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[0:00] Linedy Genao: Hello, hello everybody. My name is Linedy Genao and welcome to Entre Acts, your favorite podcast, where we talk to your favorite artists about transitional periods in our lives. Because you're never lost, you're always Entre Acts, in between acts. And I'm so excited to introduce this week's guest. I have to tell you a little story. The first time that I met her was circa I think 2013. I went to see an off-Broadway musical called The Last Five Years. I didn't know anything about it. And when I tell you that I was sobbing in my seat, and I was inconsolable at the end, because if you know, you know the story of The Last Five Years is heartbreaking. I went to the stage door, fangirled, got a photo that I'm digging through my phone trying to find but also I hope I never find it because I'm sure I look a mess and got an autograph and told her how much her performance meant to me and inspired me.

And so I'm so grateful that over a decade later, I'm sitting here on my couch talking to her. So recently starred as the titular role of Joy in the hit off-Broadway musical Joy, finished her tenure at Ann Juliet as Anne Hathaway and got a nomination for the 2023 Tony's as Best Featured Actress in a musical, and currently starring as Madeline Ashton in Death Becomes Her. Everybody, me gente, please welcome Betsy.

[1:33] Betsy Wolfe: Whoa, you know my resume better than I do. I missed a few things. Hold on. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. I need to say, oh my gosh, Jenna in Waitress. I saw you as Jenna in Waitress. I'm still not over the fact that you were at The Last Five Years. Were you like six years old? No, I can't even fathom this. No. Do you want to know another crazy thing about that production?

[1:47] Linedy Genao: Sure.

[1:52] Betsy Wolfe: Do you remember? I mean, you couldn't see behind you, but there was a scene where you're both driving and there's a video of a tunnel. You're driving through a tunnel.

[1:57] Linedy Genao: I do. I can do better than that.

[2:02] Betsy Wolfe: Yes. Do you know that that tunnel I got? Oh my God, I'm getting chills. That tunnel is specifically in Woodbridge, Connecticut, off of exit 59 into 60. My exit was exit 60 in Hamden, Connecticut.

[2:15] Linedy Genao: I saw that.

[2:19] Betsy Wolfe: You knew right away. I knew right away. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm meant to be here. What are the odds that this is the tunnel I drive through every day to go home? That was featured in the show. That was the first time that I met you. I loved that number. I knew something was playing behind me. I knew it was obviously Rhodes, but I did not know the specificity of where that was. I'm sure that's obviously where, I mean, Jason grew up in Connecticut.

[2:40] Linedy Genao: I didn't know that.

[2:44] Betsy Wolfe: I'm assuming that now that I'm putting this together, of course there was a reason why this was the tunnel. I love this memory. What a special show. That was such a turning point. I loved being a part of that. Now I'm just living for getting to see Rachel Zegler do it as well right now. I was watching videos this morning of her singing at Bootlegs, of course, but she's incredible. It's crazy to know that that show has influenced so many people.

[3:09] Linedy Genao: Oh my gosh. It influenced me. I'm honored and grateful to even know you now as a friend and colleague. Thank you so much for being here today.

[3:18] Betsy Wolfe: I'm so happy to be here to help you launch this thing. This is really, really, really cool.

[3:23] Linedy Genao: Thank you so much. As you know, Entre AXE. Entre means in between in Spanish, right? Just like an on track, right? Music played between acts right before act two. I was inspired to start this podcast because we as artists and human beings go through transitional periods in our lives every single day sometimes. That messy middle or when life calls intermission and forgets to tell you what's next, are vulnerable and uncomfortable. Sometimes I feel like there's shame behind it. I felt that specifically-

[3:57] Betsy Wolfe: There's mystery. There's shame, but it's a lot of mystery.

