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[0:18] Elliott Mattox: You're listening to Equity One, a podcast where two friends chat about life, theater, and everything in between.

[0:25] Caleb Dicke: I'm Caleb Dicke.

[0:26] Elliott Mattox: And I'm Elliott Mattox. Join us for your Equity One.

[0:31] Caleb Dicke: Hi, Kayla.

[0:32] Elliott Mattox: Hi, Elliott!

[0:33] Caleb Dicke: Cheers!

[0:34] Elliott Mattox: Oh, special guest, you can join in on the cheers.

[0:37] Rosé: I want to!

[0:38] Caleb Dicke: Cheers!

[0:40] Elliott Mattox: Ladies and gentlemen, we have with us today our good friend Ross MaHorkel, also known as Rosé.

[0:47] Rosé: What's up, guys? It's me, Rosé.

[0:50] Caleb Dicke: Hiya!

[0:52] Rosé: NYC drag sensation.

[0:55] Elliott Mattox: New sensation.

[0:56] Rosé: A new sensation, I guess.

[0:58] Elliott Mattox: If you'll say it, I'll take it.

[0:59] Rosé: Yeah, I'm saying. I'm saying it right here, and this is gonna be recorded for our enemy for life.

[1:05] Elliott Mattox: We're immortalizing it.

[1:06] Rosé: You're like grandchildren are gonna be listening to it, and they're gonna like...

[1:10] Elliott Mattox: They are listening. I have them already.

[1:11] Rosé: They're back at the apartment.

[1:13] Caleb Dicke: Aww.

[1:16] Rosé: Tell them to go to bed.

[1:19] Elliott Mattox: We're about to fuck shit up.

[1:23] Rosé: Alright.

[1:24] Caleb Dicke: Okay, that's wonderful.

[1:25] Rosé: Oh my god, game.

[1:26] Elliott Mattox: Too much, too much.

[1:27] Caleb Dicke: That was your week.

[1:29] Rosé: Um, can you believe that Halloween was on Tuesday?

[1:33] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[1:34] Rosé: I can't.

[1:35] Caleb Dicke: Yes and no.

[1:36] Rosé: It's already November. I can't believe that.

[1:39] Caleb Dicke: Last I have a mouthful of literally full.

[1:42] Rosé: And I can see her in their apartment next time.

[1:44] Caleb Dicke: Oh, let's close these flights.

[1:46] Rosé: The studio.

[1:47] Caleb Dicke: I want her to see us.

[1:48] Rosé: Oh, these rings.

[1:49] Caleb Dicke: This week we're filming in my apartment. My new apartment is love, you know.

[1:53] Rosé: It's so nice.

[1:55] Caleb Dicke: But I think we I have a ghost tonight or something, because all the contents of one of my shelves just fully fell off earlier.

[2:02] Rosé: Um, either that or Caleb slammed the bathroom door too hard.

[2:05] Caleb Dicke: It's probably a mix of both.

[2:07] Rosé: It was a ghost.

[2:08] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[2:09] Rosé: What's her name though?

[2:10] Caleb Dicke: Um, I Gia Gunn.

[2:12] Rosé: I just want her name to be Gun.

[2:13] Caleb Dicke: Her name was Gia.

[2:16] Rosé: How is she though?

[2:17] Caleb Dicke: And then she just knocks it off.

[2:18] Rosé: Yeah, she was very angry. She made the whole wall tumble down.

[2:22] Caleb Dicke: So okay, I'm so glad we can't see this woman anymore. Thank you, Gabriel.

[2:25] Rosé: I know for closing. Across from my apartment, there's like a woman that is like a full hoarder.

[2:31] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[2:31] Rosé: Gotcha lives across it.

[2:35] Caleb Dicke: So best of luck to her.

[2:38] Caleb Dicke: Um, Caleb, tell us about your week.

[2:40] Caleb Dicke: Um, I didn't have really like no plans, so I laid around a lot.

[2:44] Rosé: That's nice.

[2:45] Caleb Dicke: And I read. I'm trying to get because I'm trying to finish reading 17 books this year.

[2:49] Rosé: Whoa, 17?

[2:50] Caleb Dicke: I've done I don't think I've even ever read 17 books.

[2:53] Rosé: Well, I did 16 last year. I do every year I do like then the last two digits.

[2:57] Rosé: Bitch, when you're old, bitch, and your eyes start to go out, you're gonna be pissed off. You're gonna be reading like 56 books, and you oh my god, I'm gonna live.

[3:05] Caleb Dicke: It's gonna be like picture books, bitch. Like chill, you're gonna be back to children's store.

[3:08] Rosé: I love it. I'm like, well, I'm gonna check that one off on 98.

[3:13] Caleb Dicke: Just save all the like um graphic novels for when you're like older.

[3:17] Rosé: One week last year. Stella Luna here I come.

[3:21] Caleb Dicke: I love Stella.

[3:23] Rosé: Who's Ava?

[3:24] Caleb Dicke: She's my little sister.

[3:25] Rosé: Oh cute.

[3:26] Caleb Dicke: You're right, she does love Stella Lamana.

[3:31] Rosé: Well, she's not little anymore, but when she was a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a girl.

[3:34] Caleb Dicke: Like she reads, she reads that 17 times a year.

[3:37] Rosé: Work. Me too. That's the hungry hungry caterpillar, my other favorite book.

[3:42] Caleb Dicke: Love that book.

[3:43] Rosé: Oh god. I'm glad we're planning your 96th year old.

[3:46] Caleb Dicke: Your book roster is just emerging before us. It's fantastic.

[3:49] Rosé: Yeah, I mean, you have to plan these things.

[3:52] Caleb Dicke: I know. I'm a planner. I'm a planner. I plan things.

[3:55] Rosé: You do.

[3:56] Caleb Dicke: So that's what I did this week. I read.

[3:57] Rosé: Damn. Lucky you.

[3:59] Caleb Dicke: That's for yours. It seems like Halloween came, and well, now I can talk about it.

[4:05] Rosé: Well, no, what did you guys do for Halloween? What was Halloween?

[4:06] Caleb Dicke: Well, I wasn't at liberty to discuss my Halloween costume.

[4:11] Rosé: Oh, I saw it was fucking um go ahead.

[4:14] Caleb Dicke: And now I'm at liberty.

[4:15] Rosé: No, please shower me.

[4:16] Caleb Dicke: I will shower you, but I'm nervous to go near the bathroom.

[4:21] Rosé: Because the shells might come down again.

[4:23] Caleb Dicke: But um, yeah, it was incredible. I saw and I I freaking gagged, man. It was so you always have great um Halloween costumes, but this one was so personalized with so many of our lovely friends and colleagues across the world.

[4:28] Rosé: So many of our friends.

[4:36] Caleb Dicke: The board.

[4:37] Rosé: Yeah, it was the board, literally.

[4:39] Caleb Dicke: Literally the board.

[4:40] Rosé: Um yeah, it was really, really fun. It went over very well.

[4:43] Caleb Dicke: Well, that was it. You haven't said it.

[4:44] Rosé: Oh, I was the carousel marquee.

[4:47] Caleb Dicke: The goddamn mark with the with the names of the ensemble on the like recognizable and iconic, both of the marquee and your costume.

[4:56] Rosé: And you got a mention on what blog did you get a mention on?

[4:58] Caleb Dicke: The Ensemblist work from but then you got on another blog for hot costumes.

[5:02] Rosé: Oh yeah, I got her. Yeah, I was featured on Vestiburg.

[5:08] Caleb Dicke: No, I um some BuzzFeed article about like, oh no, New Now Next. Pretty much.

[5:15] Rosé: Yeah, they were like, here's like 15 fucking Halloween costumes that made us smile.

[5:19] Caleb Dicke: Oh, I saw that.

[5:20] Rosé: And I was right under Lady Gaga.

[5:22] Caleb Dicke: Okay, so you're stopping Gaga.

[5:24] Rosé: I was like, okay, I can't do anything about it. I was like, yes, gaze, you better like no one else gets the joke, but you better like be like the carousel marquee.

[5:31] Caleb Dicke: It's so good. I also just love that Colin Anderson's this was just like across your tits.

[5:35] Rosé: Yeah.

[5:36] Caleb Dicke: Because it's alphabetically the first name. And you better believe as soon as that went up, I went out there and took a video and cried when it was happening.

[5:42] Rosé: It's so cool.

[5:43] Caleb Dicke: That's awesome.

[5:44] Rosé: Yeah. I just can't believe they didn't put my name on there. Like, it's fucked up.

[5:47] Caleb Dicke: It is fucked up, and I was actually, I was gonna wait until the interview to get in there, but tell us what you're doing.

[5:53] Rosé: I wanted like they should you should be top billion. You are the carousel.

[5:56] Caleb Dicke: Well, I am playing the carousel, and it's I mean, well, because they went that weird route where it's like the carousel is just a giant bottle of wine and they wanted something realistic, so they wanted you know a woman to play and I Well, and you can't spell carousel without Rose.

[6:10] Rosé: That is literally um, it's literally true.

[6:20] Caleb Dicke: Cheers.

[6:20] Rosé: That was a really good one.

[6:21] Caleb Dicke: That was great.

[6:25] Rosé: Anyway, I'm over it. It was great costume. Good job.

[6:26] Caleb Dicke: Thank you.

[6:28] Rosé: No, and that was pretty. I mean, my week otherwise has just been like work. We've had a long work week this week.

[6:31] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[6:34] Rosé: Because we had a Halloween off, so I've just been doing the show and like hanging around in my haunted apartment.

[6:41] Caleb Dicke: Spooky.

[6:42] Rosé: It's a spooky apartment.

[6:44] Caleb Dicke: God, yeah. What were you for Halloween?

[6:46] Rosé: Um, I was a drag queen.

[6:49] Caleb Dicke: I'm gonna show you something.

[6:50] Rosé: I love Halloween. I love I love October because it's like the draggiest month of the year, and I've always loved October for that.

[6:58] Caleb Dicke: But actually being working as a drag queen.

[7:01] Rosé: You had an event.

[7:02] Caleb Dicke: Well, last week was the I mean it I was egg exhausted. Monday, like, so Halloween was Tuesday.

[7:08] Rosé: Monday, I just slept all day.

[7:09] Caleb Dicke: Wow.

[7:10] Rosé: It was powered over the weekend. It was crazy.

[7:12] Caleb Dicke: Well, you know, and it was great. Like, and it wasn't just like uh like hosting a party, like having a show. It was like my big projects, my big shows. We had Stephanie's Child, yeah, we had Lady Liberty.

[7:21] Rosé: Um, you know, like my usual Saturday out in Astoria was like a Halloween ball, which was so lit.

[7:28] Caleb Dicke: Fine.

[7:28] Rosé: Um yeah, it was really fun, but it was exhausting. It was cool. I mean, I I tried to come up with like at least different uh like I mean all of October I've tried to like do something kind of cross to me every time I went out and drawing.

[7:41] Caleb Dicke: Um so sometimes I was just you know like a lizard or a woman, but but other times like I did like sexy Velma from Scooby Doo, I did Sarah Jessica Parker, a la um Hocus Pocus, you know, stuff like that.

