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[1:08] David Alpert: Before this episode begins, I wanted to introduce the E-Ticket community to another great Disney podcast, the Book of the Mouse Club podcast with hosts Courtney and Emily.

[1:18] David Alpert: Courtney, Emily, thank you so much for joining me on this episode of E-Ticket to Broadway.

[1:22] Courtney: I know you both love Disney very much.

[1:24] Emily: Yes, we're on the same page.

[1:26] Courtney: Absolutely.

[1:27] Emily: Could not love it anymore.

[1:28] David Alpert: Can you imagine if you started a Disney podcast?

[1:31] Courtney: You're like, you know, I've heard of it.

[1:34] Emily: But it's good that you both love it.

[1:36] Courtney: We are full Disney adults here.

[1:38] Emily: That's right.

[1:38] Courtney: We like to say young at heart.

[1:40] David Alpert: I love that. You know, so we've got some young at hearts on this quick interview.

[1:44] David Alpert: So tell me, I wanted you to go back in time. I love asking all my guests this. What do you remember from your very first trip to the parks?

[1:51] Courtney: Sure. So I was actually seven months old when I first went, so not much. Um, but my family joined the Disney Vacation Club in 1994. So I have kind of a run of memories coming together from those early toddler years visiting. I feel like the castle cake from 1996 really sticks with me. I was a big fan of the cake, and here we are 25 years later. Crazy.

[2:16] Emily: I know. And I do like the decorations for the 50th at Walt Disney World very much. I'm not sure how I felt about the cake in a recorded setting, but I really like this current one for the 50th. I feel like we all love the cake now just because we can talk about it, but at the time it might have been a problem, but without it.

[2:34] Courtney: Yeah. And truly kind of before social media, of course, where you might have had postcards and been like, that's the castle I'm going to see. And then you turn down Main Street and you're like, huh.

[2:45] David Alpert: Emily, what about you? Do you remember anything about your first trip?

[2:48] Emily: Um, so like Courtney, my first trip, my mom was pregnant with me, so I was technically there. Um when my sister was two, she took my sister. Um, but it's kind of hard for me to have early memories. I didn't go quite as often as Courtney. I started going a lot more frequently in my middle to high school years. Um, and then my college program, I've been going every year since my college program. Uh, but I do remember a lot of the yellow ponchos with the Mickey on the back. There's this great picture of my dad pushing me in the old metal strollers, like the ones you see in Disneyland Fun uh sing along song. And I'm asleep and I have probably like one of those reusable drink cups in my hand, and I'm just like knocked out and my dad's pushing me, and we're both in those obnoxious yellow ponchos.

[3:34] Courtney: I remember those a lot. The ponchos. I remember riding It's a Small World a lot because I'm on the shorter end of life. So it took me a while to, you know, reach Space Mountain Heights or Splash Mountain Height. So I wrote a lot of carousel and a lot of It's a Small World, which my father will not ride that with me anymore.

[3:37] Emily: It's a Small World gets so much hate.

[3:56] Courtney: I love it.

[3:57] Emily: I love it.

[3:58] Courtney: I do. Everyone's like, but this it gets in your head. I was like, because it's a good song.

[4:02] Emily: Exactly.

[4:07] Courtney: I'm a little Mr. Disneyland.

[4:08] Emily: Yeah.

[4:09] Courtney: Uh, but I really love that they incorporate Disney characters into It's a Small World. I think that's a lovely touch and a legacy to Mary Blair. So I'm looking for that's one of the top things I'm looking forward to seeing when I do get to Disneyland.

[4:22] Emily: I really like that part too. What's funny is my first time, I believe I was five months, so we kind of share this like we went very early. Maybe that's the key. You know, if you go before you're one or if you're still in the world, Disney parrots. It's still a Disney adult is.

[4:38] Courtney: And you will one day have a Disney podcast.

[4:40] Emily: Yep.

[4:41] David Alpert: So we love the Disney parks. Let's talk about Disney characters. Do we have favorites?

[4:44] Courtney: Mine is Belle, which should come as no surprise for a podcast about books.

[4:51] Emily: Yes.

[4:52] Courtney: Um, same. This is where Courtney and I bonded. We met in college. We were TAs together. And after a few times meeting to talk about how we're teaching our students, the Disney part came out and how much we love Belle. Uh, but after my college program, I absolutely love Mickey even more.

[5:10] Emily: I was like, oh yeah, of course you love Mickey. Who doesn't love Mickey?

[5:12] Courtney: But after my program, I really love Mickey.

[5:16] Emily: Yeah, I'm with you.

[5:17] Courtney: And Mickey, again, every time you go to the park, and there he is. Mickey gives great hugs, a solid high five. He always has a smile.

[5:26] Emily: He does.

[5:26] Courtney: I like to say every time I see him, I say, Do you remember me? And he always nods his head, yes.

[5:31] Emily: So sweet.

[5:31] David Alpert: What about favorite Disney movies? This is going to sound very no surprise here, but Beauty and the Beast tied to Belle.

[5:39] Emily: But if I'm gonna go unconventional, it's absolutely Hocus Pocus.

[5:42] Courtney: And now we are just at that time of year.

[5:44] Emily: Yes, we are recording this right on the precipice of October.

[5:47] David Alpert: Let's talk about Hocus Pocus. Well, Emily, are you also a fan of Hocus Pocus?

[5:51] Emily: I do, but Courtney is definitely the spooky season queen. Um so that one is I love it. I enjoy watching it, but she watches it way more than I do.

[6:01] Courtney: She's already you've already watched it what, twice, three times already this season.

[6:05] Emily: I'm saving it for October. Like I wait into the change and she's like, Nope. Disney put their decorations up, my decorations are up. I'm watching Hocus Pocus.

[6:13] Courtney: We love Hocus Pocus. I remember when it came out in the movie theaters and feeling a sense of ownership because it was a Disney film, Bette Midler, like I was like, no other elementary school kids really know who Bette Midler is. I loved it. I remember getting it out of the VHS at the Disney Vacation Club, Old Key West Resort, because you could rent movies there, and I just latched myself onto it, and then I'm old enough that I remember when my family first got a DVD player and my dad took us to Best Buy and we got to pick out movies and I saw Hocus Pocus on the shelf and I was like, That's it. I love that movie. It's coming home with me.

[6:43] David Alpert: Do you have any favorite moments from the movie?

[6:47] Courtney: I mean, Bette Midler singing I put a spell on you is like of course top tier. But I did go to Salem in 2019 and got to walk past like Max and Danny's house, the town hall, all of the exterior shots, and that was a real treat. I anytime someone gives me an introduction, I always want to say thank you, Max.

[7:06] Emily: Yes.

[7:06] Courtney: And it no, it never lands. And I'm like, okay, no one's going to be able to do that.

[7:09] Emily: It would write here.

[7:10] Courtney: Yes. I'm here for you. Emily, do you have anything you'd like to contribute to the Hocus Pocus conversation?

[7:14] Emily: We just totally went off the rails. Sorry.

[7:16] Courtney: I love it for the musical aspect.

[7:19] Emily: You can't not. I love that it has a big musical number in it.

[7:24] Courtney: And that it's on the more routine side.

[7:26] Emily: Like it's pretty. We talked about so Courtney and I talked about Hocus Pocus with Aaron Wallace, who wrote Hocus Pocus in Focus. And how it's a little more on the adult side. Like it's almost surprising to come from Disney.

[7:40] Courtney: But it has that amazing storytelling that is definitively Disney as well.

[7:45] Emily: Right. I mean, there's a lot of, you know, more teenage conversations. I'm upset that they shame virgins. I think that needs to be readdressed. But there is a lot of talk of growing older, what that means, you know. Just the difference of age between Max and Danny, you know, though I do call my nephews little leaguers.

[8:03] Courtney: Oh.

[8:05] Emily: The little leaguer. Anyway, let's get back to Disney theme parks. That was a nice departure. We are going to play a little Tweedledee or Tweedledum. Where I'm going to give you an option and let me know which one you prefer. But here's the kicker because there's two of you. I'm gonna let you ponder it. I'm gonna count down from three, and I want you to say it at the same time.

[8:22] Courtney: Okay.

[8:22] Emily: This will be interesting.

[8:24] Courtney: On our show, there's a recurring joke that Emily and I always have the same taste in things. So this will be the true taste or true test of that.

[8:32] David Alpert: So here we go. Tweedledee or Tweedledum, Thunder Mountain or Space Mountain.

[8:37] Courtney: Ponder.

[8:39] Courtney: Three, two, one.

[8:41] Courtney: Space Mountain.

[8:42] Emily: Nice.

[8:43] Courtney: We've got two Space Mountains.

[8:45] Emily: Yep. I would agree with you. I love Big Thunder as well, but Space Mountain is actually where I did my college program, so I'm very biased on that one.

[8:53] David Alpert: Tweedledee or Tweedledum, churros or dole whips.

[8:58] Courtney: Ponder.

[9:00] Courtney: Three, two, one.

