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[0:15] Jesse McAnally: Hello, I'm Jesse McAnally.

[0:17] Alan Seales: I'm Alan Seales.

[0:18] Liz Est: I'm Liz Est.

[0:19] Jesse McAnally: And welcome to Carrey'd Away, a podcast where we explore the films and television shows and TV movies starring the one and only James Eugene Carrey.

[0:27] Alan Seales: And today, Rich People Gonna Rich People.

[0:30] Jesse McAnally: Um, I think that's the premise of this one.

[0:34] Alan Seales: Um, you've got a lot of really effective TV stars here doing their best character actor performances.

[0:34] Liz Est: Doing their best.

[0:44] Alan Seales: They're really doing their best.

[0:46] Jesse McAnally: I r this might be the best performed thing we've talked about yet. Like, as far as the drama goes.

[0:53] Alan Seales: This is like a made-for-TV daytime special that just went on twice as long as it should have.

[1:02] Jesse McAnally: That being said, I would describe this as if your mother watched This Is Us and Succession around the same time, but forgot which show is which and tried to describe the plot.

[1:21] Alan Seales: That's the end cube.

[1:23] Liz Est: Nothing else to say.

[1:25] Jesse McAnally: I mean, am I wrong though?

[1:27] Alan Seales: No, you're right.

[1:27] Liz Est: That's un No, that m truer words have never been spoken.

[1:30] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[1:32] Jesse McAnally: Um, in case you haven't picked up what we're throwing down in a very weird way, this week we are talking about Doing Time on Maple Drive.

[1:40] Alan Seales: He's a typical all-American boy.

[1:43] Jesse McAnally: I can't imagine a father being prouder of his son than I am of you.

[1:46] Alan Seales: But he's living with a secret.

[1:48] Jesse McAnally: You had an ongoing relationship. You were in love with this guy, no don't like me.

[1:52] Alan Seales: Because the truth could tear his family apart.

[1:54] Jesse McAnally: Can't tell people I'm gay.

[1:56] Alan Seales: My parents would die all of a sudden.

[1:57] Jesse McAnally: The Emmy nominated Doing Time on Maple Drive Monday.

[2:00] Alan Seales: But Doing Time on Maple Drive was released on March 16th, 1992.

[2:04] Jesse McAnally: It just had a birthday on Fox Television, written by James Duff and directed by Ken Olin.

[2:10] Alan Seales: The plot is about a young college student, his family's golden child, brings his fiancée home to meet them.

[2:15] Jesse McAnally: That's the short version that Liz provided.

[2:17] Alan Seales: But I'm gonna also take a look at the like this That feels like the one that AI shortened, the one you put into like Chat GBT, like make this shorter.

[2:27] Jesse McAnally: So the longer one is Yale scholar Matt Carter introduces his wealthy fiancée, Alison, to his family, and initially everything goes smoothly.

[2:36] Alan Seales: However, it isn't long before Alison learns that Matt has lied to her about his relatives to mask their failures and dysfunctions.

[2:44] Jesse McAnally: His brother Tim flunked out of school and developed a drinking problem.

[2:47] Alan Seales: And Matt struggles to keep his own secret from his less than tolerant parents.

[2:52] Jesse McAnally: And what is And also his sister's there? What is that secret, y'all?

[2:57] Alan Seales: Uh, is he gay?

[2:59] Jesse McAnally: He gay gay, but it's nineteen ninety-two, so it's a big deal.

[3:02] Alan Seales: Yeah, literally the end of the world.

[3:04] Jesse McAnally: Like we're we're l if uh Linda yeah, I guess in ninety-two, right?

[3:08] Alan Seales: We're coming out of, or slash, I don't know the history of the AIDS crisis.

[3:13] Jesse McAnally: The AIDS crisis is still happening at this point.

[3:16] Alan Seales: Yeah, yeah.

[3:16] Jesse McAnally: I think like the basically things are getting slightly better, but only slightly.

[3:22] Alan Seales: Like we're two years pre-Rent. Like, let's just frame it like that.

[3:25] Jesse McAnally: Oh, yeah, yeah.

[3:27] Jesse McAnally: And uh, I was trying to figure out if the movie all of a sudden was gonna make a was send a message of bigotry or send a message of tolerance.

[3:37] Alan Seales: And it could go either way when that when the big reveal was put out there.

[3:44] Jesse McAnally: Yeah honestly the gay thing was handled a lot better than the abortion thing the abortion thing just comes at you like a you're like figure following on the track and then a tree branch hits you on the back of the head that you didn't expect.

[3:57] Alan Seales: It's like the person in front of you on the horse move the branch out of the way when you weren't looking and then it smacks you in the face when you go by next Dr. Bridges's office wanted to confirm your appointment next week.

[4:11] Jesse McAnally: Okay.

[4:13] Alan Seales: Well who's Dr. Bridges uh he's a uh hi Sandy's uh I don't know the name of the specialty my last checkup I had a low iron count why don't you say so it's nothing it's a dietary thing it's nothing to get dramatic about what's the matter with you nothing that's what I'm trying to tell you nothing.

