities of Fox Robin Hood that are most important to us that we want to translate into D and D good with a bow and arrow. Good with a bow and arrow. Yes. For Cassidy, where's Lord. I think for me, that's the one that kind of kicks the crown. So charismatic.

Yes. Okay. And, and there's a heart to it. Like the ethos of Robin Hood, the sort of, uh, Sherwoodian steal from the rich, give to the poor. The Robin in general, the archetype is the example one has to use for the chaotic good alignment. That is what it is. Um, when I was introduced to D and D that was the, the cornerstone, uh, I was given for that particular archetype. I'd be do good. However you need to do good. Yeah. Do crime for good. Yeah. I feel like my interpretation of the alignment chart then might be off because I feel like he would be perfect for lawful good and that he has the strongest literally breaks the law, but I thought that it wasn't about literally following the law. I thought it was what your own moral code.

Yeah. But he's his code is squishy. Even if, if your coat, but like, if it is staunch enough that you are like, these are my rules and I will not break them. I will follow them. I will always steal from the rich and get to the poor. That is your own. I think if you're going to do that too, but even though for him, like he, he was a noble, like the whole thing that he does is he like, he was a landed noble and then he went off and the atrocities of war made him realize that like there are real, everyone else is a real person. Two conversations happening. They're both interesting. One is specifically Robert hood, lore and backstory. The other is how do we interpret the alignment chart, which I also find to be fascinating.

Yeah. I'm not going to say alignment chart. I actually kind of push against the alignment chart a bit. I can find it can be, it can lead people, especially those who are newer to DC to somewhat myopic decision-making or at least to, to view the possibilities in a like open-ended narrative arc as a bit more streamlined and boxed in. So anti-character growth a little bit can be. Yeah. I would also say that the alignment chart is frequently the core, uh, uh, sin from which many of the D and D horror stories you'll read or hear about stem from where the catchphrase is like, yeah, this is what my character would do. I'm, I'm chaotic good. So I shanked the guy in the back, like, I do agree with you there.

However, it's an interesting framing device at the very least. Will you share more about, cause I think you have a, uh, an interesting way of looking at the alignment chart. Tell us more. Someone wants, I don't remember who it was, but someone once gave me like a, a really good example of, um, a subversion of like what you would expect for a character to be like in my mind, I think the only true, uh, example of like the most perfect example of someone in an alignment chart is Dolores Umbridge is lawful evil in that all lawyers. Yeah. I think, I think good versus evil. No, I mean, clearly not. I immediately thought of four lawyers. I think good versus evil is not necessarily whether or not you want to like contribute to the goodness in the world.

It is whether or not you are willing to inconvenience yourself to improve the lives of others is good. And whether or not you are willing to inconvenience yourself to hinder or harm other people. Interesting is how I interpret good versus evil is whether like the amount of harm you cause the people around you and how great a length you are willing to go is neutral then on an unwillingness to inconvenience yourself. Uh, I think neutral is a little more like perhaps you are less focused on the impact you have on other people. You are just kind of living your own life and then lawful versus chaotic is whether or not you were like under no circumstances will I ever, um, wear socks with sandals ever, ever, ever, you know, like, like no matter what your code is just like being unwilling to change it.

And it is rigid versus chaotic is like, however I feel today, I'm just going to follow that whim. I will stand on the other side of the line in the typically the way I've interpreted lawful versus, uh, chaotic is lawful means adhering to codes that you did not create codes imparted onto you by something else. That's more of how chaotic is specifically. And I believe it's written somewhere to one of the books is about how self-serving you're willing to be. So chaotic good means I am not going to follow the laws. Other people have prescribed me. I'm going to do good by my, on my own terms with nobody telling me otherwise. With that definition, I absolutely agree that Robin Hood is chaotic. Good.

Sure. Sure. I think it's the Dolores Umbridge is still the perfect example of law lawful evil because she's taking the laws of the wizarding world and applying them in a way that is oppressive. You know what I mean? We're in the middle of a very lot of lawful evil bullshit going on right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And yet even here, there is an argument to be made that the kind of anti-judiciary campaign happening on a global political scale or not a global political scale, but on a domestic political scale is an inversion of law as we've understood. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Quite chaotic. Yeah. Yeah. But either way, the alignment notwithstanding, high charisma for Fox Robin Hood. Sure. Absolutely.

