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[0:04] Elliott Mattox: We'll take a glass together. And we will lift it up to the good one. And as we're lifting it, we will motion chilly shiny. We'll take a glass together. This is Equity One, Broadway's Happy Hour. For yourself a drink, enjoy us as we chat about life, theater, and everything in between. I'm Elliott Mattox.

[0:30] Caleb Dicke: And I'm Caleb Dicke. Join us for your Equity One. Cheers.

[0:38] Guests: Cheers! Cheers! Yeah! Link. Love that sound.

[0:43] Elliott Mattox: Welcome to this episode of Equity One, Broadway's Happy Hour. We haven't had one of those in a while. We've been in our mini series.

[0:52] Caleb Dicke: Mini series.

[0:53] Elliott Mattox: But we have a really exciting episode for all of you today. We have our dear friends here, actual dear friends from long time, to talk about some exciting stuff going on in their lives from Intermission Cellars. We have Kristin Piro and David R. Gordon. And we have our friend Katie Webber. Kristin Piro. Just for all the listeners, married.

[1:16] Caleb Dicke: I feel like I get David Piro more than she gets Kristin Gordon.

[1:19] Elliott Mattox: So there's that. I'm okay with it. And uh Katie Webber. Uh and we are so excited to sit here and talk about wine.

[1:28] Guests: Yeah. Welcome to the club. We love wine. We're drinking some now. Um do you want to tell us what we're what we're drinking right now?

[1:36] Kristin Piro: Yeah, so we are drinking Mama Rosé. Very exciting. This is our first artist series wine with Katie Webber. Um, and this is a this wine is made from a petite Syrah. So it's uh it's a Provence style uh rosé. It's bright, it's crisp, it's the beautiful most beautiful color I've ever seen. It's your Roger Dreams.

[1:54] David R. Gordon: It truly is. Um but uh what Provence style means is just basically a nice high acid, which is a good thing. We want that. We want that to be crisp. We want it to be uh paired with poolside or with these great dishes that we can cook uh with. We we um uh love to make wine with food in mind, all of our wines.

[2:12] Kristin Piro: Yes, um, and it's just it's there's it's more of like a fresh fruit, it's more like a um what do we keep saying? A white peach. Um and you get this kind of apricot feeling, stone fruit, if you will, uh, but just bright, crisp, and frickin' delicious, right?

[2:27] Guests: Oh my god. Amen.

[2:28] David R. Gordon: Yeah, I I live for this wine because it's rosé, and I want my rosé light and bright, and you know, just just that I feel like whoever's listening to this, you know exactly what I mean.

[2:41] Kristin Piro: Yes, exactly. It is the dream rosé. Um and but it's not like rosé water, it has flavor.

[2:50] David R. Gordon: Uh-huh. Um, it is my absolutely hands down my favorite rosé. I I have a problem. I can't stop drinking.

[2:56] Kristin Piro: It's not a problem. It's a good problem.

[3:00] David R. Gordon: Yeah, it's really anyway. That's what we're drinking right now. I'm gonna take a sip right now.

[3:03] Guests: Yes, yes.

[3:06] Kristin Piro: It is a beautiful color. It's not diluted at all.

[3:10] David R. Gordon: Like, yeah.

[3:11] Kristin Piro: The color was super, that was honestly when we started chatting. I was like, the color, it needs to be that.

[3:17] David R. Gordon: Yeah, I mean, very specific.

[3:19] Kristin Piro: Yeah, because you know when you're in the you know when you're in the liquor store, when you're anywhere, when they pour you a taste of something, that's the first thing. You're like, no, that's not gonna do.

[3:28] David R. Gordon: Yeah, you know, if it's like fluorescent pink, you're like, oh no.

[3:31] Kristin Piro: Yeah, yeah. So when you see that color, and I again, I know you know what I'm talking about. Um, it is that color. It's so delicious. And we worked hard on that color, and and it's all about a uh a process um in wine, especially we don't add anything to our wines. We that everything is organic and sustainably grown, everything is like thought out, and everything is organic. We just don't pay for that stamp, so we can't put it on there.

[3:56] David R. Gordon: But um, but no, and and we worked hard on the color because it's all about soaking the skins. Um, and so it's an amount of how long or how you know, and we took it off pretty early and we kept being like, let's check it now. And then we'd put them on for again. And then we took, you know, it was uh we we were very particular about this, and I think it paid off.

[4:12] Kristin Piro: Yeah, this is a grown and sexy wine.

[4:14] David R. Gordon: Yeah, yeah.

[4:15] Kristin Piro: And we will talk so much wine soon. We're gonna get nerdy.

[4:19] David R. Gordon: I know.

[4:20] Kristin Piro: I'm ready. I'm like, I'm like already warm.

[4:23] David R. Gordon: Yes, that's right.

[4:25] Kristin Piro: I know your glasses are fogging up.

[4:26] David R. Gordon: They really are. Well, it's because we keep the AC on in this house. This is a this is a cold house. No matter what.

[4:32] Kristin Piro: Um a little wine, and I, you know, I'm running out of contact, so the glasses are getting more weird these days.

[4:40] David R. Gordon: Yes, exactly.

[4:41] Elliott Mattox: Elliott is legit like wiping his glasses off on his shirt.

[4:48] Elliott Mattox: I'm sweating. Well, you know, full disclosure, this is my first glass of alcohol today, okay? So please expose me on my own podcast.

[4:55] Guests: Oh my god.

[4:56] Elliott Mattox: We're just all pros over here. At least it's exactly at least it's on brand.

[4:59] Guests: Yes.

[5:00] Elliott Mattox: Um, well, we like to start off each podcast by asking our guests what first got them interested in the arts when they were a young person. So I think what we'll do is we'll start with Katie and we'll just go down the line here. So Katie.

[5:13] Katie Webber: Awesome. Um, I I feel I talk too much, first of all. Uh, sorry. It's an audio medium, so it's a few years.

[5:19] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, okay, okay, okay.

[5:20] Katie Webber: But I started a dance class, you know. You know, I started dance when I was three. My big sister was in dance, and I was like, Well, then I want to do dance. And I just I'm a Libra Scorpio. And so I'm just a competitive ass fist.

[5:36] Guests: You can swear.

[5:40] Katie Webber: Um and I just I just started in dance and I loved it and I wanted to be the best, and I just worked real, real hard. And my dance teacher said, Well, if you want to be a dancer, then you need to also be a singer. So I was like, well, then sign me up for singing, mom, thank you. And I got into singing, and it was really just like it's hard to answer like what got me into it, because I feel like uh it's just I feel like I didn't really have a choice. And not just because it was like inherently in me to do this, I never even thought about doing anything else.

[6:15] Katie Webber: And you know, I have a very supportive family, and they just jumped along for the ride. And um, and then my mom a jerk, you know, I went to um I went to college for dance. I I really thought I would be like a Madonna backup dancer. That was my name. Uh Janet Madonna, something like that. I'm I'm I'm old. Um but uh and then my mom major after college, she was like, There's an audition for Wicked happening, you know, you should go. And I'm like, because I needed to move out. I was like, I'm done. She's like, you really should go.

[6:48] Katie Webber: Yeah, I was like 24, 25, and she she's like, You need to move out of the house. Like, here's an audition. And then we I went in LA to like an open call, and and long story short, I booked Wicked, and then and then I was I I got that paycheck and I was real interested in the arts.

[7:04] Elliott Mattox: Oh sure.

[7:06] Katie Webber: Oh my gosh. Sorry. Interested in that career in the arts.

[7:10] Guests: Yeah, yeah, yes, honey.

[7:11] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[7:12] Caleb Dicke: Yeah.

[7:12] Katie Webber: Pierre, what about you?

[7:14] Kristin Piro: Yeah.

[7:14] David R. Gordon: So kind of similarly, like I can't really remember a time when I did anything else. And I feel like when you start that young, it's just it's because you need to be doing it. Like in my town, the dance studios didn't take you till you were three. And at two, I was bouncing off the walls.

[7:32] Kristin Piro: Right.

[7:32] David R. Gordon: And like dancing on tables and nothing's really changed. But just like my mom was like, we have to drive further and put her in a someplace that takes you at two. And you know, two is like intro to movement. It's not like really dancing, but it was like honed in energy. Um and I started doing that then and then started taking voice lessons when I was nine because I was like, oh, well, just dancing is a little boring, and I want to like do musicals and like do shows and um and that I auditioned for my first musical, Aladdin. I thought I was gonna be Jasmine, but there were adults. I was 10, and I was like, Oh, I'm definitely I was a dancing monkey. I did get the job, but it was, you know, not what I thought it was gonna be.

[8:12] Kristin Piro: Um, but I also grew up in Jersey, so I was very close to New York, so I was able to like have access to seeing shows and seeing dance companies, and I would take the bus in starting at like 14, you know, to by myself to come take dance class, and it was it was just I never thought twice about doing anything else. Like I don't even think I took the SATs, honestly. Like everybody's go thinking about college, and I was like, oh no, I'm going straight to New York. And because I had the you know accessibility of being so close, I would go to auditions and started auditioning for things when I was 17 because my dad was like, why don't you go see like what the real world is? Like maybe you're the best in howl, but like what about everybody else?

[8:52] David R. Gordon: So I started doing that, and I was like, Yeah, you're right. Let's see how I stand up to it. And started getting offers, but my mom didn't want me to leave high school because she was like, if you're not going to go to college, because you could you please just walk in some graduation. Get some diploma.

[9:06] Kristin Piro: And then it timing-wise worked out that I wound up getting Saturday Night Fever when I was 18 and did the tour and put it into my contract that I would have the day off to work, I mean to walk in my high school graduation.

[9:17] Guests: Amazing.

[9:19] David R. Gordon: Yeah, I know.

[9:20] Elliott Mattox: And I was pissed.

[9:21] David R. Gordon: I was so pissed because everybody was like learning the mega mix that day, and I was like, oh, I don't want to go do this. I want to be there learning it. Like I remember it was I was so torn. But I guess I'm glad that I walked in graduation. I don't know.

[9:36] Kristin Piro: Um, and thankfully it's been pretty consistent since, and I've you know, done great things and met great people along the way.

[9:43] Elliott Mattox: What was it like being 18 on the road?

[9:46] David R. Gordon: Um, it was like my college, I guess. Like it was awesome. A lot of the people were like freshly or like two or three years out of college. They were a little bit older than me.

[9:56] Elliott Mattox: Um, I loved it.

[9:58] David R. Gordon: It was not we actually opened in Atlantic City, which is 45 minutes from my parents' place. So my grandparents, my family, there was buses. You had 67 people there. Yes, I every night. My grandmother would bring me lasagna every Friday for the whole cast for the whole weekend.

[10:13] Guests: Yes, my gosh.

[10:14] David R. Gordon: My parents bought me a fridge for the hotel because they were like, Well, you gotta eat. What's going on? You can't live in a hotel. And I was like, that's what tour is.

[10:24] Elliott Mattox: So yeah.

[10:25] Elliott Mattox: I'm always fascinated with people that like live close to the city. Like, what when you came into the city, what was the first show you like remember being like, oh my god, when you were like coming into the city regularly?

