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[0:31] R. Alex Murray: Also wait, can we come up with like a fun little, welcome to the Twenty Sided Tavern Podcast, diddly dee, boop! That's a song. There it is, we got it. I think you've got it. Now, do you want to just take us in Maddy? Do you want to welcome us to, why don't you host this episode? Who cares? There aren't any fucking rules. No, I just wanted to do an intro which is, welcome to the Twenty Sided Tavern, Twenty Sided Podcast, diddly dee dee dee, boop! Now I don't want to work anymore. No, that's, I mean, you shouldn't. Why would you? I think you just fucking chill it out and hang out. I'm going to do two things for the sound. Kids, it is going to get warm in here. That's how it goes. Okay, Diego and I sweat through our costumes.

We all sweat through our costumes every night. Yeah, I'm not, you've seen me at my sweatiest, I'm not afraid. I like that when Gabby realized that I would absolutely need doubles of all my clothing, including pants. Was it before or after you started rolling around in the beer? It was definitely before because of all the sweat. I wore out the knees of my pants, which sounds filthy, but it's all the rolling around on the floor. Yeah, the beer rolling is impressive too. The like, your first night. Thank you! The first time that you were just like, yeah, let me fucking spike this beer on the ground and then like tackle it and spray it everywhere. You know what, I'm going to give the beer mopping actually to Diego.

My only idea was to drop the beer on the ground, open it and see what happens. And then Diego really brilliantly came up with the idea of I'm going to push her through the filth. Yes. I only have a certain amount of time between when I have to clean up the beer puddle and go off stage to get the decider. So I was like, I'm going to kill two birds with one stone here. I mean, honestly, it's necessarily part of the process now to make that stage safe. So it's what we do. So helpful. I mean, especially, I mean, I tend to just dump the beer on the ground, right? Like, yeah, I just pour it out. So yeah. Yeah. Nothing. You can't. Then I run away. No. Yeah. Functionally, I just like skunk it. Yeah.

I spray it everywhere and then you roll me through half of it and then I go get some. The worst is going into the audience and I always have to, besides asking for allergies, I have to be like, I am so sorry. Yes, this is all PBR. It's me. Perfume BR. Yeah. Oh man. All right. Well, now we're just into a podcast. Hello. Hi everybody. Hey listeners. It's me again. I'm Alex and Maddie and Diego are here this week. Hello. Howdy everyone. What's up y'all. What do you do at the 27 Tavern? Step up and introduce yourself.

[3:12] Diego F. Salinas: Hey everyone. My name's Diego F. Salinas and I play the warrior currently at the 27 Tavern off Broadway.

[3:18] R. Alex Murray: Yeah. We haven't gotten the Australia cast over here yet.

[3:25] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah. Eventually they're going to come. We're going to eventually have to start differentiating.

[3:28] Madeline Murphy: Yeah. Hello everybody. I am Madeline Murphy also in the New York City cast and I am currently your trickster.

[3:36] Diego F. Salinas: One then formerly of you formerly of Chicago and Pittsburgh and no of Chicago and Edinburgh.

[3:41] Madeline Murphy: Edinburgh. And then formerly of trickster of formerly of New York as well. The former off Broadway trickster.

[3:47] Diego F. Salinas: Current. I would. Oh, I would love it if there was a stint where it's like we don't talk about the three weeks Diego was gone. Darkness.

[4:02] R. Alex Murray: But actually Diego is going to be gone for three weeks in October because he's getting married. We are recording this the day before the day that we're going to take him out for his 20 sided bachelor party. So this might be the last anyone hears from you ever.

[4:20] Diego F. Salinas: Honestly, if this is the last little bit of recording of my voice that exists, I really want to make it a good one and I'm glad it's with y'all.

[4:24] R. Alex Murray: Okay. I like the idea that you survive tonight. Totally fine. But your voice doesn't and it's irreparably changed when you come back and for some reason you only sound like Lorraine Bracco.

[4:33] Diego F. Salinas: Oh God. I just I'd love to come in with a like a Harvey Fierstein type of.

[4:40] Madeline Murphy: Yes, absolutely. Hello. Hello. Just Amanda Yad, the third. Yeah. I'm a bro. I love keg stands. They're the best.

[4:54] R. Alex Murray: I'm sure y'all got into some wild parties when you were in Edinburgh, when you were in Chicago and I wasn't in the early party days of 20 side of town.

[5:00] Diego F. Salinas: I mean, it was Pittsburgh was hard. Pittsburgh was hard because they do not stay up late.

[5:06] Madeline Murphy: Really? It's where it goes to.

[5:11] Diego F. Salinas: But no, that whole city is like Pittsburgh is sneakily a Midwestern city. So at like 10:30 11, they're like, we're tired. We have to get up and make more steel tomorrow. So we've got to go to bed.

[5:23] Madeline Murphy: They operate on a steel time.

[5:28] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, you know, you know, the steel schedule.

[5:30] R. Alex Murray: Yeah, everybody from Pittsburgh Eastern Steel time.

[5:35] Madeline Murphy: Yes. Yeah, I wasn't there. Edinburgh was a trip because it was so cool. The Fringe Festival is basically like adult summer camp because for 30 days, you're just a the whole city is transformed for the festival. And there's all these little islands that they build into the city that are bars and seating spaces. It's really cool.

[5:49] Diego F. Salinas: But we also worked every day, but one day, so a lot of it was just really social.

[5:55] Madeline Murphy: But the going hard thing didn't exist. Because you, you know, would do the show, talk to some people, see other shows, maybe grab a drink, and then you're exhausted.

[6:06] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, home.

[6:06] Madeline Murphy: Yeah. Our final night in Edinburgh, we did go very hard that culminated in me pouring everybody into an Uber to travel functionally five blocks back home.

[6:20] Diego F. Salinas: See, just you have to be able to do that.

[6:24] Madeline Murphy: Yeah, honestly, that's it. Yeah, we're gonna party harder here because the city famously does not sleep. Chicago was pretty rowdy.

[6:30] R. Alex Murray: Y'all were there also in like the winter, we were there in the every time I was like, yeah, we're going to Chicago be like, cool when and I was like, me personally, I'm going to be there from November 8 to January 17. And they were like, why God? No. I was like, they're like, that's the time of the year when the air hurts your skin for no reason. Like, why are you doing that?

[6:51] Diego F. Salinas: That's my air Chicago, baby. Good deadly lake effect air.

[6:54] Madeline Murphy: But we were like our digs were swanky. And it was like a dorm. Like we're all in the same condo downtown. We had nothing to do. And like, there was a hot tub in there. Whole lot of whole lot of beers in a hot tub.

[7:12] Diego F. Salinas: The Murray and I, Murray and I would go into the hot tub, Billy, you want to go to the hot tub for like a 15 minute soak, it would turn into three hours of drinking beers. And finally, we'd be like, why do I feel like I've never drank in water ever in my life? Here's 70% beer.

[7:32] Madeline Murphy: Yeah, it's nothing six weeks of being desiccated husk, basically.

[7:38] Diego F. Salinas: But Chicago, Chicago is really fun and nice. Again, it was just like, I feel like as much as we're like, it's rowdy. A lot of it is us just continuing to be nerds.

[7:48] R. Alex Murray: Ask forever. They're like, what do you guys do when you're not on stage? And we'd be like, we play Dungeons and Dragons. We make dinner and play more games with each other.