[4:36] Jesse McAnally: That's the point where it's like it really gave me the succession vibes because you've got the sister character and her husband and the husband really doesn't know how to handle these family dynamics.

[4:46] Alan Seales: I wonder if we shouldn't clear the air.

[4:48] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[4:50] Alan Seales: I think that you can be a very selfish person and I think you find it very hard to think about me and I think you shouldn't have even married me actually.

[5:02] Jesse McAnally: What the fuck?

[5:04] Alan Seales: And I it it really really um I was actually shocked to learn that the director of this uh Ken Olin we would go on to help create This Is Us.

[5:14] Jesse McAnally: What?

[5:14] Alan Seales: Like he is yeah, um he is one of the main producers on This Is Us, um and directed many episodes.

[5:20] Jesse McAnally: So when they say many times, like repeated in this movie, This Is Us, I'm like, hmm, makes sense.

[5:26] Alan Seales: I wonder if that was an alternate title for this movie.

[5:28] Jesse McAnally: Well, or if he looks back and he's like, Oh, this is us. We're doing time on Maple Drive in twenty twenty-four.

[5:37] Alan Seales: That's just a longer title that didn't work.

[5:39] Jesse McAnally: So uh this is us, much better title.

[5:41] Alan Seales: Good job, guys.

[5:41] Jesse McAnally: Yes, better than Doing Time on Maple Drive, which doesn't mean anything really, aside from Jim Carrey.

[5:48] Alan Seales: Okay. We need to talk about Jim Carrey.

[5:50] Jesse McAnally: Wait, wait, oh wait, have you finished the synopsis yet?

[5:53] Alan Seales: Yeah, that was it.

[5:53] Jesse McAnally: I mean, I think that was the whole synopsis.

[5:59] Alan Seales: James Eugene Carrey.

[6:00] Jesse McAnally: Whoever this James Carrey guy is, holy shit is he bad in this movie.

[6:06] Alan Seales: Blockwell. Six months ago, I noticed the day after the health inspector came, you borrowed a hundred and fifty dollars from Kash, and you listed as cleanup expenses.

[6:18] Jesse McAnally: We can list it as that. What's the point of this?

[6:21] Alan Seales: I'll tell you what the point is. I'm tired of pretending, you know, that you're the great dispenser of orders and values and goodness, and I'm some kind of criminal because I want to drink in the afternoon.

[6:33] Jesse McAnally: My gu I know this entire podcast is surrounding him, and I'm sure he gets better, but I'm seeing crutches that he's been leaning on in his previous serious work that he will go on to lean on in his future work, excluding Eternal Sunshine, which is a wholly different category.

[6:48] Alan Seales: He none of those crutches are there for that film.

[6:50] Jesse McAnally: But I'm looking at this and looking at Truman's show and looking at Man on the Moon, and I just hear that like earnest sincerity, like he turns on the serious voice and it just becomes like very high pitched. Like, what are you talking about? Come on.

[7:04] Alan Seales: Like, that is his entire vibe throughout this and this movie.

[7:08] Jesse McAnally: His drunk performance is no different than his sober performance.

[7:12] Alan Seales: Um, well, there wasn't a single rubber face.

[7:15] Jesse McAnally: We should no we should also clarify.

[7:17] Alan Seales: Tim Carrey is playing a guy who dropped out of school due to an unexplained accident reason that never gets mentioned, and he's now an alcoholic who works for his father's restaurant.

[7:30] Jesse McAnally: Yes.

[7:30] Alan Seales: Yes.

[7:31] Jesse McAnally: And he feels cucked by his brother because he wasn't chosen to be the best man at the wedding.

[7:36] Alan Seales: And he has feelings about that.

[7:37] Jesse McAnally: Oh, that was a great video.

[7:39] Alan Seales: We're not. You're not the best man.

[7:42] Jesse McAnally: I mean.

[7:43] Alan Seales: You're only the best man by default.

[7:47] Jesse McAnally: And if anybody knows anything about default, it's me.

[7:54] Alan Seales: I'd like to propose a toast to the real best man in this little society.

[8:03] Jesse McAnally: Here is a toast to my kid brother Matt.

[8:11] Alan Seales: The best man I know.

[8:13] Jesse McAnally: Jim Carrey's drunk by default.

[8:15] Alan Seales: Jim Carrey's drunk is lit, I thought drunk was at like fifty it thought drunk was at like 15.

[8:19] Jesse McAnally: Like, yes, it's ugly.

[8:21] Alan Seales: No, no, I have been drunk. It's not that.

[8:23] Jesse McAnally: You know who gives like the best drunk performance in a movie I've ever seen?

[8:27] Alan Seales: Liz is like, I that one time I was drunk.

[8:30] Jesse McAnally: That was one time.

[8:31] Alan Seales: Uh, it's more than one time. I went to college.

[8:35] Jesse McAnally: Alright, anyway.

[8:37] Alan Seales: Yeah, if anyone's listened to a musical when she's live streamed, they know I've been drunk.

[8:41] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, no, I've edited Jess Drunk and it made me feel sober.

