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[0:00] Andrew: We've got a mission to find the best song that's ever been on Glee.

[0:09] Andrew: There's no rhyme or reason to it, so don't get mad at me.

[0:18] Andrew: Gleek it by Gleek it, we'll rank everyone to see which song will move closer to spot number one.

[0:26] Andrew: Gleek of the Week, Gleek, Gleek, Gleek of the Week. It's Gleek, Gleek of the Week.

[0:34] Andrew: Hey guys, we're back with another episode. We're going to talk about the hit Fox show Glee.

[0:39] Andrew: Big surprise, we're talking about that show again.

[0:43] Andrew: It's round four and I'm joined by many return time guests, Suzy Pepper aka Ian Allred.

[0:55] Ian Allred: Hey! Hi! It's me! What's her face from Grey's Anatomy?

[1:03] Andrew: Wait, who? Suzy Pepper, that actress on Grey's Anatomy.

[1:07] Ian Allred: Oh, yes, she is. Yeah. What is the actress' name? No, there's no way of knowing.

[1:13] Andrew: I know, unfortunately.

[1:15] Andrew: Okay, the other guest is signaling that he knows. Let's bring him in so he can say it.

[1:22] Hunter Martin: It's Hunter from Round One fame. Hello?

[1:25] Ian Allred: Hi, that actress' name is Sarah Drew.

[1:29] Andrew: Sarah Drew! Wow.

[1:32] Ian Allred: Plays Dr. April Kepner.

[1:35] Andrew: April Kepner. Let's do a little debrief of who the hell Hunter is.

[1:40] Andrew: Because Hunter has only made one appearance on the Glocket.

[1:44] Hunter Martin: What year are we saying? That was 2023 or 2?

[1:50] Ian Allred: It was right when I moved to New York, I think, that same year.

[1:57] Hunter Martin: So 2023, 22, yeah.

[2:01] Andrew: And since then, we've been doing some gay guy meetups, with Ian included, and when we referenced the hit Fox show Glee, you really put on that, like, you know a lot more than we would assume.

[2:17] Hunter Martin: I know, I feel like sometimes I'm taking you to the carpet.

[2:20] Andrew: Oh, yeah, and I'm like, with the Sarah Drew of it all, that I'm like, wait a minute, what do you know about Sarah Drew?

[2:27] Hunter Martin: But sometimes I'll say some Glee facts, and Andrew will whip his head back, and be like, wow, that is a deep cut.

[2:35] Hunter Martin: There was one specifically that you were talking about the photo shoot of all of them covered in toilet paper, and then you were like, and I think Lea Michele is seated at a little school desk, and I'm like, is that true? And then we looked it up, sure enough, Lea Michele is seated at a little school desk.

[2:58] Hunter Martin: And that's when you knew, I was a brain of games.

[3:02] Andrew: I was like, why would he make that up, actually? Anyway.

[3:06] Hunter Martin: Is this when we were at, I remember having a very intense Glee discussion at about 10:30 PM at Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville in Times Square.

[3:15] Ian Allred: I think it might have been later than that.

[3:18] Hunter Martin: Oh, okay, hey.

[3:20] Hunter Martin: Because it was on the verge of closing.

[3:23] Andrew: We were the last people there.

[3:25] Hunter Martin: We were the last people, we got kicked out of, we shut down the Times Square Jimmy Buffett Margaritaville.

[3:30] Andrew: I don't know if y'all remember this, but there was a couple that was sitting across from us that were having a real fight.

[3:37] Ian Allred: Oh, I don't remember this.

[3:40] Hunter Martin: Someone was talking to me at Margaritaville, sitting across from me, and I was like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, and my ear was just like a Looney Tunes-style ear, trying to hear what was going on across the table.

[3:52] Hunter Martin: Because it was a man and woman, and the guy was like, just stop talking to me, just stop talking to me.

[3:59] Andrew: And I said, not this happening at the Times Square Margaritaville. You're supposed to be wasting away.

[4:04] Ian Allred: Seriously, it's 5 o'clock somewhere, calm down.

[4:10] Hunter Martin: Calm down.

[4:12] Ian Allred: I didn't clock into that at all, I had no idea that that happened.

[4:16] Hunter Martin: I was really digging into the nachos.

[4:18] Ian Allred: Digging into the nachos.

[4:20] Hunter Martin: They were, oh my god, the nachos at Margaritaville?

[4:24] Ian Allred: Wait, I kind of need it again.

[4:27] Hunter Martin: No.

[4:29] Ian Allred: They were probably $30.

[4:32] Hunter Martin: We sat down, they put the money in front of us, and I went, we made a big mistake coming here.

[4:37] Andrew: And whose idea was Margaritaville?

[4:40] Ian Allred: It was not mine.

[4:42] Hunter Martin: I did full send support it when it was brought up, but it was not my idea.

[4:47] Hunter Martin: Andrew, do you recall whose idea Margaritaville was?

[4:49] Hunter Martin: I want to say it was like, me.

[4:55] Hunter Martin: Like, me.

[4:57] Andrew: Well, there's the culprit.

[4:59] Hunter Martin: It was me. We were trying to figure out what to do, and I said, we can always go to Margaritaville in Times Square, and I also suggested Applebee's.

[5:07] Ian Allred: I don't think anyone heard me say Applebee's.

[5:09] Hunter Martin: Which would have been, I would rather Margaritaville than Applebee's.

[5:11] Ian Allred: Applebee's is just as expensive in Times Square.

[5:14] Andrew: Yes.

[5:16] Hunter Martin: And Margaritaville at least has a giant Lady Liberty that's holding a margarita.

[5:20] Ian Allred: Applebee's has nothing.

[5:22] Ian Allred: It's just a normal Applebee's, but twice as expensive.

[5:24] Hunter Martin: I think there's a cardboard cutout of Dwayne The Rock Johnson in the Applebee's still.

[5:28] Ian Allred: Girl, I don't care.

[5:30] Ian Allred: If I want to see Dwayne The Rock Johnson, I will go outside Madame Tussauds where he's posed as a wax figure.

[5:34] Hunter Martin: Right.

[5:36] Ian Allred: For free!

[5:38] Ian Allred: I want to see him in real life. Hello!

[5:43] Hunter Martin: Wait, I've always thought this. With Madame Tussauds, they have this thing where it's always The Rock, but then next to The Rock is the latest wax figure that they're debuting, or something. Why is The Rock always the one that's perennial?

[5:55] Andrew: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously, a government named Dwayne Johnson. I know him.

[5:59] Hunter Martin: The Rock is his stage name when he's wrestling or acting.

[6:03] Andrew: Madame Tussauds is his stage name.

[6:05] Hunter Martin: I know him.

[6:08] Hunter Martin: Madame Tussauds is his stage name when he's wrestling or acting. Madame Tussauds is his name when he's sculpting.

[6:12] Andrew: It's actually his wax museum.

[6:14] Hunter Martin: Now, the first time I ever went to that Madame Tussauds wax museum, I was, I think, 13. It was my 13th birthday request. I went to Ripley's, believe it or not. And then we went straight on to Madame Tussauds.

[6:26] Hunter Martin: And I remember RuPaul was in the center of the fountain. The elevator's open, and a wax figure of RuPaul is there.

[6:34] Ian Allred: Oh, she's in the middle, yes.

[6:37] Hunter Martin: Is she still there? Do we have eyes? Anyone have eyes on RuPaul's wax figure?

[6:45] Ian Allred: And that's also when there was a wax figure of Miley Cyrus in there next to, like, a ruler to see how tall she was.

[6:51] Andrew: Wait, it's also important to add that Hunter hosts a Disney Channel podcast, and so I have a question about Miley Cyrus' wax figure that I'm going to ask right now.

[7:01] Andrew: What era Miley do they have a wax figure of?

[7:06] Hunter Martin: Oh, so this was, like, still, like, Disney. Because this was 20... 2008?

[7:12] Ian Allred: Oh, okay.

[7:14] Hunter Martin: So definitely, like, Hannah Montana.

[7:18] Ian Allred: Because she was placed right beside Zac Efron's wax figure.

[7:22] Hunter Martin: And he was in his high school musical basketball uniform.

[7:26] Andrew: Oh.

[7:28] Ian Allred: Do they still have that? Like, what happens?

[7:32] Hunter Martin: I don't know, because you're, like... Miley Cyrus' wax figure, at the time, they modeled it after what she looked like when she was, what, 16, 17? I remember...

[7:42] Ian Allred: And I don't feel like you can update the wardrobe to that, because if we're doing bangers with the short hair blonde, she was not 16, 17. She was, like, in her 20s.

[7:50] Ian Allred: Andrew, you have something to say.

[7:54] Andrew: Oh, what I have to say is I remember... Longtime Disneyland fans will remember that when you went to Disneyland, one of their great moments with Mr. Lincoln is now. There used to be a, like, the story of Disneyland attraction. And as you left it, it had, like, a hall of fame that was, like, spirit of innovation. And it was, like, a picture of the Wright brothers. And, like, a picture of Thomas Edison. And one of them was, like, spirit of entertainment or something. And it was Miley Cyrus as Hannah Montana.

[8:24] Ian Allred: And then, famously, in 2013, she was on, uh, maybe the MTV Movie Awards? The VMAs? With Robin Thicke.

[8:34] Hunter Martin: When she did the famous Robin Thicke blurred lines performance.

[8:38] Ian Allred: And the next time I went to Disneyland in early 2014, whose picture had been taken off that wall? Miley Cyrus.

[8:42] Hunter Martin: But then...

[8:46] Ian Allred: Now she's a Disney legend. Five years later, they have reinstated her onto the wall. Disney saw the error of their ways. They have made up. Disney and Miley are friends again.

[8:56] Hunter Martin: And she is back. At least last time I went, she had been reinstated on that wall.

[9:00] Andrew: Wow. She's a Disney legend.

[9:02] Ian Allred: She built the walls, so she should be on the walls, you know what I mean?

[9:06] Hunter Martin: I just remember the first time that I went to the damn Wax Museum was with Allison Dodge in 2013. Our first, like, link-up, iconically. At the end of the museum, it, like, has a screen where it says, like, who would you like to see at the museum? And we just spammed it with Gleecast. We just, like, typed in Gleecast, Gleecast, Gleecast, Gleecast.

[9:28] Ian Allred: Do any of them have... Well, Jane Lynch has one.

[9:32] Hunter Martin: Jane Lynch has one, yes.

[9:34] Ian Allred: But we wanted the entire crew.

[9:36] Hunter Martin: I haven't been to that museum since literally 2004.

[9:40] Ian Allred: Oh.

[9:42] Hunter Martin: And at that age, I did not have my finger on the pop culture pulse in the way that I do now. So I knew the, like, very famous people, you know, like, of course, I knew the Incredible Hulk. I've never seen anyone that big in green before.

[9:54] Ian Allred: But I would say I recognize probably one out of every...

[9:58] Hunter Martin: No, that's my brain.

[10:00] Hunter Martin: I've never seen someone that big in green before.

[10:04] Ian Allred: Well, have you?

[10:06] Hunter Martin: Well, have you?

[10:08] Ian Allred: Notwithstanding.

[10:10] Andrew: Yeah.

[10:12] Hunter Martin: Anyways, so I probably recognized one in, like, six.

[10:14] Ian Allred: Someone keeps honking their freaking horn outside my window.

[10:18] Hunter Martin: It's the Hulk.

[10:20] Andrew: So if my mic is picking that up, I'm sorry.

[10:22] Hunter Martin: It's the Hulk. He's mad at me.

