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[0:04] Bryan Plofsky: Did you bring wine?

[0:05] Kevin Jaeger: I got the glasses.

[0:07] Kimberly Cooper: You guys, I made a quiz.

[0:08] Bryan Plofsky: I didn't bring anything, but I heard it's a bud.

[0:20] Bryan Plofsky: Hello, and welcome to the official Broadwaysted podcast where we're drunk on theater.

[0:24] Bryan Plofsky: I'm your host, Bryan Plofsky, and the power of love.

[0:27] Kevin Jaeger: It's alright.

[0:28] Kimberly Cooper: I never walk alone, but when I do, I'm stuck with you.

[0:31] Bryan Plofsky: It hit me like a hammer, but I know what I like, so it's hip to be square in this perfect world.

[0:36] Kevin Jaeger: The pitch, do you believe in love?

[0:38] Bryan Plofsky: Is back in time.

[0:40] Kimberly Cooper: The tattoo, giving it all up for love.

[0:42] Bryan Plofsky: So be someone.

[0:43] Kevin Jaeger: That's not me, but give me the keys and I'll drive you crazy with the heart of rock and roll.

[0:48] Bryan Plofsky: Joining us today are the usual Jacobs ladders, including Kevin working for a living.

[0:52] Kevin Jaeger: Always working, baby.

[0:54] Bryan Plofsky: Kim and Lear doing it all for my baby game master, an unofficial babysitter for the hour.

[1:00] Kimberly Cooper: Listen, he's with his own babysitter now.

[1:03] Bryan Plofsky: And with us today is an award-winning master choreographer who has probably put the steps to one of your favorite productions, like Waitress, Into the Woods, Mrs. Doubtfire, as well as Once Upon a Mattress and Oliver at City Center.

[1:15] Bryan Plofsky: Catcher, we're currently on Broadway in the heart of Rock and Roll.

[1:18] Kevin Jaeger: It is hot in here.

[1:20] Bryan Plofsky: The heart of rock and roll.

[1:21] Bryan Plofsky: And Tommy, let's give a big Broadway welcome to friend of the show.

[1:21] Lorin Latarro: Friend of the show.

[1:29] Lorin Latarro: I'm so happy to be here.

[1:30] Bryan Plofsky: Thank you so much for joining us.

[1:32] Bryan Plofsky: I was saying before we even started that between the three of us, I think we've all seen your at least the work that I've just mentioned.

[1:40] Bryan Plofsky: I'm really excited to kind of talk through a lot of this.

[1:44] Bryan Plofsky: But before we jump into any of that, what's your favorite musical?

[1:48] Lorin Latarro: Oh boy, Kiss Me, Kate.

[1:50] Bryan Plofsky: Is it?

[1:51] Lorin Latarro: I think so.

[1:51] Lorin Latarro: She's ready.

[1:52] Bryan Plofsky: Did you grow up with the movie?

[1:54] Lorin Latarro: Did you see like what I grew up with the movie, and then that was one of my first properties I danced in.

[1:59] Lorin Latarro: So ding ding ding.

[2:02] Lorin Latarro: And I love it.

[2:04] Lorin Latarro: Yeah.

[2:04] Lorin Latarro: That and Singing in the Rain, I'd say.

[2:06] Kevin Jaeger: Sure.

[2:07] Bryan Plofsky: When did you, I guess my assumption is like when you were young, you fell in love with musicals. At what point did you realize that like you could, there was, you know, that you could be on the creative team as well as the cast and like be a part of the building of the show itself from a dancing perspective?

[2:26] Lorin Latarro: First grade.

[2:27] Lorin Latarro: Yeah.

[2:28] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, and in first grade, I told everybody I was gonna be working on Broadway, and when I was too old to dance, I was gonna choreograph.

[2:34] Lorin Latarro: That was in the, I was like, I came out of the womb.

[2:37] Lorin Latarro: I can't do anything else.

[2:38] Lorin Latarro: You have to understand.

[2:38] Lorin Latarro: I cannot cook, I cannot drive.

[2:42] Lorin Latarro: I just literally, my husband says an alien ship came down, pushed me out, and went dance.

[2:46] Bryan Plofsky: So that is the first show you saw.

[2:50] Lorin Latarro: Like Annie.

[2:52] Lorin Latarro: Annie and then The King and I.

[2:54] Lorin Latarro: And I remember the shoes I was wearing, and I remember the candy.

[2:57] Lorin Latarro: My mom unwrapped the candy and put it in a little plastic bag for me.

[3:01] Lorin Latarro: So I like I remember like the candy I ate.

[3:03] Kimberly Cooper: Oh wow.

[3:04] Lorin Latarro: Isn't that crazy?

[3:05] Bryan Plofsky: You rest.

[3:06] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah, those memories that just like wow.

[3:07] Lorin Latarro: That's an incredible core memory.

[3:09] Lorin Latarro: Yes, core memory.

[3:10] Lorin Latarro: I said crisscross applesauce in a chair with candy.

[3:15] Kimberly Cooper: Oh my god.

[3:16] Lorin Latarro: That's a song.

[3:17] Kimberly Cooper: Yeah.

[3:18] Lorin Latarro: Wow.

[3:19] Lorin Latarro: Your resume, which is pretty incredible, but also very diverse in terms of the shows, the themes, and obviously like the styles.

[3:29] Bryan Plofsky: I guess how do you specifically pull from your experiences from the shows that you had seen growing up and kind of matching that style, that theme, that what you want to convey?

[3:43] Lorin Latarro: I mean, the story tells you how to dance always.

[3:46] Lorin Latarro: And you know, like I said, all I can do is dance, so hopefully I can do more than one style.

[3:51] Lorin Latarro: But the stories tell you how to dance.

[3:53] Lorin Latarro: And you know, I grew up at a time watching people like Joanne Hunter and Marianne Lamb and Nancy the Menninger, and these were my goddesses.

[4:02] Lorin Latarro: You know, when I was in fifth grade, I'd be watching them, and I wanted to dance like them.

[4:06] Lorin Latarro: And you know, nobody dances like these girls did.

[4:09] Lorin Latarro: And so my casts, I do, and I sit down and I say, I want you to go watch this, and I want you to go like this.

[4:15] Lorin Latarro: And it's funny, another choreographer just said to me, how do you get these kids to dance?

[4:19] Lorin Latarro: I struggle with my cast.

[4:20] Lorin Latarro: They say it's too hard, and what do you do?

[4:22] Lorin Latarro: And I say, you know, I tell them that this is what I did, and this is Broadway, and you know, they can do it.

[4:28] Lorin Latarro: And then I say, if it's too hard, we'll figure something out.

[4:30] Lorin Latarro: But they really, especially Tommy and Heart and Rock and Roll, the dancers in those two shows are like, they've got like old school juju.

[4:38] Lorin Latarro: They are just giving it a thousand percent on stage every night, and they're amazing.

[4:44] Bryan Plofsky: That's incredible.

[4:47] Bryan Plofsky: My parents saw Tommy last night and just absolutely loved it.

[4:50] Lorin Latarro: Good.

[4:50] Bryan Plofsky: They are tough critics, let me tell you.

[4:53] Lorin Latarro: So they love it.

[4:54] Bryan Plofsky: They're like a big step.

[4:56] Bryan Plofsky: But um, uh, uh so you have two shows on, as we mentioned right now, which are drastically different.

[5:02] Lorin Latarro: Yes.

[5:03] Bryan Plofsky: I don't know what the chronological aspect of that is, but like I assume at one point there was a lot of overlap with those two.

[5:10] Lorin Latarro: How did you kind of stay true to each style without accidentally teaching the wrong side?

[5:19] Lorin Latarro: Like, oh, I'm sorry.

[5:20] Lorin Latarro: It's funny, there's only one dance step that is in both shows.

[5:24] Lorin Latarro: Really?

[5:24] Lorin Latarro: So both casts came to see the other one, so I was like, you guys have to guess.

[5:27] Lorin Latarro: If you guess the dance step, you'll get a bottle of alcohol, and you're still like so they all do it was really funny, and they went crazy cheering in the middle of a dance, and I was like, why are the people cheering?

