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[0:18] Elliott Mattox: You're listening to Equity One, a podcast where two friends chat about life, theater, and everything in between.

[0:25] Caleb Dicke: I'm Caleb Dicke.

[0:26] Elliott Mattox: And I'm Elliott Mattox. Join us for your Equity One.

[0:30] Caleb Dicke: Alright, hi Elliott.

[0:32] Elliott Mattox: Here we are. Welcome to another episode of Equity One.

[0:37] Caleb Dicke: Oh, I love having this.

[0:39] Elliott Mattox: Oh, we just do a little imaginary clink.

[0:40] Caleb Dicke: A little clink. Did today we're having um Manhattan's.

[0:46] Elliott Mattox: Elmo Manhattan's in honor of our guest later on.

[0:49] Caleb Dicke: Guest, Brian C. Hemesath.

[0:51] Elliott Mattox: Uh-huh. And I, of course, am having a seltzer.

[0:54] Caleb Dicke: I am about halfway through whole 30. I was just talking to someone else about the more we're gonna talk to Brian about it, but uh Oh, Alex. She's gonna send you some recipes.

[1:03] Elliott Mattox: Oh great.

[1:05] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. The more recipes the better. But I, you know what? I am not having really any trouble at all cooking. I um I just prepped the other day some um some some eggs, some like egg cups, because I'm gonna have some busy mornings coming up.

[1:21] Elliott Mattox: Do you know Starbucks has really good egg cups?

[1:23] Caleb Dicke: Really?

[1:23] Elliott Mattox: Yes. Mine are huge. I like did like a muffin tin size.

[1:27] Caleb Dicke: Oh.

[1:28] Elliott Mattox: And they're gonna I'm excited about them. I loaded them up with potatoes and um like artichoke sausage and uh and peppers and onions and spinach.

[1:39] Caleb Dicke: I'm strong right now, and I've I was doing so well. I was getting groceries and I just I it's been a very busy week.

[1:45] Elliott Mattox: It's been a busy week.

[1:47] Caleb Dicke: This is a really busy month.

[1:49] Elliott Mattox: Very busy. Just jam packing it in. You know, I'm waking up at five every day for rehearsal.

[1:54] Caleb Dicke: It's so early.

[1:55] Elliott Mattox: But I'm going to bed at 9:30.

[1:57] Caleb Dicke: Good for you. But um, I haven't had time to get groceries, so I'm literally like, I have rations.

[2:02] Elliott Mattox: Yes.

[2:03] Caleb Dicke: I have um I have uh two pieces of bacon in the morning.

[2:07] Elliott Mattox: Okay.

[2:08] Caleb Dicke: Some toast with peanut butter.

[2:09] Elliott Mattox: Okay.

[2:10] Caleb Dicke: Um some cottage cheese.

[2:12] Elliott Mattox: Okay.

[2:12] Caleb Dicke: And I've been making tea. I've been trying to not drink coffee lately.

[2:15] Elliott Mattox: How's that going?

[2:17] Caleb Dicke: You know, it's I mean, I'm working I'm waking up at five a.m. in the morning. I'm dead tired by the end of the day, but like I'm I don't like I have But you're having tea.

[2:24] Elliott Mattox: I'm having tea, so it's I'm trying to make it the caffeinated ones, but sure. I have like a lemon one, there's a granite one. We have just we have a little tea jar.

[2:33] Caleb Dicke: Nice. I don't I don't know how to s I just keep the bag in there the whole time. I know you're supposed to take it up for four minutes.

[2:38] Elliott Mattox: Well, you know, I am the resident tea expert.

[2:41] Caleb Dicke: Oh yeah. Oh, I forgot.

[2:43] Elliott Mattox: I worked in a tea house for a year and a half. Just in like a little tea house.

[2:46] Caleb Dicke: Just a little tea house called Alice's Tea Cup.

[2:49] Elliott Mattox: Mm-hmm.

[2:49] Caleb Dicke: All occasions. And for our, for our, you know, our steeping times. Of course we made tea by the pot, not by the cup. But you're supposed to tea uh steep a caffeinated tea, a black tea or a green tea for three minutes and an herbal tea more like six to seven minutes.

[3:09] Elliott Mattox: I think I left mine in for a good cause we took a break in two and a half hours.

[3:14] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, I mean there's nothing wrong with like if you have a cup of tea to like just leave the tea bag in. I do that all the time. Because I like strong tea.

[3:19] Elliott Mattox: I like strong tea as well.

[3:22] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. It's a matter of taste if you like it stronger, if you like it weaker, you just steep it less or more, depending. And with an herbal tea, it's not really as intense if you leave it in there. Like you're just gonna get more chamomile or whatever.

[3:36] Elliott Mattox: Isn't that a bedtime tea?

[3:38] Caleb Dicke: It is a relaxing tea.

[3:39] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, I can't believe it. Are you doing a lot of like ginger kind of things or like things with ginger, maybe?

[3:46] Caleb Dicke: I'm just doing like a lot of lemon, I think.

[3:48] Elliott Mattox: Okay.

[3:49] Caleb Dicke: There was another one up was it lemon and puff. A lot of lemon teas have ginger in them.

[3:53] Elliott Mattox: Okay, probably. I'll have to look at my packet.

[3:56] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, please let me know what's in them. You know, I'm just and I'm doing it's on my morning commute and I have my monogram, so do I know. I've only really been drinking like one cup of coffee a day. I haven't needed a bunch of coffee lately.

[4:10] Elliott Mattox: I just have more energy without it from my food.

[4:13] Caleb Dicke: Imagine fueling me.

[4:17] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[4:17] Caleb Dicke: Someone posted something funny about like. Well, I had water yesterday, so I can have something prize today.

[4:24] Elliott Mattox: It's important.

[4:25] Caleb Dicke: It's important to balance.

[4:26] Elliott Mattox: It is. How's your week been? I something happened to you and I wanna talk about it.

[4:31] Caleb Dicke: Oh my gosh. I saw Hello Dolly.

[4:35] Elliott Mattox: Yeah!

[4:36] Caleb Dicke: I know. It was so beautiful.

[4:40] Elliott Mattox: I because you know I love a classic show.

[4:41] Caleb Dicke: Yes. We were in like mid Mes. Um John and Mark took me. So wonderful. Thank him so much. Um and it was just beautiful. Like nostalgic. Like it's right here. It's just that it's just a breathtaking.

[4:57] Elliott Mattox: Have you not seen it yet?

[5:00] Caleb Dicke: No, I'm seeing it um in November. I'm gonna see it for my birthday.

[5:03] Elliott Mattox: Do you oh have you gotten your tickets?

[5:05] Caleb Dicke: Not yet. I'm gonna I'm gonna get them.

[5:08] Elliott Mattox: Mmm. Wink, wink.

[5:09] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Thank you, Cast Model. I know some people.

[5:14] Elliott Mattox: Um there are a lot of friends in the show. Lots of good friends, yes. And it's a big cast. I think there's 11 boys. Like amazing boys.

[5:21] Caleb Dicke: That's so cool. And then like three older gentlemen who are like singers, like covers in the back.

[5:25] Elliott Mattox: Sure. Um Rudy. I just, you know, they just do like simple arm choreography, and it's so effective. Like you don't need uh projections, you don't need fire, you don't need all this guitar shit, like electric guitar those.

[5:39] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, I I gotcha. Um, because it's a great show.

[5:42] Elliott Mattox: Yeah. And Bette Midler is hilarious. Stops the show many times.

[5:46] Caleb Dicke: I'm sure. Um, she forgot her line. And she said, line. And they all they kind of went, uh and then she went, I got it. She had been she had been off on vacation for a moment.

[5:58] Elliott Mattox: Oh my god.

[5:59] Caleb Dicke: Oh, sure. Sure. And then I was talking to the cast members, and they're like, oh, she was on fire today. She's excited to be back.

[6:05] Elliott Mattox: Good. That's amazing. Um I can't wait to see it. There's all these painted drops, and they're so pretty. The costumes are gorgeous. I love a good like painted drop.

[6:14] Caleb Dicke: Mm-hmm. And um, Gavin was out.

[6:17] Elliott Mattox: Okay.

[6:17] Caleb Dicke: And so the understudy was on who was wonderful as well.

[6:19] Elliott Mattox: Great.

[6:20] Caleb Dicke: Christian, I think his name is.

[6:22] Elliott Mattox: I think that is his name.

[6:23] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Yeah. He was wonderful. I love a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of and like Bette did her final bow and then she pulled him up and he got to look on this.

[6:30] Elliott Mattox: Oh, that's so cool. She's one of the act. I hear she's a class act.

[6:33] Caleb Dicke: Class act. I cannot wait to see her in it. I was cackling. There's I'm not gonna say Oh, you've done the show, so you know, but like I've done Hello Dolly about 3,000 times, yeah. Um in the courtroom scene when she's like eating.

[6:44] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[6:45] Caleb Dicke: It goes on for like it's supposed to go on, it's supposed to go on for a million years.

[6:45] Elliott Mattox: For a million years, but like you're entranced.

[6:51] Caleb Dicke: It's did it look delicious?

[6:55] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, it's I'm kinda hungry. We're both hungry right now. Um the first part of this podcast is all food, and we're getting wasted on these Manhattans because my stomach is empty.

[7:08] Caleb Dicke: Um it looked like cotton candy, and then I spoke to one of the actors backstage because I had to know where she was eating.

[7:15] Elliott Mattox: Uh-huh.

[7:15] Caleb Dicke: And it's a theater trick, so I can't say.

[7:17] Elliott Mattox: Oh.

[7:20] Caleb Dicke: Okay. Sure. She puts like 15 in the middle mouth, so like.

[7:25] Elliott Mattox: Great. Theater magic. Go see it.

[7:27] Caleb Dicke: I love that. Playing at the Schubert. Right?

[7:29] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[7:31] Caleb Dicke: She worked theater. Yeah. On 45th Street.

[7:33] Elliott Mattox: Uh-huh.

[7:34] Caleb Dicke: And Shubert out. Wait, 44th.

[7:36] Elliott Mattox: 44th Street.

[7:37] Caleb Dicke: 44th. Because we went to Sardi's before.

[7:39] Elliott Mattox: Really?

[7:41] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Like, you know, I know the caricatures and stuff like that, but I like Sardi's.

[7:45] Elliott Mattox: It's cute.