[7:58] Madeline Murphy: I mean, that's like what's going on right now, right this second as we record this, Connor and TJ and Will and Sarah are all in the lobby of the Signature Center playing Magic the Gathering because it was where they could find to do it.

[8:11] Diego F. Salinas: Like, that's just what's going on.

[8:17] Madeline Murphy: Look at that, man. I mean, that's what happens. I think that's a nice thing about this show is it brings together so many like nerdy people of like, different like, spectrums of like the of nerdom. Like we have like Matt people who are really into magic. We have the folks who are very familiar with like other like RPGs that aren't like D&D, which I'm always excited to learn about because I've been like, so bro, I've got a copy of Blades in the Dark on that shelf over there. Again, one I've heard of like all the time never once played so fun and evil and you die over and over again. Awesome.

[8:49] R. Alex Murray: Oh, so my question is for y'all. What outside of D&D RPGs do you think you are specifically a nerd about?

[8:56] Diego F. Salinas: Oh, that's not bad. I'm a great conversationalist. It's a great question. I love like aliens and cryptids and like the weird like unexplained side of the world. Like the way to win my heart is like throw a log in the fire and like tell me a ghost story, dude. Like tell me about the weird things that like you've experienced.

[9:18] Madeline Murphy: Yeah, I find that stuff so fascinating.

[9:23] Diego F. Salinas: It's the one for me that's right next to it. And I know that we listened to one of a similar podcast we both love is cults for me.

[9:30] Madeline Murphy: Yeah.

[9:36] Diego F. Salinas: Cults fucking really just like cannot get enough of like, somebody started off trying to help their community and then ended up fighting the government on fire. Well, let's see how you get got from point A to point B. I want to I want to know what happened. And the answer kids is always a bunch of amphetamines.

[9:52] Madeline Murphy: Oh, yeah. I also a cult documentaries. I love like any docu series about cults. I will watch them. I'm fascinated by charismatic leaders about the like the whole town that went in in Oregon.

[10:05] Diego F. Salinas: Oh, like whole town cult that went in in dig Oregon.

[10:14] Madeline Murphy: And they just like they just started their own city. And then the people that were there already were like, No, God, can you imagine like having like to deal with a cult moving in next door like random chanting in the middle of the night? All these people like dress the same just scares the crap out of people.

[10:30] Diego F. Salinas: It just scares the absolute mess out of I mean, like, it's honestly, I mean, to be fair, it's also why people are freaked out by Ren fairs, right? Like they don't know. They don't know the jargon.

[10:38] Madeline Murphy: And it's also ended up doing the same talk on last week's episode. It's also why people go to Ren fairs don't want to go to football games, because they like, I don't know the right things to have on. I don't have the right words to say.

[10:48] Diego F. Salinas: It's a fun thing to think about, like the, you know, the the socialized performance of these like different like absolutely because it has costumes that has jargon and has traditions. It has ceremony.

[11:05] Madeline Murphy: See, this is what I'm a nerd about is ritual is exactly see for me, and I love the formation of community. I love the idea of like, how did you get involved in how entrenched people can get?

[11:16] Diego F. Salinas: And then it's also like, as we are a part of a very amazing, lovely, nerd community. Now, it is the thing of like, cults fascinate me because it's where did where did it turn?

[11:27] Madeline Murphy: Right?

[11:27] Diego F. Salinas: Or did the charismatic leader take the reins in a way? Other than that, I'm a huge nerd about baking. Like, yeah, love to bake. I love the science of baking and cakes.

[11:38] Madeline Murphy: Good. Are you like, do you get into like, you watch cooking shows and stuff? Do you like read blogs?

[11:43] Diego F. Salinas: And like, like, my dad is a cooking nerd. And like, it was the safe bet was to get him cookbooks for dinner.

[11:50] Madeline Murphy: For dinner for Christmas every year.

[11:52] Diego F. Salinas: Always a safe bet with me.

[11:54] Madeline Murphy: Here, Dad, I made you this cookbook.

[11:55] Diego F. Salinas: I made you this cookbook. I have Julia Child's deep fried.

[12:00] Madeline Murphy: 100% always a safe bet with me. I grew up in a super cooking family. And on top of that, I functionally kind of studied cooking and food science in college.

[12:10] Diego F. Salinas: So I have a nutrition degree.

[12:11] Madeline Murphy: I do indeed. And I worked in a food lab for a while. So I just love the process. And I also love the intricacy of baking. Like my birthday every year, I'll make myself a three tier cake. I love the challenge of all of that. So a good bet with me is buy me cookbooks or buy me stupid ass cake pans.

[12:29] Diego F. Salinas: I mean, it's alchemy, right? Like, yeah, baking is because there is like still an element. It's chemistry, right?

[12:34] Madeline Murphy: Yeah. But there is also like an element of like, if you like, look at the flan wrong, it'll die.

[12:40] Diego F. Salinas: Like if you open you have less of my watch that I'm my baking is the Great British Bake Off, right? Like, that's what I watch. And I love it. And it's good. But also like that just the thing of like, the difference between, you know, a few degrees here and like a few seconds here and like knowing and like feeling the meringue.

[13:00] R. Alex Murray: You know, like, like, you know, it's a fun, fun fact. In like a lot of these old, like medieval, like, like, not cookbooks, per se, but like recipes and like, things that have like, like poultices and serums and like healing rituals that often say that as you're cooking this, like, say like three, like our fathers while you're doing that. And there's some people who think that that's more about timekeeping than it is about like, a specific divine intervention in the food. I mean, yeah, you've got nothing else to do besides go to church and bake bread. And you know that the saying our father like that is a specific time signature. Like when I do a plank sometimes, and I need to track a minute, I'll just pull a monologue out of my head. And I know that times out to about a minute.

[13:53] Diego F. Salinas: I think you just wanted to humble brag that you can do a plank for a minute. And you also know a minute long monologue.

[13:59] R. Alex Murray: God, what is a podcast? Three, one minute long.

[14:04] Madelyn Murphy: You know, that's like, I always like some people, I think that something I also really like in within our cast alone is everybody like, has a certain sense of they bring in their own kind of spiritual practices. And I'm not even getting into like religiosity, but everybody has their some people are into crystals. Some people are into Zodiac.

[14:24] R. Alex Murray: We're in my home studio listeners, and we're surrounded by crystals and organ energy.

[14:29] Diego F. Salinas: And yeah, yeah. But I love it too, because it's that thing where I, it always bothers me when people outright dismiss that stuff. Because it's for me, I was like, all of it is simply intention, right? And it's so fun to be like, this person has this crystal or this special ritual that they do, because behind it, the intention is I want to be focused, or I want to be present, or I want to be grateful, or I want to be healthy. And there's is just something so human about that my favorite magic ritual that everybody does pagan ritual, straight up candle witch ass pagan magic that everybody's been doing their whole lives is blowing out candles on a birthday cake.

[15:07] Madelyn Murphy: What? Tell me more about that.

[15:08] R. Alex Murray: So so they're, they are traditionally circular, because it is an offering of grains to Artemis, the god of the moon and destiny. And you light candles, the color of the candle, like, think about it. Do you have a color that you'd rather the candles on your birthday cake be?

[15:27] Diego F. Salinas: White?

[15:27] R. Alex Murray: Yeah, sure.