[4:01] Linedy Genao: I felt that for myself with Bad Cinderella, and I wanted to create a space where we could obviously have fun, but also talk about that and feel empowered by that. Before we get things started, I want to play a little icebreaker game. I like to format all of my episodes like a little sandwichito, a little sandwich. Some fun, then the heart and the messy middle in the middle, and then some fun again at the end. We're going to start with a game of dominoes. Not really dominoes because I don't really know how to play dominoes. I know I'm Latina, and that's big in our culture. I know, but we're playing it the entre-acts way, okay?

[4:35] Betsy Wolfe: This is amazing. I'm surprised during Aunt Juliet, no one asked me to play a game of dominoes in any of my interviews because I sing domino. This is crazy. Let's do this.

[4:44] Linedy Genao: Aunt Juliet, please.

[4:45] Betsy Wolfe: I gave dominoes out as opening night gifts. I gave, yeah. Anyways, moving on.

[4:49] Linedy Genao: Oh my God. Okay. This is meant to be-

[4:50] Betsy Wolfe: I'm getting so off topic.

[4:51] Linedy Genao: No, no, no.

[4:52] Betsy Wolfe: I'm so off topic right now.

[4:53] Linedy Genao: This is so meant to be. Okay, so you're going to pick a domino, and the number is going to pertain to an icebreaker question. Are you ready?

[4:59] Betsy Wolfe: I'm so ready.

[5:00] Linedy Genao: Okay, here we go.

[5:01] Betsy Wolfe: Two.

[5:02] Linedy Genao: Number two. Okay. If you could travel through time, what era would you visit?

[5:08] Betsy Wolfe: Does it have to be an era that I lived in or no?

[5:11] Linedy Genao: No.

[5:12] Betsy Wolfe: Okay. Early 1900s.

[5:13] Linedy Genao: Ooh, okay.

[5:14] Betsy Wolfe: I just want to see what it's like. I'm not saying I'm going to stay, but I would like to see what it's like.

[5:20] Linedy Genao: Same. Okay, next.

[5:22] Betsy Wolfe: Oh, next one. I was like, what's next? Wait, literally nothing.

[5:26] Linedy Genao: Okay. Well, this is going to be random. Okay.

[5:28] Betsy Wolfe: You pick.

[5:29] Linedy Genao: Okay. Is a 90-minute show with no intermission a blessing for an actor or a crime against the audience's bladder?

[5:35] Betsy Wolfe: Ooh, I think it's a blessing. I honestly-

[5:39] Linedy Genao: It is. I'm sorry. I love you.

[5:40] Betsy Wolfe: Maybe happy ending. Hello? That is the most brilliant example of a 90-minute show. Truly.

[5:45] Linedy Genao: And then also, think about it. Ever since COVID, I feel like people don't want to be out as late, don't want to go out. So I have to be honest with you. The idea of a 90-minute show for everybody, and then you get home, you go to bed. I don't know. It sounds amazing to me.

[5:57] Betsy Wolfe: Well, yeah. And when I saw maybe happy ending, I had no idea it was a 90-minute. So when it was over, I was like, obviously, I was sobbing, but I was like, it's over?

[6:05] Linedy Genao: Yes.

[6:06] Betsy Wolfe: And then you ran to the bathroom. But yes.

[6:07] Linedy Genao: Yes. Yes. Okay, next.

[6:08] Betsy Wolfe: Okay, let's see.

[6:09] Linedy Genao: Let's see.

[6:10] Betsy Wolfe: Six.

[6:11] Linedy Genao: High comedy or high drama?

[6:12] Betsy Wolfe: High comedy.

[6:13] Linedy Genao: Yes. I knew you were going to say that.

[6:14] Betsy Wolfe: High comedy. I mean, I love both, but it's been like, first of all, what I'm going to do in Death Becomes Her and what I sort of got to do, what I did get to do in Ann Juliet, it actually was the perfect blend of both. But I'm just a comedian at heart. I grew up watching Carol Burnett reruns. That's like, that is like my thing. So the fact that I get to, you know, be on stage and, you know, anyways, that's like my thing.

[6:25] Linedy Genao: I love that. Okay, one more.

[6:26] Betsy Wolfe: Okay, let's see.

