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[0:05] Eila Mell: Hello and welcome to Behind the Awards. I'm Eila. I'm here with Bruce. Hello there, Eila.

[0:21] Bruce Gotlieb: So unfortunately, Cats has closed. It was such a wonderful Jellicle Ball.

[0:21] Eila Mell: It was. It was so much fun. And listen, you know, it had a tremendous off-Broadway run. I guess, kind of like, you know, a flash in the pan on Broadway. But you know what? Isn't that the ballroom community? And that's, it kind of is apropos a little bit because, oh, it's just, yeah, since the right, right. It just such a wonderful, joy filled show. And one of the most fun parts are the guest judges. And so I thought no one could top the guest judges that you had, which tell people who you had when you were there.

[0:59] Bruce Gotlieb: I had Lin-Manuel Miranda and Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber. Now that is top tier A-list. But on the last weekend, there was one guest who I think outdoes it all for me anyway. And it was, they had Terrence Mann, the original Rum Tum Tugger.

[1:21] Eila Mell: How fun.

[1:22] Bruce Gotlieb: But for me, those old Cats commercials, he was the most exciting part of it for me. I just thought, look at what this guy is doing. Wow.

[1:30] Eila Mell: I just remember those commercials with the costumes because you got a close up of the costume and the makeup. No, you would never, unless you were lucky enough to be backstage, you would never get an opportunity to be that close to see that.

[1:44] Bruce Gotlieb: Yeah, yeah. So while everyone else loved Betty Buckley singing Memory, and of course that was incredible, but I just love the sexiness and the energy of the Rum Tum Tugger, specifically played by Terrence Mann, because that was what I saw in the commercials.

[2:00] Eila Mell: Well, they didn't shy away from the sexiness of Rum Tum Tugger in this version.

[2:05] Bruce Gotlieb: Oh no, they leaned into that for sure. So it's just amazing that Sydney James Harker was with Terrence Mann on the same stage, sharing space as two Rum Tum Tuggers. I just think that's amazing. And for me, as a theater geek, it was just pure joy. So I love that moment.

[2:25] Eila Mell: Well, and speaking of the evolution of things, everybody loves a good cover. You go to YouTube, you can get caught in a rabbit hole of covers from here till the sun goes down. We have Matt Copley on, who has done some punk covers of Defying Gravity, She Used to Be Mine, and has a Broadway Does Punk show coming this fall. So we chat with him a bit.

[2:56] Bruce Gotlieb: Well, welcome to Behind the Awards, Matt. It's nice to meet you.

[3:01] Matt Copley: Thank you for having me.

[3:03] Bruce Gotlieb: Thank you for taking time out of your busy day. We're thrilled to have you here and chat a little bit about some of your upcoming projects and all that you're creating. Our listeners love the Broadway community. So tell us a little bit about this Broadway Does Punk.

[3:19] Matt Copley: I started this project, Broadway Does Punk, like four years ago. I was in a rock band and still am in a band called Unwell. And we were figuring out ways to promote our new record and trying to find out what was going to make us stand out or what was unique to us or unique to me. And part of my story is I went to college for musical theater and I grew up like a really big theater nerd, but I was in this rock band at the same time. So I had this idea to just combine the two, because there really wasn't much online at that point, like four years ago, of people doing rock covers. There was like a couple, but nothing really, nothing, not a lot. So I was like, OK, well, let me just like try to do one cover and let's just see what happens.

We never have to. It took a minute to get my bandmates on board. They weren't stoked at the idea because they're not like super theater guys. But I was like, let's just do one. Let's see if it if it works and if it's cool and, you know, we'll never have to do it again if it doesn't work. And that ended up being Defying Gravity and Defying Gravity was the first cover I posted like four years ago and it just like took off online. And yeah, and then I took a break for a while while it was really busy over the last three years and we toured nationally and internationally. But this year, back in February, I started the project probably just back up again and kind of really dove all in on it this time around.

And I believe releasing covers every week and working on an album and doing this show off Broadway in October. So it's been a really exciting time. I feel like I'm talking forever at this point. But but yeah, that's basically the back story of kind of how I got to where I am right now.

[5:08] Eila Mell: Have you always been a fan of punk or was it just something that you thought was so counter to the Broadway style?

