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[0:00] Martín Acuña: Hi, everyone. I am Martín Acuña, and you are listening to Backstage Talk.

[0:18] Martín Acuña: Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Backstage Talk. Today's guest is an amazing, incredible, and talented human being. He is an actor, dancer, singer, and songwriter. He has been seen in various shows at New York City's 54 Below, at Joe's Pub, the National Tour of The Lightning Thief, and can be heard on the original cast recording of the new musical Gay Card. He has also just released two incredible singles on streaming platforms. So, Sean, thank you so much for being here. I am honored. Welcome to the show.

[0:54] Sean Doherty: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.

[0:58] Martín Acuña: Tell me a little bit about you. Introduce yourself to my audience, and let's start from there.

[1:04] Sean Doherty: Yeah. I'm Sean. I live in New York. Me and my boyfriend live here. We just moved in together in April. I got my start performing relatively late, actually. I didn't really start performing until I was like 17 years old. And it was just kind of like, people were like, hey, I sang in choir. My teacher was like, you should audition for a musical. And I was like, I don't know if that's for me. And then within one year, I went from applying to the same college for nursing, got into the nursing program. And then while I was there, they're like, you should audition for the musical theater program, because I had just done this performance. And I was like, okay, and I got in. And I said, well, I've been having fun with this.

I should try it. And if it goes well, it goes well. And if it doesn't go well, I have another mate that I can switch to after one year, and it'll be fine. And then by the end of my freshman year, I was in a brand new musical as the lead role, like as a world premiere situation. And I was like, okay, maybe this is going well. And then had my first callback for a Broadway show by like, the time I was 18. And I was like, okay, I should probably keep doing this. And then it's just kind of been like a whirlwind from there. But yeah, and then I also just started releasing my own music, like you said.

[2:12] Martín Acuña: I love it. So this world premiere situation was Men With Money, right?

[2:17] Sean Doherty: That one, actually, that was a different one. I was very fortunate. I went to Milliken University, and we had a program there called new musicals, which is pretty self-explanatory. But they had every year for like, like some schools call it like J term, or like, you'd come back from winter break a little early and take an extra course. And this course would be a new musical, they would bring out two writers from usually from New York. And they would get to workshop a musical with, you know, a bunch of eager college students that are like, Oh my gosh, we get to work with these cool writers from New York. And I just got incredibly lucky my time there, the writers we worked with, in the course of three years, I did the world premiere of a musical called Golden Gate, which was written by Koomen and Diamond, Michael Koomen and Chris Diamond, who now write the music for like, Vampirina on Disney Channel.

And like, they've done a bunch of other incredible musicals. And then I also got to do String by Adam Guan and Sarah Hammond, which was like one of the most wonderful experiences I've ever had. And then also did a show called The Legend of New York with Selzman and Cunningham. And so like, by the time that I had graduated college, I had gotten to work with like, these incredible musical theatre writers with like these great off-Broadway shows in the city. And like, I immediately moved to New York and got to like work with them again, which was really, really great. But yeah, that one was my freshman year was Golden Gate, which was I don't believe it's a show that they're, I don't think they're working on any longer. But the musical comedy, a very dark musical comedy about people jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.

[3:49] Sean Doherty: It's cool. I've heard a lot of stories about people jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge. And so yeah, very dark comedy.

[3:56] Sean Doherty: Very, very dark. Very funny, but also like very intense. And so it was as like an 18-year-old who was like, I don't really know if this is what I want to do for a living going straight into playing like a suicidal main character. I was like, this is okay, I guess I'm really doing this. Like, we're going in. And then things kind of just kept going well from there.

[4:18] Martín Acuña: Yeah. Okay, but let's double click on that world premiere of Golden Gate for a minute. How was that whole experience for you?

[4:25] Sean Doherty: That was wild, because I at the time had never been in a new production of something. And now that's kind of become weirdly my MO. That's kind of like the thing I do, which I love. I love new material, I would always rather work on a new musical. I mean, obviously, I'll work when I'll work. So if you're looking to hire me, please do. But I love working on a new show, because everything just becomes so collaborative. And like you get you kind of takes all the fear out of making a mistake, because things are changing so rapidly. And like, as an actor, you just realize that it's like, my job is to interpret this material so the writers in the room can hear it in a way that like, it's my job to do the best I can with the material.