[5:37] Lorin Latarro: It's because they found this.

[5:41] Lorin Latarro: I know I love them so much.

[5:43] Lorin Latarro: Um, yeah, you know what?

[5:44] Lorin Latarro: I don't know.

[5:45] Lorin Latarro: I feel like I'm a mom.

[5:48] Lorin Latarro: Uh yeah, you're a mom.

[5:49] Lorin Latarro: Because I feel like since becoming a mom, like the world has become like you you see the world so differently.

[5:55] Lorin Latarro: Like everything used to be really happy or really dark.

[5:57] Lorin Latarro: Then you become a mom.

[5:59] Lorin Latarro: And it's either like the most joyous moment in the universe, or everybody's gonna die.

[6:11] Lorin Latarro: And you'd never realize this until you have a kid, and you're like, oh, I just crossed the street.

[6:14] Lorin Latarro: Then you have a child, and you're like, get out of my way.

[6:19] Lorin Latarro: You watch me take James on the subway today.

[6:22] Lorin Latarro: So I feel like all I do is take on those giant, juxtaposing huge feelings, and I get to put them on stage.

[6:31] Lorin Latarro: You know, yeah, and it's just like I guess like it's just natural in terms of like there's no like strategy to it, it's just like this is the job, I have to do it.

[6:39] Lorin Latarro: And also, we all have these extreme feelings of yes of actual like the world is everything's terrible and we're all gonna die, and you know, I just want to become Tommy and stop even like seeing anything.

[6:52] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, and then we all have these like joy bomb moments where you're like, the world is great, and we should all live in an 80s movie, and then yeah.

[6:59] Bryan Plofsky: So we've never actually asked this question to a choreographer before, which I'm very excited about.

[7:06] Bryan Plofsky: So we ask if you could choreograph something over the course of your entire career, and it would be the same show, so when you're 15, you choreograph the show, and then you get to re-choreograph it at 20, and so on and so forth.

[7:21] Bryan Plofsky: Is there a show that you would love to like take multiple cracks at over the course of your life and how you've grown and how you've experienced things?

[7:30] Lorin Latarro: That's such a beautiful question.

[7:32] Lorin Latarro: I mean, I something familial, I think, would be the answer.

[7:37] Lorin Latarro: Um or revisiting like something like Waitress, I actually think would be really cool to revisit now that I am a mom.

[7:45] Lorin Latarro: And then again, like, you know, when she grows up, but I think something like Waitress that has that emotional heft.

[7:51] Lorin Latarro: Because, you know, it's sort of I say I live my life in a chorus line um sentences, like there's a moment where you're like, I just want to be in the chorus, and then there's a moment where you're like, I can't be in the chorus anymore, and we're the same thing, and then there's a moment where you're shield and you're like, how many more years do I have left?

[8:08] Lorin Latarro: And then at a certain point, you're Zach and you're like, what am I gonna do?

[8:10] Lorin Latarro: Dance steps for the rest of my life, I want to direct.

[8:14] Lorin Latarro: So funny.

[8:15] Lorin Latarro: Um so I feel like a chorus line would be another one.

[8:17] Kevin Jaeger: Sure.

[8:18] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, but right, it's like everyone, yeah.

[8:20] Bryan Plofsky: Every like life stage exists in chorus line.

[8:20] Lorin Latarro: What would you say is like your philosophy on what like the art of dance brings to the storytelling and musical theater?

[8:32] Lorin Latarro: Everything.

[8:34] Lorin Latarro: There is no Broadway without dancing.

[8:36] Lorin Latarro: No, it's no Broadway with dances.

[8:36] Lorin Latarro: I mean, it's like even the tiniest shows, like a show like Dear Evan Hansen that you think doesn't have movement, has tons of movement.

[8:45] Lorin Latarro: That choreographer, I don't um he he did tons of things on that stage.

[8:50] Lorin Latarro: Do you know what I mean?

[8:51] Lorin Latarro: And it's like you don't move a pencil without choreography, and I just think um, and that's what's so beautiful about it.

[8:57] Lorin Latarro: There's moments in Tommy where Christina Sejou asks for money and she just puts her palm out and he gives her money, and then she just looks down at her palm and looks back up and doesn't move her palm.

[9:07] Lorin Latarro: And everybody in the theater laughs because they know she wants more money.

[9:11] Lorin Latarro: And it's an eye movement that does it.

[9:13] Lorin Latarro: You know what I mean?

[9:14] Lorin Latarro: It's the stillness that does it.

[9:16] Lorin Latarro: I love that stuff just as much as like giant, giant dance numbers, which I also really love.

[9:21] Lorin Latarro: And the way it's like actors, like the movement informs the character.

[9:24] Bryan Plofsky: I feel like there's a lot of, you know, people approach things different ways, but some people will approach from how does this person move?

[9:31] Bryan Plofsky: Do you do you think of it that way, like thinking of like the language, like the body language of each character, or do you think more of like the body language of like the show?

[9:39] Lorin Latarro: A little of both.

[9:41] Lorin Latarro: I mean, it's like Tommy has a uh an overarching language, but then like Mrs. Walker moves a certain way inside of that.

[9:45] Lorin Latarro: Tommy clearly moves a certain way in tight of it, but even the kids as they get older from act one to act two move very differently inside of that.

[9:54] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, but the whole show has like a modernist sort of stroke to it.

[9:59] Bryan Plofsky: How involved are you with kind of like blocking and obviously probably show by show, director by director, but um how involved have you been with like because like the movement of the characters, like that whole piece of it outside of like what we would assume is a stereotypical role for a choreographer in terms of like the numbers?

[10:18] Lorin Latarro: A lot of it.

[10:19] Lorin Latarro: I mean, the kids in Tommy, we did like tons of exercises on how they walk on stage, but essentially when the music's playing, I'm in a room, and that means you know, I call them park and barks where you just react as like you know, there's like three moves, and yet it's really important when there's a modulation and maybe step forward towards the audience a little bit, and it's really important when you decide to move stage right or stage left, or when you retreat and retreating is really important.

[10:43] Lorin Latarro: How do you take a step back is everything?

[10:45] Bryan Plofsky: This is so cool.

[10:47] Bryan Plofsky: Do you know where else we take a step back?

[10:49] Kevin Jaeger: Where, Bryan?

[10:51] Bryan Plofsky: Tuesday in the corner with Kevin.

[10:56] Kevin Jaeger: Welcome to Kevin's Corner.

[10:57] Kevin Jaeger: It's my part of the show.

[10:58] Kevin Jaeger: Is it your own little corner?

[11:00] Kevin Jaeger: It is, in my own little chair and everything.

[11:03] Kevin Jaeger: Turned from Sunny in the Park to like Prince Ali.

[11:07] Lorin Latarro: Oh yeah.

[11:09] Kevin Jaeger: I don't know how that happened, but we just kind of worked.

[11:14] Lorin Latarro: Oh, a break.

[11:14] Kevin Jaeger: And I take a sip, and then I remember that I talk at the end of it.

[11:17] Kevin Jaeger: This is Kevin's Corner.

[11:19] Kevin Jaeger: Well, welcome to Kevin's Corner, where um I get to do whatever I want in this part of the show because I think it's awesome.

[11:25] Kevin Jaeger: So uh this is Kevin's Corner 2.0, so I've made it digital.

[11:29] Kevin Jaeger: So I've based uh the topics off of websites.

[11:32] Kevin Jaeger: So you have two different uh websites that you can choose from, and then you'll have a question from there.

[11:37] Lorin Latarro: Okay.

[11:37] Kevin Jaeger: So the first website is Kevin's PicTok Duets.

[11:41] Kevin Jaeger: Or you could do Kevin's 23 and me, me, me, me.

[11:45] Lorin Latarro: Oh duets.

[11:47] Kevin Jaeger: Okay.

[11:48] Kevin Jaeger: Alright, great, here we go.

[11:49] Kevin Jaeger: So what the duets is is I'm gonna give you two random musical theater characters from different shows, and you have to tell me how they would interact with each other in a 90-minute show.

[11:59] Lorin Latarro: Oh gosh, I hope I know the characters.

