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[0:00] Bryan Plosky: Hey Kimberly, where's Kevin?

[0:01] Kimberly: We're about to start the episode.

[0:02] Bryan Plosky: Oh, he's eating ice cream working on a new Kevin's Corner question.

[0:06] Kimberly: He really gets sucked down some strange rabbit holes with those questions.

[0:09] Bryan Plosky: Yeah, but I think we can make it even stranger and really challenge Kevin while he's not here.

[0:14] Kimberly: Really?

[0:15] Bryan Plosky: How?

[0:15] Kimberly: What do we do?

[0:16] Bryan Plosky: Not us, Kimberly, but our listeners of the show.

[0:20] Kimberly: Oh, hey guys.

[0:21] Bryan Plosky: Hi.

[0:21] Kimberly: I know you're out there.

[0:22] Bryan Plosky: Well, because you're listening right now.

[0:24] Kimberly: So listen up because we've got a way for you to be featured in Kevin's Corner and win $50.

[0:30] Bryan Plosky: That's right, $50 in free Gold Star Cash.

[0:34] Kimberly: We call this contest Kevin's Cornered.

[0:37] Bryan Plosky: Can you come up with the most random and hilarious fact about absolutely anything that Kevin will have to use in an upcoming Kevin's Corner segment?

[0:45] Kimberly: If you can, you could win $50 in free Gold Star Cash.

[0:49] Bryan Plosky: Here's how to enter.

[0:50] Kimberly: Step one.

[0:51] Bryan Plosky: Dive down those Wikipedia rabbit holes and come up with the zaniest, craziest, most hilarious fact you can about absolutely anything.

[0:58] Kimberly: Step two.

[0:59] Bryan Plosky: Log onto Facebook and like Gold Star's Facebook page.

[1:02] Kimberly: Then step three.

[1:04] Bryan Plosky: Post your hilarious and crazy random fact on Gold Star's Facebook post about this very episode with the hashtag Kevin's Cornered.

[1:11] Kimberly: If you successfully followed all three steps, you'll be officially entered.

[1:15] Bryan Plosky: Our friends at Gold Star will randomly pick the winner, and that person will receive $50 in free Gold Star cash and have their fact featured in an upcoming Kevin's Corner segment.

[1:26] Kimberly: Brian, Kevin's coming!

[1:27] Bryan Plosky: Okay, listeners, you know what to do.

[1:28] Kimberly: Win that cash and help us corner Kevin with a zany fact.

[1:32] Bryan Plosky: The winner will be picked next Monday.

[1:34] Kimberly: And now you're regularly scheduled, Broadwaysted.

[1:37] Bryan Plosky: Hey, that's us.

[1:43] Kimberly: Did you bring wine?

[1:44] Bryan Plosky: I got the glasses.

[1:46] Kimberly: You guys I made a quiz.

[1:47] Bryan Plosky: No, I didn't bring anything, but I hear it but welcome to the official Broadwaysted Podcast, where we're drunk on theater.

[2:03] Bryan Plosky: I'm your host, Bryan Plosky, and welcome to the pod.

[2:05] Bryan Plosky: We are here, and if you take a quick gander over there, no, it's not Dustin Diamond, but it is Screech.

[2:11] Bryan Plosky: Call me Big Turk because I'm one of the smarties who bring all the thrills, you crazy aerial malt teaser.

[2:17] Bryan Plosky: That's my guess. We'll find out later.

[2:19] Bryan Plosky: Wish me good puck, because with five mothers, we'll have to make a toast to my moms.

[2:25] Bryan Plosky: Feelings are important, so don't take your lesbian moms to Hooters.

[2:29] Bryan Plosky: We're on the edge with our blankets and bedding, but without a sleepover.

[2:33] Bryan Plosky: Maybe a costume party?

[2:35] Bryan Plosky: Something's missing though.

[2:36] Bryan Plosky: Ah!

[2:37] Bryan Plosky: Joining us today are the usual backyard grill stealers who are on the bus, including Kevin Palomine Jager.

[2:44] Kevin Jager: Good job.

[2:45] Kevin Jager: I was thinking, what would I do for myself? And it would be me and the Bri.

[2:50] Kevin Jager: I ruined all good faith I had.

[2:53] Bryan Plosky: Kimberly, our game master and unofficial babysitter for the hour.

[2:57] Kimberly: Hello, drink responsibly.

[2:58] Bryan Plosky: Thank you. Uh, with us today are the uh writing power couple of My Mother's Lesbian Jewish Wiccan Wedding. They also wrote a little Tony-winning musical called Come From Away. Let's give a big Broadwaysted welcome to Friends of the Show.

[3:07] Bryan Plosky: Friends of the show!

[3:11] Irene Sankoff: You guys weren't drinking, that's so exciting.

[3:14] David Hein: Welcome.

[3:19] Irene Sankoff: Welcome.

[3:20] David Hein: Thank you.

[3:20] Irene Sankoff: Thank you for joining us.

[3:21] David Hein: We're thrilled to be here.

[3:22] Irene Sankoff: Did you recognize some of those songs?

[3:24] David Hein: Yes.

[3:25] Irene Sankoff: Did anyone else recognize all of those songs?

[3:28] David Hein: That was like an introduction just for us.

[3:30] Irene Sankoff: No, no, it was.

[3:31] David Hein: No, I know, I know.

[3:34] Irene Sankoff: We're gonna listen to it and enjoy it, and everyone else will be confused.

[3:37] David Hein: Yeah, that's usually what happens.

[3:38] Irene Sankoff: No, totally.

[3:39] David Hein: That's very unlocked.

[3:39] Irene Sankoff: But then they have to like they have to Google manhole.

[3:42] David Hein: No, no.

[3:43] Irene Sankoff: Manhole rabbit hole.

[3:44] David Hein: Oh, yeah, there we go.

[3:45] Irene Sankoff: Oh, yeah. I mean, you could go into a manhole, but you won't discover anything.

[3:48] David Hein: Unless it's enchanted and you go down into that other world.

[3:52] Irene Sankoff: Or you're a ninja turtle.

[3:53] David Hein: Yeah, so I'm super happy we got that out of the way.

[3:58] Irene Sankoff: The ninja turtle reference.

[3:59] David Hein: I'm super happy we're talking about ninja turtles.

[4:01] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, this is great.

[4:01] David Hein: We can keep talking about that.

[4:02] Bryan Plosky: Um you can follow them on social media at SankoffHein, right?

[4:06] Irene Sankoff: Correct.

[4:06] David Hein: Yeah.

[4:07] Bryan Plosky: Um, and uh let's just start with what are you drinking?

[4:07] Kimberly: What are you drinking?

[4:12] Irene Sankoff: We're all drinking something different. This is exciting.

[4:14] David Hein: Yes.

[4:14] Irene Sankoff: I'll start. I'm drinking the Tanteo Jalapeno, my new standard. So spicy, so good. I love it.

[4:20] David Hein: Like a month straight.

[4:22] Irene Sankoff: I'm drinking the man-can rosé, which is also coming my MO. I love this man-can stuff.

[4:25] David Hein: Tango Ray and Tonic. And I put a splash of bitters in as well.

[4:33] Irene Sankoff: Super fans today.

[4:34] David Hein: Oh, I'm drinking rum because uh we drink a lot of rum.

[4:39] Irene Sankoff: Uh come from away. What kind of rum am I drinking? It's Flor de Caña.

[4:44] David Hein: Yeah, Caña.

[4:44] Irene Sankoff: Uh, diet coke.

[4:46] David Hein: Florida splasher.

[4:47] Irene Sankoff: It wears crazy sunglasses. Um fun fact about uh Newfoundland is that uh the reason Newfoundland loves rum so much is they traded all of their fish down to uh down to the Caribbean, and the Caribbean traded rum back to the fair trade.

[5:02] David Hein: Yeah, fair trade, right?

[5:03] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, they had a lot of rum, it was good.

[5:06] David Hein: Um I am drinking a vodka soda with Reyka from Iceland.

[5:11] Irene Sankoff: That was well said because I can't say it, but Kevin taught me how to say it.

[5:14] David Hein: I did.

[5:16] Irene Sankoff: I think it's a reminder.

[5:19] David Hein: So I was like I always say recky.

[5:22] Irene Sankoff: Because he thinks it's Rakyovic.

[5:23] David Hein: That's what I think.

[5:24] Irene Sankoff: Oh yeah, like trip.

[5:26] David Hein: Yeah.

[5:26] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[5:26] David Hein: But that's what we're drinking.

[5:27] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, yeah.

[5:28] David Hein: With orange juice.

[5:29] Irene Sankoff: With some OJ.

[5:31] David Hein: With the chocolate can and no pulp.

[5:33] Irene Sankoff: No, it's a screwdriver.

[5:34] David Hein: Yeah, that's a screwdriver.

[5:35] Irene Sankoff: No.

[5:36] David Hein: With club soda.

[5:37] Irene Sankoff: It's a screwdriver with club soda, essentially.

[5:38] David Hein: Yeah.

[5:39] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[5:39] David Hein: Yeah.

[5:39] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, because you need a little sparkle.

[5:41] David Hein: For sure.

[5:42] Irene Sankoff: Everything needs a little sparkle.

[5:43] David Hein: Absolutely.

[5:44] Bryan Plosky: As we've learned here uh on Broadwaysted, uh, glitterally everything needs a little sparkle.

[5:49] Irene Sankoff: Literally.

[5:50] David Hein: But cheers.

[5:51] Bryan Plosky: Thanks for joining us.

[5:52] Irene Sankoff: Cheers, cheers.

[5:52] David Hein: Thanks for having me.

[5:53] Bryan Plosky: Of course. But before we start anything, we have a gift for you.

[5:59] Irene Sankoff: Well, it's not from us, but it's from uh Linda, one of our fan of the show, listeners of the show, Superman.

[6:05] David Hein: Linda from Canada?

[6:06] Irene Sankoff: Yes, Linda from Canada.

[6:08] David Hein: Oh my god.

[6:08] Irene Sankoff: I know Linda.

[6:11] David Hein: Oh, everyone in Canada knows each other?

[6:12] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[6:14] David Hein: Great.

[6:14] Irene Sankoff: There's five of us.

[6:15] David Hein: Um we have a bag full of goodies.

[6:17] Bryan Plosky: That's a pretty good thing.

[6:18] David Hein: Wait, it has wheels.

[6:20] Irene Sankoff: It is.

[6:22] David Hein: Yes, it is.

[6:24] Irene Sankoff: So I'm back to shoppers.

[6:25] David Hein: Shoppers Drug Mart.

[6:26] Irene Sankoff: And what did we get?

[6:27] David Hein: And what did we get there?