[6:27] Linedy Genao: Nine.

[6:28] Betsy Wolfe: Nine. Okay.

[6:29] Linedy Genao: I had to count that.

[6:30] Betsy Wolfe: Me too. I didn't have enough time.

[6:31] Linedy Genao: I don't know.

[6:32] Betsy Wolfe: I don't know.

[6:33] Linedy Genao: I don't know.

[6:34] Betsy Wolfe: I don't know.

[7:12] Linedy Genao: Okay, steak, medium rare with like the most amazing chimichurri sauce. Okay?

[7:17] Betsy Wolfe: You got me at steak.

[7:18] Linedy Genao: And then a side of fries because it's one plate. We're just going to go with the whole plate.

[7:23] Betsy Wolfe: Yes.

[7:24] Linedy Genao: All right, fair.

[7:26] Betsy Wolfe: I love that. What a great game of dominoes, everybody. So now we got that part of the sandwichito out of the way. So again, this show is about, you know, transitional periods in our life. And I wanted to ask you, what does the in between mean to you and whatever way personal professional, what does that period in your life mean to you?

[7:36] Betsy Wolfe: Yeah, I'm so glad. First of all, I'm so glad we're diving into this because this is the reason why I said yes to this and you because I think it's such a brilliant concept. And what I know as a working professional and what you don't know when you're not working, and when you're kind of the before stage, right, like before you're actually doing this is that, as you mentioned, there can either be shame associated with it or it's just it's just it's a mystery to people like especially students, right, who don't understand that there is more off times than there are sometimes on times. And so you are so much more you're worth so much more than your last role. And it's so this this combination of you doing this podcast, and then how I, I started probably one of the most meaningful things in my life.

That's the intersection of it for me is it was in my between time. And I started something that now is one of the most meaningful things in my entire life. So I loved that we're examining like, what does that look like? So I definitely did not think that moving here, you know, after college that I was going to book something back to back to back to back to back. And, and I there's there is something you know, people always ask, Well, what's next? Right? When you finish a show like, well, what's next? What's next? So I think there is something implied that like, you're only valid until your next project is there. And it's one of the reasons why I wanted to work with students. It's one of the reasons why I wanted to share what life in the business actually looks like.

And just help people get comfortable with this idea that actually the in between is the really exciting place. That's where not only does life keep happening, because life never stops, even when you're in a show, but that that actually is like some of the most fulfilling times that you might have. And it, it's a it's a, it's a well, you know, you keep filling up the well of creativity and finding different ways to have joy in your life. And I don't know, it's, it's, it's hard to describe, like to students who are especially like, you know, 14 to like 18. This idea of like, trust me, you're gonna enjoy it sometimes when you're not working. But I believe that the more artists that talk about it, which is why I'm so glad you're giving a platform to this. The more we can start to, you know, show people that you are so much you are worth so much more than just the role that you're currently doing.

[10:21] Linedy Genao: Yeah, thank you. Thank you for sharing that. That's, and that's exactly what I felt. Because I, as artists, I mean, I'm speaking for myself, but I feel like a lot of people share the sentiment where we're defined by what we're doing, or like, that's our only people only know us because of this. And so when we're not that who are we, and that's kind of an identity crisis, I had to come to terms with because once you're not working, and people are like, what are you up to now? And it's like, just auditioning and just like enjoying life. That's kind of like, Oh, okay, well, nice to see you. And it's like, No, I'm enjoying my family time that I, you know, while we're working, we crave all this family time. But then when we have it, we're craving all this work. It's kind of like a crazy, very strange business.

[11:08] Betsy Wolfe: Yeah, it's really it's really hard to find that balance in between and part of it right is not on us. It's part people don't really know what to say and they want to celebrate our successes. And then

[11:17] Betsy Wolfe: Part of it also just, I think, is just really becoming comfortable with the fact that it's okay if I'm not in something right at this moment in time, you know? And only you can decide, only each artist can decide, you know, how their level of comfortability with that.

