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[0:00] Shelby Reilly: I mean, I'll say it right into the microphone. These people think you watch the show a lot more than you do. I know! Like, I saw a couple questions and I was like, I have answers for these, but some of these, my job is not at the show every night.

[0:30] Alex: No, it's not. I watch the show more on tour now than I watched off-Broadway. Sure, for sure. Of course you do, because you're here, so I have something to do, but like, there was so much going on and I loved it. As soon as people started asking questions, I was like, guys, these are fan questions. Literally, I was like, oh, okay, all right. Yeah, the one that was like, what's your favorite, did some people, what's your favorite MPC or did they say PC? I think there was favorite, there's favorite PCs, there's favorite MPCs, there's all that. I think you got BBG questions, but it was just like, it was very funny that immediately our fandom was like, oh, what are all your favorite things about our favorite thing, the Twenty Sided Tavern, which I like, I do love about them so much.

[1:27] Alex: Hey, everybody, welcome back. It's Ale and Wellmet. It's me, Alex, and Shelby Riley's here today. Hello.

[1:34] Shelby Reilly: She is our, how many hats you got on these days?

[1:38] Alex: Like honestly, too many to count. If there's a hat, I'm wearing it. I feel like me being on here is very funny because I'm like the unlockable NPC.

[1:46] Shelby Reilly: Yes. I'm the unlockable character for every fan. There's no way you can do it. Like, you can't figure out who I am unless you're involved.

[1:55] Alex: Oh, yeah. You truly have to care. You have to like know what's up. Well, yeah, I mean, you're a social, you're a Discord moderator. You're technically most of our social media team right now.

[2:06] Shelby Reilly: Yep.

[2:07] Alex: And then like just an amazing catch all for all of us traveling all over the country. You've driven halfway to Nashville, Tennessee to pick up a bag before.

[2:17] Shelby Reilly: Sure did. No, please, to pick up people. That was to pick up you guys.

[2:21] Alex: You were supposed to get us and then we didn't go there. Which is maybe a story worth telling.

[2:27] Shelby Reilly: No, that is worth telling, actually.

[2:29] Alex: But yeah, thanks for sitting down. Thanks for hanging out. Like the people want to know, this will give you a chance also to address everyone who's ever asked you when we're coming to their city.

[2:39] Shelby Reilly: Oh, my God. When will you wear wigs? When will you wear wigs? Every single time somebody hits me with, right now it's Florida. Florida's my problem child at the moment. Every single person that's like, when will you come to Florida? It's every single message. And you know what? We are coming to Florida. I just can't tell you when or where. We're going to be there for so long.

[2:56] Alex: But also like things change on the route like so often that like there are definitely places that like are not confirmed that people are like, can we come to this state? And I'm like, I would love to. That sounds great.

[3:11] Shelby Reilly: Sure. We want to be everywhere all the time, all the places. Well, let's go. Let's start all the way from the beginning. Shall we?

[3:16] Alex: Oh, sure.

[3:18] Alex: The first actual question that everybody, the first time they're on this podcast gets asked, which is, what is your relationship with Dungeons and Dragons like?

[3:27] Shelby Reilly: Oh, amazing. So I first started playing Dungeons and Dragons, I would say in around like 2019 is whenever I started FBA.

[3:36] Shelby Reilly: Right before it was cool. Just the tiniest bit of hipster cred there.

[3:45] Shelby Reilly: Yeah, literally. I had always like known about it. It had always been like in the nerd sphere around me, but it hadn't quite like I was working at the time. And like, I'll get into this when I talk about like my backstory. But I was working at the time at like an immersive company that like all we did was nerd shit. So I had to know about like every all the nerd shit.

[4:07] Alex: Once you're in the sphere, you sort of, you got to.

[4:10] Shelby Reilly: You have to. You have to. And like D&D was something that I always like, especially growing up, like it was always like, hmm, maybe not the game for the girlies. Like, I feel like I encountered a lot in like growing up people who would be like, oh, that's like, it's too complicated or like it's not it's not for girls. And it's like, okay, there's too many rules for your tiny brain.

[4:31] Shelby Reilly: You're just so dumb. You just don't understand it.

[4:34] Alex: Oh, my lord, you want me to? Oh, how will I ever differentiate between a d12 and then add three to it? Because of my modifier?

[4:42] Shelby Reilly: Bless them. It's just too much.

[4:44] Shelby Reilly: Too hard. Yeah. There was like no girls allowed. Ness to like murder in general. There's still definitely elements of that, which like I do see traces of it on social sometimes. But no. So that's how I started playing D&D. My first character was a druid.

[5:03] Shelby Reilly: I did just open this up by being like, defend yourself.

[5:06] Alex: Oh, no, no. For sure. For sure. I'm like, hello. Why do you work here?

[5:10] Shelby Reilly: I mean, it's OK. The producer of the show when asked that question was like, I don't really play. Yeah, he's like, so I like games in general.

[5:18] Shelby Reilly: So, yeah, my first character was a druid. Drow, but like a nice drow. She's different. Her name is Bards. She's named after a Turkish cave system.

[5:30] Alex: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[5:32] Shelby Reilly: I'm solid. Oh, yeah, for sure. Talk about stuff in like real life. Shelby and I end up sitting quietly and yammering at each other like a lot before shows, especially in New York. I'm this is all I'm getting all this for the first time. I didn't know.

[5:44] Shelby Reilly: Yeah, no. If I had my character sheet, I'd be able to tell you I have it on my phone somewhere. I love her, though. She like wanted to get up into the light and into the world.

[5:54] Shelby Reilly: Literally. Yeah. And like Barza is like she's usually on her own in a literal cave system. There's I named so I flipped the names because there's a Turkish princess who was known for going like for this like specific cave system that then it got named after her or whatever. But yeah, so Barza is is her name. I love her.

[6:14] Alex: Oh, yeah. I'm a fucking nerd. Like I'm like, oh, my God. Like I know about random little girl losses throughout history. Like I'd like I love I love learning about that shit.

[6:24] Shelby Reilly: Great. Like that's that's true. Nerdery, right? Oh, yeah. Like like what was your nerd origin story?

[6:30] Alex: Mine's like I liked school. Like people taught me stuff and I was like, oh, cool. What good information.

[6:36] Shelby Reilly: So for me, I mean, like if we really get into the meat of it, like I my like nerd origin story is whenever I was a little little I lived in the mountains of North Carolina. I lived in Appalachia and everybody told folk tales.

[6:49] Shelby Reilly: Yeah. Like everybody told folk tales.

[6:51] Alex: God, campfire stories, baby.

[6:53] Shelby Reilly: Yeah. Oh, my God. And like I like I was really close friends with kids from the Cherokee Reservation and like I would go quite frequently. And so like I grew up with like people telling legends.

[7:04] Alex: That's awesome. And so like it's something where like the older I got, like I used to read every scary stories to tell in the dark.

[7:10] Shelby Reilly: Yo. Like, oh, that's my shit.

[7:13] Shelby Reilly: Like I love fantasy. The girl who scares herself to death because she stabs.

[7:16] Alex: Yes. I can't. It's so it's so scary.

[7:19] Shelby Reilly: I think I literally already screamed into the mic now, but we're good. But yeah, so like I that's that's what like made me kind of obsessed with nerdery in general. And then I always was like reading all the time. Native American folklore also beats like especially like learning it when you're little. I grew up with a lot of the Cherokees. I'm from North Georgia. So like I got that we're I'm from what was the the capital of the Cherokee Nation until we were super not cool.