[9:02] Emily: Churros.

[9:03] Courtney: Dole Whips.

[9:04] Emily: Ooh. We accept each other.

[9:07] Courtney: Yes. Emily has not been to Disneyland, so she hasn't had a good I do like churros, but out of those two, I'm gonna grab the dole whip.

[9:16] Emily: And I know Courtney's not going to because she would prefer Citrus Swirl.

[9:20] Courtney: 100% over Dole Whip.

[9:22] David Alpert: And do you have any other favorite snacks besides I mean Citrus Swirl?

[9:25] Courtney: 100% Mickey Pretzel.

[9:26] Emily: Mickey Pretzel.

[9:27] Courtney: Mickey Pretzel. So if it was like Mickey Pretzel or anything else in the world, you would try to pretend okay.

[9:32] David Alpert: There comes another one. Snow White, Cinderella, or Sleeping Beauty.

[9:39] Courtney: There's three. Snow White, Cinderella, or Sleeping Beauty, Ponder.

[9:43] Courtney: Three, two, one.

[9:45] Emily: Snow White.

[9:46] Courtney: Cinderella.

[9:47] Emily: Okay. Why Snow White, Courtney?

[9:50] Courtney: She's the one who started it all. Also, I think I've I have a thing for brunettes.

[9:55] Emily: Fair.

[9:56] Courtney: And why Cinderella, Emily?

[9:58] Emily: Um, so after we did our princess book, uh from Chronicle Books, we read The Art of Disney Princesses. Uh, I really came to appreciate Cinderella and the caricature the character they had to build. Um, and she's a little bit more progressive than I think we give her credit for for 1950. She has some sarcasm.

[10:18] Courtney: Um, and has such a great sense of humor about her situation, and that animation from Mark Davis of that transformation is just gorgeous.

[10:27] David Alpert: Yeah, solid solid arguments for both. I'm gonna also say Sleeping Beauty is a beautiful film.

[10:32] Courtney: Oh, it's gorgeous.

[10:34] David Alpert: Just to make sure that all three princesses feel loved. So Tweedledee or Tweedledum, watching fireworks over the castle, or watching a parade down Main Street.

[10:44] Courtney: Ponder. This one's tough.

[10:47] Emily: Three, two, one.

[10:49] Courtney: Fireworks.

[10:50] Emily: Fireworks.

[10:51] David Alpert: Okay. Do you have a favorite fireworks show that you've seen?

[10:54] Courtney: Remember Dreams Come True at Disneyland for the 50th. Hands down, one of the best shows. First trip to Disneyland.

[11:00] Emily: Oh.

[11:01] Courtney: It was perfect. When you saw it, had you been on all of the attractions that were referred to in the fireworks show?

[11:09] Emily: I feel like I had growing up going to Walt Disney World. What sticks out to me most is the Haunted Mansion segment where they did the stretching room and the fireworks went up all around you. Pirates of the Caribbean. I forget if Star Tours was in it originally or that was added.

[11:23] Courtney: Nope. That was later on. So we have Star Tours.

[11:25] Emily: It's just in Disney's Hollywood Studios. I'm trying to think if there's anything Disneyland specific. Maybe Indiana Jones, but then I know that.

[11:33] Courtney: Indiana Jones, of course. Yeah. That was the summer I worked, and I got to watch that show many, many times.

[11:38] David Alpert: So Emily, what about you? Any fireworks show you love?

[11:41] Emily: Um, so I have wishes, I think, um, simply for the nostalgia and the college program. But um, particularly Hollow Wishes. Uh, during my college program, um, I said uh I loved Mickey uh because Mickey and Minnie invited me a lot around the parks to join them to greet guests. Uh, but I have a lot of memories watching Hallowishes from Casey Circus because I was helping Minnie greet all the fun guests in their lovely Halloween costumes.

[12:10] Courtney: Love that.

[12:34] Courtney: The fireworks over the castles are just so iconic, though I do love a parade. But if Spectrum Magic comes back, I could change my answer.

[12:35] Emily: The fireworks, um, I don't people don't realize until you're watching not in front of the castle that the fireworks actually go off to the side. Uh, but they're really close to Storybook Circus, and they are huge if you watch the fireworks from Storybook Circus. So I had a lot of good memories. Um, quite a few nights during Halloween parties watching the fireworks with Minnie from Storybook Circus.

[12:42] Emily: You're ready.

[12:42] David Alpert: Yes. Okay. That's like our main street electrical parade is 90s kids, Spectrum Magic.

[12:48] Courtney: Yeah, for sure. Okay, couple more. Tweedledee or Tweedledum. The Little Mermaid or Frozen.

[12:56] Courtney: Three, two, one.

[12:58] Emily: Frozen.

[13:00] Courtney: Mermaid.

[13:01] Emily: Oh my gosh. I'm sorry, I'm dissolving your podcast.

[13:03] Courtney: We're gonna hate each other.

[13:04] Emily: It's okay because that's you have good discussions.

[13:06] Courtney: That's what podcasts are. Tough questions.

[13:09] Emily: Emily, you said fur.

[13:11] Courtney: No, you said I said Little Mermaid. Um for my sister, that is her favorite. Uh so I'm a Belle and she's an Ariel. Um, so we watched a lot of Little Mermaid together, and the music in Frozen is incredible.

[13:26] Courtney: Uh, but I I'm giving it to Howard Ashman.

[13:29] Emily: That's fair. It was a very tough choice, but my gut instinct said Frozen.

[13:35] Carly Jibson: It's a special movie for me and my boyfriend. We kind of got together around that time, and he said I reminded him of Anna. So I was like, Oh, you're so sweet. Uh you're like, and he's a snowman. Yes. He could be my Christoph, not a Hans, though. We don't finish each other's sandwiches.

[13:51] David Alpert: Oh, nice, nice. Okay, final one. A dream is a wish your heart makes, or when you wish upon a star. Three, two, one.

[14:02] Carly Jibson: When you when you wish upon a star.

[14:05] David Alpert: Yeah, I'm with you. Any specific reason why?

[14:08] Carly Jibson: I feel like growing up in the 90s with the VHS tapes, those opening notes with the blue screen and the castle bars. And when you go to Disneyland and you go over the drawbridge, you can hear that song. And wishes when the entire chorus at the end just sings when you wish upon a star and that very Disney chorus sound. Cried every time. Without fail. It's a beautiful moment.

[14:32] David Alpert: Well, thank you both for playing Tweedledee or Tweedledumb. I'd love for you to share with the e-Ticket to Broadway listeners more about the Book of the Mouse Club podcast.

[14:39] Emily: Sure. So Book of the Mouse Club is devoted to the literary side of the Disney realm. We interview authors who have written about Disney. We like to go deep into things that inspired Disney films. Like we have a fairy tale favorite series covering each of the princesses. So we love the parks, the films, classic literature. Really, our bookshelves are always full and always growing with so many great, much great content being published. Uh so we try to put out at least one episode a month, kind of like a little book club. We always let our listeners know where we're headed next in the club so that they can read and listen along with us.

[15:15] David Alpert: Awesome. And Emily, can you tell us where we can find you on social media?

[15:18] Emily: So on Twitter and Instagram, we are at Book of the Mouse. And then you can also follow myself and Courtney on our personal Instagrams, which is tagged in our show notes.

[15:28] David Alpert: Awesome. Well, Courtney and Emily, thank you once again for joining on e-Ticket to Broadway and for sharing your love of Disney.

[15:34] Courtney: Thank you so much for having us.

[15:35] Emily: Thanks for having us. This was so much fun. This will become quite apparent on the episode from the giggles. But this Broadway star and I go back over 20 years. We grew up together in Michigan doing theater together, and then she immediately originated the role of Tracy Turnblad on the National Tour of Hairspray before performing the role on Broadway, and then originated the role of Pepper in Broadway's Cry-Baby. She's ready to know what the people know. Here is Carly Jibson.

[16:09] David Alpert: Carly, my friend of over 20 years, I'm so glad you're joining me on this podcast. I recently saw a very fun trip to Disneyland you took on Instagram. So my very first question to you is why didn't you invite me to go with you?

[16:23] Carly Jibson: I'm so I I always forget that we have this long-standing pact that we can't do anything fun without each other. And I it always slips my mind.

[16:32] David Alpert: Yeah, that's right. Um we've never really talked about Disney together, which is really bizarre.

[16:38] Carly Jibson: It is bizarre. When you were a kid, did you watch the Disney movies a lot?

[16:42] Carly Jibson: Oh, uh absolutely obsessed. So I came up obviously similar to you in the area of the Holy Trinity, which was the Lion King, Little Mermaid with Aladdin, Alan Menken era, and like that was everything. That was basically what I think sparked my love for musicals in general when when Disney really started doing those animated musicals, and the music was, I mean, you you just can't touch the Alan Menken, especially in those days. Um yeah, I mean, that was I think the Little Mermaid was the thing that made me, you know. I mean, now every elder millennial, we're all out here running around being like, I'm a mermaid, but like I am a mermaid, so like I need people to stop appropriating that culture because I am actually am a mermaid, and I'm very offended that a lot of people are trying to come for it, okay.