[11:33] Linedy Genao: Absolutely. And speaking of the way that you inspire the younger generations, Betsy has an incredible, incredible organization called Broadway Evolved that I was honored to...

[11:42] Gail DePriest: ...which you came to when you were on tour!

[11:45] Linedy Genao: Yes.

[11:46] Gail DePriest: Oh my god, that's...

[11:47] Linedy Genao: Yes.

[11:48] Gail DePriest: That's right. And then I did it again.

[11:49] Gail DePriest: Yes. And then I did it again, and that's when I met Samantha Pauly, who I'm now in The Great Gatsby with.

[11:50] Linedy Genao: Dear Evan Hansen.

[11:54] Linedy Genao: Literally, I know.

[11:55] Gail DePriest: Oh my gosh.

[11:55] Linedy Genao: Crazy, right?

[11:56] Gail DePriest: So talk to us about that. What inspired you to do this? And like you said, it was during and in between, so talk to us about that.

[12:03] Linedy Genao: Absolutely. Yeah, I had... It was over eight years ago.

[12:07] Gail DePriest: Wow.

[12:08] Linedy Genao: The best way that I can describe it without obviously bringing up details that I don't think matter necessarily is that I was going through a period in my life where I had finished Waitress. It was incredible. And then was going to be in another show. And then the business... I'm going to say this the most way that I think needs to be said. The business was doing a business thing. So I'd done everything that I needed to do, and the business just completely in so many different ways said, no, actually, you're not going to do this. I'd done everything that I needed to do for it. And I think that this happens a lot to artists, right? We show up in the way, we book the role, we do the thing, we're ready.

And then there's powers that are out of our control that say, no, you actually don't get to do this. And it was really fascinating to me to see how little agency I had in moments that you felt like, well, gosh, I've really done all the things that I could do. And so to me at that moment in time, I was really craving two things. I was craving my worth not being wrapped up in someone saying, here's the job that now makes you valid, much like what we were talking about, like what people ask us. And also, I was interested in seeing if I could have any small participation in younger students who might have a trajectory in the theater growing up and learning in an environment that encouraged support, that had integrity.

And so I call them, and many people call them, industry changemakers. That's kind of the phrase that we use. And so people that I knew would not only be on stage someday, but would maybe be company managers, would maybe be producers, would be directors, would be casting directors, stage managers, and people that appreciated theater, but also appreciated being good humans and knowing that art works better if we are actually a community and we treat each other with kindness and respect.

[14:22] Betsy Wolfe: Absolutely. And so for me, it was not feeling agency over my own career and then wanting to say, well, how could I make this situation better? And so for me, that was deciding to work with individuals 14 to 18 at pivotal points in their life, helping them decide what environment suits me and helping them understand that even though you can do all the things that you want to do, you can learn how to belt a high G all you want, but if you don't know about yourself and about the business, and if you don't garner nuggets of integrity, grit, and just other values and honor that I believe will carry you through this business, then, you know, it's not worth it. Like I really, really believe that I could make a difference in this way.

And eight years in, I am dumbfounded by the support, the testimonials from parents saying their kid is not the same after these four days, we've seen students, our OG, some of our OG students have literally, we're accepting Tony awards on a stage a couple of years ago, was in a play. Exactly. I know. And, and right now in a couple of weeks, I'm going to go see one of them starring in Book of Mormon. So it's, it's become another one's a casting director. Now it's become so much bigger than I ever thought. And at the heart of it is treating people with kindness and having integrity in what you do as well as loving the theater and being, so it, this podcast and, and your pivot point was, was actually, this is what I did. This was my, was my intermission. And now is one of the things I'm the most passionate about.

[16:04] Linedy Genao: Oh my gosh, I love that. It's so inspiring. I love that. And to have witnessed, you know, these students and, and how invested they are, how excited they are. And like you said, everything it's again, it's not about how great you sound, how beautiful, beautifully you dance or act it. There's so much more. And it's about kindness and knowing yourself. And I didn't start learning that until I started in the business at 24. If only I had started learning that about myself and getting to know myself at 14 and everything like that, who knows the sky's the limit. So you are changing lives as you, as you can see now, and it's so inspiring and so beautiful.