[10:24] Hunter Martin: I probably recognize, like, one in six wax figures. And the rest were all just strangers. But I knew, obviously, that they all were prolific, famous people. So I kept, like, getting my sister to take my picture with all of them. And there was a time that I went up to a wax figure to get a picture and it was fully another customer at Madame Tussauds who just had been standing still for a moment.

[10:44] Ian Allred: No.

[10:46] Hunter Martin: That's not real.

[10:48] Ian Allred: When did they, like, start...

[10:50] Hunter Martin: Before I, like, took a picture with him. But, like, I was like, oh! That's a wax figure. That must be a famous person. Like, walked up to him and then he, like, took a step. And I was like, ah!

[11:00] Ian Allred: Imagine you're so...

[11:02] Hunter Martin: Imagine, like, you're so dissociation. People think you're a statue. You're just zoned out.

[11:06] Ian Allred: Zoned out in the middle of Madame Tussauds.

[11:10] Hunter Martin: Dissociating in Madame Tussauds. Like, hello?

[11:12] Ian Allred: Like, literally.

[11:18] Hunter Martin: Oh my god. I would be inconsolable for the rest of the day.

[11:22] Ian Allred: Oh my god.

[11:24] Hunter Martin: If someone did that to me.

[11:26] Hunter Martin: I'd be like, so? Someone thought I was a statue again.

[11:28] Ian Allred: But that is Mia Thermopolis core.

[11:30] Hunter Martin: But that is a testament to the amazing work they're doing at Madame Tussauds. Because, I'm gonna be honest, most of them are pretty fugly. But every once in a while, they do get one so right that you're like, that's a human being. Like, there's life behind those eyes.

[11:44] Ian Allred: They have someone into this statue.

[11:46] Hunter Martin: So the fact that I thought a real life human being was a wax figure, actually, they should put that on their website.

[11:54] Andrew: Wait, can I ask?

[11:56] Hunter Martin: That's a glowing review.

[11:58] Andrew: What were they wearing?

[12:00] Hunter Martin: He literally was probably wearing jeans and a hoodie, I'm gonna be honest.

[12:04] Ian Allred: I was like, I love New York.

[12:06] Hunter Martin: I was going to ask if it was like someone that you visualized had the it factor. Like, oh, this is someone famous.

[12:14] Hunter Martin: No, but sometimes they're like the cast of Friends as their characters in Friends. Matthew Perry's just wearing a bowling tee, you know? They're not all dressed to the nines. Sometimes they're in jeans and a hoodie. Sometimes they're just people.

[12:30] Hunter Martin: And I also was nine years old, okay? Good on you.

[12:40] Hunter Martin: When I went, there was this Simon Cowell statue, and this was during, obviously, the height of American Idol. I think, wait, not to bring it back to Glee, but since I'm here, I think I'm talking about the same New York trip that I was at that I watched the premiere of Glee, that was on my birthday.

[12:56] Andrew: Okay, thank you. Finally, someone's gonna talk about Glee.

[14:07] Broadway Podcast Network:

[15:08] Andrew: Speaking of Mariah Carey, who had two songs featured on the hit Fox show Glee, one in a mashup, I'm talking, of course, about "All I Want for Christmas Is You" and "I Still Believe," just for the people keeping score.

[15:30] Andrew: I still believe. Those are the only two Mariah Carey songs they ever did.

[15:36] Andrew: I have a voicemail related to this Glee podcast, which I'm going to play right now.

[15:44] Drew: Hello, Andrew. Drew here. Congrats on round four again. I just wanted to call in and address something that was brought up. I believe it was Patrick that brought up that it would be a failure if "Don't Stop Believin'" won the Glackett, as it is a song that, like, the casual Gleek would choose, and we, quote-unquote, true Gleeks would know better.

[16:01] Drew: I'm not a fan of this, as it feels like we are kind of gatekeeping the Glackett. I feel there are a lot of popular Glee songs that deserve the win, just as much as some of our deep-cut favorites. Nothing gets my heart pumping more than hearing those first few bars of "Don't Stop." It basically fills me up with Glee.

[16:35] Drew: Though it's not, like, my favorite song, I do want it to go far, possibly the finals, and I think it would be much deserving if it got that far. I think we all need to ask ourselves, what are the criteria a song needs to be the winner of the Glackett, even if it does not line up with what our favorite song is? We are at the end. We are at the brass tacks, and hard decisions have to be made, so we really need to think deep about each of these competitions.

[17:26] Drew: Anyways, thank you again. I hope I get to Glackett again soon.

[17:31] Andrew: That's from Drew. Drew, you know Drew, Ian.

[17:33] Ian Allred: Yes, I do know Drew.

[17:35] Hunter Martin: We Glacketted together famously.

[17:37] Ian Allred: I've also...

[17:38] Hunter Martin: Oh my god!

[17:39] Ian Allred: I've... Yes! I don't remember what episode, but I've known Drew prior to that, but we have Glacketted together as well. I love Drew. He's great.

[17:48] Andrew: I have an immediate response, but I want to throw it to either of you, if you have a response to Drew's gloicemail.

[17:54] Hunter Martin: So was the overall thesis, was like, "Don't Stop Believin'" should not be crowned the winner?

[18:04] Ian Allred: Because it's too easy.

[18:07] Hunter Martin: It's too much of an obvious choice.

[18:08] Andrew: See, okay. Honey, she's too easy. But if it's good, it's gonna win.

[18:13] Ian Allred: Like, sure. Okay, where do you stand, Hunter? We're really learning a lot about you through this episode. Where do you stand with "Don't Stop Believin'"?

[18:20] Hunter Martin: Which version?

[18:24] Ian Allred: The original?

[18:25] Hunter Martin: We're talking about Pilot. That's the only one left in the Glackett.

[18:27] Hunter Martin: Okay, I mean, I think a hit is a hit, a hit is a hit, you know? There's a reason Glee became the Glee it became, because "Don't Stop Believin'" at the end of the episode. I remember when I bought it on iTunes, I would go on road trips and stuff, and I really wouldn't watch the episode. I would just fast forward to watch the scene, like when those trumpets come on, and y'all know the trumpets.

[18:53] Ian Allred: The trumpets of "Don't Stop Believin'."

[18:54] Hunter Martin: Wait, Ian, are you placing the trumpets?

[18:55] Ian Allred: Oh, come on.

[18:56] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[18:57] Ian Allred: Okay, I'm not good with instruments.

[18:58] Hunter Martin: Working hard to get my fill.

[18:59] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[19:00] Hunter Martin: And you know, it's just so iconic. So I'm sorry, Drew, that you don't think "Don't Stop Believin'" should win, but if it wins, it wins.

[19:03] Andrew: Oh, opposite.

[19:04] Hunter Martin: Opposite?

[19:05] Andrew: Drew is defending "Don't Stop Believin'" winning.

[19:06] Hunter Martin: Drew is?

[19:07] Andrew: Yeah.

[19:08] Hunter Martin: Patrick and Charlie said that it shouldn't win.

[19:09] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[19:10] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[19:11] Andrew: Yeah.

[19:12] Hunter Martin: I'm with "Don't Stop Believin'" winning, Patrick and Charlie said that it shouldn't win.

[19:13] Ian Allred: Yes.

[19:14] Hunter Martin: Okay.

[19:15] Andrew: So, Drew, I'm with you. Sorry.

[19:26] Hunter Martin: Sorry. Really. Just like, keep going where the wind takes you.

[19:31] Ian Allred: So, Drew, let me tell you something. Give me Drew's number so I can text him apologies when he hears this.

[19:35] Hunter Martin: But yeah, I'm with, if "Don't Stop Believin'" wins, it's kind of like, yeah.

[19:42] Ian Allred: To take it from like a Disney perspective.

[19:45] Hunter Martin: Oh.

[19:47] Ian Allred: Like, if a High School Musical song wins, you're like, yeah, like as cliché as it is, a High School Musical song is going to win.

[19:54] Hunter Martin: If they did, if you did the practice of like putting together all of the, I guess it would be like Disney Channel property songs.

[20:00] Ian Allred: The D-Com musical songs.

[20:05] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[20:08] Ian Allred: Which we actually, we've done a, like on our Patreon, we've done like a High School Musical March Madness.

[20:14] Hunter Martin: Okay.

[20:17] Ian Allred: And who came out on top?

[20:18] Hunter Martin: I think it was...

[20:20] Ian Allred: There's a correct answer here. Be careful.

[20:22] Hunter Martin: I think it was either "Breaking Free" or "Start of Something New," I think, came out on top.

[20:27] Ian Allred: It definitely was a Tori and Gabriella song.

[20:31] Hunter Martin: And we were like, yeah, as cliché as it is, they have the best songs.

[20:34] Ian Allred: Wait, Ian, who are you saying?

[20:36] Hunter Martin: So patently untrue.

[20:37] Ian Allred: It is, of course, "I Want It All" from High School Musical 3, that is the best number in the entire trilogy.

[20:44] Hunter Martin: I'm so glad we're saying this.

[20:46] Ian Allred: Is it just that you're both wrong?

[20:47] Hunter Martin: No, because like, it's objective truth.

[20:50] Ian Allred: I have a playlist that's called best song of all time, and they all share the title of best song of all time.

[20:55] Ian Allred: And I think like in the top four best song of all time is "You Are The Music In Me" from High School Musical 2. I think that song is gorgeous.

[21:03] Hunter Martin: I love it.

[21:09] Ian Allred: It's so good. Na na na na. We'll get you every time.

[21:14] Andrew: Ian, what do you have to say about "Don't Stop Believin'"?

[21:16] Ian Allred: Okay. What do I have to say about "Don't Stop Believin'"? I understand where Drew is coming from. I do, you know, "Don't Stop Believin'," it's the theme song of Glee. We had on Recovering Gleek, we had someone email us one time about how this song is about Glee's thesis statement, you know, just the concept of don't stop believing and believe that your dreams can come true, et cetera, et cetera.

[21:39] Ian Allred: So I understand that. And I understand like, we don't want to be like elitist us versus them, as like we are true fans of the show and other people aren't true fans of the show.

[21:54] Ian Allred: I do also see, I'm not trying to keep Glee, I think everyone should watch Glee. Glee was a show that everyone did watch for like the first two years. And then there is so much more Glee that people just don't look at at all and have never acknowledged.

[22:12] Ian Allred: And it's not like I'm a pure Gleek and I like am more valuable than you because I've seen the whole show. But it is just like, I want to, I want to like shine a light on this stuff that didn't get recognized.

[22:25] Andrew: What are you referring to when you talk about something that didn't get recognized?

[22:31] Ian Allred: I am just like, is "Don't Stop Believin'" the winner because it is the best song? Or is it the winner because it is the song that everyone knows because every person in America watched that pilot?

[22:43] Ian Allred: Because like me personally, my opinion, no, like me trying to gatekeep at least consciously, me not trying to gatekeep at all, Ian Allred fully believes that the Adele mashup in season three is a better song, both as a song and the storytelling that it's doing in the episode and as a visual production number, that that is a better song than "Don't Stop Believin'."

[23:07] Ian Allred: But "Don't Stop Believin'" is like the song everyone knows is from Glee because everyone in America was watching season one when they did that song as bookends of the season.

[23:18] Ian Allred: And so I want to agree with Drew that I'm like, we shouldn't discard it because everyone knows it and like roll our eyes and be like, Oh my gosh, you know, yeah, the average Gleek is going to pick this song.

[23:31] Ian Allred: But also as someone who like loves this show dearly. There are other songs that I personally do like more than that song that I think do not get their fair shake in the monoculture and like the cultural I simply because less people were watching the show when those songs happened.