[17:29] David Alpert: Did you ever go to Lake Michigan as a kid and like swim around singing part of your world?

[17:34] Carly Jibson: No, that happened in my bathtub. Okay, that was that was a specific bathtub. Mostly because I could like lay, I could lay in the bath and like let my hair swing around and really feel the fantasy. Like that was that was where that took place. And I had all these figurines that I would make sit on the bathtub ledge, watch me do that. And then my brother would bang on the door and be like, stop singing that song. And he would be so mad. And I'd be like, quit being jealous and get a spotlight. Go get go get into it. Because he's, you know, my brother's in the business. He's a lighting designer. So I'd be like, why don't you stay in your department, sir?

[18:11] David Alpert: Yeah, that's right. Do you ever watch the classic Disney movies like the Snow Whites, Peter Pans, Sleeping Beauties?

[18:17] Carly Jibson: I did. I think early Renaissance. I did that.

[18:20] Carly Jibson: No, no, I did that a lot at my babysitters. Um, the only one I could never get into, and this is so I had a mean grandma, and um this will this will just show you very on how on brand this was. The only joyful movie she had in her whole house was Fantasia, which of the Disney movies is not the most child friendly. Like it's it's you know, it's sophisticated and it's and it's um, you know, it's for the intelligent mind, and or if you're on mushrooms, I don't know, because the dancing brooms, but like I actually think that that would be an interesting movie to watch under certain influences, but um, but that was the only one she had. So I spent a lot of time watching Fantasia, no singing in that, and and not a lot of plot going on.

Um, I'm actually not really sure what is happening in Fantasia. I it's still a mystery to me. Um, so I did watch that and I I loved Sleeping Beauty and I loved Snow White. Um, those were, you know, those ones were were so good. But now, you know, looking back, I'm like, that's you know, the non-consent kissing and stuff, which can I gotta be honest with you? I just gotta I I think maybe I'm it I uh it's beyond me. Like it just still doesn't bother me. I'm like, oh, but it was her true love. I don't know. Maybe I'm just brainwashed in an old way.

[19:38] Carly Jibson: Maybe. I mean, that Cinderella stuff doesn't check out either. Like she's the only one with that shoe size in that whole town. Like that just doesn't check out to me. I never I never got that as a kid. I feel like that was something I was I was always like, I need a murder mystery podcast just to solve this because I want to know how this is a thing that she's the only six and a half in all the land.

[20:00] David Alpert: Yeah.

[20:00] Carly Jibson: But I mean, we could talk about that on this. It's problematic. But though I though I think because they're magic, you know, the fairy godmother made them, it's not just the size, it's everything. It fits like a real glove, and it's just magical. I think that's I think that's how to justify it.

[20:17] David Alpert: Right, like arch alignment and all that, like Dr. Scholl's real dislike it got, yeah.

[20:21] Carly Jibson: I mean, I guess. Like also, I feel like, you know, the fairies could be they could be modifying how the fitting is going for other people as it's happening. So they're like, you know, they're making it maneuver and I keep saying fairies. It's not several fairies, it's one. It's one of those one fairy godmother. But there could have been some fairies. There could have been some fairies in the town.

[20:46] David Alpert: Yeah, I'm sure of it. And they probably wanted their go at trying that shoe on. But again, it was a different time, and so they weren't gonna let them try that shoe on.

[20:56] Carly Jibson: Yeah, yeah. Well, that's all the time we have. So you spent a lot of time, you know, singing part of your world in your bathtub. Do you remember the first time you went to a Disney park?

[21:17] Carly Jibson: I was grown. So I grew up poor AF, which you know because you've known me for a hundred years. And so we didn't we didn't have a lot. We did we, I'm gonna say the the the redheaded stepchild. We did the Cedar Point, okay, where with the Bernstein bears and things. I don't even know if I'm allowed to mention these TMs here on this podcast, but um, but we did a lot of the Cedar Point because it was just down the road in old Sandusky, and it was we could bring pop bottles back and go stay in like the Pink Cadillac hotel. And uh they are pop, it's pop for us. I know what you're saying for others.

[21:52] David Alpert: Oh yeah, what did I say?

[21:55] Carly Jibson: Soft drink.

[21:56] David Alpert: Oh I was like, did I not say pop?

[21:58] Carly Jibson: Oh, I thought you were coming on.

[21:59] David Alpert: No, you said pop.

[22:00] Carly Jibson: Oh, right, and people don't know what that means. No, but we had I mean, like I was a Disneyland kid, but um we had Michigan's Adventure. We did have Michigan's Adventure, it wasn't what it is now. Like Cedar Point bought Michigan's Adventure, and then they started to make it a thing, and then it got kind of cute, and then it kind of I don't know what they did with it. They were just like, eh. I don't know. It got sort of is it still happening?

[22:22] David Alpert: It's still a park now. I I think it's still happening. But I always complain. Do you remember the theme song? Do you still remember it? Because I because I will never forget it.

[22:31] Carly Jibson: Two parks of the price of one.

[22:33] David Alpert: Twice.

[22:33] Carly Jibson: Yeah, but you can't just no, no, no, no, no. Um I I rebuke this in the name of Jesus. You cannot just do the tagline. There is a whole theme song too.

[22:42] David Alpert: I'm staying in my department. I'm staying in my department. I'm a director. You are the star.

[22:46] Carly Jibson: Okay. Feel free. First of all, ma'am, you and I used to do a lot of singing back in the day. So don't tell me that you don't know how to get out an eight bar, a of all. Um, because I because I'm not buying that, you can throw away the receipt because I'm not buying it. Um, no, how did it go? It was like, um, now she ain't saying it. I'm like an old Buick in the winter, and I the she is not warmed up. Uh Michigan's adventure.

[23:15] David Alpert: No, that's not the right key. Hold on.

[23:17] Carly Jibson: Michigan's adventure, twice the fun. Wild water adventure. Two parks for the price of one twice the fun. That was it.

[23:28] David Alpert: That's really good. So anyway, as a kid.

[23:33] Carly Jibson: Eightfall. So wait, but like tell me what that was like the first time as an adult. I mean, like, I will. I was okay. I was 24 years old, and I had just come off one of the worst breakups of my adult life. And um, and I was so depressed. And my friend Darren was like, we gotta go to Disney. Like, this is the only way I know how to pull you out of this. I wasn't like eating, I wasn't sleeping. It was was bad. And so I was like, uh, and I was like on unemployment at the time. So I was like, I can't afford to go to Disney. And he's like, I got you. He had friends that work there, so we got the day passes and the half off of this meal plans and whatever, like, totally hooked it up. We went for nine days because he was like, if we're gonna, and we went to Disney World.

So he was like, if we're gonna do it, we gotta go for a period of time. And he's a Disney fanatic. And he is like, he he's he's kind of crazy in that, like the schedule's really strict, but I tell you, we went for nine days and went to every single park, and there's not one show. We even went to the the um Blue Loon saloon, whatever the uh Hoot and Nanny, whatever, where you take the boat over to the there's nothing we didn't miss. Um, and it was it was awesome. I saw every show, I saw everything we touched, every piece of Disney. So it was a whirlwind nine day trip. And my mind was absolutely blown. I'm really glad that you know, I'm I'm obviously I would have loved to have gone as a child, but I'm really glad that I went where I was really able to appreciate it because I see people bring their kids to Disney, and I'm like, this is a thousand dollars a day for you to bring your kid here.

They are not gonna remember this. They are ungrateful. They are falling asleep in the buggies, like back when you used to be able to smoke at Disney and they had smoking sections. You used to just see dads just sweating and like counting the money and the wallet to see how much they had left, just like trying to pull it together as best they could. Like, and I just it's it's a stressful thing. So I'm I'm I'm kind of grateful that I waited to be the age that I was.

[25:33] Carly Jibson: Well, and you know, because I'm a polypocket, you know, you gotta be this tall to get on things. I was probably gonna have to wait till I was 24 to get on things.

[25:41] David Alpert: That's right.

[25:43] Carly Jibson: Because I would have been like, I was I don't know what to do with you, tiny person. Um, so it was it was amazing. I my mind was so unbelievably blown. I fell in love with the whole experience of it. And Darren was really good at also giving me Disney history and why Walt wanted things a certain way and the and the the way things were designed, and how there's different birds in different areas and the scents that come out, and how it's such a 360 experience. And I fell in love with the whole concept of it, and how Walt really wanted something that was so separate from the life that you lived to really create this magic. And then I was like, Holy hell, the production that took place of those fireworks and the pyros and phantasmic and like the safari ride.

I was like, Oh, that's a real life. And like my mind was so blown at how meticulous and careful and and thought out everything was. I just thought this is the most perfect experience. And I and people who were like, well, I'm not really a Disney person. I was like, oh, you're dead inside. Because how could you not go and just be in the and then the first time I saw the princess parade, I sobbed. And I was 24. And I wore the crown because Darren, and he didn't tell me this. He because you know, if you wear a crown, they have to call you princess. It's like a rule at Disney. No matter how old you are, they're like, oh, right this way, Princess. I didn't know this, but he was like, wear your crown. And so I did.