[7:53] Rosé: We had our Florence Delie made us made Stephanie's child those Heathers um, yeah, those looked great.

[7:57] Caleb Dicke: It was fair. So I wore that about 17 times over the two days.

[8:00] Rosé: Uh so that was great. But yeah. Halloween itself, I hosted a party at Pieces.

[8:05] Caleb Dicke: Um Down's Yeah, yeah.

[8:07] Rosé: And uh and it was it was really fun. It was cute. I actually dressed as Jennifer Aniston, so that was a really exciting costume.

[8:14] Caleb Dicke: That's amazing.

[8:15] Rosé: Like what what Jennifer Aniston?

[8:17] Caleb Dicke: Like Rachel Bob or So every Halloween actually before I became a drag queen, every Halloween I have like a just a Rossi tradition where I just put on a bunch of random makeup or glitter or something and like random, random, random clothes. And then I'm like, what am I? And then I just pick a title.

[8:33] Rosé: So I didn't like anything fucking like embracing. I had like crayon makeup all of my ways from hideous outfit.

[8:40] Caleb Dicke: Um I looked well, and the the uh the makeup ended up looking more like milk. And people kept being like, Are you milk? And I was like, bitch, no. A, I'm Rose, B, I'm fucking Jennifer Aniston. Isn't it obvious?

[8:50] Rosé: Last year, last year before I started doing drag, I um I put on a full uh Ombray glitter face with boy hair and a black sweatshirt that said witches, and I was Bill Cosby.

[9:02] Caleb Dicke: I love that.

[9:02] Rosé: And it's like you don't know what you are until you the look is done, you look in the mirror. You're like, what is the last thing I could be? And that's what it is.

[9:08] Caleb Dicke: So totally. Anyway, Halloween. Halloween was fun.

[9:10] Rosé: So good.

[9:12] Caleb Dicke: Gia.

[9:14] Rosé: That was you.

[9:15] Caleb Dicke: That was not that was funny.

[9:20] Elliott Mattox: Well, Ross, we go way back to college days.

[9:25] Rosé: Yeah.

[9:25] Elliott Mattox: Um, tell our listeners how you got started, what got you first interested in theater, and what brought you to the city.

[9:32] Rosé: Oh my god. Well because you're originally from Scotland, right?

[9:37] Rosé: Yeah, and I moved to to America to Houston when I was nine. And I have been singing since I was in Scotland, since I was a little kid, but then I started theater when I was like 12 or 13.

[9:51] Rosé: And yeah, I just, you know, I did the whole theater track. I went to college for it. That's how I met you, like working summer stock gigs.

[10:00] Elliott Mattox: We did, I don't know, a handful of shows, five or six or six, maybe like seven or two.

[10:04] Rosé: Well, yeah, we did like the summer in which time. We had like a flight.

[10:06] Elliott Mattox: That was like a blog.

[10:08] Rosé: We did, yeah, we did, we did Birdie.

[10:10] Elliott Mattox: Yes, we did one.

[10:11] Rosé: Oh my god. Are we not supposed to say things like that when you're possible?

[10:14] Elliott Mattox: No, we can.

[10:14] Rosé: No.

[10:16] Elliott Mattox: I'll be like paying rights for is it not open domain.

[10:19] Rosé: Oh, we were in Handel's Messiah. Excuse me.

[10:22] Elliott Mattox: Uh Gia.

[10:23] Rosé: That'll be that's it.

[10:24] Elliott Mattox: Like, we I mean we stayed in touch like over the years. We went to different schools, but we like ended up in like the same companies.

[10:31] Rosé: We were like, we have a lot of the same friends just because we went to bordering schools and well and I loved everyone you went to school with.

[10:38] Elliott Mattox: And I and obviously likewise.

[10:40] Rosé: Right.

[10:41] Elliott Mattox: So we would I think we would be people that made the made our trek, you know, our two and a half hour trek to Oklahoma City or here and there.

[10:49] Rosé: Yeah.

[10:50] Elliott Mattox: So yeah. So we went to you finished college there.

[10:55] Rosé: Yeah, I finished college and then I moved to New York almost my five year anniversary of living in New York is in February.

[11:01] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[11:02] Rosé: So yeah, I'm excited. I don't know why it's not like nothing's gonna happen.

[11:05] Elliott Mattox: But that's cool.

[11:06] Rosé: It's cool. It's like a little Yeah, like when I moved to like I I c I basically felt like I like m came to New York to leave because I luckily started getting work pretty quick, but it was not in New York.

[11:17] Elliott Mattox: Mm-hmm.

[11:18] Rosé: So I was like doing like regional stuff. I booked like a cruise and was a you know crazy ocean singer for like uh the better part of a year.

[11:27] Elliott Mattox: Did stuff like that and um yeah I came back.

[11:31] Rosé: Well I did so I finally I I like I was like I'm staying in New York. I'm gonna stay in New York but first let me do one more show.

[11:36] Elliott Mattox: And it was at Lyric in Oklahoma where you and I've done a show together and um it was Pageant which is a a drag show.

[11:44] Rosé: I mean basically I mean it's it's it's um it's men portraying women so it's not drag but it's men in fucking drag. So it's drag.

[11:50] Elliott Mattox: And that's when I learned like I got an intro to drag makeup. It was like my first time really professionally taking drag seriously.

[11:58] Rosé: Yeah not just like on Halloween or like something and it was luckily I was surrounded by some of my very close friends so the the experience was even more enjoyable than it already was but it was really enticing and it's funny 'cause you know it I tried doing theater again and again after and then I just kept losing interest, and I was like, oh man, I'm really getting pulled to drag.

[12:20] Elliott Mattox: And so this year I decided to make the the switch.

[12:23] Rosé: I guess it was a switch. So yeah, now I'm a drag queen.

[12:26] Elliott Mattox: Or the choice to pursue what was pulling what was pulling you.

[12:32] Rosé: Yeah, and it's great. I mean, like, I can't believe I waited this long.

[12:35] Elliott Mattox: I know I can because like the timing was perfect. And like I've been doing well, and it's because the timing was right. It's because I waited. Because I was ready. Because I mean, I will say confidently that I'm like I've done pretty well pretty quick.

[12:48] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[12:48] Rosé: But it's because I've been performing professionally for like 20 years.

[12:51] Elliott Mattox: Right.

[12:51] Rosé: You know, like I mean, I'm luckily I've been practicing makeup and that stuff is like always gonna get better. Like, but I you know, it it's fine. Um, I mean, like, whatever I I you know, theater has has really fueled me for this, and I'm so I'm like ready for it. So it's cool. Like it's the timing is is has been like awesome.

[13:12] Elliott Mattox: Well, and I I think it's I think it's interesting to talk about that because I think that a lot of times when when something is pulling us, or you know, we're we're itching for something, you know, maybe different than our normal creative routine or our lives or whatever, then the timing is just right.

[13:29] Rosé: And sometimes when you like, you know, you like remove the blockages and let yourself like pursue whatever it is, or like make that snap. Things happen, things fall into place quickly. So I want to actually go into detail about how you kind of like about the like Lady Liberty happening so fast and then immediately you like have like gigs, gigs, gigs, gigs, like line up. Um I mean, here's the thing like w this this came with a struggle, just nobody has seen the struggle. I mean, people have seen it. Like sure. I've known you for years. Like, I don't know, like, you know, I don't know if you've seen much of a struggle in me, but like there's an internal struggle as an artist who wants to be working, who wants to be producing um work that is meaningful to me and the audience, stuff that I care about, stuff that matters for the world.

It's not just like la di da that I felt like I was doing to me. A long, long time I was doing that, and I was like, this is not right, like something doesn't fit, like this isn't good. So yeah, like I mean, seriously, when when when I when I I was dating somebody who who was a be a wonderful makeup artist and kind of like a drag personality, but not a queen, more like a scene queen, like a club kid. And he like he was really helpful in dismantling my ideas that I had in had instilled in me, both by the exterior forces and my in with with me within. Just like, you know, like, well, you have to be this, and well, what about this? The like school is so essential for us, and like I'd credit I credit so much of my I I really really I I could not do what I do today and will be able to do and keep like I wouldn't have the attitude I have it wasn't for a competitive environment in which I was trying to play this role and this role, and you know, that's stuff that we all have done for years and continue to do.

Um, but like that for me actually like really contained my artist, and like this has been like like breaking down walls. This has been like my like successful, like um Hillary Clinton wins moment because the ceiling has the ceiling is shattered, and it's like I finally feel like my voice is being heard. Um and everybody else felt that when Lady Liberty happened. So I stepped out in June on stage in this competition, and it just kind of like it took off because I think it was you know, people like sense that it was like a true like coming of age thing, yeah. Um, and again, like you know, it's like there lots of drag queens are there's young queens who like don't have a lot of performance experience but like me be like having a microphone in my hand and addressing like a bunch of people who I don't know isn't is like nothing I'm I'm not used to.

Yeah it's like it's it's literally home. It is it feels it's the most comfortable thing for me. So like that's why I've I think I've been able to like you know get some gigs quicker than like it might be supposed that should or could but um but I'm still learning like oh my god there's still so much to learn and like I'm I mean when I when I moved to New York I I really I after college I wanted to move to London instead because I was I was like I don't want to move to New York everyone's moving there I don't want to be different fuck that and um for whatever reason and you know my dad actually said no you can't do that because we're gonna our green cards are almost up and when we apply for citizenship if you're living in London why would they give you citizenship if you're not actually actively living in the states that makes no sense.

So I was like fine I'll move to New York and thank God because while it's been like a weird like labyrinth to get to this year where I feel like I really fit in New York right now I'm like okay holy shit like I'm doing drag I'm I'm I'm like in school again. I'm in like drag school sure and it's I'm in drag view right now to drag and drag you and it's but it's but like you know I'm like New York is is is in the public eye even like legendary for like hosting many, many of the fucking best and most versatile queens. Yeah, the greatest thing. I think people people move here. Queens move here when they outgrow their own cities. Um, so like I'm so grateful that I get to be, you know, watch these legendary books I mean, like you look at um, like drag race doesn't define drag, but like you look at drag race, and like, I mean, we're like really racking up the New York winds.

Oh, yeah, in the past few years. And it's all kinds of different people too. Yeah, it's Bianca, Bob, and then of course Sasha won this year. And they're but they're all r they're all like super relatable. As New Yorkers, I feel like it's like, yeah, I know all of these girls. I do, yeah. Exactly. Even if you don't like, yeah, like like w there's the brands are like really represented with the different boroughs and stuff. So anyway, God, that was like a super long answer to the video.

[18:16] Caleb Dicke: No, I mean this is an audio medium, so it's like perfect if you talk.

[18:21] Rosé: I know it's great. Cool. Well, I love to talk. So yeah, but that's basically what happened. I mean, you know, I moved to beyond Broadway and then realized that it wasn't the dream wasn't enough for me, so I had to do something that which was more something for me. I don't know what the what it is for me, but it's it's this feels better. I think that's like a really great thing. I think a lot of people hearing that, I think a lot of people feel that way, and it takes a lot of courage to be like not even I mean, courage, yes, but it takes a lot of like self-awareness to be like, look, this thing that I thought I wanted is not what I wanted. Even if I spent all this l time in my life. But what did I want that made me you know what I mean?