[10:34] David R. Gordon: The first show I saw was Beauty and the Beast.

[10:39] Kristin Piro: Me too.

[10:40] David R. Gordon: And I was I'm from California. We got we have a lot to thank then.

[10:44] Kristin Piro: That was one of my first two.

[10:45] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[10:45] Elliott Mattox: I'm back gets hurry up.

[10:47] David R. Gordon: Um I don't know. I guess I was mesmerized by it, but then I saw Fosse. I saw I saw that like seven times. And like I would then go back multiple times. And I remember everybody was having sweet 16s. Like that was their, you know, like big parties in Jersey. And my mom's like, Are we gonna do this? And I was like, no, I want to go into the city with my best friend, and I want to see Thoroughly Modern Millie, and I want to eat at Carmines, and I want to stay overnight in the city.

[11:14] Guests: And that's what I did.

[11:15] David R. Gordon: And it was like it was. And it costs the same amount of money.

[11:21] Kristin Piro: It did.

[11:21] David R. Gordon: That is so amazing.

[11:23] Elliott Mattox: David, what about you?

[11:24] David R. Gordon: I um I was not like you two ladies. I uh I wanted nothing to do with theater growing up. Uh I I grew up in a very artistic family in Los Angeles, and I uh my mom played the piano growing up, I grew up with pianos. I my grandmother was the director at the local JCC, and uh like everyone was in my sister all artists, and I was just wanted to like skateboard and pogo stick and uh and do everything and anything but theater, and then oh it's so cliche. Uh but a girl asked me to audition for the uh the school play, and I was like, uh, okay. And so I went to the audition, it was your good man Charlie Brown, and I sat in the back of the auditorium and I walked out. I never auditioned, and my mom was like, Come on, you can't go to a thing that you've you've never opened your mouth to sing. You can't like expect to just feel good about singing in front of a bunch of people.

[12:15] Kristin Piro: And so I um I left. She put me in a a voice lesson, and it was in like the neighboring town because I didn't want anyone at school to know it was like so like not cool.

[12:26] David R. Gordon: I who am I? Uh little did I know theater was the coolest thing ever and that music director or that music teacher was uh she was like, Hey, I'm directing Bye Bye Birdie in another town, and I was like, How far is it? And uh she was like it's far enough, don't worry. And I ended up getting one of Mr. McAfee in Bye Bye Birdie.

[12:46] Guests: Yes, a starry role started right away.

[12:50] David R. Gordon: And um it was kind of I was hooked, obviously, and like I little did I know I became like me. I like finally was I was very lost before, and uh in that sense of just knowing who I was, and like I I just became me.

[13:03] David R. Gordon: I was all of a sudden I had this confidence, I had this whole like new meaning of life, and it was a very cool thing because I played catch up. I was doing every like children's theater, every like regional theater that I possibly could. So when I went to school, I originally thought I was I wanted to be like a radio television and film like producer and stuff because I loved editing and stuff, and so I went to school for that, quickly changed into uh theater, and then I actually left because I got a tour really early on.

[13:28] Kristin Piro: So it was like one of those things I always say that I finished my education on the road as well.

[13:32] David R. Gordon: Yeah, which is diploma of life.

[13:35] Kristin Piro: That's right, that's right. Um, but yeah, I mean, I wouldn't trade it for the world at this point.

[13:40] Caleb Dicke: Well, and you know, what's interesting, I think we find this common thread a lot with our guests of like thinking about maybe doing one thing and then you kind of go another path, and then if you kind of just be yourself and follow your interests and do what you want to do, you do what you ended up wanting to do it just in a completely different way. You're talking about you wanted to like produce and like make and like be at the head of it, and now here you are. You all just came out with your company. Like that is kind of a full circle thing, and in a way, did you expect it to kind of happen like that? Or first of all, let's applaud that transition. That was so good, Elliott.

[14:21] Elliott Mattox: Hey, that transition right there.

[14:25] Kristin Piro: Um, yes, I definitely I always knew that I wanted to own a business. I started a skateboard company when I was thirteen.

[14:30] David R. Gordon: Oh, I started a still sound.

[14:33] Kristin Piro: Theory. Um, I didn't know that there was a like a big famous line called Theory.

[14:37] David R. Gordon: Uh-huh.

[14:37] Kristin Piro: We thought we were really cool, theory products. It was one day it will come back. Um, and then I started a videography company when I was 18. I just always wanted to be like a boss. I don't know. I always wanted to actually, it was more than that. It was I always wanted to have something, like to like be like, that's mine. Look at that. And you know, as artists, we've always done that as ourselves. We are the thing. We are that product. And so, um, I kind of always knew that I wanted to have something. I didn't know it was gonna be wine, that's for sure. Um, and now I like I know it's early to say this, but I could not imagine my life without like this wine company, which is so cool. But both things, you know, the arts, anybody who's involved in the arts, it has to be passion driven.

Right. You know, uh unless you're in Wicked making a ton of money. It's typically not not every contract is gonna be exactly the stability that you realize you want as you get older, or you know, it's it's because you love it and you can't imagine doing anything else. And then when you find something else like this wine company that is passion driven, you know what is success to people, who knows? But you succeed because you love it.

[15:43] David R. Gordon: Yeah, yeah. And and as long as I feel like I mean, we clearly pick jobs that are not huge money makers, but you know, but are driven by our love for it.

[15:53] Kristin Piro: Yeah, and that feels good.

[15:55] David R. Gordon: Yeah. Most people buy a winery because they're wealthy.

[15:58] Kristin Piro: Yeah.

[15:59] David R. Gordon: We are trying to buy a winery to be a trying to ensure wine to get wealthy. But no, um, you know, I always say like wine and and theater are incredibly parallel, uh, in the sense that yes, they're passion-driven, but we're taking we're gonna go on a little journey for a second. So take a look at the same thing. So we take our yeah, um, we take our our past, right? Let's talk about the grapes for a second. So we literally were working on these grapes all year long, we're tending to them, we're making sure that the leaves fall perfectly to shade them. Like there's a lot that goes into harvest them. But we're working on them, we're honing though their skills. Then we pick them, we create this beautiful wine, we bottle it all up, and then we like wait to kind of open that bottle for this wonderful night to kind of hope hopefully to like make a like someone to be changed or moved is the word I'm looking for.

Uh to create a moment is what I'm trying to say. And as actors, we're doing the same thing. We take our past, we kind of like you know, hone those in therapy uh through all these things, we bottle it all up, and then we kind of like save it for that moment. Hopefully it's on stage where we get to like kind of give this performance to hopefully make a change or move someone. Um, and it's really wildly parallel. And when we started to get into this wine industry, uh everyone in it is is an artist, and they're all passion-driven people. And so we would start talking, and before you know it, they were like, Oh, yeah, I did theater when I was a kid, or oh yeah, I was an artist. I paint on the weekends, I do this. Like everyone in it, it's so parallel.

[17:35] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Well, there's something you're I mean, there's something like romantic and like about about food, about wine, about those kinds of things. And I feel like, you know, as artists, we're like those bohemian spirits. We like really dig into those things that are, you know, there's fantasy, there's like mood, there's all these things that aren't just like things on paper that like we're creating a kind of environment. And that's such a huge part of it. I mean, you know, Katie, what you do with food and what you do with wine, and like all of these things like really come together and make sense as artists.

[18:11] Kristin Piro: Yeah. And Kristin actually says this beautifully about the opening bottle of wine and how it changes and go for it.

[18:16] David R. Gordon: Oh, yeah. No, it's just it's and you don't really realize this until you're very close to the process. Like I'm was usually just drinking the wine and enjoying the socializing of it and being with friends, but when you're very close to it during like the crush and during picking the grapes and then bottling, and you realize that it's like it's a living breathing thing. So it changes every time you take a sip, every time you leave the bottle open, every time you have something to eat and then taste it again, it's constantly changing. The cork in it is a living thing, which also adds to the flavor. It's never the same thing twice. And your palate changes. So something you like this year might be different than something you like next year, or the next vintage.

You know, a lot of our wines, they're gonna be different each year, even if it's the same Zin, it could taste a little different because that's the way the grapes are expressing themselves, and that it should be that way. And I say it's it feels kind of like theater. It's what I love about theater or the arts. It's that it's never the same show twice.

[19:20] Kristin Piro: Yeah. You can't perform the same show twice, and typically, when you try to, it's like your worst performance because you're trying to replicate a moment instead of it just being genuine. And as an audience member, you never experience the same show twice. Your day is different. You had a crappy subway ride, or you had a great afternoon, or a great coffee, and then you go see the show and your mood is different. You'll notice things differently. Like you're never gonna feel it's gonna move you differently every time. And I feel like it's the same thing about wine. It's so fun to me that that's so parallel. And it took us a while to like really dive in and sit, like to sit down and say, why do we love this so much? Sure. I mean, yes, getting drunk is fun, but like why else do we love it? And when we like listed it out, I was like, this is why, because it's so similar.

[20:11] Caleb Dicke: So how did you decide on these specific um types of wines then? Because like each one is a different uh moment or uh taste and idea. Like, how did you uh narrow it down to these specific ones?

[20:24] David R. Gordon: So when this whole thing started, um the pandemic started. We both were doing shows and we're in the city, and we both I don't sit well, I don't sit idly well, you know, like well, and so we both had gotten COVID, we both recovered, thankfully, and we both were like, Well, what are we doing now? And there was a theater company out in Sonoma that we have gone to eight years in a row. And Sonoma has a very specific type of fruit that they grow out there, lots of different varietals and things like that. But every time I went out there, I was kind of like getting in with different winemakers. This theater was sponsored by 30 different wineries, so we were in that like, area of the country. Yeah, exactly.

And everybody there in one way or another is involved in the wine industry. Yeah, so you meet all walks of life and it's fascinating. And so when we went, I actually originally went out there because I applied for a bunch of internships in winemaking, and I was like, Well, I'm never gonna have this time again. Uh so let's do it. So we literally drove across country and in the middle of the pandemic and got there in three or four days because we were staying with elderly people, so we didn't want to like bring the virus with us and blah blah blah. So we got there, and the place that I got my internship, they specialize in some really great blends, and then also Zinfandel, as well as Syrah Rosé.

Well, if you look at our wines, they are those exact. Um, so it was one of those things that I just kind of fell in love because I saw his passion behind a lot of it. Um, and you know, our Zin, we of course made all of them with our style and our stamp on them. But um, for instance, our Syrah Rosé, you know, it the vineyard that we use used to be a blackberry farm. And so we uh I told our um our supervising winemaker, um, because I actually got to make the white uh our front row, um, as well as our made you blush rosé, as well as Katie's Mama Rosé. Um, and then we did two blends because our two reds are a little bit older, so we were able to blend those from wine that had already been created.

