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[0:20] Bryan Plovsky: Hello, and welcome to the official Broadwaysted podcast where we're drunk on theater.

[0:25] Bryan Plovsky: I'm your host, Bryan Plovsky, and oh, what a circus. The art of the possible proves she is a diamond, but the actress hasn't learned the line you'd like to hear. I'd be surprisingly good for you, but on this night of a thousand stars at the charity concert, there's another suitcase in another hall. Perrone's latest flame is high flying. Adored, but if it is on the balcony of the Casa Rosana, and the money kept rolling in and out. A Walter Vita and Che says that you must love me. What's new, Buenos Aires? When the dice are rolling and the ladies got potential, then good night and thank you for the final broadcast. Don't cry for me, Argentina.

[1:07] Bryan Plovsky: Joining us today are the usual hello and goodbye rainbow highs, including Kevin, a cinnamon wear, sorry's 26th July 1952 Jager.

[1:19] Kevin Jager: That subtle nickname I've had since I was a child.

[1:22] Bryan Plovsky: Yeah, it's crazy how that is your nickname. I mean, when I met you, that's how you introduced yourself to me.

[1:28] Kevin Jager: I did.

[1:29] Bryan Plovsky: And you said that's quite a moniker, and then we became friends.

[1:32] Kevin Jager: Yeah.

[1:33] Bryan Plovsky: I wake up in the middle of the night and like start screaming a cinema in Buenos Aires 26th July 1952, and you were in the room next to me, so you would be like, What do you need?

[1:42] Kevin Jager: And what do you need?

[1:43] Bryan Plovsky: Because that's my name.

[1:44] Kevin Jager: Yeah, exactly.

[1:47] Bryan Plovsky: I have a story to say as soon as you've introduced everybody else.

[1:49] Kevin Jager: Really?

[1:49] Bryan Plovsky: Okay, cool, cool, cool. Kimberly, our rainbow tour game master and unofficial babysitter for the hour.

[1:55] Kimberly Cooper: I like that one.

[1:56] Bryan Plovsky: Thank you.

[1:56] Kimberly Cooper: You're welcome.

[1:58] Bryan Plovsky: And with us today are two guests whose cabarets you've 100% seen, or at least seen a flyer from the duplex to Club Cumming to Province Sounds Art House and the Green Room 42. They've played all the spots. Let's give a big Broadwaysted welcome to friends of the show.

[2:12] Bryan Plovsky: Friends of the show. Ben Rimalower and Daniel Nolen.

[2:25] Ben Rimalower: Y'all ready for this?

[2:27] Daniel Nolen: Oh I love it.

[2:28] Ben Rimalower: Thank you guys.

[2:29] Bryan Plovsky: Yeah, of course. Well, uh, that ran too long. This is the end of our episode. Thank you so much for no, seriously, thank you two for so much for joining us. Ben, you're a returning guest, Daniel. You're new. We're super excited to have you both here today to talk about your show and a ton of other things. But before we start with anything, uh Kevin, you had a story.

[2:48] Kevin Jager: I did. I did. Uh, I hate to jump in with a crazy story, but because you did a Vita for our opening today. Um, I have an intern at my job who loves theater and is so excited, but like doesn't know a lot about it because he's a straight boy who's been working in sports ball. And then he was like, Oh, I want to do entertainment, but like theater's cool. So like he's learning all this stuff from me.

[3:11] Kevin Jager: Um, and he for some reason somebody made a joke about like Patti LuPone and did the Evita arms. And he was like, Is that an elf of a thing? And we were like, Oh boy, no, that's we're like, no, that's Evita. And he goes, Oh, the Madonna movie. And I was like, Oh no. So we made him listen to Don't Cry for Me Argentina by Patti.

[3:18] Kevin Jager: And he was like, he had his headphones on, and he pulls his headphones off. He's like, she's so good. And I was like, that's literally an understatement. Keep listening. But then he was he was like, and then at the end, he was like, that's great. Did Madonna sing it that high? And I was like, no, she did not.

[3:52] Bryan Plovsky: Are you sure he's straight?

[3:54] Kevin Jager: He has a brother who's in musical theater who has been helping him with that kind of stuff.

[4:00] Bryan Plovsky: Euphemistic sounds like.

[4:02] Kevin Jager: But I was very proud of him. I was very proud of it.

[4:04] Bryan Plovsky: You've got a brother in musical theater too, don't you?

[4:09] Kevin Jager: But I was very proud of him today for learning who Patti LuPone and Evita are.

[4:14] Bryan Plovsky: I'm proud of him for saying, I don't think Madonna sang it in that key girl.

[4:18] Kevin Jager: Yes, I know.

[4:21] Bryan Plovsky: But he went to everybody. She's pretty good. Like you were, like you didn't know.

[4:27] Kevin Jager: Like you know where you work, right?

[4:29] Bryan Plovsky: Yeah, yeah.

[4:30] Kevin Jager: That's a good point.

[4:31] Bryan Plovsky: Yeah.

[4:31] Kevin Jager: Oh, but it's from the 70s. It's good.

[4:35] Bryan Plovsky: I don't know though, because he also likes a band called like Imagine Dragons. And so like I'm questionable here.

[4:39] Kevin Jager: Oh yeah.

[4:42] Daniel Nolen: I've heard of them.

[4:43] Kevin Jager: Yeah, straight boys love Imagine Dragons.

[4:45] Bryan Plovsky: Right. Is that true?

[4:47] Kevin Jager: Uh I don't I don't love or hate them. I'm indifferent about them.

[4:54] Daniel Nolen: I like fantasy stuff in general.

[4:57] Bryan Plovsky: Um, but uh you know, Imagine Dragons has really um uh I can't I can't think of his name, but uh Game of Thrones, like the is it Kit or is it Harrington?

[5:11] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, so you have a very that look to you oh shit.

[5:14] Bryan Plovsky: I never saw that before, but now that Daniel has said that, Bryan, our relationship has changed.

[5:22] Daniel Nolen: I did go to Comic-Con as Jon Snow a couple years ago, so I didn't know.

[5:27] Bryan Plovsky: Yes, yes.

[5:28] Daniel Nolen: I would like to see those if you don't know.

[5:30] Bryan Plovsky: Yes.

[5:31] Daniel Nolen: Sure, sure, sure. Just drop them in the chat right here.

[5:33] Bryan Plovsky: If you thank you so much for joining us.

[5:37] Bryan Plovsky: Uh, we start every episode with what are you drinking?

[5:37] Kevin Jager: What are you drinking?

[5:43] Kevin Jager: Um, I'm gonna start because I have something fancy.

[5:49] Kevin Jager: Um, so I am drinking Keeper's Heart Irish whiskey. Um it is delish. And um, it was a uh Saint Patrick's Day thing that I didn't actually end up opening because I was out, and so it's like my St. Patrick's Day all the time kind of drink.

[6:09] Kevin Jager: Um, I'm just drinking it in this little mug here that I chilled.

[6:14] Kevin Jager: So um it's a chilled coffee cup with whiskey in it.

[6:20] Daniel Nolen: I admire you for waiting over two weeks to break into it.

[6:28] Kevin Jager: Yeah, I uh very impressive.

[6:30] Kevin Jager: Yeah, I was no way that was done on purpose.

[6:33] Kevin Jager: It was not done on purpose. I just re-found the like the bottle.

[6:40] Kevin Jager: It was like in roof found a roofhound.

[6:46] Kevin Jager: Uh so that's what I did.

[6:48] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, I'm I'm just sipping on some tequila in a rocks glass.

[6:52] Bryan Plovsky: Uh Kimberly, what are you drinking?

[6:55] Kimberly Cooper: I am drinking a Jack's hard cider that I purchased mostly um for a braised cabbage and sausage recipe that I make a lot.

[7:05] Kimberly Cooper: Um, but it turns out I really like this one, and so I might have to buy another six pack before I make this dinner.

[7:12] Bryan Plovsky: I love that you cook with that. That's so uh that's so fancy.

[7:16] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, really just this one recipe.

[7:17] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, and I have a chicken recipe too, where you stick um the can inside the chicken.

[7:24] Bryan Plovsky: Oh my gosh.

[7:26] Kimberly Cooper: So you can do it with beer, but I can't drink beer, so I use cider, and it's very good.

[7:31] Bryan Plovsky: It's a very talented chicken.

[7:35] Kevin Jager: Um couldn't face a chicken.

[7:38] Bryan Plovsky: Uh speaking of, uh, I am drinking out of my uh Hello Dolly souvenir rocks glass.

[7:45] Bryan Plovsky: Yeah, just a little vodka soda with lime.

[7:49] Daniel Nolen: Who is your Dolly?

[7:50] Bryan Plovsky: Obviously, was it Bet?

[7:52] Daniel Nolen: You mean who do I see?

[7:54] Bryan Plovsky: Yes.

[7:54] Bryan Plovsky: Uh I saw all of them except uh Betty Buckley.

[7:59] Daniel Nolen: Oh, well done.

[8:01] Bryan Plovsky: Yeah.

[8:02] Daniel Nolen: I think Ben saw all of them.

[8:04] Ben Rimalower: All of them, yeah.

[8:05] Daniel Nolen: Including Miss Carol Channing.

[8:07] Ben Rimalower: I was gonna say my favorite bitchy comment is you know who my favorite was? Carol Channing.

[8:16] Daniel Nolen: And you win automatically, no matter what.

[8:18] Bryan Plovsky: Did you see the Carolie tour as well?