[6:28] Irene Sankoff: It has wheels on the bottom. So this segment is called Teach Us About Canadian Candy.

[6:34] David Hein: Okay.

[6:35] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[6:36] David Hein: Your professor.

[6:37] Irene Sankoff: You sent us a picture of that bag, and I did not understand it was that big.

[6:40] David Hein: Yeah.

[6:41] Irene Sankoff: So these are things you can't get in America.

[6:43] David Hein: What are these?

[6:44] Irene Sankoff: Those are all dressed Ruffles.

[6:46] David Hein: What does that mean?

[6:47] Irene Sankoff: It means that.

[6:49] David Hein: It's like it.

[6:52] Irene Sankoff: It's all dressed. It's literally everything. There's a picture of salt and gender and a pepper and onion and uh it's it it's all the flavors.

[7:00] David Hein: So what are we dressed chip? Like you have your salad dressed, like you would should I dress this?

[7:04] Irene Sankoff: We have ketchup?

[7:05] David Hein: Ketchup chips are the best.

[7:07] Irene Sankoff: That was a thing here for a little bit.

[7:09] David Hein: Then what happened?

[7:10] Irene Sankoff: No, I had one in middle school.

[7:12] David Hein: My fingers are gonna get hard.

[7:15] Irene Sankoff: So it's just like ketchup flavored chips.

[7:17] David Hein: Yeah.

[7:18] Irene Sankoff: But it's not barbecue. It's very it's different.

[7:19] David Hein: It's great if you're gonna have one.

[7:21] Irene Sankoff: We have President's Choice, the decadent chocolate cookies.

[7:26] David Hein: Oh my goodness, so great.

[7:29] Irene Sankoff: This is all going home with you, so be very happy for you.

[7:32] David Hein: Oh my god.

[7:33] Irene Sankoff: We have Christmas.

[7:35] David Hein: Oh wow, you can't get those here.

[7:37] Irene Sankoff: Wow, I guess.

[7:39] David Hein: What is it?

[7:39] Irene Sankoff: Christmas.

[7:40] David Hein: Well, it's not quite a chip, and it's not quite a cracker.

[7:45] Irene Sankoff: So they're like wheat tortilla chips.

[7:46] David Hein: Oh no, they're like those ripped chips.

[7:48] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, but they and then they have at their intense baked coffee crisp.

[7:52] David Hein: Oh my god.

[7:53] Irene Sankoff: If you put those in the freezer, really good.

[7:57] David Hein: Okay.

[7:59] Irene Sankoff: I was waiting for step two, and then I was like, oh no, you just put them in the freezer.

[8:02] David Hein: Put these in the freezer.

[8:03] Irene Sankoff: Uh-huh.

[8:04] David Hein: And then at the end of the episode, we'll break them out.

[8:05] Irene Sankoff: Perfect.

[8:06] David Hein: Okay.

[8:06] Irene Sankoff: So I'm gonna write a note so we don't forget.

[8:08] David Hein: I'm gonna go ahead and endorse the all-dressed chips.

[8:10] Irene Sankoff: Right?

[8:11] David Hein: Very good.

[8:12] Irene Sankoff: Right? It was a great mistake.

[8:13] David Hein: Okay.

[8:14] Irene Sankoff: The ripples are good.

[8:15] David Hein: We have Granny's pecans.

[8:16] Irene Sankoff: You did it!

[8:19] David Hein: What the heck?

[8:21] Irene Sankoff: Oh my gosh.

[8:23] David Hein: Joe Louie.

[8:24] Irene Sankoff: Oh, it's Louis.

[8:25] David Hein: It's Joe Louis.

[8:26] Irene Sankoff: I don't know.

[8:26] David Hein: It looks French, but it just says Joe Louis.

[8:28] Irene Sankoff: Do you guys not know about Joe Louis?

[8:30] David Hein: No, what is it?

[8:30] Irene Sankoff: No, they looks like a Dunkin' Donut box.

[8:32] David Hein: It's big in Montreal when my dad was growing up.

[8:35] Irene Sankoff: It looks like a double dog.

[8:36] David Hein: It's like a chocolate hostess covered with chocolate.

[8:40] Irene Sankoff: I don't know.

[8:41] David Hein: Canadian.

[8:41] Irene Sankoff: It looks, I mean, it looks very nice to be.

[8:43] David Hein: No, this is a this you get one of these.

[8:45] Irene Sankoff: It looks like a hostess cupcake empanada.

[8:47] David Hein: But the way that it's saved.

[8:50] Irene Sankoff: Oh my gosh.

[8:52] David Hein: Oh, the Canadian kind of smarts.

[8:54] Irene Sankoff: She actually Lynn actually brought these to us at BroadwayCon when I was a little bit more.

[8:56] David Hein: Yeah, I've had them now.

[8:57] Irene Sankoff: These are very good.

[8:58] David Hein: And it was confusing, so I expected Smarties to be the American.

[9:00] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[9:01] David Hein: Right.

[9:03] Irene Sankoff: Those are rockets.

[9:04] David Hein: Right.

[9:07] Irene Sankoff: The ones I butchered in the opening.

[9:09] David Hein: Arrow?

[9:10] Irene Sankoff: Irene is very.

[9:11] David Hein: I'm obsessed with them.

[9:12] Irene Sankoff: Those are I growing up, those were the dancer chocolate bars because they were the lowest calorie.

[9:20] David Hein: They're so good.

[9:21] Irene Sankoff: Were you a dancer to start out?

[9:22] David Hein: I was. In high school, I was a dance major and was gonna go into dance uh for university and then ended up taking like three three other majors at least.

[9:31] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[9:31] David Hein: Oh, great.

[9:31] Irene Sankoff: What was your like your favorite style?

[9:33] David Hein: My favorite style. I did mostly jazz. Um I absolutely love tap. Um I was in an African dance company in high school called Exaltation, and they were awesome. Like I still think of the choreography they did, and I'm like, wow, where'd those girls go?

[9:47] Irene Sankoff: Oh, one of them's uptown at steps, actually.

[9:49] David Hein: Oh yeah, yeah.

[9:50] Irene Sankoff: So one day I went in and took class with her, and I was like, I'm 16 again!

[9:54] David Hein: Oh my god.

[9:57] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[9:58] David Hein: Um, these are roller glows.

[10:02] Irene Sankoff: Can you taste the bubbles?

[10:03] David Hein: No, yeah.

[10:04] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[10:05] David Hein: I wanted to be an islander after seeing Come From Away, but like now I definitely want to be an islander because this is a mixed thing.

[10:11] Irene Sankoff: That's me.

[10:11] David Hein: I'm gonna put on my hat.

[10:13] Irene Sankoff: Oh my god.

[10:14] David Hein: Wow!

[10:15] Irene Sankoff: Where did you get that?

[10:16] David Hein: Um, I have a very good friend who lives and is from uh Cape Breton.

[10:20] Irene Sankoff: That's fantastic.

[10:21] David Hein: And um she visited New York for the first time a couple of like a month ago, and um she g her gift to me was this hat.

[10:29] Irene Sankoff: That's amazing.

[10:31] David Hein: Um so it it's for anyone who can't see this is a bright yellow Southwester as portrayed in Come From Away, um, which sailors wear, or also you often wear when you're screeching someone in.

[10:41] Irene Sankoff: Or the Morton man, right?

[10:42] David Hein: Yes, I sell fish sticks.

[10:45] Irene Sankoff: Yeah. Well, I continue to call shot chips. While we eat and crunch, we're gonna do something called mailbag.

[10:51] Kimberly: Mailbag.

[10:52] Bryan Plosky: This is also from Linda.

[10:54] Irene Sankoff: Saint Linda from Canada.

[10:56] Bryan Plosky: Same Linda.

[10:57] Irene Sankoff: I love Linda.

[10:58] Bryan Plosky: Here we go.

[10:59] Linda: Hi, Broadwaysted. Thanks for being my Tuesday morning.

[11:01] Bryan Plosky: Hi, hi.

[11:03] Linda: Thanks for being my Tuesday morning pickup.

[11:06] Bryan Plosky: However, there's been a miscarriage of justice on the show.

[11:11] Linda: Thank you. Episode 102. Dirty Hands on a Hard Body. The category was disciples.

[11:14] Bryan Plosky: Uh-huh.

[11:16] Linda: Brian was eliminated for saying William. Apostles are the 12 plus Saint Paul. Disciples are any of the followers of Christ. So it's possible that there's a disciple named William.

[11:30] Bryan Plosky: Interesting, Linda.

[11:32] Linda: Maybe you meant the category to be apostles, but earlier in the game, Kevin said Luke.

[11:39] Bryan Plosky: Uh-huh.

[11:39] Linda: Luke was one of the four evangelists, but not an apostle. So if you meant apostles, then Kevin should have been eliminated.

[11:46] Bryan Plosky: Uh-huh.

[11:46] Linda: I mentioned this because at Broadway Con, Kevin and I discussed our mutual Catholic school upbringing.

[11:52] Kevin Jager: We did.

[11:53] Linda: By Podcast Justice.

[11:55] Bryan Plosky: This new segment is called Podcast Justice!

[11:59] Linda: Brian should be given the win and all prizes given to the winner.

[12:02] Bryan Plosky: Sorry, Kevin.

[12:04] Kevin Jager: No.

[12:05] Bryan Plosky: We don't get to retroactively make you win.

[12:08] Kevin Jager: You win everything.

[12:08] Bryan Plosky: That's true.

[12:09] Linda: Other thoughts. Lift the embargo on Aaron Albano.

[12:12] Bryan Plosky: Okay, sure.

[12:13] Linda: Chasing Liberty does not get the respect it deserves.

[12:17] Bryan Plosky: Oh, Linda, wait till you hear last week's episode.

[12:20] Kevin Jager: Yeah.

[12:21] Linda: Jeremy Jordan's musical about Brian and Bacon went to a Winston Bishop level.

[12:25] Bryan Plosky: A la the new new girl.

[12:27] Linda: Yeah. Linda Lee, hashtag Lamb. And uh thank you so much, Linda.

[12:30] Bryan Plosky: Thanks, Linda.

[12:32] Kevin Jager: Thanks, Linda.

[12:33] Bryan Plosky: Thanks for watching. And I'm sorry that we I'm sorry that we made a mistake during one of our drunken games.

[12:37] Kimberly: I'm sorry we were drunk and couldn't remember a Catholic upbringing.

[12:41] David Hein: You guys were all Come From Away.

[12:42] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[12:43] David Hein: I would say that you did a good job.

[12:44] Bryan Plosky: Thanks, man.

[12:46] David Hein: Um and now you can go on living the rest of your life, knowing that we're going to be able to do that.

[12:49] Irene Sankoff: That Broadwaysted gave you a thumbs up.