[27:06] Carly Jibson: And everywhere we went, they kept calling me princess. And I'm not gonna lie, I was into that, like in a big way. I'm sure that's a massive surprise to you. And it just the whole thing, the whole thing, oh, and the rice crispy treats. I was like, what is in this rice crispy treat? It was the most amazing thing I'd ever put in my mouth, which is saying a lot. So I honestly, like it was it was one of the most incredible things, and I fell in love with the experience. And then I couldn't wait to go back. I actually did go back a second time right after my mom died. I it was the my mom died on October 24th, and Christmas was around the corner, and I was like, I want to cancel Christmas, I want to cancel everything.

I hate this. And I was like, you know what? I want to go to Disney. I have to. And that's where I spent Christmas. It my first Christmas without my mom. It was and it was really therapeutic, and I cried a lot, and it snowed on Main Street, and they had hot chocolates and everything, and it was like, it was really sad, and like I kept looking at like little girls with their moms, and it was like hard, but it was cathartic for me in a way. And and so it's been more to me than just like a fun place. It's been like, I don't know, it's been like kind of full circle for me in a weird way. Not to make Disney all about me, but I have no further questions.

[28:22] David Alpert: That was wonderful. You really just put everything about your love of this park and family and magic. I mean, like I love that you love it. I mean, this is you're on the right podcast.

[28:34] Carly Jibson: Right, exactly. That's why you were like, I'm doing a Disney podcast. I was like, okay. Um, well, no, and I I I do, I just I think that it's it's it's really important, you know. I mean, look, yes, it's it's a it's a full enterprise and some money-making corporation, it's a whole thing. But what it what it really is is a place to give people permission, and I'm not talking like you have to be a full Disney adult, like I because that's a whole other, you know, furby cult area comic-con thing. Like, I don't know. We say young at young at heart, we're young hard. Yeah, but there listen, I don't take anything that seriously, but I will I will go to the mattresses to fight people on on how amazing that place is and that it's worth every penny.

It really is because there's nowhere else that you're gonna be that taken care of, where that much thought and consideration is put into customer service, which is something that like not to be an old crotchety curmudgeon and at the you know age that I am now, but like it's something we don't have anymore. We don't really customer service is is something that's that is kind of been a dying uh custom in this country, and so just to go and have that and and and to yeah, feel like a kid again, you know, it's it's hard to be a grown-up, man. It's it's really hard sometimes. And so it's really important to go back and feel that nostalgia and hope again, right? Like remembering a time where you believed in things, you lose that a little bit as you get old.

You do you you you get a little more hardened, you get a little more tarnished, you get a little more untrusting, you get a little more guarded, and we stop believing in things, we stop believing in magic. And so there is an element of that that I think gets slightly restored when you go, not in a real way, but in a way to remember that you used to believe in those things and that there was power in that. Um, I was incredibly fueled by that narrative as a young person. Like, I, you know, I I set out in the world at a really young age and did some really kind of what normal what what a lot of people think is is like um, you know, a brave thing to do. And to me, it didn't have anything to do with bravery.

It just I had a lot of hope and faith in the world and just thought, well, this is a good place, and good things will happen to me as a result of it. I was so wrong. That's not the way the world works. But you live and you learn. Um, and so I, you know, but to me, that's it's it's this restorative feeling when I'm when I'm there at Disney and getting to see little kids, um, oh, it is kind of, you know, as much as like I'm not a big, big big fan of children. Um, and sometimes I I am that person and people get mad when you say this time. I'm like, can there be a Disney day where there's no kids at Disney? Because that would be the perfect day. Um, and I know people get real mad when you say that because they're like, Are you kidding?

And I'm like, no, uh, not even a little bit. Um, but you know, even seeing the little kids like see their princesses for the first time and seeing, you know, Tiana and all that, it's cool. It's cool. And it just you just remember the first time that you felt that feeling. So yeah.

[32:02] David Alpert: When you were a kid or even today, do you have any favorite Disney characters?

[32:07] Carly Jibson: Oh, I have so I have so many favorite Disney characters. Let me think. Um, obviously, the Little Mermaid is like, is like OG for me. Um that's that is definitely like my go-to. God, why do I like draw such a blank? I'm trying to think of like um it, yeah. I don't know, like the whole the whole Little Mermaid clan, I think is like really is really my favorite favorite. But I'm a big, I'm a big fan of the villains, okay? Because they always got the really good songs. And like I heard a rumor once that there was talk of a fifth park at Disney World, and or they are doing it now, and it's gonna be old classics or whatever, but there was a talk for whether they were gonna do a villain's park. And I was like, why is this not a thing?

I feel like a villain's park. It writes itself, it would be the coolest thing ever. I would spend all my time there. Um, I yeah, I've I always really Ursula, obviously, just circling back with my favorite movie. Um, but like Jafar and like I don't know, they just they always had they always had the cool, you know, the cool sort of character arcs and stuff.

[33:20] David Alpert: You know, Carly, I love that you mentioned both Ariel and Jafar because the voices have done this podcast, and it was so cool talking to both John Jody Benson and Jonathan Freeman about it.

[33:29] Carly Jibson: And I was just talking to Jody Benson. I don't know. Did she say anything about me?

[33:31] David Alpert: Yes.

[33:35] Carly Jibson: She did. Like I I think I spoke to her, but honestly, I I think I blacked out. But yes, I do think she was like, she was like one time Carly Jibson was wearing a bubble vest.

[33:46] David Alpert: Don't even don't even do.

[33:59] Carly Jibson: Okay, so this is a fun new activity we're gonna do. This is some quick word associations. I'm gonna say the name of a Disney character, and you tell me the first word that comes to your mind, okay.

[34:07] David Alpert: Okay, okay. Let me clear my mind. This is like that Warshack thing. Just the first word. And if it's a bad word, I'll bleep it out.

[34:13] Carly Jibson: Okay.

[34:13] David Alpert: Okay. Ready? Here comes the first one. Prince Eric.

[34:17] Carly Jibson: Smoking hot.

[34:18] David Alpert: Okay, those are two words, but we're gonna accept it.

[34:21] Carly Jibson: It's in hyphen. It's that's a hyphen.

[34:24] David Alpert: It's fine. When it's correct, it's fine.

[34:26] Carly Jibson: It's correct.

[34:28] David Alpert: Maleficent.

[34:30] Carly Jibson: Yas.

[34:33] David Alpert: That's my work. Pacchio.

[34:36] Carly Jibson: Pinocchio.

[34:37] David Alpert: Um liar.

[34:41] Carly Jibson: Okay, good.

[34:44] David Alpert: Smoking hot. Yasli.

[34:46] Carly Jibson: Okay, two more. Well. No, two more. And I s what's funny is I scripted this before our conversation, but here's the next one. Ursula.

[34:51] Carly Jibson: Misunderstood.

[34:59] David Alpert: Oh.

[35:01] Carly Jibson: Deep.

[35:03] David Alpert: Well, I yeah.

[35:04] Carly Jibson: Okay. Well, and and the final one is Belle.

[35:08] David Alpert: Meh.

[35:10] Carly Jibson: Oh, really?

[35:12] David Alpert: Hot hot take. We love Belle, but okay.

[35:15] Carly Jibson: I do I love Belle. I just she gives me she gives me she gives me complainy vibes.

[35:22] David Alpert: Okay.

[35:22] Carly Jibson: Oh. Like I feel like going back, I'm like, it wasn't that bad.

[35:26] David Alpert: She literally.

[35:27] Carly Jibson: But she literally sacrifices everything for her family, whereas Ariel does the opposite.

[35:33] David Alpert: Yeah, because Ariel, first of all, those sisters have it all covered. She doesn't, they don't, they're trying to, they're you know what they're trying to do? They're trying to Britney Spears her and make her be the star of the show. And she's like, I'm trying to live my own life. Take out my IUD. Do you see what I'm saying? She wants legs, she wants to go, she doesn't want this life. And it's a woman's right to choose. And she chose legs.

[35:54] Carly Jibson: Okay.

[35:55] David Alpert: And she chose legs.

[35:57] Carly Jibson: She did for her. And why is it so wrong for a woman to do for herself and not her family?

[36:04] David Alpert: Okay. So next question. What are some of your must-do activities when you go to Disney?

[36:09] Carly Jibson: Oh, yeah. Okay, fair enough. Um, well, first we just start with the menu. There are so many things I have to eat. Usually I'm like, this is my cheat day for the whole year, and I just go hard. So we talk in Disneyland, or we talk in Disney World.

[36:25] David Alpert: And I mean, that is a great question. We haven't really gotten into it. The first time you went to Disneyland, what was that like for you in comparison?