[8:45] Alan Seales: The best is when you get over period of days because I'm like, I'm day three of editing it. Jess is like plastered, and I am sober as shit at two o'clock in the afternoon.

[8:53] Jesse McAnally: I'm just like, wow, I need to drink something.

[8:57] Alan Seales: Change your mind and the feelings are still freaking.

[9:06] Jesse McAnally: You can do your very best to the test.

[9:15] Alan Seales: Take a chance on me.

[9:16] Jesse McAnally: Take a chance.

[9:18] Alan Seales: Take a chance, take a take a chance, chance.

[9:20] Jesse McAnally: They're they're a good time.

[9:21] Alan Seales: But back to Doing Time on Maple Drive.

[9:23] Jesse McAnally: I I uh on my live streams, I do a better drunk performance than Jim Carrey in this movie.

[9:29] Alan Seales: Um, I thought he was gonna be a more major player in the film, strangely, and then the movie kind of forgets he exists.

[9:37] Jesse McAnally: Well the movie, yeah, the movie's just kind of like trying to wrap everything up at the end, and then it's got like this nice little cross arc of we thought we're gonna hate the dad, but then we don't, and we like the mom at first, and then she turns out to be the bigot, and then like all the siblings are like, yeah, we like dead now, I think.

[9:57] Alan Seales: I don't know. Everything is uh let's not pretend the dad wasn't emotionally and verbally abusive towards everyone except for, you know, uh Phil.

[10:08] Jesse McAnally: Or no, no, no. What's his name? Matt.

[10:10] Alan Seales: Oh yeah, the the main character.

[10:13] Jesse McAnally: That's the that's the kid who turns out to be a homosexual.

[10:17] Alan Seales: Don't say that.

[10:18] Jesse McAnally: Don't say that. This is 1992.

[10:19] Alan Seales: He didn't say that.

[10:21] Jesse McAnally: What did he say at the end?

[10:21] Alan Seales: He literally said homosexual.

[10:23] Jesse McAnally: Well, I said it. That wasn't so bad.

[10:24] Alan Seales: Like come on, man.

[10:26] Jesse McAnally: It didn't hurt him.

[10:27] Alan Seales: It it was everyone's trying their best.

[10:31] Jesse McAnally: Everyone feels like they're putting the best foot forward.

[10:33] Alan Seales: Jim Carrey looks like he took a three-day weekend to the Hamptons after uh filming In Living Color for six months.

[10:40] Jesse McAnally: This is in stark, stark contrast to In Living Color. Like he just takes he leaves all of the rubber face on set in the Living Color. But it's not, it's Jim Carrey doesn't always rely on Rubberface to get something across. It's just whatever he's back to skip Tarkington. And I thought we left that behind. You know what I mean? Um, but everyone else, like, specifically, I really like William McNamara and James Sicking. Um, they both did really good scenes.

[11:14] Alan Seales: Hi, Dad.

[11:16] Jesse McAnally: Hi.

[11:17] Alan Seales: What you doing?

[11:20] Jesse McAnally: Oh, I don't know. Waiting for you to come home, I guess.

[11:26] Alan Seales: You don't have to do that.

[11:30] Jesse McAnally: Look, you have a son who almost kills himself and then write a book about what you're supposed to do and how you're supposed to react. How about that?

[11:38] Alan Seales: Sorry.

[11:39] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, it's been hard on you. It's just your bad luck to be born into a family where people don't always know the right thing to do or say.

[11:49] Alan Seales: I got it. And then you got BB Besh, who I know as Carol Marcus from Wrath of Khan, who also is everyone's trying so hard. Lori Laughlin, uh, college scandal herself. She did time. She she showed up. She sure certainly put her put her time card in and said all that.

[12:09] Jesse McAnally: The framing of her on the box art, like, it makes it seem like her, Jim Carrey, and William uh McNamara are equal partners of this story, and they really are not. It's not even the daughter, the actual daughter. They just put Lori Laughlin's face on the box. Jane Brooke, who plays Karen. She's the one who wants to get the random abortion.

[12:31] Alan Seales: It's not a it's not a random abortion. She he the husband wants her husband wants kids, and her parents want her to have kids. Her argument is they're too poor to have kids.

[12:42] Jesse McAnally: Well, right. And then she's like, I'm pregnant, and then she calls a doctor to do a checkup. And then the husband calls the doctor and it's like, Why is my wife going to the doctor? And then violating HIPAA is like, hey, she scheduled an abortion. Oh, yeah, yeah, cool. Yeah, so uh we'll see you on Monday. Maybe she's starting to see the case. Somehow the third act of cabaret entered. We'll see you on Monday for your wife's abortion, and then they get into a fight about it.

[13:08] Alan Seales: Jim Carrey. Oh, Jim Carrey's the MC would actually be good.

[13:12] Jesse McAnally: Oh, don't wheel that into existence. I would like to see Jim Carrey do uh perform Mr. Cellophane from Chicago. I'm trying to stretch out this episode because there's not a lot to talk about.

[13:23] Alan Seales: You said you had a lot to talk about. You were prepared.