But also, like, sometimes they're going to listen to it and be like, you just did a really great job with that line. And that line didn't work. And we're cutting it. And like, but because like, you got to like, and then sometimes they'll be like, Oh, you played this scene a completely different way than I was anticipating. And I like that. So now I'm going to tailor the scene or the song to you. And like, the first time you get handed a song that's like written for you, you're like, this is the coolest thing in the whole world. Like, this is so exciting. And then I kind of just became obsessed with that kind of collaborative, exciting thing. And I've just been very, very lucky that I somehow have just gotten to work on like, a kajillion new musicals.

[5:43] Martín Acuña: That is great. I mean, new musicals are needed. Not that I don't love the classics, but I think that every new show and every new production that's sprouting out of nowhere is so brave. And I just love new things.

[5:59] Sean Doherty: And there's so many stories to be told that haven't been told. And like, sometimes I mean, like I said, I appreciate the classics, but we've hit a point where I'm sometimes I'm like, there's some stories that I think we probably ran through and we're good. Like, we don't need to be telling stories about abusive husbands and how we should forgive them. And it's just like, no, I think we should like, tell new stories about people who haven't had their voices heard before. And like, that's when things get really exciting. And that's when like, you get to see, you know, representation expand and you get to see like, stories told that just deserve to be told because they've been silent for so long.

[6:35] Martín Acuña: Yeah. So you have also been in a variety of shows at 54 Below.

[6:42] Sean Doherty: Yes. My favorite specifically was Broadway Loves Demi Lovato because I'm a Lovatic.

[6:50] Martín Acuña: Yes, as you should be. I mean, their voice is unreal.

[6:54] Sean Doherty: Yeah, absolutely. So how was that? I mean, how was building that show for 54 Below?

[7:02] Sean Doherty: I mean, I've been so lucky to know Ben who does those shows. And I met Ben, I was doing this thing called 54 Concert Lab, which only happened like for two years. And it was like a way to workshop cabaret material. And so we got to like have five to seven minute slots for three weeks at 54 in like a larger show. And then we get to like try something out. Sometimes it would fail miserably. It was always at like 11:30 at night. So we were all like tired and like half the audience was wasted and it was fine. But like, it was kind of like a safe space to come in and just try stuff. And Ben hosted one night. And then I sang from Gay Card. And he literally on the mic just goes, hold on a musical theater tenor.

You're like, I think he said specifically a musical theater tenor who can act and hold an A-flat. I need to know who you are. Who are you? And I was like, oh my gosh. And then he asked me to sing backup for Broadway's Loves. Kelly Clarkson was the first one I did. And then that one was wild because somebody called out the day of the show. And at noon, I got a call and he was like, can you learn Already Gone by seven o'clock? And I was like, yes, I can. I love Kelly Clarkson. Let's do this. And so and that was kind of like a wonderful first working environment because I got thrown in and it went well. And so then and I love working with Ben. He's a riot. And yeah, so like the Demi Lovato one was a real, real good time.

That one I only sang backup for. But we I think we sang on like every song. And there's so many bops in that like repertoire. I was having the best time like and some of those harmonies were so fun. Marissa Rosen did a bunch of harmonies for that for us. And I loved it. I love doing I honestly I really do actually love singing backup like there's such an actual art to doing BGVs. And like, it's just it's so much fun. And like it becomes this like, with with like the right group, which it's always the right group with Ben shows like it becomes this really collaborative thing. And you don't just feel like you're in the back. You're like, I'm a part of the band, the performance as a whole. And it's so much fun.

[9:03] Martín Acuña: Okay, let's go back into musical theater and the shows you've been. You were part of the world premiere of Men With Money.

[9:08] Sean Doherty: Yeah, I love that show so much. Go ahead. Tell us all about that. All about it. I this is another like, truly right place, right time situation. One of my very good friends used to be the stage manager for New York Theater Barn, and every month they would have a presentation of new pieces. And apparently, there was like, they were doing a 45-minute reading of Men With Money as it was this was like five years ago. And the they had like a big name as like the main guy and he dropped he had to drop out like the day of because he booked a TV show and they're like, he was like, I'm so sorry. And it was they're like, it's fine. We'll just find somebody. And so they asked around the room and they're like, Do you know anybody that can sing this?