[12:52] David Hein: Yeah. But it's been, you know, it's been a while with this whole, with the entire process from beginning to where we are right now, from this point in your linear journey, if we want to call it that. What are you feeling? What are some words that come to your head?

[13:05] Irene Sankoff: Honestly, uh it's starting to be real life. Like it's starting to be like I hesitate to use the word normal because what is normal and all that kind of stuff. But it's a lot of baggage with that word, and I don't really like it. But like I'm starting to be less like what the f every day. Like I'm starting to be like, okay, this is my day. This is what's in it. Alright. Like, yeah. Like I'm it's less like. I'm not. I met with that guy. It's still amazing. I mean, we're we're about to open our North American tour, we're about to uh go to Dublin and London, we're about to go to Australia.

[13:39] David Hein: That's so cool.

[13:40] Irene Sankoff: It's not easy. You're right. But like every day. It's not, it's weird. It's not wonderful.

[13:45] David Hein: Yeah, but I'm starting to be like, okay, how do I explain it? You're embracing the crazy as you really like. And that's what happens every day. Like what happens today? Something nuts. You know, like I'm not like, oh my god, I'm not prepared for this. I'm like, what nuts is coming at me today? Okay, good. Let's just go.

[14:00] Irene Sankoff: Yeah. I mean, there's there's a weird balance of waking up every day and being like, I can't believe we get to do this every day. We get to talk about Newfoundland and people being wonderful and nice and what a gift for, you know and and and seeing the show and our actors and our you know our amazing team uh changing the world you know for audiences every day and at the same time we know what the story is and the story is this incredible story of kindness and so we're that's not surprising that that story it resonated with us the same way that it's resonating with audiences we're just really grateful that it's um that it continues to resonate with people and uh it you know makes people want to be better and makes people want to you know come together and and give us Canadian treats and you're totally missing the couple, obviously.

[14:48] David Hein: But maybe people don't know that.

[14:50] Irene Sankoff: Um but now we're telling them here on this podcast. We're breaking news. What's your process like as two people who are always together? Work life balance and the actual work in terms of how you balance the work because you all kind of do everything, yes no?

[15:05] David Hein: Yeah, we share it's absolutely true.

[15:07] Irene Sankoff: You share everything.

[15:08] David Hein: We have this uh like we start talking everything over and and going through it a lot and going on a lot of walks and um and trying to break everything down, and then we also you know go in our separate spaces and figure out stuff and submit, make you know, say, hey, I wrote something, what do you think? Here's what I was working on.

[15:24] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, I learned something in school, and that was um when you're working on something new, before you present it to someone, you tell them what it was you're working on specifically, like you know, a song, a song for Beverly Bass. Um what do you want feedback on? Like, you know, like you know, like do we think we're going in the right direction, telling a life story, or should it be more to do with the events that are going on in the town? What do you think of the content of the song? That's what I'm looking for feedback on. Not on rhymes, not on you know what I mean?

[15:54] David Hein: Yeah, yeah. Because those can all change later, but are we even going in the right direction? Um, and then we have to say how we think it went. Like, you know, I went I was doing this for two weeks and it sucks and I hate it. So, you know, is this salvageable? Or I really, really love this, and I'm trying to make it work. So could you please, you know, leave the rhymes alone, look at the contents and you know, gosh, should this actually be sung by someone else? Whatever, you know what I mean? Like it's actually it's actually a really good um marriage tool if you're you know, if you've got a marriage device.

[16:23] Irene Sankoff: Yes, you know, instead of saying, you know, does this look good on me? You can say, Does this look good on me because I think this doesn't look good on me, and that's very different from does this look good on me? I think this looks great. You know, as a marriage tool, you know it it it encourages you to be able to do.

[16:36] David Hein: Everything looks good on you, don't worry.

[16:40] Irene Sankoff: Uh is um and at the same time, so we go from that, which is separate sort of separate rooms, to yes. But that is true, I think, especially in a creative marriage that you need to be because it can be so easy to nitpick each other's like something that they've loved. Um, because my husband does stand up and I do all of this stuff, so like he'll come to you like, here's a joke I wrote. And before I'm just like, I can nitpick so many things. Tell me, do you like it? Like, yeah, right. Um but you have someone you have someone who's honest with you and who loves you and and who you're committed to uh moving in the same direction and and working together, and uh that that's that's amazing.

[17:17] David Hein: Um we have a kitty named Gamba, which is a little town in Newfoundland. We also have a cat named Alpha Ba.

[17:23] Irene Sankoff: Uh what's that?

[17:23] David Hein: After funny, she is uh She's different.

[17:28] Irene Sankoff: I renamed her before we thought we had a musical theater career at all, and it would be embarrassing. And we might and we might meet Stephen Schwartz and have to tell him that our cat was named Alpha Bye.

[17:38] David Hein: Yeah, next time.

[17:39] Irene Sankoff: Yeah. These Christmas are incredible.

[17:41] David Hein: Right?

[17:41] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, I'm not a um not a cracker, not a chip, right?

[17:46] David Hein: Well I was right on the mic.

[17:47] Irene Sankoff: You're welcome. Anyway, so there's one scene, there's a scene. It was a scene where Alphabah um crawled on us and and like we were sitting together working on a computer. Just picturing Alpha Bugs. But like growing, yeah. So picture little needle paws. Like this. Um and she crawled on our like our internal arms and lay down on both both of our arms while we're sitting next to each other. And so we both had uh our external arms trying to type together and we became sort of a two-headed monster. And so that's what we eventually become is when we're working really heated to a two-headed monster that is like trying their best to write a screenplay and pound it out and working together.

[18:22] Bryan Plosky: So you had hinted at the fact that you started out your uh career, shall you say, as a dancer?

[18:27] David Hein: Yeah, and then came to being a writer. Can you both talk about like what path has led you from like loving plays or being creative to all of a sudden finding yourself being a writer?

[18:37] Irene Sankoff: Oh my god. Okay, focus. David, do you want to go first?

[18:40] David Hein: Yeah, I'll go first. So I always wanted to be a songwriter. Um I grew up on uh a ton of Canadian music, um uh especially a lot of Newfoundland music that I that I loved, and I always wanted to write songs and be a rock star and for a little while. Uh and I also love theater. I went so I I went to school, I I met Irene on the first day of university.

[19:02] Irene Sankoff: Oh sweet.

[19:03] David Hein: Yeah.

[19:05] Irene Sankoff: You're from Saskatchewan?

[19:06] David Hein: I'm from Saskatchewan, but I moved to Nailed it.

[19:08] Irene Sankoff: Nailed it.

[19:09] David Hein: Really?

[19:10] Irene Sankoff: Alright, I just looked at Wikipedia, but that's fine.

[19:12] David Hein: Because you have a Wikipedia page, but you don't know.

[19:15] Irene Sankoff: What the fuck?

[19:19] David Hein: I didn't want to be a good idea. But somebody made that for me. I didn't make it a Wikipedia.

[19:22] Irene Sankoff: So I was on his page, and you are clickable, but it doesn't go anywhere.

[19:26] David Hein: It's like where she's mentioned.

[19:28] Irene Sankoff: Which is like not okay.

[19:29] David Hein: And it I'm right.

[19:30] Irene Sankoff: What is up with that?

[19:31] David Hein: I don't know. That's weird.

[19:33] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, so I always wanted to write songs. And uh and so uh that and and there was a period when we were living down here in New York where uh where I wanted to write screenplays and I wanted to write a novel, and I was so I always wanted to be a writer. Um but uh and Irene uh performed with started as a dancer.

[19:49] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, um yeah, I can I can talk about myself now. Um I started off as a dancer. I was a dancer in a high school where dancer dances.

[20:03] David Hein: Uh dancer dances, yes, exactly.

[20:05] Irene Sankoff: Um give me a chance to come through.

[20:07] David Hein: Yeah.

[20:07] Irene Sankoff: Um uh I was a dance major at Earl Haig Secondary School in North York, Ontario.

[20:14] David Hein: Oh wow, my accent came back, Ontario.

[20:17] Irene Sankoff: That's great.

[20:17] David Hein: Um and then we drink every time the accent comes back.

[20:21] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, that's right. Let's jump. That's water. Hang on, I keep moving with water. It's so weird. Oh I'm back. Uh and then I wanted to be a dance major in university, but someone suggested to me, why don't you dance like on the side and be a theater major? You've already been a dance major for because we did five years of high school back then in Canada.

[20:39] David Hein: Oh wow, including grade 13.

[20:41] Irene Sankoff: Oh, yeah, it's a spooky grade. You skipped grade 13, you missed everything.

[20:47] David Hein: No, I I went to college and drank my asshole.

[20:52] Irene Sankoff: True. Okay, so then I became a theater major. Uh and then shortly afterwards, uh, my nephew was diagnosed with autism, and this was like back at the turn of the last century, before there was like much knowledge beyond Rain Man.

[21:05] David Hein: Yeah.

[21:05] Irene Sankoff: So I became a psychology major and was studying everything I could and um was you know training to come actually back down to the States to uh to go to a call uh so a school here to work with kids of autism, but then um I I added on a creative writing. I told you I'd had a lot of majors added on a creative writing major. So I was doing psychology and creative writing at the same time, which which frustrated like all of my professors because they were like, where is your focus and what are you doing and what's your paper and all that kind of stuff?

[21:36] David Hein: Um look at me now, professors!

[21:39] Irene Sankoff: I did really well. David will tell you, like I got four out of five hundred, like there was five hundred people in a class once, and I came in fourth, and I was really upset.

[21:46] David Hein: She's really smart.

[21:48] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[21:49] David Hein: You're very sweet.

[21:50] Irene Sankoff: Although our first our first collaboration was on Irene's screenwriting thesis, which she was she was like back to the wall on like her psychology thesis and her creative writing thesis.

[22:01] David Hein: Two theses.

[22:02] Irene Sankoff: You start forgetting which one you're working on and you start writing this like beautiful fun story for psychology.

[22:08] David Hein: Sorry, well, this do.

[22:10] Irene Sankoff: Very dark. Did that education in psychology really help you when you're like trying to like create characters and inform like how people react to each other and all that?

[22:18] David Hein: Yeah, absolutely.

[22:19] Irene Sankoff: Absolutely. Spoiler alert. It helps.

[22:21] David Hein: It helps.

[22:23] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, and then I um I missed being creative and performing, and so I did a uh graduate degree in acting, and uh and then we How do you not have a Wikipedia page? This is fascinating.

[22:34] David Hein: I know my page is like born in Saskatchewan, liked music, did music. Married Irene, who you can't click on.

[22:44] Irene Sankoff: Don't click there, yeah.

