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[0:00] Bryan Plopkin: Hi, Brian here.

[0:01] Kevin Jaeger: Kevin here.

[0:03] Kimberly Cooper: Kimberly here.

[0:06] Bryan Plopkin: We know that you're stuck inside, like we are stuck inside. So what we've been doing is we've been doing some video chats with the three of us. And sometimes we have a special friend join us.

[0:19] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[0:20] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[0:20] Bryan Plopkin: So we are gonna be putting out some additional content for you guys to help you get through this quarantiney time. Um, so we are doing the same kind of Broadwaysted fun, focusing on a couple different things. Really, we're just kind of going through some old catalogs of things that we can watch since we desperately miss Broadway. So we're trying to find ways to bring more Broadway to you guys and to share with all of us. And we're really trying to watch things that you can access in your own homes through things like Disney Plus, Netflix, YouTube, Hulu.

[0:52] Kevin Jaeger: Let's name some other functions.

[0:55] Bryan Plopkin: Um, YouTube TV. Um, we're gonna watch Twitch stuff. That's fun.

[1:02] Kimberly Cooper: No, no, no, no, no.

[1:05] Bryan Plopkin: Um, but yeah, what we're gonna do is we're gonna actually put the videos, the full extended videos onto our Patreon account. So you can find that at patreon.com backslash Broadwaysted. Those are gonna be in our lowest tier if you wanted to see the full. But what we're also gonna do is we're gonna edit down that long, long episode into something a little bit more like a Broadwaysted episode for you here free on the podcast feed.

[1:33] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[1:34] Bryan Plopkin: So you'll be able to get that by going to anywhere you listen to podcasts. Uh, you're already listening to us now, so you've already found it. But um, gotcha. You can continue to find it on iTunes on Spotify.

[1:44] Kimberly Cooper: Well, on that note, thank you so much for listening to us. We always appreciate it. You can find us on Patreon, you can find us right here, but now for your regularly scheduled Broadwaysted.

[1:53] Kevin Jaeger: Woo-hoo, that's us.

[1:54] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[2:01] Bryan Plopkin: Did you bring wine?

[2:02] Kevin Jaeger: I got the glasses.

[2:03] Kimberly Cooper: You guys, I made a quiz.

[2:05] Bryan Plopkin: I didn't bring anything, but I'm here to have a bunch.

[2:17] Bryan Plopkin: Hello, and welcome to the official Broadwaysted podcast where we're drunk on theater. I'm your host, Brian Plopkin. We're the nicest kids in town. Welcome to the 60s, because there's no place like London. I can't take my eyes off of you because without love, those silhouettes put you in a trance by the sea, poor thing. It may take a little priest for me to cry, but I know where I've been, and I'm working my way back to you, babe, for the contest. I've had an epiphany, and it's about who loves you in December 1963. Oh, what a night. I saw Greenfield and Epard, but I can hear the bells, and it takes two to wait for pretty women in the final scene. Run and tell that.

[3:07] Kevin Jaeger: I thought I was gonna be walk like a man, Jaeger, so I was glad.

[3:12] Bryan Plopkin: Kimberly, our ladies' choice game master and unofficial babysitter for the year.

[3:18] Kimberly Cooper: I love that song.

[3:19] Bryan Plopkin: It was really good. Talk about like a good song that fits into the show that was written for something different than the show.

[3:25] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[3:26] Bryan Plopkin: And then with us today is somebody who was in the Hairspray movie, and somebody we just can't shake out of our podcast. Let's give a big Broadwaysted welcome to friends of the show, Hayley, justice for Tammy, Podschun.

[3:38] Bryan Plopkin: Joining us today are the usual big blonde and beautiful my friends who can't stop the beat while they walk like a man, including Kevin, I'm in the mood for love, Jaeger.

[3:45] Kevin Jaeger: And Aaron J, justice for Cats, Albano.

[3:50] Aaron J Albano: Meow.

[3:51] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah. Welcome again. Aaron, you have to sneak in meow into everything you say for the rest of the podcast. Welcome again to Movie Night. Our topic this week is movies that have won Best Musical at the Tonys that were adapted into movie musicals. Um, again, we only chose from what was streaming so that you didn't have to buy anything except for Hairspray was removed April 1st. So sorry, everybody.

[4:25] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, exactly. We're trying to we did it on purpose to help Hayley out.

[4:30] Bryan Plopkin: Um, but yeah, let's I think we're gonna talk Jersey Boys first, then we'll do a little bit of Hairspray, and then we'll talk Sweeney.

[4:37] Kimberly Cooper: Um, that is not that is not is that in backwards like the order?

[4:43] Kevin Jaeger: No, so they so Sweeney and Hairspray came out in 2007, Hairspray was a summer movie, Sweeney was the Christmas movie, because obviously that's what you want to go see during Christmas. Um, and then Jersey Boys was 2014.

[5:01] Bryan Plopkin: So I'm going in order of the actual way we want to talk about conversation.

[5:09] Kimberly Cooper: I mean, but when are we talking about Cats?

[5:11] Bryan Plopkin: Because Cats was oh, right, right. We'll get there. Um, for the record, it was the Best Musical winner in 1983.

[5:20] Kevin Jaeger: Thanks, Brian.

[5:21] Bryan Plopkin: Well, actually, we're talking in rever in most recent Tony winner to oldest Tony winner. That's why.

[5:27] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, that's why I chose it.

[5:28] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah. There you go.

[5:32] Bryan Plopkin: Jersey Boys won in 2006. Hairspray won in 2003. Yep. And then Sweeney Todd won in 1979. Uh, sorry, that was so loud.

[5:50] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, 79.

[5:52] Bryan Plopkin: The 33rd Tony Awards. Um, so let's let's go, let's dive right into. Let's just start with Jersey Boys. Um, who here has seen the stage show and who here had seen the movie previously?

[6:08] Hayley Podschun: So, um, uh, Hayley. What did you what did you see?

[6:12] Hayley Podschun: I like the thumbs up, Kimberly. Um, I saw I actually won, I think like a student rush ticket to see Jersey Boys on Broadway. I only saw it once. I sat front row all the way house right, like underneath the staircase. So I had a limited view, but I loved it. And then I saw the movie when it came out because I had just done Chaplin with Renee Marino.

[6:38] Bryan Plopkin: Oh, sure.

[6:39] Hayley Podschun: Uh, his wife. I should know the character names and I don't. Because they're uh, um, he plays his wife and well maybe if they were more charming, you would.

[6:51] Bryan Plopkin: I don't know.

[6:52] Hayley Podschun: And I loved it, like I had so much fun. Um, Kimberly, you so you had seen only the stage show?

[7:03] Kimberly Cooper: Yes, I saw it like my first week of freshman year in college on like my school had a bus that would take us to the city, and they got us all student prize tickets. Kevin, you probably have worked with whoever does it now.

[7:15] Kevin Jaeger: I probably.

[7:15] Kimberly Cooper: And it was my one of my best friend Trent's first Broadway show because we had just gotten to school and he was from Alaska and so I didn't country from Alaska to New York about New Jersey. We went to or we sat in the second to last row in the balcony the last row was taken up with a bunch of housewives who sang the entire show right, um, but it was a blast I had so much fun and you had never seen the movie previous to this conversation.

[7:34] Kevin Jaeger: Okay, cool.

[7:34] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, um, I've never seen the move I'm now I've seen the movie I haven't seen the stage play gosh see this is this is my this is my downfall as a theater person or because I grew up around here I truly truly truly if I don't see it within the first couple of months that it's out I probably won't see it like it took like because to me it's always going to quote be there which is so like I never saw Mamma Mia.

[8:28] Kimberly Cooper: The show I'm talking about the show I never saw the same way I was the same way I didn't I saw I Jersey Boys was that show that was like oh that's gonna be around I'll see it when I see it.

[8:38] Bryan Plopkin: We talking about the show or are we talking about the movie?

[8:38] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, I've never seen it in a while though we'll be still off Broadway.

[8:42] Kimberly Cooper: Right I definitely plan on that's one of the first things I want to see um once everything comes.

[8:48] Bryan Plopkin: It's really good. Did they is it just like a direct transfer? Like did they change anything? Do we even know?

[8:51] Kevin Jaeger: I have no idea.

[8:54] Bryan Plopkin: No, I don't think they did.

[8:55] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, because I because I saw it like pretty much after they announced closing, because I was like, all right, I've said this for this long. Now I need to go see it because now I need to put my money where my mouth is. I went to I finally went to go see the August Wilson. I had never seen the movie. Um and I yeah, I like like I really liked it. I saw because I also went to go see because I think I also went to go see John Hacker as Frankie Valli, because he had just posted online that he was on, and I was like, oh, let's go support another newsie and go see Jersey Boys because I haven't yet.

[9:28] Kevin Jaeger: So Kevin.

[9:31] Kevin Jaeger: Uh I have never seen the show. To be honest, I didn't really know who Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons were. Like I know some of the songs, like when I heard it. Why are we all surprised? This is like Kevin's opening line to everything.

[9:46] Kevin Jaeger: I like new when I heard the songs, I was like, Oh, okay, Sherry Baby. Like, I know this song and stuff, but like if you had just said, what do Frankie Valli in the Four Seasons sing? I would have said my girl. Like, I don't I don't know. Like, I would take that.

[10:00] Bryan Plopkin: I've actually met Frankie Valli.

[10:03] Kevin Jaeger: Why?

[10:04] Bryan Plopkin: So every year, like he was growing up in the mob world.

[10:08] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[10:10] Bryan Plopkin: He tried to put a giant refrigerator in a car, and that's happening.

[10:14] Kevin Jaeger: What no, it was a safe. Wasn't it a safe?

[10:17] Bryan Plopkin: Oh, I thought there was stealing a refrigerator.

[10:24] Kevin Jaeger: Full of what?

[10:25] Bryan Plopkin: I don’t know, like, they're stealing the refrigerator full of food.

[10:37] Kevin Jaeger: I want to go back and watch that scene picturing the refrigerator.

[10:41] Bryan Plopkin: I will not be re-watching that film.

[10:43] Kevin Jaeger: But is that how they put people on ice?

[10:46] Bryan Plopkin: Like, is that how?

[10:48] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah, swimming with the fishes.

[10:49] Bryan Plopkin: Oh, okay.

[10:50] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my god.