[15:29] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah.

[15:29] R. Alex Murray: I mean, we all have a favorite color, right? So whatever color that is.

[15:32] Madelyn Murphy: Red, blue.

[15:32] R. Alex Murray: Oh, white is not my favorite color, lavender, but I did think white or lavender.

[15:36] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, sure. I mean, white or lavender, either way, like, you're gonna want that. And like, you're gonna feel differently. If you look at your cake, and it's white icing with lavender candles, you're gonna be like, hell, yeah. And then you focus intention. And like, and then people sing a ritual song that we all know. And like, hold out like they're put all of their energy and focus into you. And then you take that energy, focus it on a single point of light, and then blow it out. And you can't fucking tell anybody what your wish is, right? Because that's bad luck, it'll ruin it, right? This is chaos magic. This is like left hand path Western magic rituals. This is like, you, you, you put a spell together, and then you focus all of your energy of the coven on it.

And then you like, extinguish the flame, send that ritual out into the universe, and it goes out to like, read the like, energy that you've sent out goes to work. And like, God, everybody does it. And nobody, nobody would be like, you know, every every Midwestern Presbyterian mom does this with their kids. Yeah, they, they put so much baking energy and fucking love from their like, time and stuff into it. And like, all that energy goes in there. And then, you know, that that's supposed to propel you through the next year, but nobody, nobody would write those people back tarot is evil.

[16:54] Madelyn Murphy: Well, even the process of making a cake, right? It is so involved. And it's such a luxury. It's the reason why cake is like a birthday celebratory thing. Because it used to be sugar. That's hard as hell. You gotta mill your flour. Nobody has fucking wasted every day. It is you've made two or three eggs, like not protein. It's a it's it's a massive use of food resources to create something unnecessary.

[17:16] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, but delicious.

[17:16] R. Alex Murray: Yeah, I love it made icing by hand. Oh, I have baby. Jesus Christ made Swiss meringue. Come talk to me with Swiss meringue. You gotta blast in those four arms.

[17:27] Madelyn Murphy: Oh, I'm great. Oh, these worms. I'm blasting them.

[17:31] R. Alex Murray: You know what it's when he said it's ever put cooking podcast, you know, it is actually to tie in your love of like, goblins and ghouls and ghosts and also tradition that people think is not like romantic, but it actually is not is I love that you know, the crossing of the threshold a bride and groom get married and you they scoop the bride into the house household, baby. Here's this is everywhere, you know, but you know what that that is what it is. It was believed that when a newly married couple steps into the threshold of their home for the first time, you have to do it with your right foot. If you do it with your left foot, you invite in ghosts and demons and it was believed that the woman would be so emotional and overwhelmed on her wedding day that she would fuck it up. So the groom took it upon himself to lift her and step into make sure it was to ensure the patriarchy but isn't it where it's essentially it's a ghost story.

[18:25] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah. And now we're like how romantic lift me inside. It's like I didn't know about the right foot thing. I would I would have just waltzed in willy nilly but I couldn't tell you which which foot I stepped in here first with so you've got a chance to not fuck.

[18:41] R. Alex Murray: Yeah. Oh, geez, Louise. A lot of I'm gonna be thinking about it now. Right. What's left? Honey, what's the matter? I'm just concentrating really hard right now, babe. I gotta get my right foot into our house first and you can't handle it. You can't handle it. You're too emotional. It's on our special day.

[19:00] Madelyn Murphy: Isn't that a little something with like getting up on like the right side of the bed like if you if your right foot is the first one that touches that is absolutely it's not the correct side of the bed.

[19:05] R. Alex Murray: No, it's got all the got off on the right side. And like, when you get real weird. So here's where I'm nerdy. Here's my nerd coming out my like, like Western nerd has already come out. We're in your crystal den. I mean, fair enough. But like, yeah, that's right hand path magic versus left hand path magic and like right hand path is like rules, incantations and like left hand is vibe is like much more it's the difference between a wizard and a sorcerer since we're on a Dungeons and Dragons podcast.

[19:33] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, I was gonna say I have loved former since formerly playing the mage it like before I thought I knew and I didn't but it was the idea of like the different paths of magic to like chaos magic.

[19:43] R. Alex Murray: Oh, yeah. Versus if you are a warlock and or do you find magic? Sure, I don't think not in the board now. There's one in the right wild magic sorceress.

[20:00] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, that was all vibes emphasis on the wild baby. Very wild. Yeah, she's all vibes. That makes sense. Like, Ethel's not fucking carry around spell components. Nah, it's whatever comes comes into that empty chamber of a mind.

[20:11] R. Alex Murray: Maybe straight from the dome and out of the mouth straight from the dome out of the crown. God, I'll throw another question in that I think we've done before is like when when when D&D when D&D when start D&D you guys for me it was high school. I was like 1516 and a friend of mine his dad had like all the old like books and everything. We would all go down to his basement order pizza and play D&D classic the I was type it was a type of thing where I it took me some convincing to me for me to get into it because at the time it was still kind of like on like the margins to the last three years.

[21:04] Diego F. Salinas: Oh, yeah. And it was like I was like, okay, like, how does it work? And my the thing that convinced me was when my friend mentioned, okay, so, well, this happened the other session, we were walking through a forest got ambushed by a bunch of elves in the trees, and we were trying to shoot them out of the trees, but we couldn't because they were like, real high up, they had cover and everything. So we just burned the forest down. And I was like, there's not a single video game I can do that in.

[21:29] R. Alex Murray: Exactly. I want to get in on this now. That sounds insane. That's it. They're like, you just can't even Baldur's Gate three, even the big ones. It's just like, but that I don't want to say one of these four things to this asshole. I want to kick him in the nuts.

[21:39] Diego F. Salinas: Exactly. It's just that the openness of it all. We also were playing the first first campaign I did was a dark sun campaign, which is what that means. It's a the nerds might crucify me. I think it's like a 3.5 edition. Okay. But the idea is that you're playing on this planet. That's like so far ahead in the future that it's basically become this like desiccated, like desert world.

[22:04] R. Alex Murray: Cool. Because every time you use magic, it draws from like the the magic of the world. And how many spice and worms are we talking about here?

[22:15] Diego F. Salinas: Lots of worms, not not certain on the spice, but definitely it's a very like, dark and gritty campaign setting. And it's like the type of thing as like my dungeon master at time explained as like, if people see you do magic, like they will like stone you to death because you're wasting your wasting the life force of this planet.

[22:30] R. Alex Murray: We're about to get to the I'm excited for the our world to get to there with somebody goes out to water their flowers out front.

[22:39] Diego F. Salinas: Exactly. I'll kill you. That's the thing. I love like the the way kind of indirectly spoke about like, climate change. Yeah, like it's all happening. I'm ready for the water wars, baby. Yeah. Yeah. In our lifetime, we all know one person who will kill someone else for water. That's my hot take.

[22:59] R. Alex Murray: Wow. Wow. What a light chill lighthearted Dungeons and Dragons fan cast we're doing.

[23:05] Diego F. Salinas: I'm thinking through what Diego is going to be wearing during the water wars, which I assume are his short shorts and high socks. He's just gonna have like two boleros of water balloons.

[23:14] R. Alex Murray: And you jump straight to murder. And I'm like, what's he gonna wear? Some sort of like, oh, yeah, sassy little hat.