[22:45] David Hein: Um yeah, and then we were back in Toronto, and uh David was being a singer-songwriter and and going all over the place, and we both had day jobs that were you know how it is. And um I was still trying to act, and we never saw each other, and so we said let's combine our forces and write a show together. And the show we wrote was My Mother's Lesbian Jewish Wiccan Wedding.

[23:05] David Hein: And we put it on the fringe, and uh like immediately the biggest producer in Canada was like, Hey kids, do you wanna he didn't talk like that? But yeah, yes. This seems like an obvious commercial title.

[23:17] Irene Sankoff: So you know and we had to quit our we had to quit our day jobs and uh the worst putting your day job to do it together.

[23:26] David Hein: Oh my god. I mean, it was you know, you you you do this because you have to commit sort of wholeheartedly to it, and then and then you get to the end of the run, and and it it was it was a really good run, and then you get to the end of the run and and you're not sure where to go next because you've quit your day job, and you're like, wait, wait, could we could we can I come back to that just for a little while until I figure out my next musical?

[23:46] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we were you know, we were musical theater writers who didn't have a back catalog, didn't have a you know, a million punk songs, didn't have um, we're trying to trying to sort ourselves out all of a sudden, and that's how we came to the story Come From Away.

[24:01] Bryan Plosky: Well, let's play a game.

[24:04] Irene Sankoff: Okay, yeah.

[24:04] David Hein: I made one up.

[24:06] Irene Sankoff: Woo!

[24:08] David Hein: So this game is called The Last Word.

[24:11] Irene Sankoff: So I'm gonna read the last word of a lyric of an entire song.

[24:15] David Hein: Okay, from the musical theater canon.

[24:18] Irene Sankoff: Oh, sorry. Musical theater canon.

[24:20] David Hein: Huh?

[24:20] Irene Sankoff: From the whole musical theater.

[24:22] David Hein: Yeah.

[24:22] Irene Sankoff: Can we do a Canadian folk music game?

[24:25] David Hein: No.

[24:25] Irene Sankoff: No, no, no.

[24:29] David Hein: I thought you were too much better.

[24:31] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, no one cares.

[24:33] David Hein: So ring the bell if you can name the song by just me reading the last word of the lyrics.

[24:38] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[24:38] David Hein: That will give you three points. If no one can get it from the last word, I will read the first word, and that will get you two points.

[24:40] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[24:40] David Hein: If no one can get either of those, I'll read the whole last sentence.

[24:50] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[24:50] David Hein: And that gets you one point.

[24:52] Irene Sankoff: I love it.

[24:52] David Hein: Okay, yeah. Alright, we're ready.

[24:53] Irene Sankoff: We're ready.

[24:53] David Hein: The first song, the last word is presto.

[24:53] Irene Sankoff: Is a spoken word.

[24:59] David Hein: Perellies?

[25:00] Bryan Plosky: No.

[25:01] David Hein: Brian's out.

[25:01] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[25:01] David Hein: No, we're not.

[25:03] Irene Sankoff: You're not out.

[25:04] David Hein: Yes again. The first word is you.

[25:07] Irene Sankoff: The last sentence is magical mystery.

[25:23] Bryan Plosky: Oh, she got it.

[25:25] Kevin Jager: A point.

[25:26] Bryan Plosky: Alright, I got a point.

[25:27] Kimberly: One point.

[25:27] Bryan Plosky: Okay, second one.

[25:28] Kevin Jager: I'm getting crumbs off the table.

[25:29] Bryan Plosky: Last word.

[25:31] Kevin Jager: Last word is.

[25:32] Kimberly: Girls.

[25:33] Kevin Jager: Last word is girls.

[25:35] Bryan Plosky: Little girls.

[25:36] Kimberly: Yes.

[25:37] Bryan Plosky: Oh, anyway.

[25:39] Kevin Jager: The first word is little, so I thought that one was gonna be.

[25:42] Kimberly: That was a good one.

[25:42] Bryan Plosky: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[25:43] Kevin Jager: Okay, next.

[25:44] Bryan Plosky: Okay.

[25:45] Kevin Jager: Last word.

[25:46] Kimberly: Yep.

[25:47] Kevin Jager: Now.

[25:47] Bryan Plosky: That's like everything's gonna be.

[25:49] Kimberly: I know.

[25:50] Kevin Jager: This is a very hard game to create.

[25:52] Bryan Plosky: Oh, I imagine.

[25:52] Kevin Jager: Because I kept clicking on lyrics and I was like, the first word is it, the last word is uh.

[25:57] Bryan Plosky: Yeah, it's the same, it's the same rhymes.

[25:59] Kimberly: I love those sentences that end with the first word is make.

[26:05] Kevin Jager: The last sentence is let's see the next amazing thing.

[26:11] Bryan Plosky: Baking does now.

[26:14] Kimberly: It's what baking can do from Waitress.

[26:16] Kevin Jager: It is.

[26:17] Bryan Plosky: Okay, that is one point for you.

[26:19] David Hein: I had a weird Waitress experience. I was very excited to go see Waitress, and I thought it started at eight, and it started at seven. And there's my lovely friend who's just more interested in seeing me and then seeing the show, waiting in the lobby, being like, hi, and I'm like, hi, where is everybody? Why isn't it crowded? And she's like, oh well, you know, it started half an hour ago. And so we go and we take our seats. And you know, we're those people.

[26:40] Bryan Plosky: Yeah, we should have them.

[26:41] David Hein: And then I get a text at intermission saying that fellow Canadian Michael J. Fox is at our show. So I take my pie and my wine and my friend, and we run over to our theater and see it.

[26:55] Kevin Jager: What's funny about you coming a half hour late to Waitress is if you came a half hour late to your show, you would have missed most of it.

[27:02] Bryan Plosky: What? What's happening? What is this?

[27:04] Kevin Jager: It's an efficient show.

[27:05] Bryan Plosky: It's like ketchup chips.

[27:08] Kevin Jager: Yeah, yeah.

[27:08] Bryan Plosky: I'm going back to Waitress.

[27:11] Kimberly: Anyway, next.

[27:11] Kevin Jager: Primary attention.

[27:12] Bryan Plosky: Yes.

[27:12] Kevin Jager: Um the last word is life.

[27:16] Bryan Plosky: The first word is this.

[27:21] Kimberly: I know.

[27:22] Kevin Jager: Okay, the last sentence is it's easy as it's easy as life from Aida.

[27:28] Bryan Plosky: Yeah.

[27:29] Kevin Jager: The last word is saints.

[27:32] Bryan Plosky: The first word is the most, because the I wasn't gonna give you the most.

[27:37] Kimberly: I forgot the last word.

[27:39] Kevin Jager: Saints.

[27:40] Bryan Plosky: I didn't know these were the first words of this song.

[27:42] Kimberly: Okay.

[27:43] Kevin Jager: Um the last sentence is of Latter-day Saints.

[27:47] Bryan Plosky: Oh, what song is it?

[27:49] Kimberly: Is it hello?

[27:50] Kevin Jager: No.

[27:51] Kimberly: Oh, it's um you're not gonna be.

[27:52] Kevin Jager: No, that's my guess.

[27:53] Bryan Plosky: Alright. What's it called?

[27:54] Kevin Jager: Is it two by two?

[27:55] Kimberly: Two by two!

[27:57] Kevin Jager: I wouldn't have gotten the toilet.

[27:59] Bryan Plosky: Yeah. Next.

[28:00] Kevin Jager: Yep.

[28:00] Bryan Plosky: The last word is life.

[28:02] Kevin Jager: Again.

[28:03] Bryan Plosky: Uh huh.

[28:04] Kevin Jager: And I thought this was fun.

[28:05] Bryan Plosky: Okay, not fun.

[28:06] Kevin Jager: Is it uh feather on the roof of the highem?

[28:09] Bryan Plosky: Oh.

[28:10] Kevin Jager: No, but good.

[28:13] Bryan Plosky: I was very excited about that one.

[28:14] Kevin Jager: Let's shoot to that grandma gap.

[28:16] Bryan Plosky: Okay, half a point to have it.

[28:17] Kevin Jager: Yeah.

[28:21] Bryan Plosky: Was it a Canadian folk song that I didn't recollect?

[28:23] Kevin Jager: No.

[28:24] Bryan Plosky: Um I'm gonna go ahead and put it go like out and say that there's probably no Canadians.

[28:28] Kevin Jager: No, there's one song Rand High Canadians on here.

[28:31] Bryan Plosky: Oh yeah, there is.

[28:32] Kevin Jager: Oh giveaway!

[28:33] Bryan Plosky: Um the first word is sunlight.

[28:37] Kevin Jager: The last sentence is this real life.

[28:43] Bryan Plosky: Then spam it. Do you want to know the name of this song? Because you're all gonna laugh at yourselves.

[28:47] Kimberly: Yes, yes.

[28:47] Bryan Plosky: The song is called Is This Real Life from Tick Tick Boom.

[28:50] Kevin Jager: Boom.

[28:53] Bryan Plosky: That was just me listening to Tick Tick Boom today.

[28:55] Kevin Jager: Directed by Lin-Manuel Miranda.

[28:58] Bryan Plosky: Oh yes. That's why I was listening to it.

[29:01] Kevin Jager: Great.

[29:03] Bryan Plosky: Next.

[29:03] Kevin Jager: You have broken cardinal rule number one?

[29:07] Bryan Plosky: The last word is love.

[29:09] Kevin Jager: What I did for love.

[29:11] Bryan Plosky: No.

[29:14] Kevin Jager: Okay, yeah.

[29:15] Bryan Plosky: The first word is a simple.

[29:18] Kevin Jager: Sing a simple to yourself.

[29:19] Bryan Plosky: Is it um is it uh simple choice, nothing more?

[29:24] Kevin Jager: This or that either, or it's uh gimme gimme from Friendly Lily.

[29:28] Bryan Plosky: Wow, oh my god.

[29:29] Kevin Jager: Oh my god.

[29:30] Bryan Plosky: I knew someone was gonna get it from a second.

[29:32] Kevin Jager: I got you.

[29:33] Bryan Plosky: I'm hiding under this hat.

[29:35] Kimberly: Ready?

[29:36] Bryan Plosky: I am glad there's snacks.

[29:38] Kevin Jager: The last word is away.

[29:41] Bryan Plosky: The first word is run.

[29:45] Kevin Jager: Run away, run freedom, run!

[29:47] Bryan Plosky: Freedom, run away.

[29:48] Kevin Jager: Gotta run, run, and run, all, run.

[29:49] Bryan Plosky: Run, run, freedom.

[29:50] Kevin Jager: Next.

[29:50] Bryan Plosky: Yeah, okay.

[29:51] Kevin Jager: The last word is please.

[29:54] Bryan Plosky: Oh.