[7:45] Caleb Dicke: It's cute. Yeah. It's like your nice, like, you're gonna go see the show. Let's go get cocktails nuts and before, so.

[7:51] Elliott Mattox: Yes. It was a grand night of theater.

[7:54] Caleb Dicke: Oh, that sounds so good. You know what I saw recently, and we weren't gonna talk about this, but I'm I'm gonna I saw Michael Moore's show.

[8:01] Elliott Mattox: It was so good.

[8:03] Caleb Dicke: And you were kind of skeptical.

[8:04] Elliott Mattox: I didn't know what to expect because I and you know what's interesting is that I grew up, you know, we grew up in more conservative kind of areas. I've I've certainly grown to be more more liberal.

[8:16] Caleb Dicke: Uh huh.

[8:16] Elliott Mattox: Um but I remember when like Fahrenheit 911 came out, and when he was a big controversial figure, I was in a conservative kind of like area and mindset.

[8:28] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, I don't think I have a reaction.

[8:29] Elliott Mattox: That kind of like influenced my opinion, and so I was just like, is am I gonna get yelled at for two hours?

[8:35] Caleb Dicke: Mm-hmm.

[8:36] Elliott Mattox: It was really, really funny.

[8:38] Caleb Dicke: Is it him by himself?

[8:39] Elliott Mattox: It's him by himself. He has like a few, like he brought like a guest star on.

[8:43] Caleb Dicke: I wasn't like a huge fan of them, but he like interviewed someone else.

[8:47] Elliott Mattox: Because he had new guest stars every night.

[8:49] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Um it was the guy, the lead singer of uh Rage Against the Machine.

[8:55] Elliott Mattox: Oh.

[8:55] Caleb Dicke: Uh No Sh No Shade, but I was not terribly interested in that.

[9:00] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[9:01] Caleb Dicke: Um just because I went to go like see his show and like see him talk about things. And it just kind of like dipped a little bit for some. I mean in the middle of the show, or is it the full?

[9:10] Elliott Mattox: It's like it's like toward the middle end.

[9:13] Caleb Dicke: Oh like the end of the middle of the show.

[9:15] Elliott Mattox: So it's like it comes in a place where you're like a full. No, it's like two hours fifteen.

[9:20] Caleb Dicke: Oh, it's like talk.

[9:22] Elliott Mattox: But it was great. I really enjoyed it.

[9:24] Caleb Dicke: It's like a podcast.

[9:26] Elliott Mattox: I really, really enjoyed it, and uh I I recommended to people to go see it. If you uh if you haven't seen it, uh you can probably get tickets. I I'm sure it's I think it's a limited engagement.

[9:39] Caleb Dicke: So check, but it was a great it was a great night. I had I laughed a lot and I thought a lot and um challenge thinking.

[9:47] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, it was really good.

[9:48] Caleb Dicke: I need to um so many shows are closing this fall. I didn't know 1984 was closing in October.

[9:54] Elliott Mattox: I didn't know anyway. I saw the post and I said, What? I thought it's what it was doing what I thought it was. I can't for when the lottery for the show.

[9:59] Caleb Dicke: I didn't know it was a limited engagement.

[10:04] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, so I'm gonna go to the lottery.

[10:08] Caleb Dicke: But actually, I heard the there's TDF has better seats than the they're like 40.

[10:15] Elliott Mattox: I have a TDF membership.

[10:16] Caleb Dicke: Oh maybe we'll go. Maybe we'll do like an equity one date.

[10:19] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, that would be fun.

[10:20] Caleb Dicke: That'd be fun. I heard those seats are better than the lottery seats because there's a lighting.

[10:25] Elliott Mattox: Interesting.

[10:26] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Okay. 1984 is uh like big brother kind of world. If you'll check listeners who don't know what it's about. We'll check it out.

[10:32] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[10:33] Caleb Dicke: Um, oh, I was gonna talk about Dragcon.

[10:36] Elliott Mattox: Oh, yeah. You went to that the last week.

[10:37] Caleb Dicke: I went to Dragcon last weekend, like a crazy person. I had I still was like doing a weekend of shows. So I had two shows each day that I went.

[10:48] Elliott Mattox: In between shows?

[10:48] Caleb Dicke: So I went bright and early in the morning. I like woke up, I got in line. At the Javit Center. The first day I was in line at like 9 15. The second day I was in line at like 8 45.

[11:01] Elliott Mattox: You learned.

[11:03] Caleb Dicke: I learned. Um it was so fun. I did. I just went by myself. I went by myself and I had a grand old time.

[11:12] Elliott Mattox: The first day I met Sasha Velour.

[11:15] Caleb Dicke: Oh that was really cool.

[11:18] Elliott Mattox: And then I got lots and lots of merch. I think I'm gonna do like a like a drag con merch madness at some point. Uh not this week, but at some point in the future.

[11:29] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[11:30] Elliott Mattox: Um and uh got lots of merch, got to like see a bunch of queens, talk to a bunch of queens. Um it was really cool. It was an exciting energy. There were a lot of people there. It was like fun, people were dressed up.

[11:42] Caleb Dicke: People on drag, I bet.

[11:44] Elliott Mattox: Well, a lot of people were like, it was like, well, yeah, and it was like just like a fun energy around. Um did you get to see RuPaul?

[11:51] Caleb Dicke: I didn't. The group meeting RuPaul is like $50 and you have to wait in line.

[11:55] Elliott Mattox: Uh oh.

[11:56] Caleb Dicke: So I didn't have really the time, honestly. Just because I was trying to pack as much in as I could. And really, it's really I could only go in the mornings was the only time I got.

[12:07] Elliott Mattox: Uh I went between shows on Saturday, only got an hour in because they closed at 6. And then um, and then fr uh on Sunday they they closed up at 4, and our show wasn't over until 3:30.

[12:20] Caleb Dicke: So I only got morning first dragon it's the first one in New York. They've done it in LA for like three years.

[12:26] Elliott Mattox: Okay.

[12:26] Caleb Dicke: But this was the first time that they've done it in New York, and it was pretty well organized I think they'll it's pretty big so I think they would need another uh room it was too big it was really crowded the line center huge yeah but there were three other conventions going on oh so like so the you know dragon was in like one big room but like you know a queen like lines for like Sasha were like five hours long story yeah so I so like I think they're gonna probably do something bigger next year.

[12:56] Elliott Mattox: Um but it was really really fun I got to meet a bunch of queens and I got to meet um a shout out to another podcast. I listened to a drag race like recap podcast and it's called Alright Mary.

[13:10] Caleb Dicke: Okay.

[13:10] Elliott Mattox: And it's one of my favorite podcasts and um I got to meet one of my Marys I got to meet Colin who is one of the two guys on the podcast. Like we re I reach out to them via Twitter and Instagram and we like said where we would meet up and so I got to say hi and talk to them.

[13:28] Caleb Dicke: Oh yeah yeah and they subscri and and Colin subscribed to Equity One.

[13:33] Elliott Mattox: Yeah so shout out if you love if you love drag race if you love all that stuff Alright Mary is a great really fun kind of like podcast. They like go deep in drag race and is it only during drag race season?

[13:45] Caleb Dicke: No that right now they're doing uh right now they're doing they did a recap of season one of the first season and kind of compared it to how the series has grown what laid the groundwork for what we see in the series what's different and um and now they're doing uh like kind of like cult classic like drag movies.

[14:04] Caleb Dicke: So they this past week they did um they talked about Drop Dead Gorgeous and also some some other legendary queens, just like queens you may not know.

[14:13] Elliott Mattox: Queens that weren't on drag race but are an important part of drag culture. So uh shout out to them. It's a really great podcast. And um so I was really excited to get to meet one of my Marys. That was really fun.

[14:24] Caleb Dicke: That is fun.

[14:25] Elliott Mattox: It's always fun to like meet someone.

[14:28] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, that like made my weekend.

[14:30] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, it was so cool.

[14:31] Caleb Dicke: Very cool. Um so yeah, Dragon was a lot of fun. I had a serious blast and I was exhausted. I need to catch up on my drag seasons.

[14:39] Elliott Mattox: And then Yeah, well, how many uh seasons have you watched, Caleb?

[14:45] Caleb Dicke: One and a half.

[14:47] Elliott Mattox: Mm-hmm.

[14:49] Caleb Dicke: I love Drag and I love watching it. It's just I mean, I'm bad at watching TV.

[14:54] Elliott Mattox: I know, but drag race like is the best.

[14:57] Caleb Dicke: I know. You've gotta watch it.

[14:59] Elliott Mattox: I know. It's so easy to put on it.

[15:02] Caleb Dicke: I don't like to watch TV in the bedroom.

[15:03] Elliott Mattox: Oh you're not that kind of girl.

[15:06] Caleb Dicke: I'm not that kind of girl. No, not TV in the bedroom. You you will not find the television in my bedroom.

[15:11] Elliott Mattox: Partially because the internet doesn't reach to the back room.

[15:15] Caleb Dicke: Need to get that extender, girl.

[15:17] Elliott Mattox: That 5G. Push it back.

[15:20] Caleb Dicke: Maybe I should put up a TV in my room at the time.

[15:24] Elliott Mattox: You should. I have a spot that I could go on.

[15:26] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. I have my mini TV that I've been trying to give away, but I also have a larger TV.

[15:32] Elliott Mattox: You just watch it on your computer.

[15:34] Caleb Dicke: My computer is a PC. She's all she is she's a goat, like she takes forever.

[15:40] Elliott Mattox: Yeah. You should watch it. Because goats are so good.

[15:43] Caleb Dicke: It's the best.

[15:45] Elliott Mattox: Okay. And then we'd have so much to talk about.

[15:47] Caleb Dicke: Okay. We can. I'll add it to my list. Maybe maybe at some point in the podcast we can like watch a season together and talk about it as we go.

[15:55] Elliott Mattox: Oh, okay, okay. That might be fun.

[15:57] Caleb Dicke: And then people will know the season, so they're like just a little bit.

[15:59] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, and they can watch along if they want.

[16:01] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Well, um, I'm trying to like it. So that's an idea for the future.

[16:04] Elliott Mattox: Okay. I love it.

[16:07] Caleb Dicke: Great. Cool. Onward!

[16:10] Elliott Mattox: Let's do it with this one.

[16:12] Caleb Dicke: Alright, so uh now, very exciting. It is time. You know it, you love it. It's merch madness.