[10:51] Bryan Plopkin: So let's go around. Just thoughts on again. I do want to preface all of this. Each one of the movies that we talk about. Um, that we all know that these musicals are great, regardless if we've seen them or not. We recognize the quality of the musicals. They all won the Tony. And even if they didn't win the Tony, like they were still one of the four or five nominated in the year that they were. Obviously, they won, but you know what I'm saying. Um, so we're only discussing them solely as film properties, not as the musical stage musicals. So we're just gonna be commenting on the film adaptation. So this is your favorite musical. Like, we already love all three of these shows, so we don't, so we're not even gonna like talk about that stuff, just the movies.

[11:33] Kevin Jaeger: So with that being said, who would like to start with their high-level thoughts of the film?

[11:40] Hayley Podschun: Um, I'll go.

[11:41] Hayley Podschun: Okay. I will say, because I had never seen this movie before, and I don't remember. I mean, because I didn't see Jersey Boys the show at its height, I didn't have as many sort of like high expectations for the film.

[11:58] Hayley Podschun: Sure. Um, it was it was question there, there were questionable moments, but I will say the one the one thing that I did take out that was that I was like, oh okay, was I thought John Lloyd Young was fantastic, and that's what I was like, I this is when I was like, okay, now I understand why he won the Tony for this because I remember watching the show in different iterations of like clips from clips from YouTube and whatever, whatever, whatever, and being like, I mean, Frankie's cool, but it's like a Tony Award-winning role, and then watching John Lloyd Young do it in the movie, despite the like questionable like medium that it was in, his work in that role I thought was really, really great.

[12:47] Hayley Podschun: Sure. I think the biggest thing to take away from this movie for me was that it felt like the screenwriters saw that like the musical with its script, like with its book that was like very geared to be a stage musical worked, and instead of developing it for a different medium, they were like, let's just do what this is on a screen. There were a lot of like music, and I don't mean this in a bad way, but there are a lot of musical theater tropes that like do not read on screen at all.

[13:18] Hayley Podschun: Oh, for like certain short scenes where you very quickly introduce like a character trait very fast just so that people know like we accept that in musicals because we get like how the structure. But in a film, it doesn't make sense to suddenly like throw a like three-line scene between a song to like get this character to be bad, or get them to be like an alcoholic or get them to be like we're very quick in musicals, but like, yep, all right, got it. You can sing me a new song now. In movies, it's hard to feel that pacing. So, like those were really jar like jarring, and like the talking to the this camera was very jarring because like narrating to an audience feels very natural on stage, but like all of those narration segments felt so jarring and like out of place that it felt like it was like at any time somebody could like be like ready to do something bad and then be like, Well, actually, what I was thinking was, and like it takes away the dramatic tension of anything.

[14:14] Bryan Plopkin: I think that occasionally like it worked in that like one part where they were doing a performance and then he turns to the camera like still dancing because that's kind of oh when you remember back to see his experience yeah yeah yeah um but when it was just like um Eric Bergen alone in a hallway just like if Tommy was good for one thing it was running a party yeah like okay I think that I think that Kimberly you're a hundred percent right in that it sometimes worked and sometimes didn't work because they never leaned all the way into it because I think the problem with this movie it's not the screenplay I think the problem with this movie is that it's the wrong director Clint Eastwood wanted to make a gangster movie about the the Vanky Valley that happened to have Frankie Valley songs in it and you could tell they're like trying to erase the musical aspects of it like but they didn't erase the script so there were these like dumb musical theater yuck yuck jokes and you can't direct that Renee Marino just like delivered yeah and I was like that's a laugh line.

[15:19] Kevin Jaeger: Like she not she like the that movie is I you you don't know if it's a bad musical biopic or if it's a boring charmless gangster movie.

[15:29] Bryan Plopkin: Like you it's it's just it's both of them because it's well as it and it's very it's shot very like there's no color they're hoping that it's gonna be it's very shot in a very Oscar worthy way.

[15:41] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah it was very grayscale I was very shocked for that the 60s weren't that color like that's that's how we imagine the 60s in in in prestige films.

[15:53] Kevin Jaeger: But like even Goodfellas isn't dark.

[15:55] Bryan Plopkin: Not that that's you but like there are lots of movies that just have pop with color.

[15:59] Kimberly Cooper: It felt like he was trying to force it to be in the 30s.

[16:02] Hayley Podschun: Right.

[16:03] Bryan Plopkin: So that it worked better for his idea of what the movie should be.

[16:06] Hayley Podschun: Oh, yeah.

[16:09] Bryan Plopkin: Because I'm the idiot who like doesn't know any of this music. I was like, oh, this was good music for like the 30s and 40s, and then like they kept referencing the 60s, and I was like, oh, this was the 60s. This doesn't look like the 60s.

[16:18] Hayley Podschun: I'm like waiting for like it felt more like it was like a guys and dolls kind of like ah, it was like 1929, and we're all do you think the guys and dolls was in 1929?

[16:32] Kevin Jaeger: Wasn't it in the 50s?

[16:34] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, yeah.

[16:35] Bryan Plopkin: I just felt like I meant like the actual guys and dolls kind of I don't I don't know. My mom, my mom saw a version of it that they did on tour where it was all like I mean, I think it was the Nathan Lane version, they were all in zoot suits and stuff.

[16:47] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, which was very like 20s and 30s to be in zoot suits, right?

[16:51] Kevin Jaeger: 40s, 40s.

[16:53] Hayley Podschun: Okay, so I don't know time period. It felt like this was in the wrong time period.

[16:58] Bryan Plopkin: Haley, as someone who has seen the stage production, um what did you think of in terms of the adaptation overall?

[17:07] Hayley Podschun: Well, I really liked the adaptation because to me, at least when I saw it the first time, I did see it in theaters, and of course I was going to you know see a friend like be this huge role in this amazing movie, and um I really liked that it felt more cinematic than a musical version of Jersey Boys, like I felt like it was more of a story about these four guys with who just happened to be musical.

[17:39] Hayley Podschun: Like I I walked away from it not thinking, oh, I just saw the musical on screen. I walked away from it being oh, this story of these four dudes who made music.

[17:52] Bryan Plopkin: Do you think that the movie would have benefited from being told linearly and cutting the point of views because they kind of they didn't go all in on it?

[18:02] Hayley Podschun: I don't know. The point of views randomly didn't bother me, and maybe it's because that's how it is in the musical. But I only saw the musical once, and I love the music.

[18:13] Kevin Jaeger: Like no Jersey Boys, not once.

[18:18] Hayley Podschun: The delay in laughter makes me so nervous.

[18:28] Bryan Plopkin: Um it's not like I know Jersey Boys, the musical like backwards and forwards, but I did remember when I saw the movie, I was like, oh, right, they do talk to your audience. And I it didn't bother me that they did that.

[18:44] Hayley Podschun: I mean, after a while, I wish that they would have maybe chosen one person to speak to the camera the whole time, but it really didn't bother me at all. I kind of liked it.

[18:54] Bryan Plopkin: Well, because also the like the because the remind me if I'm wrong, because the musical, the narrator, the musical, the narrators are split up in seasons, right? Like, because the whole thing is like this section is like fall, this section is winter, and like winter, because to go with the water.

[19:17] Aaron J Albano: That's great. I want to see that.

[19:19] Bryan Plopkin: Is that what you're saying?

[19:21] Aaron J Albano: When when fall turns into winter, that's when like Yeah, that's what happens.

[19:26] Hayley Podschun: Bob Gaglio starts talking, and then when winter that's wonderful.

[19:30] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah. And they didn't carry that over into the movie, which was weird. The whole concept is that it's looked four seasons.

[19:39] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, and they all have a di like they all associate each other with one of those seasons based on their personality.

[19:44] Aaron J Albano: Like Tommy is maybe more of a winter.

[19:47] Hayley Podschun: Oh, that's insane. I've never heard that analogy.

[19:51] Bryan Plopkin: Wait, but don't they like don't they like post it in on like the backdrop of the show?

[19:55] Aaron J Albano: I think you're right.

[19:57] Hayley Podschun: Yeah. I don't know. I had a limited view when I saw it.

[20:04] Bryan Plopkin: That is the one convention that I was like, oh, they're I guess they're not doing that in this movie.

[20:08] Kimberly Cooper: Okay. That's one movie would have made it.

[20:10] Aaron J Albano: If you are right, which I'm sure you are, my mind is blown forever.

[20:14] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah. This just became the most intelligent musical I've ever heard of in my life.

[20:18] Hayley Podschun: I mean the music well, because I was also like the smartest one in legally blonde.

[20:22] Bryan Plopkin: Okay.

[20:23] Hayley Podschun: The seasons by like singing the songs so you know how long she's been studying. It's like that kind of brilliant.

[20:28] Aaron J Albano: Yes.

[20:29] Hayley Podschun: Okay, so I'm reading the Wikipedia for the stage musical now. And synopsis of it is broken down into act one and act two, obviously, but then act one and act two are broken down into spring, summer, act two is fall, winter, and then there's the finale.

[20:45] Aaron J Albano: So act one is spring and that's Tommy. Act act one is part two is summer and that's Bob. Act three is Nick, and then in winter, the end, that's when Frankie takes off.

[20:57] Hayley Podschun: Frankie starts talking, yeah and talks about like the big moment of can't take my eyes off you. That the movie does really that's a very exciting scene, I would say.

[21:04] Bryan Plopkin: Oh, I hate it.

[21:04] Hayley Podschun: I will say I I feel like from like Oh, this is so good job, Aaron. Thank you for remembering cracked that one over the show.

[21:13] Aaron J Albano: That's all I did.

[21:14] Bryan Plopkin: Wow. I remember like I feel like in the movie, I feel like the like the council meeting, for lack of a better word, like in the in Christopher Watkins living room or whatever. I feel like that's where the movie gets going, and then it's good to the end.

[21:30] Kevin Jaeger: But I disagree.

[21:32] Bryan Plopkin: That's too long.

[21:32] Kevin Jaeger: I liked it from the beginning.

[21:34] Bryan Plopkin: Okay.

[21:41] Hayley Podschun: Jay and I were watching it this morning, and he's just in like a sad ballroom singing this song at the end. And I was like, no, in the show, he puts on the Razzle Dazzle jacket, and then there's the horns, and you cry.

[21:53] Kimberly Cooper: Uh-huh.

[21:53] Hayley Podschun: And this was just like, I guess he has a horn section now.

[21:57] Bryan Plopkin: And Bob Gottio has a goatee.

[22:04] Kevin Jaeger: I will say my favorite, like I will say this is a perfect example about how even whatever you think about the movie, if you got a strong finale, that Who Loves You is every time, because I because of course after I like watched these movies, I deep dove into YouTube to watch like clips from the stage show.

[22:25] Hayley Podschun: Sure.