[23:18] Diego F. Salinas: One day, one day, I'll just forget to pay my water bill. And I'll just suddenly start going outside and like raiding like a 711 for its resources.

[23:27] R. Alex Murray: God, it's gonna it's gonna start tonight, isn't it? bachelor party, I'd switch flips. And all of a sudden we have water world.

[23:36] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, like tonight's the night that the inciting incident of the apocalypse. Yeah, era of our of our world.

[23:41] R. Alex Murray: I mean, yeah, yeah. I guess if Simon Pegg was writing a movie about us, then yes, yeah, we would be at your bachelor party. And then everything would pop off and we'd have to figure it out.

[24:01] Madelyn Murphy: Yeah. Um, but to bring it back. I know D&D came very late into my life. I didn't know anybody who played it as a kid or teenager growing up or anybody who talked about it.

[24:06] Diego F. Salinas: You're from Chicago.

[24:06] Madelyn Murphy: I am from good midwestern girl can't have the devil in our children. I also was just a big old lonely nerd. Honestly, here's what I realized only very shortly. For me, I always read fantasy books. But fantasy was my refuge. Because like I was very shy for a long time. I didn't have a lot of friends. And fantasy became I know a little saddy baddy. No, it was just fantasy was my refuge and fantasy was mine. So it was very big one. Did you have like a big world that you loved? Like, I don't know, my wife was a Tamar Pierce. But like, did you have a I mean, I was a Middle Earth boy. Harry Potter was my I mean, I was right in the era of Harry Potter was my introduction. I also loved the Red Wall series. Yeah, I loved it so much. I know in college, I was all about Game of Thrones, George RR Martin, I still to this day, like any please pop off to me with any series because I love a good series any any world building in general.

[25:00] R. Alex Murray: I've since, you know, I've read Dune, I really get all up in it. Pierce, Pierce, read all the Dunes? No, I stopped after two because they went, Oh, everything that I liked has changed. And I'm, I'm and this makes me sad. What he was doing. Yeah. What if what if the hero was in fact, a bad guy? Oh, it's great. It gets real weird. Weird. He turns into a worm, they go under and he becomes the like, it turns out that the House of Traities was like, yeah, yeah, destined by the Bene Gesserit after all to like, actually says like, go back in time. And he is the original. Yeah, it's absolutely buck wild. Yeah, once once it started to be he's like, I go into the desert. I go. Okay. But I started playing D&D mad credit to my very good friend, Peter Cory in Chicago.

He was the first person I'd ever met who openly was like, I saw Petey Pete's. He plays Dungeons and Dragons and DMS. And I was like, I don't know, 2526. And the way he designed a campaign. And so for me, it was the first time sharing infant a fantasy game socially with people. And I played like three times, didn't know what the fuck I was.

[26:00] Madelyn Murphy: This is Trash Witch! And my one goal, I was a powerful, disgraced elf, and all I wanted to do was successfully do a backflip once. Never! I kept rolling ones and land, and so they'd be like, you land on your head and you fall unconscious, and now everyone has to drag you. I only played— That's one of my favorite D&D tropes, is when somebody just is like, I'm gonna do this, and the dice are like, you are not. Also, he was like, he'd hit and be like, Maddy, you can cast the spell, you have a really high constitution, and I'd be like, backflip! And he's like, you gave yourself negative one acrobatics! And, um, so Trash Witch, I only played three times with them. A lot of our personal, uh, our actual personalities come out when we're making our—

[26:41] Diego F. Salinas: Oh, 100%!

[26:42] Madelyn Murphy: Especially those first couple D&D characters, when you don't know, like, you just like, you just absolutely, I mean, that's Chester Vandriott III is just fuckin', it's Alex's barbarian boy.

[26:52] Diego F. Salinas: Oh, Trash Witch was me. But I only played three times, and then I moved to New York, and, uh, functionally, I was like, oh, cool, that was a fun little time. Now I know D&D, and then 20-Sided Tavern came into my life.

[27:05] Diego F. Salinas: Weird. How long after you moved to New York?

[27:08] Madelyn Murphy: Four years.

[27:09] Diego F. Salinas: Wow, so you hadn't, like, really, like, picked up a die in that time?

[27:13] Madelyn Murphy: No. So I also kind of pretty much lied when I applied to the audition, where I was like, I play D&D, I totally know D&D, and then I got to our first meeting with these nerds, including Alex, who are just like, oh yeah, audition 5e, and when you blah blah blah. Will Champion is making me feel like a, that's like, I feel like a real nerd walked in. Like, Will's one of these guys with the encyclopedic knowledge, he is like a down, bad, like, DM, he's got the, like, tables memorized, and he knows what spells do off the top of his—

[27:47] Diego F. Salinas: Not my ass, man, I need the computer to tell me what to do.

[27:49] Madelyn Murphy: But then there's me, Trash Witch, who is truly, who knows what a D20 is, and still couldn't tell you, like, couldn't tell a D8 from a D12, even though they're numbered, and I remember walking into that meeting and going like, I see, I see what this is, and so my ass had to learn and study real quick.

[28:10] Diego F. Salinas: I mean, it's not that hard, we teach a room full of people how to play in 15 minutes every day.

[28:15] Madelyn Murphy: Oh no, it's wonderful, it actually is so accessible, but that was it, so yes, I admit it here, I totally— I think more people would play if the books weren't so damn big. I totally lied.

[28:22] Diego F. Salinas: I think that's what I like about DMing, is like, making it accessible for people, like, I play a lot with folks who haven't played in a while, or have just started playing for the first time, and just being able to be like, a lot of the times, making the character is the hardest part of DMing, especially if you're, like, coming in completely, like, blank slate, but like, yeah, just being able to facilitate that for folks, and yeah, like, coming into the 20-sided tavern community, like, perfect place for you to, like, absorb all that knowledge and be in, like, a place where, you know, a safe space where everyone's gonna, like, help you out.

[29:00] Madelyn Murphy: It's a friendly— I mean, I feel like we are fostering a friendly— the community in general, so I've been playing since I was nine, on and off, never, like, hugely all the time, and then, like, middle school, I couldn't find anybody to play with. Again, northwest Georgia, and, like, that's, like, the tail end for me, because I'm the old one, of the, like, legit satanic panic, right? Like, actually, like, I remember people being, like, that's the devil.

[29:25] Diego F. Salinas: I had a Sunday school teacher tell me Stephen King was possessed by the devil, and—

[29:30] Madelyn Murphy: No, that was cocaine.

[29:31] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, well, well.

[29:33] Madelyn Murphy: The devil comes in many forms, mainly a fine white powder.

[29:37] Diego F. Salinas: God also does work in mysterious ways, so maybe the Lord just wanted Cujo to exist, and needed to juice Steve up to get it done.

[29:43] Madelyn Murphy: Hot take, if drugs are the devil's business, why is it called angel dust?

[29:51] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah!

[29:53] Madelyn Murphy: We need to get some scientists on this.

[29:55] Diego F. Salinas: Let's discuss.

[29:56] Madelyn Murphy: I hope it's okay that we're gonna have an explicit tag on this, a podcast for—

[30:01] Diego F. Salinas: Oh, yeah, people love explicit tags.

[30:04] Madelyn Murphy: I mean, I remember when I was in, uh, in middle school, and, like, you know how you could see, like, the TV guide warnings on, like, the cable thing?