[13:27] Jesse McAnally: Oh, well, I just talked about it. I thought it was uh Okay. And uh there's uh this guy in there, and then there's Jim and I mean James, excuse me. Yeah, James. He's trying to be serious here. Lori a real career. Lori Laughlin, who who, you know, a full house scandal um as of recent years. Well, not she's not full house scandal. She scandaled after being in full house about the whole college thing. I mean, full house's existence is generally a good idea. She also did do the same thing she did in real life in Full House, but in a less criminal way. So I someone someone has to bring it up every time Lori Laughlin gets mentioned.

[14:04] Alan Seales: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um she she's damned her own credit accreditation forever. So she also did this movie during like the peak of Full House.

[14:11] Jesse McAnally: Oh, this? Yeah.

[14:12] Alan Seales: Oh, you're right. Yeah, this is during Full House.

[14:16] Jesse McAnally: Well how I think Full House ended in 95. And this was 92.

[14:21] Alan Seales: 87 and 95. Yep. 192 episodes. So this It's weird that I could have j I just pulled that out. That that says more about me than I'd like it to like it too.

[14:31] Jesse McAnally: Wow. Let's talk about um James Duff and why he cast Jim Carrey. So, Liz, I'm referring to your background information that you provided for us. Apparently the network didn't want Jim Carrey because he wasn't the quote unquote right guy because of his being a comedian. And Duff said he was amazing in his audition. His claim to fame is his comedy genius. I'm not sure people know he's got these sort of dramatic jobs. He did an amazing job. Um I I I don't know what I don't know what audition tape they might have watched. It might it might have been the SNL tape we talked about last time with uh Bumblebee. Post Nuclear Elvis.

[15:10] Alan Seales: Post Nuclear Elvis.

[15:11] Jesse McAnally: Yes, I know that. Um and then William McNamara said, I wanted somebody who was both extraordinary and ordinary at the same time who could play an ordinary extraordinary and look extraordinary and ordinary. He was a very hot commodity at the time. I I'm I'm a that feels like a sentence that Ariana Grande would say, I would like to see that written down.

[15:30] Alan Seales: Jesse, you put the ordinary in extraordinary.

[15:34] Jesse McAnally: Thank you. I I take that. I like my everyman charms. I'm gonna choose to make that a column. And I'm here too.

[15:42] Alan Seales: Um so you found some stuff about what Duff said and why he made this movie, Liz. What about that?

[15:48] Liz Est: I did. Uh James Duff with Earl's movie is openly gay. Uh he was open gay in 92. And he said uh quote, it was a very personal story, and I was trying very hard to make it a universal story, not just about the nature of coming out. Is it about denial and our culture and how denial keeps us from dealing with human truths with our own with our own with our humanity? Everyone on Maple Drive is dealing with denial in some way. He later then said about the g um at the time there's you gay characters on TV. Said few and far between on television, and mostly had to do with tragedy that we skirted in Maple Drive. We ended up in someplace very good. Well, no one died.

[16:26] Jesse McAnally: There's a suicide attempt. There is a generally a suicide attempt he wrote into his own scripture. Yeah, and they're they're like, uh yeah, that they just kind of brush over that, like, gotcha. And he goes, Oh, you got me. I guess I'm gonna go.

[16:36] Alan Seales: So I looked at James Duff. He's written for Star Trek Picard. He's written for almost a lot of Star Trek. He's written a lot of Star Trek. He's he's very prolific. Also, the actor who played Matt, his we could have a podcast about his filmography. It's so long. I mean, if you just keep on working.

[16:52] Jesse McAnally: He worked. He worked hard. He's done a lot of stuff. William McNamara Chaser's copycat doing time, Dear the Mummy, Mojave Diamonds, Wildflower, Natural Emery. Wow, this guy just keeps on going.

[17:03] Alan Seales: Yeah, it goes. It's good for you to have a personal story and all that kind of jazz. And it's hard for me to recontextualize this in 1992 times to be like, oh, that must be really effective and all that. I can't. I don't live in those times. I live in 2024 times with my own point of view. And my point of view is this is leaning on a lot of cliches, a lot of very specific kind of emotional framings, and things I don't particularly find that engaging.

[17:30] Jesse McAnally: And we pussyfoot around for the first thirty five minutes in a way that feels like we're building up to something something a little bit more meaty, but really it i it turns out that there's bone underneath there, and you don't really want to eat that. And then right when you think you get to the meat and to the drama, the film stops. It doesn't end, it just decides bye.

[17:51] Alan Seales: Yeah, it's like, yeah, we're good. I said it. I said that word, credits. The f the fact of the matter is his dad loves him, but what about the fact that the other shit we've got going on? Jim Carrey was literally told to his face, like, I look at you, and the only thing I feel is joy that I have another son. Something a man says to his son, and that never gets resolved. The abortion conflict, that never gets resolved. And that one I would say gets slightly more resolved. Maybe the whole like I tried to kill myself. That barely gets resolved.

[18:24] Jesse McAnally: Yeah. It's more like an empty promise that he mu he won't do it again. Scouts honor. Like, this both has the emotional potency for something bigger than this, but it just feels like it doesn't meet up meet up to the emotional ambition it does not meet.