[22:25] Kevin Jaeger: And like that, every time he just gives that speech, and then like the drums just start to get into Who Loves You.

[22:35] Hayley Podschun: Crystal every single time.

[22:38] Bryan Plopkin: It's interesting because I did the very end. When they're old, they're old and then they like renew. They like go back to the rest of it.

[22:48] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[22:50] Bryan Plopkin: After that. When they like it. Because we know what they did. This is what I have written down. Bob Gaudio's red shoes moment.

[22:58] Hayley Podschun: I don't know the red shoes.

[23:00] Bryan Plopkin: I don't get the red shoes.

[23:03] Kevin Jaeger: And he's like, I don't know the old neighborhood. I don't really care about the old neighborhood. I don't give a F about the old neighborhood. And I was like, you are not. Just bow.

[23:14] Hayley Podschun: But like when that song kicks in, I I like it just. It gives me moments every time.

[23:19] Bryan Plopkin: So good. But also, there's a great example of it being a strong finale, and how awkward that final, like his whole life montage sequence is on the dancing in the street.

[23:31] Kimberly Cooper: It's just not well, it's but it's directed by someone who doesn't understand.

[23:34] Bryan Plopkin: No, Kimberly, get out of here.

[23:38] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, it was so poorly directed.

[23:40] Bryan Plopkin: And that awkward hold at the end. It was like a oh god, the whole I didn't get to the end.

[23:45] Kevin Jaeger: The hold is the worst.

[23:47] Bryan Plopkin: Why are they like blinking?

[23:48] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, it's terrible.

[23:51] Bryan Plopkin: At least if they're gonna hold, they need to be like more that.

[23:57] Hayley Podschun: Oh yeah. In the musical, how does because I Clinici should have just made a biopic that happened to have the movies and not adapted the actual musical? But how in the musical musical, do they put on old age makeup and then like rip it off? Or are they just like pretending to be old?

[24:13] Aaron J Albano: I don't think so. I think they just no, I think they just put on colorful jackets or something.

[24:18] Hayley Podschun: I think you just understand that time has passed.

[24:20] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah, yeah.

[24:21] Kimberly Cooper: They could they're coming.

[24:22] Aaron J Albano: That was like Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 2 level of old age makeup.

[24:26] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah, special.

[24:29] Hayley Podschun: Do the women have more towels and close-up.

[24:32] Bryan Plopkin: Do the women have more to do in this stage show?

[24:35] Hayley Podschun: No, not at all.

[24:36] Bryan Plopkin: Well, kind of.

[24:39] Hayley Podschun: They are other also other women.

[24:41] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah, they're other women, and really there's only what three of them.

[24:44] Hayley Podschun: And they play all of the women.

[24:46] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah.

[24:46] Hayley Podschun: So they are really busy because they're constantly like I look at it from a perspective of what are they doing backstage as well as on stage?

[24:53] Bryan Plopkin: Oh, sure, yeah.

[24:56] Hayley Podschun: The characters are not. Yeah. It just it just seemed like some of the female characters were drawn a little one-dimensionally.

[25:04] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah, that's correct.

[25:05] Hayley Podschun: And like women were kind of like put into this show to like bring out something about the men's character instead of like to actually be a full-fleshed character.

[25:15] Bryan Plopkin: Oh, you mean how men write women?

[25:20] Hayley Podschun: There you go.

[25:22] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah, it just seemed a little like there are those moments were all support. I mean, especially in these type of movies or musicals about like, you know, uh whether it be rock stars or whether it'd be about this type of a rock star, or whether it also be about like gangster movies, all female roles are supporting roles in gangster movies. Sometimes you get really chunky um uh roles, like well, like like meaty roles, as I should say, like Lorraine Bracco in um Goodfellas or something like that, or like or even um Edie Falco and The Sopranos, but there's still a supporting yeah, yeah.

[26:01] Hayley Podschun: I mean, really the more controlled is such a man world anyway. So I don't think they really take offense to have it, but right, but yeah, sure.

[26:12] Bryan Plopkin: I just think that they had like a bunch of songs and like character development that was cut from for the movie.

[26:17] Kevin Jaeger: No, they literally have like my boyfriend's back. That's like their only song in the show.

[26:20] Hayley Podschun: Sure.

[26:22] Kevin Jaeger: If I remember it correctly.

[26:24] Hayley Podschun: That sounds right. Um and I remember thinking it was weird because every time they came back on I was like, it's the same woman that's his wife. Why doesn't he recognize like it was one of the small stories like I get that she was playing multiple people but like she's his wife. Shouldn't that be her role?

[26:39] Bryan Plopkin: I just I wanted his wife I desperately wanted his wife to have like a days and days and days from Fun Home and this is what I've dealt with with this man.

[26:52] Hayley Podschun: Like I really wanted her to have something to like not just make her like oh well mommy's drink we drink like do you think that his mommy's medicine yeah do you think that the daughter plot line at the end was kind of shoehorned in to make him feel something or to get that character from a certain point to a certain point. You think it was natural what are your thoughts on that?

[27:11] Aaron J Albano: I mean it was it's the motivation for can't take my eyes off of you isn't it I mean I don't know if that's that I don't think that's actually true.

[27:21] Hayley Podschun: I I mean again I went to like IMDb and I can't remember exactly but from what was on IMDB trivia page that's not right which stinks but I think also his stepdaughter this isn't this isn't accurate actually his stepdaughter who they don't talk about in the movie or the film died six months before this daughter yeah I I went into a deep dive on on Frankie Valley too. She had two daughters die. She is so sad.

[27:55] Bryan Plopkin: So I guess in that case yeah and it feels too hard I didn't hate my time watching this movie. I thought it was a decent movie. I had a good time. I thought the music was fun and it was fun to be like, oh, he sings that. Oh, they sing that?

[28:08] Bryan Plopkin: Like I had a good little like sure refresh my memory real revelation for Kevin. I watched it over the course of three days in chunks. It was tough. It was tough for me to go through. I watched it over. And it never ended. You're still watching it. At the end, Just was standing up going, Why won't this movie end?

[28:29] Kevin Jaeger: And you stopped it before the freeze.

[28:31] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah, I did. I used to go back and just watch the freeze. So on I really liked it. So on Rotten Tomatoes, there's a 51%. Um the critical consensus is Jersey Boys is neither as inventive nor as energetic as it could be, but there's no denying the powerful pleasures of its musical moments.

[28:51] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[28:52] Bryan Plopkin: And then I thought this is the one quote that I wanted to pull. I thought this actually does a really good job of summing it up. It's Richard Roper. Um one of his quotes is it the film captures the electric excitement of the musical, but for every soaring moment, there are 10 minutes of bickering or brooding.

[29:08] Aaron J Albano: I buy that.

[29:09] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[29:11] Bryan Plopkin: Like the moments when they're playing the music and singing the songs because they're inherently good songs, they're all I'm so happy they cast actual singers and things like that. Because that absolutely pulls the movie out of unwatchable and boring to these guys are great.

[29:27] Aaron J Albano: Well, and you're also watching them. I mean, we watch them as like people we know, but everyone else, these are just random people, and it's so nice to watch a movie where you're not watching movie stars being someone else.

[29:43] Hayley Podschun: Yes, yeah.

[29:44] Bryan Plopkin: Unlike the other two films we'll be reviewing today.

[29:49] Hayley Podschun: When Hayley Pachoon, the movie star had to pretend to be.

[29:53] Bryan Plopkin: Before we slide into uh hairspray's DMs, does anybody have any final thoughts? What they really enjoyed from this, or any final thoughts on Jersey Boys?

[30:04] Aaron J Albano: Frankie Down had a lot of hits.

[30:07] Hayley Podschun: So many.

[30:12] Bryan Plopkin: When you said that text, I was like, yes, I'm so glad you agree. That scene where he's in the towel and like blowing his nose in the other towel. I was like, he's trash, but talk me to video to get it.

[30:24] Aaron J Albano: Yes.

[30:25] Hayley Podschun: Him using those towels made me just as upset as Nick. When Nick spoke up about the towels, I was like, I fully understand where you're coming from.

[30:34] Bryan Plopkin: Oh no, I agree with Aaron. I was like, oh yeah, you show that towel who's boss. Like when I saw the pile, that's when I turned on him.

[30:42] Aaron J Albano: But before that, sure, I was into it.

[30:46] Bryan Plopkin: Cool. Should we talk hairspray?

[30:49] Hayley Podschun: Before we should we talk about um our cocktails?

[30:54] Bryan Plopkin: What are you drinking?

[30:58] Hayley Podschun: Uh Hayley and Kimberly have the coolest one, so you ladies go first.

[31:02] Kimberly Cooper: Well, I need to go make another one, but it will be way too loud. Um, maybe I could mute myself.

[31:08] Hayley Podschun: I made a frozen You can't leave during the hairspray portion. I made a frozen mango margarita.

[31:16] Kimberly Cooper: Ooh, which um inspired Kimberly's drink, a frozen blood orange margarita.

[31:24] Hayley Podschun: Oh that I also might need to make more.

[31:28] Aaron J Albano: And then AA Ron.

[31:30] Hayley Podschun: I have wine.

[31:32] Bryan Plopkin: What kind?

[31:32] Aaron J Albano: What kind of thing?

[31:33] Hayley Podschun: Um, it is a Jackson Driggs, which I think is a Canadian thing. Um a Shiraz Cabernet blend.

[31:42] Bryan Plopkin: Oh, nice.

[31:43] Aaron J Albano: I'm drinking the Merlova over here from Columbia Crest Merlot, and it's delicious.

[31:48] Hayley Podschun: And I'm just drinking a blue moon.

[31:51] Bryan Plopkin: I was in the moon.

[31:53] Kevin Jaeger: You guys need to invest in boxed wine. It'll help your wallets.

[31:55] Hayley Podschun: I love a box.

[31:59] Aaron J Albano: Bona box.

[32:01] Hayley Podschun: So good.

[32:02] Bryan Plopkin: All my mother-in-law drinks.

[32:03] Aaron J Albano: Fip it, tip it.

[32:06] Bryan Plopkin: So should we talk hairspray?

[32:08] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[32:11] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, I'll I'll you guys can follow me into my kitchen and I will listen, but I'm gonna mute so you don't hear my um neutral bullet.

[32:20] Bryan Plopkin: Sure. Um right, so hairspray 2007 film uh directed by Adam Shankman. Um adaptation of the musical of the same name.

[32:29] Hayley Podschun: And Kimberly.