[7:45] Shelby Reilly: Sure. And but like there's a lot of history there still. And I they took us out to like old burial grounds.

[7:53] Shelby Reilly: Oh, my God. And like at night. Yeah. Haunted, haunted, haunted, haunted elders come out and like, yeah, for right that we've like it's like these are ancient burial grounds that we have built observation platforms over. Everything's fine. And told us like like creation stories and tales and stuff. So at like nine, I was like, oh, man, church, not as cool as this.

[8:15] Alex: Well, totally. And like my mom is like super like superstitious Irish witch bullshit. Like I like me. I don't remember seeing that church up in my town. Methodist, Presbyterian, superstitious Irish witch.

[8:32] Shelby Reilly: Hell yeah. I'd have gone there for a pancake dinner on a Wednesday night.

[8:35] Alex: Exactly. Are you kidding? So it's like my mom and I being like the wind has secrets and like sure, like especially being in these like old haunted mountains, like the Appalachian Mountains are the oldest mountains in the world.

[8:48] Shelby Reilly: They are. There's a reason that Stephen King is from there. There's a reason that like Rip Van Winkle is from there.

[8:54] Alex: Like the Appalachian Mountains are full of the Rocky Mountains are scary. Sure. The demons don't. They're too lazy. They're not coming all the way up to them. Big ass mountains. They're also like there's so much more like cryptids, I'd say.

[9:05] Shelby Reilly: Yes. Unlike West Coast Mountains.

[9:06] Alex: Yes. It's like there's it's haunted.

[9:09] Shelby Reilly: Yes. Like there are ghosts in these trees.

[9:11] Alex: Yes, absolutely.

[9:12] Shelby Reilly: And some of the trees are ghosts like every fucking tree.

[9:16] Alex: Right. Like every every to quote Pocahontas, sort of.

[9:21] Shelby Reilly: Oh, no. Every rock, every spirit has a name, whatever.

[9:27] Alex: I was like, what are you grinning about, Bobcat?

[9:30] Shelby Reilly: One time. Yeah, dude. But it's yeah, East Coast, the like the folklore that is just totally here.

[9:37] Shelby Reilly: Totally. And like I've always been like more like witchy and stuff like that. So like I feel like I kind of just naturally like always gravitated towards like like fantasy stuff.

[9:50] Shelby Reilly: I mean, like I was reading me and my best friend in middle school. His name's Griffin. Shout out. What's up? Big G.

[9:57] Shelby Reilly: Like he and I like read about Wicca together. Like, yeah, he's like right now like a bodybuilder. And I'm like and meanwhile, I have this like tiny memory of being like 12 years old, being like Wicca is really cool. And it's not like it's not like demon.

[10:11] Alex: It's not. No, it's not demons.

[10:13] Shelby Reilly: No, it's mostly it's not satanic. It's mostly feasting and tea.

[10:17] Alex: And it's literally it's like, please go outside and be conscious of it.

[10:21] Shelby Reilly: Yeah, it's mostly like look at a tree and be thankful. It's literally touch grass, the religion. Like, please, like, please go touch grass. Some of the grass back to your room. Boil it. Smell the grass. Congrats. You're a witch. Exactly.

[10:37] Shelby Reilly: So, yeah, that's rad.

[10:39] Alex: Yeah. So that's like how I got into it.

[10:42] Alex: And how do you so how do you find yourself? How did that end up? You were at this other company working on immersive stuff, and then you just apply for a job.

[10:52] Shelby Reilly: So, OK, here's the fun thing. So for four years, I worked at a company called Future Proof. It's a transmedia company that basically told stories within its live events and immersive shows. And the stories would continue on online. So your favorite characters, like if they were if you were at a live event and there was two people who are gamers in the corner, like you could go online and they would be actually gaming online. Like it was it was such like a huge ecosystem of just stuff. We had a fake news like we had a fake like television station. Like we had like content that we made. Like a lot of what I did there was like directing film shoots and like basically coordinating live shows and then going online and being like, OK, we have to make a puzzle like it was a lot of art shit.

[11:34] Alex: That's cool. Yeah.

[11:36] Shelby Reilly: I was super fun. We made a video game in 2020 called P Suite. It's on Steam. You can still get it, right? It's definitely a video game that was made with like five people who were all stressed out, but hey, it was made. Sure.

[11:49] Shelby Reilly: But so, yeah, I worked at Future Proof for four years. Company shut down in 2023. Just like kind of like lack of funding just kind of like went to bed. And like the company is still like the website's going back up in a while. And like there's content from that. And most things end.

[12:09] Alex: Yeah. And like the project's going on a show. Like there's lots of. Yeah.

[12:12] Shelby Reilly: So most things end. And like I was there, like I started working there. I had like my first like adult adult gig because like I started working in the industry when I was like 18, basically. So I went to this a good time to do this. I went to Marymount Manhattan College. Shout out. Sure. And now it's like sort of northeastern. It just got acquired. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Doesn't good night moon.

[12:37] Shelby Reilly: And so I studied theater new media. I was in the second graduating class, so I was able to really have a lot of agency and control over what I learned. So like that's, I think you might be one of the first people I've met like we talked about all this how we got into all this shit and like it's constantly for us. It's like, yeah, I don't know man. This was not an option. Nobody was this in 2003 when I was taking classes. Nobody could and haven't anticipated any of it. Absolutely. I mean like I was taking classes where in one class it was the history of experimental theater and then the next class I was coding like video sensors, like motion sensors. And so like a lot of the work that I did personally was like installation-based art. Like it's like I have some couple projects that it's just like I always sit with in the corner and noodle around with whenever I'm bored.

[13:25] David Carpenter: Say more.

[13:27] Shelby Reilly: Oh, like that's fun. So I have a project that's been on a shelf for like two years now that I literally take it down and I work on it probably every month. Sweet. It is. So I paint these little tiny two-inch by two-inch business cards. They're old business cards from an old business in New York and I started out doing this because I wanted something just like stop judging myself and like the art that I was making. Yeah, and 'cause I'm not necessarily like I'm not a trained painter and like sure, but like I'm somebody who like I've studied so much art that like I got too caught up in like what if it's bad and like I needed to start making something bad and so if you want to make something good.

[14:05] David Carpenter: Yeah, totally.

[14:06] Shelby Reilly: And it was just like took a really long time for me to get like comfy with being bad at stuff again and like I, so a couple years ago, I started painting and I have over 700 paintings. I literally have them in my hotel room right now. I'm working on some that's great. Oh, yeah, and like basically I want to put them up on a wall and look at them. Well, I want to like the install that I want to do is I want to make, you know, movable blinds? Yeah, so I want to make them into movable blinds, cool, and like have it where like in an install they basically like moves with a motion sensor and follows you through the room. Very cool. So that's like part of what I want to do. Basically a lot of like what I work on personally is like bringing back whimsy. Like I like my whole, yeah, my whole shtick is like be like it's it's always, I mean, yeah, like it's just like bringing back whimsy. So yeah, that's that's like a project I've been working on on the side for years.

[15:00] David Carpenter: Well, then this was perfect for you. You came into this the same way that the fucking rest of us did is that it was just what you're like, oh, well, I can do all those things.