[16:17] Elliott Mattox: M B R C H and A B N E S S.

[16:26] Caleb Dicke: Okay, then that's pretty good.

[16:27] Elliott Mattox: Alright. I love that. So I was thinking about what to do this week, and um to be honest.

[16:35] Caleb Dicke: To be honest, I was like T B H. I was like, um, I don't fucking know what shirt to bring or what theme, and also I didn't want to like search through my shirts.

[16:37] Elliott Mattox: I didn't want to be like, ugh. Honestly, you're wearing one of my favorite shirts right now.

[16:48] Caleb Dicke: Oh, currently I'm wearing an Avita shirt. With Miss Ava Perona. And this is one of the shirts they had in um different colors. They had like a teal in gold and like an orange. I think I got one for Ava. But I got the red and the red and uh yellow. It's one of my favorites from the most recent revival. Anyway.

[17:06] Elliott Mattox: Today for Merch Madness, I'm gonna review uh two shirts from the same show. It's one of my favorite shows I've ever seen. I didn't get to see it, but I remember when it happened. Uh, and that show is Fela.

[17:18] Caleb Dicke: Fela.

[17:21] Elliott Mattox: Yes. So Fela. If you don't know, it's a story of Fela Kuti. He was an activist and a um uh um like a musician.

[17:32] Caleb Dicke: Mm-hmm.

[17:32] Elliott Mattox: Um played the saxophone, right?

[17:34] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[17:34] Elliott Mattox: Okay, yeah. And it was an incredible show. The choreography was unbelievable. The set, the color was beautiful. And there were like in it. Oh, it was gorgeous. Incredible. This that was in like what year was Memphis? Like, I want to say 2010.

[17:48] Caleb Dicke: Seven Spring Awakening.

[17:52] Elliott Mattox: Wait, no. Eight, nine, or ten. I want to say it's 2010. Because that seems like what year Memphis was.

[18:02] Caleb Dicke: I think I'm right.

[18:04] Elliott Mattox: 10, 11, because Sasha. I think I'm right.

[18:08] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Yeah. I think that's right.

[18:10] Elliott Mattox: Okay. I don't know. Queens, correct me. Um, so I have I loved Fela so much that I have a shirt that I bought at the show. And then I have another shirt that I bought at the flea market.

[18:22] Caleb Dicke: Oh.

[18:23] Elliott Mattox: So I'm gonna review them today. My first shirt is this is the shirt that I bought at the show. It is a forest green t-shirt. Um there's like an outline, kind of like silhouette painting of him. Can I imagine if my hand had paint on it and then I stuck my hand on there and totally like that's him. Uh and it's that's in like a mint green. And then um he's like holding up the logo of the show, which just says Fela with an exclamation point in a in a bright orange. I really like this shirt.

[19:01] Caleb Dicke: I like it too.

[19:02] Elliott Mattox: I love it, it's really relaxed fit, but I like I like the color. I never have shirt show shirts that are kind of like this coloring.

[19:10] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[19:10] Elliott Mattox: Um I really like the fit. I like the color. It's a little bit worn. I think there's maybe a hole in the arm to it. She's from Circa 2009, maybe.

[19:19] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[19:20] Elliott Mattox: Yeah. But I do I do really like this shirt. It's uh I think it's a solid shirt, you know, a classic, classic merch. But I really like the design. I like I like the silhouette. I like kind of how simple it is, but it's interesting.

[19:36] Caleb Dicke: It is interesting. It's also, you know, I love those shirts that they don't look like a show shirt.

[19:40] Elliott Mattox: Exactly, exactly. Now this shirt is this is a b this is a black shirt. Uh-huh. Um, and it says Fela a lot of times on it. All over the front of it, and it has his actual silhouette, it looks like a picture. And this is from the Eugene O'Neill. So this is so I saw the show at the Hirschfeld when the World Tour came. Uh it went on World Tour and then it toured back. It came back and played the Hirschfeld.

[20:10] Caleb Dicke: Oh, I didn't know that.

[20:12] Elliott Mattox: Yeah. So I saw it at the Hirschfeld. So this is from the O'Neill. The OG. It says at the bottom, Broadway's O Eugene O'Neill Theater.

[20:21] Caleb Dicke: So no, that's it has a date on it. 2009.

[20:23] Elliott Mattox: 2009. There you go. Probably 2010 Tony's.

[20:28] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. I I always think of things in yours in Tony here. Um.

[20:33] Elliott Mattox: So yeah. This is a great shirt. It's one of my newer shirts. I do enjoy.

[20:37] Caleb Dicke: I've never seen you wear this before.

[20:39] Elliott Mattox: Interesting. I'd never have owned a shirt like this. There's a lot going on.

[20:42] Caleb Dicke: It's busy.

[20:45] Elliott Mattox: It's busy. And because of that reason, and it's black. It's in black and white. Um sweat.

[20:52] Caleb Dicke: Because of that, it does not show any sweat, you're right.

[20:54] Elliott Mattox: But because because it's busy and it's newer and um more new. It's black. I'm my favorite shirt has to go to my original.

[21:04] Caleb Dicke: I would agree.

[21:05] Elliott Mattox: My forest green shirt. I just think it's more interesting. It has more personality. And uh I really I really like this shirt. This shirt I wear all the time. It is uh it is a staple in my show shirt collection. And it gets five out of five A's.

[21:22] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[21:25] Elliott Mattox: So that is this week's Merch Madness. Um you guys send in requests if you want me to do merch madness on specific shows. If I have the merch, I'll I'll do it. Or ideas, like if you know shows have certain actors in them, I'll review them. Some of my items, my show shirts are probably at home. Maybe. We'll see. I have my favorite. Merch Madness is evolving. I think I'm gonna do a drag merch madness. I think I'm gonna do a lot of different kinds of things for merch madness. So that's that. That's merch madness for the week.

[21:58] Caleb Dicke: Anything else you want to talk about before we bring on our special guest?

[22:02] Elliott Mattox: Let's bring him on.

[22:03] Caleb Dicke: Let's let's bring him on. Come on in!

[22:05] Elliott Mattox: Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, we are sitting here with our special guest, Brian C. Hemesath.

[22:18] Caleb Dicke: Costume designer extraordinaire. And we are drinking a nice Manhattan uh we're gonna name it the Elmo Manhattan because the L Manhattan.

[22:28] Elliott Mattox: Yeah. Like Elmo like Southing Street.

[22:31] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Why not?

[22:33] Elliott Mattox: Why not? Because you I design the people's costumes. Elmo. Somebody else does Elmo. But they still like talk with Elmo though, right?

[22:40] Caleb Dicke: They do.

[22:40] Elliott Mattox: Yeah. You still work with him.

[22:43] Brian C. Hemesath: I do still work with the little man. It's true.

[22:45] Elliott Mattox: And I'm having a blackberry seltzer. Which is really, really good.

[22:49] Brian C. Hemesath: It's good. I mean.

[22:51] Elliott Mattox: That's what you do on the whole 30.

[22:53] Brian C. Hemesath: It is. So you have done whole 30, right?

[22:56] Elliott Mattox: I have.

[22:56] Brian C. Hemesath: You did. Okay. What what was your experience with it?

[22:59] Elliott Mattox: I had a great time. I did not go the full 30 days without drinking because my sister's second wedding, second marriage was um January 20th, and I started January 1st. So I made it to the 20th.

[23:11] Brian C. Hemesath: But I was not going to not a drink at your sister's day.

[23:16] Elliott Mattox: Yeah. I mean I didn't have I had a drink.

[23:18] Brian C. Hemesath: Right. I mean, because you had to, right?

[23:20] Elliott Mattox: I mean, you had to get gunpoint.

[23:23] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah. Yeah.

[23:23] Elliott Mattox: No, I I've been doing pretty well. I mean, I I drink a lot, so this has been, you know, this has been a long time without any alcohol.

[23:31] Brian C. Hemesath: I love it. It is the key. The people I I've been asking Elliot and stuff. Is there a book? Have you did you read a book or do you just jump right into it?

[23:38] Elliott Mattox: There is a book. I just didn't read it.

[23:39] Brian C. Hemesath: I know he didn't read it, but did you read it?

[23:41] Elliott Mattox: To be fair, I read some of it. But my husband.

[23:45] Brian C. Hemesath: Okay.

[23:48] Elliott Mattox: But he was the one that really wanted to, because he believed that he was addicted to sugar. Even though I don't really believe that's true. But anyway, it was good that we did it. And then I got excited because we bought the cookbook as well.

[23:59] Brian C. Hemesath: Oh, the cookbook. Good.

[24:03] Elliott Mattox: As I hear. Everyone raves about the chili. I'm gonna make the chili soon.

[24:07] Brian C. Hemesath: Yes. Do you have the cookbook?

[24:09] Elliott Mattox: I don't. I need to bring it to you.

[24:10] Brian C. Hemesath: I would love that.

[24:11] Elliott Mattox: You need it.

[24:12] Brian C. Hemesath: I would love that. The key about that cookbook is that it has you make sort of the um a main portion. So like the chili also goes into two other things. So you mainly so that you have it for the whole week. Um and you can also freeze it and then use it again. So you don't feel like you are making incredibly elaborate meals every single night of your life. You just singularly pull that old one out.

[24:36] Elliott Mattox: It's true.

[24:36] Brian C. Hemesath: And you can just reuse it, revamp it a little bit.

[24:38] Elliott Mattox: It's a lot of squash.

[24:40] Brian C. Hemesath: Really?

[24:41] Elliott Mattox: And a lot of butternut squash.

[24:42] Brian C. Hemesath: I do. I actually made butternut squash soup last night. Um just you made a squash when I came over, didn't you?

[24:47] Elliott Mattox: I made spaghetti squash when you came over.

[24:50] Brian C. Hemesath: So I guess I am eating a lot of squash. I don't know.

[24:52] Elliott Mattox: It's good for you. Um doing a lot of chicken, a lot of eggs, a lot of potatoes.

[24:57] Brian C. Hemesath: Do you have a soda stream?

[24:58] Elliott Mattox: I don't have a soda stream.

[25:00] Brian C. Hemesath: That was what got me through.

[25:01] Elliott Mattox: Soda stream with um.

[25:06] Brian C. Hemesath: Sure.

[25:07] Elliott Mattox: Like you're like, yeah. I mean, I was practically drunk on it.