[18:41] Alan Seales: Definitely not a meat-up.

[18:42] Jesse McAnally: That's true. No, it does not reach up to the emotional ambitions it's going for. In 92, I mean the yeah, okay. Uh A, I agree with you. B, 92. I think the style of films back then was more don't roll your head at me. Mackinali.

[18:59] Alan Seales: Was a little bit slower, a little bit more It's 85 minutes.

[19:04] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, it's it's long. That's true. It is also very like movie of the week.

[19:09] Alan Seales: That's what I mean. It was like a made for two.

[19:11] Jesse McAnally: It was literally a movie of the week, I'm pretty sure, but like You know what else was a movie of the week? Duel!

[19:15] Alan Seales: Yeah!

[19:15] Jesse McAnally: Wait, Dune? Dune was a movie of the week. There is so many great movie of the weeks. Like, honestly, my camera has a little bit more of an impressive movie of the week vibe to it. And I know this isn't the most marketable thing in the world, especially in 1992. I'm gonna give it that much context, but truly, I am just I I feel like it's just melodrama. And that is stuff that these writers would use very well later on. This feels like a glorified soap opera, and then the director would go on to be a part of the American soap opera that I believe took over generations of soap operas, and that is This Is Us, and the other person would go on to make serialized Star Trek television where you can get your point across in a way that is also financially vibrantly and monetarily offered to let you get these points across.

[20:04] Alan Seales: I think they would both go on to do work much more impressive than this, and Lori Laughlin would go on to steal and be a terrible person. And Jim Carrey, anti-vaxxer. Everyone turned out great. Yay!

[20:15] Jesse McAnally: Good game.

[20:17] Alan Seales: Oh, the hell's the matter with you. What do you want?

[20:21] Jesse McAnally: I couldn't get it. I would never have made that shot. What the hell are you getting me for?

[20:24] Alan Seales: I'm not hitting you because you missed the shot. I am hitting you because you didn't try.

[20:29] Jesse McAnally: Good game, Karen.

[20:30] Alan Seales: Good game, good game, Matt.

[20:37] Jesse McAnally: Gotta let them win every now and then or they get discouraged.

[20:41] Alan Seales: Jimmy, all right? I'm not playing anymore. This is it. Just don't ask me.

[20:45] Jesse McAnally: Look, it's hey, leave me alone, alright? Leave me alone, okay? Leave me alone.

[20:52] Alan Seales: Okay, fine. That's what this movie did to everybody.

[20:56] Jesse McAnally: It's because of Yeah, this movie did that.

[20:57] Alan Seales: This movie that everyone turned out like that.

[21:00] Jesse McAnally: Yes, yes. Um, do we wanna go to our critical corner and compare our thoughts to the real critics, Liz?

[21:05] Liz Est: I I'm 100% most of the these letterboxes are just Jim Carrey fans.

[21:09] Jesse McAnally: Like, I heard Jim Carrey's in this, let me take a look.

[21:11] Alan Seales: Oh, he's barely in it.

[21:12] Jesse McAnally: Oh boy!

[21:14] Alan Seales: Like us.

[21:15] Jesse McAnally: Like us.

[21:16] Alan Seales: There are like two of those, but most of it wasn't that.

[21:18] Jesse McAnally: People watch a set of genuine curiosity, including one Jesse McAnally.

[21:22] Alan Seales: I did this!

[21:23] Jesse McAnally: Exactly.

[21:24] Alan Seales: Let's see.

[21:25] Jesse McAnally: Uh you watched this four years ago.

[21:28] Alan Seales: Uh that trash.

[21:29] Jesse McAnally: And you gave it one and a half.

[21:31] Alan Seales: I was that was too nice.

[21:33] Jesse McAnally: Jesse.

[21:34] Alan Seales: Jess didn't write anything, so I couldn't even like sneak that in there to trick him.

[21:37] Jesse McAnally: So I disagree with that schmuck.

[21:40] Alan Seales: If I ever meet him, I'm gonna punch him in the face.

[21:42] Jesse McAnally: I'll fight him!

[21:43] Alan Seales: I'll fight him!

[21:44] Jesse McAnally: Uh, but yeah, so this is the letterbox game where I find real letterbox reviews of movies that we watched featuring Jim Carrey, and they're one or five, and Jess and Alan have to guess with very little context if it's positive or negative.

[21:59] Alan Seales: Yay.

[22:00] Jesse McAnally: You ready?

[22:01] Alan Seales: Are you ready, Alan?

[22:02] Alan Seales: I was born ready.

[22:04] Jesse McAnally: Are you ready, Jess?

[22:05] Jesse McAnally: I was porn ready.

[22:06] Alan Seales: Okay, Alan, you're gonna go first.

[22:08] Jesse McAnally: Why don't we pick a character to answer these questions as?

[22:11] Alan Seales: I'll be Nick Cage.

[22:12] Jesse McAnally: Okay.

[22:12] Alan Seales: Um, I thought you were gonna do a character for like the movie.