Um, but uh going back, um the Syrah Vineyard, for instance, like we had gone out to the grapes and we had tried them, and I said, Wow, there's this really like juiciness to it, and I really like it. And he's like, Great, so maybe we should use these as your rosé. Uh, and I said, Well, I want that crisp like brightness, and he's like, Great, so we're gonna pick them earlier. Like, everything was like he asked, and or I would say I like this, and he would respond with how to do it. And so um, I wanted it to be dry, a hundred percent dry, like not sweet. But then when we were making it, all of a sudden this beautiful like juiciness came, and I was like, Wait, wait, wait, that's not that's I I don't want it to be sweet, and he's like, It's not sweet, it's the fruit at your tasting.

It's a hundred percent dry. I can show you all the measurements. Like it was one of those things, and so that fell into place with that. So again, we always say with our made you blush is it's like a hundred percent dry, but it's juicy. Um it gets that it's almost like that black bear. We like to think the roots when they planted the vineyard 15 years ago, they found each other back down there because blackberries are so difficult to get rid of. But um, but yeah, so it's like this complete like a Provence style, but it has this juiciness, this blackberry note to it, uh watermelon. And then with our Zin, Zin is like the most misunderstood grape, but in California they know how to do it. And so uh with I was like, I want to show people what Zinfandel is.

And you know, all of our wines are thirty dollars and under, and we did that as a on purpose. We wanted our friends to be able to taste them, and we realized that $30 is still not a $12 bottle of wine, but like our the value to our wine. So let's go over our Zinfandel, uh, for instance. We use two different vineyards and we blended five percent cab with it uh to kind of round out the palate. But we uh that those wines that if we were to break them down like to those two different vineyards, some of those winemakers that are using the that same everyone uses the same vineyards, we just contract a certain amount. Uh-huh. Right. Um, and then we make it in our own style. And so they're making those wines and selling them for like 75 and 85 bucks. We're selling ours for 28 dollars. We just want artists to be able to taste good wine.

[24:14] Caleb Dicke: We want to be yeah, go ahead.

[24:16] David R. Gordon: Yeah, 20 buck chuck all the time.

[24:17] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, yeah. Well, and what you're saying too is like, you know, it's a matter of like, you know, when we're consumers, right? We decide like what we're consuming and why, right? So like if I'm making if I'm making like a sangria, I'm obviously not gonna use exactly beautiful wine. But if I'm having a special night, like going to the theater or something like that, like if you want to make something special, like a moment, like you're saying, why you do it, then you know, that's a reasonable wine. I have to say, has this like magicalness about it that you you can drink the So I've done this, but you can drink the whole bottle by yourself. No, but you you know, it really is like a great bottle of wine to sit with a loved one, a friend, a partner, somebody, and connect and and keep and keep pouring the glasses when you're like, I really want another glass of wine.

It's like keep pouring it because you wake up the next morning because it is so well crafted and it is organically farmed, and they don't add sugar to the wine, and you wake up the next day and and you're like, well, shit, I feel great. Yeah, you know, it's not that like oh, I drank it too much cheap wine, like feel clear.

[25:39] Kristin Piro: Yeah, yeah.

[25:39] David R. Gordon: So, like any scent that you put toward this wine is like is creating a positive experience for you and a good memory, and um, and I just I love that about it.

[25:53] Kristin Piro: Yeah, it's definitely like a clean wine, if you will.

[25:57] David R. Gordon: Yeah, it's very low sulfites and low histamines too, which is what people are typically intolerant to or scent to. Sulfites are what cause you like have to have a headache, headache, hangover. Some people get really flushed or like ready ears. This typically won't do that. I mean, everybody's different and their tolerance is different, but the numbers that we keep are very, very low, so that it shouldn't do that to you.

[26:18] Kristin Piro: Yeah, and that's why you can wake up feeling like a hundred percent.

[26:22] David R. Gordon: Normal, yeah.

[26:23] Caleb Dicke: Well, and we know we know a little just very little about wine. From our friends uh Tannen and Sister.

[26:28] Kristin Piro: A sister podcast.

[26:29] David R. Gordon: Oh, cool.

[26:29] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. About a little bit.

[26:31] Kristin Piro: Yeah.

[26:34] David R. Gordon: And we would chat about it.

[26:35] Kristin Piro: Yeah, that's fine. But she taught us a lot about it. But for you when you're talking about the Syrah and the um Zin, those are names of grapes, right? So you're that's where wines get their names, if you didn't know.

[26:46] David R. Gordon: Yes.

[26:46] Kristin Piro: Correct.

[26:47] David R. Gordon: Absolutely right.

[26:48] Kristin Piro: From the grapes.

[26:49] David R. Gordon: Yes. And then there's all these different ways to like dissect and kind of like look at these wines in terms of kind of the experience that you have tasting them.

[27:03] David R. Gordon: So will you talk us through the experience of like so you have you have four wines in your ensemble collection, right?

[27:10] Kristin Piro: Correct.

[27:10] David R. Gordon: And then uh Katie's guest artist wine.

[27:13] Kristin Piro: Yep.

[27:14] David R. Gordon: Um, so talk about the process of when you were going through it, like based on obviously what vineyards were there, but then kind of the blends and the process of getting from grape to bottle.

[27:27] Kristin Piro: And being being like new, because I remember following when you know checking in with each everyone on Instagram during the pandemic, it's like I was like, oh my god, amazing. Like you're starting this internship, this wine company, and then you have a wine company uh a year later. Like facts with that.

[27:45] David R. Gordon: Yes, no way. I mean, so talk about what that must have been a whirlwind, and Kristin, you're not having that internship, so uh what was it like?

[27:54] Kristin Piro: I know, I was just drinking and watching.

[27:58] David R. Gordon: No, she has learned an unbelievable thing. Kristin had a lot to say.

[28:01] Kristin Piro: If I if I can tell you, believe me, hello. Um well, I because David got that internship and went out there, you know, we went obviously together, and I was like just along for the ride, and then I started working in a tasting room out there.

[28:18] Kristin Piro: And by doing that, which is let me tell you, so fun and basically just acting. You're like, another one to taste. Like I will do my best.

[28:27] David R. Gordon: She was like the top seller in the first two weeks. They were like, Can we make you the tasting room manager?

[28:30] Kristin Piro: And I was like, Oh, this is temporary. I don't want to do that. Please.

[28:37] Kristin Piro: But it was just, you know, it's it's being with people and making again creating a moment and a memory, and they're gonna remember their wine tasting with their family or their husband or their wife, and you know, so it was really fun to me. But by doing that, I learned so much about each wine that was on the list.

[28:53] Kristin Piro: And this winery has about 60 different wines.

[28:56] David R. Gordon: Wow.

[28:56] Kristin Piro: So we would only have five or six on the tasting menu, but then they have two thousand wine club members, so all those shipments are gonna be all different wines, and they have a lot to choose from. So I learned a ton.

[29:06] David R. Gordon: You had to taste everything.

[29:09] Kristin Piro: I had to. It was a rule for one of the dance. Being the dance captain that she was on the way out there, we were like driving and I was running all these flashcards because I was like, I don't know a lot of this stuff.

[29:19] Kristin Piro: And I've always toyed with the wine industry, I should say, for the past like eight years, because in between gigs, I would work at these great restaurants and have great psalms that were just teaching me a lot.

[29:29] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[29:29] Kristin Piro: But that doesn't mean I don't know anything I know anything about dirt, which I was what I was trying to do. Um and so she would be running the flashcards and in dance captain true form, like she would memorize them before I could ever memorize.

[29:42] David R. Gordon: I would like to get annoyed at him. I'm like, you don't know what this is? Come on. We've been on the road for three miles.

[29:47] Kristin Piro: Um yeah, but uh so that was the beginning of my you know introduction to it. Um as far as the wines go and like how we kind of did that, too, the the two reds, because they are a 2016 and a 2018.

[30:01] David R. Gordon: So a lot of people said the same thing. Well, you've only been doing this for a year. How are they such older vintages?

[30:07] Kristin Piro: Sure. But they were wines that were barrels that we bought from people. So the juice was already there and being aged. And then like for the octave, which is an eight grape blend, they're fermented separately.

[30:18] Kristin Piro: And then we, to our liking, uh blended and kind of did different percentages of things to make it what we wanted it to be. Um so those are both of the reds, and then the white and the rosé, David and I, I mean, we were there for like harvest and watch them go in the cruise and like pick the grapes, and and then as soon as you pick them and you put them in the bins to be transported to the winery or the crush pad, they start fermenting because it's the weight of the grapes.

[30:45] David R. Gordon: So they're starting to get juice, so you have to like get them there quickly. And then the the whole thing, I mean, it's like Disneyland. It's like watching them sort them and they triple sort them and then they go down the thing and David in the chocolate factory.

[30:58] Kristin Piro: Um But the white wine is which is a Rhone varietal, um uh five different types of grapes, Marson Russon, Vionier, Picpoul Blanc and Grenache Blanc, there you go.

[31:08] Kristin Piro: Um but anyways, the white blend is how kind of it started all. So there was a good friend of ours out there who has a vineyard, it's a one-acre small lot, and uh it produces about a hundred and ten cases.

[31:19] Kristin Piro: And uh during the pandemic, unfortunately their winemaker couldn't make the wine, and he knew that I was interning at this place, and he said, Can you see if they can do a custom crush? And I was like, sure, I'll check with them.

[31:29] Kristin Piro: They said that okay. And he's like, Great, how are you gonna sell the wine? And I was like, excuse me. And he's like, David, you've been talking about this a long time. Here's the kick in the ass. Go.

[31:32] Kristin Piro: And I was like, wait, what? And he was like, I'll help, don't worry. Like, we'll figure it out. And so he's a business guy, and he like really like structured our or helped structure our company and stuff like that.

[31:47] David R. Gordon: But it was all of that. So if you also, his name is Chuck and his wife's name is Kathy, both with C's. And if you look really closely at the wine bottle on the on the white wine, there's a on the front row seats, there's a little C on there for their name.

[31:59] Kristin Piro: Oh I love that.

[32:00] David R. Gordon: Which is cool.

[32:00] Kristin Piro: Yeah.

[32:01] David R. Gordon: Uh we love details.

[32:02] Kristin Piro: Right. Um but anyway, so that's what kind of like gave us the initial kick to like, so when you say, like, how did you choose? Well, that one was given to us, so and like chosen for us.

[32:12] David R. Gordon: And uh, yeah, uh, you want to tell the Zinfandel?

[32:14] Kristin Piro: Well, like for the Zinn, the Zin is also kind of how it initially started-ish for our wedding, we were gifted a bunch of wine that we were then able to label like custom label.

[32:25] David R. Gordon: So the red lip zin, which is a picture of me on there with red lipstick, um, was uh the the label that we had then, and we of course had invited a lot of friends and family, but a lot of people from Sonoma and who knew the wine industry, and they were like, This is a great label, like you should definitely market this.

[32:43] Kristin Piro: And we were like, Oh, okay, yeah, maybe we will.

[32:46] David R. Gordon: So that started then.

[32:48] Kristin Piro: So then when we got our hands on different grapes and stuff, and I've always loved Zinn, you know, especially California Zinn, big fans.

[32:56] David R. Gordon: Um, we knew we wanted to do that, and that kind of you know, catapulted the whole yeah idea.