[25:11] Brian C. Hemesath: I thought soda streams were so stupid until I actually like stayed at someone's house who had one and it was brilliant.

[25:17] Elliott Mattox: Well, I thought they were stupid because I never drank seltzer really. I don't know. I was never grown up on I never like was brought up on soda. We drank from the hose.

[25:24] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah. Well, you drank pop.

[25:26] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[25:26] Brian C. Hemesath: Right?

[25:26] Elliott Mattox: Uh huh.

[25:27] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, pop.

[25:33] Elliott Mattox: Yes. Yeah, pop. We are all midwesterners.

[25:35] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, I grew up on the hard stuff like Sunkiss and Mountain Dew.

[25:40] Elliott Mattox: Yeah. Like um Bark Barks cream soda, Barkshark cream soda. Uh Barks root beer. I lived on it at college.

[25:47] Brian C. Hemesath: It's important.

[25:49] Elliott Mattox: It is. Remember when they came in out with like the real sugar for like Mountain Dew and it was like a hillbilly on it?

[25:55] Brian C. Hemesath: I don't remember that.

[25:57] Elliott Mattox: Wait, Mountain Dew real sugar?

[25:59] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[25:59] Elliott Mattox: I think I wait. I I do think we're and then I was like Pepsi Blue. I was like, wait, it wasn't it wasn't real sugar to begin with. And then I'm not sure.

[26:07] Brian C. Hemesath: I mean, I feel like you can make any more sugar in a Mountain Dew if you try.

[26:10] Elliott Mattox: I don't think so, but they just want to make sure it's real.

[26:13] Brian C. Hemesath: We on Frida on Friday night we would have pizza night and we would sit on a blanket in the living room and have pizza and pop. But on Saturday, we weren't allowed to drink the pop again until after 12 o'clock. So I would sneak downstairs and get like one of those little like Dipsy cups and like pour a little bike.

[26:29] Elliott Mattox: Sorry.

[26:31] Brian C. Hemesath: Oh Lord.

[26:32] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[26:33] Brian C. Hemesath: Well it's the little thing. They just wanted you to be calm for a little while.

[26:37] Elliott Mattox: It didn't work.

[26:38] Brian C. Hemesath: No, they sent you out to work on the you know, clean the calves, pen or something.

[26:43] Elliott Mattox: Yeah. Yeah, a lot of a lot of that. We and Brian and I have a lot in common. We're both farm boys.

[26:47] Brian C. Hemesath: We are.

[26:48] Elliott Mattox: Now I feel like I knew this about you.

[26:50] Brian C. Hemesath: I grew up on a dairy farm.

[26:51] Elliott Mattox: And I grew up on a dairy farm.

[26:52] Brian C. Hemesath: I didn't know that you grew up on a dairy farm.

[26:54] Elliott Mattox: In Iowa.

[26:55] Brian C. Hemesath: Hilarious.

[26:56] Elliott Mattox: Yes. Holsteins. You ought to give Iowa.

[26:59] Brian C. Hemesath: We have so we need a lot. So farm boys, let's let's talk about it. Uh well, how did you how did you uh determine what you were interested in in a dairy farm in Iowa?

[27:08] Brian C. Hemesath: I always love show tunes. I don't really I used to rake hay, which involves driving a tractor in circles around a field a lot. Um so I would um listen on my um a walkman um to a cassette tape because I'm well old enough to be both of your fathers. Uh um I would listen to Into the Woods and sing all of the parts to this.

[27:43] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, what was the lead in high school? Were you the lead in high school? The supporting or were we? I was Allie Hackham in Oklahoma. I am as ethnic as you had a freshman. Um, my god, as a freshman, though that's a part. It was a part. That's a big deal. Um, and I was in the matchmaker that year. We did two productions a year. We did four. There were sixty-five people in my graduating class. It's very small. You were popular. I was, I was known. I wouldn't go as so far as popular. But um, yes. Um, even when I got mono, I had to be downgraded as a matchmaker. Oh my god. What a trooper though. I know from the lead, I was so upset. Because you had to kiss a girl, probably. Well, also because I was in bed and not able to harvest so that was problematic. But it's all good. Um, and then I went to um college and I took a costume design class and I was double majoring in art and theater, and I thought, it's kind of a great way to put this all together.

[28:51] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah. So, and then I went, I graduated from a little um Catholic um liberal arts college, St. Ambrose in Davenport, Iowa. And then I went to Carnegie Mellon for graduate school. Okay. And then visited LA for a little while and decided New York was the only real place to be.

[29:10] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Do you know I'm Catholic too? We have a lot in common.

[29:14] Brian C. Hemesath: So I'm gonna go.

[29:20] Caleb Dicke: Oh, it's okay, Ellen. You don't have to be Catholic.

[29:22] Brian C. Hemesath: No, I don't. They don't really accept us anyway. If it makes you feel any better.

[29:27] Caleb Dicke: I sang at many a mass in the past.

[29:29] Brian C. Hemesath: You did.

[29:30] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, yeah.

[29:31] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, that was my job. Now here's the last quiz. Do you have any aunts or uncles who went into the vocation?

[29:41] Brian C. Hemesath: Because of my father's four siblings, there were five together. There were two nuns and a priest.

[29:48] Caleb Dicke: Wow.

[29:49] Brian C. Hemesath: Whoa. You know, they push it like vocation. It's called vocation week, and they're like, they really like push like becoming a nun or a priest or something. And it only really stuck for one.

[30:01] Brian C. Hemesath: I mean, my We all go through phases. His oldest sister became a nun before she was 20 and remains a nun now. His oldest brother uh was a missionary priest.

[30:15] Caleb Dicke: Okay.

[30:15] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, he left, got married, has five children, who are all basically the same age as us. And then his younger sister um was a nun for a long time and she left the order and lives in Nebraska now.

[30:28] Caleb Dicke: Wow.

[30:28] Brian C. Hemesath: But you know, you gotta see but nowadays I'm like, yeah, go see if you want to be a nun, because like why not?

[30:28] Caleb Dicke: Why not?

[30:34] Brian C. Hemesath: I mean you may like live for it.

[30:35] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[30:36] Brian C. Hemesath: It's true. Like you can't get cable.

[30:40] Caleb Dicke: But you could probably run a school.

[30:41] Brian C. Hemesath: We had sister-law. You definitely can't listen to the podcast if you're a nun.

[30:45] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, you can.

[30:46] Brian C. Hemesath: You can.

[30:46] Caleb Dicke: Can you have a phone?

[30:47] Brian C. Hemesath: Of course. You can have a phone. It's not like you're like shun from society.

[30:51] Caleb Dicke: They're not homage, darling. They can drive a car.

[30:53] Brian C. Hemesath: I don't know. I guess I just it's okay. I just picture like sound and music.

[30:59] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, I don't know.

[30:59] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, we're gonna get it's it's more exciting. Do you have a confirmation name?

[31:04] Caleb Dicke: I was about to ask both of you what your confirmation name was. Mine's Ralph.

[31:08] Brian C. Hemesath: It's my grandpa's I picked it.

[31:11] Caleb Dicke: It's just one name, Ralph.

[31:12] Brian C. Hemesath: Ralph.

[31:13] Caleb Dicke: Really?

[31:13] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[31:14] Caleb Dicke: Mine is Francis for St. Francis's.

[31:16] Brian C. Hemesath: I was like, but I had to like write a report on why that I would pick the name.

[31:20] Caleb Dicke: I thought it had to be like I thought it had to be a proper Christian name.

[31:24] Brian C. Hemesath: No, but like I would we were forward thinking in 2000.

[31:30] Caleb Dicke: That would be the difference right there.

[31:31] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, we weren't as poor. You could pick a saint name, or you could like you I had to write a report and do research as to why I wanted a non-saint name.

[31:40] Caleb Dicke: Were there any other Ralphs that you cited in your research?

[31:43] Brian C. Hemesath: No, I just I well I talked to my Grammy whose husband was Ralph and I'm like, that's why I picked it. There's meaning by it, I just didn't pick like some.

[31:50] Caleb Dicke: Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[31:52] Brian C. Hemesath: I hear you.

[31:54] Caleb Dicke: I just I guess I don't understand.

[31:56] Brian C. Hemesath: It's okay.

[31:57] Caleb Dicke: I never will.

[31:58] Brian C. Hemesath: I wouldn't have to do that.

[32:00] Caleb Dicke: I wonder if I'd understand.

[32:00] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[32:00] Caleb Dicke: I mean, I was in a great so I was just like, yeah, let's do it.

[32:04] Brian C. Hemesath: Sure, Ralph.

[32:06] Caleb Dicke: Right a paper.

[32:07] Brian C. Hemesath: When I'm older and people start calling me by Ralph. That's kind of fun.

[32:11] Caleb Dicke: You have like a separate activity.

[32:13] Brian C. Hemesath: I do. And I like because it goes first name, middle name, confirmation name, last name?

[32:17] Caleb Dicke: I think so.

[32:18] Brian C. Hemesath: That's why I think it's okay.

[32:21] Caleb Dicke: You love it, don't you?

[32:23] Brian C. Hemesath: That's kind of weird.

[32:24] Caleb Dicke: I love it.

[32:25] Brian C. Hemesath: CMR.

[32:27] Caleb Dicke: It's your gelical name.

[32:28] Brian C. Hemesath: Oh, it is. Totally.

[32:30] Caleb Dicke: It's a difficult matter.

[32:31] Brian C. Hemesath: Mm-hmm.

[32:32] Caleb Dicke: It really is.

[32:32] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[32:33] Caleb Dicke: What's your confirmation name?

[32:34] Brian C. Hemesath: Oh, you Francis.

[32:35] Caleb Dicke: Francis.

[32:35] Brian C. Hemesath: Mm-hmm.

[32:37] Caleb Dicke: Do you get along with animals?

[32:38] Brian C. Hemesath: Yes.

[32:39] Caleb Dicke: Do you have pets?

[32:40] Brian C. Hemesath: I do. I have a dog that doesn't like any people, which is what I think.

[32:44] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, that's okay.

[32:45] Brian C. Hemesath: Doesn't does he like you?

[32:46] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[32:47] Brian C. Hemesath: Great.

[32:47] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[32:48] Brian C. Hemesath: Good.

[32:49] Caleb Dicke: That's important.

[32:50] Brian C. Hemesath: It is, yes. And also, uh my husband, so that's good.