[16:46] Betsy Wolfe: I do like to think students are kinder to themselves after these four days. It's not about just kindness, you know, to other people or how to be better for others in the industry. But a lot of it is just showing yourself love and giving yourself the grace. And we have artists talk about, you know, what it's like the, in the, in between, you know, to these students who genuinely believe that when they get to New York, they're going to feel the same thing that they feel that one weekend that they have their spring show for those five shows. They think that that's like what Broadway is. And so it's just a really powerful place where students can come and get a very, very real life examination of what does this look like?

How can I best prepare? And so, um, yeah, I, I'm grateful you've come. I mean, the artists that have come and supported this program, it's insane. There's now a, um, we have a nonprofit component. We have a foundation now, which now helps provide students with scholarships. So many students come for free all over the world. So our talent pool has been able to grow because our funds have been able to grow. And, um, it's like, I swore I would never be a teacher. Both my parents were educators and I was like, I'm not going into teaching. And here I am years later. It's so just a part of me. And, um, so yeah, I'm very, I'm very, very proud of it.

[18:02] Linedy Genao: I love that. My dad is an educator too. So I feel that sentiment, but I've always known that I want to go into teaching at some point. I never kind of like, I did resent him because growing up, he was super strict with grades and things like that, but love you, papi. Like I understand. I understand. So I know you're also on top of a working actress, a mother. And so I'm raising, um, stepkids as well. And so in this industry, it's really hard to be a mother and a working professional. And, and honestly, in any industry, how do you navigate this, those two beasts?

[18:43] Betsy Wolfe: Yeah. I mean, I just think by the nature of our schedule, right. It presents its own sets of challenges. Um, and yet, as I say that out loud, I have thought often a lot about in this show, I see my kid when I, as I'm doing death becomes her, I'm, I'm an eight times a week. I have not missed a show knock on wood since January 16th, but I see my daughter more than I've ever seen her before. And part of it is because it is, I believe it's a real choice, right? How much, how much you can, how much you can give based on like whatever the role, but for me, motherhood is not like, well, let me see how, what the show is. And then let me see where my daughter fits in. I am not going to be good on stage.

I will not be a happy person in general if I don't have the quality time with my daughter that I want to have. So for me, it's about, I am, I am so much better at my job. If I have all, I call it like all my poppy time, you know what I mean? So I know that sound it's, it's kind of an interesting thing, but in many ways, a night schedule is, is actually a blessing in some ways, right? Because I get to pick her up every day from school. I can wake up with her every day. Now, does that mean I am exhausted? And does this mean like, when I get to the big song at 10 30 at night, I'm like, Oh boy, here we go. Of course it does some days. And then some days I'll just say like, okay, so my strategy is I really need to sleep in and catch up on all the sleep that I've missed.

And then I'll be fine for five, six days. But I love that. I have, I have a lot of flexibility with her. Like if she has a day off school, I can take her. And I know that if I had a nine to five job, nine to six job, oftentimes that doesn't work or it's like a rushed bedtime with the kids. So it does present challenges. And I will say this when I finished joy and breath for death becomes her, I got to have a completely different schedule with her. I got to do every single nighttime and I loved that as well. But she's at such a special age where she also knows, like she knows what I do. It's kind of become something that she really loves. She's like oddly obsessed with death becomes her now, which is a very funny subject material for a five and a half year old to be obsessed with.

She's almost six. But it's like, for me, it's less about how do you find the balance? And it's like, my balance is if I am prioritizing Poppy in the way that makes me happy, I actually am just far better at my job. Like I don't have to think about my job. I wouldn't want to be at my job and going, gosh, I really didn't get to spend that much time with her. That would just weigh on my heart, way too heavy. Like it would just be awful.