[23:53] Andrew: Does that make sense?

[23:54] Hunter Martin: Yes.

[23:55] Andrew: And I love what both of you are saying. I think it really poses such an interesting question, Drew. What I've been thinking this past week specifically was like, just the Glacka as a whole. I'm like, what am I? Because like, we are in the top 100 songs, we've already gotten rid of a few that I'm like, what? Like, I really need to be specific about what I'm voting for.

[24:14] Andrew: And one thing that I've really kept on like coming back to, and like, I know that like, it sounds like I'm treating this seriously, but I should be treating it seriously. But I also understand that I shouldn't be treating it seriously, whatever.

[24:29] Andrew: But the thing that I really love about certain Glee songs that I keep on coming back to is camaraderie. And I think that like, you definitely find that within "Don't Stop Believin'" that it's like these, you have these six entirely different characters that are only brought together by the music, which I think is so special.

[24:51] Andrew: But then I was thinking, I was like, does that kind of rule out every solo? And I'm like, actually, not so fast. Because like, in "Ain't No Way," you have all of them, like cheering Mercedes on, and they're all like, so happy that she's getting her moment.

[25:08] Andrew: And so I'm like, you do find camaraderie in a bunch of different songs. But I don't know, I just like, I want, I'm looking for that. That's what I'm looking for, at least tonight, you know?

[25:22] Ian Allred: Yeah, I think it's important, to Drew's point, I think it's important that we don't just like, poo-poo "Don't Stop Believin'" simply because it's like, the obvious choice.

[25:31] Hunter Martin: Like, I think whenever it gets drawn, we need to forget how overdone we might think it is and really come at it with fresh eyes.

[25:40] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[25:41] Hunter Martin: But also, my personal glack at Ian Allred, it wouldn't win. I think it'd make it far, but it would not win.

[25:45] Ian Allred: I think it all depends, like how, no matter how long it has been, when you go back and watch a Glee song, how it makes you feel, like if you get transported.

[25:56] Hunter Martin: And every time I watch that original "Don't Stop Believin'" performance, I just imagine like, I was obsessed with this show because I, you know, it's kind of like...

[26:08] Ian Allred: You were freshly back from Madame Tussauds, literally watched American Idol, like finally some real people.

[26:14] Hunter Martin: Like, I went to New York that summer. I went to theater camp that summer, and like, so it was, it was on.

[26:26] Ian Allred: So, and "Don't Stop Believin'," well, I think that will be the, there's a couple of handful of Glee songs, I think, for me.

[26:33] Andrew: Take us through a hundred, because we're not as familiar with your Glee game. What is the winner of your glack at and what are like the kind of like the top songs for you?

[26:42] Ian Allred: So I think because I was one of those people who watched it from beginning to end actual airtime.

[26:50] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[26:52] Ian Allred: So I didn't stop.

[26:56] Ian Allred: Some of my favorite songs that like immediately take me back are, they run the gamut. One of them being "You Drive Me Crazy, Crazy Mashup" from season four.

[27:06] Hunter Martin: Oh, that's a deep cut.

[27:08] Ian Allred: There's also I have a very visceral connection to "Party All the Time."

[27:16] Hunter Martin: Oh, yes. What do you mean by visceral? So in college, when that episode came out, I was the only one at that time. It was like me and four other people watching it that premiere night in America. Yes. And it was the 100th part two.

[27:34] Ian Allred: 100 part two, 101 as some would call it.

[27:37] Hunter Martin: 101 Dalmatians. Gleemations.

[27:41] Ian Allred: 101 Gleemations.

[27:43] Hunter Martin: Okay, okay. Proud owner for title of app. I love that.

[27:47] Ian Allred: So we had the black box theater. I was in the theater department. Surprise, surprise. And I was in the black box theater and we would do dance parties like at late at night because we had access to it.

[27:57] Hunter Martin: Yeah, we would put it and I put on one of the outros version of party on the time. And people kept piling it and we made a choreographed dance to it.

[28:05] Ian Allred: No.

[28:06] Hunter Martin: And that became the theme. Like every time there was a dance party in the black box, we would all at one probably either the first dance of the night. It was like a free for all people would plug up their phones and just like, go, go, go. We would like be there till like two o'clock in the morning. And without warning, I would put on part of your time and everyone got in the correct formation.

[28:27] Ian Allred: Yeah, and ever and we would like open up the curtain. So every because like a dance place too. So there's like mirror so everyone can follow along. I was always at the front and I was like, here we go. Anyway, that was a very large. I'll show you all the dance.

[28:40] Hunter Martin: I love that party all the time is right now talked about enough. And I think it's so much fun. I love all of their outfits and like the behind the scenes kind of stuff that they they like Diana and Leah together, like doing the the choreo together. I think that's so and the bubble party.

[28:58] Ian Allred: Yes.

[28:59] Hunter Martin: Lena loves that song.

[29:02] Ian Allred: It's really, really special. Yeah.

[29:04] Hunter Martin: Oh, I also loved one from season one. I loved that. Why can't even find like I can't even find the melody.

[29:12] Ian Allred: Oh, I thought you meant why I thought you meant the five second snippet we get of one in the pilot.

[29:24] Hunter Martin: Oh, no. One. Yeah. Yeah. In the fall. And then like, Rachel, what about you? I hear you. Right. Right. I think Glee is like really strong when there's because I feel like later on this show was just like, oh, this song is popular. Darren Chris, grab a mic. Get on. This has nothing to do with what this go on here. Damn, you know, here. Damn.

[29:46] Ian Allred: Wait, so what are you saying? Solidifying? Are any of these songs your winner?

[29:51] Hunter Martin: I don't think they're any of my winner. They're just songs that have like memories attached to them. And I think Glee is at its strongest when there are things attached to the songs like so like take a bow when she's singing on stage and then it cuts her singing and Quinn and then the hairbrush, you know, it's all those like visceral visual memories you get with some of the songs.

[30:13] Ian Allred: We're doing this because it's whatever.

[30:18] Hunter Martin: So this is so stupid and it's fully off topic. So Hunter, you can finish your thought.

[30:24] Ian Allred: No, my thoughts finished.

[30:26] Hunter Martin: Okay, it was you talking about later on. They were like, oh, this song is popular. It's like, let's just stick it in the show. There is a trend on Twitter recently that is pissing me off because someone posted a tweet that was about like, I think it's so funny to watch as Glee gets more popular, how they clearly are just building plot lines around songs that they were like, we're going to use this song. And now how can we shoehorn it in? How can we build a plot around that?

[30:55] Ian Allred: They would do that.

[30:56] Hunter Martin: So someone posted that tweet.

[30:59] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[31:01] Hunter Martin: And that is 100% something that Glee does. A critique I have had of the show from the beginning is like, we are just going to like fill in the blank personality traits for our characters episode to episode so that we can build a plot that is, you know, exactly that is a vehicle for this popular song.

[31:21] Ian Allred: What pisses me off is people keep retweeting it with examples. And this is truly something the show has done so many times that there are like 100 examples of it.

[31:33] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[31:34] Ian Allred: And yet somehow they keep naming examples that are not that.

[31:38] Hunter Martin: Wait, what are they naming?

[31:39] Ian Allred: Like, for example, someone was like someone and this is a real example that they were like the fact that they named Jonathan Groff's character Jesse just so they could have Finn sing Jesse's Girl. 100%. That is why he was named Jesse's. That was the point.

[31:52] Hunter Martin: I'm fine with that, though.

[31:53] Ian Allred: Oh, I am too. I literally don't care.

[31:56] Hunter Martin: That's like one in every 10. The other nine are like when this is so stupid. When they had Beast be an abusive relationship just so they could sing Cell Block Tango.

[32:13] Ian Allred: And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Other way around. They wanted to get they wanted to get the Nobel Peace Prize by talking about abusive relationships on the show, and then they couldn't come up with a song.

[32:26] Hunter Martin: So they're like, I guess Cell Block Tango, it barely even works in the plot. It just like.

[32:31] Ian Allred: Oh, no, that's the point of them singing it.

[32:35] Hunter Martin: What the hell? That's not what that was.

[32:37] Ian Allred: Were y'all part of Glee Tumblr? Surely?

[32:40] Hunter Martin: I was not. I wasn't a part of Tumblr.

[32:43] Ian Allred: Okay, I would dabble. I'm showing all my Glee cards. I would dabble in like the Glee Tumblr pages, like the spoiler pages.

[32:55] Hunter Martin: Yes, Gleek out Brazil.

[32:57] Ian Allred: And there was like, someone was tweeting, not tweeting, tumbling, what would you call them?

[33:04] Hunter Martin: Tumbling, yeah.

[33:05] Ian Allred: Tumbling? About that episode, and they would say, someone's in an abusive relationship, period. And everyone is like now theorizing, okay, he was on the show, like, clearly it can't be Mike and Tina, clearly it can't be like, so and so, so and so.

[33:20] Hunter Martin: They don't get plot lines.

[33:22] Ian Allred: We were all like, um, and then I, so I always remember that plot line, because I was like, I know someone in this show is going to be a part of that storyline, but who? Who's it gonna be?

[33:33] Hunter Martin: Um, do we want to do we want to pull a song out of this cup?

[33:39] Ian Allred: If we have to.

[33:41] Hunter Martin: Then after that, pull another one, discuss that one, and decide what we like better.

[33:47] Ian Allred: Oh, I guess, like they're going up against each other in like a bracket.

[33:51] Hunter Martin: It's kind of like a bracket. Oh, I had a feeling that she would show up tonight.

[33:57] Ian Allred: And I'm saying she but I really actually mean he, I think he's definitely he.

[34:02] Hunter Martin: I just misgendered this song. You already know what the hell.

[34:06] Ian Allred: I can't see the screen.

[34:08] Hunter Martin: Oh, somewhere we go sometimes.

[34:11] Ian Allred: Someplace we go sometimes.

[34:14] Hunter Martin: No way someone get Allison on the phone.

[34:18] Ian Allred: Okay, I look around, everyone's crying.

[34:22] Hunter Martin: Where was Rachel crying?

[34:25] Ian Allred: No, actually, that's a great question.

[34:30] Hunter Martin: Where the fuck was Rachel? Is she not even in the white shots? Wait, go back.

[34:34] Ian Allred: No, I didn't. She's not there.

[34:36] Hunter Martin: She's not there. She's mad at him. I'm gonna share my screen, but this is she's not.

[34:41] Ian Allred: This is a super long episode.

[34:44] Hunter Martin: Well, this is Born This Way. This is Born This Way.

[34:46] Ian Allred: Wait, so she's consulting with the doctor about her rhinoplasty, of course.

[34:51] Hunter Martin: Yeah, she's so there's okay, I'm going to do audio medium telling the characters that we see.

[34:58] Ian Allred: Lauren Zeisies, Puck, Finn, Quinn, Brittany, Sam, Artie, Kurt.

[35:04] Hunter Martin: That's like Mike and Tina.

[35:06] Ian Allred: And the Mercedes is back there too.

[35:09] Hunter Martin: Yeah. Wait, so 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.

[35:17] Ian Allred: And that's 11 with Kurt.

[35:19] Hunter Martin: So I think that all we're missing.

[35:21] Ian Allred: Oh, wait, we're missing a Sam.

[35:23] Hunter Martin: No, Sam's there.

[35:25] Ian Allred: Sam is there.

[35:26] Hunter Martin: Oh, Sam's right there.

[35:28] Ian Allred: Because there should be 13 kids in the club at this point.

[35:30] Hunter Martin: Wait, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

[35:34] Ian Allred: I think it's everyone but Rachel.