[32:52] Caleb Dicke: Great.

[32:54] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, not as much. She likes the dog walker a little bit.

[32:58] Caleb Dicke: That's good.

[32:59] Brian C. Hemesath: Well, hopefully.

[33:00] Caleb Dicke: I walk a little bit.

[33:01] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[33:02] Caleb Dicke: Alright, so you went to Carnegie Mellon.

[33:04] Brian C. Hemesath: You could New York.

[33:06] Caleb Dicke: Got to New York.

[33:07] Brian C. Hemesath: I did a lot of I did a lot of uh theater. Um, I worked at a costume shop that created uh costumes I learned to tailor to make patterns and tailor it.

[33:19] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, while I was there, I uh someone I worked with worked at Saturday Night Live and said, We need help. Um, we're doing a great big um episode, and we need more people to come stitch. You should come. It was Britney Spears Hip Hop Epic. Um, was my very first show that I worked on there in Big Hoop Skirts.

[33:44] Brian C. Hemesath: And um, I ended up working there for 14 years. Um, went from wardrobe into design, and um when Andy Sandberg and Urba Tacone and um that whole group, um uh Akita Schaefer, um, and all the cast members were doing all of the digital shorts. Um, I started going out on them and then I took over designing them.

[34:08] Brian C. Hemesath: So um we did about 110 of them or something.

[34:13] Caleb Dicke: Wow.

[34:14] Brian C. Hemesath: So they would write them.

[34:16] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, we would find out.

[34:17] Brian C. Hemesath: It's hours, right? The whole show was very fast, but they were faster than the whole show because they still have to edit them.

[34:24] Caleb Dicke: Right.

[34:24] Brian C. Hemesath: So um we would usually get a script on Wednesday night. Wednesday night is the root through night. So the way that SNL works is um that on Monday nights they have what's called pitch.

[34:35] Caleb Dicke: And that's where they it's where Anna Gastar talks about how she would have like ball fulls of candy.

[34:40] Brian C. Hemesath: Exactly. And they um uh throw out ideas for sketches.

[34:46] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, yeah.

[34:46] Brian C. Hemesath: And then Tuesday is writing down. So they the cast and the writers and everybody leaves and they go write the sketches that they have developed, which is generally somewhere around 30 to 40 sketches that they read.

[35:00] Caleb Dicke: So on Wednesday afternoon, sometimes late afternoon, depending on who the host is and what's going on in the world, um, they come and sit around a big table and they read all of them.

[35:10] Brian C. Hemesath: And then Lauren Michaels and the host and some of the producers go into a room and decide which 12 things they're going to produce.

[35:18] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[35:18] Brian C. Hemesath: And during this time, they would, at least for Andy and the boys, um, they would just say, write something funny, and then they would have to write something, and usually we would get something, outline something on Wednesday night, and we would start filming Thursday night.

[35:35] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, and then or sometimes we would film on Friday during the day, but we would have to get cast members out of rehearsal because they rehearsed during the day.

[35:41] Caleb Dicke: Right.

[35:41] Brian C. Hemesath: Either that or we just have to shoot up night. And uh towards the end, when things got more elaborate, we would do like 24 hour shoots, which were um uh really not legal to do like that.

[35:54] Caleb Dicke: Probably not.

[35:55] Brian C. Hemesath: No, no, yeah, yeah, probably not. They allegedly did 24 hour shoots.

[36:00] Caleb Dicke: I don't see any record.

[36:03] Brian C. Hemesath: I mean, it's hearsay, really. Um, but yes, so we did we did all of them all around the city, and it was it was also fun.

[36:10] Caleb Dicke: I mean, some of them they did away from here, like they shot on a boat in Florida.

[36:15] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, so we pulled some things together here and sent it there because oddly they didn't want to pay for us to go to Florida.

[36:21] Caleb Dicke: Oh yeah, now in that are you are you pulling from stock or are you just designing and like creating or is it some of both?

[36:29] Brian C. Hemesath: It's depending. Honestly, yeah. Um, what is uh unique about uh Saturday Night Live is that um if you come from a theater background, you generally look to the director as your um guide, your guide to the person who sort of idea has the idea for the the visual and for everything, but at SNL, it's the writers who do this.

[36:49] Brian C. Hemesath: So when after these meetings, we talk to the writers to say, okay, what is it that you want? What what what sort of idea is it? And then we bring them research, and because it is quick um most of it is shopped and um then one of the favorite techniques is to buy two things and put them together because you can't really make it from scratch but you can you know sort of create things from uh so you go out and shop and what you a lot of times you're able to find what you need and many of the things are written like Connecticut um or you know homeless or something that is not crazy operating there were a few um uh like a boss I think had a giant fish that we had to have created so that had to be put at the very end of the filming and what about the time to make it yeah what about like um if someone's doing a specific you know impersonation and half they have to like dress that we would build that often okay um or we would you know copy or um and there are amazing um uh tailor stitchers um drapers at SNL and they the nice thing about it is it is one night only right not eight shows a week sure they can be sewn into it you're all like don't think that doesn't happen because it does um but I mean we try not to do that because you do have to do multiple takes um but it does not have to last eight shows a week and so and it doesn't have to be beautiful on the inside it just has to work yeah and so there was uh there was one that we did with Emma Stone where she had to have an enormous butt and so we had to come up with something that would sort of resemble that, and then we had to drape it on uh and then take literally two pe two pairs of jeans and cut them up and put them back together so that they shaped around and came back in under um this fake butt so that they would sh be able to uh shift this and function and it would look you know ridiculous, of course.

[38:51] Caleb Dicke: It's important work, but yes, I mean this is terribly important work.

[38:57] Brian C. Hemesath: But I can imagine how fun that would be.

[38:59] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, it is it is really fun.

[39:00] Brian C. Hemesath: At about hour 20, it's less fun.

[39:02] Caleb Dicke: Um, but I think it was less fun for the performers then as well.

[39:05] Brian C. Hemesath: Of course.

[39:06] Caleb Dicke: No, are you like working it or are you kind of designing it and passing off to someone else?

[39:10] Brian C. Hemesath: It really sort of depended on what it was. I mean, ultimately I was come up with coming up with the ideas for it, but um I uh in order to do that, you you come up with the ideas and then you go to set, and then you have to be there to establish the look, and once the look is established, then the water people take over and maintain the look throughout.

[39:31] Brian C. Hemesath: But um, sometimes there were episodes that we needed to just create things as we went, or you would get ideas as you were going along, and so um you're really working the whole time.

[39:46] Caleb Dicke: So um, yeah, it's fun though.

[39:50] Brian C. Hemesath: And for a short time I was doing SNL. Um, I I had been making costumes for Sesame Street for the former designers there for years, and one of them um uh his name was Bill Kellard, unfortunately, passed away. He um was diagnosed with brain cancer, and um he lasted about 18 months, which was remarkable, and um they it was during the writer's strike at SNL.

[40:15] Brian C. Hemesath: So I went over there to go work with them, and Bill passed away, and then I took over.

[40:20] Brian C. Hemesath: And Sesame Street is sort of the opposite day. Sort of things in the beginning, and um you go there at, you know, eight o'clock, everyone shows up, they all get into their clothes.

[40:32] Brian C. Hemesath: At nine o'clock they get on set. Everybody says things are fine. And then you start working on something for the next day.

[40:38] Brian C. Hemesath: Um so for a short time I was doing both, which was very odd to jump back and forth.

[40:43] Caleb Dicke: Two different and vulgar.

[40:47] Brian C. Hemesath: But I mean there are things that are not on camera that uh are plenty racy at Sesame Street.

[40:53] Caleb Dicke: Oh I'm sure.

[40:54] Brian C. Hemesath: But so we would, you know, sometimes we would start at six o'clock in the morning at SNL, and then I would get people ready and um then I would go over to Sesame Street, make sure they were okay, and then go back to SM after she.

[41:06] Brian C. Hemesath: So um but uh they neither one of them film every week. Um SNL only does 20 to 22 episodes a year and um Sesame Street films like twelve weeks out of the year.

[41:19] Caleb Dicke: So it wasn't every week that there was a contract.

[41:22] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[41:22] Caleb Dicke: So it was fun though.

[41:24] Brian C. Hemesath: It was good. And I left um SNL to do honeymoon in Vegas.

[41:28] Brian C. Hemesath: Yes, uh which was um a lot of fun.

[41:30] Brian C. Hemesath: Uh it is harder to juggle a Broadway schedule and that crazy.

[41:35] Caleb Dicke: I mean, yeah, let's talk about that because we you know a lot of people don't even a lot of people listening don't even realize what um fully what a Broadway schedule is.

[41:46] Elliott Mattox: Uh and definitely I don't already decide what a film schedule is.

[41:51] Caleb Dicke: So like what is what are the differences and how do you manage both of them in their own way?

[41:57] Brian C. Hemesath: Um well the Broadway schedule is um definitely you know, we start with all the um pre-production quite a long time uh before any anyone's cast or anything happens.

[42:11] Brian C. Hemesath: Um I was with Honeymoon uh at Paper Mill, so we had a little working pre-pro, I guess.

[42:18] Brian C. Hemesath: Yes, we had a working knowledge of what worked and what didn't.

[42:21] Brian C. Hemesath: And um, so uh I was working with Dennis Jones and with um Gary Griffin, who are fantastic.

[42:28] Brian C. Hemesath: Um and so we had to sort of develop everything um early, and you have to have enough time to have things built for um for our Broadway show because it has to last eight shows a week.

[42:44] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, right film.

[42:45] Brian C. Hemesath: So um you have to start all of that at least a month, a couple of months before casting happens, and then you have to work through um you know getting fittings and making sure that everything happens.

[42:58] Brian C. Hemesath: Um so it is sort of a it's more of a nine to five, really.

[43:05] Brian C. Hemesath: I mean, although it isn't nine to five, it's more of a it takes a chunk out of your day, but it isn't you know 24 hours straight and then you're finished.

[43:12] Caleb Dicke: Sure.

[43:13] Brian C. Hemesath: And so that I think is the the main difference between that and working in, I mean.

[43:18] Brian C. Hemesath: You just look at your marathon and sprint.

[43:21] Caleb Dicke: Right, yeah, it is, and so like um SNL doesn't function like a any other sort of sitcom or um television series truly either because it's kind of a hybrid between theater and TV.