[32:35] Bryan Plopkin: Haley, you were in both the actual stage show and the musical.

[32:40] Hayley Podschun: I was in everything possible. Like I did the tour first, then I went right into the movie, right into Broadway, and then I did a regional production of it after.

[32:49] Bryan Plopkin: Oh, really? Did you do you do live too?

[32:52] Hayley Podschun: Did you do Hairspray Live?

[32:53] Bryan Plopkin: Nope, didn't do live.

[32:54] Hayley Podschun: Oh, okay. I was like were you Amber in the regional production?

[32:59] Bryan Plopkin: No, I was Penny.

[33:01] Hayley Podschun: Ah nice.

[33:03] Bryan Plopkin: So I on the road, I was Tam, I was Tammy throughout my entire hairspray career on the road, the movie and Broadway, and I covered Penny and Amber, and then I closed the tour playing Penny, which was when I booked the movie.

[33:19] Hayley Podschun: We were in LA, and we uh I had my audition there, and then they came to see the show that night, and I found out the next morning that I got it.

[33:28] Bryan Plopkin: Um, then I had like I think maybe a week between the those two jobs, and then we filmed in Toronto, and we were there for six months.

[33:40] Aaron J Albano: Wow.

[33:41] Hayley Podschun: And I found out on my very first day on set, our very first day of filming, uh, I got a call from Broadway casting saying, are you available? We want you to join the Broadway company.

[33:52] Bryan Plopkin: And I said, I'm filming the movie, so I can come after.

[33:55] Hayley Podschun: They were like, Great. So I think I finished filming like December 1st or 2nd, and I moved to New York the next day, and then I started rehearsals for Broadway, and then did Broadway.

[34:10] Bryan Plopkin: Sorry? Were you in the Broadway show before Christmas?

[34:13] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[34:14] Bryan Plopkin: Wow, that's a that's a turnaround, man.

[34:17] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[34:17] Aaron J Albano: I think it's a lot of ponying for lots of years, and like smiling, smiling, and then not to like keep transitioning, but my next show was Sunday in the Park with George, and I was so excited to not smile or dance.

[34:33] Bryan Plopkin: Literally the opposite, standing still.

[34:38] Hayley Podschun: I have a good story about that.

[34:39] Bryan Plopkin: So cool. Um, so let's uh let's let's just go around. Uh we'll do the same thing we did last time, but this time we'll add one more thing to it. Um uh just quickly, if you had seen the stage production, if you had seen the movie before and thoughts just high-level thoughts on the movie.

[34:55] Kimberly Cooper: High level, high level, high-level thoughts on the hairspray film.

[35:01] Um sticking with it, you can make fun of me all you want. I think that's a great phrase. I saw hairspray on tour first, I think.

[35:15] And then I saw it on Broadway with Lance Bassis, Corney Collins, and Ashley.

[35:21] Hayley Podschun: I did.

[35:21] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[35:22] Hayley Podschun: And Ashley Parker Angel is late.

[35:24] Kimberly Cooper: Yes!

[35:25] Bryan Plopkin: I saw it Leon Broadway.

[35:29] Kimberly Cooper: Um yeah, I forgot when.

[35:32] Aaron J Albano: In college at some point.

[35:33] Kimberly Cooper: And then, oh no, no, no. I saw it on Broadway first and then on tour, like years later.

[35:41] Bryan Plopkin: So it's probably a non act tour through Philadelphia.

[35:44] Hayley Podschun: Oh yeah.

[35:45] Kimberly Cooper: Because I closed the tour, and that would have been in oh god.

[35:49] Aaron J Albano: Oh seven?

[35:50] Kimberly Cooper: Oh six?

[35:52] Bryan Plopkin: Oh yeah.

[35:52] Kimberly Cooper: Then I saw like non equity something in like 2012.

[35:58] Aaron J Albano: Um, and then I saw the movie in theaters, I think.

[36:02] Kimberly Cooper: Because I saw every musical movie in theaters, and it was so much fun.

[36:05] Aaron J Albano: And I haven't seen it again until today.

[36:10] Kimberly Cooper: And it was right after Jersey Boys, and I was like, this is a musical.

[36:16] Aaron J Albano: And I forgot how good it was.

[36:17] Kimberly Cooper: What are my high level thoughts?

[36:20] No, that's good.

[36:20] Bryan Plopkin: We'll get into the everything else's details.

[36:22] Kimberly Cooper: That was high level.

[36:23] Bryan Plopkin: That was highly level. Liked it.

[36:26] Kimberly Cooper: My only detail is that I cry every time.

[36:28] Aaron J Albano: And I'm Tracy in her first.

[36:31] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, it's so sweet.

[36:33] Bryan Plopkin: Good moment.

[36:34] Hayley Podschun: And Nikki Blonsky follows me on uh TikTok.

[36:37] Kimberly Cooper: So there we go.

[36:38] Bryan Plopkin: You nailed it.

[36:41] Bryan Plopkin: What do you think?

[36:42] Aaron J Albano: Uh I saw so I saw Hairspray.

[36:47] Aaron J Albano: Uh the first time I saw it was the original company in in New York.

[36:51] Um, and it was it was the show that I like to say jokingly but not jokingly. It's the show that taught me about type because it's the show that I was watching from Standing Room and it was blowing my mind and I loved it so much that during the finale I was like I love this show so much I will never do this show ever and it like was like a sad realization that someone who looks like me will never be in that show.

[37:23] Kimberly Cooper: That's how I feel about Miss Saigon.

[37:25] Aaron J Albano: I'll never be Kim.

[37:26] Kimberly Cooper: Oh yep, there you go.

[37:29] Aaron J Albano: She shows the teachers who we are and what we can't do.

[37:33] Bryan Plopkin: Um that's what that's when I saw the Broadway show.

[37:37] Aaron J Albano: I saw actually I saw the tour like three years later, and that's where I met Hayley because I saw one of my college friends, Jackie Polk, was a swing on the tour, and they were coming through I think San Francisco, and I was doing spelling bee at the time.

[37:51] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[37:52] Aaron J Albano: And so I went to go see all of them do the show.

[37:56] Bryan Plopkin: And I went to go see my friend.

[37:58] Aaron J Albano: I think my friend, I think Jackie was playing Brenda, and Hayley was playing Tammy.

[38:02] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[38:02] Aaron J Albano: And so oh, were you Tammy or were you?

[38:05] Hayley Podschun: In San Francisco.

[38:06] Aaron J Albano: So what happened was the last six weeks of the tour, Casey.

[38:09] Hayley Podschun: I replaced Casey Levy.

[38:11] Aaron J Albano: Casey was Tammy, and they bumped Casey up to Penny when I joined the road.

[38:16] Hayley Podschun: So but the last six weeks of the road, they had bumped Casey to Broadway.

[38:20] Aaron J Albano: So they needed a penny to cover the last six weeks.

[38:24] Hayley Podschun: So me and the other understudy Melissa, we literally did a coin flip of who gets what weeks, and I won LA.

[38:34] Aaron J Albano: Like poor Melissa, just me 19 years old, and I'm like, ah, so that's where I met Hayley, and then I think I watched, I don't think I watched the movie in the theater, sadly.

[38:49] Bryan Plopkin: I think the first time I saw a part of the movie was at like musical Mondays, watching like Nikki Blonsky do the opening number and being like, she's really amazing.

[39:02] Aaron J Albano: Is this movie really great? I need to go watch this movie now.

[39:04] Kimberly Cooper: And I think I listed it, and I like loved it.

[39:08] Aaron J Albano: It's so good.

[39:09] Bryan Plopkin: It's really good.

[39:11] Aaron J Albano: I do want to ask you like detailed questions about the changes though, but we'll go on and do that.

[39:16] Kevin Jaeger: Okay, I saw when this movie came out, 2012.

[39:21] Aaron J Albano: Seven.

[39:26] Kevin Jaeger: The 1940s.

[39:28] Kevin Jaeger: I saw this movie in theater, and it was my first experience with hairspray at all.

[39:33] Aaron J Albano: Um, so I actually owned the movie cast album and like thought that was all the like how everything sounded and what it all was like.

[39:41] Kevin Jaeger: Um so I owned that, and then good story.

[39:44] Aaron J Albano: And then I saw the show on stage at the Surflight Theater.

[39:49] Kevin Jaeger: I saw that production too, and I watched it was like, wait, this isn't in the movie.

[39:55] Aaron J Albano: And they're like, yeah, this was in the original stage show.

[39:58] Kevin Jaeger: And I was like, well, they really changed that.

[40:00] Aaron J Albano: She didn't actually go to jail.

[40:02] Kevin Jaeger: Like, there were so many things that I was like, ah!

[40:04] Aaron J Albano: But like you like freak out when there was no ladies' choice, yes, because Jack Efron is dreamy, and that song is lovely, but he sings like a really slow song, right?

[40:14] Kevin Jaeger: It takes two, yeah.

[40:17] Aaron J Albano: Which is still in the movie.

[40:19] Kevin Jaeger: It is which is the image, right?

[40:21] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, in the background, yeah.

[40:23] Kevin Jaeger: Very similar to how Greece puts a lot of those stage songs in the background.

[40:28] Aaron J Albano: One of my favorite costumes during It Takes Two.

[40:30] Kevin Jaeger: And it was one of the last, like one of the last later scenes that I shot.

[40:34] Aaron J Albano: So I definitely remember It Takes Two.

[40:36] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, but I mean I just it's the movie's fantastic.

[40:39] Aaron J Albano: It's fun and sweet.

[40:41] Kevin Jaeger: And it totally gets the like line you have to walk between being campy and being like in real life to like celebrate what the musical is.

[40:50] Aaron J Albano: So I just I thought it was directed and put together really freaking well.

[40:54] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah, I had I saw the stage production and I've seen the movie in theaters.

[41:00] Kevin Jaeger: I actually saw the movie.

[41:01] Bryan Plopkin: I was visiting Jay on LBI in that summer and he was working.

[41:05] Kevin Jaeger: So I just like went to the movie theater on LBI that's not there anymore.

[41:08] Bryan Plopkin: Um to watch it.

[41:10] Kevin Jaeger: Um I don't think it's there anymore.

[41:12] Bryan Plopkin: Um but uh I remember having a great time and then we we watched it.

[41:18] Kevin Jaeger: We got we got drunk and rented it on Friday night.

[41:21] Bryan Plopkin: Is that when we were obnoxiously texting you, Hayley?

[41:24] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I think Friday night.

[41:26] Kevin Jaeger: Every second of it.

[41:27] Bryan Plopkin: It was Friday night.