[5:13] Matt Copley: I grew up loving like post-hardcore, screamo, punk, any kind of like metalcore music growing up. I went to Warped Tour. I went to like a bunch of concerts. I was just I was surrounded by that music. And I was just like kind of ran tangentially to like my theater interest. But I never thought about really combining the two growing up because they were so different to me and I never thought that was allowed or whatever. But I will say when I was in like middle school, I saw the touring production of American Idiot in Detroit and that like changed the game for me. I was like, wow, this is this is like I love the Green Day growing up. I listen to 21st Century Breakdown, that record like all the time. And I yeah, when I saw that musical, it just like opened my eyes and I was like, wow, the both of these worlds can be combined. But I never really thought to do it myself. And so much later. That definitely that musical in particular had a huge influence in what I do today.

[6:12] Eila Mell: Well, starting with the song like Defying Gravity, it's, you know, you know, it's not like you you dipped a toe in like you went all in. So of the covers that you've done besides that, what's been your favorite or maybe the one that's been the most pleasant surprise to discover?

[6:29] Matt Copley: Oh, that's a really good question. I am. You know, each song is so unique in the way we approach it and like cover it. But I think some of my favorites lately, I really liked I did a quick 30 second online cover of She Used To Be Mine from Waitress. I really like that. I think I think what for me what I think makes makes my favorite covers are the lyrics because I think there's a lot of lyrics that are like very wear your heart on your sleeve, like very emotional, very story driven. And I think adding just kind of like, you know, more rock and metal instrumental to it just heightens the intensity of whatever message the story's talking about. So I think like specifically that Waitress song was just it's at like a pinnacle point of the show.

And it's so emotional. So for those reasons, that's one of my favorite that I've done so recently. And, you know, kind of like Defying Gravity too. I think Defying Gravity was successful just because it is like the, you know, it's it's iconic. Yeah. And it's it's so emotional. And just heightening that to a new level with this rock instrumental, I think was was a smart choice. And it's fun to discover the stuff that that really works because some songs work super well, and some like don't work nearly as well as I thought they would. And but I love I just love I love everything that that we're able to create.

[7:50] Eila Mell: Now, will you be giving Edelweiss a punk treatment that could really use it?

[7:59] Matt Copley: That's a good that's a good one. I keep I keep getting recommended. What's that song from Annie? One of the Annie songs keeps getting messaged to me. I just think it's so so maybe maybe who knows it could it could pop off.

[8:13] Eila Mell: Has there been a song that you sat down to do and you've been like, you know what, I think this is gonna work. And you've just been like, we got to we got to change change a direction. It just isn't gonna fit.

[8:24] Matt Copley: Every song proposes different challenges. But I'd say as a whole, like all Sondheim pieces are incredibly challenging. Yeah, true. I mean, they're challenging just to like the normal right musical theater performer in general because because they're they're insanely written songs. But yeah, he is. It's very hard to take his music and make it kind of more of a traditional structured like pop anthem or pop rock like anthem. It's because not a lot repeats. It's very intricate melodies. So yeah, it is it is. I would say like, I've approached a couple of his songs, and I've only been able to post one so far, but I've tried a few. And I'm not like giving up on them. But yeah, every time I go to approach one of his songs, I'm like, man, like this is that this is really making me work here.

[9:11] Eila Mell: So punk grew out of a political movement. Is there anything political about what you're doing?

[9:16] Matt Copley: Honestly? No, I mean, it's not like the forward messaging I'm I'm portraying with this project. I just really like having fun making these covers and making the music and making new versions of these songs that people know and love and giving them a new life or giving them a new audience per se that wouldn't have listened to the Defying Gravity Broadway cast recording, but maybe now they will because they heard my cover. So I think I just I just really enjoy broadening the audiences and getting more people involved.

[9:45] Eila Mell: Well, there's so much fun to listen to. And you know, I think that people do love hearing a new take on something that they already love. So that's it's so smart to tap into that audience.

[9:55] Matt Copley: Yeah, thank you. I wouldn't have thought that there was such a big crossover before I started posting these covers online. But dude, yes, it's proven to be quite a big community that seems to gravitate towards these and it's really cool. And I'm just happy and lucky to be able to to do this right now.

[10:12] Eila Mell: Is there still part of you that would like to maybe one day, you know, step on the Broadway stage and fulfill that college kids fantasy of a Broadway life?