[15:05] Shelby Reilly: Totally, totally. I mean like so I actually like crazily enough met David at a show that he came to at my job at Future Proof. We met briefly and I was the associate producer there. I walked in, said hi, walked out. That's the extent of our conversation. I think I said like hi, I'm Shelby, nice to meet you. And he was like, I am David Carpenter, proof the shows, the totally totally.

[15:28] David Carpenter: And so.

[15:29] Shelby Reilly: Yeah, like I met them at that and then the company shut down and I started immediately working at an Italian events company called Cheap Riani, which is a international Italian brand may or may not be ran by the mafia. I can confirm that they are called the family. So that tells you everything you need to know.

[15:46] David Carpenter: And I did they're projecting it then at the very, I just certain like literally.

[15:54] Shelby Reilly: We have to talk to the fucking family like shut up, like shut up. They're like, oh you can't go downstairs in the basement because that room belongs to the family there. They have a basement that's where the wilting magical roses. So there is a room in Cheap Riani Wall Street that has it's locked away and it has like all of these different materials from whenever one person from the family wanted to do a boxing night. It's just a bunch of boxing shit in the Cheap Riani Wall Street basement.

[16:23] David Carpenter: People spend.

[16:24] Shelby Reilly: No, Murray, you don't understand people spend like half a million dollars on like their like wedding or gala. You're sure and that's on the food. That's not even on the AV. The AV is like $200,000 or $100,000 or something insane. So I was the like essentially production manager for their events. So I ran Autism Speaks events. I ran a national book. I did the American Australian Society, a bunch of different ones, the Hellenic, that's like a Greek institution in New York. Huge. Yeah. Yeah, so like I did a bunch of client work, which actually oddly enough like has really helped me here.

[17:01] David Carpenter: Man, yeah, like in any project manager position whatever the book just.

[17:03] Shelby Reilly: Oh God. Yeah, people that want things right? Geez.

[17:10] David Carpenter: Yeah, boy, two people who give you their money want exactly the thing that they want. It's crazy.

[17:16] Shelby Reilly: Totally, especially if they have no idea how to make it. Well, even like just talking to strangers right now, like it's like I'm on the phone with David on these calls talking to different markets being like hi, so this is the show and they're like, so Dungeons & Dragons, my boyfriend seven years ago played that and he liked it. So I feel like I really have like I really know what's up. So I know it's up. But I like really appreciate that everyone tries to throw in that like they everyone's heard of it. They just all have their own random story. I think that happens to me all the time now and I it's funny 'cause you're like living this active. It's really easy for I think a lot of those of us that are in this, they're like all I do is play fucking Dungeons & Dragons and like you run into people that just like.

[18:07] David Carpenter: Don't.

[18:08] Shelby Reilly: I started I was on vacation for the last week and a half and meeting a lot of people and they were like, what do you do? I'm an actor. Okay. Are you in anything I've seen you in? Yes. Yeah, I was in Boardwalk Empire. Oh, wow. Yep. I you don't remember me. I was in it for a very short time. But what do you do now? It's a live interactive Dungeons & Dragons improvisational experience and there are two reactions to that one is huh and the other one is holy shit awesome, but like there's the secret third when we're all so like there's just like yes.

[18:41] David Carpenter: They don't even know what to do.

[18:44] Shelby Reilly: Right, so many words that they're like none of those words were play or movie or TV so I don't understand what you're talking about and then you you know explain it to them. But like I think somebody was doing press literally years ago. I think in but I think in Pittsburgh and they took the decider into a TV station and they were like it was the damnedest thing to have no one recognize this thing. Nobody went look at the big d20 was just a bunch of people going what's that?

[19:15] David Carpenter: So we just went to WG and news in Chicago. Yeah.

[19:22] Shelby Reilly: Maddie, yeah. Yeah, so we just went we brought the decider to that when I tell you there was like we walked in the building this one guy who I'm assuming is a reporter there because he knew our press agent from Broadway in Chicago. He immediately was like, oh my god. I'm such a nerd. Like can I bring my palate? Yeah, I was like, yeah, come on come down. I literally told him I was like you have no you have no choice. We're here until September 28th. Yeah, you're coming get down but like everybody else when we walked onto the set they were like like very politely being like it's so look at that. I mean, that's how it goes again. I was in the woods in Maine and people were like, oh cool. Cool. Nice.

That's awesome. Well, I'm glad you're hey, I'm glad you're working out for you. Thanks, dude. I'm glad day trading is good for you or whatever, but except for one dude who meets me and goes no way and we start talking. He goes hold on. Wait a minute like something goes. Oh you like bars of New York, too? I'm a freaking huge Will Champion fan. I was like no shit and like I was just like, oh well like yeah, it's just very funny how like you know totally you're in or you're out, right? Totally. Yeah. Yeah.

[20:25] Shelby Reilly: I mean and like a lot of people are willing to learn about it. You just have to tell them it's not scary. Um, it's not it's just story gambling guys. No, I know it's to go all this actually to go all the way back to your mom's a witch with the secrets in the wind exactly. I talk about this all the time. It's throwing bones man. Oh sure. Essentially what you're doing is hucking bones all the time. So you're literally telling the future what's about to happen BAM. Oh what's about to happen is Barry von goblin to submit shoot itself in the dick but it's like it's absolutely when people are like, it's satanic. I'm like kind of like it's got some energy to it for sure. It's witchcraft and I'm like kind of it's it's for sure like intense and magical in a way that freaks you the F out. But yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it's super but not that scary comes to whatever.

[21:21] David Carpenter: No, literally, um, yeah, so yeah back to the mafia.

[21:27] Shelby Reilly: Worked boxing event. Yeah, like like literally no, no, we just couldn't touch the boxing equipment like so stupid as if I'm gonna go down there to the basement sure in my windowless box where I'm like doing paperwork for like they're cursed and that's where all the don't go destroy the Mafia's horcruxes, dude, dude, literally this building is so crazy. So did events for them? It's their it's their picture. It's the boxing gloves of Dorian Gray down there, man. I can't touch them Cheap Riani owns most of the waterfront property in New York. That's all you need to know. Um, so all the dogs you won't get disappeared.

[22:07] David Carpenter: Boom.

[22:08] Shelby Reilly: So the funny thing is is I so I started I got miserable buried in the balloon museum. Literally, I got so miserable and I was like I have to get out and then I saw the 20-sided was like ready like ramping up for off-Broadway and I applied. I 90% sure in my email. I was like, um, you've met me once would be would be cool to say hello again and I.

[22:34] David Carpenter: Turns out while I was applying my boss at Cheap Riani was working on the lobby.

[22:43] Shelby Reilly: My boss at Cheap Riani was our lobby designer.

[22:47] David Carpenter: Wild.

[22:47] Shelby Reilly: Yes, so like there was one day where like Jonathan was talking about this show and I was interviewing that night that and he was like hilarious like pulled me aside at Cheap Riani because he wasn't supposed to be working. I mean not that he wasn't supposed to be working like you can't yeah. Yeah, like weird to talk about like your side gigs at your at your big job or what? I'm very strange people really really do want you to be devoted to your their thing.

[23:09] David Carpenter: Well, especially with corporate like like a Cheap Riani's like if anybody smelled that you wanted to do anything else they'd be like, well, sorry what?

[23:14] Shelby Reilly: Some there was one day where Jonathan and I were talking boxing gloves literally, please. Yeah, Jonathan was like, you know just between you and me I'm working on this new immersive show and I was like say more words. Yeah, yeah, I know I know about this.