[30:10] Diego F. Salinas: Oh, yeah, ooh, M.A., ooh.

[30:11] Madelyn Murphy: When I see M.A., nudity, click.

[30:15] Diego F. Salinas: Make sure I have Nickelodeon on, on the, like, go back button on the, on the fucking TV remote.

[30:20] Madelyn Murphy: Well, it's also so funny—

[30:21] Diego F. Salinas: You were watching Point Break, just waiting for that one titty to come up.

[30:24] Madelyn Murphy: Yeah, dude.

[30:25] Diego F. Salinas: Oh, where's this titty? I'm gonna see a titty.

[30:27] Madelyn Murphy: Oh, there was a— yeah!

[30:29] Diego F. Salinas: Back to Spongebob.

[30:30] Madelyn Murphy: HBO Sopranos, which, like, has no male nudity, but it was one of the first times where I was like, ooh, I used to watch that show in high school, because I was like, maybe, maybe there will be male nudity.

[30:39] Diego F. Salinas: I also, I don't know, The Sopranos is an odd take to try to find—

[30:43] Madelyn Murphy: Sure.

[30:44] Diego F. Salinas: Wild Things, Wild Things, was that—

[30:46] Madelyn Murphy: I know, right?

[30:46] Diego F. Salinas: You guys remember Wild Things?

[30:47] Madelyn Murphy: Oh, man, Wild Things, you get—

[30:48] Diego F. Salinas: I know a bit about it.

[30:49] Madelyn Murphy: Neve Campbell and, Neve Campbell and Denise Richards have a hookup scene, and you do get full frontal Kevin Bacon.

[30:56] Diego F. Salinas: Wow!

[30:58] Madelyn Murphy: Full frontal, the whole thing.

[30:59] Diego F. Salinas: I feel like that's one thing that's—

[31:00] Madelyn Murphy: He just walks out of a shower and is just hanging bacon right there.

[31:04] Diego F. Salinas: You see all the bacon.

[31:05] Madelyn Murphy: It's great, the ham hocks are drying out, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[31:08] Diego F. Salinas: That's good, good for him.

[31:09] Madelyn Murphy: I like that, I feel like that's been a very intentional thing, like, on TV in the past, like, three or four years.

[31:15] Diego F. Salinas: I mean, Game of Thrones, for sure.

[31:17] Madelyn Murphy: Yeah, yeah, but it was, like, more, like, more male nudity.

[31:20] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, let's hang some bacon.

[31:21] Madelyn Murphy: And a lot of the time—

[31:22] Diego F. Salinas: Get the hogs out.

[31:23] Madelyn Murphy: I mean, y'all know the story about Willem Dafoe, he had to do a nude scene, they had to give him a prosthetic or, like, a stand-in or something, because the schlong was so big, it was distracting.

[31:30] Diego F. Salinas: Again, good for him.

[31:33] Madelyn Murphy: Yeah!

[31:34] Diego F. Salinas: I mean, it's like—

[31:36] Madelyn Murphy: I mean, Boogie Nights, he gets it out at the end of it, right?

[31:39] Diego F. Salinas: Have you all seen Boogie Nights?

[31:40] Madelyn Murphy: Oh, of course.

[31:41] Diego F. Salinas: Yes, Boogie Nights.

[31:42] Madelyn Murphy: The last shot is just, like, wonk.

[31:45] Diego F. Salinas: He kept that prosthetic.

[31:46] Madelyn Murphy: I heard it, and then it, like, rotted.

[31:49] Diego F. Salinas: Oh, no!

[31:50] Madelyn Murphy: What were you doing with it, Mark?

[31:51] Diego F. Salinas: Like, the prosthetic deteriorated.

[31:52] Madelyn Murphy: This itself feels like another cryptid story of, like, the rotted Boogie Nights prosthetic.

[31:58] Diego F. Salinas: Some say it's still fun, and when he looked at his car door handle, it was the rotted Boogie Nights prosthetic.

[32:06] Madelyn Murphy: Man door handhook car rotted prosthetic dick.

[32:08] Diego F. Salinas: It's called being Dirk Diggled.

[32:14] Madelyn Murphy: Some say, if you listen hardly, you can still hear him on the wind.

[32:18] Diego F. Salinas: Diggler, Diggler, Diggler, Diggler.

[32:20] Madelyn Murphy: See, again, though, this is why it—

[32:22] Diego F. Salinas: Oh, I hate it.

[32:23] Madelyn Murphy: Oh, Dan is doing something with his cheeks.

[32:25] Diego F. Salinas: I hate it!

[32:27] Madelyn Murphy: Okay, wait, I'll try.

[32:28] Diego F. Salinas: I've got the beard to grab onto.

[32:29] Madelyn Murphy: I could get full.

[32:31] Diego F. Salinas: Wait, I'll try.

[32:32] Madelyn Murphy: Hang on to my cheeks.

[32:33] Diego F. Salinas: Try it.

[32:33] Madelyn Murphy: Okay.

[32:35] Diego F. Salinas: You got no cheeks!

[32:36] Madelyn Murphy: Her skin is too taut.

[32:37] Diego F. Salinas: What's going on with you?

[32:38] Madelyn Murphy: Why don't you have more face?

[32:40] Diego F. Salinas: Aggressive skin care, I suppose.

[32:44] Madelyn Murphy: The powers of witch hazel, I see, have made you un-able.

[32:48] Diego F. Salinas: Oh!

[32:50] Madelyn Murphy: I loved that, and I hated that so much.

[32:53] Diego F. Salinas: I just like, as you're talking about, like, nudity and all that stuff.

[32:56] Madelyn Murphy: Hell yeah, baby.

[32:58] Diego F. Salinas: It always baffles me with mornings—

[33:01] Madelyn Murphy: First episode, y'all are on the podcast.

[33:04] Diego F. Salinas: Down and dirty.

[33:04] Madelyn Murphy: You had Diego and I in here.

[33:06] Diego F. Salinas: What do you expect?

[33:07] Madelyn Murphy: I did.

[33:07] Diego F. Salinas: I should have thought of this, yes.

[33:09] Madelyn Murphy: I chronically play my characters nude all the time.

[33:12] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, that's one thing—

[33:12] Madelyn Murphy: That's true, Barry Von Goblin Tooth has been—

[33:14] Diego F. Salinas: Speaking of full frontal nudity, there's just been goblin bits.

[33:17] Madelyn Murphy: Listen, canonically, his costume is just a trench coat that's open.

[33:20] Diego F. Salinas: There's just nothing underneath.

[33:22] Madelyn Murphy: Feral, absolutely feral.

[33:23] Diego F. Salinas: Well, I'm not naked because I'm wearing a helmet all the time.

[33:25] Madelyn Murphy: We were talking about this before you got here.

[33:28] Diego F. Salinas: Something happens to you personally when you put the Barry Von Goblin Tooth—

[33:33] Madelyn Murphy: It is like the green goblin mask, like, talking to you.

[33:37] Diego F. Salinas: Because Barry, for those who haven't seen the show, Barry Von Goblin Tooth is a goblin artificer.

[33:41] Madelyn Murphy: He wears this, like, beautiful trench coat designed by Casey McGeorge.

[33:46] Diego F. Salinas: And we have our base layer costume under it.