[23:13] Will Champion: Well, definitely there's a code, right? Like he has a, he is-

[23:17] Cassidy Sledge: But it's his code.

[23:18] Will Champion: It's his code. You know, absolutely.

[23:21] Conner Marx: Are we thinking-

[23:21] Will Champion: As a matter of fact, I mean, he's, he is, I mean, anti-establishment is I think a big thing is that like he is, he is actively violently fighting against the status quo.

[23:34] Cassidy Sledge: He's the OG mutual aid organization.

[23:36] Will Champion: Yeah, totally.

[23:37] Conner Marx: What class? Are we thinking ranger or fighter?

[23:39] Will Champion: It's so hard to not make it-

[23:41] Cassidy Sledge: A ranger?

[23:41] Will Champion: To not think of it in ranger terms because aesthetically the sort of like wood elf verdant cloak in the forest.

[23:48] Cassidy Sledge: Yeah. Because he looks like a, yeah.

[23:50] Will Champion: But what was the other one you said?

[23:52] Cassidy Sledge: It's the same problem I've ever had with thinking about Legolas in this setting is like, are they a ranger or are they just a really good fighter with a bow?

[23:57] Will Champion: Here's my, here's my thought. I always think that everybody loves Robin Hood with the bow because that's a big part of his lore and the splitting of the arrow and all that, but motherfucker can sword fight.

[24:07] Cassidy Sledge: True.

[24:07] Will Champion: And like, especially in the old, like, God, you think Errol Flynn Robin Hood, man. And like, he is a swashbuckler.

[24:15] Cassidy Sledge: Just by the way, those are great films.

[24:17] Will Champion: They're so goddamn good.

[24:19] Cassidy Sledge: On the other side of the wall with old movies in particular.

[24:23] Will Champion: I know that I, bless you, can, can feel alienated by old cinema just by virtue of not really having exposure to it.

[24:30] Cassidy Sledge: Not having parents that wanted to show it to me.

[24:34] Will Champion: And I'm feeling museum-y in a certain way.

[24:38] Cassidy Sledge: Dan, that one is just so hearty.

[24:41] Will Champion: Yeah, it just rips.

[24:42] Cassidy Sledge: And like, well, it's also like, God, that last swashbuckling scene that they're like, they hadn't, it wasn't a steadicam yet. It was a fucking rig.

[24:49] Will Champion: Like they're with the fighting shadows.

[24:52] Cassidy Sledge: That's all one take.

[24:53] Will Champion: That's like him and Basil Rothbone.

[24:56] Cassidy Sledge: It's no, no stunts.

[24:57] Will Champion: It's Errol Flynn and Basil Rothbone having a five-minute sword fight with one giant camera on a dolly following them through like a big-ass castle that they built.

[25:06] Cassidy Sledge: How does that not kick ass?

[25:07] Will Champion: It's a play with a camera pointed at it, and it rules.

[25:11] Cassidy Sledge: Sorry.

[25:11] Will Champion: What class?

[25:13] Cassidy Sledge: I need an answer from all of you.

[25:14] Will Champion: What gets you to swashbuckler?

[25:15] Cassidy Sledge: There's a swashbuckler.

[25:16] Will Champion: It's rogues.

[25:18] Will Champion: So like, I'm saying.

[25:19] Will Champion: Swashbuckling Rogue. Because he's a fucking thief.

[25:30] Conner Marx: Talk about words you associate with him. Roguish.

[25:39] Will Champion: His martial prowess is unrivaled, but again, and the reason that I advocate for charisma as the principal anchor and not Dexterity is that there is just this spirit about him. And I feel like rogues, while also skilled in so many ways, as a class, speaks to an ideal, a spirit, a lifestyle, a vibe, more than a fighter or a ranger, which implies a weapon prowess or a mastery or whatever.