[29:55] Kevin Jager: Okay.

[29:56] Bryan Plosky: What's the first word?

[29:57] Kevin Jager: The first word is.

[29:58] Bryan Plosky: Wait, wait.

[29:59] Kevin Jager: Wait, is this stop the world?

[30:01] Bryan Plosky: Yeah!

[30:04] Kevin Jager: But you're gonna be able to do that.

[30:05] Bryan Plosky: I know my own songs.

[30:13] Kevin Jager: Three points.

[30:14] Bryan Plosky: We know cats and our own songs.

[30:18] Kevin Jager: That was the last one!

[30:20] Bryan Plosky: Yay!

[30:21] Kevin Jager: We're just warming up.

[30:22] Bryan Plosky: Okay, random side question. If the three of us Broadwaysted crew members, that's the three of us. We don't have anyone else. Right who does this? Right. Uh, were cast in a one-night only Broadway takeover of Wicked, who would each of us be?

[30:33] Kimberly: Oh, I would totally be Glinda.

[30:36] Bryan Plosky: Oh.

[30:36] Kimberly: Oh, you think?

[30:37] Bryan Plosky: I think so, because like I'm nice, but also not.

[30:41] Kevin Jager: You just described like Alpha Buck.

[30:43] Kimberly: Okay, I could be both.

[30:44] Bryan Plosky: No, that's a good one. What if I was like Jekyll and hiding it, but both characters?

[30:48] Kevin Jager: Done into it.

[30:49] Bryan Plosky: Great. Can we all Jekyll and Hide?

[30:51] Kevin Jager: Yeah.

[30:51] Bryan Plosky: Okay, let's all do it.

[30:52] Kimberly: Can I be Fiero and Madame Morrible?

[30:56] Kevin Jager: Ooh.

[30:57] Bryan Plosky: Oh interesting.

[30:58] Kevin Jager: Okay.

[30:58] Bryan Plosky: That's interesting because then Alphabet loves the person that also like tries to put her in a box.

[31:02] Kimberly: Exactly.

[31:03] Bryan Plosky: What's in the box?

[31:05] Kevin Jager: I would 100% be Nessa Rose and Bach.

[31:09] Bryan Plosky: Oh, interesting.

[31:10] Kevin Jager: Ooh, a one-on-one love story with yourself.

[31:12] Bryan Plosky: Yes.

[31:13] Kevin Jager: Nessa, I have something to confess.

[31:17] Bryan Plosky: Absolutely. In and out of the wheelchair. And then like in act two, spoiler alert, half of me would be silver, and the other half of me would be dead.

[31:25] Kevin Jager: It would be mean.

[31:26] Bryan Plosky: Oh, yes, mean and then dead.

[31:28] Kevin Jager: Yeah, right.

[31:28] Bryan Plosky: Well, that's a very difficult end of act two to play.

[31:32] Kevin Jager: No, then Bach just takes over the whole thing.

[31:35] Bryan Plosky: Probably.

[31:37] Kevin Jager: We actually see like the makeup artists doing it to you on stage, so it's like a whole like.

[31:40] Bryan Plosky: Yeah, it's one night only.

[31:41] Kevin Jager: Oh, I love it.

[31:42] Bryan Plosky: Yeah. Great. I think it's overtime.

[31:44] Kevin Jager: Yeah. Since we all agree, uh, how about this? How would we want people to get tickets to the show or any live event like Broadway shows, Broadway tours, comedy, dance, and and uh concert talks?

[31:54] Bryan Plosky: Oh, that's really easy. We all can say it together, right?

[31:56] Kevin Jager: Okay, sure.

[31:57] All: Goldstar!

[32:02] Bryan Plosky: Really, Kevin.

[32:04] Kevin Jager: Goldstar.

[32:05] Bryan Plosky: See, Brian, this is why we rehearse.

[32:07] Kevin Jager: Look, I may not be the best at improving, but Goldstar's customer services.

[32:11] Bryan Plosky: If your plans change, Goldstar is there to help you cancel or rebook.

[32:15] Kevin Jager: And just like that, Kevin's back in the game.

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[32:22] Kimberly: Oh, lowercase.

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[32:26] Bryan Plosky: Oh, uppercase.

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[32:38] Bryan Plosky: And check out goldstar.com backslash broadways.

[32:41] Kevin Jager: Kevin, I just said that line.

[32:43] Bryan Plosky: This is why we rehearse.

[32:44] Kevin Jager: Goldstar.

[32:45] Bryan Plosky: Because anything can happen live.

[32:47] Kevin Jager: So don't FOMO, bro.

[32:49] Kimberly: Well, at least you used FOMO, right?

[32:50] Kevin Jager: That's our Kevin.

[32:51] Bryan Plosky: And if we're in Wicked, can you learn?

[32:53] Kevin Jager: You have to learn two parts of lines.

[32:55] Bryan Plosky: Yeah, I mean, I think that most of my scenes will be together, so I'll just make it up for the long.

[33:00] Kevin Jager: There will be rehearsals.

[33:04] Bryan Plosky: Anyway, yeah. Um, well, we talked talked, we talked a lot about musicals. Do you have a favorite musical?

[33:07] David Hein: One of my favorites comes to mind because it's on Broadway right now, is uh Once on this Island, which we haven't seen yet because funny story.

[33:17] Bryan Plosky: You're busy with your musical?

[33:19] David Hein: No, because we're stupid. And we booked tickets for we we were trying to go on opening night. It was at eight and it was at seven?

[33:26] Bryan Plosky: Yeah, yeah, I know, exactly.

[33:27] David Hein: Right. And then we got the pie, and then we had the thing.

[33:31] Bryan Plosky: No, we put we thought we were booking tickets for opening night, and we were really excited because it's literally one of the.

[33:40] Kevin Jager: You bought them for a year out?

[33:41] David Hein: Yeah.

[33:42] Bryan Plosky: So when are you singing it?

[33:44] David Hein: Sometimes in two years. January or February.

[33:46] Bryan Plosky: Yeah.

[33:47] David Hein: We've got some really good stuff. We're very excited about it.

[33:52] Bryan Plosky: Maybe it's March.

[33:52] David Hein: Yeah, I think it's a good thing.

[33:56] Bryan Plosky: David, do you have a favorite musical?

[33:58] David Hein: Last Five Years or Into the Woods or Once was amazing.

[34:02] Bryan Plosky: Do you have a favorite Canadian folk song?

[34:04] David Hein: Again, probably too hard for him.

[34:05] Kevin Jager: Yeah.

[34:08] David Hein: Um I mean, we put Heave Away. What's funny about Heave Away in the middle um I'm covering away, uh, is we put it in uh and it's this like traditional song, which I know because I grew up on Newfoundland folk music. And everyone who comes to our show thinks, oh, this is a lovely traditional sounding song that they clearly wrote and put in here, but it's a traditional tune.

[34:33] Bryan Plosky: And um and when we did it out of Newfoundland when we brought the cast out there uh to do this benefit performance for everyone. Um what's that? Did everyone sing along?

[34:41] David Hein: Every we it was amazing. So we we did this performance in the uh in the in the world's largest walk-in refrigerator.

[34:48] Kevin Jager: Yeah.

[34:48] David Hein: Uh Caesar told us about that.

[34:51] Kevin Jager: The hockey arena.

[34:52] David Hein: And in the middle of it, we sing this traditional Newfoundland song, and and 5,000 people sang along with us, and we just started weeping. We it was it was amazing. It was this incredible experience of of uh reflecting someone's culture to them and saying we're celebrating you and we're saying you're extraordinary, and them singing back to you, and uh we we could not stop crying for like three days afterwards.

[35:16] Bryan Plosky: I love Irish folk music, and so during that song I was just like, were there a lot of Irish immigrants in Newfoundland? Because it's very similar music.

[35:23] David Hein: Yeah, and what's wonderful about it is uh they're all fishing communities around the coast, and they're all really they were originally really isolated. So there's some Irish music and Irish culture that uh that has been so isolated that it's actually more pure than Ireland.

[35:39] Bryan Plosky: Oh wow.

[35:39] David Hein: So it cut it dates back a long way.

[35:41] Bryan Plosky: So that's so cool.

[35:43] Kevin Jager: Well, you talk a lot about you know you guys travel to Gander a lot, right?

[35:47] David Hein: Yeah.

[35:48] Kevin Jager: Yeah. Well, we're gonna take you somewhere now. If that's okay with it. It's time to go somewhere.

[35:51] David Hein: Let's go.

[35:52] Kevin Jager: Okay, go somewhere.

[35:52] Bryan Plosky: So we're gonna go to Tuesdays in the corner with Kevin.

[35:59] Kevin Jager: Kevin's Corner. Welcome to Kevin's Corner, where I've have three highly researched questions that started off on David's Wikipedia page and quickly spiraled into a very different location. So um I hope you're able to keep up because it they're really brilliant questions.

[36:14] David Hein: Okay.

[36:16] Kevin Jager: Today's Kevin's Corner is dedicated to famous Canadians.

[36:20] David Hein: Oh they're here.

[36:23] Kevin Jager: Or at least that's at least at least that's how it starts out.

[36:26] David Hein: Okay.

[36:26] Kevin Jager: Okay. Whenever I ride the subway on a particularly hot day, I say a silent thank you to the man from Upper Canada who invented a system of heating and cooling railway coaches that was put to use by several US railway companies, Mr. Henry Ritan.

[36:39] David Hein: Mr. Henry Cavill, on the other hand, is a British actor who invented this system for being really hot and making it awkward for me in 2006 when in college I took a girl on a date to see 2006 Tristan and his old and basically drooled the whole time over Henry and his co-star James Franco.

[36:58] Kevin Jager: Franco Dragone is a Belgian theater director known for his work with Celine Dion who gets a shout out from Celine on her DVD of her Vegas concert when he choreographed all the sexy scantily clad male dancers to writhe around Celine while she's sitting in a fancy chair.

[37:13] Bryan Plosky: Sweeney Todd also has a fancy chair and a lava and a lava bow which is defined as a washing trough but sounds like a molten hot ranged weapon for shooting long shafted projectiles called arrows.

[37:26] Kevin Jager: A lava bow get it I gotta love it.

[37:28] Bryan Plosky: So my question is if you were suddenly transported to Middle Earth the land of the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit tales I'm with you. What kind of creature would you be would you be an elf an orc and a hobbit a wizard all those things. So what kind of creature would you be and what would your weapon be can I have a man can now she's like I want to go where he is want one yeah yeah for sure.

[38:01] Irene Sankoff: So my friend had a birthday party at one point which was, we all had to take on, we had to, you know, become halflings or elfings, like cosplay. Yeah, it was like cosplay before cosplay. But so we went out in the woods and all the parents played orcs and knights and things like that, and we had swords with markers that we like attacked each other with, and healers could cross them out. And so I was a halfling scout.