[8:20] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, we went to Hartford for Oh, that's awesome.

[8:23] Daniel Nolen: She's good.

[8:25] Ben Rimalower: She was, but it's really a show about like celebrity.

[8:29] Ben Rimalower: And uh, I mean, Daniel and I gave her the full gay entrance applause, and we were we were the only one.

[8:38] Daniel Nolen: I mean, that's a really good one.

[8:40] Daniel Nolen: Right there with you.

[8:41] Ben Rimalower: Because it was in Hartford. I mean, obviously, in in New York City, among certain circles, Carol Lee is a star.

[8:48] Daniel Nolen: Absolutely.

[8:49] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, no, even after to the point where after we saw the show, we went backstage to say hello to Carolie, and all the chorus boys were like, Oh, we we loved you guys during the show. You guys clapped for Carolie every song.

[9:03] Daniel Nolen: But that show was like built for all of that extra applause. Like it's like built into the blocking.

[9:09] Ben Rimalower: For sure.

[9:10] Bryan Plovsky: So you did your read your lines.

[9:12] Ben Rimalower: That's right. Thank you.

[9:14] Ben Rimalower: You allowed waiter number three to do his double bot ma offstage because he had that extra bit of music.

[9:21] Daniel Nolen: And he appreciates you in Hartford, Heddaford, and Hampshire.

[9:27] Kevin Jager: Kevin, can you describe what you think a double bot ma is?

[9:31] Kevin Jager: I was impressed. I wasn't saying at all. I was just going to ask that question.

[9:35] Bryan Plovsky: Well what does it mean to double a bot ma?

[9:39] Kevin Jager: Okay. So it it you know how like when you double a pirouette you spin multiple times.

[9:39] Kevin Jager: When you double a bot ma, that's when you do like two leaps, like jump jump.

[9:57] Daniel Nolen: So you take what is usually a kick and you make it a leap.

[10:00] Kevin Jager: Correct.

[10:01] Kevin Jager: Because what you mean? It's just mathematics, Kimberly.

[10:04] Bryan Plovsky: I can't just explain it to you.

[10:05] Kevin Jager: And you when you double a kick, it becomes two leaps.

[10:09] Kimberly Cooper: Sure, sure, sure.

[10:10] Kimberly Cooper: I've never heard that.

[10:11] Kevin Jager: Yeah.

[10:12] Kimberly Cooper: But I am not a dancer, and I have to do it.

[10:14] Bryan Plovsky: It sounds like a pastry.

[10:16] Kevin Jager: Well, I was gonna think it's it's I was gonna say it sounds like uh like an AI Sophia Patrillo, you know, bot ma.

[10:24] Daniel Nolen: Sophia.

[10:30] Bryan Plovsky: Sorry, this this vodka tonic.

[10:33] Kevin Jager: I love it.

[10:34] Bryan Plovsky: So yeah, so that's how it works.

[10:36] Bryan Plovsky: Great.

[10:37] Bryan Plovsky: Um, so my question for you is Ben, you've been on the show, but I'm sure your answer changes every day. And Dan, I want to hear your answer. What's your favorite musical?

[10:45] Ben Rimalower: Well, God, after that introduction you gave, I would have to say Evita.

[10:49] Ben Rimalower: No.

[10:52] Ben Rimalower: I always, I mean, I there are so many musicals that I love so much in my top 11 or 14 or whatever my desert island is. But I think if there's a gun to my head, I will always have to go with Evita. It made me gay.

[11:07] Daniel Nolen: Sure.

[11:08] Ben Rimalower: Do you do you have like categories in your head, like favorite this musical, favorite that musical?

[11:14] Ben Rimalower: And of those, do some float to the top for you when that question is asked.

[11:19] Ben Rimalower: Um I don't think I really do have categories. No, I think that like there's just there's uh like the one there's the ones that I just love so much.

[11:31] Ben Rimalower: Um, and then there's the ones that I like love almost as much, but on some days I love more. So then I kind of struggle. It's like I feel like in my heart of hearts, it's like uh like Evita and um uh Gypsy and Fiddler on the Roof and Falsettos and like Company and Hedwig, and then like the tier below that is like Sweeney Todd and like Hamilton and like um I don't know, then I'm just like and Sunday in the Park with George and Follies and Ragtime and you know um I don't know. There's so many wonderful musicals in the world.

[12:08] Ben Rimalower: I'm sure I'm forgetting something. I'm getting old now. So whatever, whatever titles I can remember.

[12:18] Daniel Nolen: Oh, oh, oh.

[12:19] Bryan Plovsky: Um, Dan, what about you? What uh what what pops to the top for you?

[12:23] Daniel Nolen: Um, I mean, the first one I have that just immediately comes to mind is Into the Woods.

[12:28] Daniel Nolen: I mean, that's the show I've probably listened to the most, I've watched the most.

[12:32] Daniel Nolen: Um, I know the best.

[12:33] Daniel Nolen: And that is one that just brings me great comfort.

[12:36] Daniel Nolen: And it would be like my desert island disc, you know, one I would take with me.

[12:41] Daniel Nolen: Um, so yeah, I would say Into the Woods, also up there, you know, is Little Shop.

[12:45] Daniel Nolen: Uh, I love Light in the Piazza.

[12:47] Daniel Nolen: I love um uh Funny Girl, of course, although maybe not this recent one, although I'm not gonna not gonna say anything mean.

[12:57] Daniel Nolen: Um and uh what would my last one be? Like maybe Le Miz.

[13:01] Daniel Nolen: I mean, Le Miz was also a big show for me when I was little.

[13:04] Bryan Plovsky: Sure.

[13:05] Bryan Plovsky: Can I can I ask an Into the Woods question?

[13:08] Bryan Plovsky: Do you are you a purist with like no one is alone that you wanted to end without like a finish?

[13:17] Bryan Plovsky: Or do you want it like how like the the revival cast album had Laura Benanti sing like the final line, even though it's never sung in the show?

[13:29] Daniel Nolen: Does anybody get do you get what I mean?

[13:32] Daniel Nolen: I don't think I know I don't know the revival album too well. What what do they add to it?

[13:37] Bryan Plovsky: So at the end of No One is Alone, they sing like someone is on your side, and then before they can sing the final like no one is alone, the giant comes in.

[13:47] Bryan Plovsky: So the song is interrupted.

[13:49] Bryan Plovsky: So there is no ending to that song on the original cast album.

[13:53] Bryan Plovsky: But in the revival, even though it never happens for the actual album, they have her sing an ending of the song to give it an end to the track.

[14:07] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, I mean, I I mean, I I like it, and I like a little button on it, you know. I like an ending. Um, but I will say, Ben and I have talked about this a lot. It is kind of weird the end uh of that second act, how there's so many just like moving ballads in a row. I feel like you know, no one is alone is definitely my favorite, but you know, there's no more, and then children will listen. It's just like it it kind of robs no one is alone of its power. Uh, but with that said, I still, it's still my favorite show, and I love it a lot.

[14:37] Ben Rimalower: That's super true.

[14:39] Daniel Nolen: No, those two things can't be true at the same time. My favorite musical Evita is dramaturgically perfect. Everyone's favorite show, like everyone has like all of their arguments for their favorite show. Like, I know this is a problem, but it doesn't matter. Like, I don't know.

[14:56] Ben Rimalower: Absolutely.

[15:00] Daniel Nolen: Yeah. I mean, Sondheim has many, many more perfect shows, but uh Into the Woods is definitely, you know, my my favorite.

[15:10] Ben Rimalower: Absolutely.

[15:12] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, that's that's um, Kimberly or Kevin, do you have categories in your head? Does yours fluctuate? Because like I kind of know yours because we've done it so much, but like I never really asked that type of question.

[15:22] Kevin Jager: It like fluctuates around. I feel like I always have like a favorite one that I'm like listening to in the moment. And then like old favorites. Like Sunday is just always my favorite, but like sometimes I'm just like binging one album for a whole week, and then I’ll get bored and then I will move on.

[15:42] Daniel Nolen: Mm-hmm.

[15:43] Kevin Jager: I would say I'm the same just because like I the way I listen to new shows that I like is I like obsessively listen to them until like I've memorized the entire thing and then it's in my brain, and then I like move on and find a new show. Um so like I definitely have like the favorite that I'm learning at the moment, and then um I have categories for sure in my head of like my favorite new musical, my favorite classic musical, my favorite like uh jukebox musical, my favorite, like funny musical, my favorite dramatic musical. Like, I definitely have like those kind of things that I I mean, I categorize everything in my head in my life, so I definitely like go hardcore on the categorizing because like I love me some musicals.

[16:32] Daniel Nolen: So here's a question for everyone. I'm like very into this line of questioning right now. How you we all mentioned our favorite musicals. How often are you really? They're your favorite musicals, but how often are you actually like listening to them, revisiting them like on a regular basis? Um, just just curious. Uh I I don't know the answer in terms of even myself. Uh I don't really listen to my favorite musicals that much. Um, but I'm just curious when I do, it means something more to me because I have I've been away from Don Quixote for a bit, I've been away from Horton for a bit. Like, what are what are some of you like what are what's the what's how often are you listening to those?

[17:09] Ben Rimalower: I do really feel like Seussical and Man of La Mancha are the musicals that a straight person would listen to.

[17:15] Daniel Nolen: 100% I have I have I yes, 100% true. Um I also there's also nostalgia associated with them. So I'm and now I'm thinking to myself, you know, I think Fiddler on the Roof would probably be one of my favorites. Um a straight gay, uh excuse me, a straight Jewish person. Um no Jew is truly straight, but um, I mean, Fiddler on the Roof is just a mess, it's just so good. So I guess my open question to everybody is like, how often are you listening to your favorite musicals?