[26:10] Conner Marx: He also draws rogues to, it's like, so you're Will Scarlet's gonna be, like, come on, you get Will Scarlet, who's like a fucking rogue. You get Alan A. Dale, who's a fucking bard. Like he's a chicken who plays the lute. And then you've got Little John. I mean, Friar Tuck is a goddamn cleric. Like, they're like, it's the thing about like, this is I mean, yeah, that's why I think people love it so much. The same reason Lord of the Rings whips so much ass is because it's just the D&D party. Yeah. The same reason Star Trek kicks so much ass is because it's a D&D party. What was that arcade game, Gauntlet Legends? Hell yeah.

[26:47] Will Champion: Was that what it's called? Yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. Well, like for me, that was when I went to laser tag. Yep. It was right next to the X-Men side scrolling. Oh, not that one. And you'd have the like, red player, blue player, green player, yellow player. And they would correspond to different classes. At the time I was playing it, I had no idea what D&D was. No. But I understood enough. You're like, red guy gives a big architectural, an archetypal. I mean, your Power Ranger color alignment there too.

[27:17] Conner Marx: I wasn't allowed to watch Power Rangers. Really? It's too violent. That's very funny. Though I was raised on Ninja Turtles. I know. Right. Well, I mean, Ninja Turtles there too. You've got. Yeah. You know, Raphael's a barbarian. Donatello's an artificer. Michelangelo is a bard.

[27:34] Will Champion: Hold on. Back up. Back up. Back up. You said Raphael's a barbarian?

[27:40] Conner Marx: Yeah, I would agree. Raphael is full of rage.

[27:46] Will Champion: Oh shit. No, you're right. I would argue that Leo could probably. Am I the only one that watched the like, that was the big cuss word in the 1990 Ninja Turtles movie? Is that like twice Raphael gets mad and just screams damn. And at one point he screams damn because Casey Jones steals his fucking shit. And he screams damn so loud that it pans out to a shot of all of Manhattan. And then there are like doves that go flying up. It's fucking radical. And when I was eight, I was like, yeah, dude, he's he's so pissed. I came back from seeing that movie in theaters. I actually think it must have been Secret of the Ooze. And I remember I loved how I how children problem solve things.

[28:28] Conner Marx: Yeah. That I was like, well, I need to obviously practice my Ninja Turtle martial arts. Yes, duh. I it's not that I believe that they could fly, but they were like flipping around and all that. And I was like, okay, well, I need to practice it in the most accurate context and scenario that I can. So what I'll do is I'll just jump on my bed. And in between jumps, I'll do the moves like jump, sidekick, jump, spinny kick, jump, punch. And so just for weeks after that, I would be like, okay, mom, dad, I'm gonna go practice. And I just go jump on my bed and do like kicks in between the jumps.

[29:05] Will Champion: Oh, I thought like a like cardboard wrapping paper tubes.

[29:15] Conner Marx: Yeah, I didn't think that I was. I mean, obviously, it was fun. I was drawn to it. You were engaged. But yeah, I really thought I was like, I got it. I got to do this. You know, this is training.

[29:25] Will Champion: Yeah. If I want to expect it, super shredder could come for me at any minute.

[29:31] Conner Marx: Yeah. If I want vanilla ice to sing a kick ass song about me one day that I've got to practice. I do love how fantasy you know, we are adults playing a fantasy game. Yeah. And it's evolved from this very human essential desire to fantasize to pretend that you are in my case, like jump on my bed and pretend that I was a Ninja Turtle. I just I literally just had the very tangential realization that this is minus a Bria the original for the Queen crew.

[29:58] Will Champion: Yeah, it's the first time I've sat around the table with you guys.

[30:07] Conner Marx: Yeah, it's the one exited Oh, and it's the Alabaster Empire. Okay, so Robin Hood. I think I think we have it right. You either find like a beastfolk species or craft one for the fox folk aspects of it. So what is it? What are some of his Achilles' heels? I mean, cocky. I mean, he's like, that's like, cocky. And then also, it's still like, loyal, right? He's deeply in love. He's real easy to set a trap for Robin Hood. He's gonna come running at that bait there all day. One is the cocky. He can't resist showing not showing up and showing everybody that he's the best archer around.