[23:31] David Carpenter: So funny.

[23:34] Shelby Reilly: And he fully was like yeah, I'm designing the lobby at the 20-sided tavern and I was like, oh, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool. That's all my interview is later tonight.

[23:44] David Carpenter: The wind does have a secret.

[23:48] Shelby Reilly: You guys need to be in this show and it's the first time I've ever quit a job. I've never like I've always had like, yeah, I've always had like gigs and unnatural ending and so this is the first time I've ever quit anything. So I got offered the.

[24:03] David Carpenter: No, never been fired.

[24:05] Shelby Reilly: Never fired. No, I haven't I have a chance. Well, you were leaving you could have just gone down and stolen boxing gloves dude, literally like well, I wasn't sure like I you don't need to be that fired. Oh, yeah. I did not not that fired by the Mafia. I'm not taking my life into my own hands like that. So yeah, no literally like he I got hired as the assistant company manager. I had to go to Jonathan and quit and then say I'll see you in the meetings. Do you know how fucking buckwild it is? I mean kind of great. Oh, I would imagine that he was a little a little like under the table he's like.

[24:40] David Carpenter: No, literally like I was so good at that job and he was like no like I need I need you to be here but he also was like shit. I'll see you and like the next call we were on it was like literally me and me and Jonathan at one point we're like, hey nice to meet you. I'll send you an invoice later.

[25:13] Shelby Reilly: And then the company manager at the time, Drew, left to move to Indiana. He wanted to go, I think he's like the assistant director of a performing arts company. I don't really know. People move around and it's really funny how much people will be moving around in this world during transitional periods. It's just like this jumble and people will be somewhere for a minute and then somewhere for a minute and then end up somewhere.

[25:38] Shelby Reilly: Totally. And yeah, so I ended up taking over the company manager position. I had never company managed before. I had handled ticketing before. So like, what is a company manager? Great.

[25:52] Shelby Reilly: Yes. Great question. I was going to ask that. I was going to say that's what's ended up with you. I mean, because you still definitely kind of do that. Not officially and you're not supposed to. There's aspects, but a lot of what I do now is just general maintenance. It's just maintenance chats. But the personnel management side of things. I mean, what's a company manager?

[26:26] Shelby Reilly: So company management traditionally focuses on ticketing, managing the ticket sales reports, as well as handling any comp tickets. If there's a giveaway, you get told who needs tickets. A lot of the times when you're building the show, you might advise for ticket pricing. I do believe that that usually lives in the general management bucket, but I helped with pricing multiple times for the show. This show is so weird, too, because there's no precedent for anything.

[27:02] Shelby Reilly: Totally. Right. I also am someone who has been like, hey, I'll do this thing. This could be my job. And they were like, oh, yeah, I guess we do need that. That's the thing is I started here and I just started to be like, well, I have this idea. And David would be like, oh, okay. And I think it took like a month before he was like, what do you actually want to be doing? What's your career goals? Could you tell me that? Because he was like, I don't think company management is your thing.

[27:30] Shelby Reilly: You don't want to just sign the receipts every night. Yeah. Yeah. I think he was like, huh? You seem like someone who has a bunch of blind business card paintings in your. What are you up to? You seem to have thoughts. I was talking to the wind the other day and it told me you had secrets.

[27:49] Shelby Reilly: Exactly. Also, I mean, that ain't David, but for sure. Yeah, yeah, no. But yeah, so company management and then like handling people and their travel, their like for tour. I mean, like what Carly, our company manager right now is doing for tour is like 18 times harder than what I was doing on Broadway.

[28:08] Shelby Reilly: Sure, because you didn't have to move. I just went to my house every night. You went to your house and then like every now and again, if it was like, oh, like a Bria Iyengar is coming into town, I would book a flight. I would book a hotel room. And I'd be like, wow, that's crazy tough. And then I wouldn't do it again for like a few weeks. And I'd be like, oh, God, that's horrible. I just went and got like I've been collecting all of my belongings after coming back and I just went and got my trunk from Carly and I said, thank you. This is all I'm going to need for you until like 24 hours from now when I need something else.

[28:40] Shelby Reilly: She was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. No worries. Oh, literally. Like I feel like off Broadway, my main concern was like, what snacks am I buying for them? Thanks for the snacks. Oh, yeah, yeah. Big, big on the snack pile. But yeah, so I. And then you moved. So you did move into like after those conversations and other things, like because before you were AP'ing.

[29:02] Shelby Reilly: I started with the off Broadway. Yeah, I started AP'ing. I was the associate general manager for like a half an hour.

[29:08] Shelby Reilly: That sounds like it doesn't mean anything. Not at all. That sounds like a bunch of goddamn words that they were like, that's I forget what my actual title is, but it's stupid. That means podcast and discord and video.

[29:19] Shelby Reilly: No, literally. Please, digital media consultant. Yeah, exactly. I think it's I think it's yeah. Digital engagement strategist.

[29:25] Shelby Reilly: Sure, sure. Some LinkedIn bullshit. So which is why I was like, yeah, this needs to be a CV line at one point. Absolutely. So yeah, like Heather and I were talking about like what made sense.

[29:38] Shelby Reilly: So Heather's our general manager. We love Heather. I do love her. I would take several bullets for Heather. Yeah. See, OK, so that's the thing is like people are asking like my advice and stuff, and we'll get into that later. So Heather Shields. Wow, I can't wait to completely scroll in a different direction right now. Heather Shields is a podcast girl.

[29:56] Shelby Reilly: Yeah, literally. Heather Shields is our general manager. She's also a producer. She's absolutely fucking incredible. Heather shows on shows on shows on shows. She was just at Edinburgh Fringe with three. I believe so. Yes, yes. So she she's just fucking incredible. She also runs a company called the Business of Broadway.

[30:15] Shelby Reilly: And so like it literally the whole point of her company. And she has like a couple of co-owners and stuff like that. But it's literally to demystify and educate people about the literal business of Broadway because it's not stuff that every college teaches. And like all the stuff that I've learned has not been anything that I've ever learned in college. And so like she like she's just so knowledgeable about all of it and like offers these classes and like highly like I've never taken her classes.

[30:42] Shelby Reilly: I'm going to apparently like not apparently. Eventually, I would love to. I would. Yeah, she's just incredible. Oh, yeah. I mean, like it's a lot about it's a lot more. Each one focuses on different tactics. Like there's there's producing. A lot of it focuses on producing. But no, she's so helpful. And so she and I were talking about like, what did I want? What made sense for me? So then I was at AGM for in half an hour and then.

[31:09] Shelby Reilly: Long enough to chat with her a bunch. Yeah, long enough for like me and her to sit on it and be like, that's not really what I'm doing. Because I would be in these marketing meetings and I'd be like, like, hey, this is what my thoughts are. Here's the photos I have, but like not what a company manager does at all. And then David and I talked. And I think in November of last year, I became the associate producer of the company.

[31:31] Shelby Reilly: Amazing. Congrats. And well, we love you. But like, all right. So what does that mean? What does that mean now? Like you're on the and I do love thank you. Thank you for all this. And I'm excited to have Heather. I like having David because I think we get a lot of questions. And we're going to ask some discord questions in a minute. But we get so constantly people are like, why can't you do this? Why can't you do this? When are you going to do this? And it was nice to have David on here because we get the answer from the producers always going to be the same thing. Money and time like an energy. It's like because we can't because it takes so, so much. There are so many people and honestly, not a ton of people doing so much all the time in this company.