[12:01] Kevin Jaeger: So um the first character is going to be Mrs. Potts from Beauty and the Beast, and the second character is going to be Sweeney Todd. So those are your two characters, and how they interact in a 90-minute show.

[12:15] Lorin Latarro: Oh boy, I don't know. I don't know. I have a little like poor little pot pot potpot.

[12:27] Kevin Jaeger: Also that you chose Angela Lansbury.

[12:29] Lorin Latarro: I did, basically I just gave us Sweeney Todd.

[12:32] Kevin Jaeger: I know, as soon as I say that out loud, I was like, but she's Mrs. Potts now.

[12:37] Lorin Latarro: So um, what would be like their how would they meet?

[12:37] Kevin Jaeger: How would they meet?

[12:42] Lorin Latarro: They'd meet in the pie shop.

[12:44] Kevin Jaeger: Obviously.

[12:45] Lorin Latarro: I don't know. Maybe there'd be a little tea with the pie.

[12:48] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, definitely.

[12:49] Lorin Latarro: Oh, she's bought the pie shop and turned it into a tea shop.

[12:52] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, that's amazing.

[12:53] Lorin Latarro: And so he's come back looking for love and she's gone. This is after the two of them have.

[12:58] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, I'm obsessed. This is on the Disney Channel.

[12:59] Lorin Latarro: This is like the descendants of Sweeney Todd.

[13:06] Kevin Jaeger: And they're bow, they jump into the pit and you know, essentially go downhill.

[13:10] Lorin Latarro: And then comes up Angela Lansbury in a sequin dress with a sequin pie.

[13:17] Kevin Jaeger: Whoa.

[13:18] Lorin Latarro: And that's the new act too.

[13:19] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my god.

[13:20] Lorin Latarro: And then it becomes her pie shop, and now there's tea in the pie shop.

[13:23] Kevin Jaeger: So liquidate.

[13:25] Lorin Latarro: Wait. I want this.

[13:27] Kevin Jaeger: She even designed an entrance.

[13:29] Lorin Latarro: Super impressive.

[13:31] Kevin Jaeger: Liquidate the people and be like, mmm, this tastes like the upper.

[13:35] Lorin Latarro: Liquidating the people.

[13:36] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my goodness.

[13:40] Lorin Latarro: Would be an awesome soft.

[13:42] Kevin Jaeger: That would be so good.

[13:43] Lorin Latarro: Like absolutely.

[13:45] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[13:49] Lorin Latarro: I'm obsessed with that. You did a really good job.

[13:50] Kevin Jaeger: I mean, I shouldn't have expected that somebody that like builds musicals is gonna come up with a good idea.

[13:56] Lorin Latarro: But this has been Kevin's Corner.

[13:57] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[13:59] Lorin Latarro: I have a question though, outside of Kevin's Corner.

[14:01] Kevin Jaeger: We're back into the real world. Just so you know.

[14:03] Lorin Latarro: So for context. Um, so you the waitress was actually filmed for uh was it on Apple TV?

[14:12] Kevin Jaeger: Went to Netflix ultimately.

[14:13] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, so it's everything. Is it out yet?

[14:15] Kevin Jaeger: Uh yes, I bought it on uh Amazon and it's incredible.

[14:18] Lorin Latarro: Um sponsored.

[14:19] Kevin Jaeger: Not sponsored.

[14:21] Lorin Latarro: What is experiencing what is the experience like to take something that you choreographed for stage and then be told, okay, we're gonna put like three or four cameras on stage and make it look the same, but also great for TV?

[14:33] Kevin Jaeger: Like how what is that like to do?

[14:35] Lorin Latarro: Oh, super fun. And I love choreographing for film. I actually have my master's in film and TV.

[14:40] Kevin Jaeger: I got it over the pandemic, so this was fun.

[14:43] Lorin Latarro: Was the first job that came back after the pandemic, so you're like perfect, my degree to work.

[14:48] Kevin Jaeger: And just to say, the writer or waitress, Jesse Nelson, is an Oscar nominated and winning film director.

[14:55] Lorin Latarro: So it was like, it wasn't like, you know, like and it's funny the guy. You were like, what are we doing? It was camera, and Jesse was like, maybe we should do this, and they were like, we got this.

[15:04] Lorin Latarro: And I was like, Do you know her?

[15:08] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, my model this and everything.

[15:10] Lorin Latarro: Um, but you know, waitress, it was perfect on film because it's such subtle movement.

[15:17] Kevin Jaeger: And so actually, I kind of think from a choreographic standpoint, in a way, it's even more successful on film because of how small it is.

[15:27] Lorin Latarro: Oh, it's such a good show.

[15:28] Kevin Jaeger: I know.

[15:29] Lorin Latarro: And that was what was it like being able to work with a fully female creative team?

[15:33] Kevin Jaeger: It was a big thing.

[15:34] Lorin Latarro: I mean, you know, they're amazing. We had a blast.

[15:37] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my god, yeah.

[15:38] Lorin Latarro: I keep jumping. And then you got to work with Sarah as an actor.

[15:43] Kevin Jaeger: But into the woods.

[15:44] Lorin Latarro: Yeah. Was that funny to take? And then in waitress, she took over.

[15:47] Kevin Jaeger: So that was weird.

[15:48] Lorin Latarro: But was it interesting that she was?

[15:49] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, was it weird to choreograph direct like the writer of the show?

[15:53] Lorin Latarro: It's fine. She's so cool.

[15:54] Kevin Jaeger: I mean, she's so extraordinary.

[15:58] Lorin Latarro: She's like, she's a very special person.

[16:02] Kevin Jaeger: That's so exciting.

[16:03] Lorin Latarro: That's very cool.

[16:03] Kevin Jaeger: And like, I guess I mean, do you go through a process for yourself when you're picking shows or when you're offered shows if it's something that you're interested in?

[16:15] Lorin Latarro: Like, I mean, is it more of a just like uh I'm just like so happy in this world to have the work?

[16:20] Kevin Jaeger: Generally, yeah.

[16:21] Lorin Latarro: That's what I figured.

[16:22] Kevin Jaeger: But like I guess when you're I let's say you you take something and then you're given the script and you make your demos or or whatever the case may be.

[16:29] Lorin Latarro: Like, where do you start when it comes to figuring out the movement world of the piece?

[16:34] Kevin Jaeger: Totally.

[16:35] Lorin Latarro: I do not listen to the music first.

[16:36] Kevin Jaeger: Okay.

[16:37] Lorin Latarro: Because it seduces you.

[16:38] Kevin Jaeger: And you and then the you know, I really read the script first, and I try and like close my eyes and write notes.

[16:45] Lorin Latarro: I know. You can't ever get back the first time you read a script.

[16:49] Kevin Jaeger: So I've I've learned the hard way to have a notepad next to you when you're reading it the first time.

[16:56] Lorin Latarro: Because that's when your brain really is that's when you're like the pictures are coming in for me anyway.

[17:02] Kevin Jaeger: That's when I see the most.

[17:04] Lorin Latarro: You know what I mean? I call it like I kind of see pictures between the lines, and then I just scribble and I write things down and I take a ton of notes, and then I wait a couple days, then I go back and do the same thing, but this time click on the music.

[17:17] Kevin Jaeger: You know, a lot of times now with computers, there's like embedded music so you can just click on the title and sucks.

[17:23] Lorin Latarro: So I wait until the second pass to do that.

[17:26] Kevin Jaeger: And do you um uh you just read lyrics the first time?

[17:30] Lorin Latarro: Yes, I just read lyrics the first time.

[17:32] Kevin Jaeger: Because I really want it to be about dramaturgy.

[17:36] Lorin Latarro: So I, you know what I mean, so that I can see.

[17:38] Kevin Jaeger: Instead of just like this is a fun number.

[17:41] Lorin Latarro: This is in three fours.

[17:47] Kevin Jaeger: Yes.

[17:48] Lorin Latarro: And it's probably hard to get back the first listen even more than the first read.

[17:53] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[17:54] Lorin Latarro: It's impossible, yeah.

[17:54] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, or then you read it and you're like, oh that fun thing I had planned doesn't make any sense.