[22:15] Jesse McAnally: Well, that's just boring, and we'll go to sleep.

[22:17] Alan Seales: God, do I have any impressions I can pull?

[22:20] Jesse McAnally: Paul's Jeff.

[22:22] Alan Seales: Oh, I guess I could Alan, you don't know this.

[22:26] Jesse McAnally: Sorry, I'm gonna go.

[22:29] Alan Seales: I went for 15 minutes pretending to be Paul Giamatti at the rap party for Rock of Ages, and the bit just kept going.

[22:39] Jesse McAnally: That sounds amazing.

[22:41] Alan Seales: Alright, why don't why don't we Alright?

[22:43] Jesse McAnally: Come on, Paul!

[22:44] Alan Seales: Paul's back.

[22:45] Jesse McAnally: Uh bring it.

[22:46] Alan Seales: No, no.

[22:47] Jesse McAnally: I'm gonna do I'm gonna do my own Nicholas Cage.

[22:49] Alan Seales: Uh what is that?

[22:50] Jesse McAnally: A shark.

[22:52] Alan Seales: Are you doing you're doing Nick Cage from uh Pink Cadillac?

[22:55] Jesse McAnally: No, that's that's Nicholas Cage from uh uh uh uh what is that the wicker man?

[23:01] Alan Seales: I'm not gonna give back your fucking bees!

[23:03] Jesse McAnally: I'm gonna bring back your honey!

[23:06] Alan Seales: Okay, if you guys both can do Nicholas Cage impressions, I'm boycotting this game.

[23:10] Jesse McAnally: We got dueling cages duel Okay, let's do it.

[23:10] Alan Seales: Let's do it.

[23:14] Jesse McAnally: Estendy over here.

[23:18] Alan Seales: Okay, you can do Nicholas Cage impressions, fine.

[23:20] Jesse McAnally: Anyway, Alan.

[23:22] Alan Seales: Okay.

[23:22] Alan Seales: Yes, I am.

[23:24] Alan Seales: For some reason, T and me watched this a lot without a hint of irony.

[23:28] Jesse McAnally: Gosh, that's hard.

[23:30] Alan Seales: Oh man.

[23:32] Alan Seales: I'm gonna say I meant like half Hulk Hogan.

[23:36] Jesse McAnally: Nick Cage meets Hulk Hogan.

[23:38] Alan Seales: Um, I'm gonna go with a one.

[23:41] Jesse McAnally: Five.

[23:41] Alan Seales: That's what I meant.

[23:42] Jesse McAnally: Five!

[23:42] Alan Seales: One is five, it's opposite day.

[23:44] Jesse McAnally: It's opposite day.

[23:46] Alan Seales: It is April's on that when we're recording this, but no.

[23:49] Jesse McAnally: Alright, Jez.

[23:51] Alan Seales: Abortion and gay plot eight for the 90s.

[23:54] Jesse McAnally: Five.

[23:55] Alan Seales: One.

[23:55] Jesse McAnally: Shh.

[23:56] Alan Seales: This is a tough one.

[23:57] Jesse McAnally: I'm sorry.

[23:58] Alan Seales: I'm so sorry.

[23:59] Jesse McAnally: I'm sorry.

[24:00] Alan Seales: Yes.

[24:01] Alan Seales: Dong time on Maple Drive.

[24:04] Jesse McAnally: Say that again.

[24:05] Alan Seales: Dong time on Maple Drive.

[24:07] Jesse McAnally: Dong time.

[24:08] Alan Seales: Dong.

[24:09] Jesse McAnally: Dong time.

[24:10] Alan Seales: Dong time.

[24:13] Jesse McAnally: Five.

[24:13] Alan Seales: Five.

[24:13] Jesse McAnally: Because penis.

[24:15] Alan Seales: Because it's a gay joke.

[24:16] Jesse McAnally: That's correct.

[24:17] Alan Seales: I I think it's either a gay joke or is this someone for just got the forgot the eye.

[24:21] Jesse McAnally: Dong time.

[24:22] Alan Seales: No, I think duh I think dick.

[24:24] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, probably.

[24:24] Alan Seales: Uh Jez.

[24:26] Jesse McAnally: Tim is big.

[24:28] Alan Seales: Kissy emoji.

[24:28] Jesse McAnally: Kissy emoji, kissy emoji, kissy emoji.

[24:31] Alan Seales: And I wouldn't fix him.

[24:32] Jesse McAnally: There's nothing wrong with him.

[24:33] Alan Seales: Shrug emoji.

[24:34] Jesse McAnally: He's an alcoholic.

[24:35] Alan Seales: Yes, exactly.

[24:37] Jesse McAnally: They liked it too much for it to be anything but a five.

[24:40] Alan Seales: Yes.

[24:41] Jesse McAnally: I literally have no idea why I've seen this film.

[24:44] Alan Seales: I feel similarly.

[24:45] Jesse McAnally: Same.

[24:46] Alan Seales: Like, that seems like an obvious one.

[24:48] Jesse McAnally: I'm just gonna go with one.

[24:49] Alan Seales: That you're right.