Because it it is performing. You're you're at this, I mean, at this point, literally the drag is the only thing that utilizes every single one of my skills and passions. Totally. So like I'm so I look the best when I'm doing drag and I'm the happiest. So it's like, why the fuck wouldn't you do that? It makes perfect sense. And also you're like your own producer. You kinda like get to decide what you want to do every week. Everything, which is like but always been my favorite thing about you know performance art since I was a kid is just like coming up with the show and like I want to wear this and I want to sing this, you know, and you should do these dance moves. Like that, I like I you know, I I like that better than being part of someone else's picture, and that's just a personal preference that I've like learned and come to terms with.

I will say that like recently I've realized because like like coming, it felt like I was coming out of the closet again when I like became Rose. It felt like I was coming out, it felt like damn bitch, you're gonna get even goddamn gayer. Okay, okay, cool. But like, and again, it was the same feelings. I was like, I was like, okay, 11 years later, what will my mom think? Like, you know, it's like all the shit that like it just it was it was like reoccurring, and and of course, the exact same thing happened. The world was like, Finally, oh my god, you are waiting. Like, why wouldn't you do this earlier? We all knew, we all knew you wanted to be a woman, so it it's like you know, uh this is like that happened, and now um I'm you know, I I had to kind of say, Okay, Ross, like you're setting aside one dream to pursue another, and it kind of felt like a little bit of a failure, like accepting a failure, and I had to come to terms with that.

What's beautiful is now like a few months later, I'm realizing that like I'm actually only supplying the original dream because I actually do really still want to be on Broadway. Yeah, and I think that like the only way I can do what I want to do in like major theater productions around the world is to be a big name as a drag queen. Like to play, yeah. Or to play like to play like Frankenfurter on like uh the international. Right, but like original, or or do your own original things. Have people be inspired by which fucking Hercules is coming to Broadway and Hades should be a drag queen. Like you heard it. Stuff like that. Stuff like that. Like I'm so into that. Cause I mean, theater, theater is what fuels every single part of my drag.

Like everything. Yeah. You know, storytelling. Yeah, as Michelle Massage says. I mean, I think that I think I'm eating I'm eating the fuck out of your crush, Caleb. That's so good. I'm not sure. I'm watching my figures to clean that. I'm not sure. I'm cutting mine out of uh styrofoam and stuff. So it's fun. I love it. And we're just gonna go like talking about like cutting things. Like, what's your favorite like costumes? Like stuff that you come up with. Like, are you just like I'm gonna step a pillow and like this booty or like what? I'm literally a piece of trash, so I'm really I'm really into and inspired by fashion, but fashion is expensive. So for now, but that's the thing. Also, like like you can you can like literally take a pillowcase and make it look like fucking you know that is fashionable.

Um I don't know. I'm I'm I'm also so I okay. So like there's there's three well no, there's not three. To me, there's like three things that are like very drag. Um well two of them are it's it's basically padding and tucking. Um the third one for me is tits because tits is just really easy, whereas like padding is like a process and like what size you want to be in, like, we know like but like you should have tits. Fuck that. I like I love my legs, so like I actually really like to wear my boy legs, and I hate tucking, so I like to wear things that like circle skirts and like flowy things, or like I don't know, like something that's like bushely in front of like the the groin area so that I don't have to do it.

I only like if you see me the only time I will I'm you will know I'm not tucked unless I I'm like literally like dance belted unless unless I have unless I'm wearing like like tights or like uh like a leotard with like a pussy like you'll if you see a pussy that's when you know how to talk like if otherwise like it's not there. But recently like I've so like I like I I like I'm really bad at tucking I don't give a shit. I also like I like to move and sing and singing while your tooth is not comfortable for sure. But the recent thing I've been doing is I've been letting go of boob padding like I I've been like not wearing bra. I mean like lady boys like so many queens don't wear bra. Well I know I know but but it's but it's amazing like this whole like self-discovery and drag it keeps unfurling and I'm like I'm finding my drag yeah like now I'm kind of like getting into this style like I'm getting better at makeup and I'm like figuring out like what my looks are you know like what I'm comfortable with what I like what feels right like what what rules I want to bend.

But I Aja I watched a thing um Aja had said recently and she was like yeah I don't actually she was like she was like you may have noticed but I never wear a like tits she was like it makes me look thinner um as a woman and I was like oh shit like I get that like a girl with like little titties like like you know like a little ballerina girl and I was like wait it's like I would look like that yeah so like I was like I don't need to wear tits like the nothing about my drag says that I should have huge bazoongas like no it's like not that kind of a girl yeah so yeah I mean so my so um to wrap back around to your coins my the fashion that I like is um I guess it's in I don't know it's it's it's becoming really gender queer um but I usually am showing off my legs I usually like to have like a little skirt like a little femme moment but I mean I don't know like a school girl slut like a school girl slut yeah well I mean I think that makes sense like having like knowing you and seeing kind of your like drag like transformation like throughout the past year I guess like that makes sense because you know you were doing a lot of like club kid type things that like led into your drag and your first like drag looks were more I think it's all about the makeup on that.

[25:16] Caleb Dicke: You're really like an artist for your face.

[25:18] Rosé: I feel like that's remember your brows started like with a lot of like crisscross hatches. Which are we're cute no I still love that but I was well but I started drag like during when like the last drag season uh drag race season uh was was finishing and I was like fuck I was like I was I'm thinking about it now like I was doing like a Valentina stripe but in like a but in a sex away I was like it's Valentina stripes but like and I like I let go of that only because the the liner that I was using to paint them the the brush got all clumpy so that it wasn't looking cute anymore so it's like alright fuck that. So I just started ombreing my brows instead I would love to bring that back and I actually I was talking to Alexis Michelle and she was like well you know how I do that is like I want like actual paint brushes so like I well she is like the makeup artist oh she's beautiful yeah yeah she's absolutely gorgeous um but yeah her but her like little brow because I love little like a little like a fur I just like it to look real and also I have like Ross has humongous eyebrows.

[26:18] Caleb Dicke: So would you ever shave your eyebrows?

[26:20] Rosé: No, absolutely not. Absolutely.

[26:22] Caleb Dicke: I hope you never.

[26:23] Rosé: I can't I my my brow bone, my brow bone, like literally it protrudes so far forward that if I sh I would look like uncle Fester of personal.

[26:31] Rosé: But also, like I don't want to, like, I wanna like I'm I'm not a girl, you know?

[26:36] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[26:36] Rosé: And I'm not, I'm like, like, I'm also like you both know this, but if you have not met me and you're just listening, I'm the hairiest person on earth.

[26:44] Caleb Dicke: That was my other question. I was like, how often do you shave it? Because I know you were like the shame that you're like a bear-lear a little honor bearer or other like.

[26:51] Rosé: I I'm my my hairline connects to the hair on my big toes. Like it is all one. There's no way down. It's like there's but so I mean I've always dealt with like some sort of like hair shaping or whatever.

[27:04] Caleb Dicke: But sure.

[27:05] Rosé: But no, this is it's a lot. And my manager's like, like, would you consider doing like laser? Like, how serious are you about this? And I'm like, fuck no.

[27:12] Caleb Dicke: You're like, I'm just gonna do it.

[27:13] Rosé: Absolutely not. No, like, no, like there's something very personal about my body hair to me, and I love it. And also sometimes in drag, like I might feel like pulled to have like a little tuft of chest.

[27:26] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, if you like.

[27:28] Rosé: Yeah, or like what if there's like a major feminist movement where like all every woman in the world like does like grows up their armpit hair. I'm gonna want to do that too.

[27:35] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, so no, I don't want laser. Like it's actually it proves to me that like that drag is so worth it because I have to spend so much time and effort and money on hair removal. That's like a huge like thing for me.

[27:49] Caleb Dicke: Do you nair or what do you do?

[27:51] Rosé: Oh so oh my god, girl. Last time I naired I burnt myself, so I'm kind of scared to do that.

[27:55] Caleb Dicke: I'm a nair expert at this point, but here's the thing.

[27:58] Rosé: I so I nair, I only nair, first of all, I only like get rid of the hair that you're the of this on the skin that you're gonna see. So right now, my I have I I'm hairless down to my belly button, and then instead of a happy trail, I have a happy island.

[28:11] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, it's literally it's literally the ugliest thing you've ever seen in your life.

[28:15] Rosé: And I'm obsessed with it. Yeah, it's like it's so sick.

[28:19] Caleb Dicke: That's amazing.

[28:20] Rosé: It like looks like my pubes just go up to my belly button. It's so sick. It's like sick.

[28:25] Caleb Dicke: Um, but like my but my stomach and my chest, like this, like the front side of my body, that's what I like I use nair for that because shaving is it's my skin's too sensitive.

[28:35] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[28:35] Rosé: And I'm like, oh well, Nair is like it doesn't hurt or whatever. But then I was like in a hurry trying to like nair my chest a few days ago. And we have this runner rug outside of my bathroom in my apartment, and I like ding-donged the nair pump too violently, and it fucking like gizzed out a bunch of nair like out of the bathroom, like literally the door.

[28:55] Caleb Dicke: Why did I have the bathroom door open?

[28:56] Rosé: Because no one was home. It flew out of the bathroom and landed on the rug.

[29:00] Caleb Dicke: And I was like, so I was in a hurry to get somewhere, so I was like, okay, I need to clean this up. So I like ran, got paper towels, like was got like a little like tied to go pen, and it was already changing the color of the rug.

[29:12] Rosé: It was just like chemical like violently changing the color, like a chemical fucking reaction.

[29:18] Caleb Dicke: Exactly.

[29:18] Rosé: And I was like, this is the least vegan thing I've ever done. Is there like is there like a like an alternative?

[29:24] Caleb Dicke: Like a doesn't work for animal.

[29:25] Rosé: Well, that's the thing, but so here's the thing. It like calm like now the rug has gone back to normal. So I'm like, okay, yeah.

[29:31] Caleb Dicke: So I'm like, okay, what the fuck is that?

[29:33] Rosé: That's even weird! It's fucked up, and it has the opposite effect on skin. Like it doesn't, you don't feel anything, and then a few days later, you it's like it kind of hurts.

[29:40] Caleb Dicke: So the hair is trying to grow back.

[29:42] Rosé: I guess. I mean, but it's it's fine. Like my skin is always sensitive, so yeah.

[29:46] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, Nair, I don't know. My dad tells this great story.

[29:49] Rosé: They're not a sponsor, so you can say whatever you want.

[29:51] Caleb Dicke: Oh, yeah, okay, well, grew well. Well, my dad got a phasectomy, and and he and my mom were really confused when they when they were doing this a few years ago.

[29:58] Rosé: They also told this, they also told this story at dinner when we were all drinking, and my at the time boyfriend was home. It was Christmas.