[36:34] Carly Jibson: The first time I yeah, the first time I went to Disneyland, it actually was cool because I got to see, like, because I did Disney World first, going to see like the OG concept and how, you know, how they really tried to add on to it at Disney World. Like it just gave me an appreci um a big appreciation for the classics, you know, like the the OG stuff that was there. Um, and it it has such a nostalgic feeling to it. And um, so I I thought it was awesome. And then of course they have, you know, California Adventure Land or whatever it's called, California Adventure Land.

[37:09] David Alpert: California.

[37:11] Carly Jibson: No, no land. Right.

[37:12] David Alpert: Because Disney California.

[37:13] Carly Jibson: California Adventure, right? See, I always be trying to put a land after everything. Um so yeah, I but oh, but honestly, it it's the food for me. Like, okay. So things I always have to do, I have to make sure I do Indiana Jones. To me, it's one of the coolest rides still there to this day. Yes. I love a Pirates because you gotta rest your legs, right? It's nice and cool in there, and you get misted, and like you get to rest your legs, and you're like, I know how the story goes, sir. We're all waiting for the little drop, and we're waiting for Johnny at the end, and it is what it is. But like, um, oh, and have you speaking of back circle back to food? Have you eaten in that restaurant? I I I got one.

[37:49] David Alpert: Blue bayou?

[37:52] Carly Jibson: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm sure you have. I don't know if you know why I'm asking you this. But um No, there's still some there's still some things that Disney I've never done.

[38:00] David Alpert: Really?

[38:02] Carly Jibson: Like the canoes I've never done.

[38:05] David Alpert: Okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Did you get in that? Did you get in that crazy submarine thing?

[38:10] Carly Jibson: I will not do that.

[38:12] David Alpert: What do you mean, the Nemo ride where you go underwater?

[38:16] Carly Jibson: No, you're not trapping. No, no, you're no, nope. You're not trapping me underground in the water at in a theme park with children. Absolutely not. Nope. Nope, nope, I'm not doing that.

[38:28] David Alpert: I don't do the Nemo ride.

[38:30] Carly Jibson: It is the original submarine ride was one of my favorites. And I I think the Nemo ride is really sweet, but but that's okay.

[38:36] David Alpert: Okay, so like what just tell me what happens down there. Were you just looking at fish in a fish tank?

[38:39] Carly Jibson: But you're but you're trapped in a tube underwater. I don't think there's I don't think I can change your mind as how I mean like I just want to know what happens because I'm never doing it. I mean, like you can look at it online, but you know, you're you're on a submarine, and then you're looking out at the water, and then you see the Nemo characters come to life, but they're like they're it's like a screen, is like a screen on the windows. I don't I think it's just magic.

[39:10] David Alpert: I mean, I'm really upset that I feel like this is something I'm missing out on now. And but I'm I gotta be honest with you, that I struggle with that. I really struggle with you putting me in a coffin with a bunch of with a bunch of strange mouth breathers with sticky hands, and now you know I'm just trapped under here underwater where I'm gonna suffocate to death, and actually we'll never die there because you can't die at Disney.

[39:33] Carly Jibson: That's the rule.

[39:35] David Alpert: Then that's the first time that's come up on this podcast. So thank you, Charlie. Listen, because I know all the secret things. You want to talk about Disney, I'm gonna talk about the secret things. What about okay? Wait, here's another question for you. Uh, you of course started as Tracy as the on the first national tour of hairspray before playing the role in Broadway. Do you think Tracy would enjoy a trip to Disney?

[39:56] Carly Jibson: Oh, and then some Tracy would have been all over Disney, I think. Yeah, no, without a doubt.

[40:03] David Alpert: If she were to get a job, what job would she get?

[40:06] Carly Jibson: Oh, she would work in the oh god, I don't know. Hold on. Oh I could see her being like what in one of the confection shops, like making the candies. And that's not just because you know, that's not a fat thing. Like, I'm not coming for that. I just feel like that's a place where you you see a lot of excited faces come through because who is not excited to be in that place? And it's so cool to watch them make little candies and stuff. So I feel I feel like she would do that. Um, or she could also like be, yeah. Yeah, no, I was gonna say, or she would be running the haunted mansion ride.

[40:39] Carly Jibson: Oh, yeah.

[40:40] David Alpert: See, I would think that she'd want to be like performing, like in a parade, like you know, she could be a dancer, like in the castle show at Disney.

[40:49] Carly Jibson: I wasn't trying to take that away from her. I just thought I was thinking like Disney work, not Disney like performance cast member. I was thinking like, like what job would you? I guess maybe I was just projecting of what I want to do. I just want to work in a candy shop. I think really that's what's going on here is I'm just projecting.

[41:06] David Alpert: Oh, sorry. We'll be right back.

[41:10] Carly Jibson: Oh, what's the ball commercial?

[41:24] David Alpert: Fast pass.

[41:30] Carly Jibson: Okay, it's time for fast pass answers. I'm gonna put 30 seconds on the clock after I ask the first question. You can answer as many as you can in that time. Are you ready?

[41:40] Carly Jibson: Are these trivia questions? I feel like I won't be good at this. I I'm a high school dropout.

[41:45] David Alpert: Is it too late to mention that?

[41:49] Carly Jibson: I don't have a diploma.

[41:51] David Alpert: No, I'm aware because I went to high school with you.

[41:53] Carly Jibson: Okay, there's no math in here, right?

[41:55] David Alpert: I was like, take me with you.

[41:57] Carly Jibson: Okay, um, no, there's there's no trivia.

[41:57] David Alpert: There's no trivia.

[42:01] Carly Jibson: Okay, ready? Carly, what is your favorite Disney movie?

[42:05] Carly Jibson: Little Mermaid.

[42:07] David Alpert: Name one of the seven dwarfs.

[42:09] Carly Jibson: Sleepy.

[42:10] David Alpert: Favorite snack in the parks.

[42:13] Carly Jibson: Um, Rice Krispies Treats.

[42:15] David Alpert: Name any song from Hairspray.

[42:18] Carly Jibson: I can hear the bells.

[42:20] David Alpert: Favorite Disney princess.

[42:24] Carly Jibson: Ariel.

[42:25] David Alpert: Name a Disney villain.

[42:28] Carly Jibson: Oh, all of them. Um, um, uh uh um, oh, oh, it's happening. I'm having a stroke. Um, uh I wanted to not name Ursula because I feel like all I do is talk about the Little Mermaid, and in my attempts to be diverse, I completely had a stroke, and I didn't get to answer, and I will still answer for the record.

[42:51] David Alpert: Please do.

[42:51] Carly Jibson: Please do. And I'm gonna say Jafar.

[42:54] David Alpert: Okay, great.

[42:56] Carly Jibson: Rice Krispies Treats. I love when people love snacks from the parks that is like not specific to Disney.

[43:02] David Alpert: But it's like you can get a rice crispy treat.

[43:05] Carly Jibson: No, that's just it's magic. I get it. It there, but I think they just use so much butter or something. Like they're so gooey and ooey. Like, I just I don't know. My friend Darren tells the story, but would the first time we went. He's like, you were so obsessed with them. And he's like, I remember waking up at like three o'clock in the morning and hearing like the like the like the cellophone cellophane wrapper. And he's like, I flip on the the night switch, and literally you're sitting there eyes closed, just shoving the rice crispy treat in your mouth, like full, like half awake, but still like whatever. I was like, Oh, I was sleep eating, I must have been dreaming about it, and I was like, I still have some, but didn't fully commit to the wake up, like because you don't want to wake yourself up fully because that's insane.

You can't just wake up and eat a rice crispy treat, but you can sleep eat it, and I did, and he's like, I thought we had a mouse in our room, or something was going on because it was just off this, like fidgeting with the thing, and then it's like the it's like the night camera, like catching the raccoons eating the trash.

[44:04] David Alpert: Yes, that was me, just a full trash panda, just half asleep, just just shoving Rice Krispies in my gullet. I love them so much.

[44:19] Carly Jibson: Hold on, you're thinking ears.

[44:21] David Alpert: It's trivia time.

[44:22] Carly Jibson: Oh boy.

[44:29] David Alpert: Uh closely connected with your Broadway career.

[44:32] Carly Jibson: That's the hand going into it.

[44:33] David Alpert: Here we go. Mickey Mouse.

[44:36] Carly Jibson: Mickey Mouse is an animated comedy TV series that I watched on Disney Plus a lot, and it features Disney cartoon characters Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Daisy, Goofy, and Pluto in contemporary settings such as Paris, Venice, Tokyo, and New York. And the series has the slapstick feel of the earliest Mickey Mouse shorts while providing a modern update. And this style can be seen in Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway attraction at the Disney Parks. In the 2018 Mickey Mouse episode titled The Fancy Gentleman, audiences meet Wadsworth Thorndike the Third, an etiquette instructor Minnie has hired for Mickey.

[45:10] David Alpert: Which creator, producer, and actor born in Baltimore gives voice to this character.

[45:17] Carly Jibson: Is it John Waters?

[45:19] David Alpert: It is John Waters.