[33:02] Kristin Piro: And because Sonoma's uh Sonoma and Napa are like the best place in the country to make wine, yeah.

[33:10] David R. Gordon: So we knew the wine was gonna be great, and all of our wines are very much like Sonoma. You you open it and you're like, oh my gosh, that's Sonoma, but we make them all uh in the old world style, meaning the European style.

[33:22] Kristin Piro: And so all of our they have that French funk, that French funk is a good thing in this world.

[33:27] David R. Gordon: Uh but it all has that kind of uh feeling to it, but we we like to say we we source our fruit from the best place in the world, which is Sonoma California.

[33:35] Kristin Piro: Yeah.

[33:36] David R. Gordon: Well, and uh you talk a little bit about the labeling, but the labels are so great and have such a clear, clever like style and perspective, as all all the wines do, you know.

[33:48] Kristin Piro: You they're very thoughtful in like what the wine means, like who they're for, why you did it. So do you want to kind of talk about like that process?

[33:57] David R. Gordon: Yeah. Well, I think the label, it's a an artist friend of ours also who who drew all the labels. Again, we like to kind of and we'll get into the artist series with M. Katie in a second, but we want it to be a community-driven thing.

[34:09] David R. Gordon: So we want to bring on friends and incorporate other people that we kind of you know are uh aligned with their lifestyle and their ideas and morals and all the things.

[34:20] Kristin Piro: Um so that's kind of how that started, but with Lucy doing all the artwork, um, but I also you know that phrase like don't judge a book by its cover.

[34:29] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[34:29] Kristin Piro: That's bullshit. No, we're not gonna be able to do it. Everybody judges a book by its cover.

[34:33] David R. Gordon: Especially you gotta start somewhere.

[34:34] Kristin Piro: Yeah, no, no one speaks f well, not everyone speaks French, and not everyone speaks Italian. Like you look at these labels.

[34:39] David R. Gordon: And when we go to a wine store that we don't know exactly what we're looking for, I'm looking at the labels initially.

[34:46] Kristin Piro: And then I can read more.

[34:49] David R. Gordon: See? So I'm I'm like, I always look and like please I in my head, I'm like, please tell me something. Please tell me please tell me a little bit about what this tastes like.

[34:59] Kristin Piro: Anything. Lie to me. I don't care. Sometimes it's just like Times New Roman and like a burgundy square.

[35:06] David R. Gordon: It's like, what the fuck. Tell me something.

[35:08] Kristin Piro: Yes.

[35:08] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[35:09] Kristin Piro: So we wanted to have a point of view, but also be really crisp and clean. And we also wanted to work against, you know, it's obviously intermission sellers is a nod to theater, but we didn't want it to be like your typical jazz hands or like showy and bright.

[35:25] David R. Gordon: We wanted it to like sleek.

[35:28] Kristin Piro: Yeah.

[35:29] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[35:29] Kristin Piro: So that's kind of what we're doing.

[35:30] David R. Gordon: Yeah, Lucy drive. Lucy actually came to see me in a show and she handed me after the show, she was like, Here, here's a picture of you.

[35:36] Kristin Piro: And I was like, What? This is unbelievable. And then she came back the following. She was 17 years old.

[35:38] David R. Gordon: And then she came back the following week and was like, here's the whole cast. It's your cast gift.

[35:45] Kristin Piro: And I was like, oh my gosh, it was amazing. And so we kept in touch, and um, and over the years, we like when this all came about for the wedding.

[35:54] Kristin Piro: I had her do all the labels for that, and she's super fast.

[35:58] David R. Gordon: And uh she was going, she actually just moved to Brooklyn.

[36:01] Kristin Piro: Super fast, like like so fast.

[36:03] David R. Gordon: Like so fast, yeah.

[36:04] Kristin Piro: Like hours, like a day.

[36:06] David R. Gordon: It's crazy.

[36:07] Kristin Piro: She's so good. But and what's cool is her artwork is nothing like what we have.

[36:12] David R. Gordon: Like she has she takes our vision and makes it come to life.

[36:15] Kristin Piro: And then you look at her Instagram, and but anyways, yeah, we've kept in contact. She just graduated college.

[36:20] David R. Gordon: It's wild.

[36:20] Kristin Piro: It's like a really cool thing to us. And yeah, um, and that's the front label on the back of the bottle.

[36:26] David R. Gordon: We do a little fun story with hopefully a little bit of tasting notes so that if people aren't aware, they can kind of, you know, read that there.

[36:33] Kristin Piro: But then we also dedicate each bottle, just like sometimes you dedicate this performance to we do that as well.

[36:40] David R. Gordon: So we make sure to kind of have a reason for why we're doing each different uh variety.

[36:46] Kristin Piro: Yeah, and the goal is too, I mean, being intermission sellers, we would love to start being in the intermission of theaters.

[36:52] David R. Gordon: You know, we would love to pair with shows to make the moulin rouge red rouge, like uh, you know, all sorts of things like that.

[36:59] Kristin Piro: So that's the the goal. I mean, we we just started 10 weeks ago.

[37:02] David R. Gordon: We need to make a lot more wine.

[37:03] Kristin Piro: We do need to make a lot of wine.

[37:04] David R. Gordon: Yeah, I know. We didn't, we didn't, as we're finding, we didn't make enough, which is a good problem to have.

[37:09] Kristin Piro: There's always enough wine.

[37:10] David R. Gordon: Yeah, there's always more wine.

[37:11] Kristin Piro: So no, I mean that's that's like such a cool, like exciting, and and like you were talking about your collaboration with with um Lucy, your artists.

[37:21] David R. Gordon: Like, we have the same, you know, we work with the same collaborators all the time for be it photos for the podcast, our you know, our logo.

[37:29] Kristin Piro: We said to a friend of ours four years ago, hey, we're thinking about starting a podcast. Can you like come up with a couple logo options?

[37:33] David R. Gordon: I love your logo.

[37:36] Kristin Piro: And then they came up with the logo, Alex.

[37:39] David R. Gordon: Shout out to Alex.

[37:39] Kristin Piro: Yes.

[37:40] David R. Gordon: And Alex, let's talk.

[37:41] Kristin Piro: But just knew exactly what we were right away.

[37:44] David R. Gordon: And that's the thing.

[37:46] Kristin Piro: People who do that, it's such a gift.

[37:48] David R. Gordon: Like people who have that skill. I'm like, whoa.

[37:50] Kristin Piro: Yeah, that's a creative mind.

[37:52] David R. Gordon: Sash to uh yeah.

[37:54] Kristin Piro: And it's it's exciting, and that's also part of the I think the theatrical spirit.

[37:58] David R. Gordon: I mean, for me, at least that's what I love is like that collaboration that it's the old school summer stock.

[38:03] Kristin Piro: We're putting on a show in a barn. Let's all get together.

[38:04] David R. Gordon: That's so good.

[38:07] Kristin Piro: It's old school.

[38:08] David R. Gordon: Perfect way to say it.

[38:09] Kristin Piro: What's been now? You know, you're just starting it, you're just starting your business.

[38:13] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[38:14] Kristin Piro: What's been the most challenging part?

[38:18] David R. Gordon: Probably the math.

[38:20] Kristin Piro: Oh, you want to say the math?

[38:22] David R. Gordon: Oh gosh.

[38:23] Kristin Piro: Um, we have time.

[38:24] David R. Gordon: Yeah. You know, we are being artists, I guess. I mean, we're just gonna keep blaming everything on the arts, but like we are never at a loss for ideas.

[38:33] Kristin Piro: We have so many ideas. I always say, like, I would love to be on Shark Tank one of these days.

[38:37] David R. Gordon: Because I feel like Yeah, you know, we just we have a plethora of ideas, but then actually like following through with them is more difficult because there's a lot of moving parts.

[38:49] Kristin Piro: So when this all came to came about, we knew exactly what we wanted to do and how we wanted to look and what the wine was gonna taste like.

[38:56] David R. Gordon: And then we were like, okay, well, we gotta pay for corks and glass and capsules and labels and juice, and there's all these different moving parts.

[39:04] Kristin Piro: And I'm like, okay, well, we'll do this, and then we'll just do the math, and then blah blah blah. And then I kept saying, and then we just do the math, and David was like, okay, but we have to do the math.

[39:13] Kristin Piro: And I just keep thinking, oh, somebody's gonna do this math, and tell us and I don't really, you know, Excel was a thing.

[39:21] David R. Gordon: I'm I'm using a piece of paper with a ruler and making columns.

[39:25] Kristin Piro: I'm just writing it, you know.

[39:26] David R. Gordon: But Excel is useful if you know how to use it, which we're still learning.

[39:31] Kristin Piro: But that to me was a big part the actual business side of it. Starting an LLC, getting the licenses, getting the permits.

[39:37] David R. Gordon: There's so many rules when you sell something, you're like okay, like what are the percentages?

[39:43] Kristin Piro: Really difficult.

[39:44] David R. Gordon: Yes, yeah.

[39:45] Kristin Piro: Well, she says math, I say it was the government and all of that legality stuff because it was it was wild.

[39:50] David R. Gordon: I mean, we had these ideas. We talked to Katie for a year before we actually got the wine out because we had these hurdles of the compliance issues, because anything with alcohol, there's a whole new layer of like things, and like I've always had that digital kind of graphic uh video editing.

[40:07] Kristin Piro: Like that was me.

[40:08] David R. Gordon: And it's funny you say Excel because I can do any digital arts program, and I'm a computer nerd to the end degree.

[40:14] Kristin Piro: When it comes to Excel, I have no idea what I'm doing.

[40:17] David R. Gordon: Which is why I'm like, where's the calculator? And I'm like, where are the like highlighted colors and like the boldness?

[40:22] David R. Gordon: I was just trying to make it pretty pretty. I don't know how to drawed it. But yeah, no, we had to get like even like because again it's in California, so we couldn't use our New York addresses. So everything had to be California based. Then we had to get the property that we were using zoned to have that to be able for UPS to pick it up 10 times a week. Like it was every hurdle was wild with the government and especially during the pandemic what was supposed to take six weeks ended up taking eight months. So like that's it was a long we uh it was a it was a long process but hey we have good wine so yeah. That was my biggest challenge. But hey before we take a quick break let's talk about our mini series. If you haven't checked it out yet hung over is our series where we follow several artists in their journey back to the stage. Check it out if you haven't yet right here on the Equity One feed.

[41:18] Elliott Mattox: Well speaking of good wine yes let's talk a little bit about this artist series and Mama Rosé which we're drinking right now to Terxis and I might I might get the another bottle.

[41:31] Katie Webber: I mean mine's gone I'm I drank it I drank it but um so Katie if if people are listening and they don't they don't know like you also kind of had some like business moments during the pandemic.

[41:44] Katie Webber: Yeah pandemic uh pivot pivot steps pivot step walk walk walk and then run for a little bit and then walk again yeah so we want to talk a little bit about that to like lead into the sure uh so um yeah uh pandemic hit and I had already been um kind of on my food health journey for a few years before that. Uh Elliott and Kristin and I did Charlie in the Chocolate Factory together. And I had had a new newborn, geez, baby at the time. And I was I had started my health journey then.