And my friend Mackenzie was there and she was like, Oh, my friend Sean literally just moved to the city like two weeks ago, and he can do this. And they were like, Okay, cool. Like, we'll keep him in mind. And then they went over to NYU. And they were like, hanging out with all the writers there. And like, does anybody know anybody that like can sing this? And Adam Guan happened to be at NYU. And I had just finished doing String with him. And he was like, Oh, this kid I know that just graduated. He's like, like, saying my show like he can absolutely do this. And they're like, that's the second time we've heard his name. Let's just cast him totally blind. Like I sent a YouTube video, I think.

And then I did that 45-minute was like more of like a concert style. And I just absolutely fell in love because I mean, it's the show is for anyone that doesn't know, the show is a tribute to classic, big Broadway musical theater, but it's set in a bill always calls it as like a technicolor version of 19th.

[10:49] Sean Doherty: And that there's no societal oppression. And so it's like a true fantasy world. And so like, like race isn't an issue, gender isn't an issue, like anything. And so like, the cast can be anything. And it's also mostly about queer relationships. And it's one of those things where like, you don't realize how much like you wanted a big, classic love story between, you know, two gay men, until like you're, you're experiencing it. And you're like, Oh, I always wanted this. Like, and I never we never got it. Like, we just never had an opportunity to like, have like the big romantic kiss at the end. And like, and so I did that concert reading, and I loved it. And then I was I would do like BMI showing after BMI showing for their classes.

And like, I did it for years. And then they announced that they were doing the world premiere at the Aurora Theater in Lawrenceville, Georgia. It's the most wonderful place to work in the entire world. I love them all so much. And I auditioned and they kept me on which I was like, super excited about. And so I got to go down. We did a reading about three months before we went out and did the show. And then flew back down. And we did a full run. And we like built the whole show from, you know, like only doing it at music stands for four years and got to finally like, take the stands away and see what happens when like, how does that quick change work when you actually have to change a three piece suit?

Like, it was the most incredible cast I've ever worked with from like, literally every member of the cast was at the top of their game at all times, the dancers were learning full new choreography for full new sequences every single day. And like, they would be like, sorry, we're cutting that whole 32 bar section. But now we have a new one. And we're changing the choreo. And they would all just be like, Yep, let's go. And like, it was every single member of that cast is like, it was a truly beautiful experience. Like I walked out of that feeling the most fulfilled about anything I've ever been a part of.

[12:47] Martín Acuña: Amazing. Amazing. So you're all about I love it. You're all about new shows you have been part of in pieces and forget me not that are two musicals by Joey Contreras. What has been your favorite part of this new shows or cast recordings?

[13:05] Sean Doherty: I mean, working with Joey is a blast. And as well as his husband, Brian, I mean, Brian also directs my music videos, Joey was like, he helped film my last music video, like, I love them so much. In pieces was such a blast. Because like, especially from our perspective, you know, we come in to go record and like, we only know our little part that we're recording. And so you like, I record this, like tenor line, I do these like little mini solo things and stuff. And then all of a sudden, we get to hear the full thing. And it's just like, oh, like, these crazy huge stars are like singing these like amazing things. And like, I was like, Oh, I'm a part of it. That's cool. But that music, his music is so fun.

He like can write a hook like nobody else. So catchy. That one and then forget me not it was is so cool. I can't wait for people to get to experience more forget me not because we had a really, really great time doing our reading of that just before COVID. And it's just like, it's a wild ride of a show. The music is great. Well, hopefully now that we are getting through COVID, we can see more of that show because yes, we need it. And we just did some demos for it. So I know that they're doing some stuff. Great, great, great, great. Crossing fingers.

[14:16] Sean Doherty: Yeah, you were also seen in the lightning thief. Yeah. In the 2014 tour. This was way before their Broadway gig. Yeah. And their pre tour pre Broadway tour. How was seeing that show grow so much till I got to Broadway?

[14:35] Sean Doherty: Yeah, it was really, really cool, actually, because like, the initial Lordsell production was then the production we took on tour, and we were the first group to do it. So like, and that cast, I mean, we text each other, like all the time, we were still very good friends. When you ride in a van together for four hours and do shows at six in the morning, like you bond. But like, what was so amazing about that process was like, they didn't make a show that was it's like, it's for like a family audience, but it doesn't condescend to children in any capacity. Like it's a very, like, try to keep up because, like, we're asking a lot of you because these kids are risking their lives to fight monsters and stuff.