[24:50] Jesse McAnally: You're right.

[24:50] Alan Seales: Yes.

[24:51] Jesse McAnally: God, Jim was sad, and I was not happy watching him be sad.

[24:57] Alan Seales: Can I have a repeat of that one?

[24:59] Jesse McAnally: God, Jim was sad.

[25:01] Jesse McAnally: And I was not happy watching him be sad.

[25:04] Alan Seales: I was happy watching.

[25:05] Jesse McAnally: I was not happy, yes.

[25:06] Alan Seales: That is correct.

[25:07] Jesse McAnally: Hey, I heard it wrong, and I still got it right.

[25:10] Alan Seales: Alright, Alan.

[25:11] Alan Seales: Yeah.

[25:11] Jesse McAnally: Jim Carrey is there.

[25:14] Alan Seales: Five!

[25:16] Jesse McAnally: No.

[25:18] Alan Seales: Jim Carrey.

[25:19] Jesse McAnally: Alright, Jess, you could win this.

[25:23] Alan Seales: Jess, you could win this.

[25:24] Jesse McAnally: I'm ready.

[25:25] Jesse McAnally: Old gay movies go so hard.

[25:30] Alan Seales: There's one thing I know about gays, they love going hard.

[25:33] Jesse McAnally: That's a five.

[25:33] Alan Seales: That's correct.

[25:34] Jesse McAnally: Jess went.

[25:35] Alan Seales: No!

[25:36] Jesse McAnally: I'm better than you.

[25:41] Alan Seales: That's not fair.

[25:43] Jesse McAnally: That's the letterbox game.

[25:44] Alan Seales: Alan likes to win them, and now he's sad.

[25:47] Jesse McAnally: I'm so sad.

[25:48] Alan Seales: I'm gonna go have sex with Sher.

[25:50] Jesse McAnally: I'm gonna go to my island in the Bahamas.

[25:53] Alan Seales: Um Peggy Suga married her.

[25:57] Jesse McAnally: Um Nick Cage should have.

[26:01] Alan Seales: I want Nick Cage on this podcast.

[26:03] Jesse McAnally: I want to open this into existence.

[26:05] Alan Seales: Nick Cage, we need you as a guest on this podcast.

[26:07] Jesse McAnally: Come on, man on the moon and tell us what you would have done as Andy Cobb.

[26:10] Alan Seales: Yeah, tell us.

[26:10] Jesse McAnally: The Theatre Podcast will just be him talking about his process, but yeah.

[26:14] Alan Seales: I I was also going to do just what Jim had done and become Andy Cobb.

[26:19] Jesse McAnally: It's like that, uh, you know, like regular media did the Star Wars holiday special, but they had one a video not about it at all, and then one video actually about the special.

[26:26] Alan Seales: We'll have two men on the boom podcast, one where Nick Cage talks about his process for an hour, and then one where we actually talk about the movie.

[26:33] Jesse McAnally: I'm the cage.

[26:35] Alan Seales: No, I I I'm just an actor, guys.

[26:37] Jesse McAnally: It's it's not like it's real life.

[26:39] Alan Seales: I I uh I I put my pants on the same way as you guys do.

[26:43] Jesse McAnally: On my head.

[26:44] Alan Seales: Alright, what's our overall thoughts?

[26:46] Jesse McAnally: And isn't it an alrighty then or a no spank you?

[26:49] Alan Seales: Um Alan, you're friends.

[26:51] Jesse McAnally: No spank you.

[26:51] Alan Seales: I'm it.

[26:52] Jesse McAnally: Really?

[26:53] Alan Seales: Okay.

[26:53] Jesse McAnally: Nope.

[26:53] Alan Seales: Nope.

[26:54] Jesse McAnally: I'm I'm no spanking it.

[26:55] Alan Seales: End of story, period.

[26:56] Jesse McAnally: Move it on.

[26:57] Alan Seales: Okay.

[26:57] Jesse McAnally: Alright, Liz.

[26:58] Liz Est: I want to give it a very light alrighty then.

[27:00] Jesse McAnally: What?

[27:01] Liz Est: I know it's very like movie of the week, and the plot isn't great and acting as a mixed bag.

[27:07] Liz Est: But for what it was in 1992, when I looked it up, the it was reported that the top death among gay men was AIDS.

[27:15] Liz Est: Having this was kind of important.

[27:17] Liz Est: And it c within the context of itself, I don't hate what this is.

[27:23] Jesse McAnally: You know, it's fine.

[27:24] Liz Est: It's I'm not gonna watch it again.

[27:25] Liz Est: It doesn't blow me away.

[27:26] Liz Est: But for what it is, it's fine.

[27:28] Alan Seales: So I I I am in the same boat as Liz.

[27:31] Alan Seales: Um literally one scene, one scene alone made me from a pretty solid no spank you to a very light alrighty then.

[27:39] Alan Seales: And it's a scene where um the main character comes out to his friend, because I didn't know how that scene was gonna end, and it actually became like one of those fairly sweet kind of coming out scenes, like one that didn't feel overblown or anything like it.