[45:21] Carly Jibson: Wow.

[45:23] David Alpert: Carly, you did it. I mean, you set me up for that, so I do appreciate the lead-in.

[45:27] Carly Jibson: If I think on the appreciate that, don't make me look stupid on national television.

[45:32] David Alpert: Thank you.

[45:33] Carly Jibson: Yeah, that's right. This is national television, isn't it?

[45:37] David Alpert: It is, yeah. But also, like he was in another episode in 2013.

[45:41] Carly Jibson: Yeah, who knew? John Waters giving voice to a Mickey Mouse short. That is one of my favorite things about John Waters is the unexpectedness of him.

[45:49] David Alpert: Like everything that he does, it's always like really, but you're like, no, that's still very on brand.

[46:07] Carly Jibson: Carly, you famously originated the role of Tracy, as we talked about in the national tour of the Tony Award-winning musical hit Hairspray just out of high school, and then played the role on Broadway, which means you sang that score for quite some time.

[46:20] David Alpert: So in today's game, Hairspray or Disney, I'm going to share two different lyrics, and I need you to sing the lyrics that belong to the musical Hairspray.

[46:30] Carly Jibson: Uh bonus points if you can name the Disney song I'm referencing.

[46:33] David Alpert: And of course, if you sing any of the Disney lyrics, you immediately win 30,000 bonus points and a Rice Krispy Street.

[46:39] Carly Jibson: Okay.

[46:40] David Alpert: Shouldn't it be 33?

[46:42] Carly Jibson: I'm just saying.

[46:43] David Alpert: Ooh, fancy, like Club 33.

[46:45] Carly Jibson: I'm with you.

[46:46] David Alpert: Okay, so but again, I'm gonna say two sets of lyrics, and you're gonna either sing or speak, but please sing the lyrics that belong in the musical Hairspray.

[46:55] Carly Jibson: Okay.

[46:56] David Alpert: And then we'll discuss.

[46:57] Carly Jibson: Okay, so number one.

[46:59] David Alpert: I'm gonna read both lyrics.

[47:00] Carly Jibson: I know.

[47:01] David Alpert: Okay.

[47:01] Carly Jibson: Number one, I would go most anywhere to find where I belong, or I know every step, I know every song, I know there's a place where I belong.

[47:01] Carly Jibson: I know every step, I know every song, I know there's a place where I belong.

[47:18] David Alpert: And that's good morning, Baltimore.

[47:21] Carly Jibson: That's right.

[47:21] David Alpert: Well done.

[47:22] Carly Jibson: But very similar. Both Hercules and Tracy.

[47:25] David Alpert: Okay, number two.

[47:27] Carly Jibson: I'm not wrong.

[47:28] David Alpert: Often I am, but when it comes to Disney and Broadway, I'm usually not. It's kind of my brand.

[47:33] Carly Jibson: I would go almost anywhere to find.

[47:37] David Alpert: Right?

[47:37] Carly Jibson: That's right.

[47:38] David Alpert: But first of all, that key.

[47:40] Carly Jibson: Yes.

[47:40] David Alpert: That's right.

[47:41] Carly Jibson: Okay, number two. Again, I'm gonna name two sets of lyrics, and you sing the Hairspray lyrics.

[47:45] Carly Jibson: I can hear the bells.

[47:46] David Alpert: Well, don't you hear them chime?

[47:48] Carly Jibson: Or to the big bells as loud as the thunder, to the little bells soft as a psalm.

[47:54] Carly Jibson: Okay, first of all.

[47:56] Carly Jibson: I know that I can hear that.

[47:58] Carly Jibson: I can hear the bells as far as I can hear the bells.

[48:00] David Alpert: You didn't disguise that one very well.

[48:02] Carly Jibson: I did not know.

[48:03] David Alpert: So you're literally the title of the song.

[48:06] Carly Jibson: Um I don't know.

[48:09] David Alpert: I don't I don't know the second.

[48:11] Carly Jibson: I don't know that.

[48:12] David Alpert: Say it the second one again.

[48:14] Carly Jibson: I'll say it again.

[48:15] Carly Jibson: To the big bells as loud as the thunder, to the little bells soft as a psalm.

[48:22] Carly Jibson: Yeah, I don't even know what a psalm is.

[48:24] David Alpert: So I I'm gonna need to phone a spray.

[48:28] Carly Jibson: Yeah, I know. Like Bible stuff, right?

[48:31] David Alpert: Yeah, I need to philosoph.

[48:32] Carly Jibson: Like Bible stuff.

[48:33] David Alpert: Okay.

[48:33] Carly Jibson: Yeah. But again, you figured it out.

[48:35] David Alpert: You know which one is the Hairspray.

[48:37] Carly Jibson: That's the real game.

[48:38] David Alpert: Don't try to make me feel smart because it was the dumbest question a person's ever been asked, and then you try to be like, no, but you got it.

[48:47] Carly Jibson: I like to support.

[48:51] David Alpert: Um the second one is actually from The Bells of Notre Dame from Hunchback.

[48:55] Carly Jibson: Oh, I know.

[48:56] Carly Jibson: I yeah, I that's yep.

[48:59] Carly Jibson: Yep.

[49:02] David Alpert: I don't think I ever saw it.

[49:04] Carly Jibson: Yeah.

[49:06] David Alpert: Well, what are you doing later?

[49:10] Carly Jibson: Yeah, I guess.

[49:11] Carly Jibson: I guess I gotta get on there.

[49:12] David Alpert: Now I'm gonna now those bells are gonna haunt me and my dreams.

[49:14] Carly Jibson: That's right.

[49:15] David Alpert: Okay.

[49:15] Carly Jibson: Number three for Hairspray or Disney.

[49:17] David Alpert: Let me know which one is from Hairspray.

[49:19] Carly Jibson: I'll be there someday.

[49:20] David Alpert: I can go the distance.

[49:22] Carly Jibson: I will find my way if I can be strong.

[49:24] David Alpert: Or there's a cry in the distance.

[49:25] Carly Jibson: It's a voice that comes from deep within.

[49:28] David Alpert: Which one is from Hairspray?

[49:30] Carly Jibson: Neither.

[49:31] David Alpert: Is that a trick question?

[49:33] Carly Jibson: It's not.

[49:34] David Alpert: The second one is from I Know Where I've Been.

[49:37] Carly Jibson: There's a cry in the distance.

[49:39] David Alpert: It's a voice that comes from.

[49:40] Carly Jibson: Oh, I didn't.

[49:42] Carly Jibson: Oh, I really didn't listen to the second one because I was I didn't pay attention.

[49:47] Carly Jibson: I uh this is going uh d into the toilet.

[49:51] David Alpert: Yeah, no, the first one's uh go the distance again.

[49:54] Carly Jibson: Okay, okay.

[49:55] David Alpert: Number four, without you're gonna be great on this one.

[49:57] Carly Jibson: Which one is from Hairspray?

[49:59] David Alpert: Without love, life is like the seasons with no summer, or when life gets rough, I like to hold on to my dream of relaxing in the summer sun, just letting off steam.

[50:09] Carly Jibson: Okay, I think I can do this one.

[50:10] Carly Jibson: Uh without love, obviously from Hairspray, and I believe the second one is from Frozen.

[50:16] David Alpert: Yes, it is from Frozen.

[50:18] Carly Jibson: Right?

[50:18] David Alpert: Okay, okay, good.

[50:19] Carly Jibson: It's um Olaf's song.

[50:21] David Alpert: It is Olaf's song.

[50:23] Carly Jibson: You are really trying to make up for that last one.

[50:24] David Alpert: You're like, it was written in this meter.

[50:27] Carly Jibson: It was a freaking car wreck, is what it was.

[50:30] David Alpert: No.

[50:31] Carly Jibson: Okay, we're almost there.

[50:32] David Alpert: Number six.

[50:33] Carly Jibson: Okay.

[50:34] David Alpert: Someday I will meet a man you won't condemn, or someday my prince will come.

[50:39] Carly Jibson: Okay, yeah.

[50:40] Carly Jibson: Uh uh, the first one's from Hairspray.

[50:43] Carly Jibson: Um, and it's Mom I'm a big girl now.

[50:46] David Alpert: Yes.

[50:46] Carly Jibson: Um, and then uh the second one is um someday my prince will come is Aurora is sleeping beautiful.

[50:55] David Alpert: No.

[50:56] Carly Jibson: No.

[50:56] David Alpert: See, I get it's Snow White.

[50:59] Carly Jibson: It's Snow White, it's no white.

[51:00] Carly Jibson: I always get those two confused.

[51:03] David Alpert: I I hear you.

[51:04] David Alpert: They're they're both asleep for a while in it and are woken with a kiss.

[51:09] Carly Jibson: I know, and I can never remember with which is I knew you I danced with you once upon a dream, and that one.

[51:14] Carly Jibson: I get them confused.

[51:15] David Alpert: Yeah, that's okay.

[51:17] Carly Jibson: Um, number seven, this one's my favorite.