And I loved that it felt to me like old classic, like 80s movies were like, no, no, like, you're gonna be a little scared at times and like, people are actually in danger and like people die and like things are serious, but it also is like super funny and goofy. And like, I'm using leaf blowers with toilet paper on the end of it. And like, it's watching it then go to like, we did our tour. I knew a couple people that did the tour after us. And so I got to like, keep up with that. And then when I found out they were expanding into act, Rob Rikiki is the best. I love him. And like Joe is obviously amazing, too. And I was just so excited to see him get to expand on what was already such a tight, great, like hour and 15 minute show.

Because he just had so much more good music to write for that show. Like the when they added Good Kid, I was like, well, there you go. Good Kid is such a great song. And like, My Grand Plan is amazing. And so I got to see it off at the Lord's Hell again, when they did the remount with the two acts. And so I saw that one. And that was, I absolutely loved it. And then heard about the tour. And then I went back and saw it on Broadway again, when they came back. And I was just like, who would have thought a little show that we were doing in, like, one day we would be performing at like a touring house with lights and fog and like, everything would be amazing. And like, like, actually incredible.

And then the next day, they'd be like, Alright, we're doing the show in a middle school gym for 50 people, the sound systems broken. And it's eight in the morning. Like, okay, like, it was kind of like constant whiplash. And then to see that little show that we did in like, a middle school gym with like a rope hanging hanging next to us to like, end up on Broadway was really cool.

[16:59] Martín Acuña: I love it. I love it. That is one of my favorite shows. It's so good. Ever. I didn't get to see it. But my aunt did. And it was amazing. And I mean, the music, that whole cast recording is beautiful.

[17:14] Sean Doherty: I'm so glad I got to do the recording because it's the music's just too good. And like, yeah, it's funny. I like I think there's in the in the theater community, the grand community, I like, I think there's a lot of, like, kind of a lot of nastiness put towards like shows that are aimed at a more like, teenage or like, family friendly audience. And I like get so annoyed at that concept. Like I know, like the same thing kind of got aimed at like, be more chill. And I was like, I loved both shows. And like, we should we should allow the space for shows to be both like, smart and funny, but also like, let teenagers have a show like, they should be able to come to Broadway and see a show that they feel seen.

And like, that was the thing about both lightning thief and be more chill that I loved is that I like, you'd see these like teens in the audience being like, Oh, that's how I feel. And like, it's really rare that they get a chance to see that on Broadway. Because if they go to see like, Chicago, like, what are they gonna get out of that?

[18:11] Martín Acuña: Absolutely. So let's jump into another new musical that you're part of, that has another cast recording, and it's gay card.

[18:20] Sean Doherty: Yeah, what was the best part of this?

[18:23] Sean Doherty: Honestly, it was all like, so so wonderful. That was another like, I sang it for a couple BMI classes, I would like help them out. And then they were like, we're doing an album. Do you want to do it? And I was like, Yeah, that's awesome. The group of people they got together for that was so amazing. Like I got to in a studio fall in love with Derek Lena every day. Super difficult. Yeah, you can tell. He's the nicest guy in the whole world. And like, obviously, he's stunning. So like, we had the best time recording that. And everybody just like, we it was a very tight schedule. I think we recorded the entire album in like, two, six or seven hour sessions. Wow. So lots of singing in a very short period of time.

It was very exhausting. But like, everyone was so game for it. Like we would just be like, Alright, we've got 30 minutes to record all of Follow Me with like the crazy three part harmonies. They're like, we're just gonna go and everybody was just like ready to go rehearsed, knew what their job was. It was just like working with like 25 pros all at once. It was just really, really exciting.

[19:27] Martín Acuña: That is amazing. Amazing. Amazing. And also, again, the music from that show is great. Like that cast recording is great.

[19:36] Sean Doherty: Yeah, I mean, there was one that came out of friends of mine and I told the writers about this I we went in and we made a cut of like on our own of Fake ID. And we took out the interlude. And I was just like, I was like, let me tell you, I love the interlude. The interlude is amazing. I was like, but I want to put this on party playlist because Fake ID is a bop. And they were like, Oh, no, I completely understand.

[20:05] Martín Acuña: What do you think is the biggest challenge a musical theater triple threat or performer can face right now?

[20:17] Sean Doherty: I mean, it's like the hardest time to possibly be trying to do this. And like, it's always already been the hardest time to try to be a performer. And like, right now, it's especially just like, I mean, it's tough. I right now I'm kind of dealing with there's just not a lot of jobs in the, in the industry to begin with. And now there's just like, a quarter of those available. And so like, you've got 1000s and 1000s of incredible performers, and everyone's just like, how are we gonna stay alive? And like, it's kind of a bloodbath. Like everyone's just like, fighting for all the same roles. And like, you'll get like, I'll get texts from friends being like, Are you in for this? I'm like, Yeah, I'm like, we're all just being like, I was like, I hope you get it.