[27:53] Jesse McAnally: It felt like actual human beings for a brief moment.

[27:57] Alan Seales: Why, man?

[27:57] Jesse McAnally: I mean, what happened?

[28:01] Alan Seales: She seemed like she was really We're friends no matter what.

[28:08] Jesse McAnally: Right?

[28:11] Alan Seales: I can't even believe you would ask me this, man.

[28:13] Alan Seales: Of course we're friends.

[28:15] Jesse McAnally: What the hell is going on?

[28:18] Alan Seales: Allison doesn't want to marry me.

[28:21] Jesse McAnally: Because I'm gay.

[28:30] Alan Seales: Really?

[28:32] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, really.

[28:35] Alan Seales: I mean, hey, you know, you can't really blame her for not wanting to marry you.

[28:39] Jesse McAnally: I mean, there's a lot of things you can overlook in a relationship, but I don't think this is one of them.

[28:46] Alan Seales: Um they do kind of ruin it a bit with like a little bit of a slightly cliche joke at the end where it was like, I'm gonna sing bro Broadway show.

[28:54] Jesse McAnally: Well, no, the don't hug me was reference, yeah.

[28:56] Alan Seales: Yeah.

[28:57] Jesse McAnally: The the don't hug me was fine where he's like, no, no, I'm not like gonna marry.

[29:01] Alan Seales: He's like, no, my ribs.

[29:02] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, that was good.

[29:03] Alan Seales: Like that's actually like there's so many little moments in there where it's obvious, like, no, this is gonna be uh they're fine.

[29:10] Jesse McAnally: And there was no slurs, there was none of those things that a lot of other quote unquote progressive media at the time felt that they needed to include.

[29:18] Alan Seales: Um, and it obviously came from that point of view.

[29:21] Jesse McAnally: And as far as that narrative goes, I thought it was done well.

[29:25] Alan Seales: The Jim Carrey stuff, the sister stuff, horrendous.

[29:28] Jesse McAnally: But that really worked out because that came from a true place, and I cannot rate that as something without matters.

[29:42] Alan Seales: I don't even know who to trust anymore.

[29:43] Jesse McAnally: I can's not that good.

[29:46] Alan Seales: It feels like a a man who struggled with his family, is accepting his own sexuality, writing down his struggle to try to cope with it.

[29:55] Jesse McAnally: And it felt genuine in that way.

[29:57] Alan Seales: So I can't not So, yes, and I also grade on a curve with this.

[30:01] Jesse McAnally: I don't grade these among all the films in the world.

[30:04] Alan Seales: I grade these among the other films we watch on this show and nothing else.

[30:08] Jesse McAnally: Yeah.

[30:08] Alan Seales: He didn't ask me to define a standard when we first started here.

[30:12] Jesse McAnally: That's how I do it.

[30:13] Alan Seales: You define your own standard.

[30:14] Jesse McAnally: I just define the standard on like the context it was made, and like was it better than like the last few things we watched?

[30:21] Alan Seales: Like, yes, it was better than high strung in a way.

[30:23] Jesse McAnally: So fine, fine.

[30:25] Alan Seales: Then I stand by my no spank you.

[30:27] Jesse McAnally: You can buy my.

[30:28] Alan Seales: We're not saying you can't.

[30:29] Jesse McAnally: Yeah, so that's that's the show, guys.

[30:33] Alan Seales: Hope you enjoyed.

[30:35] Jesse McAnally: Thank you for listening.

[30:35] Alan Seales: We're on iTunes and Spotify and carried away.

[30:37] Jesse McAnally: We're on Twitter at carried away.

[30:39] Alan Seales: Um our telecard created by Grace Aki.

[30:42] Jesse McAnally: Go follow them on Instagram at it's Grace Aki.

[30:44] Alan Seales: The show is produced and edited by Elizabeth Eston.

[30:46] Jesse McAnally: Thank you very much.

[30:47] Alan Seales: Our theme song is I choose you by the band Thanks.

[30:49] Jesse McAnally: Thank you to Broadway Podcast for having us on the platform.

[30:52] Alan Seales: Thank you to the Broadway Podcast Network for having us on the platform.

[30:55] Jesse McAnally: Um and you know what?

[30:57] Alan Seales: I'm sick of doing time on Maple Drive, Dad.

[31:00] Jesse McAnally: What's wrong if I want to have a drink in the afternoon if you're gonna borrow all the money from the thing?

[31:06] Alan Seales: Pay off your drug debts.

[31:07] Jesse McAnally: Dad.

[31:08] Alan Seales: Dad.

[31:08] Jesse McAnally: I feel like I don't.

[31:09] Alan Seales: Nick Cage would have been better in this movie.

[31:11] Jesse McAnally: I don't think uh I don't pick up on the borrows as much as you guys are thinking, because I've seen all of Degrassi, and whenever I hear Borrow, it's just kind of normal.

[31:17] Alan Seales: Um all right, we'll see you next time, guys.

[31:20] Jesse McAnally: Bye.

[31:21] Alan Seales: Bye.

[31:22] Jesse McAnally: Liz just end the fucking recording.