[17:58] Lorin Latarro: Right.

[17:58] Kevin Jaeger: I'll do it anyway.

[18:02] Lorin Latarro: Oh, this is the idea I had for the page, and then you're like, oh, it's a bossa nova.

[18:06] Kevin Jaeger: And you're like, oh well that's cool to do that on top of a bossa nova, but if you would listen to the music first, you'd be like, it's a bossa nova.

[18:13] Lorin Latarro: Sure.

[18:13] Kevin Jaeger: Do you know what I mean?

[18:14] Lorin Latarro: And then you're and then you're not layering anything.

[18:15] Kevin Jaeger: You're just like a bossa nova.

[18:17] Lorin Latarro: Yeah.

[18:18] Kevin Jaeger: Is there uh like first reaction?

[18:21] Lorin Latarro: Is there a number in your career that was the hardest for you to kind of like conceptualize?

[18:27] Kevin Jaeger: We changed it maybe ten times.

[18:29] Lorin Latarro: Really?

[18:29] Kevin Jaeger: There's three songs that we changed it to.

[18:31] Lorin Latarro: We cut it. The first few previews on Broadway the first time around had no opening number.

[18:36] Kevin Jaeger: We worded it too.

[18:38] Lorin Latarro: It started in the bathroom.

[18:41] Kevin Jaeger: Oh.

[18:42] Lorin Latarro: Mm-hmm.

[18:43] Kevin Jaeger: Interesting.

[18:44] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, okay.

[18:44] Kevin Jaeger: Uh-huh.

[18:46] Lorin Latarro: And we didn't know what to do.

[18:48] Kevin Jaeger: It like we had so many iterations of this opening number, and it was like and then one day in tech, they were ripping apart the opening like the set, they were changing the set, and Diane and I were on stage.

[19:00] Lorin Latarro: We were talking about it, and they'd like taken away the tables and chairs, and they'd like lifted the chairs up on one table, and they it was like totally deconstructed.

[19:10] Kevin Jaeger: The crew.

[19:10] Lorin Latarro: And we were like, That's it.

[19:13] Kevin Jaeger: We're starting too late in the opening number.

[19:15] Lorin Latarro: That's why we have nowhere to go.

[19:16] Kevin Jaeger: We have to start, we have to construct the theater.

[19:19] Lorin Latarro: The set in front of us.

[19:22] Kevin Jaeger: So now then we went back into the studio.

[19:24] Lorin Latarro: I think I woke up at 4 a.m. that day.

[19:26] Kevin Jaeger: I set my alarm for four and like mapped everything out from four to seven or eight a.m.

[19:31] Lorin Latarro: And then got into the studio either here or Ripley at 9 a.m. with dancers and like prepped it and then tacked it that day and it was in that night.

[19:39] Kevin Jaeger: And it was just the opening of waitress now, right?

[19:43] Lorin Latarro: Now forever. Open is empty stage, then the cards come on, yeah, then the things come on the pie cards, and then the restaurant.

[19:53] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[19:55] Lorin Latarro: Was the song always the same?

[19:57] Kevin Jaeger: No, like do you like she wrote that song like when you all figured that like out?

[20:00] Lorin Latarro: Or the end version is like a mishmash, but there's like another song called Down at the Diner.

[20:06] Kevin Jaeger: Uh oh uh Down at the Diner.

[20:09] Lorin Latarro: And then at one point I was like, oh, I've got it, which I didn't have it.

[20:13] Kevin Jaeger: We did like this like um pickup, it was actually from a Disney thing, an Elmo thing, where they're um in a washing anyway, where they pick up, so it was like the stir of a coffee pouring the sugar, shh oh sure, yeah, boom-boom, walking in, like you know, cheers, check.

[20:32] Lorin Latarro: So and we did this like whole thing, and that was in for a couple previews.

[20:35] Kevin Jaeger: Got cut.

[20:37] Lorin Latarro: So interesting.

[20:38] Kevin Jaeger: Open it up is one of my sisters' favorite opening numbers.

[20:42] Lorin Latarro: It's what Jay and I play when we're cleaning our apartment.

[20:45] Kevin Jaeger: We like need like some motivation we're like open it up, and we like get our kitchen back to one.

[20:51] Lorin Latarro: That's right, after the baby's asleep.

[20:53] Kevin Jaeger: That's so fascinating.

[20:54] Lorin Latarro: Talking about things getting cut.

[20:55] Kevin Jaeger: Like, what is can you think of like one number that you created that you were like, this is incredible, and then just for the story it got cut, and it like broke your heart.

[21:02] Lorin Latarro: Oh, uh way to bring it down, Kevin.

[21:06] Kevin Jaeger: I mean, I just um yes, in Tommy.

[21:11] Lorin Latarro: We did this thing when she breaks Dez, I love you. When she says when when at one point she breaks the mirror for Tommy, and that's when Tommy breaks free out of his.

[21:21] Kevin Jaeger: It's called um, it's you know, my husband's a neurosurgeon, and it's he runs Mount Sinai, so it's called conversion disorder.

[21:29] Lorin Latarro: It's a neurotypical person can have it. It's from trauma, and you can experience not seeing, not hearing, not feeling, not being able to walk, not being able to eat, there's all kinds of things.

[21:40] Kevin Jaeger: So Tommy has conversion disorder, which is any any one of us can have this.

[21:45] Lorin Latarro: And um, when she breaks him out of it, I had all the dancers come out in their um, you know, boomerang uh kabuki wear, and they had objects, then they lifted the objects in the air from like moments of his life, like the yellow flowers or the briefcase or whatever it is, and everybody just sort of twirls and loops these things, and it's this really cool thing, and then she looks at them and they all suck away.

[22:10] Kevin Jaeger: And then we got on stage, there was this massive, amazing digital event that was happening on stage that was like 40 feet.

[22:18] Lorin Latarro: Oh, sure.

[22:19] Kevin Jaeger: And the two of them sort of collided in such an inelegant way.

[22:24] Lorin Latarro: And one had to go.

[22:26] Kevin Jaeger: One had to go.

[22:27] Lorin Latarro: Oh.

[22:28] Kevin Jaeger: And after like 20 minutes of me gently being like, but here's why it should stay.

[22:33] Lorin Latarro: I was like, But if they were taller, you know, look, I have a real baby at home, you can kill this baby.

[22:41] Kevin Jaeger: Right.

[22:44] Lorin Latarro: Absolutely.

[22:45] Kevin Jaeger: Um, should we play a game?

[22:46] Lorin Latarro: Oh, yeah.

[22:47] Kevin Jaeger: Absolutely.

[22:48] Lorin Latarro: I'm gonna take this pile of Lights of Broadway show cards, and we'll play a game.

[22:53] Kevin Jaeger: Sponsored, I guess.

[22:54] Lorin Latarro: Yes.

[22:55] Kevin Jaeger: Sure, it's still sponsored.

[22:56] Lorin Latarro: No, they're wonderful.

[22:57] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, they're the best.

[22:58] Lorin Latarro: Um, and we'll play a game called Pass It.

[23:01] Kevin Jaeger: So when it is your turn, you will take the show card deck, pull a card, keep it to yourself, and pass the deck to the person next to you.

[23:09] Lorin Latarro: Okay.

[23:10] Kevin Jaeger: And then we'll sort of say, go.

[23:15] Lorin Latarro: Go.

[23:17] Kevin Jaeger: In my mind there was a timer involved, so let's get my timer out.

[23:20] Lorin Latarro: Okay, great.

[23:21] Kevin Jaeger: Okay. And then the person holding the deck is going to have 30 seconds to shuffle through the deck and find a show connected to the show that you have called out.

[23:32] Lorin Latarro: Oh, but you name the name the screen or the show.

[23:35] Kevin Jaeger: These are all shows.

[23:36] Lorin Latarro: Oh, I see.

[23:37] Kevin Jaeger: So you'll say the show, and then you would have time to sort of scroll through the deck and find a show that like this person was also in this.

[23:45] Lorin Latarro: Or like this person.

[23:46] Kevin Jaeger: Okay.

[23:47] Lorin Latarro: I'm gonna be terrible at this time.