[10:21] Matt Copley: Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, that's you know, I that's why I got my bachelor's degree in musical theater specifically. So like, that was my dream. That was like my whole life for, you know, all of high school and all of college for like eight years of my life. I dedicated towards, you know, pursuing an actor's a stage actor's like dream in that career. And I graduated in 2020 from college. So I never got to experience it. I never got to audition or like sign with an agency or like do those things that are so pinnacle to your to an actor's career. But now having this project and doing this back in February, I, I just moved to New York last week. Like I told you guys a little earlier, I signed with a really good talent agency just from my stuff online and from my past experience in college. And just this morning, I was at an audition. So that's why I was like a little late because I was I was heading back from Pearl Studios this morning.

[11:19] Eila Mell: Amazing. Congratulations.

[11:21] Matt Copley: So yeah, I'm definitely it's definitely still on the docket. I think I've grown though, in the sense that like, it's not the only thing I want to do in my life anymore. You know, that was like the goal. And of course, it's still like a huge goal and bucket list thing for me to be on Broadway and to be in a really cool or national tour or something. But there's a bunch of other things that specifically this Broadway this punk project has opened up and a lot of doors that are new to me that I'm like, Oh, wow, this could be this could be cool. You know, we're talking about taking this thing on tour next year. And I was like, man, like that, that would be like, that's that's a different dream that I would love to fulfill. So sure. Yeah. So yeah.

[11:58] Eila Mell: And so what can people expect from your show that's coming up in October?

[12:02] Matt Copley: Ooh, um, a lot of fun. I've been calling this from the start the perfect fusion of a Broadway musical and a rock concert. So the the contents of the show is much just like a rock concert. It's like all these these rockified Broadway songs that you know and love. But there's a few but there's like a lot of Broadway crossover with the venue it's at is a proscenium theater, which is different than like a general admission rock venue. It has a big stage set in design, which is really, really awesome. I have a light show and video panels throughout the set to that display like different things. So it is a very, very cool show. I keep telling people like even if you don't like my music at all, you will have an amazing time just watching the production.

It's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun, but it's and we keep calling this like the proof of concept for the tours. Yeah. So we're really testing a lot of things out with these two shows in October. That's why it's so limited. And we're only selling a few tickets because like we just want to see what works and what doesn't. And you know, see if this venue style works or maybe like when we go to tour, maybe we do play general admission rock venues because maybe it'll work a little better. We don't know. So that's what we'll we'll find out in October.

[13:13] Eila Mell: Well, it's like, you know, being you know, like when a show goes out of town to see, you know, what works what doesn't work and have those you know, tweaks and stuff changed around to try to to try to figure that all out. So yeah, exactly. Will you be calling on? Obviously, you'll have your band with you. You're going to be calling on any Broadway people to help sing some of the Broadway songs or just exclusively the band?

[13:37] Matt Copley: Oh, yeah. Yes, I am. I got a I got a cool list of people joining me that hasn't been announced yet, so I can't share. But yeah, there's there's some there's some really cool people that are going to be there. So if anybody's listening, I'll get you tickets now before those get announced, because I have a feeling I have a feeling it's gonna sell real well after they're announced.

[13:56] Eila Mell: Oh, that's intriguing. Can you give us a hint?

[14:02] Matt Copley: Oh, I haven't. I haven't thought about a hint. Can you say maybe some of the shows that the people have done on Broadway without saying who they are?

[14:07] Matt Copley: All right. We don't honestly, like, honestly, like, I don't think so. I think as soon as I say, okay, I'm gonna know who it is. Okay. All right. But but it'll be worth the wait. And the people and there's there's people from all over not just Broadway, too. So it's a couple Broadway stars. There's more like Broadway adjacent musical stars.

[14:26] Eila Mell: Oh, fun.

[14:27] Matt Copley: It's hard. It's hard to define that without actually telling you who it is. But like, there's right people, people will be really excited to see these guests join on stage and some are expected and some are not expected.

[14:41] Matt Copley: I'm excited to see how people react to this announcement.

[14:44] Eila Mell: Yeah.

[14:44] Matt Copley: When you have this type of situation where you have guests coming on, does that influence a playlist that you put together? Is it a conversation of what you want to do versus what they want to do or what sits well? Or is it, come in, we're going to rehearse and we're going to just figure this out on the fly?