[32:14] Shelby Reilly: So what are you I mean, like, what's your AP? So these days. And part of why people think that we can do literally everything as they see D&D and they're like, oh, my God, Hasbro is paying for it. We pay Hasbro. They are not. We have no money from Hasbro. We love it. We love it. We're so happy to be here. But we don't you're not funded by them. We do not get a piece of the handbooks that you're all buying. Yeah, literally.

[32:39] Shelby Reilly: So I know I get questions sometimes that I'm like, do you understand? OK, no, you don't. Well, David started talking about the like just the I think it was the screen. We got the story of like the screen and how much money the screen costs and all this. And it's just like it helps. It helps. And this is also things I'm excited to have Heather on because people don't understand. You know, I want to be an actor. I want to be in theater. I want to be in stuff. But like all the things that it takes to do it and the myriad of jobs you can. Aren't dude on stage making dumb, dumb jokes, but are like clearly creative. Sure. I mean, yeah.

[33:13] Shelby Reilly: So what am I doing as AP? So I right now I'm exclusively the associate producer for tour. So I no longer like we're not really messing around with like I'm not company managing at all. I told them that I didn't want a company managed tour. They also wanted somebody who had tour experience. I was told to take your ass off of an email at one point. Yeah, I said they were like that ain't Shelby's job. And I was like, OK, no, no. Yes, they do a really great job. I like trying to protect my time and like really divvy out what I'm doing. But so right now I focus on investor relations.

[33:44] Shelby Reilly: So I assist David with a lot of our legal paperwork for investors. I want to make a quick plug for any investors that might be listening. We actually have already capitalized. So legally, we can't accept any more. We can't accept any more investors. So legally, you actually have to set a date for investments. So nobody can invest past August 12th. That's when we opened the tour. Huh? Yeah. Interesting. Nobody legally is allowed to like. We can't have no more. I mean, like you also legally have to set a certain amount, because otherwise it starts to look like money laundering. Like, yeah, that's like partially I mean, like a lot of rules in theater is because.

[34:18] Shelby Reilly: The stock problems. Well, a lot of rules in theater actually came from a lot of like of corruption in the 70s and 80s in theater. Sure. Sure. And like how. It's a plot of the producers. Literally, literally. So, yeah, so we've already capitalized like people. I mean, people can contact us and like, listen, feel free to. But like we can figure other stuff out.

[34:42] Shelby Reilly: Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh, do you want to. I bet there are other ways to make material donations. I bet you could. I I'm sure. Yes. But like, yeah, so technically, like legally, we're already already capitalized. So, yeah, I talked to all the investors. I write them. I call them my little blogs. I write them little updates, which I'm saying this out loud and realizing I've not written one right now. Tough. You're busy.

[35:05] Shelby Reilly: A little bit. So I also work directly with Hasbro. I mean, I'm in the meetings with so we are co-producers for this company are from show path entertainment or path entertainment, depending on like what you're looking at. They're on Instagram. And the folks over there are actually how we got the license for D&D. So they're great. And we do meetings with them and Hasbro. And so like a lot of what I do as well is like right now I have to send Hasbro the plan for we're going to have a panel at L.A. Comic-Con and like I have to spoiler and I have to I don't even know if I was allowed to say that.

[35:43] Shelby Reilly: How much do you have to get approved? Speaking of speaking of this, how much we can do? Oh, that's crazy. OK. Great question. Three weeks minimum is the approval time. And that's and that's like. That depends on the department I'm asking. So like merch, why don't we have more merch? Why don't we have this thing, that thing, the other? A, I have my wish list that I'm constantly pushing. And like there are things that we absolutely want to make. But also like A, it's room on the trucks and what we can fit to tour with us. But also B, like I mean, we were talking to Hasbro about a custom item the other day about like something that we really want to make and like it'll take six months to a year.

[36:28] Shelby Reilly: Sure. And that makes sense to me. Like I think about I think about like the timeline of like like kickstarting of like Indie zine, right? Like that takes it takes you got eight, nine months to to get this. Pieces of paper that have been stapled together most of the time. I mean, shout out. I love Kickstarter and I love Bagger Kit. I love Indie zines. I'm big on zines and it's so cool. But like if you think about how much time it takes to get 250 people a booklet that you're custom making, think about now running that up like a corporate. It's huge. Like the amount of moving parts you get into that. Like I mean, like our photos. Don't you guys have custom dice? Like it takes forever.

[37:10] Shelby Reilly: Oh, oh, literally. And like we have some like we have some new stuff that's coming to the tour. That's exciting. But like ultimately, like, yeah, I mean, everything takes about three weeks. So and that's like that's the time that we tell everybody. And like there are some things we can rush like our photo shoot. Everything looks great, by the way. Hell, yeah, for a minute. And now I'm walking around downtown Chicago. My face is everywhere, everywhere. Yeah, no, I mean, like everything, everything takes a while. So like the like, yeah. And like speaking of what I do as an AP, like the photo shoot, like I found the.

[37:49] Shelby Reilly: Photographer, I helped coordinate a lot of the creative and like fast. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was told like in Kentucky. It was like it's happening in DC, by the way, and I have a friend. My best friend's husband is actually a major photographer in the DC area. His name is Al Drago. He's a photojournalist. He's incredible. And he had nothing going on there for him to take pictures of right now. Dear God, his feet every day. Um, no, he's incredibly talented. And I called him and I was like, who do you recommend? Like I don't know anybody who can get it done who can get it done and make it look good. You can get it done and Andre Chung. What a recommendation, what a rushed it fucking hero killed it.

Everybody like that was I've been in a bunch of photo shoots in my time. Like it was great. It was so fun everybody up down all over the place like man also working with like a corporate I've done a bunch of commercial shoots, too. It's so like it's like you can hear a lot of the times the like money is set up in another room. Yes, and they're like where nobody can see him. I was shooting a commercial a year and a half ago and I could hear I was doing stuff and I could hear them laughing and I was like sweet great. Good great killing it. But a lot of the time it's like somebody comes just like a liaison that comes in is like hey we want this and in this one. We just had we just had everybody just right there in the in the yeah, literally and it was so chill like usually that's something that it's like we've got to protect each other from all of this and like it's such a cool thing at TST that it's become that there is and to the detriment sometimes but so fluid the creative process is all over the place.

Sure, just from like, okay, what do you actually want to do? Yeah, to like hey guys everybody. We're rewriting the top of whatever. What does everyone think we should do helps that there's nine people in the cast and everybody's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, I mean like it's it's really nice the processes the processes that we have set up and I mean like Michaels wonderful at his job. Yeah, like I mean I steal I mean the amount of social media posts that I go I go into the Google Drive I open up the onboarding doc and I just like copy and paste a line and I'm like, all right that's my social caption. I do it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, I mean I've noticed it works really well.

It's something. Well, it's copy. It's copy that we've written that like I don't want to come. I also love that. Those are that like I I mean grand show theory. Sure. Those are the things they're the choruses. I'm gonna keep talking about us like we're the jam band because we are it's like we're playing that we're playing the same songs over and over again totally different, you know solos and like those are the words we want everybody to sing along with I have a dream of everybody like singing along essentially to the like everybody going the curious hedgehog when we like say like we're the damn picture show. Yeah. Yeah. No, of course like that's that's our those are the words those are the sacred texts.