[42:20] David R. Gordon: I re I remembered you being like, I got the the domain like Katie Weber NYC.

[42:26] Katie Webber: Yes, but I don't want to make sure that it's like I don't want to like necessarily make it food, but it's not me. As an actor, like I remember it vividly.

[42:34] Katie Webber: Yeah, I so I started on like a plant-based vegan journey. And and it has kind of led me all kinds of places, and I started uh sharing my recipes and my food on my Instagram. Um I am since now I would call myself plant-based, not vegan, because um, honey, when she needs to have a burger, she has a burger.

[42:54] David R. Gordon: That's right.

[42:54] Katie Webber: Um but oh yes, crack it open.

[42:59] David R. Gordon: She's cracking the she's cracking the next bottle of wine open.

[43:02] Katie Webber: Um you need to finish that with a lot of things. So when the pandemic happened, I I'm in uh the Tina Turner musical on Broadway. Big wheels keep on turning.

[43:13] David R. Gordon: Yes, they do.

[43:14] Katie Webber: And uh when the pandemic hit, I first was like, thank God I can just sit down and do nothing. Absolutely. And hang out with my child. And then I was like, wait a minute, I need to put my creative energy somewhere. And and somebody who followed me was like, hey, if you put out a cookbook, I would buy it. And I was like, okay it just it was like that light bulb moment, you know, truly.

[43:41] Katie Webber: And I ended and I immediately Googled how to self publish a cookbook, a book, you know.

[43:49] David R. Gordon: Oh.

[43:49] Katie Webber: New York.

[43:50] David R. Gordon: Get it.

[43:51] Katie Webber: Yes, New York. Get it. Get it. Get it.

[43:54] Katie Webber: Anyway, pandemic, I I self-published uh a series of plant-based cookbooks uh that I'm very proud of and uh that people seem to like. I mean, at least at least if people don't like it, there those people aren't hitting me up. So bye. But no, people seem to like it. It's been great.

[44:15] Katie Webber: Um, and anyway, uh kind of backtracking. Um I met, I've known Kristin for a long time, but I met David when we were doing Flash Dance the Musical on tour, and I feel like we really connected because he's a foodie.

[44:35] David R. Gordon: And he's a he's a gluten free human.

[44:39] Katie Webber: And so right?

[44:41] David R. Gordon: Oh, absolutely.

[44:42] Katie Webber: Yeah, and so peanuts.

[44:44] David R. Gordon: No, Nancy.

[44:45] Katie Webber: And a lot of allergies.

[44:46] David R. Gordon: Yeah, and because of that, like putting limitations kind of but he loves food, and so it made him get creative about and passionate about what he's eating. And he's not like, well, I don't eat this and that, but you know, he still wants good food.

[45:01] Katie Webber: That's right.

[45:02] Katie Webber: And so I love I'm a person who loves good food and a good meal, and I it I really um it means a lot to me in my life, adds a lot of value to my life. So I feel like we you know bonded in that way on that tour, just uh, you know, maybe you didn't maybe you don't know that, but I like it.

[45:20] David R. Gordon: No, absolutely please.

[45:21] David R. Gordon: We were also traveling with uh Dan, who was like a chef and he would like take us, and he's gluten free too. So it was like I was I had it easy, but then when we got off to her, I was like, uh Katie, help me. Like I need help. But no, we had like that same passion for connecting on that level because food and wine are just such about connection and really really like being mindful about what it is you're putting in your body and still living your best life while doing it.

[45:49] Katie Webber: Totally.

[45:50] Katie Webber: So um anyway, uh my my pandemic pivot was doing, you know, I'm obsessed with food, obsessed with recipes. I I love it. It really drives me all the time.

[46:00] David R. Gordon: Tall for you is right there.

[46:01] Katie Webber: Fall for you on the bookshelf.

[46:03] David R. Gordon: That's right.

[46:05] Katie Webber: Honestly, like truly, when the fact that I'm in any person's house like that, and it goes with the wine also. It's like I I just it is so meaningful.

[46:17] Katie Webber: So really and I also get the honor of getting to test sometimes.

[46:22] David R. Gordon: I know.

[46:24] Katie Webber: Katie will send me uh a uh you know, a sweets recipe because she knows I like to bake or you know, a cocktail recipe.

[46:33] David R. Gordon: You need to sign this book.

[46:34] Katie Webber: Have you signed this one?

[46:35] David R. Gordon: Like author sign, yeah.

[46:38] Katie Webber: Like I want to see it happen.

[46:41] Katie Webber: I'm supporting the dolls, okay?

[46:43] David R. Gordon: I don't know, yeah.

[46:45] David R. Gordon: Yeah, yeah.

[46:46] David R. Gordon: So, you know, it's just been um it's been a great pivot. I'm happy to be, you know, we're back in rehearsals for Tina now, but also I I really and I and my goal in returning to performing is truly just to find my joy because I feel like so off before it was like literally to put food on my plate, and and my um my perspective got a little skewed, and my and my why, you know, and some unhealthy kind of psycho behaviors can get arise from that.

[47:22] Katie Webber: But I think the silver lining from the pandemic for me personally, and um was just connecting truly with a creative passion and collaborating with people that we really see eye to eye and and working together and and and really being excited, like anytime we had a call or any time we're tasting something or or making a plan or anything, is like I just I'm like looking so forward to it, and I'm so excited.

[47:49] David R. Gordon: And and I think we can all take that lesson as like really leaning into things that bring us joy and excitement and and and passion into our lives.

[48:00] Elliott Mattox: Yeah.

[48:01] David R. Gordon: Katie was the the best team player.

[48:02] David R. Gordon: We'd be like, Do you like this? She's be like, Yep.

[48:07] Elliott Mattox: Cool.

[48:07] David R. Gordon: I'm awesome.

[48:08] Katie Webber: Yeah, yeah.

[48:09] Katie Webber: Although I did they sent me some, so like initially, like they sent me samples to taste, and you know, my husband Aurelian, who is French, he's legit, he's from Bordeaux.

[48:19] Katie Webber: Um like he knows what a dump. So he's truly like the perfect kind of partner because he will tell me, like, he'll be like, No, this isn't it, you know.

[48:21] David R. Gordon: He will tell me, but um, I I put a blindfold on and we put the sample, you know, like the kind of design tasting what happened next.

[48:38] Katie Webber: Yeah, we picked our favorites.

[48:41] Katie Webber: It wasn't like that you got it on my hand too.

[48:46] Katie Webber: But we picked our favorites, and I knew which one was my favorite. But then he's like, here's the real test. Put a blindfold on. I'm gonna do a blind tasting, and then I tasted and still picked if it's your favorite, and I did, and that's and that's Mama Rosé.

[49:02] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[49:03] David R. Gordon: That's the fun part too, is like getting these samples from different, like, you know, I I had um made the Mama Rosé juice that year, and I was like, I really think she's gonna like this.

[49:12] David R. Gordon: Like, uh, you know what? Let's send a couple other, you know, vineyards that that you know are around kind of thing.

[49:19] Katie Webber: And it was fun when she picked that one.

[49:20] David R. Gordon: I was like, yes.

[49:22] Katie Webber: Yeah, satisfying.

[49:24] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[49:24] David R. Gordon: It's been awesome.

[49:25] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[49:26] David R. Gordon: So so when you, you know, when you first decide, because you're the first like collaborative wine with someone else outside of the two of you.

[49:33] David R. Gordon: What was that? You know, you said that that was important to you. Do you want to talk about like why that was and then kind of talk about the collaboration a little bit?

[49:41] Kristin Piro: Well, we liked we we wanted the artist series, we wanted a way to expand audiences, whether it be ours, Katie's, whoever we're just to gain a bigger community, because that's also what I love about theater is the family that you gain in every show you do, in every project.

[49:59] Kristin Piro: You wind up leaving with people who are like, oh, they're gonna be my friend for a long time.

[50:02] David R. Gordon: Yeah, yeah.

[50:03] Kristin Piro: And that's kind of what we wanted to do. I mean, David's wonderful and all, but I was like, it's just gonna be us. Like, all right.

[50:10] David R. Gordon: Maybe we should like address it.

[50:11] Kristin Piro: It's called marriage, ladies and gentlemen.

[50:13] Kristin Piro: Um so we knew we wanted to do something, and we said, how about like a guest artist?

[50:19] Kristin Piro: Our and maybe this will still be our idea, but we wanted to do a few a year.

[50:24] David R. Gordon: This year was like a lot of learning curves.

[50:26] Kristin Piro: We were like, maybe we'll just do one and see how it goes and see then if we can, you know, up it to doing more than one a year.

[50:32] David R. Gordon: But at the moment, it's gonna be one a year.

[50:34] Kristin Piro: Um, and we just wanted to find people that not necessarily had pivoted, you know.

[50:40] Kristin Piro: We liked the fact that Katie was doing something also artistic, but in another avenue, but also not leaving the theater.

[50:48] David R. Gordon: Right.

[50:48] Kristin Piro: A lot of times people are like, oh, so you're doing this now. And it's like, no, I'm doing this and because it's it works hand in hand.

[50:55] David R. Gordon: And yeah, exactly.

[50:57] Kristin Piro: And it makes sense. So it was like really inspiring to see Katie's journey and path along all the cooking.

[51:06] Kristin Piro: And it just, it was like, it just clicked.

[51:09] David R. Gordon: We didn't even think twice.

[51:10] Kristin Piro: I don't even think we thought about somebody else.

[51:11] David R. Gordon: No, I think it was like, okay, we're gonna start with Katie and then what?

[51:14] Kristin Piro: Yeah.

[51:14] Kristin Piro: Now we have this thing.

[51:16] Kristin Piro: She wasn't aware of this at that point.

[51:17] Kristin Piro: We were like, you know, we'll we'll call Katie, she'll be fine with it, and hopefully and then we'll go on.

[51:22] David R. Gordon: Like Yeah.

[51:23] Kristin Piro: But we we wanted to give back.

[51:25] Kristin Piro: Like that was in in the initially, we were kind of like, how do we give back?

[51:29] Kristin Piro: And should we start this as a nonprofit?

[51:30] David R. Gordon: Well, we've seen a lot of theater companies do that.

[51:32] Kristin Piro: Like it doesn't always it's alcohol, are we allowed to do it as a nonprofit?

[51:35] David R. Gordon: Like there was all sorts of things, but this was our way to give back in the sense that again, creating that bigger community and and really again being another artist to showcase that every wine is under $30 and it's great value.

[51:47] Kristin Piro: Like it's all of that.

[51:48] Kristin Piro: That was how how we're kind of trying to justify that.

[51:51] David R. Gordon: Um also to kind of like pat ourselves on the back as artists that you can do it all.

[51:58] Kristin Piro: Yes, most of the time you do.

[52:00] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[52:00] David R. Gordon: Like the times that we have tried to hand projects off to people within our company, like, oh, we'll let them do it.

[52:08] Kristin Piro: It comes back and you're like, I gotta do it myself.

[52:10] David R. Gordon: Like we have to just do it ourselves because we're perfectionists, too, which is sometimes a flaw.