[33:48] Madelyn Murphy: But when Maddie puts it on, a completely different person is there.

[33:52] Diego F. Salinas: There is no Maddie.

[33:53] Madelyn Murphy: There is only Barry.

[33:54] Diego F. Salinas: It's like Jim Carrey's The Mask.

[33:56] Madelyn Murphy: Yes, 100%.

[33:56] Diego F. Salinas: I put on that trench coat and I feel all little threads of civility melt away.

[34:01] Madelyn Murphy: Y'all, we were coming—

[34:02] Diego F. Salinas: We were walking out for act two the other night.

[34:04] Madelyn Murphy: We were walking out for act two the other night and she's got her thing back on.

[34:07] Diego F. Salinas: We'd just done our powwow.

[34:09] Madelyn Murphy: We were coming back on and Maddie just looks at me and she's holding—

[34:12] Diego F. Salinas: Barry looks at me.

[34:13] Madelyn Murphy: And Barry is holding a giant, like, venti coffee from Starbucks.

[34:18] Diego F. Salinas: He goes, watch this!

[34:19] Madelyn Murphy: And then just turns and goes to spike it into the trash can in the dressing room and essentially just whipped half of a venti coffee at the wall.

[34:24] Diego F. Salinas: It exploded.

[34:29] Madelyn Murphy: Everywhere.

[34:30] Diego F. Salinas: Thank God it didn't get on the costumes.

[34:33] Madelyn Murphy: You're slow burn back to me of like, ahhh.

[34:35] Diego F. Salinas: It's just incredible.

[34:38] Madelyn Murphy: The bestest, bestest can confirm all of this is true.

[34:44] Diego F. Salinas: I was also, I was fully, I—

[34:47] Madelyn Murphy: Here's my thought process too.

[34:48] Diego F. Salinas: In the Barry voice, I went, this is unnecessary, but I'm 100% going to succeed.

[34:54] Madelyn Murphy: God, nothing can stop me.

[34:56] Diego F. Salinas: It, uh, yeah, it nearly bounced on Will Champion's perfect austere white costume.

[35:01] Madelyn Murphy: White lab coat.

[35:03] Diego F. Salinas: But it didn't.

[35:03] Madelyn Murphy: And listen, we all became stronger from it.

[35:07] Diego F. Salinas: I feel like Will's lab coat could get a little, you know what I mean?

[35:11] Madelyn Murphy: I could take some dings.

[35:12] Diego F. Salinas: He tries to regularly amputate healthy limbs.

[35:15] Madelyn Murphy: It can take some dings.

[35:16] Diego F. Salinas: He's a big scaly freak, man.

[35:18] Madelyn Murphy: Yeah, it can get, it can get—

[35:19] Diego F. Salinas: Blood dries brown.

[35:20] Madelyn Murphy: Yeah, yeah, there you go.

[35:22] Diego F. Salinas: Dry blood, dry coffee.

[35:23] Madelyn Murphy: Same thing.

[35:26] Diego F. Salinas: But yes, Barry, Barry Von Gobletooth, uh, unleashes something.

[35:31] Madelyn Murphy: And I have, and I'm making no efforts to tame it.

[35:35] Diego F. Salinas: No, man, let it, let it rain, dude.

[35:37] Madelyn Murphy: People love seeing it.

[35:38] Diego F. Salinas: We are both in, you're both in new tracks.

[35:40] Madelyn Murphy: Like, harder, easier, same.

[35:45] Diego F. Salinas: I think it's finding what the track is meant to contribute to the ensemble.

[35:51] Madelyn Murphy: Because I feel like as a trickster, there's like a lot of, like—

[35:56] Diego F. Salinas: Chaos.

[35:56] Madelyn Murphy: Yeah, a lot of chaos, a lot of emphasis.

[35:58] Diego F. Salinas: Like, just by the nature of the way the show is built.

[36:00] Madelyn Murphy: It's always warrior, then the mage, then the trickster.

[36:02] Diego F. Salinas: So you have a little bit more time to think.

[36:05] Madelyn Murphy: A little bit more of an expectation that you're gonna, like—

[36:08] Diego F. Salinas: You get the rule of threes boost there every time.

[36:10] Madelyn Murphy: Exactly, exactly.

[36:12] Diego F. Salinas: With the warrior, going from trickster to warrior, from the end of the line to the first up, I'm finding a lot of joy in establishing, kind of like, the first pitch.

[36:22] Madelyn Murphy: Like, setting stuff up.

[36:23] Diego F. Salinas: Like, if we're, if the whole thing was just about, you know, going on a coffee order.

[36:28] Madelyn Murphy: Like, making the first thing like a Starbucks reference.

[36:31] Diego F. Salinas: And then seeing where the mage takes it.

[36:33] Madelyn Murphy: And then seeing where the trickster takes it.

[36:35] Diego F. Salinas: So yeah, it's not, I'm still, I think I'm still finding my groove.

[36:38] Madelyn Murphy: But it is, I'm finding the satisfaction is coming from a different place.

[36:44] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, I love, the warrior is such a, is a slow burner, typically.

[36:49] Madelyn Murphy: And it's like that slow fuse.

[36:52] Diego F. Salinas: Then I always love to see the payoff when the warrior can really show off the warrior goods.

[36:57] Madelyn Murphy: Which is typically in BBEG combat.

[36:59] Diego F. Salinas: And they show off how powerful they are.

[37:01] Madelyn Murphy: And all of the leadership, and stakes, and slow burn moves that you made culminate in that.

[37:09] Diego F. Salinas: So I always viewed warriors like the pacing.

[37:11] Madelyn Murphy: Yes, it's very cultivative.

[37:14] Diego F. Salinas: Like, you have to kind of keep track on like, what all the different gains are, and what's been established.

[37:19] Madelyn Murphy: And then just kind of see how you can usher it in, in a direction.

[37:24] Diego F. Salinas: Not a correct or wrong one.

[37:26] Madelyn Murphy: But just like, this is where I'm thinking the ball's gonna go.

[37:28] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, yeah.

[37:29] Madelyn Murphy: Played it all up nice.

[37:31] Diego F. Salinas: And having just come from playing mage to now playing trickster.

[37:34] Madelyn Murphy: I mean, all of them are so much fun in their own way.

[37:36] Diego F. Salinas: I think, I think mage is very tricky in a way where you're in the middle.

[37:43] Madelyn Murphy: And you have really cool spells and abilities.

[37:47] Diego F. Salinas: And it's finding, it's like you have to be the one to weave in between what the warrior and the trickster are doing.

[37:54] Madelyn Murphy: And that can be really fun.

[37:55] Diego F. Salinas: But it just is, it's a, it is another pacing.

[37:58] Madelyn Murphy: And then yeah, trickster, I think like the job is, you get to functionally do all the tricky things that feel so quintessentially D&D, especially if people are newer to it.

[38:08] Diego F. Salinas: Like, the bard is such a figure or the charisma or the like, trying to persuade before throwing a punch.

[38:17] Madelyn Murphy: There's a lot there that I think just like, there's, I don't know, for lack of a better term, human, human conditioning, like human conditioning kind of thing of like, what is the fantasy if you were in a fantasy world?

[38:29] Diego F. Salinas: And a lot of it would be like, how much can I seduce?

[38:31] Madelyn Murphy: How much can I sneak?

[38:32] Diego F. Salinas: As opposed to just punching and pummeling.