[38:31] David Hein: So I would be a, a halfling is like a hobbit, and I actually think that hobbits are the closest thing to, they would play Newfoundland music and they would be, you know, they would have their hobbit holes and they would have kitchen parties and they would bring people in. And so my weapon would be like some sort of halfling hobbit mandolin.

[38:53] Kimberly: I love that.

[38:53] Bryan Plosky: That's awesome.

[38:53] Kevin Jager: You'd fight with a mandolin.

[38:54] Irene Sankoff: I love that.

[38:55] David Hein: Fight with your music.

[38:56] Bryan Plosky: What about you?

[38:57] Kevin Jager: I'd be a cat.

[38:59] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[39:00] Kevin Jager: I'm so glad we entered my world for a second there because I was doing terribly on the musical theater world for a second.

[39:06] Irene Sankoff: I love that it tells me.

[39:07] David Hein: I love that it took Kevin's corner to enter your world.

[39:11] Bryan Plosky: So you'd be a cat. What would your weapon be?

[39:13] Kevin Jager: Um, I think it would be my super stealthy ways.

[39:17] Irene Sankoff: Ooh, I like that.

[39:18] David Hein: You'd just be sneaky sneaky.

[39:19] Kevin Jager: A cat is its own weapon.

[39:20] Irene Sankoff: A cat is its own weapon.

[39:21] Bryan Plosky: So you made it through the first question. Let's see how you do on question two.

[39:25] David Hein: Canadian American comedian, writer, producer, political commentator, actress, and television host, Samantha Jamie B, is not just hilarious, she's a lovely person.

[39:35] Irene Sankoff: I didn't know she was Canadian.

[39:36] David Hein: She used to come into my restaurant where I worked at when I first moved to New York City for brunch with her family.

[39:41] Irene Sankoff: And number one, her kids were incredibly well behaved.

[39:44] David Hein: And number two, she was always kind and friendly.

[39:46] Irene Sankoff: And number three, she always left a great tip.

[39:49] David Hein: The tip goes Samantha.

[39:51] Irene Sankoff: Gok Samantha.

[39:52] David Hein: The tip of the iceberg is now a common phrase, but in 1912, seeing the tip of the iceberg could have changed the course of fate for Jack and Rose Dawson aboard the ill-fated maiden voyage of the Titanic.

[40:03] Irene Sankoff: They were not married.

[40:05] David Hein: Dreams of Steel is the fifth novel in Glenn Cook's ongoing series that combines elements of epic fantasy and dark fantasy.

[40:17] Irene Sankoff: So my question is what company of actors would you assemble to play the following roles in a fantasy musical adaptation of Star Wars: A New Hope?

[40:27] David Hein: Oh boy.

[40:28] Irene Sankoff: So the first one is A.

[40:29] David Hein: I love where we are.

[40:33] Irene Sankoff: So what Broadway actor would you pick to play Luke Skywalker?

[40:37] David Hein: Wait, oh, I still have to know Broadway things.

[40:41] Irene Sankoff: Who are an actor you hope can sing?

[40:42] David Hein: Can I just say our Come From Away team? Because they can do anything.

[40:45] Irene Sankoff: You can pick people from character to character to play anyone.

[40:50] David Hein: I would love Jen Callea to be Luke Skywalker.

[40:53] Irene Sankoff: That would be amazing.

[40:57] David Hein: Right?

[40:57] Irene Sankoff: Okay, so sing a song. Who would be Han Solo?

[41:00] David Hein: Right, yeah, yeah.

[41:00] Irene Sankoff: Who would be Han Solo?

[41:04] David Hein: Who would be Han Solo?

[41:05] Irene Sankoff: From our cast.

[41:07] David Hein: Chad Kimball.

[41:08] Irene Sankoff: I know who I would pick for Han Solo.

[41:10] David Hein: Chad's great from your cast for sure.

[41:12] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, but like in the whole Broadway world.

[41:14] David Hein: In the whole Broadway world, I might reach out for Andy Carl.

[41:16] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, that'd be that.

[41:19] David Hein: They could do all of them.

[41:20] Irene Sankoff: Um, and Steve Kazee.

[41:22] David Hein: He should be in there somewhere.

[41:23] Irene Sankoff: Oh, yeah.

[41:24] David Hein: What about Princess Leia?

[41:25] Irene Sankoff: Princess Leia.

[41:26] David Hein: Can our daughter, oh, oh, oh, I, and so either our daughter would love to play Princess Leia because she is a princess and loves playing princesses.

[41:35] David Hein: Right.

[41:35] Irene Sankoff: Um, but she refers to Kendra Cassenbaum as Princess Kendra because when we first were introducing the two of them, we showed her a picture of her as Glinda, and we were like, this is Princess Kendra, and Molly fell in love with her and was like, this is Princess Kendra, so I would see Kendra Cassenbaum as Princess Leia.

[41:56] David Hein: Who would be Darth Vader?

[41:57] Irene Sankoff: Peter, who runs the follow spot.

[42:04] David Hein: See?

[42:04] Irene Sankoff: And last but not least, who would play Chewbacca?

[42:04] David Hein: Oh, that's good.

[42:04] Irene Sankoff: Who would play Chewbacca?

[42:10] David Hein: Oh my god, it should be A.

[42:11] Irene Sankoff: Alpha Bot.

[42:12] David Hein: No.

[42:13] Irene Sankoff: Gino Carr, right?

[42:15] David Hein: Gino Carr would be fantastic.

[42:17] Irene Sankoff: I'm sure Gino does a great job in my own.

[42:20] David Hein: So do you, apparently.

[42:22] Irene Sankoff: So you're doing it.

[42:23] David Hein: We're putting you back on stage.

[42:24] Irene Sankoff: I'm in.

[42:24] David Hein: I'm in.

[42:25] Irene Sankoff: All right, there we go. Put me in, coach.

[42:26] David Hein: Okay, we're on to question three.

[42:28] Irene Sankoff: You think you can handle it?

[42:29] David Hein: I got this. Let's do this.

[42:30] Irene Sankoff: Perhaps the most distinguished and respected of all actresses from Canada, this special lady was inducted into Canada's Walk of Fame in 2006 for her career that included roles in films like Raw Justice and Barb Wire, parts on television shows, Home Improvement, Baywatch, and VIP, and rising to fame as Playmate of the Month in February 1990, Miss Pamela Denise Anderson.

[42:55] David Hein: Anderson Paak is the stage name of American rapper, songwriter, singer, drummer, and record producer Brendan or Brandon Paak Anderson, who has also performed under the pseudonym Breezy Lovejoy.

[43:08] Irene Sankoff: Oh wow.

[43:09] David Hein: Reverend Timothy Lovejoy is the minister at the First Church of Springfield on the animated television series The Simpsons, who has become somewhat apathetic toward others over the years due in part to Ned Flanders' constant badgering.

[43:22] Irene Sankoff: When I was eight years old, I played Badger in a children's production of The Wind in the Willows at the Cleveland Playhouse, and in one performance, I poked myself in the eye during a choreographed scene transition, and then spent the next scene subtly trying to tell my mom and the audience that I poked my eye.

[43:39] David Hein: Oh my god, I want to die.

[43:41] Irene Sankoff: There's videos of that, and I still very vividly remember after the show, my mom being like, you did a really great job. But just so you know, when something happens on stage, you have to wait after the show to tell me. You can't tell me during the show because other people can see you.

[43:54] David Hein: So my question is if you had to create a musical where all the letters of the alphabet come together for a yearly red letter party, only to discover that the idealistic, ingenious letter I has gone missing. So which three letters would be your lead characters? What would their personalities be? Or what letter would be ultimately discovered was responsible for the disappearance of letter I?

[44:22] Irene Sankoff: Well, for sure, Zed.

[44:23] David Hein: And Zed wears like a big cape and has like a mask.

[44:27] Irene Sankoff: Zed's a cool name.

[44:28] David Hein: That's good.

[44:29] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[44:29] David Hein: And does he do like Zorro, like he does the swish?

[44:31] Irene Sankoff: Yes.

[44:31] David Hein: Yeah, I'm okay. Great.

[44:32] Irene Sankoff: Who are the second characters?

[44:34] David Hein: I think A's his foil.

[44:36] Irene Sankoff: A is like the opposite of Zed.

[44:38] David Hein: Yeah, but and like, but like it's kind of a little bit like tight-assed and like, you know, like kind of like with like a.

[44:44] Irene Sankoff: Oh, like the type A personality.

[44:46] David Hein: Yeah.

[44:46] Irene Sankoff: It's just sort of like, that's wrong. Don't do that.

[44:48] David Hein: Yeah.

[44:49] Irene Sankoff: And then the third character who's like their comic relief.

[44:51] David Hein: It's like a G, maybe.

[44:53] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[44:53] David Hein: Like a G.

[44:54] Irene Sankoff: G is hilarious.

[44:55] David Hein: Can we have a Q be a sassy friend?

[44:57] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, of course.

[44:58] David Hein: For sure.

[44:59] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[45:00] David Hein: Yes, Queen.

[45:02] Irene Sankoff: And then who would ultimately be responsible for I's disappearance?

[45:06] David Hein: Zed.

[45:07] Irene Sankoff: Zed?

[45:07] David Hein: Yeah.

[45:08] Irene Sankoff: The whole time?

[45:09] David Hein: The whole time.

[45:09] Irene Sankoff: So wait, okay, so you made it your Kevin Corner, congratulations.

[45:12] David Hein: Thank you.

[45:12] Irene Sankoff: Now let's go back to the fact that you eloped.

[45:14] David Hein: Yeah.

[45:14] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[45:15] David Hein: Secret wedding.

[45:16] Irene Sankoff: Well, you can't elope.

[45:19] David Hein: Thank you.

[45:20] Irene Sankoff: How did that all happen?

[45:21] David Hein: So we were engaged over a year in advance.

[45:25] Irene Sankoff: Yep.

[45:25] David Hein: And it was right after 9/11.

[45:27] Irene Sankoff: And there was this whole seize the day feeling in New York.

[45:32] David Hein: There was a live for today, and of course a lot of people like had babies, quit their jobs.

[45:38] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, and we, I woke up one morning and I said, let's just get married. Let's get married on our pre-anniversary, and we went down to City Hall and we got married. And my cousin actually, my cousin who had been in the World Trade Center, but fortunately had got out, came to be our witness and she walked us down to Ground Zero and she showed us our way out, and it was the way that she had escaped. And it was this strange day of being, of celebrating our love but also seeing her horrible experience. And years later, we look at Come From Away and we look at this experience of celebrating Nick and Diane and the relationships that developed in our story set against the backdrop of this, and we realized we were back there.