[43:34] Brian C. Hemesath: Um but it definitely works more as a sprint, yeah, um, as do many television series, so that you are you work crazy hours for three months and then off to recover and regain your sanity and then decide you're gonna do it again.

[43:52] Brian C. Hemesath: Which is similar with film.

[43:54] Brian C. Hemesath: Um and so um Sesame Street is not actually unlike SNL because it is sort of a theater hybrid as well.

[44:03] Caleb Dicke: Sure.

[44:04] Brian C. Hemesath: Um and um so I I think that um being able to jump back and forth between those two mediums is exciting and fun.

[44:14] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[44:14] Elliott Mattox: Totally.

[44:15] Elliott Mattox: So yeah.

[44:16] Elliott Mattox: I mean we and we we'll talk about Honeymoon.

[44:19] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, because we love to it was one of my favorite things I've seen in a long time.

[44:24] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[44:24] Brian C. Hemesath: It's charming.

[44:25] Caleb Dicke: And then I saw it again at Marriott.

[44:27] Caleb Dicke: Just uh we just did it um was the first um major regional production.

[44:34] Brian C. Hemesath: Yes, which is very exciting.

[44:35] Brian C. Hemesath: I think it'll have a nice one.

[44:36] Caleb Dicke: And a lot of the same designs just came over, right?

[44:39] Brian C. Hemesath: Were they the same costumes or were they?

[44:41] Brian C. Hemesath: Some were the same and some were not.

[44:43] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, but um it was different being in the round because um, you know, at the Niederlander, we had um Anna Luisa's beautiful elaborate set that did all sorts of tricks and yeah, um had amazing LED screens and um in the round, of course you can't do that because you can't see.

[45:03] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[45:03] Brian C. Hemesath: So um it definitely changed the focus of um the performers, I think.

[45:10] Brian C. Hemesath: It was it was great to be able to um have a little more ability to make them wackier um because they didn't have to I didn't have to worry about them blending in with scenery.

[45:24] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, um because they kind of wore the scenery.

[45:26] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[45:27] Brian C. Hemesath: So uh which is not to say that the uh the set designer did a remarkable job um there um with uh making the levels change and and um creating a space that was able to go from New York to Vegas to Hawaii.

[45:42] Brian C. Hemesath: Hawaii they have those hydraulics, and that's why it's such a and that's why I think it's kind of exciting that you know uh there's so many the costumes in honeymoon really helped uh let you know where you were even on Broadway like you're doing Hurtle in one moment and then you're doing and then you're in Vegas and then you're half in Vegas half in Hawaii and you that really like helped you know where you are that was that was the goal for all also to sort of um reserve colors for each of the locations so that it made more sense and you could automatically tell that you were in a new place and also not um there were the same performers of course changing so we had to let you know who was doing what and um so it was it was a lot of fun um I was it like designing all those showgirl costumes yeah I was about to talk about the the heart player like where'd the inspiration come from if you don't know she had hands on her her breasts that's really she plays the heart with her dance.

[46:38] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah yeah um Sapphire Day of the Tour.

[46:42] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah the amazing Katie Weber originally um in Charlie currently and a mommy I mean um sh it was I read it that Jason Robert Brown the the score is brilliant and Andrew Bergman uh wrote the the book and uh wrote and directed the film that it's based on um and uh when that came we all just sort of took it in for a little while and the wheels are turning you're like okay okay okay so we went we we did a few uh different sketches where she was sort of wearing the harp and then um then I don't know really why I decided, but for some reason I thought it would be funny, you know, when you go up to your girlfriend and you say, Let me be a bra, which I mean I'm sure we did, right?

[47:33] Brian C. Hemesath: So I was like, um so I decided that it would be really funny if it just looked like she had hands holding up her breasts.

[47:41] Brian C. Hemesath: Um so that uh she ended up with hands holding her breasts up, yeah.

[47:47] Brian C. Hemesath: Um which was lots of fun, and then she got to have the same sort of matching rings, and and she was basically naked other than that.

[47:53] Caleb Dicke: Totally naked.

[47:54] Brian C. Hemesath: Those girls weren't naked.

[47:55] Brian C. Hemesath: They were really naked.

[47:56] Caleb Dicke: The show girls that were just like cards.

[47:58] Brian C. Hemesath: Yes, yeah, I mean the showgirls were actually really covered, but the uh those those card girls did not have a lot on.

[48:06] Brian C. Hemesath: No.

[48:06] Brian C. Hemesath: Um that was like the whole idea was we were sitting there in um pre-production trying to figure out how to make um uh a card game exciting.

[48:16] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[48:16] Brian C. Hemesath: Um bring on naked girls.

[48:18] Brian C. Hemesath: And so we were all, and of course the girls were singing, but at that point they weren't on stage.

[48:23] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, and so I really not I don't remember who suggested that we would bring them on stage as um girls, and then someone was like, Well, it would be great if they were naked.

[48:32] Brian C. Hemesath: I was like, you know, it would be really great if we made them look as if they were completely naked.

[48:37] Brian C. Hemesath: And so that was the idea with the big cards, yeah, because it was gonna be sort of full Monty-ish that you thought that they were naked.

[48:43] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, and so uh I mean it it evolved into what it was, which was then.

[48:49] Brian C. Hemesath: Um I don't think any of the girls uh ever loved that moment in the it's you're so exposed.

[48:55] Caleb Dicke: Exactly.

[48:56] Brian C. Hemesath: So it wasn't it.

[48:56] Brian C. Hemesath: Was it a mesh?

[48:57] Brian C. Hemesath: Or was it just like panties and it was it was a two-piece and it was um it was fish nets that we cut down to be the height of the panty.

[49:06] Brian C. Hemesath: Uh um because I wouldn't put them on stage without at least a fish.

[49:09] Caleb Dicke: Oh because what else am I gonna put sparkle on?

[49:13] Brian C. Hemesath: Exactly.

[49:13] Brian C. Hemesath: So um they got to have fish network.

[49:15] Brian C. Hemesath: Individually they crystallip when they go.

[49:20] Brian C. Hemesath: The change was too fast.

[49:22] Brian C. Hemesath: So um they got to have fish nets.

[49:25] Brian C. Hemesath: And they of course had dev head pieces.

[49:27] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[49:27] Brian C. Hemesath: And after that it was uh a sort of a a demi bra with a little bit of sparkle pasty on it, and a very uh uh we dyed the bras and panties to match their skin tones and put some sparkle on them and sent them out.

[49:41] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, they did have a butt covering.

[49:43] Brian C. Hemesath: I mean, they had their playing card butt ruffle.

[49:46] Caleb Dicke: Oh they were really happy.

[49:48] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[49:48] Brian C. Hemesath: You're you're um you you have uh uh a thing going on where you design women naked because we did guys and dolls together.

[49:58] Brian C. Hemesath: Okay, and there was a a uh our Adelaide very scantily clad.

[50:05] Brian C. Hemesath: Very, very naked very naked.

[50:07] Caleb Dicke: Uh Josh Rhodes.

[50:08] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[50:08] Brian C. Hemesath: Um I met Josh uh a little bit before um I worked on Broadway Bears with him, but then I did um the opening number for him for two years for Bradbury Bears for the um Monopoly Stripopoly and um the masterpieces, and then his partner Lee did the following year, the um uh fairy tale year, and so I did the opening number with him.

[50:32] Brian C. Hemesath: So we our whole vocabulary going into Guys and Dolls was how do I make it sexy and um let's have some naked girls.

[50:40] Brian C. Hemesath: And so they got naked.

[50:41] Brian C. Hemesath: She got pretty naked.

[50:42] Brian C. Hemesath: She did, loved it.

[50:43] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[50:44] Brian C. Hemesath: Um the the hotbuck girls, not so much.

[50:46] Brian C. Hemesath: Not so much, because Adelaide is the lead space.

[50:49] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, but they had a little bit.

[50:50] Brian C. Hemesath: The pedals.

[50:51] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, and then they were supposed to look, you know, basically like they just had a lace going on in the second one.

[50:57] Brian C. Hemesath: But um Adelaide had to do a lot in her nearly nakedness.

[51:02] Caleb Dicke: She did.

[51:02] Brian C. Hemesath: She did it from walkover, didn't she?

[51:04] Caleb Dicke: Assisted walkover.

[51:06] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[51:06] Brian C. Hemesath: Took that minka just went.

[51:07] Caleb Dicke: Uh huh.

[51:08] Brian C. Hemesath: It was really good.

[51:09] Brian C. Hemesath: She did a remarkable job.

[51:10] Brian C. Hemesath: She was she's pretty fantastic.

[51:12] Caleb Dicke: And so that the so how long have you worked on uh bears?

[51:16] Brian C. Hemesath: Um did you work on bears?

[51:18] Brian C. Hemesath: I think I did about eight of them.

[51:22] Brian C. Hemesath: Like I did the I did three opening numbers and then I did various um, but those are the last three that I did.

[51:28] Caleb Dicke: Do you just shop for job straps or like it's a quite idea?

[51:36] Brian C. Hemesath: You just go over to tag and then just say this this thing.

[51:41] Brian C. Hemesath: Does this one release to take this off?

[51:45] Brian C. Hemesath: So um actually all three of those years, um it did I worked with uh my friend Jared Lee's who is another costume designer, and the two of us did the opening number and the number right after.

[51:56] Brian C. Hemesath: And for the first two years, uh Josh Busher was the um the lead strip in the second one.

[52:01] Brian C. Hemesath: So we went right out of stripopoly into a money number where he was sort of in a gold suit that's stripped down and then stripped down and then stripped down and then that was the end.

[52:12] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[52:12] Brian C. Hemesath: Um and then the next one was Washington Crossing the Delaware, so we stripped down.

[52:17] Brian C. Hemesath: Um most of that stuff is uh made either by the designers or by um shops that they can um convince to make these things go in bag or you know, hope that you have a relationship with somebody who can help you out because it's so good to do us.

[52:36] Brian C. Hemesath: It's kind of weird.

[52:37] Brian C. Hemesath: I had a rip away in my competition days.

[52:40] Caleb Dicke: Tell us.

[52:40] Brian C. Hemesath: It's a lot you had to construct once you take a shirt and you deconstruct it, and you have to reconstruct it, and it's a lot of velcro.

[52:46] Caleb Dicke: It's true.

[52:47] Brian C. Hemesath: It doesn't have to be Velcro though.