[30:04] Caleb Dicke: Um, and it was it was and so they got drunk and decided to story.

[30:09] Rosé: Where basically they wait, I don't know why they went to Planned Parenthood, but they did.

[30:13] Caleb Dicke: Like a million years old.

[30:15] Rosé: Because it's an amazing because it's an amazing organization.

[30:18] Caleb Dicke: Well, no, and yeah, no, of course it is, and of course I support play for her, but like I don't know why my fucking mom and dad went there like for a name, like as if my dad was like trying to like plan B.

[30:30] Rosé: I was like, girl, like you are literally 77 years old.

[30:33] Caleb Dicke: He's not really, he's like, he's like 20, but but so my dad's grand kids.

[30:37] Rosé: But so it's they just he just knew that to have it done, he had to like remove his hair on his genitals.

[30:43] Caleb Dicke: And so for some reason, my mom and dad were like, let's try and so they they naired his nutsack, and he had like of course, you're not supposed to they didn't read the fucking direction.

[30:54] Rosé: Horrible reaction.

[30:54] Caleb Dicke: A horrible reaction, and then probably his balls were like as big as his head, and it's no thing.

[30:59] Rosé: And anyway, so what else do you want to know about my dad?

[31:02] Caleb Dicke: Confession.

[31:03] Rosé: Confession.

[31:05] Caleb Dicke: I may have done that same thing.

[31:07] Rosé: You naired your balls.

[31:08] Caleb Dicke: I wanted to see accident.

[31:10] Rosé: Like it's like I was like, this is doesn't go ball, like okay.

[31:13] Caleb Dicke: Like I won't, I'll do like a second and it burned.

[31:16] Rosé: Yeah, it burned.

[31:16] Caleb Dicke: I was like, get it off.

[31:18] Rosé: You're not supposed to get on sensitive, so like I have to, I like violently avoid my nipples when I put it on the colour.

[31:23] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, because they're sensitive and yeah, because I'm afraid I'm gonna swipe it off and my nipple's gonna come right off with me, bro.

[31:29] Rosé: I need these.

[31:31] Caleb Dicke: Oh my god, that is so funny.

[31:34] Rosé: I love how Caleb is like, so I hear that you naired it.

[31:38] Caleb Dicke: Did you bring Nair up?

[31:40] Rosé: Yes.

[31:40] Caleb Dicke: Oh my god.

[31:41] Rosé: Well, I naired for Lakage once, but this was also like in college I did once.

[31:45] Caleb Dicke: I don't know why.

[31:46] Rosé: In college, skin can take anything, bitch.

[31:48] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[31:48] Rosé: That's like.

[31:49] Caleb Dicke: What did you do when you were doing Lakage?

[31:52] Rosé: Well, I only went on for that day, so I just like, I think I'm just shaved or like a few.

[31:56] Caleb Dicke: But are you but are you how hairy are you?

[31:58] Rosé: No, I'm actually really hairy.

[31:59] Caleb Dicke: Like, this is a very good thing.

[31:59] Rosé: Oh, you are! I buzzed recently, but like no New York.

[32:02] Caleb Dicke: You're like, you're like me. You're like covered.

[32:04] Rosé: And you're like that too. We're all very hairy.

[32:05] Caleb Dicke: We're all very hairy here, just so you know.

[32:07] Rosé: Yeah, but I just trans.

[32:09] Caleb Dicke: I just I literally just got to a one.

[32:11] Rosé: And that's where it's.

[32:12] Caleb Dicke: That's what I do.

[32:12] Rosé: I actually for body hair, I just do I do no guard.

[32:16] Caleb Dicke: And I just go.

[32:16] Rosé: Oh, I don't do no guard, I do like the guarded a one.

[32:19] Caleb Dicke: See, I do no guard on my peanut I'm a peanut.

[32:22] Rosé: I do that like for like ever like a lot of places, but here it just like y'all, like that would be what this looks like.

[32:28] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[32:29] Rosé: And like, look, there's like I avoid the nipples.

[32:31] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, yeah.

[32:31] Rosé: But it's like, it's but you I have to like Nair just like gets it right the fuck off.

[32:35] Caleb Dicke: Well, especially if you're shaving all the time. My roommate today was like, my my friend is like owns like a sugar business.

[32:40] Rosé: And I was like, I was like, I am I am so fascinated by sugaring.

[32:45] Caleb Dicke: Well, I'm like, can I get a discount but what if we like what if we like did a part two podcast while we're getting sugared?

[32:51] Rosé: I'm just saying, like, it can be a little bit more than that.

[32:52] Caleb Dicke: Would they be into it because it's the person?

[32:55] Rosé: No, it would not need to be visual.

[32:57] Caleb Dicke: It would need to be it would need to be the opposite of visual.

[33:01] Rosé: I know there's horrible, it's my old shirt.

[33:03] Caleb Dicke: And I love it.

[33:05] Rosé: So I just wait, I just got the joke of the shirt, also.

[33:07] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, it's like okay, so Caleb is wearing, okay, so when I read The Magical Art of Tidying Up and I got rid of a bunch of stuff, Caleb, I of course let Caleb and my boyfriend have first dibs of any of my stuff.

[33:20] Rosé: I get so emotional when other people throw their things away.

[33:22] Caleb Dicke: I'm like, and especially teachers.

[33:24] Rosé: Like own like an anti-hoardering business.

[33:26] Caleb Dicke: I do.

[33:27] Rosé: Work.

[33:29] Caleb Dicke: It's very unfair.

[33:30] Rosé: Yeah, yeah.

[33:31] Caleb Dicke: We'll discuss the rates.

[33:32] Rosé: It's called Dicky Dusty.

[33:34] Caleb Dicke: I'll think he dust for you.

[33:35] Rosé: Um Dickie dusting.

[33:37] Caleb Dicke: Work.

[33:38] Rosé: Yeah.

[33:38] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[33:39] Rosé: But sure, plug in.

[33:41] Caleb Dicke: But yeah, so Caleb took a shirt of mine that um there's a great business called Kentucky for Kentucky, and they do all kinds of really cute Kentucky-based uh attire, and there's a shirt that says y'all, but it is in the same font and style as the Yale iconic sweatshirt.

[33:57] Rosé: But there's a hole in the right armpit.

[33:59] Caleb Dicke: Cheers.

[34:00] Rosé: Okay.

[34:02] Caleb Dicke: Guys, why are you talking so slow?

[34:04] Rosé: Bitch, you are well, remember, I already had three bottles of myself before I came over.

[34:09] Caleb Dicke: This is my second class.

[34:10] Rosé: Is it?

[34:11] Caleb Dicke: Yes, I didn't eat.

[34:12] Rosé: I my show schedule is weird, so like I can't eat.

[34:15] Caleb Dicke: Like, Elliot, you're looking so snatched.

[34:17] Rosé: Thank you.

[34:19] Caleb Dicke: Stop.

[34:19] Rosé: I haven't lost 20 pounds.

[34:21] Caleb Dicke: You've lost 20 pounds?

[34:22] Rosé: At least.

[34:23] Caleb Dicke: You're crazy.

[34:24] Rosé: No.

[34:25] Caleb Dicke: You look amazing.

[34:26] Rosé: Thank you.

[34:27] Caleb Dicke: You're wearing foundation.

[34:28] Rosé: No.

[34:29] Caleb Dicke: Bitch, do not lie to a dragon.

[34:31] Rosé: I'm not wearing foundation.

[34:33] Caleb Dicke: Like when a drag queen, whenever I can ask you a question, you do what?

[34:36] Rosé: Answer.

[34:37] Caleb Dicke: Bitch, what the fuck?

[34:38] Rosé: No, but if you you can probably clock the orange residue from my fucking umpalumpa eyebrows on my upper.

[34:45] Caleb Dicke: I can't.

[34:46] Rosé: It just your skin tone is so even.

[34:48] Caleb Dicke: I wish you guys could see this.

[34:51] Rosé: You guys don't know, but I look stunning.

[34:54] Caleb Dicke: Amazing.

[34:54] Rosé: I d I think.

[34:55] Caleb Dicke: It's fine.

[34:56] Rosé: I just did shows.

[34:57] Caleb Dicke: Like, I'm tired of sweaty.

[34:59] Rosé: Talking about eyebrows.

[35:00] Caleb Dicke: I love to just glue my eyebrows down just for fun.

[35:03] Rosé: Okay, but I shouldn't stop.

[35:05] Caleb Dicke: That's you're like literally kidding.

[35:07] Rosé: No, I just.

[35:07] Caleb Dicke: Nobody on earth has ever said that.

[35:09] Rosé: It's the worst, it's the baby.

[35:10] Caleb Dicke: I think Caleb is a dry queen.

[35:12] Rosé: I think Caleb is a drag queen.

[35:14] Caleb Dicke: Here's what I'm saying.

[35:14] Rosé: I think you're a drag queen bitch.

[35:15] Caleb Dicke: My drag queen persona is Dusty Rhodes.

[35:15] Rosé: Dusty Rhodes.

[35:19] Caleb Dicke: Dusty Rhodes.

[35:20] Rosé: She's just a country gal trying to make it big.

[35:22] Caleb Dicke: But I just like gluing my eyes.

[35:24] Rosé: I'm not very good at makeup.

[35:25] Caleb Dicke: I thought your drag name was Risdonna.

[35:27] Rosé: Rizdonna Farm.

[35:31] Caleb Dicke: That might be it.

[35:32] Rosé: Or Corona Cornana.

[35:33] Caleb Dicke: Cornana Cobb.

[35:34] Rosé: That's okay.

[35:35] Caleb Dicke: That's like fucking stupid.

[35:36] Rosé: I like Dusty Rhodes.

[35:37] Caleb Dicke: I like copyright.

[35:39] Rosé: Wait, I like Bogos are playing Tibs and I'm not.

[35:43] Caleb Dicke: I really like Cornana because I think it's.

[35:48] Rosé: Corona Cobb.

[35:50] Caleb Dicke: Speaking of Corona.

[35:51] Rosé: Corona Cobb.

[35:53] Caleb Dicke: What's your drag name?

[35:55] Rosé: Well, I think if I ever did Well, at first my my Umpa Limpa's name was Roompal.

[36:04] Caleb Dicke: Do y'all wait?

[36:07] Rosé: Do y'all have like names? Is it scripted?

[36:08] Caleb Dicke: I haven't seen the show, I'm so sorry.

[36:10] Rosé: Can I have a check ever for you?

[36:12] Caleb Dicke: Like it's a good one.

[36:12] Rosé: Okay, so I picked up the case.

[36:14] Caleb Dicke: So my bloom's name in Charlie is Elliot.

[36:18] Rosé: Because Christian like talks to me at a certain point.

[36:21] Caleb Dicke: Bitch, she has lines is what she's saying.

[36:25] Rosé: No, I don't have lines. He says nice work, Elliot, or something like that.

[36:28] Caleb Dicke: Okay, okay.

[36:29] Rosé: Um, but um off stage named is named Room Paul.

[36:35] Caleb Dicke: Room Paul is so funny.

[36:38] Rosé: But because it's Umba, but like Roomba.