[51:20] David Alpert: Okay.

[51:20] Carly Jibson: Is it let me see? I have three, five, no weight, I have twenty, or I've got who's its and what's its galore.

[51:28] David Alpert: You want thing of a bobs, I've got twenty.

[51:32] Carly Jibson: Okay, well, like, I'm not dumb.

[51:35] Carly Jibson: So I know the second one is from The Little Mermaid, and I'm trying to find the trick of where this let me see.

[51:42] Carly Jibson: I have is in Hairspray.

[51:44] David Alpert: Where is that?

[51:45] Carly Jibson: Say the first one again.

[51:47] David Alpert: Let me see.

[51:48] David Alpert: I have three, five, no weight.

[51:50] Carly Jibson: I have twenty.

[51:50] David Alpert: Okay, oh my god, I don't know.

[51:55] Carly Jibson: Is it in Good Morning Baltimore?

[51:57] David Alpert: No, it's it's Miss Baltimore Krabs.

[51:59] Carly Jibson: I believe she's referring to number of I is sing that song.

[52:02] Carly Jibson: Now that is some I did not sing that is it is from Miss Baltimore Crabs.

[52:08] Carly Jibson: I that listen, I was doing nah.

[52:11] Carly Jibson: No, I do not.

[52:12] David Alpert: Yeah, if that's a line I say.

[52:14] Carly Jibson: Yes.

[52:16] Carly Jibson: Wait, when show me.

[52:19] David Alpert: Where do I say that?

[52:21] Carly Jibson: I need proof.

[52:22] David Alpert: I don't believe this.

[52:23] Carly Jibson: Hold on.

[52:24] David Alpert: I say that.

[52:27] Carly Jibson: Oh my god, it is not queued up.

[52:34] David Alpert: How many slash?

[52:35] Carly Jibson: Oh, well, I'm sure I've got plenty.

[52:37] David Alpert: Let me see.

[52:38] Carly Jibson: I have three.

[52:39] David Alpert: No, wait, I have 20.

[52:41] Carly Jibson: I would say.

[52:43] David Alpert: Okay.

[52:44] David Alpert: To be fair, that is not a sung line.

[52:48] Carly Jibson: That is a spoken line.

[52:50] David Alpert: And I thought that the whole point of this game was to have sung lyrics because you said the word lyrics.

[52:58] Carly Jibson: That is a line out of the book.

[53:01] David Alpert: But I'm sure that those lyrics appear in rhythm form in the score.

[53:06] Carly Jibson: Well, we're gonna have to ask Mark Shaman about that because I'm gonna I'm gonna ask him if that's a lyric or if that's in the book.

[53:13] David Alpert: I'm gonna be like, did you get paid for that one?

[53:15] Carly Jibson: Or did uh Mark O'Donnell get paid for that one?

[53:18] David Alpert: Let's find out.

[53:18] Carly Jibson: I just I love that Tracy's sweaters and Ariel's thing of a bobs.

[53:23] David Alpert: 20.

[53:24] Carly Jibson: It's very similar.

[53:25] David Alpert: Okay, a few more.

[53:26] Carly Jibson: And the line where the sky meets the sea, it calls me, or it's deep as a river and soar to the sky.

[53:32] David Alpert: One is from Hairspray, one's from Disney.

[53:34] Carly Jibson: Deep as a river and so do the sky is uh uh black or the uh run until that.

[53:40] Carly Jibson: And um see the line where the sky meets a sea.

[53:45] Carly Jibson: It calls me.

[53:46] David Alpert: Oh, I love this as Moana.

[53:48] Carly Jibson: That is a bomb song.

[53:51] David Alpert: Every time I hear that song, I have to just stop what I'm doing.

[53:54] Carly Jibson: It's the best.

[53:55] David Alpert: Yeah.

[53:56] Carly Jibson: All the cars are honking behind you.

[53:58] Carly Jibson: You're like, I have to finish the song.

[54:00] David Alpert: They're like, get out of the road.

[54:15] Carly Jibson: Right. Um, so obviously, I know the second one is from You Can't Stop the Beat. But see, I already forgot the first one that you said, say it again. And at last I see the light, and it's like the sky is new. I know it, but I don't know it. At last I see the light in the. It's one of my favorites. I can I look I can hear it, but I can't. Okay, just tell me.

[54:34] David Alpert: Yeah.

[54:35] Carly Jibson: It's from Tangled. The song is I see the light.

[54:38] David Alpert: Oh, I never seen that either.

[54:40] Carly Jibson: That it I don't I fully lied about that sounding familiar. It just is a good lyric.

[54:44] David Alpert: You might have seen it in the parks. They play it. It replays the light and phantasmic.

[54:49] Carly Jibson: Yeah. My thoughts. Okay. Number 10. There's gonna be a bonus one, but here's number 10. Cause it's time for a star who looks just like you, or come on everybody shout out loud, a star is born.

[55:03] David Alpert: Um, first one, obviously, from Hairspray. Time for a star who looks just like you. Welcome to the 60s. Um I don't, I don't I don't I don't know.

[55:11] Carly Jibson: Yeah, this one's actually it's it's the very end of Hercules.

[55:15] David Alpert: A star is born.

[55:17] Carly Jibson: Oh.

[55:18] David Alpert: For the credits.

[55:19] Carly Jibson: Such a good one.

[55:21] David Alpert: Hercules.

[55:22] Carly Jibson: Yes. Yep. Okay, here's the bonus round. I feel like this one's gonna be hard.

[55:24] David Alpert: No, it's not.

[55:27] Carly Jibson: The rats on the street, I'll dance around my feet. Or Riff Rat, Street Rat, I don't buy that.

[55:34] David Alpert: Right.

[55:35] Carly Jibson: Hairspray Aladdin.

[55:37] David Alpert: That's right. Coming in strong. Carly, you did so well.

[55:41] Carly Jibson: I don't know. I really feel like I could have done better, but that's just me, and I'll talk to my therapist about my need to be perfect on everything.

[55:42] David Alpert: I'll talk to my therapist too, but my therapist is Mickey Mouse. So we'll see how that goes.

[55:54] Carly Jibson: Oh boy. Now let's hear from some of you.

[56:01] David Alpert: Huh?

[56:07] Carly Jibson: Carly, you put on Instagram. Here are some questions from your fans. Alana asks if Tracy Turnblad could be any Disney character, who would she want to be?

[56:17] Carly Jibson: Oh. Um, I think that Tracy would want to be. Oh, this is really good. And I feel like I it would be somebody, you know, I honestly kind of feel like she would be Tiana in the way that like she'd want to make her own way in the world and like do her own thing and and become successful, and it's not really about a man and it's not really driven in that way.

[56:44] David Alpert: Yeah, I do.

[56:46] Carly Jibson: Yeah, I think she would really love that.

[56:47] David Alpert: I do too. Um Carrie asks, what's your go-to Disney Parks outfit?

[56:53] Carly Jibson: Oh, lovely photo. You did send me a lovely photo of a Pancho, which I'm I'm very excited about. But I think um, so I'm I would have to say she's not a princess, and you haven't asked me my favorite Disney character. Um, you asked me about princess. And so Tinkerbell is my absolute favorite. And so I usually try to wear something tink. I have tink shirts, I have I have some, I have a necklace, I have a tink necklace. I um yeah, I tink everything. I usually I did not wear a crown this last time because I couldn't find it. Um, so I do try to do some form of ears, um, although it can give you a headache after a while. And then, like always some sort of shirt and regalia of some sorts. Um, but yeah, I don't, it's never the same every time I do like to mix it up.

But you gotta be functional. I mean, that's the thing. It's a long day, you're on your feet, you're in the sun, you want to stay cool, but if you get wet, you gotta think about it, and then it gets cool at night. So, like, you really gotta think about the whole day. And for me, it's about functionality. So a fanny pack always as well. And bring that poncho, get you that two dollar poncho. Don't buy one at the park because it'll be the $15.

[58:07] David Alpert: Philip would like to know, and I we did go over this, but Philip did ask, what's your favorite Disney movie?

[58:13] Carly Jibson: Yeah, I definitely The Little Mermaid. Like, without a doubt. It just it's what I put on. Have you seen in the very beginning the hidden Mickey Donald and Goofy at the concert?

[58:24] David Alpert: No.

[58:25] Carly Jibson: What? Oh my gosh. Listen, I don't like to give away spoilers, so um, I'm gonna tell you this off offline.

[58:31] David Alpert: Oh, okay. Off the record.

[58:33] Carly Jibson: And Laura says, Do you relate to any of the Disney princesses?

[58:39] Carly Jibson: Oh, um, all of them. No, I mean, listen, all of them in their own right. I mean, like, I think everybody thinks they're the main character of their own story, which is a very Disney princess vibe. And I relate to that hardcore. I'm a full Leo sun with a Libra moon, and so I'm very emotional, but like also impulsive and and um insane. And so I I like all of that. I mean, like to me, the princesses are always like they're in the prime of this transition of their life from their childhood into their womanhood, right? And so they're always like, you know, rebelling against that and and and sort of finding their way in the world, and it's this very like everything feels very coming of age, but with its own, you know, specific narrative.