[17:48] Kevin Jager: Not a lot.

[17:49] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, I don't listen to musicals really. I mean, I did so obsessively until I was like uh like 21. And what else happened when I was 21? Oh, right, I really started drinking. Um, and I just um I but I really listened to um I listen a lot of show tunes will come up when I'm listening to like my ladies' singers. Um but I it's very rare, like even new musicals that I've really liked, like Hamilton, like I've probably listened to Hamilton less than I've listened to like The Goodbye Girl, even though like The Goodbye Girl is not good, you know.

[18:26] Ben Rimalower: Sure.

[18:26] Daniel Nolen: But it's just from the era when I was like putting the tape, I would copy the CD onto a tape so I could play the tape in my car and listen to it constantly.

[18:37] Ben Rimalower: Sure.

[18:38] Daniel Nolen: Yeah. I mean, I think for me, uh, you know, my favorites I've just listened to so much throughout my childhood and throughout my life, that now it's just like I don't really feel the need to like revisit them again. Uh unless I'm like showing someone like you know, the the tape performance of Into the Woods. But with that said, I will always see these shows no matter where they're being performed, you know. Um every now and then there is there is a new musical that I get really into. Like I was loving uh after seeing Dear Evan Hansen, I was really into that score and I listened to that a lot. The Band's Visit, I really uh enjoyed. Um, but like like Ben's saying, I mean, I'm I'm very playlist oriented. So, you know, if I like a song from a certain it's rare I listen to an a whole album start to finish show tunes, but if I like a certain song from a musical, I will put it in one of my themed show tunes playlists.

[19:32] Ben Rimalower: And so when I'm or in my like morning getting ready playlist or my thinking playlist, whatever, and then I will you know listen to it in that context where it really um uh provides me what I need in that moment.

[19:43] Daniel Nolen: So here's a question that I thought of during this, and this will end this kind of line of questioning. I'm just very into this. We don't we don't talk about this stuff a lot. We kind of like we kind of like talk about what's your musical and then like move on. But so here's a question. Do you think that what we just talked about here with nostalgia is associated with a lot of our favorite musicals? Do you think that a person we could let's just pick 13 or 14, something like that? Do you think a person can something newer become your absolute favorite and compete with the nostalgia? Like I the example I sometimes use is if again a straight boy reference, if you see Star Wars before a certain age, it's you're gonna love it.

If you see Star Wars after a certain age, it's just like a a weird sci-fi fantasy movie. Like you you attach yourself to it, but like like like I I have not seen a musical in the past maybe I don't know, 20, 30 years. That was not 30, but like 20 years that like I love them, but they're not my favorite. Like they they never will be because they can't compete with that. Do you believe that there is room for that to actually happen, or do you think that nostalgia kind of locks it in because you are emotionally attached to it in certain ways?

[21:03] Ben Rimalower: I think for me, uh, a musical is very specific because like I'm still finding like books and and movies and and you know, recording artists or or bands that I love, and you know, some of my favorite uh books that I would I would count as my favorite books or movies I've seen in the past you know five or ten years. Whereas I think a musical, like the experience of seeing a musical for the first time and really discovering that is so unique in that process, especially someone like me who's from Oklahoma, you know, and it didn't really have access to Broadway in the same uh in the same sense that I do now. It's like you know uh discovering that there is a such thing as Broadway, and there are musicals and there are these cast recordings that you listen to without quite knowing what's going on and without having seen it.

And then, you know, maybe you catch a tour here and there, and then you finally take your big Broadway trip in high school or college, and and it just becomes this uh like kind of really special like process that's kind of a slow build. Uh and so I think that gives it a little more weight than other types of media.

[22:11] Daniel Nolen: Um, so I think in answer to your question, I'm I'm with like you, I have all my favorite musicals that I, you know, uh rattled off earlier, are all ones I discovered very young and have have a very special place in my heart.

[22:25] Ben Rimalower: Sure.

[22:26] Daniel Nolen: It's a beautiful idea. Even musicals, I mean, I feel the same way. I do think there's probably room for some new things to get in, but it's a much higher bar, whereas I loved a lot of crappy shows when I was a kid, and even shows that I hated when I was a kid and talked so much smack about, like Miss Saigon and Cats. I thought I was so cool because I would listen to Forbidden Broadway and make fun of the banality of the lyrics. And I just thought I was like, you know, sitting in a cafe somewhere with Hal and Steve just being brilliant. Now the revival of Cats I saw three times. The revival of Miss Saigon, I saw it twice. And I am just like all in. Like so I have nostalgia, even for things that I was like thought I was above the first time around.

[23:14] Kevin Jager: Sure.

[23:15] Ben Rimalower: That's I love that.

[23:23] Kevin Jager: Like I think like when I like first listened to Hadestown and like saw Hadestown, it's like, I think this is my new favorite show. And then like a week later, I was just like, no.

[23:33] Ben Rimalower: But all my oldies, like there's just something about like the CD you wore out when you were 15 that will just never be compared to because it is so easy to like pull a track onto a playlist now, and you're not attached to like the full thing.

[23:47] Daniel Nolen: I heard like someone at work was playing Elaborate Lives today, and I just like was transported into the full album, like in my car when I was 14 years old.

[23:59] Kevin Jager: And I was just like, this is a good show. I want to listen to this now. And there are some shows where like I could tell you two songs because I saw the show and then only listen to those two songs. There's no experience like putting your pencil in your Guys and Dolls cassette tape and trying to make sure that it's absolutely.

[24:18] Ben Rimalower: I mean, and also uh I know Ben's the same way, but like, you know, I love a lot of uh just vocalists and and a lot of especially lady vocalists who will sing a bunch of these type of songs on their on their studio albums. And and I think it's again, it's hard for me to really uh to use our word appreciate these these current shows as much because there's not as much history and like there's not like all these different cover versions that I also have in my playlists, and sure, you know, like with Into the Woods or Funny Girl, I'm like, oh, you know, I love Into the Woods, but my favorite version of No One is Alone is you know, uh Judy Collins or whoever.

[24:57] Daniel Nolen: And um, and so there is that also an entire different realm of exploration that I've done with uh these songs and the scores. Although, you know, it's funny, even when there are the other versions, it still doesn't make like I saw Waitress on Broadway with the original cast, and I loved it. I had never heard Sara Bareilles's music before, I'd never seen the movie. I was like, this is fucking fabulous. These three women are so perfect and fabulous in their roles. I'm a fan for life, and I've never listened to anything other than every single cover version of She Used to Be Mine, which I have obsessively listened to, and I know the different riffs from Shoshana to Heather Headley to Sara to Jesse. I mean, it's like, and yet I still have never been like, why don't I listen to the cast recording the rest of it?

[25:46] Kevin Jager: It's yeah, sure, sure.

[25:48] Ben Rimalower: But it's like too easy when I was in high school and I only had the $13 just enough to buy the CD, and I had to choose carefully which CD I would buy because that meant I couldn't listen to the one I didn't buy for another week or month or however long. And then I would really just lean into that, you know. Um, and that I think in a way uh was better, but you know, don't you guys miss that?

[26:15] Daniel Nolen: Oh, sorry.

[26:16] Kevin Jager: Well, I was gonna say, don't you guys miss that? Like, like going to the store and finding a CD to buy and then just like wearing it out. Like that's something that's so like not a thing anymore. Do you have like a CD that you like found like on your own that you like love?

[26:29] Ben Rimalower: I mean, one of those like store trips.

[26:31] Daniel Nolen: I have a yeah, like Sam Goody.

[26:33] Ben Rimalower: I mean, mine was de mine was super gay. I mean, it was like the Titanic soundtrack or something, which was right after that was like the first like real uh you know, grown-up movie experience I'd had where I was really moved by a film for the first time, and I I found that CD in like Sam Goody or whatever, and I and I was so happy with myself.

[26:53] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, I remember being in an FYE and I like was going through all the cast album things, and there's one copy of The Secret Garden. Uh and I was just like, I've never heard this.

[27:04] Ben Rimalower: Oh, I love that.

[27:04] Daniel Nolen: That was my weekend. That's a secret.

[27:06] Ben Rimalower: Um you were gonna say something.

[27:09] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, I would I agree with everybody, but I was gonna say the one thing I was gonna add is like, for example, one of a show that I would call one of my favorite shows that I would say is like I saw as an adult, um, would be uh Fun Home. But um, I would say that like the way that that show is able to reach the height of where I keep the other ones that have so much nostalgia is because being in that theater, like what happened with that show, how it was written and then performed, it like hit a nerve of something deep inside me. And like something that I think like a lot of like gay men my age, what I saw it were processing, like when you're in your mid 20s into your 30s, you're kind of like, okay, like we got past the whole coming out part, we got past the like um the like fun. Oh, this is a new like candy shop of doing this stuff part. And then you're kind of like, okay, so now like I'm living and existing as it came in.

[28:10] Ben Rimalower: So like watching that show and seeing the experience for people like on like in the LGBT community definitely hit a real strong nerve with me. So I feel like if it's not gonna have nostalgia, it has to hit something at the core of you that like really because like I felt the same way about Next to Normal when I first saw it. I was like, this is gonna be my favorite show, it's so impactful. And then as I got away from it a bit from like the hype and the having seen the big people do it, you're kind of like it's a good show, but like I don't find myself rushing to experience it again and again.