[46:28] Kimberly: They are seriously one of the cutest love stories on Broadway. Like that it's just so sweet and honest and I just feel like everyone can always appreciate a romantic lead and like the ingenue falling in love. But like seeing like two very real people with like real life situations like sweetly fall like that almost like a first love kind of feeling to it.

[46:51] Irene Sankoff: It's really, really beautiful.

[46:52] David Hein: For like, for our NAT presentation actually, we had two younger actors play Nick and Diane.

[47:00] Irene Sankoff: I remember writing to them afterwards and being like, guys, we're gonna actually go with like the correct age, like the correct age that they were actually.

[47:00] David Hein: Right, yeah.

[47:00] Irene Sankoff: And I remember the actress wrote back and she said, she said, no, that totally makes sense. Like just reading the language and the things that she says, like it just, it doesn't make sense coming out of a younger person's mouth and it's gonna be great. And it's gonna be a little bit, and one of the things that we love about the show is that people come to it, these kids come to it who weren't even born at the time of 9/11 and they cheer for Nick and Diane, excited about Nick and Diane. What's that about? Great things, they love older people actually being in love. They clearly have the thing. I just, I think we're just so used to in our culture seeing like young people taking that kind of chance on love.

[47:47] David Hein: Yes, and I feel like especially in American culture we kind of shy away from showing older people taking that leap. And if they do, we almost make it caricatury, like in like look who's getting married now or like what the, like the movies are like, oh look, even old people have feelings. Like we kind of do that in American culture. So I think the way that it just unapologetically is just how people relate to each other and not making it a gimmick, I think is something that people can really relate to.

[48:13] Irene Sankoff: Did you feel like a responsibility not just to telling the story you wanted to tell but to capture the people that were the real people you were capturing? Like what was the line you walked to make sure you were telling your true story but also being as true as possible to who they are?

[48:21] David Hein: And when you capture them, did you feed them every day or every other day?

[48:37] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, I mean I basically, when we started writing it was like, you know, I don't ever want to be in a situation where I couldn't sit down for coffee and tell this person what their character was doing in the show. Basically, we always wanted them to be proud of how they were represented and that our story was true to their story because, I mean, they lived it. Like something like this, what's the point of making something up? You know what I mean? Like in that case, like we may as well have just written, not may as well have just written, but could have written perhaps a superhero movie and it would have been great. But like if we're gonna make something up, like we could have, like well no, if we're actually gonna use these people's experiences, they're so fantastic, and clearly everyone has such a hard time believing that it's a true story and they love it. Like, what's the point of straying into something that's made up?

[49:28] David Hein: You know, yeah, yeah.

[49:29] Irene Sankoff: What's wonderful about it is that it's true, is that these people actually changed their lives because they were in this experience of seeing people who were wonderful, who were extraordinary, who were being kind in reaction to a tragedy, and that allowed them to come together and to fall in love, and that's a message that resonates with us every single day, and that we try to teach my daughter.

[49:55] Bryan Plosky: Well, on that note, let's play another game.

[49:57] Kimberly: A game!

[49:57] Bryan Plosky: Yeah, okay. This one's called Canadian Folk Songs.

[50:04] Irene Sankoff: I'm so sorry to say it's more musical.

[50:06] David Hein: Yeah, we're gonna be great.

[50:08] Irene Sankoff: Maybe you can team up for this one if you need to.

[50:11] David Hein: So this game is called Come From Blank.

[50:14] Irene Sankoff: Ooh.

[50:14] David Hein: Could be anyone.

[50:16] Irene Sankoff: Sorry.

[50:17] David Hein: I've got this game is easy.

[50:21] Irene Sankoff: So I have our some of our lights of Broadway show cards.

[50:26] David Hein: So I have just some musicals in this little stack.

[50:29] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[50:30] David Hein: Draw a musical show card and then create a brief plot of a musical about if the characters from that show were magically transported to another show, and then pick a second card.

[50:42] David Hein: Okay, so the first card I pulled is Dream Girls.

[50:48] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[50:48] David Hein: And so I'm gonna imagine a show in which Dream Girls ends up in Next to Normal's world.

[50:55] Irene Sankoff: Oh my gosh.

[50:56] David Hein: Yeah. So, so okay, so what I'm gonna say is you know we've been drinking.

[51:01] Irene Sankoff: Exactly.

[51:02] David Hein: In the Next to Normal world, Diana has a lot of experiences where like she thinks that the doctor turns into like a rock star to sing to her. So I'm gonna take the Dream Girls, and they're gonna be like some of her other visions.

[51:18] Irene Sankoff: And so every time that she has like a vision, she's either seeing her son, she's seeing her doctor turning to something, or she's seeing the Dream Girls have a whole moment.

[51:26] David Hein: And so right before, like what gives her the strength to like tell her husband that she needs to leave and become herself.

[51:32] Irene Sankoff: So anyway, I'm leaving, and I'm loving you on the show.

[51:35] David Hein: Is her singing I'm not going.

[51:36] Irene Sankoff: And so she says she sings I'm not going and talks to her about all the stuff she's gonna do, and then she's like, okay, I think I can do this on my own now.

[51:42] David Hein: And then she does the whole anyway I'm leaving song because she's saying that she's not leaving, and then she was like, Oh, I'm staying with myself, and I'm gonna get stronger.

[51:49] Irene Sankoff: And so that's where the Dream Girls would fit into the Next to Normal world.

[51:52] David Hein: That's amazing.

[51:53] Irene Sankoff: Now I'm just picturing like this Dream Girls back up to I miss the mountains.

[51:57] David Hein: Wouldn't that be beautiful?

[52:00] Irene Sankoff: Oh my god, and then it's just a riff-off at the end.

[52:03] David Hein: Oh, so good.

[52:04] Bryan Plosky: Okay, Brian.

[52:05] David Hein: Okay, I'll go.

[52:06] Bryan Plosky: I have Sideshow and Finding Neverland.

[52:09] David Hein: Okay.

[52:10] Irene Sankoff: Oh my gosh.

[52:11] David Hein: So glad of this guy.

[52:12] Bryan Plosky: Okay.

[52:15] David Hein: So Sideshow's going into Finding Neverland.

[52:17] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[52:18] David Hein: And Peter, the two Peters, the Peter Pan and the boy are conjoined, but only one of them is active depending on which world they're in, whether they're in the world of Peter Pan or whether it's...

[52:32] Irene Sankoff: Is it like an imaginary conjoined twin?

[52:35] David Hein: Sort of, but it's supposed to represent like the shadow of what the other one is and what wants to be.

[52:40] Irene Sankoff: Peter Pan and his shadow.

[52:42] David Hein: Yeah, exactly. And when he's dealing with the death of his mother, spoiler alert, when he's dealing with the dying of his mother, right?

[52:48] Irene Sankoff: There's always Peter Penn is always on stage.

[52:51] David Hein: And when he's in Neverland, the real life Peter is always on stage.

[52:56] Irene Sankoff: Attack to him, because you just never forget that there are two parts to every journey.

[53:00] Bryan Plosky: Are you going because I'm terrified of this game?

[53:01] David Hein: Yeah, okay.

[53:02] Irene Sankoff: Or like be together.

[53:03] David Hein: You create musicals together.

[53:04] Irene Sankoff: No, no, no, no.

[53:06] David Hein: Yes, that's great.

[53:08] Irene Sankoff: Umelot.

[53:10] David Hein: Okay.

[53:11] Irene Sankoff: Um, a little night music.

[53:13] David Hein: Oh boy.

[53:14] Irene Sankoff: Okay.

[53:15] David Hein: So uh in Camelot with a little night music, it only rains at night.

[53:23] Irene Sankoff: Okay, okay.

[53:26] David Hein: Um I like that.

[53:28] Irene Sankoff: I like how you created the setting first.

[53:29] David Hein: Is that how you guys start?

[53:30] Irene Sankoff: You're like, Come From Away, it's rainy.

[53:34] David Hein: Yeah, we did start with there's many different words for rainy in Newfoundland.

[53:38] Irene Sankoff: Mausey, misty.

[53:39] David Hein: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[53:40] Irene Sankoff: Mausie.

[53:40] David Hein: Okay, okay, no, no, here.

[53:41] Irene Sankoff: No, you do it because you're cheating.

[53:43] David Hein: Oh, she's pass it off.

[53:45] Irene Sankoff: Uh there was a knight in Camelot.

[53:49] David Hein: Okay.

[53:49] Irene Sankoff: Uh, there are many knights in Camelot.

[53:51] David Hein: And they were around the round table.

[53:53] Irene Sankoff: And uh So are you telling me that it's called a little night music with a K?

[53:57] David Hein: It is.

[53:58] Irene Sankoff: It is.

[53:59] David Hein: Oh, a little night and music.

[54:01] Irene Sankoff: Send in the clowns.

[54:02] David Hein: And uh and Arthur feels like a clown next to Lancelot and Guinevere and sends in the clowns.

[54:08] Irene Sankoff: I like it.

[54:08] David Hein: Yeah!

[54:10] Irene Sankoff: Uh that went.

[54:11] David Hein: A little night music.

[54:12] Irene Sankoff: There you go.

[54:13] David Hein: Yeah.

[54:13] Irene Sankoff: I'd listen to that elevator pitch.

[54:15] David Hein: No, really.

[54:18] Irene Sankoff: With Canadian folk music.

[54:20] David Hein: That's what I mean.

[54:23] Irene Sankoff: It's his turn.

[54:24] David Hein: Okay.

[54:24] Irene Sankoff: I can't help.

[54:25] David Hein: Just dropped half of the deck.

[54:27] Irene Sankoff: Uh, and I am using it.

[54:30] David Hein: I believe in you.

[54:31] Irene Sankoff: Which are uh oh look, Wicked!

[54:33] David Hein: I've seen that one.

[54:34] Irene Sankoff: And the producer is big block.

[54:38] David Hein: I'm happy to see both of those.

[54:43] Irene Sankoff: Okay, uh the cat.

[54:45] David Hein: Alpha by the cat.

[54:47] Irene Sankoff: The wizard uh uh decides to produce a Broadway musical to encourage all animals to uh just watch Broadway musicals and stop talking.

[55:01] David Hein: Wow Alpha Bus stands up in the middle of the performance and objects.

[55:06] Irene Sankoff: Guys, yours were much better.

[55:09] David Hein: And then she defies gravity and everything is solved.

[55:12] Irene Sankoff: You're welcome.

[55:13] David Hein: Beautiful.

[55:14] Irene Sankoff: Yay!

[55:16] David Hein: What was do you remember seeing your first Broadway show?