[52:19] Kristin Piro: You really have a level of excellence that you have to meet.

[52:22] David R. Gordon: Right.

[52:22] Kristin Piro: And like Katie said, like it was just it's so exciting to us, and we want the people that we collaborate with to be just as excited because it is that fun.

[52:31] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[52:31] David R. Gordon: And honestly, one of the hardest things for me was okay, what are we gonna call this?

[52:37] Kristin Piro: And I'm like, uh, like that's where the the Libra side of me comes from.

[52:42] Kristin Piro: And I'm like, I don't know, it could be this, it could be that.

[52:44] Kristin Piro: I don't know, what happened, you know.

[52:46] Kristin Piro: And and I kept coming back to Mama Rosé because, well, first of all, the the movie version of Gypsy and Bet Medler was like one of the you know catalysts of my love for musical theater.

[52:59] David R. Gordon: Um, and you know, as I mentioned, my mom mature before.

[53:02] Kristin Piro: Um my own personal mom and jerk, Melissa, who who we love, we love her, she's amazing.

[53:08] Kristin Piro: Um, but you know, I am also a mom, and you know, you obviously do not have to be a mom or a female identifying person to enjoy this wine.

[53:19] David R. Gordon: Period.

[53:20] Kristin Piro: Um, yeah, but um, but it is just that it encompasses the sense of like this is for the person making it work.

[53:20] Kristin Piro: This is for the person living their life doing their best, you know, because I I do feel like a mom is that person who's like spreading themselves thin and like you know, making it work.

[53:42] Kristin Piro: So and really that's all of us, especially now.

[53:47] Kristin Piro: Um so that's that's and so still being able to celebrate things and make it and at the end of the day, celebrate a day, yeah.

[53:55] David R. Gordon: Right, spell it celebrate the moment, and I think that that's like you know, that's clear in like your presence and who you are and like why people connect with you is like okay, we made it through the day, glass rosé while I'm making dinner with I haven't gone to the grocery store in a week, so I'm making yes, like it truly feels like the most luxurious thing ever.

[54:19] Kristin Piro: Like this is this is truly what I look forward to. Like I have my case of wine, I come home, I am so happy. I crack it open and I'm like, oh, this is life. Like it truly it, I just it's I luxuriate in it.

[54:35] David R. Gordon: Yeah. And then and then similarly, I'm sure it's a feeling like that of like all this kind of work, if we're talking about like building a business as a day, and then like that happens, the release, and then orders start coming. I mean, that that's the similar a similar feeling is like seeing your the fruits of your labor come to where they were supposed to be.

[54:58] Kristin Piro: Literally the fruits of your labor.

[55:00] David R. Gordon: There it is, yes. Whether it's the end of a day or the launch of a business.

[55:06] Kristin Piro: It was wild. I mean, we made we made like 5,000 bottles of wine.

[55:10] David R. Gordon: And we were like, what are we doing? You know, but it's been incredibly supported, and like everyone has been so supportive, and it's so cool every time someone buys a bottle of wine from us, because then they again, that like Instagram post, like you just said, your cookbook's in here, and it's like that you did that, and they did that.

[55:27] Kristin Piro: Like they say, it's it's like a really cool handshake that you constantly have people reach out. I mean, I know it's the same thing with Katie's cookbook. It's like you see it and like reposts, but like they had a moment and they're saying, I'm eating this because it and it was delicious, and you came up with that recipe.

[55:31] David R. Gordon: It's the same thing with with the wine. I mean, people will email us or text us and be like, oh my god, this was so good. I shared it with my mom, or I shared it with my friend, and we had a great night. And it's like it makes me tear up, honestly. It's like that's what it should be doing.

[55:55] Kristin Piro: Like reaching out to us to say we want to share it with ours. And it's like, whoa, now we're wait, what? It just rippled again.

[56:01] David R. Gordon: And so I think we touched on this a little bit earlier. Like, I can't, I can't like press the fact enough that being an artist, we are capable of anything.

[56:10] Kristin Piro: Like, yeah, it was really hard to talk to the government and get my property zoned. What does that even mean? But at the same time, like it's also really, really hard to get in front of people day by day and like audition for people.

[56:22] David R. Gordon: Like we don't realize that. We are constantly marketing ourselves. We are constantly keeping our thumb on the pole, like finger on the post. Like it's constantly, we are always working hard to create this product.

[56:34] Kristin Piro: And so when it comes to a business, we are all capable of having this business. All of us right in this room are doing that right now.

[56:40] David R. Gordon: And you know, I thought initially when everything closed last year or 18 months ago, whenever it was, I have never done anything else. Like I've never had a part-time job, I've never done anything but singing and dancing.

[56:53] Kristin Piro: Right from high school to right. And you know, a lot of people look at that, and I did too. It's like, oh, you're so lucky. But then when the world closes, I was like, Well, this is not a good thing that I haven't said anything else.

[57:06] David R. Gordon: Yes.

[57:06] Kristin Piro: And then it took a moment to realize, oh, actually, my skill sets translate to a lot of things that people don't have that I can bring to the table.

[57:16] David R. Gordon: And you know, we were kind of a little bit forced into this to to just pivot and pivot into something else.

[57:23] Kristin Piro: And I feel bad. I feel initially I was like, oh, this sucks that it took this to pivot to something else. And I want to like never let that have to be the reason again because it's it really the confidence you gain, or we all gained this year by doing other things and trying new has been it was funny.

[57:42] David R. Gordon: Someone everyone in the wine industry is like, it's easy to make wine, it's hard to sell it. And I was like, watch this. You know what I mean?

[57:48] Kristin Piro: Like it was like hard selling myself. We've been selling ourselves for a long time.

[57:54] David R. Gordon: Exactly.

[57:55] Kristin Piro: Well, that's the thing is we're we're constantly, we are our own product all the time. So when you put it on to something else, what is the what's the biggest goal?

[58:04] David R. Gordon: Like speak into the universe. Speak it.

[58:07] Kristin Piro: Oh gosh. I think it is to be like the wine at intermission of Broadway shows. Like that be the wine that's in theaters.

[58:18] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[58:18] Kristin Piro: I think across the board.

[58:20] David R. Gordon: Yeah. And I I know that's gonna happen. I'm gonna keep saying that is gonna happen, but like truly, uh, there is uh no reason why we can't be in every theater across the country and and then start like you know, like I can't wait till we get to do another artist series with Katie and you know, like there's and reaching that audiences of different like other artists.

[58:40] Kristin Piro: I don't know, just bringing good wine, good great valued wine for good prices with great people behind it. That's all I want to continue to do.

[58:49] David R. Gordon: Like, I was gonna say my goal is to do more wine with these people, and this might be uncomfortable because we haven't talked about that's my goal.

[59:01] Kristin Piro: Well, and that's also you know, this has been a tr a really difficult time for a lot of artists, and a great way to support it and also have a beautiful glass of wine, bottle of wine, bottle, absolutely some uh beautiful plant-based recipes.

[59:20] David R. Gordon: You can we'll we'll tell you how to support these artists with your pocketbook in a little bit, but first we're gonna play a game.

[59:27] Kristin Piro: Yes, we have some quick cues, easy questions, just let it roll off around. Uh so I've never been to California, and I need to go. And so all of a bit they'll never come back.

[59:38] David R. Gordon: So, like, what is a must California do if I was to go visit next week?

[59:45] Kristin Piro: Well, I mean, clearly a Napa moment, but I am from California. I'm from Santa Cruz, California.

[59:51] David R. Gordon: So you gotta go to the boardwalk.

[59:54] Kristin Piro: It's you know, it's it's like What makes it different than Coney Island?

[59:57] David R. Gordon: Like I love that.

[1:00:00] Kristin Piro: Like I don't know a difference. So like the boardwalk is gorgeous, it's um clean.

[1:00:08] David R. Gordon: Um period.

[1:00:11] Kristin Piro: Yeah. And you can get really good Mexican food nearby.

[1:00:16] David R. Gordon: So like yeah, the real deal.

[1:00:19] Kristin Piro: Um I would say you have to go to Sonoma. You have to see wine country, you have to do a bunch of tastings.

[1:00:25] David R. Gordon: I mean, please tell us when you go because we can hook you up where about wineries.

[1:00:30] Kristin Piro: Yes, I mean it's beautiful landscape. It's stunning.

[1:00:33] David R. Gordon: You'll you're like David said, you're not gonna want to come back.

[1:00:38] Kristin Piro: Uh you gotta go to my mother's, she'll make you chocolate and matzabal soup.

[1:00:44] David R. Gordon: No.

[1:00:44] Kristin Piro: Um, no, really, though.

[1:00:45] David R. Gordon: I grew up in in Southern California in the Los Angeles uh area.

[1:00:45] Kristin Piro: Los Angeles?

[1:00:50] David R. Gordon: That was weird.

[1:00:50] Kristin Piro: Los Angeles.

[1:00:51] David R. Gordon: Los Angeles area.

[1:00:51] Kristin Piro: Sounded out.

[1:00:52] David R. Gordon: Um and uh, but I I will say we always grew up thinking like Nor Cal was like not cool because they said Hella.

[1:00:59] Kristin Piro: I'm like hella cool.

[1:01:00] David R. Gordon: It's like because no, but uh up north is a pretty magical place uh in in Northern California, kind of right in between.

[1:01:07] Kristin Piro: Yeah, you know.

[1:01:08] David R. Gordon: You can also get some rolling good weed.

[1:01:10] Kristin Piro: Hey literally coming to New York in 2026.

[1:01:13] David R. Gordon: On our next episode of Intermission Zellow, yeah.

[1:01:18] Kristin Piro: Um but no, you gotta go up north.

[1:01:20] David R. Gordon: Uh Los Angeles is pretty great.

[1:01:22] Kristin Piro: You have to see those things.

[1:01:23] David R. Gordon: You gotta go to Disneyland.

[1:01:24] Kristin Piro: Yeah, uh, don't go to Walt or Disney World.

[1:01:27] David R. Gordon: I don't know.

[1:01:27] Kristin Piro: Hey, hey, hey, I'm on these.

[1:01:30] David R. Gordon: I've been to I've literally been to LA once, like California once.

[1:01:33] Kristin Piro: That's enough.

[1:01:34] David R. Gordon: I was yeah.

[1:01:35] Kristin Piro: But I was shocked.

[1:01:36] David R. Gordon: Honestly, mountains.

[1:01:37] Kristin Piro: Gorgeous.

[1:01:38] David R. Gordon: I was like gorgeous.

[1:01:39] Kristin Piro: I guess I didn't know what to expect, but like driving around, I was like, holy shit.

[1:01:42] David R. Gordon: No, especially like Santa Cruz and up north is like mountains coming out of the beach.

[1:01:49] Kristin Piro: Yes.

[1:01:49] David R. Gordon: It's like fairyland.

[1:01:51] Kristin Piro: And no humidity.

[1:01:53] David R. Gordon: No humidity, which sounds like it's not that big of a deal, but when you feel it.

[1:01:58] Kristin Piro: Yeah, it's 102 degrees, but it's cool.