[23:48] Kevin Jaeger: And then whatever that show is, time is the next person.

[23:52] Lorin Latarro: So you pass the deck.

[23:54] Kevin Jaeger: The next person has to connect to that show, connect to that show, connect to that show.

[23:57] Lorin Latarro: Okay.

[23:58] Kevin Jaeger: Um, and then you keep whatever card you have.

[24:01] Kimberly Cooper: Got it.

[24:02] Bryan Plofsky: And we'll just do like two minutes and see how many we can get through.

[24:05] Kevin Jaeger: Okay.

[24:05] Lorin Latarro: Yeah.

[24:06] Kimberly Cooper: Sure.

[24:07] Bryan Plofsky: Love it. What's this called?

[24:08] Kevin Jaeger: Pass it!

[24:09] Lorin Latarro: Oh, right, you said that.

[24:11] Kimberly Cooper: Okay. Alright. Uh, are you gonna read yours out first that you picked already?

[24:14] Lorin Latarro: Yes, I'll do mine first. And then I'll put this in the middle because I didn't win this, you know.

[24:18] Kevin Jaeger: Okay, sure, sure, sure.

[24:21] Lorin Latarro: Hello Dolly.

[24:22] Kevin Jaeger: Okay.

[24:23] Lorin Latarro: Uh, Hello Dolly. I am looking through these cards, and I am also going to pick a show that is like Hello Dolly.

[24:35] Lorin Latarro: Um, I've picked Hairspray, they both start with H. Is that good enough?

[24:38] Kevin Jaeger: No.

[24:40] Lorin Latarro: Oh, Gypsy, no, that's not uh Ethel Merman. Um, War Paint, Miss I God. This is much more.

[24:46] Kevin Jaeger: I don't know.

[24:48] Lorin Latarro: Dolly?

[24:48] Kevin Jaeger: I don't think so.

[24:49] Lorin Latarro: No, she uh didn't Ethel do Dolly at one point.

[24:52] Kevin Jaeger: I don't know.

[24:52] Lorin Latarro: I'm sure someone, well, you can say Bette Midler, Bette Midler.

[24:55] Kevin Jaeger: Bette Midler, Bette Midler, yeah.

[24:56] Lorin Latarro: Um, Hello Dolly.

[24:57] Kevin Jaeger: Right.

[24:58] Lorin Latarro: My Fair Lady.

[24:58] Kevin Jaeger: Does that seem right?

[24:59] Lorin Latarro: Maybe it's about, you know, two ladies.

[25:02] Kevin Jaeger: They wore both hats.

[25:04] Lorin Latarro: I love that. Fiddler on the Roof.

[25:06] Kevin Jaeger: It seems very similar in some ways.

[25:07] Lorin Latarro: I just want to look through all the cards. Waitress.

[25:10] Kevin Jaeger: Are you on this card?

[25:12] Lorin Latarro: Uh, yeah, you are.

[25:14] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, cool. Waitress, because she's in the room and you got Hello Dolly.

[25:17] Lorin Latarro: They both eat.

[25:18] Kevin Jaeger: They both eat.

[25:19] Lorin Latarro: There's a restaurant scene in home.

[25:22] Kevin Jaeger: Wait, two names on the same uh.

[25:27] Lorin Latarro: This is hard. Or than I anticipated. My brain's not working fast enough. Uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say I'm gonna go with Waitress because choreography.

[25:39] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[25:40] Lorin Latarro: Yep. That's what I was gonna say. You said before I could do that.

[25:44] Kevin Jaeger: Okay, so Kevin, now you have to connect to Waitress, and there's 30 seconds left.

[25:47] Lorin Latarro: No, I really have to pick up.

[25:50] Kevin Jaeger: Um, Waitress, should I yeah.

[25:55] Lorin Latarro: Uh, my brain does not work. In this new pop musical, based on Adrian Shelley's 2007 independent film, pregnant pie baker Jenna is stuck in her diner job.

[26:07] Kevin Jaeger: Unhappy uh and small town where she meets her new doctor and considers.

[26:14] Lorin Latarro: Yep. Uh, even like a very random connection. You can do like a I'll give you six degrees if you need it.

[26:23] Kevin Jaeger: Okay, I'm just gonna start another two.

[26:25] Lorin Latarro: Okay.

[26:26] Kevin Jaeger: We're starting over.

[26:27] Bryan Plofsky: Brian Picker.

[26:28] Kevin Jaeger: This game needs a four-minute time. Pick a different card.

[26:30] Lorin Latarro: Alright, I got Gypsy.

[26:32] Kevin Jaeger: Okay.

[26:33] Lorin Latarro: We can do this.

[26:35] Kevin Jaeger: Did you start?

[26:35] Lorin Latarro: Yes.

[26:36] Kevin Jaeger: Okay.

[26:37] Lorin Latarro: Gypsy.

[26:38] Kevin Jaeger: No, no, no, this is good.

[26:41] Lorin Latarro: Gypsy starred Bette Midler at one point, who also was in A Little Night Music.

[26:46] Kevin Jaeger: Very good.

[26:47] Lorin Latarro: Okay, good job on Night Music.

[26:50] Kevin Jaeger: So we get to find somebody who connects.

[26:56] Lorin Latarro: A Little Night Music.

[26:57] Kevin Jaeger: The revival.

[27:01] Lorin Latarro: Perfect. I mean, I also can connect to A Little Night Music.

[27:04] Kevin Jaeger: Yes.

[27:06] Lorin Latarro: Um, that was excellent. That worked out really well.

[27:11] Kevin Jaeger: Spectacular.

[27:14] Lorin Latarro: I got a good feeling about this round. The guest was better than all of us at this game.

[27:20] Kevin Jaeger: I think you planned it as well.

[27:21] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, we planned, yeah.

[27:22] Kevin Jaeger: A Little Night Music.

[27:26] Lorin Latarro: Oh, yeah.

[27:27] Kevin Jaeger: Okay, okay, we're into the movie though.

[27:29] Lorin Latarro: Alright. A Little Night Music.

[27:30] Kevin Jaeger: Alright. Um, sound time, sound time, sound.

[27:35] Lorin Latarro: Where is he?

[27:36] Kevin Jaeger: Where is he?

[27:36] Lorin Latarro: Uh, A Little Night Music is also related to Sweeney Todd.

[27:41] Kevin Jaeger: Sunheads.

[27:43] Lorin Latarro: You did it.

[27:44] Kevin Jaeger: And we sing Merrily We Roll Along.

[27:46] Lorin Latarro: Yeah.

[27:47] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, I'm jealous.

[27:54] Lorin Latarro: Oh, we saw that Steve was very good. It was very cool.

[27:58] Kevin Jaeger: I got to really spend some real quality time with them.

[28:01] Lorin Latarro: That's amazing.

[28:02] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah.

[28:03] Lorin Latarro: What show did you do?

[28:04] Kevin Jaeger: Uh, Sweeney Todd.

[28:05] Lorin Latarro: Sweetie Todd.

[28:06] Kevin Jaeger: Uh, had Angela Lansbury in the original, who is also in Gypsy.

[28:11] Lorin Latarro: Her good time.

[28:12] Kevin Jaeger: Back to Gypsy.

[28:13] Lorin Latarro: You gypsy, though.

[28:14] Kevin Jaeger: Uh, Back to Gypsy.

[28:19] Lorin Latarro: Sunset Boulevard? Anybody the same there?

[28:22] Kevin Jaeger: Uh, Patti LuPone.

[28:23] Lorin Latarro: Patti LuPone.

[28:25] Kevin Jaeger: Oh yeah. Yeah, I'd love to go to Gypsy and she was also in Sunset Boulevard.

[28:26] Lorin Latarro: Spit the metal.

[28:30] Kevin Jaeger: In London.

[28:35] Lorin Latarro: Perfect. Right. Um, that's the best part of her autobiography that she reads herself as an audiobook when she reads that chapter about how she got her um Angelaine Weber memorial pool at her house.

[28:48] Kevin Jaeger: It is incredible because it drips with disdain in like the most wonderful way possible.

[28:55] Lorin Latarro: It's so good. I only looked at her once. I did Company at the Philharmonic Price.