[15:01] Matt Copley: It's a little bit of both. I think each person we have for this show was brought on in a different way. Although there's some, I think for the most part, I worked out the set list on my own because I had to finish the show back in, I want to say, late May or early June is when I finished actually writing the show. And then, yeah, I wasn't able to start really those guest conversations until recently. Just because a lot of, especially with Broadway actors and actors, gigs and shows pop up all last minute sometimes. So I couldn't really, a lot of people weren't able to commit until right around now. So this time around, I did, with the exception of one person, I just made the set list and I was like, okay, what fits for, and I honestly searched for the guests based on the set list. So I was like, okay, I'm going to need a guest vocalist for my cover of Phantom of the Opera. So I need someone that can sing the Christine part, but the way I wrote it.

[16:00] Eila Mell: Sure.

[16:00] Matt Copley: So that's kind of influenced who I was looking for when I was looking for these guests. And so, yeah, I was more of like, I wrote the role and I was looking for a role to fill this time around. But that being said, for the future of the show, whether it's a sit down in New York or Vegas or a tour, I want to bring on guests wherever I'm at because it just makes it fun and more interesting for other people too. I would love to do more collaborating because I'd be happy to write a cover or do a cover of one of these songs specifically for this person to compliment them the best I could. Because that would be so fun for me too, to be able to work with them in the studio capacity rather than just a live capacity. So that's definitely something I would love to do in the future. But yeah, I hope that answers kind of the question there.

[16:44] Eila Mell: Yeah, sure. So your videos, it's all your vision. But so now this is a show, it's different. Do you have to bring in a director or are you able to direct this yourself?

[16:55] Matt Copley: So I don't have a director. The really that that's kind of like the weird thing about or not the weird thing, but that's kind of where that fusion of a broader musical and rock concert comes into play because there really isn't like a narrative to the show at all. It's really like, for definition purposes, it's like a review where it's like just all these songs kind of, you know, in a set list like a rock concert is. But there is like transitions in between like musical transitions. And there's like this little narrator character that I created that will pop up on the video walls in between just to like kind of move the show along and the performers a break like a water break in between songs and stuff.

So there's not a director because there's really not much to direct. But I do have a friend helping like stage, you know, during certain songs where my guitar player is going to be and where I'm going to be and stuff like that. But I brought in a really, really knowledgeable and veteran production team to help build the show because that's not so I'm not my background is not production.

[17:53] Eila Mell: Right.

[17:54] Matt Copley: So I brought on a really good production manager. His name is Jeff Maker. He works with like some of the biggest arena rock bands in the world right now. He works with I Prevail, which is a huge metalcore band. He's worked with God Smack and Mega Death and All Time Low and all these crazy like metal concert. And that's his background. So that's the kind of like energy I'm bringing to a Broadway proscenium theater or an opera proscenium theater, which is like part of the fun for me because he's designing the show. He's programming the show and managing the show like it would be an arena rock show. But then my general manager at one of the producers on board is Carl White with Martian Entertainment.

And there they do like they do a lot of Broadway and off Broadway shows. I think right now they do The Play That Goes Wrong off Broadway and they do more. I mean, their background is Broadway stuff. So I have them general managing, but Jeff production managing. And it's like a cool. So everyone's like learning how to work with each other because everyone operates a little differently. But right now, what we're creating is really, really cool. And I'm so excited to just get this on his feet.

[19:00] Eila Mell: It sounds like so much fun. We know the Broadway community has embraced what you're doing. Has the rock community also embraced it?

[19:06] Matt Copley: That's a great question. I think so. I don't really know. I don't know. I think so. I think. Yes, I think what I was saying a little earlier. There's a huge crossover and just like emo fans, emo music fans in general. Everyone that likes My Chemical Romance probably likes some kind of Broadway cast recording or the likes of, you know, or some kind of theater because there's something I was talking about with someone the other day was I think there's a big crossover because like in high school, I go to think about there was like the emo kids that listen to like the metal music and they were like kind of like the outcasts is what we felt like and same with the theater kids and like the drama nerds.

Like I was part of the drama club growing up. I wasn't part of the sports club or the sports teams. And so I kind of and the theater kids kind of felt like outcasts. So I think there's like a that's where the crossover lies. It's like they both are communities that are like we feel different and we're like kind of on the outskirts of normie life. And so I think I think the rock community has embraced it. It's hard for me to be like, yes, I can't. I can't speak for everyone. But I think I think there's there's a lot of fans on both sides for sure.