I hope one of us gets it. Because like, we all are just trying to be employed. It's, yeah, it's just kind of like hoping that you're in the right place at the right time, and can weasel your way into one of the like, 10 shows that are happening?

[21:11] Martín Acuña: Yeah. Okay, let's flip coins into your songs, because you have released two singles that are now on Spotify, Apple Music, the rest of the streaming platforms, and they are Boys in the Backseat and Still Got Me. Right? I love them. I made a playlist a couple of months ago that

[21:36] Sean Doherty: Like, I kind of just like, if a phrase comes to mind, or like, if like something, I don't like a deep cut memory, or like something like pops into my head, I'll just write it in my notes app. And then usually I just kind of like, there's never been like a timeline, because I've never had been releasing stuff until now. And so I just kind of always like sit around and like, maybe if I was like having a glass of wine, I'd like sit at the piano, and I'd be like, Oh, you know what, like, that's kind of a cool melody. Oh, you know, like, I bet if I go through my notes app and like find someone that one of the random things I've written down, and I like pick something and be like, Oh, that kind of works.

And then all of a sudden, there's a song and like, I don't have any like specific process, which is the it's like the most like messy songwriter thing to say. But like, they just kind of keep happening, which is great. I did. The reason these two actually came together the way they did was I was in LA for three months at the end of last year, because me and my boyfriend decided that if we were going to be like sad about the world, we might as well be warm. And our friend had a room available and that we could like quarantine and we were like, let's just get there, lock ourselves inside and like, at least we can be warm. And that's all we wanted. But I had nothing to do out there because I was still unemployed.

But also then I was like really stuck inside. And so I started taking classes through monthly, which is like it's like masterclass, but they do like a month long class. And I took a Ryan Tedder music production and songwriting class from OneRepublic and I was like, I just wanted to know more about production and like mixing and I was just like this, it felt like a good way to get into it. And the second I started the class, like things just started flying out. Like I wrote three songs in that class. Two of them were "Boys in the Backseat" and "Still Got Me." And it taught me so much about like, production and like how you can take a song and it can just be like on a piano on a voice memo, but you can expand it on your own to like a demo level that you can then take it to a producer and like be like, this is what I want it to feel like.

And so it was hugely educational and like changed how I think about music. And then I was like, I've got these songs and I think they're pretty good. And I was like, what if I just tried releasing them and I feel insane every day, but it's fun. I love it. And it's so exciting because it's putting your craft out there. It's putting it out in the world to see it and to hear it to feel it. And I'm just excited for you. Can we expect a full album after these two singles?

[24:35] Sean Doherty: I really, I really want to. The thing about like, and I'm sure everybody's like sort of knows this, but like, making music is very expensive. And so like, I was kind of, my plan is to hopefully do an EP and I'm considering doing a crowdfund like Kickstarter situation for it. But I don't know if it's quite the time yet. I think I'm going to try and release one more single on its own and see how much I can expand the audience with singles before I try to like invest money into doing a full EP because a lot of people it's like, we'll listen to a single but unless you have like a solid groundwork, if they see five songs in a row, they're like too long, I'm too busy. And so I was like, I want to kind of want to like, just kind of keep a momentum going of like, I have a new song, I have a new song.

And then hopefully if I get enough people, you know, clamoring for an EP, I want to drop like a six song EP to like start. But I've been having a blast. I have a full album written. It's just yeah, okay. It's expensive. Producing music. It's expensive. Yeah, that's it's the only the only thing holding me back is the financial side. But we'll get there. It's like I have my third single is like planned. I don't have a total timeline for it yet. I just have to figure out the financial side of it. But it's, I'm hoping like, early 2022. That's what year it is. Yeah.

[26:03] Martín Acuña: Great. So would you want to start dipping your feet into writing for musical theater specifically, or you're just right now as your NND artist?

[26:17] Sean Doherty: Um, I would always consider it. I'm always like down for anything, honestly. And like, I love a challenge because it makes you better. Like if you have to like try and do something outside of your comfort zone. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, I technically when I was in college, my final thesis project, I was like, in our honors program, you had to like do one massive project for your last two years. And I wrote a musical with one of my friends, and she wrote the book and I wrote the music and lyrics. And it was like, I honestly, like, had a great time. It was super fun. It was also one of the most stressful things I've ever done in my entire life. But some of it actually came out pretty okay. And we were like happy with it.