[29:00] Kevin Jaeger: Yes, all these famous people.

[29:03] Lorin Latarro: Patti came in on the first day of rehearsal, off book, ready to go.

[29:08] Kevin Jaeger: It was like unbelievable.

[29:09] Lorin Latarro: And no one else did.

[29:11] Kevin Jaeger: She's a professional.

[29:13] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, it was pretty awesome. I love all I saw her in Gypsy in her slippers.

[29:17] Kevin Jaeger: She's not calling out, she's just letting everyone know she's in slippers.

[29:21] Lorin Latarro: If you ever want to just hear like really wise words, like look up what m uh, Mar was it uh Marion Celdes said about Patti LuPone because she was one of the professors at uh Juilliard while Patti was there and all of the professors were like fighting over how they could break Patti because she was like this wild like talent that no one she didn't fit into a box that they all everyone else fit into.

[29:44] Kevin Jaeger: So they were all always talking about how to like break her spirit or to like make her like become what they needed her to be.

[29:51] Lorin Latarro: And she has this big speech about she stood up for Patti and was like, she is like a once every like century you find this like rough perfect person whose instincts are so real and raw that you don't like harness it, you just like teach them to harness it.

[30:08] Kevin Jaeger: And she has this whole speech about how to guide an actor like that. And it's like one of the most lovely and interesting power. And like Patti, like she's one of like Patti's like biggest heroes in like her early career, like fighting for her, and they still stayed friends forever until I think did she pass away?

[30:26] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, she did.

[30:27] Kevin Jaeger: But like her all of her words about like guiding young actors and stuff is so brilliant. So check that out.

[30:31] Lorin Latarro: That's cool.

[30:33] Kevin Jaeger: She wasn't the first group of Juliet. I went to Julia.

[30:35] Lorin Latarro: Or Patti's brother also went to Julia, right?

[30:38] Kevin Jaeger: Yes.

[30:40] Lorin Latarro: And her son went to college.

[30:42] Kevin Jaeger: Did he go Bombers?

[30:47] Lorin Latarro: That was where Brad went.

[30:47] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, I know. Very, very good.

[30:49] Lorin Latarro: Um, they grow them good. But um, is there something that you want to choreograph? Like, like not a show specifically, but or a show specifically. Is there anything you want to choreograph? Or like, is there an idea or like a uh, like a pirate view? I don't know, anything, whatever you want, like that you are interested in like getting your hands on.

[31:09] Lorin Latarro: Yes, definitely. I mean, there's lots of little things we're trying to get our hands on.

[31:14] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[31:14] Lorin Latarro: Um, I probably can't say them out loud though, because we don't have the rights, and I don't even want to steal them.

[31:21] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, I mean, I do want to do a dance, a danceable, you know, doing I did Moving Out for three years as a dancer, and I just feel like loved Moving Out.

[31:28] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, I know it was so fun.

[31:29] Kevin Jaeger: It's so fun. Um, I want to do that, you know, and I'll go see Illinois as soon as I know take a minute. But um, I really do want to do something for dance, it's really the vehicle for the storytelling.

[31:43] Kevin Jaeger: Do you have some favorites that like really stand out to you of those types of shows?

[31:48] Lorin Latarro: Like in full danceable. Moving Out was the out of all the Broadway shows I've ever done, uh, was the most um extraordinary experience of my career with American Idiot being a very close second.

[32:00] Kevin Jaeger: But oh yeah, yeah.

[32:01] Lorin Latarro: That just like vibe of that cast of American Idiot, I'm sure.

[32:06] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[32:07] Lorin Latarro: From Did Joe Brian, wasn't that right?

[32:08] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, Brian Charles Johnson.

[32:09] Lorin Latarro: Yeah. And I was like the grandmother, because I was like the associate choreographer who's also the swing, and Jay Binder, God rest the soul, came to see one and I was like, you're still out there.

[32:21] Kevin Jaeger: Exactly.

[32:23] Lorin Latarro: I should have like Tom Bols was like, You still want to perform? I was like, yes, you know. I had to go on once for Alicia Um Friends, you know, yes, you know, Alicia can belt high's, but yeah, she can't. So there's this I like shunned with like a shot of vodka and she like she does this huge thing to the end of like too much she soon and she like belts and she does this giant riff, and I just went like the most hard part of my life, but you made it through.

[32:54] Kevin Jaeger: He made it through.

[32:56] Lorin Latarro: Um, what was it being in Moving Out like because I imagine that must be like different than any other show?

[33:03] Lorin Latarro: It was great. We yeah, it was great. It was like I caught it was like you don't have to sing.

[33:07] Kevin Jaeger: No, we can sing.

[33:08] Lorin Latarro: Well, I did miss the singing, but you're dancing at such a hard and high level.

[33:12] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, and you work hard and you play hard, we were naughty, but we had a lot of fun, you know. Um, it was like a three-year extended manic episode because you have so much adrenaline and serotonin and all those good things, but to oh to an excess that the whole cast, you know, was just like we're gonna do anything.

[33:31] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, we are superheroes.

[33:34] Lorin Latarro: Yes.

[33:37] Kevin Jaeger: Did you guys see Moving Out?

[33:39] Lorin Latarro: No.

[33:40] Kevin Jaeger: I was on Twitter.

[33:42] Lorin Latarro: I saw it, or my mom saw it, because you know, Billy Joel ladies in New Jersey all came up to see Moving Out. My mom took the whole neighborhood, and all she knew was Billy Joel musical.

[33:47] Kevin Jaeger: Right.

[33:51] Lorin Latarro: And she said, like 20 minutes in, she went, Oh, they're not gonna sing. And then she like loved it, and so she took me and my sister and a bunch of my friends. And yeah, I grew up in Jersey, so yeah, but half of New Jersey like singing, then getting a fist fights because someone's singing loud, yeah.

[34:08] Kevin Jaeger: And that was definitely like a period on Broadway where like those kind of shows were like really popping up.

[34:12] Lorin Latarro: I feel like a lot of Contact and like Twilight Thart was having a moment, like yeah.

[34:17] Kevin Jaeger: Well, Twilight, I mean Twilight's been around, she's done a lot of Broadway over the years, you know, back to the city. And then there's a Sinatra one right after, or after Moving Out.

[34:26] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, and that did well. Then there was the Bob Dylan one that wasn't as successful. But you know, yeah, that was like a whole like thing for a while.

[34:35] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, because it was fun. There's nothing better than subject one best musical, right?

[34:39] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, that's why they changed the rules.

[34:41] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, over Swing and Kiss Me Kate, which I was in both.

[34:44] Lorin Latarro: Wait, why is they those changed the rules about what?

[34:48] Kevin Jaeger: Like it couldn't have been because it was canned music, right?

[34:50] Lorin Latarro: It was canned music or something like that. And then they created the like uh, I don't know if this was why they created it, but they created a category for like special engagement or something like that.

[35:00] Kevin Jaeger: I don't know, yeah.

[35:01] Lorin Latarro: I don't remember what none of these.

[35:03] Kevin Jaeger: I don't know how all this works.

[35:04] Lorin Latarro: Well, even Tommy won Best Score, and I don't think Tommy can win Best Score now.

[35:08] Kevin Jaeger: Somebody has to do the reason.

[35:09] Lorin Latarro: Because it would be like adapt. Oh, but there isn't really an adapter. It's like double adapted in some, it's like a revival of an adapting.

[35:15] Kevin Jaeger: I don't know.

[35:15] Lorin Latarro: I don't know. I mean, yeah, no, it definitely can't because it would just be revival, but that's so fascinating.

[35:20] Kevin Jaeger: I don't know the rules against it now either.

[35:22] Lorin Latarro: I don't know. But there is nothing better than watching a bunch of really good dancers just be really good.

[35:27] Kevin Jaeger: Just have a lot of fun.

[35:28] Lorin Latarro: There's truly nothing better than until later on top of that. And like actually makes you understand the content even more.

[35:37] Kevin Jaeger: Like there's a fine line between excellent choreography and like filling the time choreography. And like it's there is something truly magical about like the stage being a triple threat experience from a creative aspect.