[28:47] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, yeah, that's really interesting because you're almost like creating new nostalgia because you're emotionally attaching or latching on to it in terms of like you know, if the substance of the show really affects you, or if you're going through something. So it's I feel like it's two ways. One way is that the show is presenting something to you that you're really attaching to because you have a very deep connection to it, whether it's something like Fun Home or something else. And the second way is maybe you're going through something. Like I remember shows vividly because I was emotionally going through something, and just even if it wasn't the two and a half hours, but one second from one performance, like I will say that like X show is one of my absolute favorites because of the moment that I had with it, not because the show is great. And I think those are just different versions of nostalgia in some ways.

[29:41] Ben Rimalower: Totally. Yeah, that's I mean, I saw like the closing matinee of Bells Are Ringing, the Faith Prince, the Dina Landau revival starting thing. Yes. And that was widely panned production. Um, but it was a musical that I somewhat knew the score to from just being such a nerd in like high school. And now I was an adult living in New York. And uh, but I'd seen Faith in Guys and Dolls and been a fan, and it was the first closing I'd ever been to on Broadway, and it had that closing energy, and I just remember how I felt watching that. And so in my mind, it was like this Broadway highlight, even though it was like ultimately something that most people were not that fond of. And when Daniel and I did a podcast episode about the movie Bells Are Ringing with iconic Judy Holliday, I was just like sitting there while Daniel was like, this is crap, this is stupid. And I was like, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah.

[30:45] Daniel Nolen: Well, that's another good point, too. Like, do you associate your favorite musical with your favorite production of that? Like, like, you know what I mean? I feel like that's a whole nother category that we haven't even like opened that box a little bit in terms of like I love Man of La Mancha, but I will take the Richard Kiley version is the one that I love. I don't love the Brian Stokes Mitchell one, even though I love that show, but I love the Kiley one, but because of the recording, obviously I've never seen it, but I saw the other one in person. But like it's it's it's like versions of it show it's fascinating.

[31:20] Ben Rimalower: It depends though. It's like, you know, like I you know, Daniel said earlier about shows that you'll always go see different productions of. And I generally feel that way. Like when people are like, oh, do we need another Gypsy revival? I'm like, yes, we need all the Gypsy revivals, you know.

[31:37] Kevin Jager: Sure.

[31:38] Ben Rimalower: Uh we see everyone do it. If she's give it a do what I want to see it.

[31:42] Daniel Nolen: Well, that's I think that's a I did not go see the revival of Ragtime. Um where I was just like, I saw the original production four times when I first moved to New York City. I really, really, really, really loved it. Just on paper, this production was turning me away, uh turning me off, rather. And so I was like, I'm gonna skip it. And I sort of regret that now, not because I think I was wrong about that production, but because I just um I'm like, well, are you proud of yourself? You now you haven't seen Ragtime in 20 years, you know.

[32:16] Ben Rimalower: Well, I guess some of the best shows, some of the best shows like on paper, you can see over and over again because they leave so much room for the creative team and the actors like a Gypsy, like a um like a Sunday in the Park with George, even a Sweeney Todd, like which we've I know I just named many uh uh Sondheim musicals, but like nothing, yeah.

[32:40] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, but I think that there's you know, some there's there's there's there's things in there. Um, but you did previously mention that the Bells Are Ringing revival was was panned. Do you know what else has been panned here on Broadwaysted?

[32:55] Kevin Jager: Tuesday corner with Kevin's corner.

[33:04] Ben Rimalower: That was beautiful.

[33:06] Daniel Nolen: That was a stunning transition, and I gave you beautiful vocals.

[33:12] Kevin Jager: It was a uh, what did you call it? A uh a gruff the Arthur, no yeah husky husky be husky the Arthur.

[33:22] Ben Rimalower: That was that was Vera Charles in all her glory yeah so welcome to Kevin's Corner, which is my corner where I get to do whatever I want during the show because it's my little corner in my own little chair so we get to talk about whatever I want so um do you guys like are you do you know like classic Disney animation?

[33:22] Daniel Nolen: Yeah a little bit.

[33:22] Kevin Jager: Okay do you know like Looney Tunes animation then?

[33:22] Daniel Nolen: Yeah a little bit.

[33:22] Kevin Jager: Are you an animation fan?

[33:22] Daniel Nolen: Yeah I am with animation.

[33:22] Kevin Jager: Well I was gonna say I'm the way Bryan is with Imagine Dragons but then I think he actually missed the boat on that so I will I okay so what I want you to do is I want you to pick either a classic Disney movie or a classic like cartoon show and you are going to cast that entire show as if it was a new Broadway musical wow I love this so for fun please avoid shows like Disney's Hercules or Little Mermaid unless you're gonna take that and give me a whole new cast like I don't want you to be like Sierra Boggess will play Little Mermaid like it's been done no I want to hear like I want to hear some like fierce random casting choices does it need to be a musical already?

[33:22] Ben Rimalower: No it not at all okay and if it's not a musical you're gonna tell me who's writing the music for it.

[33:22] Ben Rimalower: Oh my goodness, I feel like I need like 30 minutes to do like some, uh, some, uh, you know, work, but I can come up with it on the spot. Do you, Ben, you need a minute too?

[35:01] Ben Rimalower: No, I'm ready.

[35:02] Kevin Jager: Okay.

[35:03] Ben Rimalower: So I was gonna say, like you go first. You go first, Benji you I was gonna say I I know Ben's gun.

[35:08] Ben Rimalower: Well, my all-time favorite um uh cartoon or Disney villain is oh fuck, I knew her name. It's the evil queen in Snow White before she becomes the hag witch.

[35:17] Daniel Nolen: Grimhilda?

[35:23] Ben Rimalower: It's a similar name to Maleficent, but it's not Maleficent.

[35:28] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, is it no?

[35:29] Ben Rimalower: But she actually has a name.

[35:31] Daniel Nolen: It's like actually, I think it's like a um it sounds like a Viking name or something.

[35:35] Ben Rimalower: I can't remember it, but I love her.

[35:38] Ben Rimalower: Yes, yes. Oh, she's got that like black skull cap under the crown. Amazing. And in my book, she always has been the fairest one of all. And tie back to Husky B. Arthur, because there was a hit production of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs live on stage at Radio City Music Hall in 1979. Or I think it ran for a couple of years. It's actually one of the first like live stage shows I saw. And the woman who played that role was Anne Francine, who had replaced B. Arthur in Mame and then went on to do the revival of Mame with Angela Lansbury and is a longtime Vera for Sun Caller. Um, so uh anyway, uh, but of course I would cast as Grimhilda, uh, none other than Patti LuPone.

[36:20] Daniel Nolen: Yeah.

[36:21] Ben Rimalower: Uh it'll be uh a little easier for her to play one half of the character than the other, but that is what makeup and styling is for. And um, I guess then the answer to play Snow White would be Laura Benanti, um, who just uh looks the part and would sing all that crazy I'm wishing, I'm wanting that just so beautifully. And um, oh god. Uh I guess I just get to pick the Broadway actor that I have the most hots for for the handsome prince.

[36:57] Daniel Nolen: Pretty much.

[36:58] Ben Rimalower: Um so uh maybe like uh uh Brandon Victor Dixon would be my and that song he sings is like one of the most beautiful and pure love songs. The one song I have but one song, like it's oh that's beautiful. It's the most thank you, it's the most stunning, like just stand there and belt in your face tenor song. It's lovely.

[37:30] Daniel Nolen: We do enjoy a stand there and belt in your face tenor song.

[37:33] Kevin Jager: Yes.

[37:34] Daniel Nolen: Okay, Daniel, do you need more time?

[37:37] Daniel Nolen: I just just vamp for just like two more minutes. I'm just like getting my cast list together. While he's thinking, I usually this is where I see I really need Daniel's collaboration, but uh but I because I feel like the seven dwarfs offer like a really wonderful um casting opportunity.

[37:52] Ben Rimalower: Oh I just haven't gotten to it yet in my mind, but I know that you're I mean, obviously, Andrew Keenan-Bolger will figure in somewhere, as will the other two Keenan-Bolgers. I think it'll be the Keenan-Bolgers and the Fosters, and uh and Jen Cody will be an honoree foster, as will Christian Borle.

[38:13] Daniel Nolen: Divorce.

[38:13] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, all the musical theater families. Yeah, and maybe like Anne Horata and John Tartaglia.

[38:20] Daniel Nolen: Oh my god.

[38:21] Ben Rimalower: And uh I that's more than seven now, so somebody will have to just be a swing.

[38:28] Daniel Nolen: I'm so they're like Christian Borle. You're like sort of in the family.

[38:30] Ben Rimalower: Seriously. He could be the huntsman, the huntsman.

[38:35] Daniel Nolen: Oh, yeah, he's got those armor.

[38:37] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, he can totally do that.

[38:38] Daniel Nolen: I like that part.

[38:41] Ben Rimalower: The Huntsman Huntsman.

[38:43] Daniel Nolen: I love a huntsman.

[38:47] Kevin Jager: That's everybody, right?

[38:49] Daniel Nolen: Sure.

[38:49] Ben Rimalower: I mean, if you find a part for Taylor Trensch, I'm always happy to have him in a cast.

[38:53] Daniel Nolen: Oh, Taylor Trensch.

[38:56] Ben Rimalower: He could be the I was gonna say he's the apple, just like we had a bullet, we have an apple.

[39:00] Daniel Nolen: Is there not any little like woodland creature that like she's the mirror?