[35:37] Hunter Martin: It's everyone but Rachel.

[35:38] Ian Allred: I'm counting 12.

[35:39] Hunter Martin: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

[35:44] Ian Allred: I stopped sharing. I'm so sorry.

[35:46] Hunter Martin: I think it is everyone but Rachel.

[35:48] Ian Allred: Rachel is consulting with her doctor.

[35:52] Hunter Martin: She got signed out of school.

[35:54] Ian Allred: Because at the end, when Kurt was hugging everyone, I said, okay, we're getting Blaine, Mercedes.

[35:59] Hunter Martin: And then he didn't go for Rachel.

[36:01] Ian Allred: And I was like, oh.

[36:02] Hunter Martin: Wait.

[36:03] Ian Allred: I'm trying to look at the in-depth play-by-play of this episode to be like, what is the most recent Rachel scene?

[36:13] Hunter Martin: It can't be Barbra Streisand.

[36:15] Ian Allred: That's after this, I swear.

[36:17] Hunter Martin: Remember the promo for this episode?

[36:19] Ian Allred: They really promoted it that it was 90 minutes.

[36:23] Hunter Martin: Yes, I remember this.

[36:25] Ian Allred: And they go, it's 90 Gleeking minutes.

[36:28] Hunter Martin: Wait, I have the entire episode that I can pull it up in.

[36:32] Ian Allred: I think Barbra Streisand is after this, am I correct?

[36:35] Hunter Martin: So she is still in the throes of potential nose job.

[36:39] Ian Allred: Because Glee Wiki has it all out of order.

[36:41] Hunter Martin: Glee Wiki has it all out of order.

[36:43] Ian Allred: They tell Rachel's whole story in two paragraphs.

[36:45] Hunter Martin: No, that's okay. Here's the entire episode, and we're just going to watch the entire episode.

[36:49] Ian Allred: Okay.

[36:50] Hunter Martin: So this is going to be 90 Gleeking minutes in the middle of this episode.

[36:55] Ian Allred: Oh, I hated those dresses.

[36:57] Hunter Martin: I want to see the most recent Rachel before this.

[36:59] Ian Allred: Okay.

[37:01] Hunter Martin: She's in the scene exactly prior to when she talks to Puck.

[37:05] Ian Allred: And Puck is like, you know how many Jewish girls I make out with?

[37:08] Hunter Martin: And they get nose jobs and they're less hot.

[37:10] Ian Allred: Okay, and what is the scene following?

[37:13] Hunter Martin: The scene following is as if we never say goodbye.

[37:17] Ian Allred: As if we never say goodbye, where he sings literally for like seven straight minutes.

[37:20] Hunter Martin: And then she's in the choir room scene for that.

[37:23] Ian Allred: She's in the choir room for that.

[37:25] Hunter Martin: So she is currently in the bathroom battling with her feelings because a little part of her is still sexually attracted to Noah Puckerman as well, so that's on top of it.

[37:33] Ian Allred: And Finn's currently with Quinn, so she's like, maybe Puck is right, and also maybe I should start dating Puck again. She's going through a lot.

[37:40] Hunter Martin: She sings a solo in the bathroom after the Puck conversation, thinks that she has the production, the cameras, but actually they're in the courtyard.

[37:50] Ian Allred: She thinks Ryan Murphy's there, but they're in the courtyard.

[37:55] Hunter Martin: What do we think she was singing?

[37:57] Ian Allred: While Blaine was singing Somewhere Only We Know, what was Rachel singing in the bathroom?

[38:01] Hunter Martin: A stripped-down acoustic version of Changes by David Bowie.

[38:06] Ian Allred: I think that was, yep.

[38:08] Hunter Martin: And it was a really beautiful arrangement.

[38:11] Ian Allred: Turn face the strains Ch-ch-changes.

[38:15] Hunter Martin: Single tear down her face, pushing the note away.

[38:19] Ian Allred: Exactly.

[38:20] Hunter Martin: But it wasn't good enough for the production to actually know where we go sometimes.

[38:25] Ian Allred: Are you kidding me?

[38:27] Hunter Martin: We need to move the plot forward.

[38:29] Ian Allred: We've got to be out in the courtyard.

[38:31] Hunter Martin: If you watch this in reverse, you can hear Rachel's song.

[38:35] Ian Allred: Yeah, if you rewind it, it's actually Changes by David Bowie.

[38:43] Hunter Martin: Oh, I hear it.

[38:45] Ian Allred: Oh, that's what those weird lyrics were.

[38:48] Hunter Martin: It sounded like nonsense.

[38:50] Ian Allred: She walks through that cage staircase.

[38:54] Hunter Martin: Yeah, you can see her briefly.

[38:56] Ian Allred: She's already stuck in the bathroom like a Sim.

[38:58] Hunter Martin: She can't get out.

[39:00] Ian Allred: Yeah! Mahi! Zamehu!

[39:04] Hunter Martin: She's actually just singing the Sim version of Last Friday Night.

[39:08] Ian Allred: Basil blurb. Magoonie blurb?

[39:10] Hunter Martin: The only English she knows is through song.

[39:13] Ian Allred: Okay, what do we have to say about Somewhere Only We Know?

[39:17] Hunter Martin: Fun is over.

[39:19] Ian Allred: Chris Colfer was earning his damn Emmy.

[39:22] Hunter Martin: He got it.

[39:24] Ian Allred: I think one of the worst things as an actor is to be in a scene or a song where you have no lines, but it's focused on you.

[39:33] Hunter Martin: It's one thing to be in the background, but the scene to be this character is talking or singing at me is horrible.

[39:42] Ian Allred: And he is locked in.

[39:46] Hunter Martin: He is acting.

[39:48] Ian Allred: That's a great point.

[39:50] Hunter Martin: He is emotionally present. Obviously Darren Criss is eaten down in this number, but I just want to give Chris Colfer his flowers.

[39:58] Ian Allred: He is really a hole in his own in a song that he does not make a single sound during.

[40:04] Hunter Martin: Would you have rather this been a claimed duet?

[40:07] Ian Allred: No. Uh-uh. No, no, no.

[40:09] Hunter Martin: I like it much better like this.

[40:11] Ian Allred: I like it much more, you know, the way that it's introduced, that the warblers showed up to bid Kurt goodbye.

[40:17] Hunter Martin: I think it's very beautiful.

[40:19] Ian Allred: I like it much more, especially because Kurt has spent this entire season pining after Blaine.

[40:25] Hunter Martin: And then it's only last week that Blaine was like, Call me crazy, but I think I have a crush on you.

[40:32] Ian Allred: That I think it's nice that this is Blaine's big romantic gesture so that it doesn't feel so one-sided.

[40:52] Hunter Martin: Like he's pining for that. So to have it in front of all of his friends in such like a public format is really amazing. But like, now that I'm thinking about it, now I'm thinking like through the story perspective of Glee, is this what set off Prom Queen? Do you think that like, because everybody's... Homo Alert. Homo Alert. Oh, we forgot that we fucking hated this guy because of his sexuality. Let's do a big prank on him. You know, I was thinking the same thing watching this. I was like, wait, really? Yeah, I was like, this is like a very grand gesture when I was like, for people, for unpopular people, in Canada, this show, they're doing the most. They're like, they're doing the most. Like having a private singalong or not.

I also think, I think that's Glee, you know, having a moment of like profound happiness is not the right word, because it's very bittersweet, but like a moment of profound emotion that you are just caught up in the moment. And then later down the line being like, oh, now everyone hates me because of that moment of profound emotion. Like this show is just these kids constantly battling between like what they want their lives to be and who they want to be. And then also the need to survive and keep their heads down so that people don't attack them for it.

[42:12] Ian Allred: This is the season Chris Colfer won the Golden Globe, right? And the Emmy, sister.

[42:23] Hunter Martin: I don't think he won in the Emmy, did he? I don't think he won the Emmy.

[42:26] Ian Allred: You know what? He was nominated. No, I'm sure he won.

[42:29] Hunter Martin: Screw you guys. Wait. If we were Emmy voters, we would have voted for him.

[42:35] Ian Allred: I think that I looked this up four times a year.

[42:38] Hunter Martin: He won! Oh my gosh, hold up. I'm going to double check before I get on my high horse.

[42:45] Ian Allred: I'm on the official Emmy website.

[42:47] Hunter Martin: The worst thing. No, he got nominated twice.

[42:50] Ian Allred: It's nominations. You're right. You're right. You're right. Okay. He got nominated.

[42:54] Hunter Martin: Okay. Okay. But two nominations. So that equals a win.

[42:57] Ian Allred: That equals a win.

[42:58] Hunter Martin: That does equal a win. But that means that the Golden Globe was prior to this because the Golden Globe was halfway through the season. Am I correct on that? Or am I wrong?

[43:05] Ian Allred: Yeah. So he got. I don't. I actually don't. Someone will message me and be like, actually, and I look forward to this, that message.

[43:15] Hunter Martin: That someone's going to be me. He won in 2011, which was after this.

[43:19] Ian Allred: So he's, he's earning his Golden Globe. He's earning his Golden Globe.

[43:22] Hunter Martin: He was nominated in 2010, but he won in 2011. And that's post this.

[43:27] Ian Allred: Now, Hunter, please continue with your thought.

[43:28] Hunter Martin: He was nominated at the Monte Carlo TV Festival.

[43:31] Ian Allred: And that's the big one. That's the biggest one.

[43:33] Hunter Martin: And has he been nominated for a Teen Choice? Teen Choice Award?

[43:38] Ian Allred: I think he had to have been. Let's see.

[43:40] Hunter Martin: At least for like Best Kiss.

[43:41] Ian Allred: A number of times for People's Choice.

[43:44] Hunter Martin: Teen Choice. Oh, he. Oh, my God. He's been nominated one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight times. And two of those times he's won. He's won for Male Scene Stealer and also Choice TV Actor Comedy.

[44:01] Ian Allred: He was also nominated for Fanatic Fans, which honestly.

[44:06] Hunter Martin: What is Fanatic Fans?

[44:08] Ian Allred: I don't know, but he should have won. I've seen how those Chris Colfer shippers are acting on the Internet to this day, and they are sick in the head. I hope they're buying his book.

[44:17] Hunter Martin: And they are actively bullying Darren Criss and his wife. Please leave them alone.

[44:22] Ian Allred: He's really bullying them.

[44:24] Hunter Martin: They Chris Colfer shippers. Chris is spelled as Darren Criss. They are people that believe that Darren Criss and Chris Colfer secretly were dating and that Darren Criss is gay and isn't public about it. And they were actually shut your mouth.

[44:38] Ian Allred: Shut your mouth. And to this day, Darren Criss is married with a child and they are on these forums being like, I can't believe this disgusting man just like lying to this woman. And he can't be his authentic self.

[44:53] Hunter Martin: And this is why Chris Colfer and Darren Criss barely interact anymore is because it literally made their friendship toxic. Because anytime they were seen together, people would always be like, I told you they're in love, they're in love, they're in love. And so they just had to like, stop hanging out.

[45:06] Ian Allred: Told you.

[45:08] Hunter Martin: Yeah. Every time that I see them together now, I text Ian and I'm like, told you. I was. Chris Colfer went to see Darren in maybe Happy Ending. And I was like, this is the first time they've been in the same room publicly in literal years.

[45:24] Ian Allred: No, that was really, really special. He was there when Darren won the Tony. And I just think that shows growth. And I love that.

[45:33] Hunter Martin: Well, I don't even think, I don't blame them for being apart. I'm like, I just, it shows that they love each other enough that they're like, you know what, if the fans want to make something of this, who cares? Because damn, if I had a friend that it was that much of a hell every time we were together in public, I'd be like, we should probably stop being together in public.