Yeah, I mean God I've been thinking like this whole time I've while we've been talking I've been like what how do I boiled out everything that I do. Um, it's just so crazy. I mean like I do I do a little bit of everything here. I mean, I'm running the socials. Yeah, I'm on the discord if the general public sends an email I get it. Sure. And the discord management is just us. Yeah, like yeah. Well, I mean I always talk about like the the great and mystical day and like how many people love and like and in this it's just like this happens all over every industry which is like well they say that we can't do this and it's like you're talking to me. You're literally telling me or like some there was one day where yes there was one day where somebody was like they're really like doing this like weird thing on the website or whatever and I was like in the middle of fixing like yeah there was a bunch of shit going on and like the website still worked in progress and somebody was like what are they doing?

And I'm like it's me. I'm day. There was a lot of that with the pronouns, I mean and I'm not bitching I love you all but like it was people were going like something weird is happening. I wish that they would fix it. I want my friend. I was like guys. I'm I'm backstage literally. I'm fixing it. Well, and like people think I mean rolls coming and it's so fair that like yeah the tour rolls coming. I mean it's so fair to assume that something of this scale has a billion people, but really less it does seem huge it seems huge, but literally like there's like our management meetings, I think have like eight people maybe and that includes like Duncan's assistant. Yeah, like then it's mainly like five of y'all right pretty much.

Yeah, I mean like David Heather you Michael Duncan Carly and then like Carly down Carly and then like Lauren which is sure sure. Yeah, it's just there so she knows what's up. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm handling like I handle all the star casting um and a couple fun things that we're planning for LA and like a bunch of schemes like basically I'm just scheming like literally literally I just have sorry. It's a audio medium. Everybody needs to know that she'll be just like leaned in elbows on the counter was like like I just have I just have schemes I like I keep an eye on what I think you guys like and I try to find a way to make it happen or like yeah and like if there's something that it's like oh like I mean even with like social it's like there's stuff that I've been doing that I'm like I think they'll like this and it's like me like just sitting here concocting different ideas, but the social the current social media environment is I I think perfect my perfect chef chef Boyardee video I yeah, what the the have you seen the rolling decider?

Yes. It's so good. Yes, I'm like that was when you were like guys. I have a vision. No, they were like guys. I have a vision and we went and I assumed people went did it I wasn't here literally it was like Ian Cassidy went filmed it and then I had it up like two days later and I only waited because I had the Princess Diaries video that I wanted sure when we get to do that, I mean like we're we're all here. It's the wonderful thing about tour that I'm excited about too is I think we're gonna like we care. We're just gonna keep making stuff we can't turn it off. Yeah, we did our stupid video in my room of like shotgunning magic card totally that like it's great. You can't beat it. But I love I love that it's just there's no I love that our social media has gotten weird because it's just you scheming and having it's just it's literally just me like unhinged.

Well, I think we do have some questions. All right, because I don't know why I asked for questions and then like of course you can see them. Yeah, I don't know if you have any of these favorites that you would like to thank us always to our discord for coming out and like being in like asking questions and the enthusiasm is so wonderful. Shoutouts if you want to hang out with us join the discord like I mean, what's your favorite thing that you've learned from working on TST? It's a pretty good one to start from Elizabeth. Sure. What's my favorite thing that I've learned from working on Tuesday? I think how fluid and how fast a lot of things happen and also how slow others are in the business of theater.

So like as far as like how fast and fluid things can happen we have a tour stop that we're literally gonna tell you all about in like an hour sweet that is like happening this fall and that got put together like two weeks ago. Sure, but also some of our tour stops were signed on to in like July of 2024, right? So like we have engagements that we're doing that are like super far like they were they've been you know planned since forever and then we have stuff like like this next one you'll say it I love it every single time that you and I do something like this at some point I'm just like so I have a spoiler for you, by the way, I'll tell you later. There's like at one point where we're doing something and I was like and we're doing this Murray you'll get your contract like it's fine.

It was literally that we were in a room when you were like, I need this. We're gonna pay you. So yeah, I think the favorite thing I've learned is like I I think that before I started doing all of this like I I like that you're like trying to guess it right now too. No, no, no I'm remembering it was a remembering the call that we were on know that where you were you said something it's coming. Yes. Okay. We were like on a call with like a like a podcast or something. Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember I don't remember it was something but it was something that does not work for this company because I remember being like you're getting a contract. It's fine. It's okay move on but yeah, I mean like I think that like there's a lot of processes in theater that are tried and true that are like the way things have always been done and I think that like one of my favorite thing about 20-sided is like the best answer is like this show is not conventional.

So what's the not like not conventional solution? And so there's a lot of creative problem-solving that happens for this we're like, I mean even down to like what I'm doing associate producers never tour. No, this this does not happen um, and I'm on the road for minimum six months, but we'll see in like a month if I'm actually like I have a feeling I'm gonna end up on the door much longer than then we think but we'll see. But yeah, I mean we just do stuff that just has been done before which can be like which is so freeing and so fun and it's really good for me personally with the way that I work I have like intense ADHD and being able to build new processes I get to build new processes and like I have so much agency and like David really supports like and the thing is is like David Carpenter really supports me and like my opinions on things and like what I want to do like if I call him and I'm like, hey, like I had this idea how can we figure out?

How can we figure it out? Like he's like like, yeah, let's do it see if you can pull it off figure it out. Yeah, I mean like he didn't know about the International Women's Day show that we did sure he just was too busy with other things that I had told him about it. But like we just had so much going on. Oh, that hurts it's gonna come rocketing out in a minute. Yeah bad. No, you're fine. I was gonna say Tara Hoot was also Tara Hoot. Yeah, yeah, I mean like Tara Hoot. I got permission from David I got it approved by Hasbro and I brought Tara Hoot in like and that's something that I had worked on for a while and it was it's something that I'm like, so so proud of I mean it was huge. I mean, I'm so proud of it.

I mean, I'm so proud of it. I mean, I'm so proud of it. I mean, I'm so proud of it. It's something that I'm like, so so proud of I mean it was huge and yeah, they like International Women's Day show is something that like I really helped push to throw together and yeah, I mean, I just love that the amount of agency I have it's been really nice. Awesome. There's a whole lot of here that like I think sure answered right? Like what's been your favorite thing that you've learned a lot literally just answer that but like, yeah, you know challenging aspects and you know, what the most rewarding thing about working on the show and like TSD origin story. We definitely got yeah, but let's see. I do you have a favorite PC or one you most relate to Mel?

Thank you. And I love we were saying this at the very beginning that it's very funny that like people who work on things are often not fans of the things I love the thing but we're working on it but we're working on it. Yeah, I'm not I so I don't know if it's a thing that you've thought about. Oh, no, I have a favorite. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah, this is my girl. Of course because the wind is yeah, the wind has secrets. Come on when we introduced best I was like, oh finally, let's go. Let's go. I fucking love I mean great. I can't wait. They got to give me a bigger dress so I that was the only one and they they were like we're gonna get you a dress murray and uh, and then they're like incredible note then they're like hey murray.

You're never gonna be able to play persico. We're so sorry. We just can't make another coat that fits your dumb ass. So me and I guess if he never played persico. Well, um, yeah, no zvezda is a fave. Um, I'd say let me let me let me give it a think and see if I have a runner-up. Um, I mean, yeah for to play definitely. Well, there's your druid again, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

[50:26] Shelby Reilly: To play, I mean, like, sure, Zvezda would be the easiest, like, the easiest to jump into.