[20:16] Eila Mell: Have your band members gone to any Broadway shows since they started doing this project?

[20:22] Matt Copley: I don't think so. I don't think so. I really need to get them to one. I mean, they're so they're all still in Michigan where we're from. So I and so their only chances are when something goes on tour. But when we when our band was on tour in New York, I remember I went to go see Six one time and on tour and I tried to get them to come come with me. But they wanted to stay in the hotel and sleep. And so I was like, all right, whatever. So I mean, hopefully someday they will. I can get them there. I'm confident I'll get them there soon.

[20:55] Eila Mell: Yeah. Now, do you think at some point you can collaborate with Green Day?

[21:01] Matt Copley: Oh, that'd be sick. Wouldn't that be great? That'd be amazing. Yeah, I mean, obviously their their show, American Idiot, was the biggest collaboration of like of my my time. I know Rent was like kind of a huge thing. But I mean, but for like a band collaborating with a Broadway show like. Right. That was the coolest ever in the world. So I think there is a relationship that I would love to explore there. I, you know, don't know anybody on their team, don't know how to reach out to them. But if by chance they see this podcast or they see my stuff online, like, please reach out. I would love to work together.

[21:39] Eila Mell: I mean, maybe your new representation can help facilitate that.

[21:42] Matt Copley: Yeah, they definitely can. That's that's a great point. I will have to talk to them. And, you know, maybe maybe when the show tours, we can, like, bring them on in California where they're from or something.

[21:54] Eila Mell: Yeah, or if they tour, you can open for them.

[21:57] Matt Copley: Wouldn't that be amazing? Dude, that would be that would change my life. That would that would be a life changing like opportunity for sure.

[22:05] Eila Mell: So let's put it out there.

[22:07] Matt Copley: Yeah, exactly. We'll put it out there. Because why not?

[22:12] Eila Mell: Yeah, yeah. Are there any are there any songs in the set list currently from American Idiot?

[22:18] Matt Copley: No, no, there are not.

[22:21] Eila Mell: But probably because it's kind of close to what you're already doing.

[22:25] Matt Copley: It's not a surprise to do their music. Is that part of the reason?

[22:29] Matt Copley: Yeah. Yeah, you're nailing it. That's exactly why is like the whole kind of like I don't want to call it a shtick, but the whole like thing I'm doing is like, well, I think what what makes my cover successful is like how different or how intensified my covers can be from the original. And so with American Idiot and even with like certain Rent songs, that's why I really haven't covered them because I'm like, they're already like doing what I would do. Right. They're not really. Yeah. Yeah, there's not much else for me to really play along. Like I can make them really heavy and I can scream over them. I can do but I don't really know if I'm going to be adding much to it.

[23:06] Eila Mell: Right.

[23:06] Matt Copley: It's not going to change the tone of it. Right. Yeah. Taking I could have danced all night and making it into, you know, that is, is the. Yeah, that's more that's more interesting. Yeah, that's more interesting to me too. And for other people to hear it like, oh, that's crazy. Instead of just like, oh, he's just covering. Because then it's just like a straight cover of a Green Day song. And it's like, that's cool. And that serves a purpose. But so, you know, you won't you won't hear American Idiot on my show. You won't hear Rent just because it's a little too similar to kind of what I'm doing. But right. But I love those shows with all my heart.

[23:38] Eila Mell: No, totally. I mean, you can make a case that Rent is punk, maybe not in the sound, but in the in the messaging.

[23:46] Matt Copley: Yeah, I will eventually cover Rent. I'm just like I said, it's like a little too close where I'm like, I have to really put some thought and effort into how I would make it my own and make it like uniquely mine and identifiable to me. So TBD, I'll explore that soon.

[24:06] Eila Mell: All right. We'll keep us in the loop on that.

[24:10] Matt Copley: Yeah, absolutely. When you pick your songs, is it important that they be songs that are hits that people know from shows or would you consider doing sort of like a lesser known song?

[24:20] Matt Copley: I'd consider doing any any that are really good fits. I mean, one song that's in the show right now is a brand new musical song played over in the UK. It's coming to Broadway, but it hasn't opened yet. That's all I'll say as far as hints go. But it's not really well known. Like it's it's new, brand new. So that but but the song fits so well. And when I started playing around with it, it was such a good rendition. So I'm so excited to do that. But yeah, I'm open to lesser known stuff. I think most of my stuff online that I post are more well known just to hopefully reach bigger audiences and a more wider appeal with my videos. But as the as the project progresses and moving forward, like I want to do it all. I want to do it all. So I'll be I'll be hitting a lot lesser known stuff, you know, as time goes on. But but as of now, it's mostly like stuff people are know, know and familiar with, at least them on board and introduce them to what I'm doing.