[39:00] Ben Rimalower: The mirror!

[39:06] Daniel Nolen: Oh good.

[39:08] Ben Rimalower: Of course.

[39:10] Daniel Nolen: The Taylor Trensch Patti LuPone duet that we all need.

[39:17] Ben Rimalower: Although that makes me think it should be John Cameron Mitchell.

[39:21] Daniel Nolen: And I love that you said Taylor Trensch just because I have accidentally seen everything Taylor Trensch has done just because like he I saw him in shows where he was playing the lead, but then I went to shows where the person was out and he was the covers. Like I saw him in Curious Incident.

[39:37] Ben Rimalower: Me too.

[39:38] Daniel Nolen: He was incredible.

[39:40] Ben Rimalower: Oh, that's I think that's who I saw too.

[39:42] Daniel Nolen: So yeah, so I just I randomly just saw him in anything he understudied, or like he just was on stage. I think he was the best thing in Hello Dolly, honestly.

[39:51] Ben Rimalower: Oh, he was so good.

[39:52] Daniel Nolen: Among many good things, but yeah, sure, sure.

[39:56] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, he was great.

[39:58] Daniel Nolen: All right, Vamp.

[40:00] Ben Rimalower: You ready?

[40:01] Kevin Jager: You guys did so well. Vamping.

[40:04] Daniel Nolen: Um, okay, this is so hard. Okay, so I had to uh choose so as I when I was a kid, one of my favorite uh Disney movies was Sleeping Beauty. Um, and a big part of that was because it was so hard to find, and it was so like wasn't released from the vault for like years and years, so it felt like such a um you know, like a rare like treat when we would rent it from the little Hollywood video. Um so I uh was thinking I would do Sleeping Beauty as a musical. Um, I mean I guess I mean the dream you know would just be the same like um I mean I I guess it was a Disney movie but I would love just like this like you know Alan Menken Tim Rice team.

[40:17] Ben Rimalower: Um I think my my choice for for Aurora and Prince Philip would be I mean probably like Annaleigh Ashford I think she's oh great she's one of our uh you know she's one of the few like kind of uh rising stars that I'm really really into. Um and I mean I guess with that said I mean I would I wouldn't mind seeing Jake Gyllenhaal as the prince even though that you know would probably not be making the most use of his talents. Um and then for the fairies the three fairies Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather I think I would want Anne Horata, Jackie Hoffman, and then I'm trying to think I was trying to think of a third one I think again maybe like not making the most of his talents but I think I would love like Titus Burgess or someone like maybe like like a queer moment.

[40:17] Ben Rimalower: And then for the Prince or sorry for the king and the queen I would want Norbert Leo Butz and Kelly O'Hara and then for Maleficent I would want Christine Ebersole.

[41:58] Daniel Nolen: Oh yes where do I buy my tickets?

[42:08] Ben Rimalower: No, it's Christine Ebersole and Patti LuPone standing back to back belting the same the whole time.

[42:08] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, really. It's just they do it on the War Paint set, those side by sides. Three shows a week.

[42:14] Kevin Jager: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[42:16] Ben Rimalower: In rap, in rap.

[42:18] Daniel Nolen: Oh my god, Christine Eversol is left.

[42:21] Kevin Jager: I'm obsessed.

[42:22] Ben Rimalower: Oh, that's so good.

[42:24] Kevin Jager: All right, Bryan, who would what would be your movie?

[42:27] Bryan Plovsky: Oh, uh, I didn't, I wasn't thinking. I didn't know we were gonna, I've never included in Kevin's Corner.

[42:32] Kevin Jager: I don't know, you're just casting the lead.

[42:35] Bryan Plovsky: Okay.

[42:36] Kevin Jager: Um you don't get to play the full game because it's my corner.

[42:40] Bryan Plovsky: That's fine.

[42:43] Ben Rimalower: Umberlay'd be thinking.

[42:48] Bryan Plovsky: Okay, hear me out. I'm going a little outside the box.

[42:51] Kevin Jager: Okay.

[42:52] Bryan Plovsky: Okay. You know how we have these like these like like Springsteen on Broadway. Like they're using the stage and they're using the theater and doing that. I want there to be Powerline on Broadway.

[43:06] Daniel Nolen: Okay.

[43:07] Bryan Plovsky: So Powerline, the uh the the rock star from a goofy movie. Um, right. Uh, I want a Powerline concert on Broadway as played by uh Bruno Mars.

[43:25] Daniel Nolen: Oh, yeah.

[43:26] Bryan Plovsky: I want a Bruno Mars Powerline. It's like a when Garth Brooks was Chris Gaines. Like 100%.

[43:33] Kevin Jager: Leave it to me, leave it to Bryan for me to give him the entire world of opportunity to pick a cool fantasy movie, and he picked a jukebox musical starring a celebrity. Well done, Bryan.

[43:47] Bryan Plovsky: You never said it was a jukebox.

[43:49] Kevin Jager: First of all, I never whoa, there's a there's a lot of inferences that you're making based on my uh situation, but uh that's that's what I'm going with. Thank you very much.

[43:57] Kevin Jager: Okay, well, if if there was a way to lose Kevin's Corner, you just lost. Uh Kimberly, what's your choice?

[44:05] Kimberly Cooper: Can you say the rules for the movie?

[44:07] Bryan Plovsky: I have to pick again because I also didn't know I was included.

[44:10] Kimberly Cooper: Just any cartoon.

[44:12] Bryan Plovsky: Great.

[44:12] Kimberly Cooper: So it's Fox and the Hound.

[44:14] Bryan Plovsky: Okay.

[44:15] Kimberly Cooper: Oh, devastating.

[44:17] Bryan Plovsky: And it will be you need some really good animal handlers for that one.

[44:23] Daniel Nolen: Yeah.

[44:25] Kimberly Cooper: Um, yeah.

[44:29] Daniel Nolen: Oh, yeah.

[44:29] Kimberly Cooper: It's the War Horse team.

[44:31] Daniel Nolen: 100%.

[44:32] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, and it's um Jordan Fisher and Ben Platt.

[44:37] Daniel Nolen: Oh, that would be really pretty.

[44:39] Kimberly Cooper: I'm trying to think of the most puppy dog eyes I could find.

[44:42] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, yeah.

[44:43] Kimberly Cooper: And so that's where I went. And also, is everyone else excited about the Life of Pi eventually coming to Broadway?

[44:45] Ben Rimalower: Use a moi?

[44:45] Kimberly Cooper: The Life of Pi, the movie, like that was the book about like the guy who's familiar. It's coming to Broadway.

[44:58] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, it's on it's in London right now.

[45:00] Kimberly Cooper: The team from Warhorse.

[45:01] Ben Rimalower: Oh wait, really?

[45:03] Daniel Nolen: I didn't is it a musical?

[45:06] Kimberly Cooper: I don't think so.

[45:08] Ben Rimalower: Is the tiger sing?

[45:10] Daniel Nolen: Uh no, but it's like it's like with like Warhorse, there's like eight puppeteer actors who are doing this giant tiger, and apparently it's breathtaking.

[45:18] Bryan Plovsky: I loved I loved that movie they did of it. Speaking of animation, did you guys uh have you guys seen the photos from that Miyazaki spirited away live production they're doing it?

[45:31] Ben Rimalower: Oh yeah, it's coming to streaming.

[45:33] Daniel Nolen: No way, you'd be able to watch it.

[45:35] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, right there today. Uh let me look it up. I forget.

[45:39] Daniel Nolen: Oh, I saw it on TikTok today.

[45:41] Bryan Plovsky: Um, I was like literally about to plan a trip to Tokyo.

[45:47] Ben Rimalower: You can still go to Tokyo because that's the end of Kevin's Corner.

[45:51] Kevin Jager: Yeah.

[45:54] Ben Rimalower: Thank you. You're on the live action spirited away uh play to stream on Hulu this summer.

[46:01] Daniel Nolen: Oh fuck yeah.

[46:02] Ben Rimalower: I'm so excited.

[46:03] Daniel Nolen: That's amazing.

[46:05] Ben Rimalower: I mean, talk about Puppeteer. I mean, making that musical, or I don't know if it's musical, I think it's just a play, but uh out of that beautiful anime film is yeah, that's a perfect really exciting.

[46:16] Kimberly Cooper: July 3rd and 4th, they're live streaming the performances.

[46:22] Bryan Plovsky: Cool.

[46:23] Ben Rimalower: I have not seen that film because it's a cartoon, but it's wonderful.

[46:27] Kimberly Cooper: It's amazing.

[46:28] Ben Rimalower: Speak um, just so you if you if you care, HBO Max, all of the Studio Ghibli movies are on HBO Max.

[46:36] Kimberly Cooper: All the Miyazaki movies are there during the pandemic. I watched them all, they're spectacular.

[46:41] Daniel Nolen: Um I'm working my way through them right now.

[46:43] Ben Rimalower: Yeah.

[46:44] Daniel Nolen: Um, is that is that the director, or is that like the like the story writer or all of it?

[46:49] Ben Rimalower: Miyazaki is the director. Studio Ghibli is the is like his company.

[46:54] Daniel Nolen: Got it.

[46:55] Ben Rimalower: Yeah. Um, but uh speaking of live performances, uh tell us a little bit about what you guys do on Monday nights.

[47:05] Daniel Nolen: Well, uh, we have started uh this new show called Cast Offs every Monday night at Club Cumming in the East Village. It's just an hour-long uh kind of game show/slash variety show slash comedy show that we do.