[38:35] Madelyn Murphy: So there, I think that there's, it's all really fun.

[38:38] Diego F. Salinas: And it's just, it's very like, yeah.

[38:40] Madelyn Murphy: But I think, I think trickster is benefiting.

[38:42] Diego F. Salinas: You're given a lot more time to think through your stuff.

[38:45] Madelyn Murphy: So God, so much more.

[38:47] Diego F. Salinas: It's, you just get to chill there for half a second.

[38:49] Madelyn Murphy: And like, did you find this too?

[38:53] Diego F. Salinas: This is something I've been thinking about as I've mage more often.

[38:56] Madelyn Murphy: Is that like, man, the thing about those mage spells is.

[39:31] R. Alex Murray: You did something the other night where you looked at me when I was DMing and you're like, I'm going to take a huge risk. And you just said, and I forget what it was, it was like a save against, I had like... The whole person, yeah. You put me in one of the weirdest positions I've ever been in improvising on a stage because it's like, okay, you can't move. I was like, well, shit. I guess I'll stay here and let you guys tee off on me. But yeah, and it worked out so well. But if it hadn't, that's your turn. It's just like, it's over. It's a save or suck thing of it.

[40:05] R. Alex Murray: It was functionally playing Mage for months is what actually made me feel like I am a competent D&D player now. Because a lot of it is that like, what I've found great joy in with the Mage is paying attention to the stats of the monsters and the foes and the BBGs. Because that's when you come in where you're like, okay, got it. You've got such a library too. Like you can look down and like, especially like, freaking legs has a dex, a con, something for everything. But I'm even thinking like your Ethels or your Dustins where it's like, they're pretty squishy, AC of 11, super effective spells, but it's like all, especially Ethels. But you've got a gun that's gonna work against the BBG's weakness.

[40:44] R. Alex Murray: I would say the Wild Magic Sorceress Ethel was interesting, where Dustin, you could do Fireball. And even if they save, they take half damage. Cool. With Ethel, a lot of it was hit or miss. And the fun thing then was trying to play into the cleverness of being like, well, what is my one spell that is a constitution saving throw for them? Because con is the lowest. And it was fun being like, listen, I'm not going to do 20 points of damage, but I'm going to hit you. And that became really fun to have to prioritize that for sure.

[41:13] Diego F. Salinas: I know that one thing that was challenging about being the Trickster was if Tamburlaine, the Elf Bard, goes last in initiative, it's so hard because all he can do is- If you're green and you're last, it's hard. I was just talking about that this morning. My roommate is a DM and I was like, I love playing Tamburlaine. And the biggest challenge now is to learn how to fight well. I don't know if I can stab him with my rapier, I guess.

[41:36] R. Alex Murray: Right. Well, I was thinking that too, where I was like, all of it is, and here's the thing, the audience is smart. And so our BBG often has stats that are great against what Tamburlaine can do. Usually high charisma, high intelligence, high wisdom. Yeah. And high constitution. And so you're like- Because you're trying to nerf him. Shoot. And yeah, so a charisma-based bard is suddenly nerfed and you're like, and when you're last, you're like, well, this really cool thing that I could do, A, doesn't actually do damage. It does disadvantage. If it hits, it's not going to hit.

[42:07] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah. Yeah. It's tough. Or you could just disappear. Last round of combat in the show, I disappear and no one can see me. Yeah. Bye. Finally, I leave. Yeah. Yeah. It's a challenging spot to be. That's one thing I'm enjoying about the warrior too. There are some things that Alistair, the Oath of Vengeance Paladin, Aracocra can do. Oh, that's so cool. Where it just like, compel duel or something. Something that helps down the line.

[42:38] R. Alex Murray: Yeah. Get you set up an advantage for someone else. Especially he's got a big, a huge, he doesn't have a big initiative though. No, it's like plus two. But AC of 19. Yeah. He's invincible. It's really lovely playing him, but you do have to melt basically for two hours underneath that jacket. Oh God. Yeah. That costume is a sauna suit. It's gorgeous, but it looks great. Especially in like tutorial combats and stuff. You're just like, bring it. Yeah. Touch me. I dare you.

[43:06] Diego F. Salinas: What I really liked is you and I, for the first time, managed in combat to do kind of like bonusing for each other. I cast Grease and then you cast Fireball after that. We used to think a lot about how do we build, how do we combo move the big bad at the end? I love that we've gotten back to that. We've just found our way back to like, all right. And it's just from getting bored. It's just going like, okay, I can't divine smite this ferret a million times now. I'm going to- I'm always looking to try to use those spells that don't come out often. It's nice.

[43:41] R. Alex Murray: Well, with the warrior, everybody has about eight action cards. Yeah. Oh God. It's so much fewer cards than any of the other tricksters I played. I hit it hard and then maybe I can do something that like, I don't know. Yeah. Here's what I am very excited about though. When we have the amazing Erica come in and they'll be playing with Persica, Daella Savoy. Persica's deck is like 25 cards and there's so much about like, there's a lot of Alistair- Did you have her in Chicago?

[44:16] Diego F. Salinas: I did. I did. She is rad, but also has almost so much where you're like, oh God, it's a feast of just all these things of manipulation though with command and setting up other people. It's so cool. Gordo's got a big fat stack too because he's got a bunch of- What's Persica's class?

[44:36] R. Alex Murray: Persica is- She's a pure fighter too. I think she's like a- Yeah. She's like a barbarian ship captain. Ship barbarian? Oh no. Maybe, what is she? I want to say she's like a battle mage of some sort. She's like a- Find out this December when Erica Ishii joins the 20-sided tavern. I mean, essentially she's not a paladin, but she certainly has some of the- She has a lot of ability to command and enforce and compel duels. She has that among a couple of other things.

[45:11] Diego F. Salinas: It's a fighter class and it's one of those, I think it's like a Tasha's one where it's like, I played Lae'zel in Baldur's Gate 3 as not a psionic knight. I don't know. An eldritch knight. I think she might be an eldritch knight. Because she can shoot fireballs and stuff too, right? You got the magic and you got the sword.

[45:32] R. Alex Murray: I think when people, when a new- Eldritch knights are fun. Which what? Eldritch knights are fun. Yeah. When new players are wanting to join D&D, a lot of people naturally gravitate to, I want to be a wizard and I'm like- No, don't do that. It's so hard to be an actual wizard in an actual campaign. Dude, spell slots? Having to keep track of spell slots? But like, sorcerers can do that, but like wizards, you have to like, spell book maintenance is such a pain in the ass. I've got a guy in one of my campaigns who's like, real crunchy about it. And he's like, every time we kill a wizard, he takes their book. And then he's got all their books and he's trying to get gold so that he can spend gold to write spells and it's such a pain in the ass.

[46:13] Diego F. Salinas: I know that my next character, when we just play a regular campaign outside of, you know, doing it for work full time, I am going to be a straight up bash him, smash him, tough guy, barbarian with high acrobatics so I can do a flying backwards kickback. Trash witch redemption!

[46:33] R. Alex Murray: Yeah, maybe I'll be trash queen.

[46:36] Diego F. Salinas: Trash queen, yeah, move on up.

[46:37] R. Alex Murray: Trash queen like the-

[46:40] Diego F. Salinas: Trash crone.

[46:41] R. Alex Murray: Oh, trash crone, come on, don't.