[52:48] Brian C. Hemesath: Oh I just I did the opening number for the Tony Awards this last year for um with um Kevin Spacey.

[52:54] Brian C. Hemesath: And we had to he had to come out as Evan Hansen.

[52:57] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, but then he it had to like magically come off him.

[53:00] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[53:00] Brian C. Hemesath: And um it is a polo shirt, so you could see all the snaps, you can see Velcro, you can see everything.

[53:07] Brian C. Hemesath: So we actually sewed it, we opened it up, finished it out, and sewed it with um fishing line and put a little uh and tied it to the button of his pants.

[53:16] Brian C. Hemesath: So when they tore his pants off, it pulled the fishing line out, and then the shirt just fell off of him.

[53:22] Caleb Dicke: Oh wow.

[53:23] Brian C. Hemesath: So that he couldn't.

[53:25] Brian C. Hemesath: I love onstage quick change.

[53:27] Brian C. Hemesath: Because he had to go from that into ground hog day immediately.

[53:29] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, yeah.

[53:30] Brian C. Hemesath: He couldn't pull that off over his head because there was no guarantee we wouldn't, you know, mess up his hair or pull his mic off.

[53:36] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, right.

[53:38] Brian C. Hemesath: So what are some of your like favorite on stage rigs?

[53:41] Brian C. Hemesath: Like what are some of your favorite ways to like make something like that?

[53:44] Brian C. Hemesath: Because I think that's so interesting because they're all different.

[53:47] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah.

[53:47] Brian C. Hemesath: Right.

[53:48] Brian C. Hemesath: Well, um, that one actually came from um my assistant um who had worked on bandstand and had done something similar in band stand.

[53:57] Caleb Dicke: I love that Laura Esn is like turned.

[53:59] Brian C. Hemesath: She pulls something in this I can't remember.

[54:03] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, yeah.

[54:03] Brian C. Hemesath: It's true, but I mean uh they um they do it in actually a lot of shows.

[54:08] Brian C. Hemesath: Craig Barnes is sort of the king of a quick change.

[54:12] Brian C. Hemesath: On stage quick change.

[54:13] Brian C. Hemesath: He's comes up with well, dreams up amazing things, and those shops make it happen, honestly.

[54:19] Brian C. Hemesath: Like um, you just sort of go to them and say, I kind of wanted to do this, and then magically it happens.

[54:26] Caleb Dicke: Okay.

[54:27] Brian C. Hemesath: Um usually you go in with some sort of an idea of it, like this uh Kevin Spacey thing, we had an idea, but um till they sort of actually do it.

[54:36] Brian C. Hemesath: You don't know if it's gonna work or don't work or whatever.

[54:38] Brian C. Hemesath: That might be first preview before you get the actual It's true.

[54:42] Brian C. Hemesath: And it's not so bad for first preview, but you know, live television is not as much fun.

[54:48] Brian C. Hemesath: They tend to look down on you and not hire you back.

[54:52] Brian C. Hemesath: But it was great.

[54:53] Brian C. Hemesath: It worked out really well.

[54:54] Brian C. Hemesath: Um and uh I had actually done the year before with James Corden too, which was um uh a lot of fun and just sort of a different kind of um quick change mania.

[55:05] Brian C. Hemesath: Um but uh it it's good.

[55:07] Brian C. Hemesath: I really like it when when it works, it works like a dream.

[55:10] Brian C. Hemesath: When it doesn't work, it is painful.

[55:13] Brian C. Hemesath: You might get on a fail video on YouTube.

[55:15] Brian C. Hemesath: I know, it's it's it is painful.

[55:17] Brian C. Hemesath: But um, it lives on either way.

[55:19] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, it's true.

[55:20] Elliott Mattox: That's true.

[55:22] Brian C. Hemesath: So um, I yeah, I mean some of my favorite costumes that I've done are honeymoon. Like I'm really yeah happy with the Garden of Disappointed Mothers, all the crazy hilarious that happened. And um, where'd you get your Elvis research from? Do you just like Elvis? What's your favorite Elvis?

[55:40] Brian C. Hemesath: Well, you know, all those jumpsuits have names.

[55:41] Caleb Dicke: Oh no, I don't.

[55:42] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, the designer for them, uh, his name was Nudie, and so they call them nudie suits. Uh-huh. Um, but he did a lot of um celebrity uh clothing at that time that it wasn't all jumpsuits, but there were jackets and he really had quite a flair for um embellishing things in the way that those Elvis jumpsuits are done. Um, I'm pretty fond of the aloha. Um, but the Elvis that we did for David Joseph's burger, who was the lead Elvis there was um, was not actually true to research. We um, uh, you made it prettier, like I married two of them. Okay, Phoenix. Um, the cape. The cape has a Phoenix on it, but the front has a Phoenix on it as well. Uh-huh. And then the rest of the elbows are all in the Aloha Elvis, which is the eagle with the wings that swoop down.

Oh, sure. Um, so uh, we did it in the same color, and so he was sort of set up and he always lit up. Um, but uh, we didn't light up at the Marriott. Um, it requires a lot of um maintenance. They do a lot in those jumpsuits. They're jumping just out of a plane. They're sweating, they're sweating a lot. I mean, if you haven't seen it, you should go see it. Umriotha, at least October 15th. Dennis Jones' uh choreography for Higher Love is really pretty brilliant. Um, sorry. Um, the round too. I was like, I literally can't imagine it in the round. Um, Cole is playing the lead Elvis, which is good. Um, and he's pretty funny. Um, the Dennis also did the choreography for um Holly, which was nominated for a Tony S last year. It's pretty brilliant.

[57:27] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[57:28] Brian C. Hemesath: He just uh, I think all the cheetah river um outstanding uh dancers on Broadway.

[57:35] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, that's right.

[57:36] Caleb Dicke: Cheetah Wars for Monday, right?

[57:39] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, yeah.

[57:40] Caleb Dicke: So congrats to Holiday and all those Cheetah winners.

[57:42] Brian C. Hemesath: Yes. Speaking of snatching trophies, someone in this room has a trophy or two.

[57:49] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[57:50] Brian C. Hemesath: I do have a couple of trophies. Do you want to tell the people what those are and what they're for?

[57:55] Brian C. Hemesath: I have two Emmy Awards.

[57:57] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[57:58] Elliott Mattox: What does an Emmy Award look like?

[58:01] Brian C. Hemesath: The glow. Is it the woman holding the glove?

[58:03] Brian C. Hemesath: The woman holding it with the wings, yeah. She's very elegant. Are they on like a desk or a mantle? Or they're in home.

[58:08] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, I have the one that's in the city is um on a shelf above my desk. Um, I also have um, I was given the Irene Sheriff Young Master Awards. It's sitting right next to that, which is very nice. Um, the other is in my home in uh Long Island. So um, they live out there, you can come take your picture.

[58:36] Caleb Dicke: What was that?

[58:37] Brian C. Hemesath: Oh, please. They're very heavy.

[58:39] Caleb Dicke: They are very heavy because it's very heavy.

[58:41] Brian C. Hemesath: Yes, what was that? I mean, what was that like for you to work on something? And obviously, something like Sesame Street is important to a lot of people. A lot of people zoom up on it. It's an iconic thing. What was it like for you to be a part of that and to also get like a really high recognition for it?

[59:00] Brian C. Hemesath: I mean, it was pretty remarkable. It was my first season. Um, that I won the first award, which was great. It was uh, um, the episode that we turned in was called Camouflage Carla. It was Kira Sedgwick. Ooh. And she had to uh blend in with the surroundings. So we had to do uh like a suit that was painted uh to look like bricks, skin. And also to do like one that blended in with the one, two, three door, and there was one point where she had to disappear into the floor, into the cobblestone streets. We did sort of a cloak that was painted. Um, then we filmed it in reverse. Uh-huh. So that she started low and spun up, and then when they did it, they spun her out. Oh, um. And uh, she was in the arbor.

She had to sort of blend into this sort of idea. Um, it was fun. It was a great episode. Um, I am nominated with the Henson people because they do the puppets for the costumes well. Uh, costumes for the puppets. Um, and they of course always do a remarkable job. So um, it was uh, it was a good year. It was fun, and it is great to go every day that I get to go to that um space, especially when I could bring people who um have been watching it their whole lives and can bring their children and putting somebody into Big Bird's Nest is um something that a joy, yeah. Like and going to have your picture taken in Oscar's garbage can.

[1:00:36] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[1:00:37] Brian C. Hemesath: I mean, it's something that I get excited about even after nine seasons.

[1:00:42] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[1:00:43] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, I don't need to get into the garbage can anymore, but I have to get inside Snuffy.

[1:00:48] Caleb Dicke: Yes, amazing.

[1:00:49] Brian C. Hemesath: Snuffy is at the Snuffle Up, again.

[1:00:52] Caleb Dicke: Snuffle up, I guess he's the who he was.

[1:00:54] Brian C. Hemesath: No, he's uh orange and he's big birds.

[1:00:56] Caleb Dicke: Oh he looks a little bit like an elephant.

[1:00:59] Brian C. Hemesath: I never watched Sesame Street, I was more of a Mr. Rogers.

[1:01:02] Caleb Dicke: I met him and Big Bird.

[1:01:04] Brian C. Hemesath: Well, my sister would watch Elmo's world and we'll watch that together.

[1:01:08] Caleb Dicke: Okay.

[1:01:09] Brian C. Hemesath: I like that they're still showing Mr. Rogers.

[1:01:11] Caleb Dicke: It's good.

[1:01:12] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, I mean, it's been a couple years.

[1:01:15] Caleb Dicke: Not very long, Caleb.

[1:01:16] Caleb Dicke: Not very long.

[1:01:17] Brian C. Hemesath: I'm still a baby.

[1:01:19] Caleb Dicke: Pull that, pull that face.

[1:01:22] Brian C. Hemesath: Um. Should we play a game?

[1:01:25] Caleb Dicke: Let's play a game.

[1:01:26] Brian C. Hemesath: Okay. I'm really excited about this game.

[1:01:28] Caleb Dicke: Okay.

[1:01:28] Brian C. Hemesath: So, you know, Elliot is a musical wizard.

[1:01:32] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[1:01:33] Brian C. Hemesath: He knows a lot of musicals.

[1:01:34] Elliott Mattox: I do.