[25:19] Eila Mell: And if you're performing to to a house of theater lovers or theater kids, they know all those deep cuts. You don't have to worry about being too obscure. In fact, it's probably the way they want you to go as opposed to, you know, the song that they would expect.

[25:35] Matt Copley: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited when when the day comes where I can just like do all the niche, like funny little recordings. Like I remember in college, one of my favorite lesser known shows was Dogfight.

[25:48] Eila Mell: Yeah, so like so yeah, and that's not like a lot of people unless you're like a theater person, you probably don't know what that show is. You probably don't even know the movie.

[25:58] Matt Copley: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it's like stuff like that I'm excited to dig into. And hopefully, you know, it'd be nice to collaborate with some of these lesser known musicals to or, or, you know, smaller, smaller scale stuff to maybe bring eyes or bring a new life to their project to that as another facet of this, of what I'm doing. That could be explored, and I would love to, you know, partner with different writers or different teams to, yeah, just bring more awareness to their to their show.

[26:27] Eila Mell: Have you gotten any feedback from any of the artists who were the creators of the music that you're doing?

[26:33] Matt Copley: The Wicked Movie social media account reached out to me, it was like, we love your cover popular. So that was cool.

[26:41] Eila Mell: Very cool.

[26:41] Matt Copley: It was. But I mean, it wasn't Steve shorts, but I don't know, like, I don't I honestly don't think I've heard from any of like the the writers themselves, but hopefully soon.

[26:53] Eila Mell: Yeah, I would love to. I'm sure at least some of them are aware of what you're doing, which is so cool.

[26:59] Matt Copley: Yeah, yeah, it's I'm flattered. If they've even heard what I'm doing, because obviously everything I do is just because I'm a fan of their music and their work. So I hope I hope they're not offended by what I do.

[27:12] Eila Mell: No, no. Any bucket list roles now that you're entering into the musical theater world that any you've always wanted to tackle?

[27:20] Matt Copley: Oh, that's that's a great question. Does it apply to just stuff that's currently on Broadway? Or could it be like anything?

[27:26] Matt Copley: Anything, anything? Well, obviously, I want to play like Johnny in American Idiot sometime. Of course, that's like, that's that is the one that's got to be because it's so influential to me in my developmental stages. Like, I would it would be full circle for me to be to be in that show. I would love to play I mean, anything and rent, you know, like Roger and rent would be really fun one to do something like a little left traditional would be fun. Like Shakespeare and Ann Juliet would be fun. I think I'm open to whatever I just I just like singing and performing.

[27:57] Eila Mell: Yeah. Well, it's amazing what you're doing. Congratulations on all the success you've had. It's really, you know, I think it's the coolest thing is when you create your own space.

[28:08] Matt Copley: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you know, agreed. Huge congratulations to you.

[28:12] Eila Mell: Thank you.

[28:13] Matt Copley: Thank you. It has not been always easy or always the most enjoyable thing. And every day is like kind of an up and down. But it's very rewarding every time, you know, just having these conversations like we are thinking towards the show in October, it's everything's very, everything's paying off. And it's really cool to see the work happen.

[28:32] Eila Mell: How can people get tickets? Are they on sale now?

[28:34] Matt Copley: Yes, yes. So tickets are on sale now. You can either go to Abrams Arts Center's website. That's the venue, Abrams Arts Center. Or you can go to my social media. Matt is unwell. That's everywhere on Instagram, on TikTok. And the links in my bio have the direct links to the ticket site. So yeah, it's at their Playhouse Theater. It's October 2nd and 3rd. There's three shows over two nights on Friday at 8 p.m. And then on Saturday at 4.30 and 8 p.m. I'm really excited to show everybody what we've been making.

[29:07] Eila Mell: Yeah, well, we're so happy to support what you're doing. And thank you so much for being on our show.

[29:12] Matt Copley: Yes, thank you guys for having me. It's been it's been lovely. And we will see everyone next time on Behind the Awards.

[29:18] Eila Mell: Bye.