[46:42] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, getting up there. I'm really getting up there. I'm so excited. I feel like she's either going to be a goblin or a full orc.

[46:52] R. Alex Murray: I think I'd want to try a cleric on for size next time I like play like actual D&D. I just find a lot of fun in like the support class and just being decisive.

[47:02] Diego F. Salinas: Cleric's my favorite.

[47:03] R. Alex Murray: I'm not going to ask who needs healing. I'm going to know that you're squished and be like, just heal it.

[47:06] Diego F. Salinas: Yep, heal it. You're healed.

[47:09] R. Alex Murray: I loved, man, I loved, I had like a battle cleric. I had a cleric that I gave a really high AC to. He was a gnome. His name was Fungdark.

[47:19] Diego F. Salinas: And he was a, he was a like, I think, circle of light cleric.

[47:24] R. Alex Murray: Yeah. And like, but I had Toll the Dead and then I also made him really strong. I put a bunch of, so he's this tiny jacked up gnome with a warhammer and I would just run into the middle of fights and I'd sit there and I'd like hit somebody with something and then just bonus action, slap one of my friends and heal them every turn.

[47:42] Diego F. Salinas: That's delicious.

[47:43] R. Alex Murray: I just hit and then bonus action healing, healing word or cure wounds. Just like, just in there or like sometimes on myself, I'd just be like fighting up, fighting a giant toe to toe. This gnome would just like hit him on the foot and then just hit himself for like six points and be like, come at me.

[47:57] Diego F. Salinas: You can't kill me.

[47:59] R. Alex Murray: You keep getting like bruised and battered, spitting out teeth and just healing yourself back up.

[48:03] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah, you can't take me. And then you get your spirit guardians up. Spirit guardians rule.

[48:07] R. Alex Murray: Spirit guardians are rad. I also, I don't, I would, I know from personal experience, I'm bad at playing a ranger well, but I do love a ranger because

[48:17] Diego F. Salinas: You gotta use your bonus action.

[48:18] R. Alex Murray: Of what you have to do. You have to get away from the action, get up high or behind something and then use a hunter's mark and like wait.

[48:26] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah.

[48:27] R. Alex Murray: You get a pet, which rules.

[48:28] Diego F. Salinas: I get a pet. I had a giant spider named Jalopy.

[48:31] R. Alex Murray: Oh.

[48:32] Diego F. Salinas: And I ride Jalopy through the forest.

[48:35] R. Alex Murray: I'm just imagining like-

[48:35] Diego F. Salinas: I didn't accomplish shit, but I rode Jalopy like a dream.

[48:38] R. Alex Murray: The creakiest old spider. It's got like a wooden wheel for one of its legs.

[48:45] Diego F. Salinas: It's really just like on a cart. Like one of those dogs is like missing its like hind legs.

[48:50] R. Alex Murray: It's got a little, little ratty top hat on. And every time it enters a room, it goes

[48:56] Diego F. Salinas: You have like reins on it to like steer it around.

[49:00] R. Alex Murray: It goes maybe two feet.

[49:01] Diego F. Salinas: A little steering wheel. A little like, like Model T steering wheel.

[49:04] R. Alex Murray: Yeah.

[49:04] Diego F. Salinas: Like comes out of its.

[49:05] R. Alex Murray: Yeah, yeah.

[49:07] Diego F. Salinas: It's got a, like, it's when, when not helping me through the forest, it just rides on an old timey velocipede.

[49:16] R. Alex Murray: What is the name of the bicycle with the giant?

[49:17] Diego F. Salinas: The big bike with the.

[49:18] R. Alex Murray: Yeah, that's a penny farthing, I believe is what you're looking for.

[49:21] Diego F. Salinas: Yes, Jalopy on his penny farthing.

[49:22] R. Alex Murray: Velocipede sounds like the most unholy combination of a velociraptor and a centipede.

[49:27] Diego F. Salinas: Oh my God. Yo, so many giant, a million giant claws.

[49:31] R. Alex Murray: Yeah.

[49:32] Diego F. Salinas: To mess you up.

[49:33] R. Alex Murray: Well, well, friends, we've been chatting for a while.

[49:38] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah.

[49:38] R. Alex Murray: I think this is a pretty solid place to, to call episode two of Mark two of the 20 sided tavern podcast.

[49:46] Diego F. Salinas: I think we covered all the important things. Cryptids, nudity.

[49:51] R. Alex Murray: Baking.

[49:51] Diego F. Salinas: Baking.

[49:52] R. Alex Murray: Magic.

[49:52] Diego F. Salinas: I got a portmanteau for y'all to close this out.

[49:54] R. Alex Murray: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[49:55] Diego F. Salinas: Okay. Monday, hating feline meets constructed sports.

[50:05] R. Alex Murray: Garfield of dreams.

[50:06] Diego F. Salinas: Yeah.

[50:10] R. Alex Murray: If you Garfield it, they will come.

[50:14] Diego F. Salinas: They will lasagna.

[50:16] R. Alex Murray: They will come with lasagna.

[50:17] Diego F. Salinas: But they hate Mondays.

[50:21] R. Alex Murray: Oh, that made the moment you said a cartoon hating cat. I was like, it's Garfield.

[50:24] Diego F. Salinas: There's a lot of Garfields in this room.

[50:27] R. Alex Murray: Yo, no, I know. Like you find my inspiration.

[50:30] Diego F. Salinas: It's right in my eyeline.

[50:31] R. Alex Murray: It's like Garfield of dreams. There are a whole bunch of them.

[50:34] Diego F. Salinas: I used to do a Garfield mysticism podcast.

[50:37] R. Alex Murray: Yeah. Oh, I'm sad.

[50:39] Diego F. Salinas: It's gone. I loved recording that.

[50:40] R. Alex Murray: I mean, it's not gone. It's still there.

[50:41] Diego F. Salinas: Listen to Mystic Lasagna.

[50:43] R. Alex Murray: It has nothing to do with the 20 sided tavern.

[50:45] Diego F. Salinas: I wore a turkey head and we just chatted for a while.

[50:47] R. Alex Murray: I also didn't realize it would be on video.

[50:49] Diego F. Salinas: And then he popped up and I go, huh?

[50:50] R. Alex Murray: You're on the internet forever in a turkey hat.

[50:53] Diego F. Salinas: I'm standby.

[50:53] R. Alex Murray: Oh, can I do the outro music?

[50:55] Diego F. Salinas: Yes. I forgot what my intro pop was.

[50:57] R. Alex Murray: So this is going to be closing out the 20 sided podcast of the 20 sided tavern.

[51:04] Diego F. Salinas: But a, but the 20.

[51:09] R. Alex Murray: Sponsored by viewers like you.

[51:11] Diego F. Salinas: Thank you.

[51:13] R. Alex Murray: Sponsored by Garfield of dreams.

[51:16] Diego F. Salinas: I think, I mean, that's it.

[51:18] R. Alex Murray: Thanks.

[51:18] Diego F. Salinas: I'm Alex.

[51:19] R. Alex Murray: I'm Diego.

[51:21] Diego F. Salinas: And I am Madeline.

[51:22] R. Alex Murray: So until next time.

[51:24] Diego F. Salinas: Ayo.

[51:25] R. Alex Murray: And well met.

[51:26] Diego F. Salinas: Hell yeah.