[45:53] Ian Allred: Well, if TMZ is reporting about like, when I link up with someone that I'm like, okay, damn, let them speak. You know, I'm going to let them speak.

[46:02] Hunter Martin: The streets will talk.

[46:03] Ian Allred: The streets will talk.

[46:04] Hunter Martin: The streets will talk. They don't, that doesn't mean we have to listen.

[46:07] Ian Allred: There's a difference.

[46:08] Hunter Martin: No, I understand what you're saying. There is a difference between TMZ reporting and the girl who showed up outside of Ryan Murphy's house with a knife because he broke a Britannia. I'm saying paparazzi is one thing. I think that like, I'm doing a big time joke, Hong Kong.

[46:24] Ian Allred: No, I know. I know, but I just, I, there are many people who listen to this podcast who weren't there when it was happening. And I just like, I want to make sure people know it wasn't regular. Like paparazzi took a picture of them. Like there were fans of the show who were unwell, who would like target these people in person.

[46:43] Hunter Martin: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But guys, this is a fun show. We're singing and dancing. Like, come on.

[46:49] Ian Allred: Oh, and they're just singing and dancing. But I think that like, from what I'm seeing in recent years, I think that like they have hopefully, I don't know, made a more healthy distance relationship wise.

[47:06] Hunter Martin: Yeah, I hope so. It's like they can actually hang out with each other and not worry about it, which I'm happy about, you know, so.

[47:12] Ian Allred: I feel that way about a lot of the cast. A lot of the cast is like, let's, let's be friends more publicly again. Let's be very happy to see.

[47:22] Hunter Martin: Do we have anything to say about some places we go?

[47:25] Ian Allred: A lot.

[47:25] Hunter Martin: We didn't say anything.

[47:27] Ian Allred: I'll say, I'll say that everyone here knows that I'm a notorious Blaine hater.

[47:35] Hunter Martin: Blaine hater?

[47:35] Ian Allred: Claine hater.

[47:36] Hunter Martin: Blaine.

[47:38] Ian Allred: Blaine.

[47:39] Hunter Martin: Yeah, but this is the first time I've watched a Blaine solo number one when I went. I get it. I get it. It's very charming. He's a charming guy, that Blaine.

[47:53] Ian Allred: I think this is like, I think sometimes Darren Criss gets too. Presentational. In his vocal stylings and performance, like, yeah, you know, that kind of vibe. So that so that's like, yeah, you get it for me. Sometimes you don't know what I'm talking about. Y'all all know when I go, yeah, what that means. The type of shit Darren Criss is on.

[48:19] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[48:21] Ian Allred: This one was very like, grounded, which I so I wasn't getting the usual eye roll that Blaine usually gives me.

[48:30] Hunter Martin: I think it's a really good point. It's not as like, kind of like, it's clean. Yeah, it doesn't seem performative, which is weird to say in a show where you're performing.

[48:41] Ian Allred: Yeah, you know what I mean?

[48:43] Hunter Martin: No.

[48:44] Ian Allred: You guys get what I mean, right?

[48:45] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[48:49] Ian Allred: What are you thinking, Ian?

[48:50] Ian Allred: I'm thinking that I took my fair share of smack on Klain. I just, it's no secret, I feel like Kurt specifically kind of lost his identity as the relationship went on and they suddenly weren't two independent characters, but like one entity, which I thought was kind of a shame. But I feel like I don't talk enough about what, how, like, pioneering and important Klain was at the time. And like, I would hate for Ryan Murphy to hear that because goodness knows,

[49:29] Hunter Martin: Wait, why do you not want him to hear that?

[49:32] Ian Allred: Because Big Head Syndrome?

[49:33] Hunter Martin: Because Big Head Syndrome. I mean, I remember when the two of them were on the cover of Entertainment Weekly.

[49:38] Ian Allred: Yeah, Gay Teens on TV, famously.

[49:40] Hunter Martin: Yeah, I remember when SNL's own Victoria Jackson went on Fox News to talk about how it was evil that they were kissing. But like, I never want, in my critiques of Klain, which I stand by, I never want to then minimize, like, how important and revolutionary it was for these two teen boys to be in love on this TV show that was airing at like 7pm on fucking Fox. And like, damn, especially in these early episodes, like, they are in love and I'm buying it. Like, I really, they both are performing with so much emotion in this number that I'm like, I buy it. You are deeply in love and I'm very invested.

[50:32] Ian Allred: And also, one thing that, like, I don't know if I've really had this thought before just now, but like, I think it's so, like, for them to be going into season two, kind of like promoting, like, okay, like, we're going to be bringing in a love interest for Kurt's character. Like, I think it's so smart storytelling wise, and just like, dramatically, dramaturgically, that it's like, that it wasn't an instant kind of link up. Like, it was like, because I think that there's a world where we get Glee season two, and it's like, oh my god, magnets, they, like, stick to each other. And they're just like, okay, this is the rest of the series now. They're just like, like you said, they're just morphed into the same character.

[51:19] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[51:19] Ian Allred: So I think it's like, really exciting that they have like a will they won't they for a majority of the season.

[51:25] Hunter Martin: I agree. And I also think it's a good song choice. Maybe not the perfect presentation, because as Hunter pointed out, he's doing it in front of the entire school. But Kurt is going back to McKinley High, a high school that he left because of homophobic bullying. Kurt Hummel's back at McKinley!

[51:41] Ian Allred: Kurt Hummel's back at McKinley, and they are singing, they're singing a song that is about like, everything is about to change. Why don't we go somewhere we go sometimes? Why don't we go somewhere only we know? And I think this is a reality for many queer teens in the Midwest, that is like you have your partner, your boyfriend, your girlfriend, what have you, and you cannot be openly together. And so you have to go somewhere only you know, like you have to do all these things behind closed doors in private, and you can't tell anyone that it's happening. And you can't like share it with the world. And I think that that is a really tragic truth. And I think a very beautiful song choice to kind of convey that with these two characters.

[52:27] Hunter Martin: So well put.

[52:29] Ian Allred: And also, oh, no, thank you. This last thought is really stupid. This episode aired towards the end of my sister's senior year. And my sister loves Keane, which is the band that this song is by. And they were trying, the choir was trying to come up with what's going to be the senior song this year. And my sister was like prepping her case that she was going to pitch to the choir for why they should sing a summer only we know by Keane. And then this episode aired and I was watching it and my sister walked in the room and she went, damn it, now we can't do this song because everyone's gonna think we're just copying Glee. And so she didn't pitch it.

[53:09] Hunter Martin: Oh, really?

[53:10] Ian Allred: I thought it was going to be like a great layup or something. My sister was so mortified by the fact that anyone could possibly think that she picked this song because it was on Glee that she just didn't bring it to the table at all.

[53:26] Hunter Martin: If it makes her feel any better.

[53:27] Ian Allred: And then they ended up doing Firework by Katy Perry, which was also on Glee.

[53:30] Hunter Martin: When I think of somewhere in Luino, I think of the Winnie the Pooh trailer.

[53:34] Ian Allred: And Hunter, I think of the same damn thing.

[53:36] Hunter Martin: You think so, too?

[53:38] Ian Allred: Uh-huh.

[53:39] Hunter Martin: That's 2012 Winnie the Pooh, of course.

[53:42] Ian Allred: The 2011 Winnie the Pooh, which was like a very totally dissonant with what that movie ended up being.

[53:51] Hunter Martin: A very silly, low stakes movie.

[53:54] Ian Allred: Just them following the backs and.

[53:56] Hunter Martin: Right.

[53:57] Ian Allred: I haven't seen that installment of.

[54:01] Hunter Martin: Banger film.

[54:02] Ian Allred: I don't know what's wrong with you.

[54:04] Hunter Martin: Really?

[54:05] Ian Allred: It's I mean, like, it's Winnie the Pooh. It's just like a bunch of little vignettes and it's like funny.

[54:09] Hunter Martin: Yeah, it's very, very like.

[54:11] Ian Allred: To the scene, the scene when Rabbit gets caught in the hole and Pooh Bear has to figure out how to get him out. Now that's a classic.

[54:20] Hunter Martin: Now that's comedy for the ages. I'm being for real. It's very funny. That one scene specifically is very funny. Um, I have a few notes to say about this song.

[54:31] Andrew: Immediately when the song started, I wrote down, I'm glad that the Warblers aren't too hot. I think that there's a world where Glee exists that I think that all of them are like CW models, and I think that we got that with Greg Gustin. Wasn't there like a rumor at some point that they were going to spin off the Warblers into... This is confirmed. This is confirmed. This is confirmed. And do you think if they spun it off to its own show, they would cast more CW type people to be the Warblers?

[54:59] Hunter Martin: Yeah, and they'd all have six packs, and I'd be annoyed. I'd be like, what is this? But I like that they're not all hot. And this is not a strike against any of the Warblers that were cast. You are all attractive. I think you should have them all on again and tell them this. Hi, I'm glad that you're not that hot.

[55:21] Ian Allred: They're all saying, you're just a guino! I'm glad that you're actually an attainable level of attractiveness. My next question, this is like a boring question. And I know that we, while watching Glee, are transformed into this world, whatever. We shouldn't be thinking about these sort of questions. But what period is this? Because honestly, I remember in high school that all of my friends, we had different lunch periods. And dependent on the day, we wouldn't have lunch together. So if this is lunch period, and they're all just hanging out in the courtyard, then why are they all having lunch at the same time?

[56:01] Andrew: My school was on the smaller side. I think we had like 1,200 students. And we all had lunch together, the entire school.

[56:11] Hunter Martin: Oh, really?

[56:12] Andrew: And McKinley, I believe, is supposed to be kind of a smaller school.

[56:15] Ian Allred: Okay.

[56:16] Andrew: I've always gotten that vibe.

[56:16] Hunter Martin: This is lunch period, you think?

[56:18] Andrew: Yeah, I think it's just school-wide lunch. My question is, damn, the Warblers really took a whole day off school to come and stay in court. They were like, oh, we gotta say goodbye. This whole thing was like, is the Warblers, Dalton Academy, a boarding school? Because there was so a lot of dialogue in season two that made it seem that Kurt wasn't living with Kennedy anymore.

[56:40] Ian Allred: Because, okay, you're talking to the expert on this. Because Lima and Akron are like over two hours away from each other. And so it is just an insane assumption that Burt Hummel, who was like, Kurt, we had to cancel our honeymoon to pay the tuition fee, is able to drive his son two hours to school and two hours back every single day.

[57:05] Hunter Martin: That Kurt would do that. I mean-

[57:07] Ian Allred: And then there's also times-

[57:08] Hunter Martin: He works at a tire shop. He has the wheels for it.

[57:11] Ian Allred: Right. There's also times where, in A Very Glee Christmas, Will comes to Dalton. So clearly, McKinley is not in session. It's not a normal school day. And Will comes to Dalton, and Blaine and Kurt are just hanging out chatting in the common room. And so it really seems like these kids just kind of live at that school. But then we'll get offhanded remarks where Kurt will be talking to Rachel and he'll be like, how is Finn? He's not very responsive during our midnight milk talks. So then it's like, what the fuck? Are you going home or aren't you?

[57:47] Andrew: So what Lean and I decided on our podcast is that it is a boarding school Monday to Friday and you go home on the weekends.

[57:54] Hunter Martin: Okay. I had friends who went to a school like that.

[57:58] Ian Allred: Yeah, it's a sleepaway school. Knowing gay guy Ryan Murphy, that I think he- I think that it's not a boarding school because I think gay guy Ryan Murphy would include bedroom scenes. You know what I mean?