And and so I think there's there's no way you can't relate to some of that. I mean, um, I definitely fantasized about being, you know, like Jasmine in a very like trapped sort of like in a castle, and and same thing with like Rapunzel, and you know what I mean? Like, that's that was always sort of the fantasy. Um, but you know, not to just be trite about it, but I gotta say, the little mermaid, you know, like we both sing, we both really like having legs, we both think Prince Eric is smoking hot. You know what I mean? Like, we uh, you know, uh, we like to collect things. Like, I'm not, I wouldn't say I'm like hoarder status, but like it is kind of hard for me to let things go, mostly because of my abandonment issues, which is like a separate thing.

But like, you know, I I feel her. I feel like coming from a big family, and you're like trying to break away from that. You don't feel like you belong where you were born. Like I relate to that real heavily. So that is for me. Like, she is for me.

[1:00:22] David Alpert: That's fair. I do remember the first time we met. You literally walked right up to me and started touching my hair and saying, I love your red hair.

[1:00:30] Carly Jibson: That's right. It's just like Ariel.

[1:00:32] David Alpert: I'm so upset.

[1:00:34] Carly Jibson: No, you didn't do that. You didn't do that.

[1:00:36] David Alpert: Oh my god. Because if you would have done that to me, I'd been like, oh my gosh, I love Disney too.

[1:00:42] Carly Jibson: It's time for some tough choices. Let's play Tweedledee or Tweedledum.

[1:00:49] David Alpert: Carly, it's Twittledee or Tweedledum. I'm gonna give you two options. Tell me which one you prefer. Tweedly or Tweedledum, Space Mountain or Big Thunder Mountain.

[1:00:57] Carly Jibson: Oh, Big Thunder Mountain. I gotta say it. It's so cool. It's one of my favorites. And if you get on the back, you can really get the whirly gigs in your stomach.

[1:01:07] David Alpert: Yep.

[1:01:08] Carly Jibson: Love, I love Big Thunder. I think I know the answer to this one. Prince Eric or Aladdin.

[1:01:13] David Alpert: Eric all day.

[1:01:15] Carly Jibson: Yeah.

[1:01:16] David Alpert: You love him.

[1:01:16] Carly Jibson: I really do. Do you love Max? Remember Max the dog?

[1:01:19] Carly Jibson: Can I tell you a story about my my this is my my brother's five years older, and we got into this big fight, and this is most one of the most traumatic things that ever happened to me. So I had an Eric doll, right? He was like a life size, not life size, he was a Barbie size doll. And I was collecting all of them, and my brother and I were playing with Barbies in the basement. That's right. I just called you out playing Barbies in the basement. You were 12, I was seven. And he was like, oh, I'm gonna take this one because he's a pilot. And I was like, because he had this white shirt on with the little like epith epaulette things and whatever. And I was like, he's not a pilot, he's a sailor. And we got in this huge fight about we were doing this tug of war, and he was like, he's a pilot, he's a sailor, he's a pilot, he's a sailor.

We're in the basement, right? So there we have the the boiler, like the water heater, boiler or whatever. And it has like an opening at the bottom where there's actual fire that's like heating the water. And he's like, he's a pilot, watch. And he threw him to fight, and he flew into the flames, and I watched him burn alive in front of my eyes. It was the most traumatic thing ever, and Ariel was a full widow until Christmas, which was like a long way away until I could get another Eric doll. But they had changed the model at that point, and like he just like did not look the same. And Ariel knew that he wasn't the same, and like just things were never the same after that. I feel like that's when like really, yeah, yeah, it was like so traumatic. So my love for Eric is like as a widowed woman, like it goes very deep.

[1:02:44] David Alpert: Okay. So well, there's no good segue. Tweedledear, Tweedledum, Radiator Racers, or Expedition Everest.

[1:02:55] Carly Jibson: Ooh, radiator racers. It's so cool.

[1:02:57] Carly Jibson: And also, what?

[1:03:01] Carly Jibson: I hate you. This is what real thing that happened is a real thing that happened. It was really traumatic.

[1:03:07] Carly Jibson: Um, radiator racers. I think it's so cool. Uh the Expedition Everest one, uh, is fun, but I'm not a big per fan of a pull hill.

[1:03:18] David Alpert: Okay, yeah, yeah.

[1:03:19] Carly Jibson: I don't I hate that. So what if I put what if I say Radiator Racers or Indiana Jones? Where would you go there?

[1:03:25] David Alpert: That one's hard to go.

[1:03:28] Carly Jibson: It's the coolest ride.

[1:03:30] David Alpert: It is my mom's favorite as well. It's you know what I just realized, Carl. Probably around the same time, I brought a porcelain figure of Snow White to kindergarten, and I was it those are like cardboard um bricks. They were like, you know, three-dimensional bricks, and I put snow white on it and it tipped, and my snow white thing shattered. And my kindergarten teacher was like, Well, you shouldn't have been playing with it. And I clearly have never forgotten that. But it is traumatic as a kid when your Disney figurines get destroyed.

[1:03:59] Carly Jibson: Is that the day that you were like, I'm a homosexual because you cry about your I brought Snow White, right? I brought Snow White to kindergarten.

[1:04:07] David Alpert: You're like, you're like, when I was in kindergarten, I brought my Snow White figurine to kindergarten. I was like glass figurine. Is this also the day?

[1:04:15] Carly Jibson: Oh, bless. That is really upsetting though. And she's like, But like we saw Prince, yeah, you saw hey, but you saw Prince Eric get, you know, burned alive. I saw Snow White shatter. It's those are hard things to recover from. I don't know that I have recovered. I do think that it's worth both of us bringing that up in therapy this week.

[1:04:32] David Alpert: We should just as a you know, a precaution.

[1:04:35] Carly Jibson: Yeah.

[1:04:36] David Alpert: Where we can keep talking about it here. What are they gonna do?

[1:04:40] Carly Jibson: Okay, okay, final tweetle to your tweetledum. You can't stop the beat or without love.

[1:04:45] Carly Jibson: Without love, because you can't stop the beat. You have a full heart stroke. Like that every time. Uh without love was, I think, one of my favorite numbers to do in the entire show. It's the one of the coolest songs, it's the most fun to do. The stage is the coolest with the light bright wall behind you. Like it just was my and it was some of my favorite dancing. Some of my favorite choreography.

[1:05:13] David Alpert: If you could bring any Disney character to the stage, which one would you choose?

[1:05:18] Carly Jibson: To the stage? I wanna, yeah, I wanna like, I think we should do a whole Tink story. I just think that she's had such a B storyline for so long. And like, let's find out about her family and where she's from, and like just get into the full scope of that and like this unrequited love she's had for Peter, and like how Wendy keeps getting in the way of that. And yeah, like I think I think I would bring Tink's story, but I would do it like David Fincher style, where it would be like, it would be dark and it would be like not a musical, it would be like a play, and like we would really get into it, and like yeah, I feel like I would be into that.

[1:05:54] David Alpert: I love it. I would watch it.

[1:05:55] Carly Jibson: Right. And finally, Carly, what's the first thing you're going to do the next time you go to a Disney park?

[1:06:02] Carly Jibson: Oh, the first thing I'm gonna do, I'm gonna sign up for the Star Wars ride because I missed it last time because we went to Disney, California the first part of the morning, and you have to be in the park or whatever. So I missed the rise, the rise of the resistance. Rise of the resistance. I missed it and didn't get to do it. And I hear it's awesome. So that's the first thing I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get in, I'm gonna get in the virtual queue, and then I'm gonna go go to Rice Krispies Treats.

[1:06:28] David Alpert: That's right. I want to be there for that.

[1:06:30] Carly Jibson: But Carly, thank you so much for joining me. Sharing your love of Ariel, your nine-day trip to Walt Disney World, watching the Princess parade, the Rice Krispies Treats and Tinkerbell. I can't wait to go to Disneyland with you one day.

[1:06:41] David Alpert: It's gonna be so much fun.

[1:06:44] Carly Jibson: So thank you.

[1:06:44] David Alpert: Yeah, let's do it. Bring Jody Benson, please.

[1:06:47] Carly Jibson: Yes, Jody Benson, if you're listening to this. Come on. I love you so much. You're from Illinois, we're from Michigan. We can talk about being Midwestern.

[1:06:57] David Alpert: Yeah.

[1:06:57] Carly Jibson: We'll talk about anything you want to talk about.

[1:07:00] Carly Jibson: Carly will be wearing a full Ariel costume.

[1:07:02] Carly Jibson: I will you can watch me lay in my bathtub and fling my hair around. It'd be full circle.

[1:07:10] David Alpert: For you.

[1:07:11] Carly Jibson: I'll wear a bathing suit. Don't make it weird.

[1:07:14] David Alpert: Okay, great. Well, everyone and Jody Benson will see you at the parks.