[21:17] Linedy Genao: I've never heard that take on it. And I love that. You're absolutely, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. We have to fill our cups that way, you know, fulfill our soul that way in order to be our best selves anywhere to be honest. And think there will be gifts, right? Like, I will say like, oh, I'd really like to go do this today. But you know what, all I can do is actually just sit and do nothing because I'm going to give all my energy over here. So like, there definitely are, you know, you have to be very conscious about like, knowing how much you can commit to outside of it. And I'm a lot more thoughtful, I'd say about my outside of, you know, commitments or just really like honest about time things.

I used to never suggest like other times for things. And even in this podcast, like I remember there was a couple of times to choose from. And I was like, you know what, I know I could do this time to this time because I'm going to pick up my daughter. And it's, it's amazing. Once you start to just say these are the priorities for me, different chips fall and fall into place. And so yeah, it makes me really, really happy.

[22:22] Linedy Genao: How old are you? My step kids are now 15 and 13.

[22:25] Betsy Wolfe: What? Oh my God. I've been in their lives since three and five. Raising teenagers, y'all. Oh my gosh. I can't even fathom it.

[22:34] Betsy Wolfe: loves me and thinks I'm the coolest thing around. I'm dreading the day that she's like, "Mom, get away from me." And then hopefully she'll come back to me when she's in her 20s and think I'm, you know, her best friend again. Yes, she will. I'm crossing fingers. Everyone always tells me, they're like, you have like six more years where she's gonna love you and then be prepared. And I'm always like, okay, I know I heard girls are rough. I read about how many siblings you have. I have one sister and you know what? I don't know if I went through—I'd have to really ask my mom if I went through like a "my mom's a loser" phase. I don't feel like I did. I really don't feel like I did. But I'm sure we all have rose-colored glasses of like who we were as kids.

Yeah. Oh my gosh. I used to when I was little. I mean, God help me. I don't know how I was when I was a teenager. But when I was younger, and I didn't get my way, I used to yell and say to my parents, "I don't love you." Oh boy. I did run away from home once. I walked around the block with a backpack. And then I came back. How old were you? I don't know, 13 maybe. And I was just like, "I'm running away. I don't want to live here anymore." And I have—I don't even know what I had in my backpack, like stickers. I don't know, a Lisa Frank binder. I don't even know. And then I like walked literally around the block one time and was like, "I'm hot. I miss my dog," and I went back home. What did your parents say?

Anything? No, I think they were smart and just were like, "We're like, she'll come back in 35 seconds. We're fine. Oh my God. She wants mac and cheese for dinner. She's fine. She'll be back." I don't know what they said. I have no idea. Oh my God. So yeah, I guess I have that to look forward to.

[24:14] Linedy Genao: So before we get into the ending family Cheeto part, I would love to ask you in one word, what does the next entry act in your life look like?

[24:20] Betsy Wolfe: Oh, this is so exciting. I don't know. Every time I finish a run, I always think like, I think that's the last one. I said it after & Juliet. I was like, "Oh my gosh, that was it. I don't think we could get any better than this. Like I'm sure I'm done. I'm sure I'm not gonna get hired again." And it's not like a woe is me or like some really weird delusional thing about my talent. I just always think like, that was amazing. What could top that? You know what I mean? Like I have nothing but gratitude. And then Joy came up, a project that I've been working on. And in the interim, I'll tell you what I was doing. And then after Joy, I really thought like, well, there's no way I'll do something again for a while.

And that was a big thing. You know, people are gonna need a break from Betsy Wolfe. And then like, never a week later, I get a call to do Death Becomes Her. And I was like, well, okay, fine. But I will tell you what I love to do in between that I don't really talk about. I am obsessed with interior design and Pinterest. And if I do, I know what I'm doing. No, but I have designed a couple places in spaces, your dressing room, and Julia and your house. That was so—I do love. I love—I worked with a designer for my New York apartment. And she also helped me on my dressing room. So I like to think I've learned a lot from her, you know, but really, but it's just something I enjoy doing. I've started to do it for some of my friends, some of their spaces, like one of my girlfriends, like we helped me with my bedroom and my kids' room.