[41:28] Kevin Jaeger: We took pictures like with the dog pointing at Hayley on the screen.

[41:33] Hayley Podschun: Um but we had a because it's uh it was amazing.

[41:37] Bryan Plopkin: You guys, the joy in your face was my most favorite.

[41:40] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, and then I was sending you pictures of like my birthday with Amanda Bynes.

[41:45] Hayley Podschun: Yes, yes.

[41:48] Kevin Jaeger: Um you're still besties to this day, right?

[41:53] Hayley Podschun: I haven't talked to her in forever.

[41:56] Kevin Jaeger: She's been busy, it's okay.

[41:57] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[41:58] Kevin Jaeger: We um we had a blast.

[42:00] Hayley Podschun: It's so much fun.

[42:01] Kevin Jaeger: The casting is spectacular.

[42:02] Hayley Podschun: It's talk about quote stunt casting making it wonderful as opposed to bogged down.

[42:09] Kevin Jaeger: Yes, it was just and especially I had already watched Jersey Boys.

[42:17] Bryan Plopkin: But it's Brian and Ted and his TV screen showing Hairspray. Um but yeah, it was super fun. We had a great time, and it was very nice for that pop of color after watching Jersey Boys.

[42:28] Hayley Podschun: Yes. Oh, it's so fun and vibrant.

[42:32] Kimberly Cooper: Wait, guys, this was my morning. It just went to colorful. I did Sweeney Todd first, then Jersey Boys, then Hairspray.

[42:39] Aaron J Albano: You were watching The Wizard of Oz.

[42:45] Bryan Plopkin: Um, so let's talk about um Aaron, why don't you just go right in and ask Hayley all of your questions?

[42:51] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, okay. Here's a question. Question one. Why? What was I don't even know if you'll even know any of this, but what was the idea behind the like seduction of Wilbur?

[43:08] Hayley Podschun: Oh, is that on the musical?

[43:10] Aaron J Albano: No.

[43:12] Hayley Podschun: I know. That is the one moment of the show where I'm like is that just to give those two characters more to do, those actors more to do as those characters? Also, full Christopher Walken weekend.

[43:24] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, Jersey Boys. I completely forgot that he was in Jersey Boys, and I watched Sweeney Todd first and then Jersey Boys, and I was like, wait, wait, wait, why is he in this too? It was crazy.

[43:40] Hayley Podschun: Um, Aaron, I don't, I can't answer that. I don't know. And then starting to see the other here's a second question. Why? Because in the musical, Big Blonde and Beautiful is the march. And I know what I've been the night before the r the like.

[44:04] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[44:04] Hayley Podschun: Yeah. I know where I've been is written for the movie.

[44:07] Aaron J Albano: No.

[44:08] Hayley Podschun: No. I know where I've been is like the 11 o'clock number, for lack of a better word. Like, and that's it, it's it's sort of motivating them to go into the finale. But why so why did we was it just to amp up the march?

[44:23] Aaron J Albano: I think the reason is is in this is my own opinion. I actually don't know this. Um but in the musical, I know where I've been is a stand of stand and sing number.

[44:35] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[44:35] Aaron J Albano: Motormouth is just moving around. So I think in order to storytell, I think they chose the visual of them getting ready for a march for that song or them actually doing the march. You know what I mean?

[44:52] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's actually really beautiful what they did for the film. It's amazing the adaptation and how much they did change and really rearrange, and it still feels like Hairspray. Yeah, but like you don't even know that certain things are different, and even as someone who knows the show backwards and forwards, like I wouldn't have if I mean I didn't watch Hairspray this time around because I just don't need to.

[45:21] Aaron J Albano: You live it.

[45:21] Hayley Podschun: And I love I love the movie so so much, but I was like, I don't need to watch it, I know it so well. Um you still get upset when Tanner is. Like when you like clicked on the movie, like the like big picture that you showed was like.

[45:35] Aaron J Albano: Um, but if you know using I know where it been is as an example, that is a beautiful example from the film that if you know the show so well, meaning the stage version, you don't even care that that's not what happens in the stage version because it's I think even elevated and a little bit smarter than before.

[45:59] Hayley Podschun: And I mean it makes the march bigger because it becomes a bigger moment. That is in the musical. But I was just wondering that. Last what question was um because the one thing that I was like, I don't know how I feel about that is the fact that Tracy doesn't go to jail.

[46:19] Aaron J Albano: And if Tracy doesn't go to jail, then Link can't break her out, which means Link's like come to Jesus moment happens at the finale instead of before then. And I was like, why doesn't he where were they? Were they in the basement of Penny's penny was in the house?

[46:39] Hayley Podschun: And then Penny was Penny. Well, Zach Efron sings Without Love, like in Tracy's room, like a stalker.

[46:46] Aaron J Albano: Right, right, right. And then they put her like in the trunk or something.

[46:49] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, yeah. They're trying to get to each other in the refrigerator when they do the refrigerator. When he finds that candy bar under her pillow and then like lays down holding it. I was just like, yeah.

[47:01] Aaron J Albano: The direction of this film is so wonderful. The little pieces that Adam Shankman put in, just like he he's treating it like a musical, but also like a movie musical. Like it the this is another one that you know, the Phantom of the Opera Joel Schumacher doesn't know what to do with the camera in that movie.

[47:22] Hayley Podschun: Whereas Shankman knows exactly what to do with the camera movie, keeps the energy going, but you never feel like you're watching feet, watching hands. Like it's all well. He's from our world. Like he's a performer, so he gets it versus like that whole section of like I can hear the bells, like when she's like suddenly in dodgeball and then gets hit all and like it's just so genius how all of that is played through.

[47:47] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, the bathroom with the girls smoking, like it's perfect.

[47:51] Hayley Podschun: It's so good. Even all the stuff like walking up to Welcome to the 60s, and like the stuff they see in the window.

[47:58] Aaron J Albano: Yeah. That was one of the things I did remember though, Aaron, was that like I remembered she went to jail and he broke her out in the stage show, and that's not what happens on in the movie. Personally, I was like actually like pleasantly surprised about the change they made for the movie, because like it it did make Link a secondary character to like that, where he just had kind of figured out at the end, but like it focused more on like Tracy's confident journey where like she didn't need him to save her, and then like he joins her because he sees how confident she is when she's dancing like at the finale.

[48:36] Aaron J Albano: So like that. I guess it's like it's very Hans moments in Frozen, not Hans, but uh Christoph's moments in Frozen, where it was just like, what do you need? Like Okay.

[48:48] Hayley Podschun: I mean, I guess I guess that's where I agree, and that and and that's a that is a way to view it, and it's valid and it and it makes him look good. The I feel like his because his action happens earlier in the musical, his intention his there's more intention in in his action rather than just like possibly being swept up in the moment at the end.

[49:18] Aaron J Albano: Oh, yeah. That actually makes sense. I also think that Zach Efron is a good actor, and he does a lot with just his eyes and his physicality that the script doesn't necessarily give Lincoln this version.

[49:30] Hayley Podschun: And I can't believe I'm saying that after I've seen things like High School Musical 2.

[49:35] Aaron J Albano: He's good in one, he's fine.

[49:37] Hayley Podschun: I mean, he had done how many things before he did Hairspray. Like he was so good in it.

[49:40] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, he had learned, he had gotten better.

[49:44] Hayley Podschun: Yeah. Well, because they say that he's like the college barrel of our generation.

[49:50] Aaron J Albano: Thank you.

[49:51] Hayley Podschun: I said this like he is delightful in Neighbors.

[49:59] Aaron J Albano: This is like pre-jacked Zach Efron, though.

[50:02] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, that's okay.

[50:03] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, he's still baby body, young and tank.

[50:06] Hayley Podschun: He's still a twink before he came in like a muscle bottom. Like he's still a twink now.

[50:10] Aaron J Albano: So he's a delight, right?

[50:11] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[50:14] Bryan Plopkin: Okay. My next one. Michelle Pfeiffer is so electric on screen no matter what she does, she's a delight, right?

[50:20] Hayley Podschun: You guys, I truly I feel like I kept texting you this, Brian. I was like, sorry to keep telling you this over and over, but there was not one diva on that set.

[50:30] Bryan Plopkin: Yeah, that's so great.

[50:32] Hayley Podschun: Everyone was so kind. When you say there's no diva, it was probably you.

[50:41] Bryan Plopkin: That's so nice to hear.

[50:47] Hayley Podschun: Everyone who was, you know, like a celebrity was so kind, and we spent so long rehearsing the show that it was just like summer camp, and we all became such good friends, and even the people that I didn't really have scenes with, like Chris Walken Latifah wasn't really with Travolta I really wasn't with. Um, but like they were so kind, and like I remember between takes one day, we were like holding for a really long time. I think we were shooting You Can't Stop the Beat because everyone was there, and like with all of those dancers, like you get all of a lot of dancers together, and we become crazy. And so there became like this big dance circle, and like Chris Walken got in and was dancing, and then like Queen Latifah got it. Like everyone just got in. We were like, Oh, you know, like that's fun. Everyone was so so kind.

[51:41] Aaron J Albano: This is the first movie I ever saw Christopher Walken in that I wasn't actually like absolutely terrified of Christopher.

[51:47] Hayley Podschun: Oh, right God you finished that sentence, man.

[51:51] Aaron J Albano: I am so terrified of him.

[51:54] Hayley Podschun: I don't know what it is. Well, it's crazy because his background is dance, he puts dance into every movie he's possibly in on purpose. Like, yeah, like Pennies from Heaven, Blast from the Past, like even in um uh Catch Me If You Can, his thing is dancing with his wife.

[52:09] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[52:10] Hayley Podschun: Oh yeah, he puts it in everything. You should YouTube his old dancing stuff, it's really cool.

[52:16] Aaron J Albano: Or the flat boy, the fat boy slim video.

[52:19] Hayley Podschun: Yes, that video is perfect. I actually did think that during summer, like during the like Timeless to Me number. I was like, Oh, he can move. Like because I feel like he would be like creepy and awkward just because that's like a vibe he has with a lot of his roles and his stuff. But like he was very Frankie Valli.

[52:38] Aaron J Albano: So good.

[52:39] Hayley Podschun: So good, but yeah, he's he was like really because I mean everybody knows John Travolta can dance so like him moving through some of that stuff especially with like the batsuit and everything like he was fantastic but like Christopher Walken is like really dapper in this movie yeah and he actually talks like that so crazy so I I will actually I want to bring up John Travolta for a moment um thoughts on his that as much as we all love the Tracy character and all this like Edna is the character we will like that pops off the screen when you see it on stay off or off the stage that's the one you maybe remember maybe because of Divine because of Harvey Fierstein whatever the case may be that's a very that's the memorable Hairspray character thoughts on how John Travolta handled it he got really into his accent work to be from Baltimore.