[58:13] Hunter Martin: Oh my god.

[58:14] Ian Allred: Oh, like Kurt going to Blaine's bedroom for the first time.

[58:18] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[58:18] Ian Allred: Like just as like a new-

[58:19] Hunter Martin: Right. Like they would build a set for the boarding rooms. But I understand exactly what you're saying. But like, why are they just hanging out when Will comes by?

[58:34] Andrew: Because I don't think that Ryan Murphy is like, considering how long it takes. I honestly, in my heart of hearts, believe that it didn't cross the writer's mind either way. I don't think they put any thought into it.

[58:46] Ian Allred: Yeah, they're like, okay, fine. Maybe it's this, maybe it's that. But anyway, final notes that we need to say about this song. I just think it's gorgeous. I think it's a really beautiful number.

[58:57] Hunter Martin: Yeah, it was really good.

[59:00] Andrew: Okay. And I love Kurt hugging all the Warblers one by one and then hugging all the New Directioners one by one except for Rachel because she is dealing with her feelings for Puck. And I love that Finn is the first New Directioner that he hugs. And end of that. It is like you were talking earlier, Andrew, about like camaraderie. It is very big.

[59:15] Ian Allred: That's what I was thinking! Camaraderie!

[59:18] Hunter Martin: It's very Glee, like everyone hugging.

[59:22] Andrew: So this is actually really hard for me.

[59:25] Ian Allred: Oh, uh-oh.

[59:26] Andrew: I have what it's against. It's from the same season.

[59:30] Hunter Martin: Ooh, okay.

[59:30] Andrew: It's another solo.

[59:32] Ian Allred: Okay.

[59:32] Hunter Martin: Nintendo.

[59:34] Andrew: Drive my car.

[59:34] Ian Allred: Oh god, it's the thumbnail alone. It makes me freaking emotional. And I think I already know how this is going to end.

[59:41] Hunter Martin: It's a solo?

[59:42] Ian Allred: Oh god.

[59:43] Hunter Martin: Ian, you've seen this girl before. This is a girl.

[59:53] Andrew: You know what this is?

[59:54] Ian Allred: Is this Only Exception?

[59:55] Andrew: It is Only Exception.

[59:57] Hunter Martin: Damn. The only song I know how to play on guitar, can you believe?

[1:00:02] Andrew: Okay. Yeah, I think that like this song...

[1:00:05] Ian Allred: Ooh!

[1:00:06] Andrew: ...makes a strong case for like top five songs for me.

[1:00:13] Hunter Martin: Obsessed.

[1:00:15] Ian Allred: Wait, Ian, we've already heard...

[1:00:18] Andrew: We've already discussed this song before in terms of the Glackett. Hunter, I want to throw it to you before discourse begins. What do you think about this song?

[1:00:30] Hunter Martin: I would not say it's like one of my top like memorable Rachel solos. Is that a hot take?

[1:00:38] Ian Allred: No, what are we saying?

[1:00:39] Hunter Martin: We're saying draw. It's one of three right now. I also remember there was like... I remember kind of watching this episode and being a little bummed that it wasn't all Britney Spears songs. Because that's what this episode's from.

[1:00:51] Andrew: I have a dissertation about it.

[1:00:54] Hunter Martin: And so that is what I always remember it for, being the random non-Britney Spears song in that episode.

[1:01:01] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:01:02] Hunter Martin: But I mean, it's classic Rachel singing straight to Finn. She's belting her heart out. She has two kind of bang situations going on. She has a side swoop when she's singing and in the hallway, she has the full blunt bob bang. She has... It was different days, different bangs.

[1:01:22] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:01:23] Hunter Martin: Yeah, and my favorite thing... I'm so glad we got to watch this one because one of my favorite things that Glee does when everyone is sitting watching people singing, they do the backup vocals.

[1:01:33] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:01:34] Hunter Martin: Unprompted. And we got a little queasy Quinn.

[1:01:38] Ian Allred: Quinn in this performance always like she looks a little queasy.

[1:01:42] Hunter Martin: Oh, that makes complete sense to me.

[1:01:46] Ian Allred: Explain.

[1:01:47] Hunter Martin: So the impetus of this song is that Quinn hits up Finn and is like, you're quarterback again, I'm head cheerleader again. Let's get back together. And then he's like, up yours. I'm with Rachel. And then she leaves and Rachel pays her. And you find that it was a setup that Rachel wanted to see if he was gonna be faithful, yada, yada, yada. But when Rachel pays Quinn, there's clearly like a look of conflict in Quinn's eyes. And then obviously, a few episodes from now, Quinn and Finn get back together. I think Quinn is still harboring feelings for Finn. And yes, she came on to him because Rachel paid her. But I think a part of her was hoping that he would say yes. And now she feels a little distraught about it. I wish the camera focused on her then a little bit more. I feel like that has always been clear to me.

[1:02:35] Andrew: So I think it's a skill issue.

[1:02:37] Ian Allred: Oh, so we're the dumbasses.

[1:02:40] Hunter Martin: Yes, exactly. Exactly.

[1:02:43] Ian Allred: Oh, it's been clear to me.

[1:02:45] Hunter Martin: Okay, says the guy who went up to a person at a wax museum and took a picture.

[1:02:49] Ian Allred: I was nine!

[1:02:51] Hunter Martin: Literally. And Mr. Schuster's going through it.

[1:02:54] Andrew: Mr. Schuster's going through it. And I think Mr. Schuster, once again, using his students' class assignments as his own personal therapy. It's, I think that that ultimately is the song's downfall, is the Mr. Schuster involvement here.

[1:03:07] Ian Allred: It hurts.

[1:03:13] Hunter Martin: It hurts to watch. Because like, okay, can we make a connection between like the song itself and like what Rachel is saying to Finn and what, like, I don't even know if there's like a connection to be made between like what Will is feeling for Emma. It doesn't feel like a clear connection.

[1:03:33] Andrew: Because he never loves Terry.

[1:03:36] Ian Allred: He's the only, she's the only exception.

[1:03:38] Hunter Martin: Oh, that was a joke.

[1:03:38] Ian Allred: I think he did genuinely love Terry.

[1:03:40] Hunter Martin: I was joking.

[1:03:42] Ian Allred: Yeah, I think it's just like end of the episode, love. Will is listening right now. Like, I did! I actually did! In the chat. I think they just put it in there because this is the last song of the episode. It's a song between two characters who are in a relationship. And the only other relationship we talked about in this episode was this.

[1:04:00] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[1:04:00] Ian Allred: And it's, and also Artie, Artie like longingly looks over at Tina and Mike briefly as well, which also makes sense. And Mercedes and Santana are just having a good time. And when Mercedes and Santana start singing the backup vocals, Puck turns around, you just see the back of his head. But in my mind, he is gagged that they're singing. He's like, what? What's going on back there? And it makes me laugh. I think it's funny.

[1:04:25] Hunter Martin: Huh?

[1:04:27] Ian Allred: I meet your, I meet your how can Will relate to the song and raise you a, how can Rachel Berry relate to this song? Because this song, this song is about, I don't believe in love. I've never thought that love was real. I was always convinced that love was only going to lead to pain. And now I've learned you are the only exception. You're the one person that I am going to love. And I do understand, like, Jesse, it did end in pain. But if there's one thing I know about Rachel Berry, it's that she lives with her heart wide open. She falls in love quickly, and she falls in love fast every single time.

[1:05:08] Hunter Martin: Yeah, but I also think she has that, that she talks about all the time that Finn was this unachievable thing before they got together. And that no one looks at her the way that Finn looks at her. You're the only person that's ever saw me for me. And so.

[1:05:24] Ian Allred: So would it make more sense if, if what I'm getting from what you're saying, and I understand, if I understand correctly, would this make more sense as a Finn song?

[1:05:35] Hunter Martin: This would make more sense.

[1:05:36] Ian Allred: What the song is saying.

[1:05:37] Hunter Martin: This would make more sense as a Santana song to Britney. Someone who we have seen throughout the show that she has kind of only dated for sex. And then Britney is like the one person that she actually had deep feelings for. And I understand with Rachel, I understand she's coming off of the Jesse breakup. And that was a very traumatic experience that honestly, maybe did like close her heart off to love. I don't know. But then also did it really? Because the next episode, she and Finn got together. So I just like, it feels out of character. Like she, I think of any character in the show has been the most boy crazy the entire time. So then for her to sing a song about like, I never believed in love until now is like, yes, you did. I have the receipts. Girl, we're watching this. We're watching the show you're on.

[1:06:27] Andrew: Yeah. Um, I obviously really, really love this song. As I've said before, this is my number one Rollo. I just think that it's like, when you boil down, almost like ugly, like solo performance, I think you're kind of like left with only exception, just like a choir room. Like, just like, it's just like, it's so what the show is. And I just think it's so special. And I love obviously the scene in the hallway. I just think that's so masterfully done. And you Ian, you've helped me see that like this, this scene that like, where it's like Finn talking to Britney and Santana that throughout the entire episode, that the Britney Spears episode that it's like these two people that are very symbolic of, you know, Britney Spears and all that she represents and sex and all of that.

Um, whereas like Rachel wants to be that throughout the episode that it's like, actually, she's like back to just like being, you know, herself again, that Finn is like, Oh, actually, I'm leaving this conversation. We're gonna walk down the hall together. And I just think that's like, so I think that's so what the Finn and Rachel relationship is, why it works. And it's just so lovely. I just think that like, and then that that high note that that Rachel does at the end with like the single tear, I just think it's like, she really, she was really going for it. It was like a serious assignment for her. Um, Leah, she said Chris Colfer. I'm getting the Emmy nom.

[1:08:08] Andrew: We're in the same category now. Yeah.

[1:08:11] Hunter Martin: Do you think it has it in the script where they're like, we want Rachel to cry by the end of the song?

[1:08:16] Ian Allred: I remember having a conversation with one of the band members, and they recalled that they would have in the script that it was like, Rachel needs to be giving this solo, and Rachel needs to be crying by the end of the song. And Leah would say, which eye do you want it to come out of?

[1:08:37] Hunter Martin: That's so crazy. Good for her. That's so crazy.

[1:08:41] Ian Allred: Wow. I'm so impressed by people that can do that.

[1:08:46] Hunter Martin: She got those tears in her.

[1:08:47] Ian Allred: She got those tears in her, depending on the eye. And also, I think that Hunter, what you were saying earlier about this being in the Britney Spears tribute episode, and it's been a conversation a few times already on the podcast. I think that it works for me, personally, that I think this is the most Glee thing that they could do.

[1:09:09] Andrew: When Glee makes these choices like this, I'm like, actually, it works. And I'm like, okay, yeah, fuck it. Paramore song at the end of the episode. Hunter, how are you feeling? Because I knew from the second I saw the thumbnail, I knew what Andrew was gonna vote. How are you feeling?

[1:09:26] Hunter Martin: Yeah, I'm actually surprised with the way I'm leaning. After seeing both. And I don't know, okay, are we revealing now?

[1:09:36] Andrew: We don't need to, I was just curious.

[1:09:39] Hunter Martin: I'm still, because I think the two songs are so classic Glee in very different ways.

[1:09:45] Ian Allred: Yeah, I'll lock it in. It's like, very Rachel's solo. And Blaine's is very like, Glee over the top, grand gesture in public that they always do.

[1:09:59] Hunter Martin: But I think I'm ready. I know what I'm gonna lock in, I think.

[1:10:03] Andrew: Okay, does any more discussion need to happen? I also know what I'm gonna lock in. And I'm, I'm feeling, hey, Ian, do you have the more fun choice?