[30:40] Will Champion: It's interesting as we think about it now. Obviously, you can make a cocky person with a high intelligence, but I'm formulating an argument that if you are that cocky, it inherently means that your intelligence score, I would say low wisdom. Like, it's a thing where it's like, you're you fucking idiot. You're so you're, you don't understand that you, your skills not enough to get you out of this necessarily, because he doesn't, he does get caught in almost every version of the story he gets caught.

[31:07] Conner Marx: Because of the ones because of the arrow, I mean, the arrows usually they surround his ass. We might be saying the same thing. I'm not sure yet. But I might be advocating for the opposite that like, cockiness means a low intelligence as opposed to low wisdom.

[31:22] Will Champion: Yeah. And then I think we're saying the same thing is that like, cockiness is you start ignoring things. And for me, it's you're so cocky. You know what? No, I'm with you. Because it's intelligence would be the thing of you can't possibly get it. You start ignoring tactics because you're because you're cocky, as opposed to like, you're like, Oh, I'm wise. So you know, it's a trap. And you go in fucking anyway. That's low intelligence, high charisma. He may be neither to be in terms of intelligence and wisdom.

[31:51] Conner Marx: Yeah, again, it's such a slippery slope in thinking of the druidic ranger archetype. Yeah, think forest means wise, but I don't know, maybe not.

[32:01] Will Champion: Well, he's new to the wood. He's not a forest man. He ran in there.

[32:07] Conner Marx: But that is true. He lives in a hall want to have sex with the chicken, dude.

[32:15] Will Champion: Clucky. Really? I need to know that.

[32:19] Conner Marx: Yeah, say more. Oh, man. Powerful. So she's ready to go and said, Oh, we're thinking I'm thinking of the bard, the rooster bird. No, no, no, not the fucking outing. I clucky that the lady in waiting chicken. Okay.

[32:34] Will Champion: That makes sense. Come on. Now, you know that I'm a little john and me and me and the chicken are getting it on suddenly. Come on now, little bridges. Let's go. Let's sing a song, baby.

[32:44] Conner Marx: Yeah, time times and say, I do not. I do not need chicken.

[32:49] Will Champion: Roger Miller to seduce me.

[32:53] Conner Marx: Every town.

[32:58] Will Champion: The facial expressions that will is making.

[33:05] Conner Marx: Dude, but I mean, come on now. Roger Miller. Stop it. The music.

[33:12] Will Champion: Stop it.

[33:13] Conner Marx: Nottingham.

[33:16] Will Champion: How's he plucking them strings with them feathers? That's crazy.

[33:19] Conner Marx: Yeah. So what's the next one?

[33:22] Will Champion: Well, I think we're well met on Robin Hood.

[33:25] Conner Marx: Yeah. You're trying to be efficient and move on. I'm just talking. Wow. You don't have that much time.

[33:27] Will Champion: And I all right. So next one. I want to get one from the X-Men because this is what I want to do my next Baldur's Gate build. So this is not only like, you know, no sheet for Sherlock. I need this is real world practical. We are going to we are going to make Ninja Turtle get the Yankees out of it. So stand by. We'll get there. I need how do I build Magneto in Baldur's Gate three? How do I do that?

[33:52] Conner Marx: OK, so telekinesis powers, I guess, is we're going to be we're going to have balls hard.

[33:57] Will Champion: Yo, oh, that's you're going to eat every tadpole.

[34:03] Conner Marx: Oh, no. Whatever will I do? Yeah. Which also feels right for him. Right. He's just like, no, I need the power to fly. Whatever means kick ass.

[34:07] Will Champion: Yeah. Magneto's Gazerbeam.

[34:14] Conner Marx: No, Magneto is the Helmet Boy, but not Jake Gyllenhaal.

[34:22] Will Champion: No. Ian McKellen. Mysterio.

[34:27] Conner Marx: Mysterio from Spider-Man.

[34:33] Will Champion: Oh, Helmet with Cape and M name. As far as I'm just going to sit here and enjoy. I just like you're funny to somebody that's outside of it. That's like, OK, Helmet and Cape is like that's a superhero in font. So that like Magneto, Mysterio, who else are Helmet and Cape?