[47:21] Ben Rimalower: Um kind of happened organically uh out of our podcast on uh Broadway World and Broadway Podcast Network, and then during the pandemic, it was uh we we added on a live stream, a weekly live stream component, and that went really well, and that was really fun.

[47:36] Daniel Nolen: And we kind of developed some different uh theater segments and diva adjacent segments and audience participation games during that live stream. Uh and after, you know, last summer when COVID was, you know, supposedly coming to a to a close. We were we had this conversation about maybe translating it to a live setting. Uh so that's what we've done, and it's it's been really fun so far.

[48:01] Bryan Plovsky: That's amazing. Um, just so everyone knows, um, in the description of this episode will be links to their show so you can find it through that. Um, but I guess what do you want? Like, we always ask this when someone comes on with you know with a show, like what people come, they see it, they leave. What do you want them to? We talk about like nostalgia and all that. Like, what do you want them to kind of leave with?

[48:25] Ben Rimalower: Um, that's a good question. I mean, the smell of burnt toast.

[48:32] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, I was trying to think of a joke answer. I mean, first of all, it's free. It's free.

[48:36] Ben Rimalower: So they're leaving, not having spent a whole boatload of money, which is good.

[48:40] Daniel Nolen: Oh, you mean because our show is free?

[48:43] Ben Rimalower: Yes, yes.

[48:44] Daniel Nolen: Oh, is that what you were asking us? What they want to take from our show?

[48:48] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[48:49] Daniel Nolen: I thought you meant today.

[48:53] Ben Rimalower: Oh, oh no. I don't I don't care what they take from Broadway. So I wanted to know what they think after your show. What do you what feeling you want them imbued with?

[49:02] Ben Rimalower: Oh.

[49:05] Daniel Nolen: I mean, I think it's just fun. It's just like I want them just to have a casual place to go where um, you know, like Daniel said, it's free, there's no cover, it's early, it's short, there's Broadway stuff, they can participate, they can win a prize, or they can just sit back and laugh.

[49:22] Ben Rimalower: And it's um just kind of like a low commitment thing that we that they just know is there every week that they don't have to sort of plan that they can just they can fit in to what they've already got going on, or when they don't have anything going on, they can make that the thing, you know.

[49:39] Daniel Nolen: It's all this millennial heard was low commitment.

[49:43] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, it's very low commitment.

[49:45] Daniel Nolen: Um, it's it's very short. So it's like with the time it takes you to watch an episode of you know whatever show you're watching, uh Tiger King, uh, you can watch one of our shows and um hopefully learn something. Uh I I also think uh, you know, we have a lot of kind of regulars who come back and um a lot of friends and friends of the show, and I and they're all becoming friends and they're all getting to know each other.

[50:09] Ben Rimalower: And even even during the pandemic, when we were doing the live stream, like some of our um like I one of our listeners and friends in South Africa became like besties with one of our friends here in New York. So I mean, it really is just kind of like a little tribe, you know, theaters, div uh theater divas. And you know, I always tell people Ben and I we're not uh purists, you know, we make fun of Broadway just as much as we celebrate it. So it's a very like low-key uh uh chill environment.

[50:39] Kimberly Cooper: I love that. And I would assume people can get like food, beverage, things like that.

[50:44] Daniel Nolen: No food. Uh I mean it's really just a hole in the wall uh club coming. It's the old gay bar Eastern blocker in my day, Wonder Bar. Uh so I mean they can barely pee. They certainly cannot order. Although sometimes for our for our prizes for our game, uh name that belt. Sometimes we do have uh food items to give away. Like one one uh around Christmas time, I got all these jelly bellies in my stocking that I didn't want. So we gave those away as prizes.

[51:10] Ben Rimalower: And then have you heard of your kids unwanted candy?

[51:16] Daniel Nolen: Yes, then you want the cheeseburger.

[51:19] Ben Rimalower: No, no, no, no. They had a lot of Girl Scout cookies one time, so we gave those away.

[51:24] Kimberly Cooper: So are there share plates? Is there a tasty in here?

[51:26] Ben Rimalower: No, no. But I have seen people get stuff delivered, so I feel like it's a very it's very fascinating.

[51:35] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, it's not fancy.

[51:37] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, there's no I imagine like a hotel.

[51:40] Daniel Nolen: Like yeah, like a hotel, like grab a kind bar.

[51:42] Ben Rimalower: It's not the Carlisle. You'll see somebody like eating a slice of pizza in a white paper bag.

[51:47] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, so I can get like I can get like the the burrito family meal from Taco Bell and like roll on in.

[51:55] Ben Rimalower: Oh my god, absolutely. I'll bring McDonald's, you bring Taco Bell, but I come with Wendy's it's not even the kid, it's not even the cantina, it's just regular Taco Bell.

[52:05] Daniel Nolen: I don't even think I've been to the cantina.

[52:07] Ben Rimalower: That's too fancy.

[52:08] Daniel Nolen: They're actually they're kind of fancy.

[52:10] Ben Rimalower: Is that the one on like there's one in Hell's Kitchen?

[52:12] Daniel Nolen: I think.

[52:13] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, yeah.

[52:14] Daniel Nolen: There's one on 30, like by like 34th and 8th almost.

[52:17] Ben Rimalower: And it's like it's it's fancy.

[52:20] Daniel Nolen: Oh, it's um Taco Bell.

[52:22] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, you're like you're like, so like you't believe it.

[52:31] Daniel Nolen: Right under Pearl Studios, like the thing is that what happened.

[52:32] Ben Rimalower: I don't know if I feel fancy when I'm getting the Doritos taco.

[52:36] Daniel Nolen: That's right. That's dirty talk.

[52:39] Ben Rimalower: I but do they have do they have alcohol? Do they have like margaritas and stuff?

[52:42] Daniel Nolen: They don't have beer, right?

[52:46] Ben Rimalower: They do, they have like they have like alcohol at the top that's the whole point, right?

[52:51] Daniel Nolen: It's called the cantina.

[52:53] Ben Rimalower: I don't know what that means. I don't I don't speak Spanish, I'm sorry.

[52:56] Daniel Nolen: Oh no, let me translate cantina means canteen.

[53:03] Ben Rimalower: So it's like the stage door cantina in Hills Canton. You should do a show there.

[53:07] Daniel Nolen: Yeah.

[53:08] Ben Rimalower: Oh my god. There would be food live from the cantina.

[53:15] Daniel Nolen: That will be like the next, you know, uh only a matter of time before they have an open mic.

[53:19] Ben Rimalower: Yeah.

[53:20] Daniel Nolen: It's like, yeah, the at the cantina. Yeah. Tonight we're seeing Joanna Gleason at the cantina. Find the signs at the Taco Bell.

[53:27] Ben Rimalower: Yeah.

[53:29] Daniel Nolen: Um small plates. Well, you can get a Dorito Tac.

[53:34] Ben Rimalower: Yo Kiero finds uh should we play a game?

[53:39] Kevin Jager: Yes, please.

[53:40] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, absolutely.

[53:42] Daniel Nolen: Speaking of your show, um, I made a game of plot points, but I've changed the title to Career Highlights, and I've scrolled through some of the people you've appreciated in the past.

[53:54] Ben Rimalower: So I have a list of some ladies, um, and then a list of obviously like picked all of their best songs. Um, so when it's your turn, you'll just I don't know, scroll or something to pick a card, basically, um, of one of each.

[54:11] Daniel Nolen: So you'll get a lady and a song, and so have us try and guess both.

[54:15] Ben Rimalower: So sing basically the resume of the woman you've received um to the tune of the song, okay.

[54:22] Daniel Nolen: Uh, so that we can guess both factors and the song.

[54:26] Ben Rimalower: Can we do a can we do a practice round?

[54:28] Kevin Jager: Yeah, Kevin will go first to sort of demonstrate.

[54:30] Ben Rimalower: Oh, great. With your raspy BR.

[54:32] Kevin Jager: I got it. We got a kid.

[54:35] Ben Rimalower: Um Kevin, why don't you just pick like two numbers between one and ten and we'll we'll do it that way.

[54:40] Kevin Jager: I will do six and eight.

[54:43] Ben Rimalower: Because they're my favorite numbers.

[54:45] Kevin Jager: Are they?

[54:46] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, I like the ones that you get to do like a like a curlier circle.

[54:50] Kevin Jager: You like a good squiggle.

[54:51] Ben Rimalower: I do.

[54:53] Daniel Nolen: I understand, understand.

[54:54] Ben Rimalower: Okay. Do you see the two in the chat?

[54:57] Kevin Jager: Oh god.

[54:58] Ben Rimalower: Um that helpful, or do you want to get a different for either or?

[55:03] Kevin Jager: Um I have a different for the second one.

[55:09] Ben Rimalower: Oh, yeah.

[55:14] Kevin Jager: Yep, I can do this one.

[55:18] Ben Rimalower: Um, but there's a problem.

[55:25] Kevin Jager: Hold on, I gotta figure out a good key.

[55:27] Ben Rimalower: Uh yeah, are you going patty or Madonna key?

[55:31] Kevin Jager: Uh yeah, we're going for Madonna like Madonna Low.

[55:35] Ben Rimalower: Um, okay.

[55:40] Kevin Jager: She can't say June.

[55:44] Ben Rimalower: She has a problem with saying this month it's so hard.

[55:48] Kevin Jager: Leslie, I guess.

[55:49] Ben Rimalower: Oh, let's uh go.