[36:41] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, yeah.

[36:41] Rosé: But I think it if I were to ever do drag, I really don't think I can ever do drag because I think I'd be good at it.

[36:48] Caleb Dicke: I'm trying to figure out you could be it.

[36:50] Rosé: But I don't I so love it and like and like appreciate the work that goes into it.

[36:56] Caleb Dicke: Like it's not where I want to put like work in my life.

[36:59] Rosé: I don't think.

[36:59] Caleb Dicke: Like, but if I what do you what are you saying?

[37:02] Rosé: No, no, no, I'm saying I'm saying I respect it so much, and it's it is such hard work.

[37:08] Caleb Dicke: Like, Queens are such hardworking performers.

[37:11] Rosé: But bitch, we're not asking I'm not saying be a drag queen for the rest of your life, bitch.

[37:14] Caleb Dicke: You can get no, I mean I'm not gonna be.

[37:20] Rosé: What's your name gonna be is my question.

[37:22] Caleb Dicke: So I think if I if I ever did drag, I would my persona would be like like eight time Tony Award winner.

[37:29] Rosé: So I would be Ethel O Peters.

[37:33] Caleb Dicke: God told me.

[37:34] Rosé: Oh, we've talked about this before.

[37:35] Caleb Dicke: Ethelo Peters.

[37:36] Rosé: Ethel O Peters.

[37:37] Caleb Dicke: And what is her aesthetic?

[37:38] Rosé: What does she look like?

[37:39] Caleb Dicke: She well, she I think it's the curly, like it depends.

[37:43] Rosé: She wears wigs.

[37:44] Caleb Dicke: Ethilo Peters wears wigs.

[37:46] Rosé: Oh, like like she wears wigs?

[37:47] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[37:48] Rosé: Okay, cute. Love that.

[37:49] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[37:50] Rosé: Um, so like big dollar would change.

[37:52] Caleb Dicke: Well, it would depend because every time she's doing the show, she she's either in her like full press outfit or she's in a costume from a show and she's doing a number from that show.

[38:04] Rosé: But if I were getting into it, I wouldn't do it right, and I would want to have like original fucking songs that like were terrible musicals, so that I could have like my my 11 o'clock number from this fictional musical that she started.

[38:18] Caleb Dicke: You also would love my fucking.

[38:21] Rosé: I have a mix that's bad, it's called my bad Broadway mix, and you you of all people would fucking scream for it.

[38:26] Caleb Dicke: I just realized that dollar billed.

[38:28] Rosé: I have I have never seen Rose in person.

[38:30] Caleb Dicke: You are going to scream when you do.

[38:32] Rosé: I don't think I have either.

[38:33] Caleb Dicke: Literally, everybody who sees Rose who knows Ross for has known Ross for years goes.

[38:38] Rosé: It's like holy shit.

[38:40] Caleb Dicke: My old roommate, Greg came to a show one time and he was like, holy shit, he was like, it's just like it's like beat sitting on the couch with you in the living room.

[38:48] Rosé: It's but you're like holding a microphone and dressed like a woman.

[38:51] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[38:52] Rosé: But wait, no, I just that that was a segue because I thought about that mix that you would scream for because you said terrible bad original songs.

[39:00] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[39:01] Rosé: Wait, but I need to hear more about more about her.

[39:02] Caleb Dicke: So okay, wait, what's what's the what's the neckline?

[39:05] Rosé: What is the like is she showing you?

[39:07] Caleb Dicke: It's it's one of those things where it's like it's one of those things where it's like um like a puffy sleeve moment.

[39:12] Rosé: Yeah, like a princess poof, but like straight down and then a sweetheart.

[39:16] Caleb Dicke: Is it a reveal?

[39:17] Rosé: I feel like you'd be a reveal queen.

[39:18] Caleb Dicke: Oh yes.

[39:20] Rosé: Yeah.

[39:20] Caleb Dicke: Probably.

[39:21] Rosé: Or it's like a production.

[39:24] Caleb Dicke: I do love costumes.

[39:26] Rosé: My problem with her is that she would have to be a dancer, but like those those like personas are usually not dancers.

[39:32] Caleb Dicke: They usually just have the dance.

[39:33] Rosé: But if you were like a Cheetah Rivera moment though, like she's also like a star.

[39:36] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, I don't know.

[39:37] Rosé: I mean, I haven't really put much thought into it, other than like the main like her main like zuz.

[39:43] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[39:43] Rosé: The main juzge.

[39:44] Caleb Dicke: That's like her opening.

[39:45] Rosé: Well, you uh you want to dance the opening.

[39:47] Rosé: Jan Sport and I all like the number one word we text and speak at all times is zhuj. We're not sure how to spell it. How do you text it? We don't J-U-J-J. Well, that's it. But like I'm not sure what it means. I'm not sure how it's spelled. I just know that it means it can be used in any context in any facet, and it's my favorite word in the entire dictionary of any language. It's not English. Yeah, yeah. It's not like a bitch. That was the zhuz. Like, girl, I rode the subway today. It was my juzgirl. But what? Like, who knows? Like, that means I got mugged. Like, it couldn't mean anything.

[40:26] Rosé: Wait, we never talked about you in drag though. Because you should be in drag sometime. You have been. You've done, you've done, but you have been too. I saw Carl Hera. Well, and I was Alaska. Yeah, she works. Wait, that was amazing. I made that dress, bitch. I know you did. Yeah. It was made of trash bags. But yeah, thank you. I know, but it was it was. Listen, no, no, it's a lot of work went into it. I replicated a lot. What did we say about fucking like pillowcases? Like, that is drag. Yeah, that is fashion. Listen, it's like it's like It's avant God. Yes. Jeffree Starr would have said this is fashion.

[40:55] Rosé: There is a drag queen in the city, my friend Avant Garbage, who literally makes every single thing that goes on her. Her nails, she fucking nail glues soda pop tops on incredible. Her wigs she makes and out of mops there but like creates like a part, and it's like it's I mean that's amazing. Oh, she's and she wears all trash, and it's actually really cool. She and she she always glues a piece of toil a strand of toilet paper to the bottom of her shoe. It's like everywhere she goes, she has toilet paper on her shoe. That's yours. No, like that's like totally like yeah, turn trash into treasure.

[41:29] Caleb Dicke: I wanted to ask about your newfound community, because I think what draws a lot of people to theater is community and people and the relationships we cultivate, and I think that it must be the same in the drag community, and I'm just curious as to what you've found or not.

[41:49] Rosé: No, no, yes, no, I'm like I have shaking my head like Baby. It's like a well, hey, it's one of those. It was like that, it was that intense that I had to say no to say yes. So tell me, so tell me about that, especially as a queen that's like newer on the scene, like coming into prominence fairly quickly. Like, what has your reception been with other queens in the drag community?

[42:12] Rosé: Well, luckily, because I again like look, the hardest thing for new queens I'm seeing, I'm finding, is just a lack of experience as performers, which is something I do not relate to. So, like, you know, I trust myself to get on stage and do whatever the fuck I want to do, and I'm like, okay, like I know it's gonna be this and that, and this is backing it up, and I'm confident and it's fine. And the audience receives that and they like it, and that's how that works. So, like, people respond to that. So, luckily, you know, that's that works for me.

[42:52] Rosé: I feared one of the reasons that I feared coming out in drag, like like be like really wanting to commit to drag for so long, was that was viewing being a part of that like queer community in New York City and feeling like it was so vicious, feeling like queens are like, you know, like everyone's always throwing so much shade and everyone's you know, and it's so competitive and like well, everyone's really mean. And you know, it's not like that. I mean it is like that, but like you have to be a part of it, and if you have a good sense of humor, then it's nothing to it does not it doesn't phase me.

[43:26] Rosé: Um it's it's it's actually made me stronger because like when I have to speak up about something, like if something shady is happening, like you have to talk about it. Yeah. So like I'm I'm bolder because of that. So I'm like pleasantly surprised by how receptive other queens have been. Older, more experienced queens have been have almost all of the ones that I look up to, which is almost all of them, have like, you know, taken me in with open arms. They guess me in their shows, they're they're they're good with advice. If they feel like I'm stressed out, they're like, you know, um, then the ones who are kind of like in a similar, like on a similar level at that I am, like, I mean, I don't know.

[44:06] Rosé: I have my sisters, like I Jan Sport and Laguna Blue, like the girls that's gonna be. I mean, obviously the girls have Stephanie's child. Like, we are literally best friends, and it's it's fucking awesome because our shows are it's like we it's just it's a dream come true. Like we it's it's what we do is this there's a microphone there, and we literally just talk. It is it is it and banter and it's fun and it's and it's amazing, yeah. And it's it's it's you know, and then we break out in like three-part harmony, and it's it's like a scream.

[44:35] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, um, so that's cool, but something else like to do with community that's that I've found really amazing and important with drag is that having lived here for five years and being connected to the theater and Broadway communities, I am amazed at how at the very at the when the pin dropped for me to be like, okay, I'm doing this and I'm really passionate about this, and it makes sense to me and to everyone else. People have been running. It happened immediately. Like, how can I help? Can I do this? Can I do this? Can I make you a dress? Um, can I help you produce this single? Do you need me to make a mix for you? Like, hey, like I can style your hair for you. Hey, like, do you need me to choreograph? Hey, can I dance in your number?

[45:20] Rosé: Yeah, it's uh like hey, do you need backup singers? It's like literally, and when I started, one of the reasons why my numbers were so cool is because like all of my backup dancers were on broad. Like, and it was so fierce. But people scream because because like it's a g again, it's the timing is right, and for me, but also just in general, like, you know, people not only are people running to support me and it feels amazing, but also everyone's obsessed with drag these days.

[45:46] Rosé: Yes. Men and women thanks to the television show. Yeah, and it has drag race. And it has, and as theater performers, it has a huge, it has a huge, you know, influence on the theater community because we're so gay, but like also, but like, but women, like, I mean, I don't know, I there's been like even even just like topics of makeup with like my my my girlfriends who you know are good at makeup who are like you know actresses, like it that's what they relate to, and it's like I don't know, it's cool.

[46:14] Rosé: So yeah, like community has for me has expanded like exponentially. That's um and again, like as I said this earlier, but like I finally I finally really because of drag, I finally feel like I really I don't wanna say I'm a New Yorker because it's not been that long. What is it, 10 years you're supposed to say? Yeah, but like you're halfway there, but but but I but I feel like a New Yorker and I and I feel like I'm a part of this community. I also don't want to leave. Like I this like this is definitely home, and it's not because a job is keeping me here, it's not because of a boyfriend or something. It's like no, like I fucking I live here and work here every day and I love it.

[46:51] Rosé: So yeah, community has like changed dramatically because of drag. It's awesome.

[46:56] Caleb Dicke: That's amazing.

[46:56] Rosé: Yeah. Obviously, several times um I have brought up the popular television show RuPaul's Best Friend Race. And I um and I that was my kind of introduction to drag. But there is so much drag outside of RuPaul's drag race. I mean, there's you know, a hundred some drag queens that have been on that show. There are so so many more. I mean, that's the minority if you've been on that program. Tell me about the dynamic of that in the drag community. I'm sure everyone recognizes its importance, but what what are the different like views on it in the drag community?