[53:34] Aaron J Albano: Which is very similar to Philadelphia accent and so I appreciated how thorough he was but he was the only one that did it.

[53:42] Hayley Podschun: Yes I will say I like I remember watching it or remembering the like because I feel like the movie came out at a time when everybody was like it's Harvey or no one yeah so everyone there was just this automatic bias that Harvey won the Tony right yeah yes he won best actor in a musical yeah and so like watching it now without all of that I thought he was great.

[54:09] Aaron J Albano: I actually thought he was really yeah I this time watching it through I still think for me he is the weakest link in the film, that is also all relative because I think everyone is just naturally having a good time and he's trying more than other people because he's he's working with a lot there, and I I wouldn't actually blame him. It's just like the face and the everything is just a lot, but like this time through, I didn't have the same reservations. I just like bought into it because again, I think that it's it's amazing how context changes things over time.

[54:41] Hayley Podschun: Oh, yeah.

[54:42] Aaron J Albano: Not to like not to take away from anything that Harvey Fierstein did on stage, because I'm sure his performance was incredible because I've seen him on stage a few times and other things, and he's just breathtaking to watch. But like I think that playing a drag persona on stage is easier than it would be doing it on film. So I think I think some of the extra the added stuff he had to do, because like you can go over the top as a drag persona on stage, and people will eat it up. If you go too overboard in a movie approach to an act living reality, like he had to balance being over the top, but also being real. So I think that might have been what you felt like holding back his character, because like it's really hard to like not come off as like a jerk for playing a woman too extravagantly, whereas on stage people are eating up the drag because they know that's what it is.

[55:37] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, and you're so right.

[55:39] Aaron J Albano: I can buy that, yeah.

[55:41] Hayley Podschun: Also, we also didn't mention it. Sorry, I'm just looking up Dick Latessa, who just recently passed away, won the Tony for playing Wilbur as well.

[55:49] Aaron J Albano: I didn't I didn't remember that.

[55:51] Hayley Podschun: Oh wow, I didn't know that either. And then Marissa Janet Winokur won as well.

[55:55] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[55:57] Bryan Plopkin: So so any last thoughts on this this Hairspray?

[56:02] Hayley Podschun: Besides, Sammy was robbed.

[56:03] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, besides the rock is perfect.

[56:06] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[56:06] Aaron J Albano: Sami when he was robbed.

[56:10] Hayley Podschun: Um can we stop about the the seaweed stubs though? Because his voice is killer. Elijah Kelly, you guys is truly one of the most talented, beautiful, kind humans ever.

[56:20] Hayley Podschun: He's a great seaweed.

[56:24] Aaron J Albano: He was awesome.

[56:25] Kimberly Cooper: Where was he from?

[56:28] Kevin Jaeger: I don't know.

[56:28] Bryan Plopkin: Like what was that, was this like his first big thing?

[56:32] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[56:34] Aaron J Albano: We get like sing.

[56:40] Kimberly Cooper: Um, and we Tracy wins in the musical. Is that correct?

[56:43] Hayley Podschun: She's Hairspray.

[56:45] Bryan Plopkin: Can we talk about that change?

[56:48] Hayley Podschun: I like that idea.

[56:49] Aaron J Albano: Miss Hairspray in the musical, and then in the movie Little Inez wins. And I like that. I love that.

[56:54] Hayley Podschun: Corney Collins like lied because he wanted to integrate the show.

[56:59] Kimberly Cooper: That's what how I read it.

[57:01] Aaron J Albano: Is he went, I mess?

[57:03] Hayley Podschun: Yeah. I just like seeing a movie where the person didn't get cheated on. That was the love.

[57:08] Kevin Jaeger: James Martin was such a good Corney Collins.

[57:11] Hayley Podschun: Oh good.

[57:15] Aaron J Albano: His riff at the end of the... the only thing better than Hairspray.

[57:19] Hayley Podschun: Oh my god. I was just like, Jimmy Morrison.

[57:23] Aaron J Albano: I know I texted this to you, Bryan. Jimmy Morrison is the kindest, funniest, most talented, gorgeous human ever.

[57:34] Hayley Podschun: I love Princess Sonic the Hedgehog.

[57:37] Aaron J Albano: Yeah. I loved working with him. He was so much fun. We had the best time.

[57:42] Kimberly Cooper: Cool.

[57:43] Hayley Podschun: Um, he sounded incredible. Last question I would ask before we move on. Haley, when you guys were like running the numbers, were people singing live, even though they knew like they would obviously dub it with like the recording later, but like was he like singing while you guys were dancing and stuff?

[58:00] Hayley Podschun: I think so. Fun fact, they didn't ask us to sing on the recording.

[58:08] Aaron J Albano: Oh, that's not you.

[58:09] Hayley Podschun: I mean, that's you singing your lines, but not in like...

[58:13] Hayley Podschun: The only song, the only song I'm actually on is when I'm saying Tammy and then New Girl in Town. That's the only time that I'm on the track.

[58:23] Hayley Podschun: They hired people in New York to sing on it, which makes no sense because, well, what was interesting, the LA kids that they hired are like LA dancers. And they aren't like musical theater people, so they are mostly very heavily dance, dance, dance. They don't really sing.

[58:40] Hayley Podschun: Then the Toronto, so they hired New York kids, LA kids, and Toronto kids. And us New York kids could do it all. The LA kids are like insane movie video, uh, music video dancers. Like they danced with Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears and Beyonce, like they're amazing.

[58:59] Hayley Podschun: Then the Toronto kids were like kind of an in between. They like some could sing, and then some were more like the LA dancers. So I think to not hurt anyone's feelings, they were just like, we're just gonna record with a lot of people in New York who had done the show before, and then others were just like singers that they really liked.

[59:21] Hayley Podschun: So I think when we were, I think when we filmed the stuff, like a lot of it, I think the tracks had already been recorded. So I think we were lip syncing, sinking, singing. What's the correct term?

[59:39] Aaron J Albano: I think it's a good one.

[59:40] Hayley Podschun: Sinking.

[59:40] Aaron J Albano: Sinking.

[59:41] Hayley Podschun: Sinking. Because you're sinking your lips with the Titanic.

[59:48] Kimberly Cooper: So your line in crabs isn't you.

[59:55] Hayley Podschun: I can't remember.

[59:58] Aaron J Albano: Maybe not.

[59:59] Hayley Podschun: Are you scared we're live?

[1:00:00] Aaron J Albano: That's you.

[1:00:01] Hayley Podschun: Oh no, that is me. I thought you meant, did I do that like live or did I just record it on the track?

[1:00:07] Hayley Podschun: Because you said you only recorded Tammy and...

[1:00:07] Hayley Podschun: Oh, yeah. Anything that is me that's like solo of mine, that's me.

[1:00:15] Aaron J Albano: Imagine you open your mind be like, are you scared we're live?

[1:00:19] Hayley Podschun: Well, I was literally like, that's a great voice mask.

[1:00:22] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:00:23] Hayley Podschun: I was like, no, that's on me.

[1:00:26] Bryan Plopkin: Okay, fairs. Awesome. So just to do the same thing we did with the other one. Um, the, um, Tim Burton Sweeney Todd.

[1:00:36] Kevin Jaeger: Well, no, uh notes out for this one.

[1:00:39] Aaron J Albano: No, Rotten Tomatoes is a 91% on Rotten Tomatoes.

[1:00:42] Hayley Podschun: Oh, that's practically ripe.

[1:00:47] Aaron J Albano: It's actually one of 2007's best reviewed films. And Hairspray's energetic, wholly entertaining musical romp, a fun summer movie with plenty of heart.

[1:00:55] Hayley Podschun: Its contagious songs will make you want to get up and start dancing.

[1:00:59] Aaron J Albano: Um, I did, me too.

[1:01:02] Hayley Podschun: Oh, Jamie took a video of me dancing that you can't stop to beat when I'm blackout driving. And it now immediately.

[1:01:10] Bryan Plopkin: Share your screen.

[1:01:12] Aaron J Albano: Um, but uh, let's go right into the demon barber of Fleet Street, Sweeney Todd. Um, this was also a 2007 film, came out around Christmas time because obviously.

[1:01:25] Kevin Jaeger: Um, but let's go around obviously your relationship with the stage production or any of the stage play in general, um, your relationship with the movie, and just again give me your high level thoughts on uh watching this one through. We'll get we'll go into it deeper, but just like what are your like what is your gut reaction to it having just watched? What are you thinking?

[1:01:46] Bryan Plopkin: What are you thinking?

[1:01:47] Kevin Jaeger: Um, let's start with you.

[1:01:52] Kevin Jaeger: Okay. Um, I did Sweeney Todd at Florida State University in 2007. And so I knew the show from that. I was in the ensemble and I covered Pirelli.

[1:02:04] Aaron J Albano: Oh, I bet you would have been a great Pirelli.

[1:02:07] Kevin Jaeger: Yes. So I knew the show very intimately from doing it in college because like when you do a show in college, you spend like a semester rehearsing and then you do it for like two weeks. So, um, I knew that show very well. And I had never seen a stage production of it. Um, I have since seen the Barrow Street production. Kimberly and I went that had uh meat pies and saw the brilliance that was that production. Um, but I saw this movie in the theaters with my entire family. Because my whole family went and saw me do whenever I do a show, my family is always amazing. They come and see it. And uh, my parents went three times in a row because they're that kind of parents, so they like come for the weekend and see it every performance. Um, so the whole family knew that show pretty intimately. So, like we made it like a whole thing during Christmas time where we all went for like a movie night together to see it.

[1:03:00] Bryan Plopkin: Great. Um, I'll quickly go. Um, you know, I had seen the Angela Lansbury original production. Um, not not live, I'm not Aaron, and um I've seen I saw the Barrow Street, I've seen different versions of it here and there. Um, and then again, like Kevin, we went with the family during the holiday season. This was the musical coming out on Christmas, and it's Jews, like that's the jackpot. Um and uh yeah, I remember walking out to the theater thinking uh being a little entertained but confused. Um this was the most enjoyable time watching it for me. I've seen it, this is my third time seeing it.

[1:03:46] Aaron J Albano: Um, go.

[1:03:49] Aaron J Albano: Um, I the first time I ever saw the show was watching the live cap with George Hearn and Angela Lansbury. Um and I remember the first time I saw it, because it was a long time ago, and it was kind of one of those like you knew if you were like trying to get into this business that Sweeney Todd was one of those shows that you had to pretend to like. And so, or if, or else people will judge you for the theater.