And I was like, yes. So like, you know, I get out my little Pinterest boards, and I do it. And it's just something that I don't know, it just brings joy to me. I started—this is gonna sound so crazy—I in my break from Joy this summer afterwards, I started like pickling like cucumbers to make like pickles. It's so silly. No, I mean, sourdough and like, yeah, my own milk. Yeah, I really just—I—it's like, honestly, it's a lot of the simple things, spending time with my family, my mom and my dad, and going to the lake with my daughter. It's just—I kayak. I love to kayak. It's one of my favorite things to do. And so I just, I really feel—I feel confident in that I'll always have work I want it. But I won't always have the spare time when I want it.

So I just really enjoy the periods in a way that I wish—I wish anyone who's feeling—anyone who's feeling like they're not worth anything until they have their next job. I just wish—I so wish that you will. I'm going to like sprinkle like whatever dust there is to like say, like, I just really hope that you can just embrace that time and realize that time is so fleeting and so precious. And maybe because of that, I'm a little bit older now that I really, you know, we are not guaranteed anything in this life. And we're not guaranteed tomorrow. And so do the things that kind of excite you as silly as they are. Absolutely.

[27:14] Linedy Genao: Oh, Betsy Wolfe, your next interior designer, everybody.

[27:18] Betsy Wolfe: My dream is to either have it—it's gonna be great. No, it's gonna be great. Or I want to be the next Guy Fieri. Food Network, please call me. I want to go review food and eat and have a personal trainer and nutritionist on the side to help me. But please, this sounds like a great job.

[27:33] Linedy Genao: We should really—we should just have a bunch of Broadway girlies go around and try food and get resorts to just say we'd love for you to stay here. People with power and just try all your amazing food. This sounds awesome. Please. Yeah, anybody with power and money. We don't even have to warm up to do that.

[27:51] Betsy Wolfe: No, not at all. No singing required. Bueno, so we've gotten to the end of our sandwich, and I want to end with another fun little game. So because we're trying to keep it, you know, PG-13 here. Instead of that game, bleep, marry, kill, you know?

[28:06] Linedy Genao: Oh, yes, yes, yes.

[28:12] Betsy Wolfe: Bed, wed, dead. Oh boy. Okay. Are you ready? Now? Okay. Okay. Bed, wed, dead. Jamie, Dr. Pomatter, Shakespeare.

[28:23] Linedy Genao: I have never played this game in this sense, and I love it.

[28:28] Betsy Wolfe: Okay. Bed. Okay. Bed, wed, dead. I am not gonna wed Jamie. So sorry, Jamie and Jamie. We're not gonna associate the people that played these roles with—I'm gonna associate the role with it. Correct. But I'm sorry, Adam Cantor, but like the things you did to me in The Last Five Years. Hello, read the script. Jamie is over. Jamie's gone. Okay, so dead will have to be Jamie. Dr. Pomatter. Wed or bed? I'm gonna say, let's go with bed. Okay. Let's go with bed because ultimately, Shakespeare has to be wed. Because of how much I believe, by the end, he understands what is right, what is wrong, and then makes a very valiant attempt to make it right.

[29:25] Linedy Genao: Absolutely. I love that. Isn't Dr. Pomatter married?

[29:30] Betsy Wolfe: He is. Yeah, someone knocked him out. Dun, dun, dun. Exactly. No, that was a lot of reasoning. I could have just made that a lot quicker. Okay. Okay. Okay, so this is about what Broadway stars actually want backstage. So bed, wed, dead: throat coat, tea, or like whatever kind of tea you like, a physical therapist, or a personal dresser.

[30:01] Linedy Genao: What do you mean personal dresser?

[30:06] Betsy Wolfe: Like, I don't know, just having maybe someone that dresses you like during the show? Or are you talking about like fashion stuff? Wait, I don't know. Sorry. What do you want?