[50:31] Alan Wellman: Yeah, totally. It's very funny, too, because, like, this is where we get to go, like, oh, no, she was a theater kid growing up and performed. And, like, whenever I first went to college, I performed for, like, a few years. And then I just realized that I had too many opinions, and I wanted to be in charge. That's, like, literally, like...

[50:48] Shelby Reilly: So you either start... do you ever direct?

[50:51] Alan Wellman: I have directed in the past. I prefer producorial positions because I like having input on the thing as a whole. And, like, the thing is an IP. And so, like, yeah, yeah, that's, like, kind of why I lean more towards that. I mean, like, I was a video designer for years. I don't know if I even mentioned that earlier. Like, I was the assistant video designer on an immersive show called Pips Island. It's open for a few months.

[51:17] Shelby Reilly: Oh, yeah.

[51:18] Alan Wellman: Yeah, we walked by it every day in New York. Do you know what it's like? Okay, I'm holding this away from me because I have to yell.

[51:25] Shelby Reilly: I just had forgotten about Pips Island.

[51:27] Alan Wellman: Do you know what it's like to walk by the grave of your old job every day?

[51:31] Shelby Reilly: Yeah, that's wild, man.

[51:32] Alan Wellman: It's so weird.

[51:33] Shelby Reilly: Wait, where was it?

[51:34] Alan Wellman: On the corner of Stage 42.

[51:37] Shelby Reilly: Oh, wow.

[51:37] Alan Wellman: Like, when you were on that corner, it's, like, the one that is, like, before you end, like, the first block.

[51:42] Shelby Reilly: Oh, yeah.

[51:43] Alan Wellman: It's the glass building, the all-glass building.

[51:45] Shelby Reilly: Oh, wow, that's just... it's nothing.

[51:45] Alan Wellman: And it's got the art. It's got the fucking art up still. It closed in, like, 2019, 2020.

[51:50] Shelby Reilly: Yeah, I forgot about that. I think I fucking sent stuff in for Pips Island.

[51:56] Alan Wellman: You definitely did. You totally did. Everybody who did, like, immersive and improv shit.

[52:00] Shelby Reilly: Well, I was doing a bunch of kids stuff at that point, too. So, like, that was great. I mean, like, Pips was a wild experience. It was my first, like, big design role. I, like, graduated college and my professor. So, I was my, like, college's, like, first video designer ever. It was, like, what I focused on is I really wanted to, like, really pursue production design. And it's still something I enjoy.

[52:24] Alan Wellman: I mean, again, super well-equipped to be doing exactly what you're doing right now.

[52:28] Shelby Reilly: Yeah, literally.

[52:28] Alan Wellman: I know what's going on. I have...

[52:30] Shelby Reilly: Well, that's the thing is, like, I have so much input whenever, like... Like, it's a great thing with my, like, skill set because when I'm in these calls and people are talking about, like, oh, how long does, like, this type of work call take, and there's not a production member present that is, like, in... Like, if Duncan, our production manager, isn't in the call, like, I can at least give a guess. And I'm pretty close. Or, like, I can call Duncan and be like, hey, like, the crew does need this thing, right? And he's like, yeah, totally. And I'm like, cool. So, like, it gives me a lot of really great insight that just makes me better in my job. But...

[53:10] Alan Wellman: We're there.

[53:11] Shelby Reilly: Yeah.

[53:11] Alan Wellman: I think here's a good one. Here's a good one. This is written by, I think, Cassidy. Who's your favorite cast member and why is it Cassidy?

[53:19] Shelby Reilly: So, Cassidy is my favorite cast member because my inbox is full immediately. Not even all of you fucking listen to this shit. It's gonna be like, did you hear that Shelby said that Cassidy's her favorite on Alan Wellman? What the fuck? I'll fight everybody.

[53:32] Alan Wellman: I'll fight everybody.

[53:34] Shelby Reilly: You get calls from Sax.

[53:37] Alan Wellman: Sax's like, can you please not do that? I represent all of them.

[53:41] Shelby Reilly: Oh, yeah. That's many of our managers. I feel like I go to all of you for such different things, though. Like, I have such different relationships with every single one of you and, like...

[53:49] Alan Wellman: Yeah, but there's your people managing skills, too. You know what I'm talking about? Like, that's... I mean, one, friendship and stuff.

[53:54] Shelby Reilly: Sure.

[53:54] Alan Wellman: Like, two, yeah, I think you're really good at it.

[53:58] Shelby Reilly: Thank you.

[53:58] Alan Wellman: Everybody gets pinged when it's... when they have a thing to do.

[54:02] Shelby Reilly: Totally. I mean, like, also, like, yeah, I have good... I think I have great dynamics with everybody and it's all... they all serve their different purposes. And that's even just, like, as far as, like, what we can talk... Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, he threw his phone.

[54:17] Alan Wellman: I'm so bad.

[54:18] Shelby Reilly: Violence. Stop the violence.

[54:19] Alan Wellman: I'm not your favorite.

[54:21] Shelby Reilly: We're fighting. I will say, I have known Jasmine the longest.

[54:27] Alan Wellman: Oh, that's right.

[54:27] Shelby Reilly: Because I worked with Jasmine years before this. But then I also met Maddie, like, I'd say... I mean, like, a while after I met Jasmine. But then I cast Maddie in a show I was working on.

[54:37] Alan Wellman: That's right.

[54:40] Shelby Reilly: And then Maddie, like, moved back to Chicago. So, like, I just, like, did not see her again. And then, like, literally, like, when I got the cast list... because I didn't have the cast list when I got hired.

[54:49] Alan Wellman: Oh, you were just like, no way.

[54:51] Shelby Reilly: I literally... no, I received the cast list because I... like, it wasn't really, like, necessarily that important for my job. And then they sent me a face sheet. I was like, Madeline Murphy works here? I was fucking thrilled. I think I sent her an email privately and I was like, I'm sorry if this is, like, not professional, but, like, hey, what's up? Like, I was so thrilled. I was like, I told you we'd work together again.

[55:09] Alan Wellman: I love that. I'm waiting for, like, I got a couple, like, old buddies, like, touring around, right? That I, like, I just, God, you can't beat it. I mean, I mean, Jasmine and I did not know each other, but Jasmine and my wife had hung out a bunch.

[55:23] Shelby Reilly: Of course.

[55:24] Alan Wellman: Fourteen years ago before I moved to New York because theater and weird and people.

[55:29] Shelby Reilly: No, like, it's wild. But yeah, no, I like everyone in their different ways.

[55:33] Alan Wellman: Hell yeah.

[55:34] Shelby Reilly: My very politically correct answer.

[55:35] Alan Wellman: Hell yeah. That's good. Well, there you go. There you go, Cassidy. Oh, man. We'll give you... Just send Cassidy a soundbite of me being like, Cassidy's my favorite because...

[55:45] Shelby Reilly: There you go. And we're all good. Yeah, man. I mean, I think we've covered most everything else that everybody was asking, which is great. That means we had a good chat that was reasonable. But yeah, there's one that's like, if you were to be on stage, which track would you most want to try? Because she turns out as a theater girl and performed for many years.

[56:04] Alan Wellman: So this is where actually I get to tell everybody about RJ's fan casting for what he thinks management would do.