[55:19] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[55:20] David Hein: What was it?

[55:21] Irene Sankoff: Titanic.

[55:21] David Hein: Oh cool.

[55:22] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[55:23] David Hein: Did the ship sink?

[55:24] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, it was amazing.

[55:25] David Hein: And I always wanted to take you back to see it sink, and then it never happened.

[55:28] David Hein: Uh so the first musical I saw was so just to give me a slight bit of credit, uh which I I think I don't deserve at this point.

[55:38] Irene Sankoff: Um uh uh uh I bought my dad uh chess uh when I was a real young kid because my dad loved chess and uh I saw this album uh the the black and white uh dominic version and I bought it for him and so that was my first musical.

[55:53] David Hein: First uh the first show I saw was cats.

[55:56] Irene Sankoff: I I think I saw Le Miz and Phantom uh right after that.

[55:59] David Hein: Yeah, like on tour in Ottawa.

[56:01] Irene Sankoff: Um and fell in love and I like burned out the d cassettes, driving my mom crazy, listening to them.

[56:06] David Hein: Uh what was your first Broadway show?

[56:08] Irene Sankoff: It was probably with me.

[56:09] David Hein: Rent?

[56:11] Irene Sankoff: It might have been Rent.

[56:12] David Hein: That's a good one.

[56:13] Irene Sankoff: And then La Boheme at the same time.

[56:15] David Hein: Oh my god, you saw the bass library at La Boheme.

[56:17] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, at the same time and our friends.

[56:19] David Hein: Our friends came with us and uh and we saw uh La Boheme first and then we saw it.

[56:26] Irene Sankoff: We saw Rent uh the Mat as a Matinee, and then we saw La Boheme at night and our friends were like good day.

[56:30] David Hein: What are you doing?

[56:33] Irene Sankoff: Oh my god.

[56:34] David Hein: And and our friends were like, Oh my god, La Boheme totally ripped off Rent.

[56:38] Irene Sankoff: They were kidding.

[56:42] David Hein: So if you guys were on death row and you could only see one show before you go.

[56:46] Irene Sankoff: Jesus.

[56:47] David Hein: What show would you see?

[56:48] Irene Sankoff: Oh my lord.

[56:49] David Hein: And you could like go back in time and see like the original cast of whatever anything.

[56:54] Irene Sankoff: You can cast it yourself.

[56:55] David Hein: Because even though you're on death row, we're giving you time machine privileges.

[56:59] Irene Sankoff: Like we wasted.

[57:00] David Hein: Uh wow.

[57:03] Irene Sankoff: Uh I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna steal this.

[57:04] David Hein: So so I've always wanted to see I've never seen Merrily.

[57:07] Irene Sankoff: Uh I would love to see uh the the original Merrily.

[57:12] David Hein: Um but uh it and this is this is a little um uh selfish.

[57:17] Irene Sankoff: I know what you're gonna say.

[57:18] David Hein: I know what you're gonna say, David.

[57:20] Irene Sankoff: I just I I would love to go back to Gander uh when we took our cast there.

[57:25] David Hein: It was um it was amazing.

[57:26] Irene Sankoff: It was a life changing experience.

[57:28] David Hein: And and we never we we were sobbing so much that we barely got to see it.

[57:32] Irene Sankoff: And I I would love to go back there and see uh the cast experiencing it.

[57:38] David Hein: And you know, they were standing off stage and they said uh we're not gonna cry, we're not gonna cry, and then they stepped on stage and everyone started singing I'm an islander, and they all started just sobbing on stage.

[57:47] Irene Sankoff: Yeah.

[57:47] David Hein: Uh and I can't even imagine.

[57:50] Irene Sankoff: It was amazing.

[57:50] David Hein: It's amazing to be telling someone else a story who still follows you on Facebook and follows you on Twitter and uh and and writes to you daily to say how's it going.

[58:01] Irene Sankoff: Like to as playwrights, we're so blessed to have real our actual characters writing to us on a daily basis.

[58:08] David Hein: And so to go back to that day where we actually got to say to them we want to celebrate you and we want to celebrate what you did and celebrate who you are, and uh that was my favorite day of my life.

[58:21] Irene Sankoff: I would love to go back there.

[58:22] David Hein: Thanks.

[58:23] Irene Sankoff: Wow.

[58:23] David Hein: And I and also the day when I met my wife.

[58:26] Irene Sankoff: Right.

[58:26] David Hein: And also the day when I um daughter was born and when I had my daughter.

[58:33] Irene Sankoff: A lot of top.

[58:35] David Hein: Going well.

[58:36] Irene Sankoff: You know, shovel?

[58:37] David Hein: Yeah, thank you.

[58:38] Irene Sankoff: I do quite well on my own.

[58:39] David Hein: Thank you.

[58:42] Irene Sankoff: I would like to see the opening night of almost anything that like toured through Toronto and I saw seven years later.

[58:42] David Hein: The opening night of Once on This Island?

[58:49] Irene Sankoff: We had this amazing experience where we went to see, we we used to uh drive for like 12 hours from Toronto to New York, and we would sing show tunes the entire way, and I would try to compete against my wife and Noosha at every show tune.

[59:00] David Hein: We would get here and then we'd see it, we'd try to see shows, and we'd see as many shows as we could, and we would divide and conquer.

[59:05] Irene Sankoff: And so I went to see once, and Irene went to see Peter and the Star Catcher.

[59:08] David Hein: And we came out running from our show to be like, Oh my god, you have to see the show.

[59:12] Irene Sankoff: And we like immediately the next day went to see the other version of the show.

[59:17] David Hein: That's so cool.

[59:18] Irene Sankoff: And both of those shows uh like uh once showed us that that style of music could actually be on Broadway.

[59:25] David Hein: Uh Canadian folk music.

[59:26] Irene Sankoff: Canadian folk music, thank you.

[59:28] David Hein: Yeah, and uh and Peter and the Star Catcher with scenes and and and direct address and storytelling and and inventiveness uh at every corner, and yeah, uh and and I you know that that directly influenced Come From Away.

[59:28] Bryan Plosky: Absolutely that brings us to the end of our episode.

[59:42] David Hein: It does thank you so much for joining us we really had a great time thank you to Linda for these treats oh Kevin go to the freezer oh right Kevin go to the freezer coffee cake that's a cool yeah I just spoke French I just had a French jingle we uh that's all I got um but thank you for joining us um uh again you can follow them at Stangov and Hein on um Twitter and are you on Instagram?

[1:00:11] David Hein: Yeah badly but yeah okay great um but we also want to thank Gold Star uh thank you so much for sponsoring the episode again you can go to www.goldstar.com backslash broadwaisted all lowercase and use the code broadwaisted all uppercase uh to get ten dollars off your next order um definitely do that again thank you so much for to them you can follow us um at Broadwaysted uh you can don't forget to join our Facebook group where we done do tons of theater nerdy stuff um yeah and then um on iTunes or wherever you get podcasts remember to subscribe to us rate and review us there please please we all said at that time that was pretty good oh and I thought it was nice oh yeah and this is better frozen goes to Come From Away yeah it's so good we haven't yet why haven't you seen it go again we've all seen it multiple times yeah I've seen it multiple times and every time like it's just so good.

[1:01:04] David Hein: Bring everyone you know yeah it's I brought my in-laws it's a great show to suggest to people when they were trying to figure out what to see on Broadway.

[1:01:10] Irene Sankoff: It's my parents are coming in the fall and that's what they want to see so that's what we're seeing.

[1:01:14] David Hein: Parents yeah parents parents always like us.

[1:01:17] Irene Sankoff: You know what?

[1:01:17] David Hein: Can I can I just say our our favorite parent story is when uh because often people come to the show and they and they immediately go out to the Brock's office and buy tickets, not just for them, but for for them and their family or for them and their friends, and they they want there's something about the story that they want to experience with other people, yeah.

[1:01:34] Irene Sankoff: And so often people come out and get uh tickets for their parents, and our favorite uh story is uh Chelsea Clinton who came to see the show and came out and was like, I gotta bring my folks, and and they're like she did.

[1:01:45] David Hein: But we end every episode with a quote.

[1:01:47] Irene Sankoff: Oh Velvet, I can wish you for the collar of your coat, and fortune's smiling all along your way.

[1:01:53] David Hein: But more I cannot wish you than to wish you find your love, your own true love this day.

[1:01:59] Irene Sankoff: Guys and dolls.

[1:02:00] David Hein: Nice song.

[1:02:02] Irene Sankoff: What a good pull.

[1:02:03] David Hein: Thank you.

[1:02:04] Irene Sankoff: Compliments from you two?

[1:02:07] David Hein: Oh yeah, we always are really sure.

[1:02:09] Irene Sankoff: Don't get used to it.

[1:02:09] David Hein: Yeah.

[1:02:11] Irene Sankoff: Anyway, again, thank you so much for joining us.

[1:02:14] David Hein: Um, as we end every episode, we raise our glasses and say our favorite cadence.

[1:02:29] All: That was a pretty good episode.

[1:02:31] David Hein: Yeah, it's fine.

[1:02:33] Irene Sankoff: What?

[1:02:33] David Hein: I don't know.

[1:02:35] Irene Sankoff: I mean we be humble, Brian.

[1:02:37] David Hein: It was but it was good because of that, not because of us.

[1:02:40] Irene Sankoff: That's very true.

[1:02:40] David Hein: We should have talked more about Canadian folk music though.

[1:02:43] Irene Sankoff: I know.

[1:02:43] David Hein: I really should go down a rabbit hole.

[1:02:46] Irene Sankoff: Speaking of rabbit holes, don't forget, enter the Gold Star competition for Kevin's Cornered, and you could be featured on Kevin's Corner.

[1:02:54] David Hein: And win $50 in Gold Star Cash.

[1:02:56] Irene Sankoff: Just make sure you put some crazy zany.

[1:02:59] David Hein: I almost said Wainy.

[1:03:01] Irene Sankoff: Wayney.

[1:03:01] David Hein: I like that.

[1:03:02] Irene Sankoff: Some waney facts.

[1:03:03] David Hein: Weird and zany.

[1:03:03] Irene Sankoff: Yeah, weird and zany facts.

[1:03:04] David Hein: Yeah.

[1:03:05] Irene Sankoff: Um, go to the like Gold Star's page on Facebook.

[1:03:08] David Hein: Go to the Gold Star page and find this episode on their Facebook feed.

[1:03:13] Irene Sankoff: And comment away with some weird facts that Kevin's gonna have to read out loud.

[1:03:16] David Hein: Yeah.

[1:03:17] Irene Sankoff: And we'll share that too so you can find it.

[1:03:19] David Hein: Yes.

[1:03:19] All: Thank you.

[1:03:20] All: Bye.