[1:02:00] David R. Gordon: Yeah, you're not sweating.

[1:02:01] Kristin Piro: It's a mess.

[1:02:02] David R. Gordon: We lived in Oklahoma.

[1:02:03] Kristin Piro: We know nobody.

[1:02:04] David R. Gordon: Oh, okay.

[1:02:05] Kristin Piro: That's right.

[1:02:05] David R. Gordon: That's right.

[1:02:06] Kristin Piro: Why?

[1:02:07] David R. Gordon: Um, so there's like a season, I feel like to like cocktails and wine. So like coming up with fall season, like, what is your fall wine that you're like are attracted to?

[1:02:11] Kristin Piro: Rosé.

[1:02:19] David R. Gordon: I knew I was like, there's my.

[1:02:21] Kristin Piro: We all just looked at Katie to say that basically.

[1:02:23] Katie Webber: I will never ever uh anybody who knows me knows I'm speaking my truth at all times, even when it makes me look bad.

[1:02:31] Kristin Piro: So I'm I I need to be better about that.

[1:02:34] Katie Webber: But um Rosé is my drink of choice, like year-round for sure.

[1:02:39] David R. Gordon: That's not a bad thing, by the way.

[1:02:41] Katie Webber: No, like rosé or a margarita is my life.

[1:02:43] David R. Gordon: Yes, yeah.

[1:02:45] Katie Webber: Truly in the fall, I'm still drinking right now.

[1:02:47] Kristin Piro: So instead of rosé all day, we're getting Katie a shirt that says rosé all year.

[1:02:47] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[1:02:47] Katie Webber: All year.

[1:02:52] David R. Gordon: Also, I think I'm turning into you, Katie.

[1:02:57] Kristin Piro: Um, I would have to say for me, it's the Zinn. It's it's so juicy and delicious and goes great with like all of those stewed meats and like like heartier fall dishes.

[1:03:10] Katie Webber: Yes.

[1:03:11] David R. Gordon: Um, I can't wait to eat that and pair it with that wine.

[1:03:15] Katie Webber: Yes.

[1:03:16] David R. Gordon: Um the other thing I would say for me is the octave because and I'm not and now it just sounds like we're going through our wines.

[1:03:22] Kristin Piro: But like really it's not.

[1:03:24] David R. Gordon: I if you weren't.

[1:03:26] Kristin Piro: That's right.

[1:03:26] David R. Gordon: Uh our the octave wine we made for that reason in the sense that it's a food lover's wine.

[1:03:32] Kristin Piro: However, you can drink it alone because we added Sanji octave, obviously, it has eight notes.

[1:03:38] David R. Gordon: We put eight different grape varietals in there.

[1:03:40] Kristin Piro: Um first of all, not obviously.

[1:03:43] David R. Gordon: That's very clever and smart.

[1:03:46] Kristin Piro: Like I I mean I didn't know that and I'd had I've had the octave.

[1:03:52] David R. Gordon: And and I that's that's a good one.

[1:03:54] Kristin Piro: No, that's actually a good reminder too, honestly.

[1:03:56] David R. Gordon: It's a th it's thoughtful.

[1:03:57] Kristin Piro: Right.

[1:03:58] David R. Gordon: Thank you.

[1:03:58] Kristin Piro: Thank you.

[1:03:59] David R. Gordon: I appreciate that.

[1:04:01] Kristin Piro: Um but we we did mostly Bordeaux style grapes, which can be kind of heavier.

[1:04:03] David R. Gordon: So we actually put Sangiovese in there as well as Syrah to kind of elevate that and lift it for those like gamey meats for the holidays and for like turkey.

[1:04:13] Kristin Piro: It's perfect for turkey.

[1:04:14] David R. Gordon: We also pair it a lot with like uh prosciutto and sorry, prosciutto.

[1:04:18] Kristin Piro: I I married to an Italian.

[1:04:21] David R. Gordon: And mozzarella.

[1:04:22] Kristin Piro: Uh exactly.

[1:04:24] David R. Gordon: Um and and like a hearty, like uh aged cheese.

[1:04:26] Kristin Piro: So like those to me is just I like those comforty holiday foods.

[1:04:31] David R. Gordon: I can't wait to drink the octave with.

[1:04:32] Kristin Piro: But yeah, something like that.

[1:04:33] David R. Gordon: A Bordeaux blue.

[1:04:35] Kristin Piro: Okay.

[1:04:35] David R. Gordon: I might I might be.

[1:04:42] Kristin Piro: Um so as we're getting back into like this new post pandemic world and we're getting back into rehearsals and stuff like that. What is a daily routine you can't go without when you're getting ready for a show?

[1:04:52] David R. Gordon: Like how do you treat yourself?

[1:04:54] Kristin Piro: Well, uh uh the first thing that comes to my mind is coffee.

[1:05:00] David R. Gordon: Like coffee, coffee, coffee.

[1:05:01] Kristin Piro: I have a child. I wake up at 5:45 in the morning to get to make her lunch and to make me lunch.

[1:05:08] David R. Gordon: And uh, but like coffee and wine, I don't know.

[1:05:12] Kristin Piro: Um I mean, this is real talk.

[1:05:15] David R. Gordon: Bookend.

[1:05:16] Kristin Piro: But I'm not, this is real talk for me. It's coffee and wine.

[1:05:19] David R. Gordon: Um, and and in the middle, um, you know, healthy food, a salad a day, uh, makes me happy.

[1:05:25] Kristin Piro: And that's I don't know, that's mine.

[1:05:28] David R. Gordon: I think for me, uh, it would have to be the time that I take to like get ready for the show or the rehearsal or whatever.

[1:05:37] Kristin Piro: Uh this year I've learned to like luxuriate in the moment, and I don't want to go back to like rushing and doing things and being like on edge trying to get everywhere and get there quickly and be there just at half hour.

[1:05:49] David R. Gordon: I want to take my time so I feel present.

[1:05:52] Kristin Piro: So I'm looking forward to really like, you know, taking my time.

[1:05:58] David R. Gordon: I just need a kiss from my wife every day.

[1:06:01] Kristin Piro: Oh that's right, that's right.

[1:06:05] David R. Gordon: Uh we have to do it.

[1:06:09] Kristin Piro: No, for me, again, going back to that pandemic kind of thing, like I I thoroughly enjoyed learning something every day.

[1:06:16] David R. Gordon: And and we've been so uh we love learning new shows, we love like rehearsing and things like that, but I also need to take time to like learn something of my own, and like whether it's just reading a new article about something or someone, uh I just want to compla like we loved learning.

[1:06:31] Kristin Piro: We kept saying, Yeah, this must be what it's like to go back to college as an adult when you want to go to school, you know what I mean?

[1:06:37] David R. Gordon: Like just to learn something because we're just sponges, and I think I want to just try and keep up with that, as well as coffee and wine.

[1:06:44] Kristin Piro: Yeah.

[1:06:45] David R. Gordon: Um, so what is a um purchase you've made during the pandemic when you're like, oh, maybe I shouldn't be getting this, but I need to treat myself.

[1:06:52] Kristin Piro: So like I'm calling this a pandemic purchase.

[1:06:56] David R. Gordon: Five thousand bottles of wine.

[1:06:59] Kristin Piro: Treat yourself.

[1:07:00] David R. Gordon: We've treated ourselves.

[1:07:02] Kristin Piro: No.

[1:07:03] David R. Gordon: Um, honey, for me, it's like uh, so I do we have time? I don't know.

[1:07:07] Kristin Piro: Um just oh god, I I'm an asshole.

[1:07:12] David R. Gordon: I don't know.

[1:07:12] Kristin Piro: I just clothes, stupid, stupid things.

[1:07:15] Elliott Mattox: I'm like, I don't need this right now, I'm wearing sweatpants, but like I need those shoes.

[1:07:18] Caleb Dicke: Either an ice sweatpants.

[1:07:20] Elliott Mattox: You know what I bought that I'm very excited about? Um, because I tend to consider myself like a summer person. I love a bikini, I love warm weather, I love a beach. And so I'm trying to get myself excited for a fall winter, and for me, the um basic bitch that I am, I'm like, I just need what will make me happy is clothes.

[1:07:42] Caleb Dicke: So I bought some fierce blazers.

[1:07:46] Elliott Mattox: Business water.

[1:07:48] Caleb Dicke: That's exactly though. This is real. I'm like dressed for the role that we desire. You want to make money wear a suit.

[1:07:55] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, so we're all such a lot. Um oversized blazers. It kind of like hangs on you, like your hands.

[1:08:03] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[1:08:04] Elliott Mattox: Like, um, what is like that don't tell mom the babysitter's dad? Like rose, like QED, yeah, right on top of that rose. Um, so anyway, I bought myself some cute blazers that I'm very excited to wear, and I feel like they're gonna put me in the mood of like, let's make money, bitch.

[1:08:19] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, you know, yes.

[1:08:21] Elliott Mattox: Uh I think our splurge this pandemic was a car.

[1:08:25] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, yeah.

[1:08:26] Elliott Mattox: It changes. I gotta say, it is a game changer.

[1:08:29] Caleb Dicke: Did you buy a parking spot? Are you parking on the street?

[1:08:31] Elliott Mattox: We're parking on the street. We live uptown uh with very wide streets, and there's tons of street parking, fortunately, because the garages are kind of pricey.

[1:08:40] Caleb Dicke: They're ridiculous.

[1:08:42] Elliott Mattox: But you know what? Even if it's worth it, even if you had to pay for a garage, we've gotten so used to like putting our groceries in the trunk. Yes, throwing stuff in the car, like going to New Jersey to Trader Joe's. You're just like, we're in a parking lot.

[1:08:54] Caleb Dicke: Literally, that's illegal.

[1:08:57] Elliott Mattox: I'm like feel like an adult, really. Our car is is your blazer.

[1:09:02] Kristin Piro: I'm gonna chime in. I'm not really supposed to. But I did just I did just buy my first pair of rain boots.

[1:09:09] David R. Gordon: No, this let me tell you, I'm sorry. This is a moment for you. When you are a New Yorker and you buy your first like legit rain boots and or snow boots. This is a life-changing, this is adding value to your life. You can step in that puddle, honey.

[1:09:27] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, because truly. You just step right in it. And you're like, come up to my shit. Everybody else is tiptoeing. It's like you're like, my foot is dry. In my brain, I'm like, oh well, it's raining. I guess my shoes are getting ruined today.

[1:09:44] Caleb Dicke: What what is that?

[1:09:45] Elliott Mattox: I know. I did an Instagram story that was like, what do you wear in a summer rainstorm? And people were like, Elliot. Rain boots. Like, what are you talking about? Rain boots. So I bought a pair of like yellow hunter boots, like classic galaches.

[1:09:59] Kristin Piro: Oh, you're gonna love it.

[1:10:00] David R. Gordon: I'm gonna tell you right now, you cannot wear them in the snow because a rain boot in the snow acts like a refrigerator on a thousand feet.

[1:10:08] Elliott Mattox: You want to do it?

[1:10:09] David R. Gordon: Yeah, you like it.

[1:10:09] Kristin Piro: But a rain boot will change your NYC life.