[56:14] Shelby Reilly: Oh, yes.

[56:15] Alan Wellman: Because this is actually more exciting to me than me telling you what I would want to do. We play this game all the time backstage, you guys. It's always like, all right, let's put the cast in, whatever. Let's cast.

[56:26] Shelby Reilly: Oh, yeah.

[56:27] Alan Wellman: Yeah.

[56:28] Shelby Reilly: So RJ has said that he thinks that Carly, our company manager, would be Magic. Maya, our stage manager, would be Might.

[56:39] Alan Wellman: All day.

[56:40] Shelby Reilly: And then I would be Mischief.

[56:41] Alan Wellman: Yeah. No, absolutely. I get behind that.

[56:44] Shelby Reilly: Yeah. I feel like because of Zvezda, I'm like, oh, Magic is so fun. But Mischief would be a great time.

[56:50] Alan Wellman: Yeah. Mischief's, I mean, it's the cheat code. You get the rule of threes all the time. And you're the chaos demon. And yeah, no, it's fun.

[57:00] Shelby Reilly: Totally. But yeah. I mean, I don't have truly... I was about to be like, I have no interest in being in this show.

[57:07] Alan Wellman: I was going to say we were talking about the unlockable NPC earlier. I was like, I should make people add you to the spreadsheet, the bingo card, just if they were on closing night and they saw you get on.

[57:21] Shelby Reilly: Well, actually, if they saw me on closing night, but also when I'm... So I do assistant stage manager the show.

[57:27] Alan Wellman: That's right.

[57:28] Shelby Reilly: And so I run the deck. And so I know for a fact there's going to be a day where the chaos chart... There'll be a chaos chart where you have to... And it'll be, let's give it up for stage management. It'll be like, Shelby, get out here. When that happens, I'm going to start... I'm going to add all the ASMs now to the, okay, you heard it here, update your bingo cards. You got to put all the assistant stage managers on because they have... So if you never saw Sam Lynch come out and wave, then your bingo card's never getting full.

[57:53] Alan Wellman: No, literally. I've been like dying.

[57:56] Shelby Reilly: You'll never fill it. We keep adding shit all the time.

[58:00] Alan Wellman: We're like, no, no, no. Everyone's everything.

[58:05] Shelby Reilly: I will say though, I've already... I have like 17 characters that you can come see me play now. Emailed somebody about you recently. And I was like explaining, like, I was like doing like little blurbs about everybody in the cast of like, see like, because there's going to be somebody who interviews a bunch of people soon. And I was like explaining people. And yours, I was like, he fucking knows everything in the show. Like he knows all the roles. Because I was like, this person DMs and this person does this and this person does this. And then I was like, and then there's Marie.

[58:29] Alan Wellman: I'm still the only one. There's a whole bunch of people who do four now.

[58:33] Shelby Reilly: Yeah.

[58:34] Alan Wellman: There's a whole bunch of people who have a whole bunch of characters and then one or two of the bar rolls, but it's still, I'm still holding strong.

[58:40] Shelby Reilly: Oh, for sure. I'm trying to see, I think somebody DMed me. But again, that has more to do with us needing time to get base layers approved.

[58:48] Alan Wellman: Oh my God.

[58:49] Shelby Reilly: Than with anyone's ability to do anything. Also, we've been talking for about an hour, man. Unless there's anything on there that you really want to answer.

[58:58] Alan Wellman: I'm...

[58:58] Shelby Reilly: I think this is a great, a great place to wrap it up.

[59:02] Alan Wellman: Yeah. I'm just doing a last glance.

[59:05] Shelby Reilly: I just love to yap too. I'm like, wait, this is kind of fun.

[59:07] Alan Wellman: We'll come back and hang out more, dude.

[59:09] Shelby Reilly: I know. I mean, I always am so peripheral to a lot of stuff that I'm like, oh my God. Hi.

[59:14] Alan Wellman: Yeah. But why not? Like, again, we're talking about like, none of this is like, it's all, everybody's creative and cool and fun. And like, we're all, everybody's sort of contributing to everything. It's like, why not? Like when we do some actual play shit, come do some actual play.

[59:25] Shelby Reilly: Sure.

[59:26] Alan Wellman: It's a good time.

[59:27] Shelby Reilly: Um, yeah. Yeah. I think we've answered pretty much, pretty much all the major talking points. I'm trying to think if there's anything else that like, I should say that I do here. I mean, when in doubt, like I'm, I'm probably involved.

[59:40] Alan Wellman: Sure.

[59:42] Shelby Reilly: I've probably had input on something like.

[59:45] Alan Wellman: Yeah. I think this is a good place to wrap up.

[59:47] Shelby Reilly: Hell yeah. Well, thank you so much for sitting down.

[59:49] Alan Wellman: Thanks for chatting. Uh, Shelby Riley on socials.

[59:54] Shelby Reilly: Shelby Riley, seven 11. My birthday is on seven 11. I have both a convenience store. I'm a slushy baby and Beyonce wrote me personally a song.

[1:00:03] Alan Wellman: Yay. Wow. That's man. What more claim to fame do you need? Uh, here's your ultimate, uh, TST, uh, test. Uh, thanks everybody for listening. Thanks for hanging out. We're in Chicago for like another five weeks, I think.

[1:00:16] Shelby Reilly: Yeah. We're here, baby. Our friends are coming. We start with a Bria tonight. Uh, who is walking in like the absolute animal. She is just walking back in, throwing on her stuff and going crazy.

[1:00:30] Alan Wellman: Um, so good. Uh, yeah, but we're here. We're partying. We got, we're going to chat now off Mike and we're going to scheme together. We got all sorts of dumb crap coming, uh, for, for all of you who can't make it to Chicago and, uh, thanks for, for hanging out and for listening and for watching. And until next time,

[1:00:47] Shelby Reilly: and well met past it, nailed it, crushed it. Okay. Just a postscript real quick.

[1:01:07] Shelby Reilly: Hi. So this is because I have diagnosed ADHD, but I didn't finish this, this, uh, comment earlier. So, uh, if you do want us to come to a specific city so I can stop shitting on Florida, I'm sorry. Um, so if you do want us to come somewhere, somewhere specific, we haven't announced it. It sounds so cool. And you'd love us to come. We would like to be there too. So this is, this is how we have to do this. You need to reach out to your local performing arts center. You need to say like, Hey, I've heard of this show. It's called the 20 side of Tavern. It sounds really fun. You don't even need to put us in contact with anybody. You're not, you don't need to do any of that. Some people will be like, whose email do I send?

You don't send, you don't have to just tell them that you're expressing an interest that you would bring 20 of your closest friends or whatever. Like it's so much easier for us to get asked to go somewhere when they already have a sense of local interest. And so like there's certain cities that I would love for us to go to like the Pacific Northwest bother everyone bother. I want to go there so bad, but like bother every single, like bother them, like tell them that you want us to come there. Because the thing is, is it's not that we don't want to be somewhere. I'm pointing at myself literally, I'm like really gesturing right now, but it's not that we don't want to be somewhere. It's quite literally that like, either we haven't been asked, it's in process, or like there's a place that we would love to go to and they haven't found room for us yet.

So always express interest. It's the easiest way for us to get like really locked into a place because the more that they see a bunch of people being like, this sounds really fun, the more likely that they're going to ask us to come. Thank you. Okay, bye.