[47:32] Rosé: And um why is it important to support performers in Queens that don't have RuPaul's drag race as an asterisk beside their name? Well, let me preface my answer by saying that as a fresh queen, I've only seen so much firsthand and experienced so much firsthand as a drag queen in the New York drag scene. But I feel confident saying that.

[48:04] Rosé: Well, first of all, um similarly, I like so season eight was when Bob won, right? Yes. So and Bob, and well, they talk RuPaul talked about this on the show. Like this, that was like, it was like, okay, like we knew this was gonna happen. This is this is the the the season, the time when this is the the the children who grew up watching this show, this inspired them to do drag. Like these are the queens who are our drag race babies.

[48:29] Rosé: I believe that we are entering, um, like what is it, two, three years later? Like, we're entering a a new generation of drag queens where it's become it's become so it's bes it's like we're so lucky, we're so lucky that um in a political climate that is like you know, terrible, it's so it's so um something like drag race gives us a place to I don't know, it's it's What's a place to be?

[49:02] Rosé: I mean it's a place to to to kind of live and like be out loud, you know. I mean, like RuPaul's winning Emmys in this climate. Like the credit has to be paid, like at all time um at all times to to the the queens who have been like doing drag forever. Yeah. Who might not ever be on RuPaul's drag race, whether they want to be or not. Sure. You know, because they are doing it, they've been doing it in the times when it wasn't cool. When it wasn't hot. Or easy. It's like right now, it's because because of RuPaul's drag race, it's cool to be a drag queen.

[49:34] Rosé: Yeah. And that's something that I relate to a lot, and it's something that I feel like secretly I might get some heat for. Like, I don't know about that, but I feel like that's something people could like, you know, nag on me about behind my back. And that's cool too. But like it's I mean, you know, for me, as we talked about earlier, it's it's been it's it has given me a platform to be myself. Discover yourself. I mean, it's in vogue. It really is.

[49:56] Rosé: No, it's um it's amazing, and we all deserve to feel that. Like we all we need to feel that. It's it's a life unfulfilled if we don't individually find that somehow, whatever it might be, you know, whatever it is. But um, like, so the the d I I some of the best queens in New York, um there are queens so like, you know, I as a young queen, I go out to shows just out of drag to just study.

[50:22] Caleb Dicke: Sure.

[50:22] Rosé: Um if I have a night off, like I'll usually like, you know, go to Midtown and go to some of my favorite drag shows just to sit there and study. Um and to just, you know, because it's school. And it's that some of these queens have no desire. They're the most talented people in the industry in New York, and they have no desire to be on that TV show.

[50:45] Rosé: And I used to not understand why. I used to be like, oh, they're afraid of success. I don't want to. But actually, you know, it th the the show the show has blown up to a point where it's actually it's it's creating something different than what like drag originally was intended to be.

[50:59] Rosé: Um now drag is expanding, life goes on, life changes, like we are evolving, everything's evolving. So we have to like you know take it as it comes and grow. But I you know, also it's it's it's good, it's it's good. It's it's um Kim Chi tweeted today that um if you can like name every single contestant on RuPaul's Drag Race, but you can't name ten local queens in your hometown.

[51:25] Rosé: You're a drag race fan, not a drag fan. And there's I mean, as you said, there's lots of amazing drag like happening all the place. Like you we have to remember where where when you watch Drag Race, you have to remember where the queens came from. It's interesting to know queens who um have been on the show, who have gotten on the show, who have b gone and done it in the community, who have come back and to s kind of see or where their life is now, and to when they come back and do a show, or like just to interact with them, it's crazy to it's like I worked backstage at nightgowns during dragcon weekend, and you know, um Which is Sasha Velour's Lynn's big show that she still like does, and it's amazing that she's still so yeah devoted to it because she is so fucking busy.

[52:06] Rosé: Yeah, and I think I think that's a huge testament to her platform as the reigning America's next drag superstar's drag race.

[52:15] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Spoiler.

[52:18] Rosé: My ears are plugged.

[52:19] Caleb Dicke: I don't I won't remember it.

[52:20] Rosé: I just won't remember. No, it's amazing. Brooklyn Drag is some of the fucking best fucking drag, and she's she's she has given it such a platform, like for for that shit to be seen. I mean, that like that shit is drag. Like the shit you see on drag race. I mean, like, even in Manhattan, like you know, shit can get fucking gray, but like you I mean, when you go to nightgowns, like the shit that you see, people are like like the acts are all so so different.

[52:45] Rosé: Like there's projections, there's fucking like I mean it's it's just it's it's it I don't know, it's really cool. Can I ask you something?

[52:52] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, what what do you love about Sasha?

[52:55] Rosé: Why do you relate to her? Why is she one of your favorites? I think she changed the trajectory of the television program.

[53:05] Rosé: Does that make sense? Like I feel like I feel like Sharon did the same thing. Um, like on the cusp of Raja, and I think that like maybe like on the cusp of like a Bob Alaska year that Sasha has really changed the way the program can go. You know what? Actually, I'm listening to you and I'm agreeing, and then I'm reviewing, and actually, like there's there are highlighters like Sasha and Sharon that are like so different, but really the trend in the winners is the fucking like best one.

[53:37] Caleb Dicke: Well, no.

[53:39] Rosé: Well, but but honestly, no no there's there there is no there's definite wiggle room there, there's definite wiggle room there, but there's but I mean like you think of people like Violet, like okay, a fashion scene queen, never happened. Um hasn't happened yet. Bob, a masculine uh comedian, performer comedian who is who is performance heavy and and I mean I'll I mean that's that's and just really charismatic.

[54:04] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, I mean relatable to Bianca, but Bianca also like styling stand-up comedian and do so and has like a million years of veterans, yeah, of of in of uh industry experience.

[54:16] Rosé: There's I mean, like like every year someone seems to win who is like different really different.

[54:21] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, yeah.

[54:22] Rosé: Yeah. I don't think there's ever been winners that have been the same.

[54:25] Caleb Dicke: That's why that show is so great.

[54:26] Rosé: Yeah. Because what other fucking platform in the world is there that does that for us.

[54:31] Caleb Dicke: None.

[54:32] Rosé: And it's the most important thing to be is unique. Anyway.

[54:35] Caleb Dicke: So yourself, yeah.

[54:38] Rosé: Yeah. Charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent. But to be yourself, you should be unique.

[54:42] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

[54:43] Rosé: Yeah. I mean clearly. But so you so that sh you you love her because she changed the trajectory, but like is there something about her aesthetic? Is there something about herment style? Like what do you love?

[54:52] Caleb Dicke: Yes, and I think I think that like I think that what she I think that what she offered to the show was an extremely intellectual side that was shown to us. I think a lot of the queens that have been really successful on the show have been have really are very intellectual with their drag, but part of their drag is not letting it show.

[55:14] Rosé: So like Alaska for example, I think is an extremely intellectual creature. She's the smartest.

[55:21] Caleb Dicke: But her drag character is like this like alien who like takes super flighty. Who takes this like super girl form. Right. You know? And so I think that Sasha was maybe the first queen that we've seen on it that said Yes I am an intellectual queen. I use this she is that is who she is as Sasha.

[55:44] Rosé: I my my drag character is intellectual it's deep there are layers there. There's it's always gonna be thought out fully and it's always gonna say something.

[55:54] Caleb Dicke: Well and that's so important because while she's not representing the woman physically necessarily drag represents women and it's and it's you know it's it's a form of female and it is it's it's really exciting to see a f smart female out there winning.

[56:10] Rosé: Yes.

[56:10] Caleb Dicke: And I no I'm serious. But no I'm serious too. And I think that and I'm it's like it's it's it's exactly the real world. It's great. And I think Rue Paul, you know, there's a reason that she there's a reason that she makes the final decision. There's a reason that she chooses who's the ambassador of her brand at the end of the day.

[56:27] Rosé: Because she's seen it all like yeah and she also is the curator of drag as culture knows it from forever.

[56:33] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. You know so like there are, you know, so she chooses kind of how the mainstream sees drag.

[56:41] Rosé: And I think in our political times and our cultural times, I think it was important to RuPaul to see someone represent her brand that is also socially conscious and not hiding it. You know, not being socially conscious on the under underground to where only blue can see it. Being socially conscious loud and proud.

[57:04] Caleb Dicke: Also like it's the same scene in New York as when Violet won kind of it's that it's the underground New York scene that not everybody knows about and it's it's highly um influenced by fashion.

[57:17] Rosé: Yes.

[57:18] Caleb Dicke: And it's more silent than loud. And um I think that while Violet was a great winner and a fantastic reigning queen.

[57:28] Rosé: Yes.

[57:28] Caleb Dicke: There wasn't much that happened when she was reigning and but also Violet's pretty young right?

[57:34] Rosé: Which she very young I did yeah. God bless her, yeah.

[57:38] Caleb Dicke: No no yeah and I know and Violet is fucking amazing. But it's but it almost like it it brings a bit more light to that uh aspect of track because you know that was I mean, well, season seven was a fucking snooze period, but like I mean I mean, you know, it was it's I don't know.

[57:56] Rosé: Sasha's like a really really emboldened, um, like solid human form of something in that vein of drag.

[58:04] Caleb Dicke: I think I think why I love Sasha so much is I think she's in a a very important winner. I think that a lot of the winners are very deserving, and I think a lot of them have like fully earned their wins.

[58:16] Rosé: But for me, in out like in the moment and time when it happened, Sasha was an important winner.

[58:24] Caleb Dicke: And I think she will continue to be important throughout her reign.

[58:29] Rosé: I agree. A lot of people were up and not up in arms, because most people love Sasha and they were. And people, but people thought Shay would win because she on paper did the best or Trinity.

[58:38] Caleb Dicke: Well, no, no, no.

[58:39] Rosé: Oh hell no. The one that I the one that I uh kept hearing and when and related to as well was was Peppermint.

[58:45] Caleb Dicke: Sure.

[58:45] Rosé: Um because it's important to have a trans voice. And that's why, is because it would be amazing. I mean I don't think she should have fallen.

[58:53] Caleb Dicke: Um listen, I I when it came down to the end, I was fucking team Sasha all the way.

[58:58] Rosé: Yeah, I but I love Sasha and I really am I like believed that she was gonna win.

[59:02] Caleb Dicke: I'm I I'm not surprised.

[59:03] Rosé: Me too, I believe so. But like, you know, I like like what I was saying is, you know, while it would have been a a wonderful political statement for the world for a trans woman to win it, um, it just might not be Peppermint, it just might not be yet because bitch, like Sasha did that, and also like there's I mean, Sasha again, Sasha is she's she's breaking other boundaries, and yeah, you know, yes, the trans voice must be heard, but you know what else has to be heard is the female voice.

[59:31] Caleb Dicke: And for some reason, Sasha is really a beacon for the female voice, in my opinion.