[1:04:19] Kevin Jaeger: Right.

[1:04:19] Aaron J Albano: And so I think I like watched it through that lens, and so like liked it because I knew I was supposed to, but didn't really get it all. And then fast forward, then I also still watched I watched not this past Barrow Street revival, but I watched the Patty Lapone Michael Cerberus instrument revival. Which I dug and I liked it a lot. Again, sort of you saw that live?

[1:04:46] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, I saw that live.

[1:04:47] Aaron J Albano: Okay. Wow. Kind of went the same vein though, where I was like, this is great because this is I this is great theater because everyone else thinks it's great theater too. And then I saw this movie. Wait, this came out in 2013, you said?

[1:05:04] Kevin Jaeger: Seven.

[1:05:04] Aaron J Albano: Yeah. Oh, this came out through seven also. Um this movie, I think I feel like I saw this movie, because I saw it in theaters that Christmas time as well. Um and I think this was after the the Tatty LePone revival. So this is when, and again, this is when I got like movie stars in our roles. What the hell? And then so I like as I'm saying it that like my trajectory with Sweeney Todd was just like succumbing to peer pressure every single time I watched it. And now actually this time watching it was like I have my thoughts about the movie, but it's the first time I like understand it as a sophisticated viewer of stories, where I'm like, oh, I get what's happening the entire movie now. And while I miss a lot of the stuff from the show, like I'm wondering if it's the movie in some way made it clearer because I didn't get it when like the ensemble was being a great chorus. I don't know, but I liked it this time mainly because I could now tell you what Sweeney Todd was about without like having Cliff Notes in front of me.

[1:06:25] Bryan Plopkin: Sure.

[1:06:26] Hayley Podschun: Oh, um, I had never seen Sweeney Todd ever. Um wow.

[1:06:32] Hayley Podschun: Ever. Cool.

[1:06:33] Hayley Podschun: Um, this was fresh. Well, the only time I've actually seen it was a few months ago. I went on YouTube. Um, and I started watching the Emma Thompson concert that they did.

[1:06:47] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:06:48] Hayley Podschun: With um Jay Johnson and Aaron Nackie.

[1:06:51] Kevin Jaeger: Sure.

[1:06:51] Hayley Podschun: Yes. I never finished it. Um but I was like, you know, I should know this musical, because I was like, I should I was during a time where I was like, I should research roles that I should know. And I was like, you should know Joanna. So I was like, I'm just gonna Google it. So I started watching it. I didn't finish it, but I liked it. But um, so this was my first time I've seen it all the way through.

[1:07:17] Kimberly Cooper: Um and that's all I'll say.

[1:07:21] Aaron J Albano: Sure, sure.

[1:07:22] Kimberly Cooper: My first memory of Sweeney Todd is when my like first grade music teacher accidentally made a joke that that's what we were gonna do for our musical. And then she was like, maybe Sweeney Todd. And like me in the front row went, what's Sweeney Todd about? And I was like, and like years later, I realized that like I caught her in like an off-handed comment that she then had to explain to an eight-year-old. And she was like, It's about a barber who puts people in pies.

[1:07:57] Aaron J Albano: Right.

[1:07:58] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, but so then like my whole elementary school experience with me being like, mom, go listen to Sweeney Todd. And so I know I mean, there are worse things you could have asked for.

[1:08:11] Aaron J Albano: Correct.

[1:08:12] Kimberly Cooper: My mom, whenever I take her to see something Sondheim, she goes, Well, you know that me and Sondheim aren't always good friends. She like really needs to know the plot beforehand.

[1:08:22] Aaron J Albano: Amazing.

[1:08:23] Kimberly Cooper: Um, so she got me the Angela Lansbury DVD in like middle school, and so I watched it then, and I think the same as Aaron pretended it was breathtaking, and was like, Yes, of course, this is great theater. Um, but only after seeing the Barrow Street production did I really like get it.

[1:08:41] Aaron J Albano: Sure, sure.

[1:08:43] Kimberly Cooper: I'm sad I missed that production. And then, yes, again, watching it today was like the best experience I've had with this movie. Because I remember seeing it in theaters and like during the overtures, like, there are lyrics to this song.

[1:08:55] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, pretentious about it, you know.

[1:08:59] Kimberly Cooper: It's interesting because I didn't I love the I love the overture and I love the opening, Attend the Tale, I love all that, but I think at all because this movie wasn't doing that, and it knew exactly what it wanted to be, whether you like what it is or not. It had a honestly the grid the biggest difference between like this and a Jersey Boys is yes, it's Tim Burton, and yes, it's Tim Burton flair, but at least it had a point of view and perspective.

[1:09:27] Aaron J Albano: Yes, I would agree with that.

[1:09:28] Kimberly Cooper: This movie, like I that was one of the things had that. One of the best things that Bryan did for all of us when we were about to start watching these movies was he was like, remember to watch Sweeney Todd as a Tim Burton film. And so I went into it because when I first sat down to watch it, I was doing the show in my senior year of college. I literally had just done it with my final musical production, and being a student, I was the student in the classical voice program, so I wasn't a musical theater student, so it was the best thing for me because my musical, like my I got to have my musical theater fixed and performing, but also my classical voice teacher loved it because it's like Sondheim's version of saying I can write opera, I could write in that language, and so everything I was singing, my voice teacher just loved it because he got to work with me on like proper voice technique.

[1:10:20] Hayley Podschun: There was no belting, there was no like anything, it was just like beautiful singing. And back then I was a tenor one, so it was like I was in the rafters all the time with my voice, so it was just really nice. I would come into my voice lesson and be fully warmed up because we were in rehearsals all the time, and it's just like Kevin saying an A right now and do a C sharp, and I'm like, Okay, so like it was just like a whole thing. So I went into it really kind of still got it, Kevin. Still got it, got it. So like I was still super emotional about the show to then see it and to like I when I first saw it in theaters, like my whole family was like, That's not Sweetie Todd. Like, what is this?

But like watching it this time, like I loved it so much more this time, like accepting what they were going for. Like the way that Tim Burton clings to the grotesque is such a beautiful thing in this movie. Like, one of the things that pops out of my head is like how grotesque it is when the bodies hit the floor, yes, and shows it, like the heads caving in and like all like why did they all bleed ketchup? Because it's a stylistic choice, yeah. I think it was stylistic with that, but like that was so grotesque, and the way that everything seems dirty in the film, like even like through like the lens of what they're filming, is just a gritty lens, yeah. So it kind of love it, like with those bugs and everything with Mrs. Lovett, like it was just all everything was so grotesque.

New York City apartment, in a yeah, exactly. But it was like in like a Tim Burton kind of way that makes it beautiful. Like I was in for it. Did anybody find so let's talk about the um the performances? Um let's talk through um who who really connected with you, who didn't connect with you as much. Was it just their execution of the character? Was it the voice? Was it all of it? Was it just wasn't it was it about your expectations of the character? I guess you know, we can talk. Let's talk through um let's let's talk through Lovett and Sweeney. Uh um you had a face.

[1:12:30] Aaron J Albano: I mean, I had so many questions because I already don't know the show. So I was like, I was watching it from a muggle perspective of meaning muggle, someone who doesn't do theater, and I was like, this. If I were to watch this movie, I'd be like, why do people like theater? Because I was like, this is I did not like it. Okay.

[1:12:53] Hayley Podschun: Um so what didn't click high level for you?

[1:12:56] Aaron J Albano: Um, everything. I mean, the performances, their singing, some of the story. Um, it looked a little too cartoony for me. Like, I know it was Tim Burton-esque, but I was like, uh No, it's it's just Tim Burton.

[1:13:13] Hayley Podschun: Yeah.

[1:13:15] Aaron J Albano: Um, I did not like it. So, especially if we're talking about uh Mrs. Lovett.

[1:13:23] Hayley Podschun: Oh my god, I Mrs. Lovett Buns. I didn't even do that on purpose.

[1:13:31] Aaron J Albano: Mrs. Lovett's face buns. Um, I only know that because I've seen the picture of um Angela Lansbury.

[1:13:38] Hayley Podschun: Sure.

[1:13:39] Aaron J Albano: Um, so their whole relationship, I think I have I took notes because I was like, I need to be able to talk about this. So do they know each other before?

[1:13:51] Hayley Podschun: I think the idea is Lovett knows who Benjamin Barker is, but Benjamin Barker does not know who Lovett is.

[1:13:57] Aaron J Albano: Benjamin Button.

[1:13:58] Hayley Podschun: Yes. Yes, Benjamin Button.

[1:14:00] Aaron J Albano: Yes.

[1:14:01] Hayley Podschun: Um, and she just happens to have a barber shop above her pie shop.

[1:14:05] Aaron J Albano: That's where he lived.

[1:14:07] Hayley Podschun: So that's where he's living above her pie shop.

[1:14:12] Aaron J Albano: So like he didn't really notice her because all he saw was his beautiful wife, but like she was the downstairs neighbor, basically.

[1:14:20] Hayley Podschun: Got it.

[1:14:21] Aaron J Albano: And he changed his name.

[1:14:23] Hayley Podschun: Why?

[1:14:24] Aaron J Albano: So that people wouldn't know because he was a felon sent away for life. So he in the beginning scene when like Anthony and him are on a boat, he had broken out of prison and was like trying to swim for shore, and they saved him.

[1:14:38] Hayley Podschun: And that's how he gets on the boat, and then he changes his name to start a whole new identity.

[1:14:43] Aaron J Albano: I've never known he goes back to exactly where he was before.

[1:14:47] Hayley Podschun: Correct revenge back to London to exact revenge.

[1:14:51] Aaron J Albano: Sure, that makes sense. In his same apartment with his old knives and because no one will go, like no one will rent that house because they know the terrible thing that happened there.

[1:15:02] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I just kept writing a normal person would hate this.

[1:15:06] Aaron J Albano: Like so that's very interesting because the trailers for this, if anyone remembers them, are not a musical trip.

[1:15:13] Hayley Podschun: It's not a trip it's not a musical.

[1:15:16] Aaron J Albano: People went into this, I'm sure, thinking I'm gonna watch a dark Tim Burton movie about the character of Sweeney Todd starring Johnny Depp, and all of a sudden it begins with musical things.

[1:15:27] Hayley Podschun: Sondheim music, yeah.

[1:15:28] Aaron J Albano: With people who can't sing, yeah.