And like, we did a reading and the audience enjoyed it and like got some people crying at the end. And I was like, Alright, okay, like there was some worthy things in there. But I haven't I mean, that's just like a whole nother level of like, like in a single song, you're telling a story in three minutes. Telling a full musical is just like a whole other beast. But I would, if somebody was like, let's write this, I'd be like, Okay, let's try.

[27:27] Martín Acuña: Awesome. Awesome. Cross our fingers. It happens. Maybe down the road. We'll see. Yes. Okay. What would be a piece of advice you would tell a younger version of yourself?

[27:36] Sean Doherty: Oh, that's a good question. Um, I think it would be like, don't put so much pressure on yourself to be like on Broadway at as soon as possible. And like, to be like, there are so many other ways that you will be artistically fulfilled that aren't one of the like, 12 shows that you can be in right now. Like, there's so much more to the world in terms of art. And it's a very coveted one, because it's like incredibly well paying. And it's also just like, obviously the coolest thing in the world. But like, it's, for me, I would tell myself be like, it's chill. If you're not on Broadway at 24. Most people aren't. And I felt like I think I had a lot of pressure on myself when I was younger to be like, I graduated college, now I gotta get on Broadway.

And it's just like, and then you see like people, you know, sometimes it happens. And it's amazing for them. But like, your journey is yours. And it's chill, it's gonna be fine. You're gonna get to sing with all these people that you've loved for years, it's gonna be okay.

[28:33] Martín Acuña: Absolutely. I agree with you. I mean, I was on the same mindset, I was, I'm gonna graduate college, I'm gonna move to New York and whatever happens, but I need to be there before this age. And right now, I am like, I'm 27. In the middle of a pandemic, I am not moving anytime soon, even though I want to. Yeah, if I get there before 30, that's cool. And if it's not 30, then it will be cool, too.

[29:05] Sean Doherty: That's the other thing is cities are always there. Yeah. You're like, you can leave like I left for, you know, four months and I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I didn't miss anything. I wrote two songs and brought them back to New York. Like, it's fine.

[29:20] Martín Acuña: Absolutely. Okay. One question before we wrap up. Yeah. What's your top five favorite musical theater shows?

[29:30] Sean Doherty: Oh, okay. That's a really good one. Um, my gut that's like popping out right now. Top show is Fun Home. I that show just me that I like, it's for me, it's the changing my major, I think is the first time I ever saw a show where discovering someone's sexuality was like, as it was a positive, it wasn't like, I'm gay. It was like, I'm gay. This is amazing. I like I was a mess the whole time in the theater. I loved it. Um, to I'm a sucker once is my favorite movie of all time. I saw it in theaters when I was like 15. And it changed my life. And I love the musical so much. I think the musical is like a perfect companion piece to it. So I probably do once in there. Um, once on this island, the original or the revival?

Um, I think the revival is the best. It's my personal favorite interpretation of the show. Yeah, yeah. I loved it so much. I lost my mind. Alex Newell. How dare you? Um, ooh, now it's getting tricky. Okay, so I've got those three. Oh, this is a tough one. Um, I really love ragtime. Okay. I was a wreck during ragtime. I love that show. What I'm trying to think of things that I saw before. Oh, I I'm a sucker for Hadestown. I that show ruined me. I was a disaster. That's also gonna it's gonna be my like, great white whale of me trying to get into a show. But I've been in for it a couple of times. And like, it's if it happens great. But otherwise, I'm like, I will go see that show over and over. I love it so much.

[31:10] Martín Acuña: Well, Sean, thank you so much for coming over. If people want to contact you, listen to you, get a hold of you, where can they find you?

[31:20] Sean Doherty: Yeah, um, you can find me. My website is SeanDDoherty.com. My middle initial is D for Daniel, in case you're wondering. That's why I didn't just make a typo. My Instagram is Sean D Doherty as well. My Twitter is just Sean Doherty because a friend was very nice and got me my own hat. And then you can follow me on Spotify also under Sean Doherty and all other streaming services.

[31:47] Martín Acuña: Awesome. Well, Sean, thank you so much. I have loved listening to your story to your journey. And I cannot wait to whatever is in the future for you.

[31:56] Sean Doherty: Thank you so much.

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