[59:36] Rosé: I mean, her drag is is entirely inspired by her mother. She's bald because her mom was bald. Like, you know, her masculinity in drag is actually inspired by a female.

[59:46] Caleb Dicke: So it's that's kind of cool. And like, I mean, I don't know.

[59:49] Rosé: She, I mean.

[59:49] Caleb Dicke: No, and I think, and I think that, and I think that that is um, I think that that on its like beneath its surface is a voice for the trans community. Because I feel like Sasha is a voice for I think she's trying to make a voice for people who don't have voices. I really think that that is part of it.

[1:00:07] Rosé: Oh, totally. That is part of it.

[1:00:08] Caleb Dicke: Well, there hasn't been somebody in the public I like her yet. So again, you said, like, you know, like she's it's the she broke the trajectory, and it's like, I mean, we I know love when that happens, but um anyway.

[1:00:21] Rosé: So we'll have to see. The next season, like what?

[1:00:24] Caleb Dicke: Season 10.

[1:00:24] Rosé: Yeah.

[1:00:25] Caleb Dicke: Well, the next season is All Stars 3.

[1:00:27] Rosé: Which one of the queens is Merch Madness is on?

[1:00:29] Caleb Dicke: This is Merch Madness.

[1:00:37] Rosé: So I have two uh pieces of drag merchandise in front of me. Um is from I think my favorite queen of all time, Alaska Thunderfuck 5000.

[1:00:49] Caleb Dicke: Um Dam, you even said 5,000 bitch. You know her well.

[1:00:52] Rosé: Honey, I know. So this is a shirt um from her merch line. This is uh it's a hot pink shirt with her character Lil Pound cake.

[1:01:02] Caleb Dicke: It's actually a really great shirt.

[1:01:04] Rosé: It's cute. It's amazing. It's a great, it's a great like.

[1:01:06] Caleb Dicke: Do you know who the artist is?

[1:01:07] Rosé: I don't actually. I mean, like, because it's a car it's uh it's a draw, it's an illustration.

[1:01:08] Caleb Dicke: It's an illustration.

[1:01:12] Rosé: It's her. It's it's so good. It's an illustration of Little Pound Cake, who she and Lanatia Sparks created on season five of RuPaul's Drag Race, which then Alaska became physically on All Stars 2, which she won.

[1:01:28] Caleb Dicke: Um and her look was I mean, it's great.

[1:01:31] Rosé: It's legendary.

[1:01:31] Caleb Dicke: It is iconic, like Alaska.

[1:01:34] Rosé: That was bold.

[1:01:36] Caleb Dicke: It really was.

[1:01:37] Rosé: And this shirt is bold.

[1:01:38] Caleb Dicke: It is hot pink.

[1:01:40] Rosé: Hot pink, and it has this giant illustration of this angry fucking drag queen on it.

[1:01:45] Caleb Dicke: It's like middle finger or two.

[1:01:47] Rosé: Just with blonde hair and blue eyeshadow and incredible. Rosy cheeks and a scowl, a hot pink scowl. Honey, and first place ribbons, because she won.

[1:01:55] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, that's okay.

[1:01:56] Rosé: Okay. Um, I love this shirt. I love Alaska. So like every time I wear the shirt, I feel very proud to wear it as a proud Alaska fan.

[1:02:04] Caleb Dicke: Queen of Snakes.

[1:02:06] Rosé: I'm I she's my queen. This next shirt that I have is from uh my second favorite queen of all time, and probably my I think actually my third favorite queen of all time. I won't tell you which is which.

[1:02:17] Caleb Dicke: But it's uh Tracy Mattel and Katya.

[1:02:22] Rosé: Come on! This is from their popular YouTube Search. Um, uh and has their looks from it on their thing in like yearbook picture form.

[1:02:36] Caleb Dicke: It's really amazing.

[1:02:36] Rosé: And what's cool is you can't, you can't, I mean it's black and white, but you actually from from even a foot away, you can't really tell what the fuck's going on in this show.

[1:02:45] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[1:02:45] Rosé: But like you can see like hot Katya's looks like black.

[1:02:48] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, like what is she wearing?

[1:02:49] Rosé: But also, like, okay, so the running joke is that um Trixie is like there is it, they're famous, but they didn't win, so they're not that famous.

[1:02:56] Caleb Dicke: And so they're like, they call her Tracy Martell on the show, but her name is Trixie Mattel.

[1:03:02] Rosé: So it's like people just getting her name wrong. Um and so all of these yearbook photos have have the incorrect names.

[1:03:09] Caleb Dicke: Oh, that's funny.

[1:03:10] Rosé: Like, yeah, like this one says Tasha Masterson. And there's a quote underneath it that says you lost a leg, get face framing layers.

[1:03:19] Caleb Dicke: It's just quote from quotes from from the show.

[1:03:23] Rosé: And also fake news and they just got they like booked a fucking like new show this yeah yeah their new show is premiering on November 15th on Vice Land.

[1:03:30] Caleb Dicke: Um damn yeah they they are like are going to be on televia.

[1:03:36] Rosé: Yeah that's the thing drag is transcending drag race in the mainstream yeah like Alaska was just on that fucking reality scared straight on or scared famous on um on VH1.

[1:03:47] Caleb Dicke: There's there's shade on fusion which is like featuring New York queens like that have not been on Reapulse Dragons.

[1:03:52] Rosé: But none of them have um there's I mean there's one we're just oh yeah the fucking uh Trixie and Kach's new show.

[1:03:58] Caleb Dicke: Like yeah like this shit like like drag is drag is hot.

[1:04:01] Rosé: It's hot.

[1:04:02] Caleb Dicke: It's really popular right now.

[1:04:03] Rosé: It's hot. It's really good. It's like Star Hot It's like when I put the hot water on when I washed my hands and I have to remember that it's so hot that I had to use the cold water too.

[1:04:14] Caleb Dicke: It's yeah.

[1:04:15] Rosé: Okay so um here's the thing I love both these shirts. I pulled these shirts last minute and I said oh my god this is gonna be a really tough merch man's yeah so I'm currently crowning um Elliot Maddox's uh merch race right now no what's your drag name oh Ethel O'Peters merch race Cornona you got any thoughts while while I'm uh while I love my uh I have to stay loyal to my queen.

[1:04:46] Caleb Dicke: Of course.

[1:04:47] Rosé: My Queen Alaska.

[1:04:49] Caleb Dicke: She wins this it's it's the better shirt.

[1:04:51] Rosé: It's the better shape.

[1:04:51] Caleb Dicke: It is well it's just color you can't discriminate I love the pink color I love the illustration.

[1:04:56] Rosé: It is so, it is so to me iconically Alaska.

[1:05:00] Caleb Dicke: And um I love, I love my Trixie and Katya shirt, but I will say it is less stretchy, so like sometimes like it doesn't make me feel as fierce as I wanted to, because sometimes it makes me like really not look as good as I want to.

[1:05:14] Rosé: Yeah.

[1:05:14] Caleb Dicke: Also, it's just it doesn't even I mean the subtlety is seems like a mad choice, just fears.

[1:05:19] Rosé: Yes.

[1:05:20] Caleb Dicke: But like it's fucking drag bitch, so like I'm into this motherfucking animation.

[1:05:24] Rosé: Yeah.

[1:05:25] Caleb Dicke: How many A's would you give it?

[1:05:26] Rosé: I give it a full uh five out of five A's.

[1:05:35] Caleb Dicke: That's this uh week's merch madness.

[1:05:37] Rosé: Caleb, since this is our gayest episode ever.

[1:05:41] Caleb Dicke: Or gay?

[1:05:42] Rosé: I think it's or gay.

[1:05:43] Caleb Dicke: By far.

[1:05:43] Rosé: I don't think we've ever heard about movie pass.

[1:05:48] Caleb Dicke: Yeah!

[1:05:49] Rosé: Caleb has movie pass, and um, so this week he saw a movie.

[1:05:54] Caleb Dicke: Guess how many movies I saw this week?

[1:05:55] Rosé: How many?

[1:05:56] Caleb Dicke: Three.

[1:05:57] Rosé: So, but this week I saw this is my move my movie moment of the week.

[1:06:00] Caleb Dicke: Caleb's movie moment.

[1:06:02] Rosé: Caleb's movie moment I actually do need a theme song.

[1:06:06] Caleb Dicke: Would you mind?

[1:06:07] Rosé: Yeah, right now it's we can do one.

[1:06:09] Caleb Dicke: Let's do it.

[1:06:09] Rosé: Let's do a Stephanie's child and make it in three parts.

[1:06:11] Caleb Dicke: I actually want you to do a lot of stuff.

[1:06:12] Rosé: So I'm not gonna do that.

[1:06:15] Caleb Dicke: I'll do the lower harmony.

[1:06:16] Rosé: I'll sing for you.

[1:06:17] Caleb Dicke: Caleb's Caleb's movie moment.

[1:06:18] Caleb Dicke: Okay, pick up pick up. What was your melody? Caleb's movie moment.

[1:06:24] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[1:06:24] Caleb Dicke: Caleb's movie moment. Cool, let's do it. I can't do harmony.

[1:06:30] Elliott Mattox: Save it. That's what we did. Stephanie's child is shaking. We're gonna rule record it. Right.

[1:06:40] Caleb Dicke: I saw Tom of Finland.

[1:06:42] Rosé: Are you? Do you know Tom of Finland at all?

[1:06:45] Caleb Dicke: The artist is artist?

[1:06:46] Rosé: I don't know Tommy. Tom of Finland is like a leather designer.

[1:06:50] Caleb Dicke: He designs, he designs like hats.

[1:06:52] Rosé: No, but no, he did he's the artist. He like originally did like these early.

[1:06:55] Caleb Dicke: A leather designer, like a sex leather.

[1:06:58] Rosé: He created like he created like the harness genre.

[1:07:03] Caleb Dicke: Created the harness genre.

[1:07:05] Rosé: Well, he didn't create the harness, but like he created the.

[1:07:06] Caleb Dicke: No, the sh I'm I'm I finished it because genre. It was like the 1940s, and he was like in Finland drawing these like leather daddies on like motorcycles and stuff like that, and like people were like, damn, I'm into this, and I don't even ride a motorcycle. Like he created like that whole like leather movement, he was behind it.

[1:07:28] Caleb Dicke: The movement. So you guys ever spent the quad?

[1:07:32] Rosé: No.

[1:07:32] Caleb Dicke: No. Well, it's Caleb has the flyer. The buttons.

[1:07:40] Rosé: I was so intrigued because it's actually really classy. This is a movie theater. It was in Chelsea.

[1:07:48] Caleb Dicke: It's on 13th Street. It's a really like cool, like artsy uh movie theater. They have a lot of new shows coming up.

[1:07:55] Rosé: So coming up in like it starts in like post-World War II. He's an artist, really like just finds it, like he finds himself, like like talking about like what you really truly love and who you are as an artist, and he finds he in like drawing men in erotica sign of in eroticus kind of way. It's not like porn, it's just like art of men. It's just like the beauty of it.

[1:08:18] Caleb Dicke: Like he draws them naked.

[1:08:19] Rosé: No, he draws them in like leather and just like. Have you all followed on Instagram?