[35:53] Lorin Latarro: And there really is like that, like there is no other experience in a Broadway stage quite like when like the big dance number is happening. And like, I'll even say it, even if it's tap dance aid.

[36:03] Lorin Latarro: Tap dancing is not usually my favorite.

[36:05] Kevin Jaeger: I said I liked the Great Gatsby tap dancing.

[36:07] Lorin Latarro: I did. Um, I just I'm that person who's always like, I mean, they're outside. How are they making those noises on grass? Or like I'm like the guy who's like those shoes don't have taps on them. Not everyone showed up to this party with shoes. Every other part of a musical, every other part of music, I'm fine, but I'm always like, they didn't come to this ball with tap shoes on. Like I'm like that awful person about tap. It's like when a British director is like, why are they dancing? Like dancing. Because they're dancing. But seriously, nothing beats that moment. Like it happened in Gatsby. I mean, it was also because it was opening night, so everyone was like, that electricity. But those moments where, like, as they're in the height of it, when dancers do like just a little look to each other or something where it's just like we're having so much fun. Like that little moment, yeah, and the audience feels like they're in on it too.

[36:53] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[36:53] Lorin Latarro: Like it's just that's the best. Yeah. When you can tell the ensemble is having the time of their lives, even if they're like projecting that to everyone. Like what we said. We saw two.

[37:05] Kevin Jaeger: This but they're having the time of their lives up there, and I will watch this every day.

[37:10] Lorin Latarro: We saw King Kong, I think after they'd even announced like the upcoming closing. But like that ensemble danced their face off, and they were having so much fun. It's like Hard Rock and Roll. I mean, they are having the time of their lives up there. They are having that. And Tommy too. I mean, they're not, and Tommy is like not as well as yes, but so there's like little, there's like one moment where I have them like yelling things, and sometimes on Sundays, apparently the associate program and swing is D Thomasetta, and they yell like, D Thomasetta guy.

[37:45] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[37:47] Lorin Latarro: When the voters have all seen it, you can make yourselves laugh.

[37:52] Kevin Jaeger: So that's so funny.

[37:54] Lorin Latarro: The Heart of Rock and Roll, everything I see about it, it just looks like shiny and fun.

[37:58] Kevin Jaeger: It's really fun.

[37:59] Lorin Latarro: But it's well crafted.

[38:00] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[38:00] Lorin Latarro: We worked really hard on it. Yeah. It's real, it's real fun. There's definitely um, I really like some of I feel like creative teams, and correct me if I'm wrong, have like really cracked or at least clicked these jukebox musicals about the person, and I feel like they're the ones now are doing such a much in my personal opinion, doing a better job of matching the feel and style of the show to that person's life. I feel like there's a lot of misses in the past, and like we've actually learned from those.

[38:33] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, and so like the recent ones have been like pretty spectacular.

[38:37] Lorin Latarro: Even just thinking outside them.

[38:40] Kevin Jaeger: That's true.

[38:41] Lorin Latarro: That people have like more vocabulary of what to do with it.

[38:44] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[38:44] Lorin Latarro: It's super fun.

[38:45] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[38:46] Lorin Latarro: I love that.

[38:47] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[38:47] Lorin Latarro: I guess when people leave these two shows specifically, is there something that you want them to leave with from a choreography perspective, from a dance perspective?

[38:58] Kevin Jaeger: From Heart and from Tommy.

[39:00] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, I mean, I just think both shows are really great ways in for choreography, like to understand choreography because both shows have so much choreography and are integral in telling a story that I think you could do, you know, they're great shows to do at 2 o'clock and 8 o'clock because they're so different. Sounds like it's um and then find the matching choreography.

[39:21] Kevin Jaeger: And find the matching dance, but I think that um it's like the hidden Mickeys that Disney was all talking about.

[39:30] Lorin Latarro: So yeah, I mean they're good shows to understand what dance brings to the table. And they both do a really good job of like, you know, Heart of Rock and Roll, like when things get exciting, they really do lift off into singing. And Tommy is just it's a dance suite. I mean, oh yeah, it's a dance show dance.

[39:46] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[39:46] Lorin Latarro: It was part of American Dance Machine a long time ago that I worked on. They did Pinball Wizard.

[39:52] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, great.

[39:52] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, great. And it was just this like anthology of dance numbers. They did all the original choreography. Yeah, it was very fun, amazing. And I was just like, oh, Tommy. Like it was not a show I never saw it.

[40:04] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, I've still never seen it.

[40:05] Lorin Latarro: I was seeing it.

[40:06] Kevin Jaeger: I mean, I see pinballs.

[40:08] Lorin Latarro: Yeah.

[40:09] Kevin Jaeger: Have you seen it now?

[40:12] Lorin Latarro: But I really tried to stay away from other versions of it.

[40:16] Kevin Jaeger: Well, I didn't want to get influenced in it.

[40:18] Lorin Latarro: Oh, yeah, you know.

[40:19] Kevin Jaeger: What is your schedule like now with two shows?

[40:21] Lorin Latarro: Are they both open?

[40:22] Kevin Jaeger: They're both fan.

[40:23] Lorin Latarro: Okay, so you can chill out.

[40:25] Kevin Jaeger: Yes.

[40:25] Lorin Latarro: I like well, actually, I chilled out, sort of. I was like, I'm not leaving my I'm gonna stay in my pajamas all day. And then two minutes later the phone rang, and it was the nurse. Your daughter drew up on the bus and pick up and where you like get back in your pajamas and on this couch we're watching movies all day. I put a coat on and sneakers and I stayed in my pajamas. Absolutely.

[40:48] Kevin Jaeger: Hell yes.

[40:51] Lorin Latarro: Um, speaking of your kids, are you starting with what musical? Like, what did you introduce? How did you get them to kind of like Arden has seen everything and it's really like she's it's really funny. Heart of Rock and Roll is her favorite joke.

[41:04] Kevin Jaeger: Okay.

[41:05] Lorin Latarro: How old is she?

[41:05] Kevin Jaeger: She's six.

[41:06] Lorin Latarro: Perfect. Though she saw Tommy. Um, you know, she's just like, oh, did he just die, mommy? You're like, I just got shot, so you're like, Yeah.

[41:18] Kevin Jaeger: You fine.

[41:19] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, yeah. Like, do you get this? Do you understand? Are you already? I'm gonna have to reclaim that many times.

[41:25] Kevin Jaeger: Oh yeah.

[41:26] Lorin Latarro: She's like, she like there was a pinball machine at Chicago, so she um played the pinball machine, and I guess it was a new one, so you can sign your letters if you get to a certain school.

[41:35] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, sure.

[41:36] Lorin Latarro: So she tells everybody, she's like, I'm the pinball reserve.

[41:41] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, but we go, that's so good.

[41:43] Lorin Latarro: She saw Into the Woods, she saw Mrs. Doubtfire when we were doing Doubtfire in London while I was at work. My nanny has seen everything. My nanny took her to see Frozen and Lion King and Judy and the Beast is still there.

[41:59] Kevin Jaeger: In London, yeah.

[42:00] Lorin Latarro: So they get to see a bunch of things. And then we saw a show that I shall not name, but it was somewhere in London, and it was not very good. And I was with her, and it was the intermission, and I was like, and that's the end.

[42:18] Kevin Jaeger: Did you have any questions?

[42:20] Lorin Latarro: Like, they didn't wrap this up. Something's happening. I know the story. There's another part I said to her. I was like, that happens another night. And then for the rest of the three weeks of London, she's like, when are we going back to see the second?

[42:35] Kevin Jaeger: Oh no!

[42:36] Lorin Latarro: That's incredible. I cannot wait to pull that.

[42:40] Kevin Jaeger: Oh man.

[42:41] Lorin Latarro: And that's the I saw my sister do that once per movie where she like pushed pause and was like, and it's over!

[42:50] Kevin Jaeger: Wow, that's so good.

[42:52] Lorin Latarro: That's so good.

[42:52] Kevin Jaeger: In a theater.

[42:53] Lorin Latarro: Do you have exhaust that I had earlier talking about? There's no version I can see directly.

[42:57] Kevin Jaeger: No.