[1:01:35] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, you have to design musicals. Yeah. So there's gonna be a show on this card, and you need to ex um explain the show in costume design. And Elliot's gonna guess what it is. And he has no idea what it is.

[1:01:48] Brian C. Hemesath: Oh gosh, I hope I potential ideas. Oh that was blank, so let's think I'll realize. Oh great. There's a very hard one in here that I know Elia might get, but I don't know about how I would even design it, so.

[1:02:00] Caleb Dicke: Okay. One at a time. Should I time this?

[1:02:04] Brian C. Hemesath: Oh, and we don't need to time it.

[1:02:05] Caleb Dicke: Okay, yeah. We learned from Jackie Hoffman that five seconds is not enough.

[1:02:09] Brian C. Hemesath: No, that is enough time sometimes.

[1:02:10] Caleb Dicke: It's not, and that's we learn we moved on to ten seconds.

[1:02:13] Brian C. Hemesath: Okay, so let's wise. So we won't we won't time it. I'm quite excited to go for that one.

[1:02:18] Caleb Dicke: Go for that one.

[1:02:19] Brian C. Hemesath: You want me to hand them to you? And the one you have.

[1:02:22] Caleb Dicke: Start him out.

[1:02:23] Brian C. Hemesath: Start me out. Is it easier? Does it get harder?

[1:02:24] Caleb Dicke: Oh, this one's easy. You guys are gonna be great. Um, there's a lot of people in suits.

[1:02:31] Brian C. Hemesath: Okay.

[1:02:32] Caleb Dicke: Um, they have to get into pirate costumes.

[1:02:35] Brian C. Hemesath: How to succeed in this is not really trying to.

[1:02:37] Caleb Dicke: He's so small.

[1:02:38] Brian C. Hemesath: You're so smart. Make it work.

[1:02:42] Caleb Dicke: Oh, this. You have to roller skate everywhere in this.

[1:02:46] Brian C. Hemesath: And you do?

[1:02:47] Caleb Dicke: Uh no, but you roll the skate up and all over the set.

[1:02:50] Brian C. Hemesath: And uh Starlight Express.

[1:02:54] Caleb Dicke: You guys are too smart.

[1:02:55] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah. Oh, this one you have. Um, it's not really going to have um yes.

[1:03:04] Caleb Dicke: I'm not going fast enough.

[1:03:06] Brian C. Hemesath: No, please. This is uh Michael Jackson and um The Wiz.

[1:03:12] Caleb Dicke: Yes. That didn't help you with costumes at all.

[1:03:15] Brian C. Hemesath: So I'll say that fun fact afterwards. Okay, this is a whole lot of show girls and their younger selves.

[1:03:22] Caleb Dicke: Oh, Follies.

[1:03:23] Brian C. Hemesath: That was the most expensive show produced at its time.

[1:03:26] Caleb Dicke: Follies.

[1:03:27] Brian C. Hemesath: And they didn't make the money back.

[1:03:28] Caleb Dicke: No.

[1:03:29] Brian C. Hemesath: I learned that from Help Prince on Brock, Prince of Broadway. Go see it. A former winner of Merch Madness.

[1:03:36] Caleb Dicke: Yes. This one takes place in um Berlin and uh cabaret.

[1:03:43] Brian C. Hemesath: Yes. You guys are doing so long, and we're gonna we have to sell them all up.

[1:03:48] Caleb Dicke: Okay, this one is currently playing.

[1:03:50] Brian C. Hemesath: Okay.

[1:03:51] Caleb Dicke: And it is all about your skin regimen now.

[1:03:55] Brian C. Hemesath: Wicked.

[1:03:55] Caleb Dicke: No, it's gonna be about how to make yourself more beautiful.

[1:03:59] Brian C. Hemesath: But you are going to be.

[1:04:01] Caleb Dicke: Okay, so the costumes are going to be um very pink.

[1:04:06] Brian C. Hemesath: Pink.

[1:04:08] Caleb Dicke: More paint.

[1:04:11] Brian C. Hemesath: Costumes. Focus on costumes.

[1:04:14] Caleb Dicke: Oh, okay. You have to have a great big ball gown and dance around with um a barefoot man.

[1:04:15] Brian C. Hemesath: A barefoot man.

[1:04:21] Caleb Dicke: Beauty and the different barefoot man that um has nothing.

[1:04:25] Brian C. Hemesath: Oh, the king and I transformed.

[1:04:26] Caleb Dicke: Yes. Okay, this one is gonna get you. Um, I'm hoping this one's gonna be harder.

[1:04:31] Brian C. Hemesath: Okay.

[1:04:34] Caleb Dicke: Yes!

[1:04:35] Brian C. Hemesath: Okay. Well, this one you have to um, you have to sort of live through the ages in clothing.

[1:04:46] Caleb Dicke: And uh, this it's the second act. You all have to come out of a coffin.

[1:04:52] Brian C. Hemesath: Um to live through the ages in clothing, and we all have to come out of a coffin.

[1:04:58] Caleb Dicke: You come out of a coffin, you also have to drink blood.

[1:05:03] Brian C. Hemesath: And it was very short-lived on Broadway. Costumes, costumes.

[1:05:07] Caleb Dicke: Um yes, very short-lived.

[1:05:09] Brian C. Hemesath: Is there a young girl in it?

[1:05:10] Caleb Dicke: Um, there is a young girl in it.

[1:05:12] Brian C. Hemesath: Wearing a yellow dress.

[1:05:14] Caleb Dicke: No.

[1:05:14] Brian C. Hemesath: Well, she was a don't chastise me, I'm a child, because it's Lestat.

[1:05:19] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[1:05:20] Brian C. Hemesath: Damn.

[1:05:21] Caleb Dicke: Wow!

[1:05:22] Brian C. Hemesath: That video of her singing I want more.

[1:05:25] Caleb Dicke: I thought that was that was my.

[1:05:26] Brian C. Hemesath: I have a Lestat shirt.

[1:05:28] Caleb Dicke: I know, but I I have one.

[1:05:30] Brian C. Hemesath: How?

[1:05:30] Caleb Dicke: It says it says um die young live forever on the back.

[1:05:35] Brian C. Hemesath: That was very good though. Do you want to know how I got it?

[1:05:37] Caleb Dicke: Yes, round of applause. That was great.

[1:05:38] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah. Um, I get it because Theater Circle, the merch store on 45th Street, has uh in the back room, they have bookshelves, that is their clearance section.

[1:05:50] Caleb Dicke: Why?

[1:05:51] Brian C. Hemesath: And they always have like older show shirts. And and and not they're not always older, but like sometimes you find some really random shit.

[1:05:57] Caleb Dicke: Is it Broadway Fleet coming up pretty soon?

[1:06:00] Brian C. Hemesath: It is at the end of the month. And I'm gonna be selling some of my stuff.

[1:06:02] Caleb Dicke: Okay somewhere.

[1:06:04] Brian C. Hemesath: I don't know. I have to donate it. I'm sure we have to have his own booth. We have two shows that that day, so Charlie isn't participating.

[1:06:11] Caleb Dicke: Ugh.

[1:06:12] Brian C. Hemesath: But I'm gonna donate it. I'm gonna bring it up to the equity building and and donate it.

[1:06:17] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[1:06:21] Brian C. Hemesath: I hope so. Or maybe better.

[1:06:21] Caleb Dicke: Not young people, anyway.

[1:06:23] Brian C. Hemesath: And maybe some old queens.

[1:06:24] Caleb Dicke: Exactly. I don't know. My stuff is good.

[1:06:28] Brian C. Hemesath: It is good. But that Lestat shirt is not going anywhere.

[1:06:32] Caleb Dicke: No.

[1:06:33] Brian C. Hemesath: Damn. I knew yeah, I knew you would get Lestat. I just like wolf killer. We have to check and see if it's a yellow dress.

[1:06:40] Caleb Dicke: I can't remember if it is. It was a long time ago, but it was a very short-lived. Very. Very.

[1:06:44] Brian C. Hemesath: But she wants more.

[1:06:47] Caleb Dicke: I mean, wasn't it all sort of at the same time as um Dance of the Vampires?

[1:06:47] Brian C. Hemesath: Dance of the Vampires.

[1:06:53] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, there's a big season.

[1:06:55] Brian C. Hemesath: Yes. And then Dracula 2.

[1:06:58] Caleb Dicke: Now I that Dracula, if you've never seen it, has a similar dress reveal to the frozen?

[1:07:07] Brian C. Hemesath: The pole.

[1:07:08] Caleb Dicke: Are we talking Kelly O'Hara Dracula?

[1:07:10] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, where she was where she was naked. Yes. And there was a tiny little hole in the middle in the in that floor.

[1:07:16] Caleb Dicke: And they pulled that dress right through that.

[1:07:19] Brian C. Hemesath: So cool. It looks so cool. It was amazing.

[1:07:22] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. We love quick changes.

[1:07:27] Brian C. Hemesath: Well, um, I think that's it. Thank you, Brian. We had so much fun.

[1:07:30] Brian C. Hemesath: Thank you.

[1:07:31] Caleb Dicke: That was so fun.

[1:07:32] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah. Um, do you like social media? Do you want to plug yourself at all?

[1:07:34] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, where can the people find you if they'd like to follow you?

[1:07:38] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah. Um, I only do Instagram.

[1:07:40] Caleb Dicke: Great.

[1:07:40] Brian C. Hemesath: Yeah, of course, I like the visual.

[1:07:42] Caleb Dicke: Yes, yes, only Instagram.

[1:07:43] Brian C. Hemesath: Um, and Brian Z Hansel.

[1:07:46] Caleb Dicke: Okay. Great. You can follow uh the show at Equity One Podcast on Instagram and Facebook and at Equity One underscore on Twitter. Please email us.

[1:07:56] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, so for some feedback. Um, you can follow me at Caleb Dicke.

[1:08:02] Elliott Mattox: And I am at Elliot Maddox, and until next time, cheers guys.

[1:08:06] Caleb Dicke: Cheers.

[1:08:07] Brian C. Hemesath: Cheers.

[1:08:08] Elliott Mattox: Clink, click.

[1:08:08] Brian C. Hemesath: It's not paper click doing it.

[1:08:27] Can you tell me how to get out to get to Sister Street?

[1:08:37] Everything ain't okay.

[1:08:47] Can you tell me how to get out to get to session stream?

[1:08:53] How to get to session stream?