[55:50] Kevin Jager: Yes, and she can't stop saying this month incorrectly, but she is so good and she's really so smart, and I think she's the best, and she is really so good.

[56:05] Ben Rimalower: Ula, oula, oula.

[56:07] Kevin Jager: Oh, the shans.

[56:08] Ben Rimalower: Oh, ooh.

[56:09] Kevin Jager: Yes, but it what song did she sing?

[56:11] Ben Rimalower: Song.

[56:11] Kevin Jager: Oh, song on the sale.

[56:14] Ben Rimalower: Hey, oh, waiting for life to begin.

[56:20] Bryan Plovsky: I love that.

[56:20] Daniel Nolen: I literally heard your brain calculate what song it was.

[56:24] Ben Rimalower: You were like, no, judge, right, rub bro.

[56:26] Daniel Nolen: It was like the Rolodex was flipping.

[56:29] Bryan Plovsky: Wait for life.

[56:30] Daniel Nolen: Yes, that was it.

[56:31] Bryan Plovsky: All right, Brian, you're up.

[56:32] Kevin Jager: Two numbers between one and ten.

[56:34] Bryan Plovsky: I'll go with double three, three and three.

[56:37] Kevin Jager: All right.

[56:42] Bryan Plovsky: Oh, I spelled that wrong, but you'll understand.

[56:44] Daniel Nolen: Yeah.

[56:45] Ben Rimalower: Oh no, those two match.

[56:46] Kevin Jager: It can't be that one.

[56:47] Bryan Plovsky: You're getting four.

[56:48] Daniel Nolen: Okay, that's fine.

[56:54] Bryan Plovsky: All right.

[56:58] Kevin Jager: You understand what I mean?

[57:01] Ben Rimalower: No, I don't.

[57:05] Bryan Plovsky: Uh new, I need a new song.

[57:07] Daniel Nolen: No, I'm ashamed of you.

[57:10] Ben Rimalower: That's fine.

[57:11] Kevin Jager: I am too.

[57:12] Ben Rimalower: I don't know what it was, but I'm ashamed too.

[57:14] Bryan Plovsky: I can't have another one.

[57:17] Ben Rimalower: I know it, but I want another one.

[57:19] Bryan Plovsky: Brian.

[57:21] Kevin Jager: This is not my wheelhouse.

[57:23] Ben Rimalower: Wow, wow, wow.

[57:26] Bryan Plovsky: When we're done, I'm going to reveal those three songs he didn't know.

[57:30] Daniel Nolen: I mean, I don't know.

[57:31] Ben Rimalower: The thing is, I only know the line of these songs.

[57:35] Kevin Jager: That's fine to sing that line over and over.

[57:38] Bryan Plovsky: All right, give it to us, Brian.

[57:40] Ben Rimalower: Okay.

[57:41] Bryan Plovsky: Uh she was in the show The Show the songs from.

[57:47] Ben Rimalower: Uh, she was also in Cats.

[57:51] Kevin Jager: Uh she uh was in Carrie.

[57:56] Ben Rimalower: Betty Buck, Betty Buckley.

[57:58] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, yeah.

[57:59] Ben Rimalower: Uh and she was also in uh uh sorry I now I'm just thinking of the lyrics.

[58:08] Kevin Jager: Um this is a crash and burn for me.

[58:10] Ben Rimalower: Um she was also in uh uh split, and this is why she is great.

[58:21] Daniel Nolen: She was not getting to know you.

[58:25] Ben Rimalower: No.

[58:27] Kevin Jager: Well, they do kind of still they sound very similar.

[58:31] Ben Rimalower: Oh, that's funny.

[59:03] Daniel Nolen: Oh, before the parade passes by.

[59:03] Ben Rimalower: Yes, yes.

[59:03] Kevin Jager: Sorry, I cheated for you, Brian.

[59:03] Bryan Plovsky: That's totally fine.

[59:03] Ben Rimalower: Just humming it.

[59:03] Daniel Nolen: This is not so a lot of these songs on this list.

[59:03] Ben Rimalower: I do not listen to a lot of these shows.

[59:03] Kevin Jager: I know the songs.

[59:03] Ben Rimalower: If I heard I know what it was, but I remember them.

[59:03] Daniel Nolen: Well, she might use them again, but like I only really know, like in terms of like what's internalizing me, I only really know the like the like two verses that includes the chorus.

[59:03] Bryan Plovsky: So just to clarify, are we holding up before the parade passes by as an example of a song you do know?

[59:09] Ben Rimalower: I do know that.

[59:10] Kevin Jager: Oh, okay.

[59:14] Bryan Plovsky: Did you prove that to us just now?

[59:16] Ben Rimalower: No, no.

[59:17] Kevin Jager: But I was worried to give you any other song from that list.

[59:21] Daniel Nolen: I mean, yeah, I don't think Penny in My Pocket was gonna do that.

[59:28] Bryan Plovsky: Oh great.

[59:29] Ben Rimalower: Would you like a turn?

[59:31] Daniel Nolen: Oh, yes, please.

[59:32] Ben Rimalower: Two numbers between one and ten.

[59:34] Daniel Nolen: Okay.

[59:35] Ben Rimalower: Uh three and five.

[59:45] Daniel Nolen: Oh, I love you so much.

[59:52] Ben Rimalower: Um that it okay.

[59:56] Daniel Nolen: It's sad this person died.

[59:59] Ben Rimalower: It's tragic.

[1:00:00] Daniel Nolen: She got cancer, and she died when she was still too young.

[1:00:04] Ben Rimalower: Marin Maisie.

[1:00:06] Daniel Nolen: But this woman wasn't Joseph.

[1:00:10] Ben Rimalower: She was the best narrator.

[1:00:13] Daniel Nolen: Glory Beatrice.

[1:00:15] Ben Rimalower: But she never got the chance to play Norma Desmond.

[1:00:21] Daniel Nolen: She was a brilliant actress.

[1:00:25] Ben Rimalower: She was a wonderful singer.

[1:00:29] Daniel Nolen: She was never here.

[1:00:32] Ben Rimalower: And you never will.

[1:00:34] Daniel Nolen: It's uh, it's uh not for me, not for anyone who knows him.

[1:00:37] Ben Rimalower: Uh uh, you don't know this man.

[1:00:40] Daniel Nolen: Oh, yes.

[1:00:41] Ben Rimalower: Wonderful.

[1:00:42] Daniel Nolen: This is the best game ever.

[1:00:45] Ben Rimalower: This is a good game.

[1:00:47] Daniel Nolen: I might tell this from you, Kimberly.

[1:00:49] Ben Rimalower: You're really good.

[1:00:51] Daniel Nolen: We will call it the Kimberly game.

[1:00:54] Ben Rimalower: Everyone will be like, uh who I love that.

[1:00:59] Daniel Nolen: Yes, please.

[1:01:00] Bryan Plovsky: Two numbers between one and ten.

[1:01:03] Kevin Jager: Was that one of the songs Brian didn't know, by the way?

[1:01:06] Daniel Nolen: No, it was not.

[1:01:07] Ben Rimalower: Okay.

[1:01:08] Daniel Nolen: I will.

[1:01:08] Ben Rimalower: That was the one I wasn't gonna give him, and I made him do before the parade passes.

[1:01:11] Kevin Jager: I want to be very clear that I know those songs.

[1:01:16] Ben Rimalower: Like, I know them.

[1:01:18] Kevin Jager: I just cannot regurgitate them to you because like I'm realizing now that like my lit, it's very interesting.

[1:01:27] Ben Rimalower: I'm like, I'm like vehemently defending myself before you're you're like the little kid who's like I don't need to take this test I know it teacher I got it up here.

[1:01:27] Kevin Jager: Yes, that's definitely true but also like I'm realizing that like my we but we talk about this all the time my musical theater knowledge of what I know very well is so different than the two of them.

[1:01:27] Ben Rimalower: Um maybe it's because I'm a straight guy maybe it's like I don't know what the reason like well I mean yes that's probably it but like the things that I know very well are very different from the things that they know very well and I just before the things are revealed later on um I just want I'm gonna defend myself again in five minutes but I'm just I'm just putting it out there I'm like you don't know all of Linda Edder's albums that are non musical theater I didn't listen to any of that like that's the stuff I'd never listened to I don't listen I didn't listen I listened to the divas if they were in an album but I that those are with things that were not on repeat for me.

[1:02:27] Bryan Plovsky: But Brian to get to the big time unique unique time friends.

[1:02:32] Kevin Jager: What are they showing big time it's she's the best it's the most ridiculous albums ever.

[1:02:40] Ben Rimalower: Two numbers uh one and nine.

[1:02:40] Kevin Jager: Oh yeah a late night yes sir leads to good press sir worth all the sweat date worth it you bet oh gosh, okay.

[1:03:02] Ben Rimalower: This is doable.

[1:03:03] Kevin Jager: Okay.

[1:03:03] Ben Rimalower: Yeah uh I don't have a voice that's made for Broadway.

[1:03:15] Daniel Nolen: But I I don't like to go on stage without a friend.

[1:03:19] Ben Rimalower: Elaine Stretch.

[1:03:20] Daniel Nolen: Lane Stritch.

[1:03:21] Ben Rimalower: And with Harry here and Louie here.

[1:03:26] Kevin Jager: Ladies who lunge.

[1:03:27] Ben Rimalower: No, no, no.

[1:03:28] Kevin Jager: Um I'm gonna start to uh uh I used to sing at the car live.

[1:03:36] Daniel Nolen: It's June is busting out all over.