[34:40] Conner Marx: Vision's sort of there. He's got a thing in his head and Cape. Sure. Helmet and Cape.

[34:48] Will Champion: Quail Man.

[34:56] Conner Marx: Quail Man. More of a crown in the Cape. But yes, Quail Man. Quail Man would be a fun one. Quail Man is a Quail Man is a child NPC.

[35:05] Will Champion: OK, this is this is one that I admittedly is a bit of a more generational. This is a this is a 90s. There's a show called Doug that Alex and I grew up with. I don't know about you two. And Doug Doug Funny was the protagonist and he had an alter ego that he would draw.

[35:15] Conner Marx: Have you seen Hey Arnold?

[35:21] Will Champion: Quail Man. Yeah. Doug is like Doug walked. So Hey Arnold could run. I will put pictures of me as Quail Man for Halloween with no beard on and underwear outside of that. I waited tables in this costume before I moved to New York. I will put pictures of him on the discord.

[35:33] Conner Marx: OK, help me. Yes, we've got I'm eating tadpoles, but we've got no further than that. What species? OK, I mean, if you've got a suggestion, I mean, he's a dude.

[35:48] Will Champion: Well said. Let's go. Let's start with a class.

[35:54] Conner Marx: Yeah. Is this is this wild magic or studied magic? If I'm if I may start us elsewhere, just give me like a quick summary. Magneto, he was a child in the Holocaust. He was separated from his parents in when he was put into the camps. And this trauma awakened his powers to control metal. Fast forward to the present day when mutants are being persecuted. He takes the more radical stance of never again will we be at the mercy of men just following orders. It is time for us to make our own space. We are the next step in human evolution. We must move forward, not back.

[36:25] Will Champion: Wow.

[36:33] Conner Marx: Yeah. He's my guy. Wow. And they try to paint him. He's a he's a hero now these days because the world has fallen apart. He started as a villain, as a bad guy. And now he's a good guy because the world cannot justify him being a bad guy anymore. His powers, he has control of a metal to the nth degree. What class has heat metal?

[36:54] Will Champion: Don't know. Is that any of them?

[36:58] Conner Marx: Great. So one of those is my suggestion. Again, my gut reaction for many mutants, particularly a mutant that is a sorcerer, is sorcery. So it's it's innate. It's not not something studied.

[37:07] Will Champion: Yeah. So that leaves us in Baldur's Gate with draconic wild storm. And then in patch eight, they're going to be shadow as well.

[37:14] Conner Marx: I'm going to push against wild because it feels like he's pretty in control of himself.

[37:18] Will Champion: True. Yeah.

[37:22] Conner Marx: Yeah. True. Definitely not wild magic. I think storm sorcery once you cut in Baldur's Gate, at least when you cast a spell, you got to fly speed for a minute.

[37:29] Will Champion: Yeah. I think the argument for draconic is that it's elemental per the dragon. Therefore, like copper dragon copper. Yeah. We're kind of playing fast and loose.

[37:39] Conner Marx: Yeah. No, I like that. I like that. OK, I'm into that. Do we stay sorcerer all the way through all the way to multi class?

[37:49] Will Champion: That's the spark of, like, you know, the magic. There's always also anybody who anybody who starts anybody who becomes a leader of men.