[1:10:12] Elliott Mattox: I will say I'm like ready for it to rain. I can't wait.

[1:10:17] David R. Gordon: You're gonna feel so empowered. I'm telling you.

[1:10:19] Kristin Piro: Yeah, everybody else on the corners like tiptoeing to see how deep the puddle is. Wave, wave as you're walking away.

[1:10:30] Elliott Mattox: Oh, sorry. Wow. Growing up.

[1:10:34] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, that's great.

[1:10:35] Elliott Mattox: Okay. And the last question is the um the moment when you're like, I can't believe this is my job. Whenever you've had that in your career, like you like you're in it and you're like, wow, like this is it.

[1:10:46] Kristin Piro: Packing my self-published cookbooks in my living room. I can't believe this is my job. Um putting, you know, a fuchsia lingerie set on to uh take a you know tip across the stage. I cannot believe it's my job.

[1:11:05] David R. Gordon: Yeah, but also like thank god this is my so often, but most mostly in theater, you know, an umpa loompa puppet hanging off your can't believe it's your job job, but thank you for this job.

[1:11:19] Kristin Piro: Yes, uh huh.

[1:11:21] David R. Gordon: Yeah, those those are the ones that stick out for me.

[1:11:23] Elliott Mattox: I feel like I have those moments in theater when I hear like feedback from the audience, or I can see the audience. I love when you can like see people's faces and how they're really reacting to something. To me, I'm like, I can't believe that what we are doing on stage is giving them that experience.

[1:11:41] Kristin Piro: And I love, and it's happened now with doing a lot of wine tastings for people like in person. It's so fun. It's like you're you get to be hanging out, it feels like a party, but you're also like it's a business. And I love when those people as well as the audience say to me, You look like you love what you're doing, because that to me is the ultimate compliment. I do love what I I'm glad you saw it because I do love it.

[1:12:06] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[1:12:07] Kristin Piro: Um, so that to me is the most wow, I can't believe this is my job to make somebody feel good.

[1:12:13] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, yeah. And wine and theater will do that.

[1:12:16] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Um, what's what are those quotes that like when you get to you're do you ever stop and realize because you looked back and you've realized everything is actually happening that you wanted to happen, whatever. Someone says a little more elderly.

[1:12:27] Kristin Piro: A meme somewhere.

[1:12:31] Elliott Mattox: But I feel like lately, especially like like you said, wrap both of what you said, uh wrapping up wine, knowing who it's going to, like, I'm putting my little like little extra touches, and then like my agent is calling at the same time. And I was like, oh, you know, we've always said that this wine world co only works if it coexists with theater. Like we are constantly brought broadening our audiences in both worlds, which makes them both work. And I think lately it was like that moment. I literally was sitting there packing up, and my agent was calling, and I was like, oh my God, I'm I'm happy. I literally, my mom was like, What's going on? Hi, mom. Um, and uh I was like, I was like, you know, I'm I just I this sounds so lame. I'm happy. And like what, you know, in with the year that we just had, it's uh hashtag blessed, like to be able to say I'm happy, and there's a lot that are less fortunate. And so like I don't take it for granted any day.

[1:13:28] Kristin Piro: Well, just really quick too, to connect with people. It's it's just like what you're saying, too. Like whether you're on stage or you know, uh as a person that has their own business and sends their own products to people, I I will say that I see every name that comes through. I see every name. And I I remember so when people message me on Instagram or something and say, Oh, I ordered my wine, and I'm like, I know I sent it out today. Yeah, but your label I know exactly who you are, you know, Vanessa. Like I put your label on. Um, and you really it's it's this moment of truly connecting with people. It's it's it feels really special.

[1:14:10] David R. Gordon: So yeah, yeah.

[1:14:12] Kristin Piro: Yeah, and I think that's like such an incredible blessing that's come from this time where we've all been so isolated where we really had to go elsewhere for our community, and you know, social media can be difficult at times, and it's definitely not always a positive experience. But when you find those positive moments, it's more than just you know you, you know, we go and we change the life of someone in a darkened theater where we don't ever see them or you know their name or anything, but where you can actually have that experience talking to them and knowing it's a really special connection.

[1:14:48] Elliott Mattox: Yeah, yes. Including this right now, like this is like truly special.

[1:14:53] Kristin Piro: Well, I mean, well, this is kind of off base, but I'll tell a story.

[1:14:56] David R. Gordon: Please go.

[1:14:57] Kristin Piro: Um you were there, you told me this story.

[1:15:00] David R. Gordon: Oh, okay. I want to relive it.

[1:15:01] Kristin Piro: Okay, go. So we were so you know, we we've been doing this podcast for four years. Actually, we started it during Charlie. All of us kind of going around full circle. But um two years ago now, I guess, when we were at Broadway Con, okay, we were selling shot glasses.

[1:15:18] David R. Gordon: Oh yeah at the table.

[1:15:20] Kristin Piro: And um, I was in and out because I was doing shows, but Caleb was there working the table for us.

[1:15:26] David R. Gordon: And do you want to say what well this uh woman came up and she was like, I've been listening to your podcast forever, and I came up from Boston, I believe, and she was like, and I want to come buy a shot glass from you and like be a part of your podcast because I've been listening for so long. It's just like, wow, like you're speaking into a void, you're like, you don't know who's listening, yeah, and who's affected by what you're talking about. And it's just like that moment made everything worthwhile. And that was our moment for that weekend. Like, yeah, but that was like, you know, it's it's very special when you can have those moments of actual connection.

[1:15:59] Caleb Dicke: Connection, yeah, and this is so cliche, but but even if it's with one person, yes, you know, like even that person who's like, hey, who who reaches out to you and is like, hey, you probably aren't gonna see this, or hey, you might get messages like that. It's like, no, this message that you're sending of positivity and connection means the world, and and this is how we can all this is all for the greater good. You know, yes, to to just spread, you know, anytime you have love in your heart, like let the people know. It's it's just really amazing.

[1:16:36] Elliott Mattox: And so, you know, whether it's one message a day or or or lots of them, you know, it's like it it means something, it matters, and it makes it it really stamps that moment in time, so it's nice. And it's sad that stage doors might not be a thing for a while because like I remember meeting that like person in the ensemble, or like Alien be like, Hey, like, I'm going to your school, or like people in the St. George say I listen to your podcast.

[1:17:01] Caleb Dicke: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[1:17:04] Elliott Mattox: And I'm like, and I'm literally always like, what? Like you care about me that much? Like, what? Like I'm like, I don't you do it basically thinking no one listens, but it's not true. But it's only about it. That's so cool.

[1:17:18] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[1:17:19] Kristin Piro: It's exciting to make the connections and the keep building them in the future.

[1:17:23] Elliott Mattox: Absolutely. Post-pandemic. You can have those connections in person with a beautiful meal and a glass of wine.

[1:17:31] Caleb Dicke: Cheers.

[1:17:32] Elliott Mattox: Listening to an amazing podcast.

[1:17:34] Caleb Dicke: There's your night.

[1:17:36] Elliott Mattox: Thank you all so much for chatting with us. This is really, really fun.

[1:17:39] Kristin Piro: Thanks for having us.

[1:17:42] David R. Gordon: Truly honored.

[1:17:44] Elliott Mattox: I just feel bad because I'm like, people are like wrap it up, okay. I just want to keep it.

[1:17:48] Caleb Dicke: No, they've missed the long form. We've been giving them episodes.

[1:17:52] Elliott Mattox: They're ready. I hope they're listening while drinking a bottle of wine.

[1:17:58] Caleb Dicke: Yes. At least.

[1:18:00] Elliott Mattox: Um where can people find you on social media? Katie, and where can people order your cookbooks?

[1:18:04] Katie Webber: Yeah, I'm at Katie Weber NYC, and that's Katie Webber with Tubies NYC on Instagram. And that's where uh you can find all my stuff. I'm Katie Weber NYC.com from my cookbooks and on Amazon.

[1:18:18] Elliott Mattox: Um then where can people find in intermission sellers and also the two of you?

[1:18:25] David R. Gordon: Yep. On Instagram or at intermission sellers.com.

[1:18:29] Kristin Piro: And that's sellers with a C. Like a yeah. And then uh you can find us there.

[1:18:35] David R. Gordon: And also we have an a very exciting thing to close out the episode.

[1:18:41] Kristin Piro: Uh for the rest of our hungover series, we will be drinking Intermission Sellers Walking.

[1:18:47] David R. Gordon: That's right.

[1:18:50] Kristin Piro: You're lucky.

[1:18:51] David R. Gordon: We are very lucky, not even gonna be hungover though.

[1:18:55] Kristin Piro: Wake up and be a rehearsal the next morning.

[1:18:57] David R. Gordon: I know, exactly. So we're very excited to be, you know, talking, and we'll have um you'll be hearing from Kristin and David again throughout our episodes, telling you a little bit about each wine uh as we drink them with our special guests.

[1:19:08] Kristin Piro: Um we're very excited to partner with friends and support each other.

[1:19:12] David R. Gordon: Yeah.

[1:19:13] Kristin Piro: Grow the community.

[1:19:14] David R. Gordon: I love that.

[1:19:15] Kristin Piro: Share it with others.

[1:19:16] David R. Gordon: Yeah. So if people want to order the wine to drink with us, they can go to the Instagram or as uh yeah, or on www.intermission sellers.com.

[1:19:25] Katie Webber: That's my best.

[1:19:27] Kristin Piro: I guess so. I've never been on a podcast.

[1:19:29] David R. Gordon: My first podcast.

[1:19:30] Katie Webber: Yes. Uh no, but it's all there, and you can and you know, always, as we were saying, like uh message us, DMs the kids say. Uh message us if you have any questions or problems or things like that.

[1:19:41] Caleb Dicke: Slide into those DMs. Let's go.

[1:19:43] Elliott Mattox: That's right. Um you can find the podcast at Equity One Podcast on Instagram and TikTok and at Equity One underscore on Twitter.

[1:19:56] Caleb Dicke: Um you can send us an email at Equity One Podcast at gmail.com. Let us know your thoughts, and please head on over right now to the iPhone Apple app for podcasts.

[1:20:06] Elliott Mattox: So Apple Podcasts appear.

[1:20:07] Caleb Dicke: Yes.

[1:20:08] Elliott Mattox: Give us a five-star rating review. This really helps other um listeners find our podcasts. It really helps us out. Please do that. Remember how we were talking about like one like nice comment a day?

[1:20:18] Caleb Dicke: Like you could just do that on the Apple Podcast app for our podcast.

[1:20:23] Elliott Mattox: Keep them coming.

[1:20:24] Caleb Dicke: Yeah. Um, Elliot, where can we find you?

[1:20:25] Elliott Mattox: You can find me at Elliot Maddox on everything.

[1:20:27] Caleb Dicke: Uh Caleb Dickey on everything.

[1:20:30] Elliott Mattox: And until next next time. Cheers.

[1:20:31] Caleb Dicke: Cheers.

[1:20:34] Elliott Mattox: I need more wine.

[1:20:36] Caleb Dicke: I know me too.