[1:03:37] Ben Rimalower: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[1:03:45] Kevin Jager: Yeah, he played the lane.

[1:03:48] Daniel Nolen: You like drunk history to that.

[1:03:50] Ben Rimalower: I love that.

[1:03:51] Kevin Jager: All right, you get to pick two numbers for me, and I will have a turn.

[1:03:55] Daniel Nolen: All right, your number is nine and ten.

[1:04:03] Kevin Jager: Keep getting ones that match.

[1:04:06] Ben Rimalower: Okay, nine and you got it.

[1:04:09] Kevin Jager: Yeah, unless you want to give me a second different second number.

[1:04:12] Daniel Nolen: No, go for it.

[1:04:13] Kevin Jager: Let's see what happens.

[1:04:15] Ben Rimalower: Can you hear Jay streaming in the back?

[1:04:18] Daniel Nolen: Yes.

[1:04:18] Kevin Jager: Cool.

[1:04:19] Ben Rimalower: I run my husband's playing a video game for the internet to hear and play.

[1:04:24] Daniel Nolen: And Broadway.

[1:04:26] Kevin Jager: Yeah, just so you know, someone just got a gifted sub.

[1:04:29] Ben Rimalower: Here we are.

[1:04:31] Kevin Jager: My husband is still out there looking for me.

[1:04:34] Ben Rimalower: He'll be there soon.

[1:04:35] Kevin Jager: He's just playing a video game quickly.

[1:04:40] Ben Rimalower: Um, okay.

[1:04:51] Kevin Jager: And in the heart.

[1:04:53] Daniel Nolen: When you walk through a storm over.

[1:04:57] Ben Rimalower: And when you see we're loving you.

[1:05:05] Kevin Jager: I under the gray.

[1:05:07] Ben Rimalower: Yes.

[1:05:09] Daniel Nolen: Yeah, find your girl.

[1:05:10] Ben Rimalower: Oh.

[1:05:11] Kevin Jager: And Donna Murphy.

[1:05:13] Ben Rimalower: That is great.

[1:05:14] Kevin Jager: I love John Murphy so much.

[1:05:16] Ben Rimalower: Perfect.

[1:05:16] Daniel Nolen: Do you want me to just um do the one Brian couldn't do and see if you can get it?

[1:05:21] Kevin Jager: Yes.

[1:05:21] Ben Rimalower: Yeah.

[1:05:22] Daniel Nolen: Yeah.

[1:05:22] Kevin Jager: Okay.

[1:05:23] Ben Rimalower: I'll pick a different person.

[1:05:24] Daniel Nolen: Because I know those.

[1:05:25] Ben Rimalower: You will get it, that's true.

[1:05:26] Kevin Jager: You just can't regurgitate them or approximate them.

[1:05:32] Ben Rimalower: Well, this brings us to the end of our episode.

[1:05:37] Kevin Jager: I'm not leaving without my uh Harrington photos.

[1:05:44] Ben Rimalower: It's actually very hard.

[1:05:46] Daniel Nolen: Um thank you.

[1:05:49] Ben Rimalower: You're welcome.

[1:05:50] Kevin Jager: Justice for Brian.

[1:05:52] Daniel Nolen: Exactly.

[1:05:53] Ben Rimalower: Yeah.

[1:05:55] Kevin Jager: She has been on Avenue Q.

[1:06:01] Daniel Nolen: Yes.

[1:06:01] Ben Rimalower: Oh.

[1:06:02] Kevin Jager: He has been.

[1:06:03] Ben Rimalower: And then last I saw her as Poop in Emoji Land of Brown.

[1:06:15] Daniel Nolen: Oh, sorry, hold on.

[1:06:19] Ben Rimalower: Pure Imagination.

[1:06:21] Daniel Nolen: No.

[1:06:23] Ben Rimalower: Uh.

[1:06:25] Daniel Nolen: And on the hit show smash, where she played a stage manager.

[1:06:34] Ben Rimalower: There's Sadie.

[1:06:39] Kevin Jager: That show was setting the stage.

[1:06:46] Ben Rimalower: The one me.

[1:06:49] Daniel Nolen: Oh, oh.

[1:06:53] Ben Rimalower: Yes, I just wrote star to be solo and Brian.

[1:06:56] Kevin Jager: I did not know what that meant.

[1:06:58] Ben Rimalower: Amazing.

[1:06:59] Daniel Nolen: Yeah.

[1:07:00] Ben Rimalower: And then the other one was ladies who lunch.

[1:07:02] Kevin Jager: You had belt in it.

[1:07:07] Ben Rimalower: Yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't used to the Kelly O'Hare version.

[1:07:11] Daniel Nolen: Yeah.

[1:07:13] Ben Rimalower: It's a little known track.

[1:07:14] Kevin Jager: She doesn't.

[1:07:15] Ben Rimalower: I was like, is it from Light in the Piazza?

[1:07:19] Daniel Nolen: Oh my god, it was so beautiful.

[1:07:21] Ben Rimalower: Um okay, you guys, I have to run because my my seamless is here.

[1:07:24] Kevin Jager: They weren't supposed to deliver until 8:30, but they were on it.

[1:07:28] Ben Rimalower: Here you are.

[1:07:29] Kevin Jager: Let's go.

[1:07:30] Ben Rimalower: No worries.

[1:07:30] Kevin Jager: That's the end of the game.

[1:07:31] Ben Rimalower: That has been career highlights.

[1:07:34] Kevin Jager: It's been a good one.

[1:07:36] Ben Rimalower: I'll say that much.

[1:07:37] Daniel Nolen: Yes.

[1:07:38] Ben Rimalower: Ben and I are gonna do some tinkering and some theft with that game.

[1:07:43] Kevin Jager: Absolutely.

[1:07:43] Ben Rimalower: But that does bring us to the end of our episode.

[1:07:46] Bryan Plovsky: So thank you so much for joining us.

[1:07:48] Kevin Jager: Check in the bio uh description of this episode for the Club Cumming information.

[1:07:54] Ben Rimalower: Um, we really appreciate you coming here.

[1:07:56] Kevin Jager: Check them out Monday nights at 8 p.m. at Club Cumming.

[1:07:58] Ben Rimalower: Uh, it's called Cast Offs with Ben Rimalower and Daniel Nolen.

[1:08:02] Kevin Jager: Check it out.

[1:08:03] Ben Rimalower: Obviously, it's going to be super, super fun, and it is already fun.

[1:08:07] Daniel Nolen: Um, so go check that out.

[1:08:09] Bryan Plovsky: Thank you, gentlemen, so much for joining us.

[1:08:11] Kevin Jager: We really, really appreciate you taking the time.

[1:08:13] Ben Rimalower: This was a lot of fun.

[1:08:14] Daniel Nolen: Thank you guys.

[1:08:15] Ben Rimalower: You guys are so much fun.

[1:08:16] Kevin Jager: We love Broadwaysted.

[1:08:18] Bryan Plovsky: Of course.

[1:08:19] Ben Rimalower: Um, well, thank you for joining us.

[1:08:21] Kevin Jager: Um, we end every episode with a quote.

[1:08:23] Ben Rimalower: We do.

[1:08:24] Kevin Jager: Yeah, we do, we do, and this one is um uh um uh I didn't write anything down, and no, I can't think of any quotes.

[1:08:35] Ben Rimalower: Here's the ladies who lunch, the song Ryan didn't know.

[1:08:40] Kevin Jager: I know ladies who lunch, thank you very much.

[1:08:42] Ben Rimalower: I just couldn't sing anything outside of Here's the Ladies Who Lunch.

[1:08:45] Kevin Jager: So the quote today is here's to the ladies who lunch.

[1:08:47] Ben Rimalower: Thank you very much.

[1:08:48] Kevin Jager: Um but uh yeah, yes, you can follow us at Broadwaysted, you can follow us um on all social media platforms, follow Kimberly Cooper, uh uh Kimber Coops or whatever it is on TikTok.

[1:08:59] Ben Rimalower: Um you can find us on Patreon.

[1:09:01] Kevin Jager: Big shout out to Holly Butcher, who just joined our Patreon.

[1:09:04] Ben Rimalower: Um, not just, but we're just getting to it.

[1:09:06] Kevin Jager: Um, thank you so much for joining the Patreon.

[1:09:09] Ben Rimalower: We really appreciate it.

[1:09:10] Kevin Jager: Holly shout out to Holly.

[1:09:11] Ben Rimalower: Woo!

[1:09:12] Kevin Jager: Holla, holla, holla.

[1:09:14] Ben Rimalower: Um, um, but yes, you can find us wherever you get podcasts, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, rate and review us there.

[1:09:21] Kevin Jager: Five stars.

[1:09:23] Ben Rimalower: Thank you.

[1:09:24] Kevin Jager: We always raise a glass and we say, cheers, cheers.

[1:09:33] Ben Rimalower: Um, yes, and for those of you who are watching this video on Patreon, I'm gonna share a picture.

[1:09:43] Kevin Jager: If I'm awaiting with baited breath.

[1:09:51] Ben Rimalower: Uh oh, beautiful screen grab, screen grab like six.

[1:09:59] Kevin Jager: This was like six years ago, five years ago, something like that.

[1:10:03] Ben Rimalower: Beautiful, so good, so good.

[1:10:06] Kevin Jager: But thanks, guys.

[1:10:07] Ben Rimalower: Thank you for joining us.

[1:10:08] Kevin Jager: Yeah, thank you.

[1:10:09] All: Bye, y'all.