[37:58] Will Champion: I always feel like there's a little bit of Bard in there because you can give him a performance background or whatever like you're like because he is I mean Magneto is if nothing else I mean like he is magnetic right he is an incredibly charismatic character. Is there any merit to taking the telekinesis feat? Sure again I'm going to be gobbling up those tadpoles in this instance because you get all the psychic mind movie uh mind resist things in there um and also there's something another like Magneto classic is he's unafraid to be the be the monster people see him as yeah to achieve the goals for his people so like moving in that monstrous route is kind of fun I mean there's there's the common man shit going on there yeah well honestly that like I'm gonna stick up for a level to the little like a level of paladin because he isn't I mean he's a true believer for sure that's true he is a zealot in in a lot of ways um but his power definitely doesn't come from that a god yeah so I don't think you'd stop his power his power is in him what it comes from is there isn't a dnd thing that does the like stanley mutant thing of the trauma of losing your innocence gives you power I mean like in the books sorcerers kind of do that something awakens it yeah kind of like it's always in you I kind of love draconic actually as I'm sitting here there's something very flavorful about that in a funky roundabout way okay and then we go like human we just do it I think he's just a human because I also think that gives you that jack of all trades yeah nonsense that that is he's sort of good at everything right he's pretty proficient at a lot of shit all right I think I don't know about that he's good at the things he's particularly good at okay and then that's why he wears that fucking helmet right because he has no resistance again that's true he's got none he's gotta build that shit for himself yeah resist would this be psychic yeah yeah he throws on a helmet specifically because professor again I say they're definitely never lovers they've never ever had any feelings towards each other in that way uh but to resist that magneto built that helmet which stops his mind from being red he can't he can't get probed that way I said what I said with my full chest okay yeah he can't get probed that way you heard it here first yes say again for the camera how he can't get probed he can't get probed that way no head for magneto oh put that on booty shorts I'll wear it these are my start wearing catchphrases on booty shorts that was my summer 2025 do it this show will be done I'll be sad I'll need to make some bold moves to keep myself what's the first catchphrase obviously no oh those are big money many people for you yeah put it on red bubble there's the tst red bubble okay I feel satisfied I feel if somebody listening to this later wants to throw comments on the instagram post about this I'm a 30 30 how to rebuild maybe though okay in booty shorts why your ass so long dude you got a 30 inch long ass the shit eating grin on conner's face I guess yeah in shorts yes it's a booty it's just like a 32 it's booty shorts um I want the full like 80s like coming out slice up so it's like yeah a little like v up the side with like the like the white trim yeah exactly yes this is rocky and apollo running on the fucking beach yeah yeah my uncle wears that stuff unironically yeah of course he does how many shorts does he also have a bitch in camaro that he watches while he wears them oh I don't know he I don't know he doesn't mean fish fry god damn jalapeno peppers or brim fish this is your north carolina uncle shipping this is oh oh yeah it's kick-ass it's maybe a t-bird rondo able I want to rondo able yeah that is a dmg character his middle name is it is there any reason for me to not say my uncle's full name on this podcast we're giving him his full name and miss the address rondo grayson able grayson yeah we're gonna have to go through and like bleep this out after ow yeah uh man that's just like a it doesn't sound like a man who's all over the internet so I suspect not yeah I am a hot for symmetry so we've had three suggestions so far from three people at the table we need one more oh for me yeah oh man okay we were gonna do x-mans um oh man uh well all right we said we invoked ninja turtles earlier yes um splinter oh split uh oh we do rat folk out the gate yep my immediate instinct is monk I mean monk is monk's real easy for anybody in that because the ninja is on the 10 may I posit because open hand is easy and could work for almost anybody I'm going to posit the way of mercy I love that I think that's huge for splinter it does both that's the only monk I know that you have like the hands of harm and healing like you can do ridiculous amounts of damage and also help your allies and both of them it's like a support monk with scary potential and the splinter to me has always been yes he's the the old wise rat he will whip your ass beat it's one of my favorite things about the seth rogan movie which kicked ass was good it was so great yeah uh is that we got to see splinter beat some ass yeah which was really fun yeah I was oh I had a blast at that it's such a good movie they did not need to cast paul rudd in that who was paul rudd the one of the weird mutants oh okay yeah fly or something he's just in there he was and it wasn't even like paul rudd doing a fun mutant it was just paul rudd no no but it was also like seth just you know getting his boy in yeah I can't handle I get it yeah I get it uh okay the rest of the casting was so good also it's jackie chan splinter in it it neat yeah oh yeah perfect I feel that that was the way to get mr miyagi and