[30:13] Linedy Genao: No, no, I wasn't clear.

[30:18] Betsy Wolfe: Well, most people—most we all have dressers. Yeah. So I'm trying to think like, bed, wed, dead? Well, okay, backstage. So what would you want backstage?

[30:28] Betsy Wolfe: Well, I have to have the dresser. Especially for Madeline. Other shows, not an issue. Maybe some of the shows wouldn't have been an issue, although I couldn't do my corset. But Madeline, no, I go through 20 costume changes. So if you asked me to do that every night, I would be like, uh-uh, no way. So yeah, so that is Mary—wait, no. Wed. And what were the two others? Throat coat, tea, vocal zone. I do love vocal zone right now. Vocal zone makes a good tea. And then a physical therapist. Oh, no, I want to wed my physical therapist.

[30:47] Linedy Genao: Yeah, be dead.

[30:52] Betsy Wolfe: Yeah, no, I just realized I can't go without physical therapy. Okay, wed, physical therapy, wed, personal dresser. Or bed, personal dresser.

[31:03] Betsy Wolfe: Bed. No, I'm making my new game. My game is called bed, wed, wed. Bed, wed, wed by Betsy Wolfe, everybody. Original, right here on Entre Acts. It's a new game. And both of those, we're going to wed. And yeah. And then the tea. I do love a good throat coat. I do love this. It's called vocal zone. And they used to make these little teeny tiny things that you could kind of keep at the base of your tooth. They kind of stick to your teeth and it just provides a good throat coat. And then they started making tea. You have to order it from London. I do love it. Vocal zone from London. I need to check that out.

[31:34] Linedy Genao: Yeah, it's like licorice and myrrh. And it has a very soothing throat coat.

[31:40] Betsy Wolfe: Yeah, I need that because especially in the winter. And you're talking on podcast. I've been struggling with the dryness in the winter. It's bad. And in the theater, you already know.

[31:44] Linedy Genao: Okay, last one. Bed, wed, dead: Sweeney Todd, Into the Woods, Company.

[32:00] Betsy Wolfe: Wed, Into the Woods. My favorite musical of all time. Same. Company, just because I don't know it as well, we'll say dead. And Sweeney Todd, dead. Why not? You know, I've never done Sweeney Todd. That is something that would be really fun someday. You know, I'm a Sondheim nut. I love Sondheim. So I don't know it as well, but like, I obviously it's just a real show. So someday, I'd love to sing.

[32:30] Linedy Genao: And another one to add to your comedic startup.

[32:36] Betsy Wolfe: Oh, such a good show. Oh my gosh, it is.

[32:40] Linedy Genao: Betsy, thank you so much for being here. We love you so much. You're incredible.

[32:45] Betsy Wolfe: Thanks for like encouraging conversation about this.

[32:51] Linedy Genao: Are you kidding me? I think it's awesome. I love you. Thank you. I love to end every episode with one more thing. Because life doesn't pause. It just moves. Entre Acts. Betsy Wolfe, everybody.

[33:00] Betsy Wolfe: Your accent is way better than mine. My mother would be ashamed of my Spanish accent right now. She's fluent.

[33:04] Linedy Genao: She is?

[33:05] Betsy Wolfe: Yeah, she is. She works with students and so she speaks fluent Spanish. Everybody, we're all learning so much about Betsy Wolfe, interior designer, mother, speaks Spanish. What else?

[33:17] Betsy Wolfe: Yes. Yes. I don't know. IGTV, Food Network, call us. Bye. Bye.

[33:22] Linedy Genao: Entre Acts is created, hosted, and executive produced by yours truly, Linedy Genao. Produced in partnership with Alan Seales and the Broadway Podcast Network. Carlos E. Hernandez of IJIGAY Management and Media serves as our lead executive producer. Original music by Johan Beltré and Pedro F. Fortunato. And special thanks to welcome to timesquare.com, the billboard where you can be a star for the day. Don't forget to subscribe and follow Entre Acts so you never miss an episode. Nos vemos!