[1:10:14] Ian Allred: Okay, this is crazy. Because Rachel's literally my favorite character on the show. And Blaine famously is a character that I don't care much for. But I'm ready to blow my low. I'm going for the blow low. I'm going for Summer Only We Know.

[1:10:30] Hunter Martin: Not ready to blow your low. That's crazy.

[1:10:32] Ian Allred: I've had that. That came to me this afternoon. And I was like, I'm gonna work that in. And then you pull the blow low and I went, oh my god, universe is on my side. I'm gonna blow my low.

[1:10:48] Ian Allred: But me blowing my low aside, genuinely, I'm going Summer Only We Know. It had the larger emotional effect on me.

[1:10:58] Hunter Martin: You and also just like check the tapes. You did not vote for Only Exception last time you saw her. You voted for If I Were a Boy.

[1:11:05] Ian Allred: I think it's a good song, genuinely. I do. I do try to speak kindly about her because I know that she's your daughter. But she has never affected me in the way that she affects you.

[1:11:21] Andrew: I'm glad I have her. She has my eyes.

[1:11:25] Ian Allred: She has kind of always just been, you know, like dropped to me as like a V-Row low. But Only Exception has been kind of like, is just another Rachel Solo. And I think it's great because I think that Leigh and Michelle kind of always brings it. But it's never had like a magic dust to it for me personally.

[1:11:46] Hunter Martin: Besides that one scene that you put in your Party For You edit, which is very special to me and I really like.

[1:11:52] Ian Allred: The hallway. Yes, of course.

[1:11:54] Hunter Martin: Of course.

[1:11:54] Andrew: Hunter, everyone is waiting.

[1:11:58] Hunter Martin: Okay. Just like what I said before, I had my feelings about Mr. Blaine.

[1:12:08] Ian Allred: How I...

[1:12:12] Hunter Martin: No, you're fine. I actually don't. It's not that serious.

[1:12:15] Ian Allred: He's about to watch his child be killed in front of him.

[1:12:19] Hunter Martin: I had, based off my feelings watching both, some were only we know affect me a little bit more than the Only Exception.

[1:12:26] Ian Allred: Okay, that's fine.

[1:12:28] Hunter Martin: The gay boys win. The gay boys always fucking win.

[1:12:32] Ian Allred: It's Pride Month.

[1:12:33] Hunter Martin: It's Pride Month.

[1:12:34] Ian Allred: I will say a lot of what Ian said is kind of the reasons I am locking in somewhere only we know. It is just another Rachel Solo to me as well.

[1:12:42] Hunter Martin: My favorite Rachel Solo, I don't even think is in this round anymore.

[1:12:52] Ian Allred: What is it?

[1:12:54] Hunter Martin: Cry.

[1:12:55] Ian Allred: Is it over yet?

[1:12:59] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[1:12:59] Ian Allred: So let's just say yes.

[1:13:03] Andrew: Like, it's gone.

[1:13:04] Ian Allred: I'm gonna call Allison Dodge really quick. Present the...

[1:13:08] Hunter Martin: Please do. She'll be thrilled.

[1:13:11] Ian Allred: She better answer.

[1:13:12] Andrew: She will.

[1:13:16] Ian Allred: Wait. Oh no.

[1:13:19] Andrew: Allison, it's a big deal. It's a big deal. Come on. Your boy is through.

[1:13:25] Andrew: Your call has been forwarded to an automated voice messaging system.

[1:13:39] Andrew: Hi Allison, it's me, Andrew.

[1:13:42] Andrew: Oh, you're texting me right now? I can't right now? Having a little date night.

[1:13:45] Andrew: I'm glad that you're having a little date night. I am in a recording right now with Hunter and Ian. Somewhere Only We Know just got pulled in round four of the Glackett, and I'm happy to announce that it killed my biological daughter, Only Exception. So I hope you're happy that she lives to see another day. Okay, goodbye.

[1:14:04] Ian Allred: That's it.

[1:14:09] Andrew: Okay, you want to do one more competition?

[1:14:11] Hunter Martin: If we have to.

[1:14:13] Ian Allred: We do.

[1:14:14] Hunter Martin: Hunter, what do you want? Name a song.

[1:14:16] Hunter Martin: I tried a big reaction.

[1:14:17] Ian Allred: He had a big reaction to it.

[1:14:20] Hunter Martin: It's fun.

[1:14:20] Ian Allred: It's Drumpy Drump.

[1:14:24] Hunter Martin: Oh my god, Drumpy Drump. That is a possibility. I forgot that could happen.

[1:14:29] Ian Allred: That's what I'm always hoping for.

[1:14:32] Hunter Martin: I'm going to freaking listen to Somewhere Only We Know now.

[1:14:35] Ian Allred: No, this is a great song.

[1:14:37] Hunter Martin: This is kind of exactly what we need after like two ballads.

[1:14:42] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:14:43] Hunter Martin: Ian again.

[1:14:44] Ian Allred: It's pretty all the time.

[1:14:44] Hunter Martin: I would love a group number.

[1:14:46] Ian Allred: This is another one that it's been it's been a while since you've seen this.

[1:14:51] Hunter Martin: Is it my first episode?

[1:14:54] Ian Allred: No, but I just remember this was a while ago.

[1:14:57] Hunter Martin: You know what the thumbnail is?

[1:14:59] Ian Allred: Oh, it's Bust Your Windows.

[1:15:01] Hunter Martin: It's Bust Your Windows. Here we go.

[1:15:02] Ian Allred: This is my girl.

[1:15:03] Hunter Martin: Oh girl, this is another example of that tweet.

[1:15:08] Ian Allred: You busted my windows.

[1:15:09] Hunter Martin: You busted my heart.

[1:15:13] Ian Allred: Oh, she was sitting on that.

[1:15:15] Hunter Martin: She was like, oh, you just walked right into that, didn't you?

[1:15:20] Ian Allred: I have not watched that in so long.

[1:15:24] Hunter Martin: See, that is what Glee should be doing. Taking you right back to exactly where Ian saw it.

[1:15:32] Ian Allred: You said that they were referencing this song in songs that...

[1:15:37] Hunter Martin: Yes.

[1:15:38] Ian Allred: So one of them was...

[1:15:42] Hunter Martin: Oh my gosh, I just had it pulled up. Them making Mercedes fall in love with Kurt just for her to get disappointed and sing Bust Your Windows as an example of Glee putting the characters in absurd situations just to match the songs they wanted them to sing.

[1:15:53] Ian Allred: Now, certainly she busted his windows so that she could sing Bust Your Windows. But the whole arc of Mercedes having a crush on Kurt and then Kurt coming out to her at the end of the episode was not built around the song Bust Your Windows. I don't think that is an organic character arc.

[1:16:10] Hunter Martin: And another one that someone said is making Rachel have laryngitis just so she can sing The Climb in an off-key way.

[1:16:17] Ian Allred: That's not why they did that plotline.

[1:16:20] Hunter Martin: Like, it's just, it is driving me crazy because I'm like, this is something that they verifiably did do in the show numerous times. How are we only finding examples that aren't the case?

[1:16:34] Ian Allred: The Climb pull is insane.

[1:16:36] Hunter Martin: That's crazy.

[1:16:38] Ian Allred: No, it was really making me so angry reading them.

[1:16:43] Hunter Martin: And I was about to say, Bust Your Windows wasn't even around at the time it was that popular of a song at the time.

[1:16:49] Ian Allred: No!

[1:16:49] Hunter Martin: But then I looked it up. It was 2008.

[1:16:52] Ian Allred: So it does have that, like...

[1:16:55] Hunter Martin: No, but famously, Ryan Murphy had never heard of the song and Amber Riley was a big fan of it and said, hey, I would like to sing this song on the show.

[1:17:03] Ian Allred: Oh!

[1:17:03] Hunter Martin: It was not at all like a, this is the hot new song, let's get people to listen.

[1:17:08] Ian Allred: Oh!

[1:17:09] Hunter Martin: It was one of our stars personally likes this song, so we're going to put it in. Bust Your Windows.

[1:17:15] Ian Allred: And she still sings it, like, in concert.

[1:17:19] Hunter Martin: Like, to this day?

[1:17:20] Ian Allred: Yeah, to this day.

[1:17:21] Hunter Martin: Well, good.

[1:17:23] Ian Allred: Was this, like, Mercedes' first big solo?

[1:17:27] Hunter Martin: This is her first one. Like, she has, like, respect in the first, but that's not really...

[1:17:31] Ian Allred: And you can tell Amber Riley is putting a thousand and ten percent into it.

[1:17:39] Hunter Martin: Oh, yes.

[1:17:40] Ian Allred: Because she knows she's like, this is my first one. I'm going to give it all I got.

[1:17:44] Hunter Martin: This, this example. Finn hitting Rachel in the face so that she could break her nose just so she and Quinn could sing I Feel Pretty Unpretty.

[1:17:54] Ian Allred: Just so they could sing a song that didn't exist?

[1:17:56] Hunter Martin: They mashed up those songs for the episode specifically.

[1:18:00] Ian Allred: What are you talking about?

[1:18:01] Hunter Martin: And also, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You mean to tell me that the entire plot, like...

[1:18:07] Ian Allred: Wait, so the plot was built around Finn hitting Rachel in the face?

[1:18:11] Hunter Martin: Like, that was the peak of the storyline?

[1:18:13] Ian Allred: They heard TLC's Unpretty and they went, God, how could we fit this in the show? The only way this could possibly make sense is if Finn elbows Rachel in the face and she breaks her nose and then she won't get a nose job.

[1:18:26] Hunter Martin: It just, once again, it's driving me insane that people are coming up with the wrong examples when there are so many actual examples of this.

[1:18:36] Ian Allred: That was the weirdest one it would bring up. A mashup that doesn't exist before that moment.

[1:18:42] Hunter Martin: Seriously, craziness.

[1:18:46] Ian Allred: Anyways, bust your windows.

[1:18:48] Hunter Martin: Banger, banger, banger. Absolutely love.

[1:18:50] Ian Allred: Um, I love a, like, teetering between real world and fantasy world where it's like, here we are at the car wash and now here we are on a stage and the BMW is still here. But like, Mercedes is having her pop star fantasy.

[1:19:11] Hunter Martin: Like, I think that is really fun. I love the moment when she goes, ha, ha, ha. And all the cheerleaders are popping up behind her. Love that.

[1:19:20] Ian Allred: I, this song, you know, it really saved Acafellas. I love these early season one, quote unquote, big numbers that are like big and much more theatrical than the average number but still aren't to the league of like, you know, applause or roar.

[1:19:41] Hunter Martin: Where it still feels kind of like small scale, small town underdog. Because like, I'm like looking at like the final frame of the performance. Let me just share my screen again. And I just think that it's like, that it's exactly what you're saying where it's like, it's still Mercedes alone on the stage. That it's like, we understand from this frame that it's like, none of that actually happened.

[1:20:05] Ian Allred: So I just, yeah, I think that the world building is still like so strong here.

[1:20:09] Hunter Martin: Yeah, yeah.

[1:20:10] Ian Allred: The fantasies are just reality a tad bit elevated.

[1:20:15] Hunter Martin: Yes.

[1:20:16] Ian Allred: And also Acafella's iconic episode for being the first we hear of Burt Hummel and all we learn is that he's extremely homophobic only to meet him the very next episode and he's completely different than he was described.

[1:20:28] Hunter Martin: Which is still like, to this day, makes no sense to me. That it's like, I was always under the impression that, and I think that we've had that we had, Ian, you and I had this conversation last time we talked about this.