fucking splinter oh he's not he's mr han sorry in his karate kid can we speed round the through the ninja turtles here I think so at least just classes yeah sure I mean I said for yeah rip shit earlier but like feels it feels like there's something missing for me I don't know what it is yet I'll keep thinking on it it may just be like some strange resistances that I got to deal with I mean there's also part of it to me is like they're all monks because they're like no we can't we gotta we gotta branch past that no I was gonna say that specifically for rafael you do a strength-based barbarian monk multi-class with the tavern brawler feat a la baldur's gate 3 yeah so you're dealing with you when you pop off and you tap into that anger you start grabbing stuff well yeah you're towing the line between your training and your wrath and you start beating the brakes off of anybody around you they kind of all have some tavern brawler stuff just I mean especially if we're looking at the movies because they do the first fight in secret of the o's rules where they're in the like mall and they're all fighting each other with the inflatable bouncy thing yeah yeah the weeble wobble oh wow deep call there like that and uh the yo-yo uh-huh I think he's nunchucking with sausages at one point yeah yeah yeah god I've seen that movie so much I still quote some of that movie god I've never even seen Paris so that's that's raf so good Michelangelo I have a hot take go for it Bob I mean that's what I said earlier I said he's a bar I do I like the idea that he's doing impressions all the time he's talking shit all the time his deal is charisma and like also if you look at the way that they fight he Mikey's the heart of the group yeah like like there he is bolstering them there with my as long as Mikey's having fun they're winning yeah um I do think there's a world in which you could multi specifically like multi-class monk into all of them just for the flavor yeah um just so they're like very flamboyant there a lot I said it earlier I think Leonardo's got to be a paladin but not a paladin to a god in the like the new age paladin sort of archetype where it's you're you're swearing an oath he is upholding himself as the leader of this group and I feel like I don't think he's just a martial fighter yeah I would I would push for him to be something intelligence-based because Leonardo yeah not Donatello Donatello is an artificer yeah that's what I thought but those aren't as purple I miss Leonardo is blue to two katanas leader yeah and I I do see fight up but I think it's more than that particularly there's a newer animated version of the Ninja Turtles where it's essentially the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles anime and they're all fucking teleporting around and doing all the gorgeous fight I think Nakamura did some of the frames for its great work um and that I think it pushed the boundary of how I look at the turtles even if they're not they don't have magic powers it can be interpreted visually in that medium and I like the idea of Leonardo spinning in the air his two katanas glinting in the sunlight and that coming down as a almost metaphorical smite it's got a pack more punch than just some dude hitting extra attack six times that's fair I mean that's fair they are also like everything's spiritual right like they are they are they have to be eastern philosophy coded and to get it to the kids what just happened over there held in its knees because it was while he was talking about spirituality it looks like I thought you were I thought you were just like you've been like yeah I was trying to be less distracting obviously it's all good but yeah man intelligence which one it's I don't know it's so hard because my brain obviously for dnd goes to spellcaster purposes but I don't know artificer he's a tech bro right like yeah yes it's I would it's in the theme song Donatello does machines sing the thing Leonardo leads Donatello does machines Raphael is cool but cruel give me a break Michelangelo is a party dude teenage mutant ninja turtles teenage mutant ninja turtles teenage mutant ninja turtles turtle power wow it's so so deeply yeah it's buried like about early smosh videos yeah oh god they did one of those years ago ridiculous but yeah man I think that's the thing is that they're like if we did the power rangers too it be like like one of them is always like I'm a nerd who loves machine there's like their computer guy yeah I've started a buffy uh the vampire slayer rewatch because it's time and uh that's another fun no sheep for Sherlock the whole it would be great yeah the whole crew but like it's also like willows well willow is a witch but I would say warlock by the end of it but that's super duper super duper by the end of it but anyway um well this has been a blast uh I think we can oh yeah thanks for sneaking in on the nonsense I love it anytime we uh get like crunchy and weird it's good on this one so yeah that's it again y'all uh get tickets this week if you're local or can get here uh one rehearsal with sam and it's gonna be it's wild um yeah and please leave us a review if you're on a reviewing podcast platform leave us some stars if you're on a star one hit share shorts if you make yeah yeah make booty shorts if you make them uh yeah uh let people know that there's a podcast element to this dumb show as well uh we love you all thank you friends till next time turtle power

[50:10] Will Champion: Hey friends thanks again for listening one more time samantha baird's gonna be at the tavern from april 10th to the 15th it's just eight shows you are not gonna want to miss them come out and party with us thanks for listening see you next week