[42:57] Lorin Latarro: Oh no, I'm not sure.

[42:58] Kevin Jaeger: Like vividly remember my dad like holding like five pages of a book and turning them all at the same time.

[43:03] Lorin Latarro: And me finally being like, you're skimming.

[43:06] Kevin Jaeger: That's what's skipping.

[43:08] Lorin Latarro: I was like, you missed a word. Yeah, I currently read books to my one-year-old, and I'm just like, this is Corduroy. And this is Corduroy. And there's Corduroy.

[43:17] Kevin Jaeger: I know Corduroy well.

[43:20] Lorin Latarro: Just wait.

[43:22] Kevin Jaeger: Oh, that's so good.

[43:23] Lorin Latarro: Incredible.

[43:24] Kevin Jaeger: And you have some fun stuff coming up.

[43:26] Lorin Latarro: I do.

[43:28] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[43:29] Lorin Latarro: Yes, there's a show coming to Broadway that I I don't think is announced yet.

[43:33] Kevin Jaeger: Right, not when we're recording this, but when it airs, maybe.

[43:35] Lorin Latarro: But we will still won't say it.

[43:37] Kevin Jaeger: You'll know.

[43:38] Lorin Latarro: You'll know. Um, that's exciting.

[43:39] Kevin Jaeger: I mean, really, that's read the tray.

[43:44] Lorin Latarro: That's cool.

[43:44] Kevin Jaeger: You'll know, you'll all be able to do that.

[43:46] Lorin Latarro: I know that um I did not see that, but I a lot of my friends saw that and just were totally blown away by it.

[43:53] Kevin Jaeger: That's one of my favorite shows.

[43:54] Lorin Latarro: The show that we shall not be able to do.

[43:55] Kevin Jaeger: The show that we shall not.

[43:56] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, that we shall be shy about talking about.

[43:59] Kevin Jaeger: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[44:01] Lorin Latarro: Did you do it in college or high school?

[44:02] Kevin Jaeger: I did it in high school.

[44:03] Lorin Latarro: Everybody didn't know everybody knows every lyric.

[44:03] Kevin Jaeger: Every lyric.

[44:06] Lorin Latarro: And then they're like, yeah, you cut that verse. And you're like, oh my god.

[44:09] Kevin Jaeger: There's so like, well, we watched for the pod. So during the lockdown, we did movie reviews and like we watched music and we watched the um Tracy Ullman Wonderful World of Disney movies.

[44:19] Lorin Latarro: Oh yeah, sure.

[44:20] Kevin Jaeger: And um and I had never seen it, or I saw a long time ago. And I remember on that episode being like, okay, so this is what they cut, and this is what they did. This is how I did it in high school.

[44:30] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, there's so many versions to watch.

[44:32] Kevin Jaeger: And the original, you know, with Carol Burnett is actually it's you can go online on YouTube and watch the old black and white of her.

[44:38] Lorin Latarro: And then there's some footage if you dig online of Carol Burnett in the original musical version of it before it became a movie.

[44:45] Kevin Jaeger: And it's really talking about one of a kind.

[44:49] Lorin Latarro: Oh, I know.

[44:50] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my gosh.

[44:51] Lorin Latarro: I'm really excited for that one.

[44:53] Kevin Jaeger: And um of you should be too.

[44:56] Lorin Latarro: And all of you should be too.

[44:57] Kevin Jaeger: And I'm really excited to see your work again.

[45:00] Lorin Latarro: I'm just always.

[45:01] Kevin Jaeger: And then you'll have three shows on Broadway.

[45:03] Lorin Latarro: And then four shows, and then five.

[45:05] Kevin Jaeger: Listen, actually.

[45:06] Lorin Latarro: Just take over Broadway.

[45:07] Kevin Jaeger: Do it all.

[45:08] Lorin Latarro: Maybe so.

[45:09] Kevin Jaeger: We just need people to come by.

[45:11] Lorin Latarro: Come see anything come on to be my show. I mean, it's thrilling to come see my show, but come see any show.

[45:16] Kevin Jaeger: Just come, come, come to the theater.

[45:18] Lorin Latarro: I know. It's such a I feel like I blinked and all of a sudden this season is gigantic.

[45:23] Kevin Jaeger: Gigantic and over.

[45:24] Lorin Latarro: I mean, from uh from a um everything's open from an opening perspective.

[45:27] Kevin Jaeger: Which is even better because everything's locked, go and see everything.

[45:29] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, go see it. Although I wish I'd seen Waitress a thousand times before it opened because I wanted to see every version of that opening.

[45:34] Kevin Jaeger: I know.

[45:35] Lorin Latarro: I wish I'd known they were doing that. That's why I love previews.

[45:37] Kevin Jaeger: I love previews.

[45:38] Lorin Latarro: Also, I feel like I forget what show it is, but I like went back and saw it like years later and I was like, something's different.

[45:46] Kevin Jaeger: Because I must have seen it in previews, but didn't understand what that was.

[45:50] Lorin Latarro: And I was like, and I was like, they didn't do this.

[45:53] Kevin Jaeger: I don't remember what that was.

[45:54] Lorin Latarro: When I was a dancer, I hated previews.

[45:57] Kevin Jaeger: And I hate tech.

[45:58] Lorin Latarro: It's so funny. It's just the longest. I would remember after opening, I just was so happy. I felt like they were all gone and it could be our show.

[46:06] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[46:06] Lorin Latarro: And now, of course, I'm obsessed with Taco.

[46:09] Kevin Jaeger: Of course.

[46:10] Lorin Latarro: Um, well that brings us the end of our episode. Thank you so much for joining us.

[46:15] Kevin Jaeger: Thank you.

[46:15] Lorin Latarro: This was a lot of fun. You're so cool and knowledgeable and wonderful, and your work absolutely speaks for itself.

[46:22] Kevin Jaeger: Thanks.

[46:23] Lorin Latarro: Um and uh But it doesn't speak, it dances.

[46:26] Kevin Jaeger: Oh my gosh.

[46:27] Lorin Latarro: Your work dances for itself.

[46:29] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, but um, yeah, check out Heart of Rock and Roll, check out Tommy, and then when another show potentially opens, you should check that out too.

[46:37] Lorin Latarro: Um, we are thrilled to have had the waitress uh watching it's so I do need to watch this.

[46:44] Kevin Jaeger: The MoCap, not MoCap, the um live.

[46:47] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, yeah.

[46:48] Kevin Jaeger: Um, but uh yeah, it's all motion capture.

[46:52] Lorin Latarro: It's cool.

[46:54] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah, yeah.

[46:56] Lorin Latarro: Um, thank you so much for joining us.

[46:59] Kevin Jaeger: You can play.

[46:59] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, yeah.

[47:00] Kevin Jaeger: It's a video game.

[47:02] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, it's like one of those diner games.

[47:03] Kevin Jaeger: Yeah.

[47:03] Lorin Latarro: Where like Garfield Diner, what I spent so much money on.

[47:06] Kevin Jaeger: Anyway, um But thank you so much for joining us.

[47:08] Kevin Jaeger: You can follow us at Broadwaysted on all social media.

[47:11] Lorin Latarro: You can find us wherever you get your podcasts, of course, uh Spotify, um, and Apple Podcasts rate and review us there.

[47:17] Kevin Jaeger: Five stars, please.

[47:19] Lorin Latarro: Thank you.

[47:20] Kevin Jaeger: Thank you so much for joining us.

[47:21] Lorin Latarro: Um, in the description of this episode, you can find all the links to all of her work.

[47:26] Kevin Jaeger: Um, and obviously go and see um something, but maybe maybe narrow down your search to uh Tommy or Heart of Rock and Roll.

[47:35] Lorin Latarro: But thank you so much for joining us. As we end every episode, we raise a glass and we say it's mid-afternoon.

[47:42] Kevin Jaeger: Zoo do up Bob Cheers.

[47:44] Lorin Latarro: Cheers.

[47:45] Kevin Jaeger: Yay.

[47:46] Lorin Latarro: Oh, Jing.

[47:47] Kevin Jaeger: You gave it angels swings.

[47:49] Lorin Latarro: Yeah, exactly.