[1:15:32] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I had I had definite like because I thought Johnny Depp was fine. I thought Helena Bottom Carter was fine, but I had definite like lame is lame is like flashbacks of their vocals.

[1:15:47] Aaron J Albano: And I remember thinking when I was watching, I think when I was watching this, and when I was watching Le Miz, I was like, this is the perfect example that shows the world that what we do is hard.

[1:15:58] Hayley Podschun: Yes, what we do is difficult because these movie stars walk in and think that what we do is super easy because we're sing like we're just like singing a little ditty. Nah, telling a story through song is difficult.

[1:16:12] Aaron J Albano: Um I was like they would storytelling, yes.

[1:16:17] Hayley Podschun: I think they they embodied their characters and they bought blah blah blah blah blah. But like that they both can't sing, and at the end of the day, like when they're doing a musical, it takes you out of the story.

[1:16:31] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, and maybe this is us watching as musical people, but like it took me out of the story, and I and I would stop seeing them as Sweeney and Lovett and see them as Helena Bottom bottom of carters.

[1:16:47] Hayley Podschun: Um thoughts on Snape and Peter Perigru.

[1:16:51] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:16:53] Hayley Podschun: Peter Parker's death was the worst, the way his head exploded.

[1:16:58] Aaron J Albano: It's so distracting to see him in anything else because I truly cannot see him as anything but a rat.

[1:17:05] Hayley Podschun: He's Peter Pettigrew, yeah.

[1:17:07] Aaron J Albano: And it's not because of I mean it is because of Harry Potter, but he just immediately looks like a little rat, kind of.

[1:17:14] Hayley Podschun: So I can't see I can't unsee it.

[1:17:17] Aaron J Albano: And especially them together.

[1:17:19] Hayley Podschun: I'm like, oh yeah, that's what like Harry Potter.

[1:17:22] Aaron J Albano: For sure.

[1:17:23] Hayley Podschun: He was just doing a Snape voice.

[1:17:25] Aaron J Albano: Like he didn't Rickman didn't change anything about it.

[1:17:29] Hayley Podschun: Hello.

[1:17:29] Aaron J Albano: Joe.

[1:17:30] Hayley Podschun: I I would argue that Alan Rickman is the best part of this film.

[1:17:33] Aaron J Albano: Sure.

[1:17:34] Hayley Podschun: I would agree.

[1:17:35] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:17:35] Hayley Podschun: I like that they this movie could have easily leaned out of Turpin being a creeper and just being like a wealthy man of that time period because they caught a lot of his his worst stuff from it, but they still leaned into like when he's going to the books and stuff like that.

[1:17:52] Aaron J Albano: They do like lean into it a little bit, but like this is a movie that could have easily just made him like standard judge of the time bad guy.

[1:18:00] Hayley Podschun: Well, they did add some color to it, and Alan Rickman makes that color pop.

[1:18:04] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:18:05] Hayley Podschun: So good.

[1:18:06] Aaron J Albano: Very similar to a column show.

[1:18:08] Hayley Podschun: They also kind of it depends on how that's directed, I guess.

[1:18:11] Aaron J Albano: But like in the stage show, like they make it a lot clearer that like it's just it's not just the judge who like rapes his wife, it's also the Beatle and like multiple other people at the party.

[1:18:23] Hayley Podschun: Like it's like a party game they play, and there's like thick twisted, like rich people's world.

[1:18:30] Aaron J Albano: And for a high profile Tim Burton movie, this was they went further than I thought they would.

[1:18:37] Hayley Podschun: So like it's really, really dark, and like they did a pretty good job of showing how like gross that gets.

[1:18:43] Aaron J Albano: Sure.

[1:18:45] Hayley Podschun: He's I love Alan Rickman.

[1:18:46] Aaron J Albano: I miss him.

[1:18:47] Hayley Podschun: I want him to see more things.

[1:18:49] Aaron J Albano: Broke my heart.

[1:18:49] Hayley Podschun: I was like, why is he no longer here?

[1:18:52] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, he's so sad.

[1:18:54] Hayley Podschun: He'll always be Hans Gruber.

[1:18:58] Aaron J Albano: Yeah, Peter Pettigrew is great for this.

[1:19:00] Hayley Podschun: That was the perfect casting choice.

[1:19:02] Aaron J Albano: Oh yeah.

[1:19:03] Hayley Podschun: Um thoughts on the thoughts on the Joanna and the uh Anthony.

[1:19:07] Aaron J Albano: So Where were her eyebrows?

[1:19:14] Hayley Podschun: Like that fair, just Corpse Brian.

[1:19:16] Aaron J Albano: I forgot this movie.

[1:19:17] Hayley Podschun: So when I was watching, I was like, it's gonna be that girl that's in all his other movies.

[1:19:21] Aaron J Albano: Um the girl from Alice in Wonderland.

[1:19:24] Hayley Podschun: Yes.

[1:19:24] Aaron J Albano: That's a good one.

[1:19:24] Hayley Podschun: Like I thought actually.

[1:19:26] Aaron J Albano: Oh, Mia Watchikowski or whatever.

[1:19:28] Hayley Podschun: I actually thought that there is a shot.

[1:19:31] Aaron J Albano: It's right, it's as they're going to Joanna's window, and you see what I swear to God I think is this Mia chick with another boy crossing, and I was like, oh, we're if we're seeing this movie as like it's a little Easter egg.

[1:19:50] Hayley Podschun: Like if you've seen it four times, you'll see her roving across.

[1:19:54] Aaron J Albano: And then all of a sudden it's not her, and it's this other girl with no eyebrows.

[1:19:57] Hayley Podschun: And I was like, wait, wait, wait, where's that other girl?

[1:20:00] Aaron J Albano: Um, but I loved this girl.

[1:20:02] Hayley Podschun: I thought she was so like strikingly beautiful.

[1:20:06] Aaron J Albano: Yeah.

[1:20:06] Hayley Podschun: I did read that she was 19 when she filmed this, and at first they weren't gonna give it to her, and then she sent again IMDB.

[1:20:15] Aaron J Albano: Um, she sent casting a photo of her without makeup because they were like, oh, she's too old, and she looked so much younger without makeup, and they gave her the role.

[1:20:25] Hayley Podschun: What again with like her whole headshot?

[1:20:31] Aaron J Albano: I mean, she's stunning.

[1:20:33] Hayley Podschun: Uh oh yeah, that's a woman.

[1:20:35] Aaron J Albano: But I was like, she's very Tim Burton-esque.

[1:20:39] Hayley Podschun: Like, you know.

[1:20:40] Aaron J Albano: She's very wispy and like frail and pale and she's very Christina Ricci in uh um uh sleepy hollow.

[1:20:53] Hayley Podschun: Yes, everything's family.

[1:20:56] Aaron J Albano: I mean, I would tell people to watch Sleepy Hollow over this one if I had a choice between Burton movies of that elk.

[1:21:02] Hayley Podschun: I've never seen it.

[1:21:02] Aaron J Albano: Maybe I'll add it to my keyboard.

[1:21:04] Hayley Podschun: Of the deer.

[1:21:05] Aaron J Albano: Is it good?

[1:21:06] Hayley Podschun: Sleepy Hollow.

[1:21:07] Aaron J Albano: I've never seen either.

[1:21:08] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, I love it.

[1:21:09] Aaron J Albano: It's very good.

[1:21:10] Hayley Podschun: Okay.

[1:21:11] Aaron J Albano: Umy was good.

[1:21:14] Hayley Podschun: Um Toby was fun.

[1:21:18] Aaron J Albano: News alum Michael Fatica played Toby in the FSG production I was in.

[1:21:23] Hayley Podschun: Oh cool.

[1:21:25] Bryan Plopkin: Well, on that note, that brings us to the end of our episode. Thank you so much for joining us. This one was so fun. I'm glad we watched non-sequels.

[1:21:32] Kevin Jaeger: I know.

[1:21:34] Bryan Plopkin: Coming up, we're gonna be watching a lot of non-sequels related films. Next Monday, April, or this upcoming Monday, April 13th.

[1:21:43] Kevin Jaeger: Uh, we're gonna be live on BPN.

[1:21:45] Bryan Plopkin: We'll post all the information on our social medias. But the five of us are going to be talking about the DreamWorks movies, the movie musicals that we can find on streaming.

[1:21:55] Kevin Jaeger: Yes, Road to El Dorado, that's on Hulu.

[1:21:59] Bryan Plopkin: Um the uh Prince of Egypt is also on Hulu, and on Netflix, you can find Joseph King of Dreams.

[1:22:06] Kevin Jaeger: Those are the three that we're gonna be watching.

[1:22:08] Bryan Plopkin: So come join us.

[1:22:10] Kevin Jaeger: Of dreams.

[1:22:12] Bryan Plopkin: Um, so come join us there. We're gonna be talking about those. We're gonna take your questions and and your thoughts, and we're gonna really have an awesome time doing that.

[1:22:20] Kevin Jaeger: So um, we hope to uh see you there. All these are gonna be released as episodes as well, but uh, we'd love to have your input there.

[1:22:27] Bryan Plopkin: Um, again, thank you, Hayley and Aaron. We can't wait to do that with you on the 13th, but thank you so much for taking the time this week to watch these films and then join us.

[1:22:35] Hayley Podschun: Wait, when are we talking about cats?

[1:22:37] Bryan Plopkin: Did we skip that part?

[1:22:38] Kevin Jaeger: Um, oh I cut that.

[1:22:40] Bryan Plopkin: Um we're gonna do a full episode on the butthole cut.

[1:22:45] Hayley Podschun: Yes, yes, no way.

[1:22:48] Bryan Plopkin: Um but uh again, you can follow us at Broadwaysted.

[1:22:54] Kevin Jaeger: Um, you can follow us at Broadwaysted.

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[1:23:00] Kevin Jaeger: Um you can all pachun, right?

[1:23:04] Bryan Plopkin: Just search her name. That's what I learned from Kimberly.

[1:23:09] Kevin Jaeger: Come up.

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[1:23:31] Bryan Plopkin: Five stars and thank you.

[1:23:35] Bryan Plopkin: Um, again, we end every episode with a quote, and this time it's the best quote we've ever done. It is, of course, are you scared we're on live?

[1:23:47] Kevin Jaeger: Next week's quote because we will be live.

[1:23:51] Hayley Podschun: Yeah, um, Hayley, thanks for giving us your scared we're on live.

[1:23:57] Bryan Plopkin: Uh thank you so much for joining us again. Um, and as we end every episode, we raise a glass and we say zoo to fears.

[1:24:10] All: Thank you, everybody.