[1:08:23] Caleb Dicke: I have not.

[1:08:23] Rosé: Why not? You should do it.

[1:08:24] Caleb Dicke: I've always wanted to.

[1:08:26] Rosé: I've done it. You should do it. Just like have you leather?

[1:08:29] Caleb Dicke: No, just like been drawn nude.

[1:08:31] Rosé: No. I've been to it. Y'all, it's fucking almost 2018. Get drawn naked. It will change your life.

[1:08:36] Caleb Dicke: I think it's kind of exhilarating.

[1:08:38] Rosé: I've thought about it. I think like loving your body and who you are. You also love like an interesting side gig, so like I'm surprised you haven't done it actually.

[1:08:44] Caleb Dicke: It's it's on my to-do list.

[1:08:46] Rosé: Do you I can hook you up? I know lots of guys.

[1:08:51] Caleb Dicke: Privately.

[1:08:51] Rosé: Great. So pretty much, but what I So it's a play at the quad, but what I really loved was thinking about the content of how like gay people being persecuted in back in the 1940s, 1950s, 60s, 70s, as like a mental problem. And this was a theater full of gay men who were just watching about our history. It's cool. Like That's fucking badass man. We should know our history.

[1:09:15] Caleb Dicke: We should know like.

[1:09:16] Rosé: We should. And you're good about that. I mean, part of your like reading crusades, you you like put aside a percentage about uh LGBTQ history. You do in your book selection?

[1:09:27] Caleb Dicke: In the book selection, like you forward me your book selection then?

[1:09:30] Rosé: Well, I mean, like last year he read The Velvet Rage, he reads.

[1:09:32] Caleb Dicke: Well, listen, I'm trying to read more, please. I'm not gonna read 17 books in a year. That sounds fucking grueling.

[1:09:38] Rosé: No, but if you send me like titles that are like really speak to you that are two titles, especially like queer history, I'm so down.

[1:09:44] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[1:09:45] Rosé: Totally, I'll do that. Yeah. It's something that you're really good about, actually. Like I love. We should know our history, we should know where we came from. We should be proud of where we came from and where we are today.

[1:09:54] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[1:09:54] Rosé: Hand in hand with drag, even just being as like gay, queer men. Well, because who started the riots at Stonewall? Trans individuals, drag queens, like those are the people that that really moved our history along.

[1:10:08] Caleb Dicke: Mm-hmm.

[1:10:09] Rosé: So we should know about them. If you have a free time, go see Tama Finland at the quad. You will love it. Half of it is in Finlish, so you do have to read some Finlish bitch You do have to read some subtitles, so if you are good at reading.

[1:10:23] Caleb Dicke: Cornona Finlish.

[1:10:26] Rosé: I don't know if it's the movie for you, but like some of it is in English. I love it. And it makes me it makes me want to go to uh the nearest harness store and buy a harness.

[1:10:35] Caleb Dicke: Do it wear it around.

[1:10:36] Rosé: Do you have a harness?

[1:10:37] Caleb Dicke: I do not have a harness.

[1:10:38] Rosé: Wear it. Caleb, you are like so fucking thirsty for like a harness and to be drawn butt naked. Like literally, come over. I'll have a drawer come. I have a harness you can wear.

[1:10:45] Caleb Dicke: And it can hit my face afterwards?

[1:10:49] Rosé: And then I'll make you into a tri-queen. Like we're gonna we're gonna do Caleb's gay dinner. Honey, that's gonna be a night. And I'm into it.

[1:10:58] Caleb Dicke: Caleb, how many uh how many blonde girls does it get out of five?

[1:11:02] Rosé: It's because it's really it's really like gay history, and I love a gay history. I think it's five blonde girls.

[1:11:06] Caleb Dicke: Five blonde girls out of five. You heard it here first.

[1:11:10] Rosé: Oh my god. And that's Caleb's review of Tom.

[1:11:12] Caleb Dicke: Tom of Finland.

[1:11:13] Rosé: Yeah. See you at the quad. So um we're gonna close out the podcast. Um, but Rosé Ross. I just wanna ask you one more question.

[1:11:23] Caleb Dicke: I mean, we consider ourselves a theater podcast.

[1:11:25] Rosé: Yeah.

[1:11:26] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, so what would you what would you say to someone who's listening to this as a theater fan who doesn't necessarily know anything about drag? What would you tell them that makes drag such an important part of theater?

[1:11:43] Rosé: You know, why why what it what correlates? What do you I mean you you can touch on things we talked about, but what would be like your closing points on like on why we had you here today? You know what I mean?

[1:11:54] Rosé: I'm not doing anything different than I've ever done. The only thing I changed was I stopped listening to other people and I'm now my own director and boss almost all the time.

[1:12:06] Caleb Dicke: So I think that's actually a great answer.

[1:12:09] Rosé: I think that's a great answer because I feel like so many like I think it can seem like such an other art form. But I'm listening I've I I was raised, I was raised like a little machine to be on a stage, and I that's exactly what I'm doing. It's what I wanted to do, and luckily it's what it's it fits for the rest of my life. It's not something that was forced upon me like in an ill fashion. It's what I wanted. I just was you know, I was pushed and pushed and pushed to be something. The product is a little different at this point, and that's totally totally okay.

[1:12:46] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[1:12:47] Rosé: Um it's but like I'm again, it's nothing it's there's nothing different. It's just I only play one character, and it's just me.

[1:13:00] Caleb Dicke: So that's amazing.

[1:13:02] Rosé: Yeah. I love it. Well, where can the people find you on social media? And also, where can our New York listeners go see you live in person? Live in living color.

[1:13:15] Rosé: Well, um on uh social media you can find me on Facebook. I'm Rose McCorkle, if you don't know how to spell it, me either. Good luck. Look at that, look it up. But on Instagram, uh Slay Rose Queen is my handle. Uh Slay and Queen are spelled in English. Rose is spelled phonetically because you cannot have uh the accent character Slay Rose in a handle. So it's R-O-S-A-Y. So Slay R-O-S-A-Y Queen.

[1:13:44] Caleb Dicke: And um you can find me these days, Tuesdays at Pieces. I host karaoke from about 11 p.m. into the night, and it's very fun.

[1:13:56] Elliott Mattox: What's your karaoke song? Like, what's your go-to?

[1:13:58] Rosé: I will like that's the thing. So, like, I sang like I'm a singing queen, but like karaoke is my Yes Ross sings down, just in case like any of you.

[1:14:06] Caleb Dicke: Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, hang on. No, you do, but like I'm saying that as like an audience.

[1:14:11] Rosé: Oh, thanks for being friends. But like Carrie, but to host karaoke is like a chance to not be a drag queen. It just you can so I go back to like my karaoke roots of like I like I like sing a lot of like Michael Boubley. I love I love like a good sweet transvestite here and there, seasonally or not. Um, you know, like the fun stuff that I would never ever get to sing in drag.

[1:14:35] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[1:14:35] Rosé: Uh well, tweets from about 18 million times last month. But um, and then also you can find me on Saturdays at icon in Astoria. Um, also every month I do a brunch at the Honeywell called Well Honey with my sister Luguna Blue. I also um just about every month have a performance with Stephanie's child, my girl band, at the Green Room 42 at Yotel, and I also perform monthly at Albatross in Astoria for uh for play with Rose. Saturday night's best pregame.

[1:15:10] Caleb Dicke: So um see you there at all my gigs. If you're not there, I'm gonna fucking kill you.

[1:15:15] Elliott Mattox: Well, one in particular that these people will be able to um get tickets to and attend um very quickly after our episode release is your brunch at the Honeywells. So where can they find information on that?

[1:15:27] Rosé: Oh girl, it's next Saturday, it's next Saturday. Honey Well, you can go on Eventbrite and find it. Uh the the URL is um the Honeywell NYC drag brunch.eventbrite.com. Yes, girl. But you um but if you just go there, you can type in Honeywell and you'll find it Honeywell Drag or something. And that's on Saturday, 7th. But it's November 11.

[1:15:46] Caleb Dicke: November 11th.

[1:15:47] Rosé: Um the doors open at 12, brunches served from 12 to 1. The show is around 1 o'clock. I say around 1 because we're not starting to 1, but it's drag queen time.

[1:15:52] Caleb Dicke: It's drag queen time.

[1:15:56] Rosé: Yeah.

[1:15:56] Caleb Dicke: I love the Honeywell.

[1:15:57] Rosé: Oh my god. And and I was about to say the Honey Well is an easy bar. It's an amazing bar. It's it's it opens in January of this year. Between 148th and 149th.

[1:16:06] Caleb Dicke: Yes, sir.

[1:16:07] Rosé: And uh it's on Broadway.

[1:16:09] Caleb Dicke: On Broadway.

[1:16:10] Rosé: Right by Chip Cup, if you apologize. And Honey Public Next door to Chip Cup, but on the same block as Harlem Public at the Wall Wallace. It is the coolest bar. It is like a basement bar. It is like 70s basement themed. And you can get the coolest cocktails there and the best some of the best double eggs I've ever had in the city.

[1:16:28] Caleb Dicke: No, they're checks mix.

[1:16:30] Rosé: It's it's a really great bar. Go to the Honeywell if you live uptown. And if you don't, uh take an adventure. Go somewhere else for a chance. Take the train.

[1:16:38] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[1:16:38] Rosé: The train is 275. You've got it. Go see Honeywell. Go see Well Honey at the Honeywell.

[1:16:44] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. You can follow us at Equity One Podcast on Facebook and Instagram.

[1:16:50] Elliott Mattox: Yes.

[1:16:51] Caleb Dicke: And on Twitter at equity one underscore. And don't forget, you can get tickets to our live show. Also on Eventbrite. Our live show is November 16th at 7 p.m. at the new Jen Waldman Studios. Jen Waldman will be our special guest.

[1:17:07] Elliott Mattox: And uh the wisdom she's gonna spew is worth the ticket price, which is free.

[1:17:11] Caleb Dicke: It's free. But we are asking for a small donation of anything that will go towards Barbie Cares Equity Fights AIDS.

[1:17:19] Elliott Mattox: Yes, it is the time of year. All our proceeds will go towards Broadway Care's Equity Fights AIDS. So please reserve your tickets on our eventbrite. All the info you would need is on our social media.

[1:17:30] Caleb Dicke: Elliot where can we find you at?

[1:17:32] Elliott Mattox: You can find me at Elliott Mattox on Everything. That's E L L I O T T M A T T O X on everything.

[1:17:40] Caleb Dicke: What about you?

[1:17:41] Caleb Dicke: You can find me on everything, but really follow me on the Insta. I feel like that's where I'm most like right. That's your aesthetic yeah at C A L E B D I C K E. Don't be scared to say the E. It's Dickie not Dick.

[1:17:55] Rosé: Speaking of dick, my grinder profile awful in bed 28.

[1:18:00] Caleb Dicke: Hey thank you Rose and with that we say goodnight. Till next time bye on us and I'll always be speaking angels and from above every day for it seems to turn into love some autumn so each and I will always need love here and roll.