[1:20:42] Ian Allred: Um, but I was always under the impression that like, Ryan Murphy created Kurt as like a kind of like do-over himself.

[1:20:50] Hunter Martin: Yes.

[1:20:52] Ian Allred: So it's always so interesting to me this line where in Acafella's where referring to Burt as being homophobic when it's like, oh, but I always thought this was in the cards that this character Burt was going to be extremely accepting.

[1:21:08] Hunter Martin: I don't know. Does both work?

[1:21:11] Ian Allred: I personally don't.

[1:21:13] Hunter Martin: Oh, go for it.

[1:21:15] Ian Allred: I personally don't really think that both works because like, Burt is the man who, what Kurt says is that his dad bought him a BMW if he promised to stop wearing women's sweaters.

[1:21:26] Hunter Martin: Okay, and I also said like extremely homophobic and I don't think that's extremely homophobic.

[1:21:31] Ian Allred: No, but also Burt is the person who not like six episodes later in Ballad is going to petition the school because Kurt wants to sing a girl's song and he thinks they won't let him.

[1:21:45] Hunter Martin: Like, for that massive of a shift to happen that quickly, I just feel like they immediately just changed their mind about what they wanted Burt to be. Sorry, Hunter, you go.

[1:21:56] Ian Allred: No, I always, I remember watching it the first time, I always thought the shift in Burt happened, the shift in character of Burt happened in the football episode.

[1:22:07] Hunter Martin: Which is next week.

[1:22:08] Ian Allred: Yeah, in the next episode. So I think, like, that is the episode that starts the Burt that we see the rest of the show.

[1:22:16] Hunter Martin: But that's the first time we see him.

[1:22:19] Ian Allred: I know.

[1:22:19] Hunter Martin: But he's coming in. That inciting incident, I guess, of the football and him going through that whole journey, to me, was like, oh, that's before.

[1:22:28] Ian Allred: Well, like, I think that, like, to your point, I think that, like, okay, Burt's first scene is, like, him walking down the stairs basement, seeing Kurt wearing this leotard sequence on it, whatever.

[1:22:42] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[1:22:43] Ian Allred: And he, like, has, like, a very, like, macho response to it, where he's like, what the hell is this?

[1:22:49] Hunter Martin: So I think that plays into the car comment the episode before.

[1:22:55] Ian Allred: So I think, I think that both could work. I think both could work.

[1:22:59] Hunter Martin: I don't know.

[1:23:02] Ian Allred: I think that, like, I guess, I just feel like there's a difference between, like, seeing your son dressed like Beyoncé and, like, not knowing what to say, and actively being like, I will buy you a car if you stop dressing like that.

[1:23:17] Hunter Martin: Well, I think that those are just two separate things to me.

[1:23:21] Ian Allred: But maybe, I don't know, maybe this is, like, getting too real talk. But I think that, like, Burt, the shift happened the second that Kurt actually came out. That it's like, okay, this is actually something that you are. And so, like, I actually do need to get on board. And I just, like, I, there was a world where Burt thought, maybe this is just an effeminate young man, straight, that, like, I'm kind of just trying to protect from the world.

[1:23:51] Hunter Martin: Yeah, sure.

[1:23:55] Ian Allred: I think both can work. But I also think they decided last minute to make the dad a different character. I think that's also very possible.

[1:24:02] Hunter Martin: And, like, I think that's also very possible. Again, I think we do this all the time, trying to apply logic to something that definitely wasn't a conversation.

[1:24:12] Ian Allred: We're having an intervention.

[1:24:13] Hunter Martin: It's a gay intervention.

[1:24:15] Ian Allred: My final answer is, it works both ways. I think it goes both ways.

[1:24:23] Hunter Martin: Before you grab a drink.

[1:24:26] Ian Allred: Okay, bust your windows. We want to talk about the damn song, or do we just want to keep on talking about Burt your windows?

[1:24:32] Hunter Martin: I'm gonna be honest. What is there to say? It's fabulous. She sounds great. The choreo is incredible. It's both camp, but then also, like, a legitimately great performance. I think it is kind of quintessential Glee.

[1:24:49] Ian Allred: Hunter, do we have final thoughts?

[1:24:51] Hunter Martin: I think exactly what Ian said. And I echo what I'm saying, what I said earlier, where the energy behind the song, because I think because that was probably Amber Riley, like we said, very first big number. Yeah, I could feel the energy coming off the screen. And I'm like, in that clip was what? How many years old at this point?

[1:25:12] Ian Allred: So true.

[1:25:13] Hunter Martin: Yeah, 2017, almost 17 years.

[1:25:16] Ian Allred: Yeah, so it stands the test of time.

[1:25:20] Hunter Martin: They're like, yeah, it's classic classic.

[1:25:23] Ian Allred: I think that I have a stinky mood about this song. For I don't know why.

[1:25:27] Hunter Martin: And I actually do.

[1:25:29] Ian Allred: Someone busted your window.

[1:25:31] Hunter Martin: What?

[1:25:33] Ian Allred: I said something stupid. Continue.

[1:25:34] Hunter Martin: No, I wouldn't say the stupid thing.

[1:25:36] Ian Allred: I said someone busted your window. It wasn't a good joke. And now you made me say it twice. I look twice the fool.

[1:25:40] Hunter Martin: No, and someone busted my heart. OK, if you want to know the truth.

[1:25:44] Ian Allred: OK, so I think I'm just thinking, like, in terms of Glackett, what I mentioned earlier, that I'm like, I'm thinking about, like, camaraderie this episode. And I'm like, do I see camaraderie here? I don't think so.

[1:25:57] Hunter Martin: Between Mercedes and the dancers. Britney was in that number.

[1:26:02] Ian Allred: Britney and Santana, they were dancing.

[1:26:04] Hunter Martin: They were dancing.

[1:26:05] Ian Allred: Santana is not dancing in that number.

[1:26:07] Hunter Martin: Wait, Santana's not there.

[1:26:09] Ian Allred: No.

[1:26:10] Hunter Martin: Oh, it's not she was.

[1:26:12] Ian Allred: Phoebe's not there.

[1:26:13] Hunter Martin: No, Santana is not there. It's just Britney.

[1:26:15] Ian Allred: Britney's there.

[1:26:15] Hunter Martin: So camaraderie between being on that. But I do think it's just Britney. The very important relationship between Britney and Mercedes is kind of established here.

[1:26:23] Ian Allred: Of course.

[1:26:26] Hunter Martin: Well, this is famously, I believe, the first episode where Britney gets a line, because I don't think she's talking in showmance. She's just there.

[1:26:34] Ian Allred: She doesn't talk in showmance.

[1:26:35] Hunter Martin: What does she say?

[1:26:35] Ian Allred: I don't think she's talking in showmance.

[1:26:37] Hunter Martin: There is a moment.

[1:26:39] Ian Allred: There is a moment when Mercedes is walking next to the Unholy Trinity and Quinn is really trying to get her to go for Kurt. And I swear.

[1:26:48] Hunter Martin: No.

[1:26:50] Ian Allred: Britney says something really brief.

[1:26:53] Hunter Martin: Britney.

[1:26:53] Ian Allred: Britney's first line, I believe, is he's the kicker, is not the smallest guy on the team.

[1:26:59] Hunter Martin: Oh, my God.

[1:26:59] Ian Allred: I guess she just gives like a really knowing nod. And she had so much star power that I'm like, that's yeah, that was a spoken line.

[1:27:07] Hunter Martin: But I think that like with this song, I have a stinky mood. I think that like I'm like Mercedes had a solo go through in the premiere episode around four. And she has the most solos that have anybody in the glockenspiel. And I'm like, if we were making cuts, oh, my God. Why am I like wanting to like before I even see what it's against being like?

[1:27:29] Ian Allred: I know.

[1:27:29] Hunter Martin: Seriously, you're already giving its eulogy.

[1:27:32] Ian Allred: Maybe it's against the eulogy stinker. What's up?

[1:27:35] Hunter Martin: But, you know, the one note that I wrote down about this song is, I like that. I don't know any. I don't know much about cars. But I like that. I don't know much about cars, but I like when the car was on the stage, the wheels were turning the like the rims.

[1:27:56] Ian Allred: Yeah, yeah.

[1:27:57] Hunter Martin: I liked that value. It's not just the bus that go round and round. It's the wheels on the car go round and round.

[1:28:06] Ian Allred: Of course, the bus is on your car. Last song of the episode.

[1:28:10] Hunter Martin: Oh, I'm not ready for it to be over.

[1:28:12] Ian Allred: No, you're your face. Bohemian Rhapsody.

[1:28:17] Hunter Martin: OK, so this is actually we're ending on.

[1:28:21] Ian Allred: Oh, no. I'm just going to tell you, you don't seem excited.

[1:28:26] Hunter Martin: No, it's just like every time that we talk about this song, it's like.

[1:28:30] Ian Allred: OK, I guess I need to get into this space.

[1:28:32] Hunter Martin: Do you want me to tell you?

[1:28:34] Ian Allred: No, I want to see the thumbnail.

[1:28:37] Hunter Martin: OK, let's see.

[1:28:37] Ian Allred: I'm so curious what the thumbnail is for this.

[1:28:40] Hunter Martin: Oh, I'm scared.

[1:28:43] Ian Allred: Is it like a mega downer?

[1:28:45] Hunter Martin: Right? It's a mega downer.

[1:28:47] Ian Allred: Oh, wait, is it is it like nothing for the quarterback is left, right?

[1:28:52] Hunter Martin: No, there's seasons of love left, and it's not that.

[1:28:55] Ian Allred: OK, OK, then it's OK.

[1:28:59] Hunter Martin: What could it possibly be that was so sad that you were like, I don't even want to talk about this?

[1:29:03] Ian Allred: Oh, it's cough syrup.

[1:29:05] Hunter Martin: Oh, my gosh.

[1:29:06] Ian Allred: It's cough syrup.

[1:29:06] Hunter Martin: OK, play the tape.

[1:29:08] Ian Allred: Play the tape.

[1:29:11] Hunter Martin: Damn.

[1:29:11] Ian Allred: Happy Pride Month.

[1:29:13] Hunter Martin: Happy Pride Month.

[1:29:14] Ian Allred: Goodness sakes. Every time that we watch this performance, I feel like I kind of like overcompensate and just like write all the funny things that I find about this performance, which is so fucked up. But I'm just like, there's so many like I my brain kind of just like works backwards and I'm like the profile pictures of them screaming at each other.

[1:29:36] Hunter Martin: Yes.

[1:29:36] Ian Allred: The girl that just wrote like hashtag percentage sound exclamation point. Homo hashtag percent. I know it's like it's impossible for me to be earnest about this song. So does anybody want to be earnest about this song?

[1:29:50] Hunter Martin: I can be earnest about this song. Hunter, do you want to be earnest about this song?

[1:29:53] Ian Allred: We'll see what happens, according to Ernest.

[1:29:56] Hunter Martin: Watch what happens.

[1:29:57] Ian Allred: OK, Oscar Wilde in the chat, everyone. The importance of being.

[1:30:01] Hunter Martin: The importance of being earnest.

[1:30:03] Ian Allred: That's what it was called. I do remember watching this episode in high school, and it was like this was one of those glee episodes where I knew so much about it before it even came on the screen because it was that was like one of the like the controversial episodes, I remember.

[1:30:16] Hunter Martin: Having the the parental advisory at the at the top of that episode.

[1:30:31] Ian Allred: So I remember I remember like said it was very like. You're watching something that is an important thing to pay attention to. If that makes sense, what I'm saying?

[1:30:43] Hunter Martin: Yeah, like they really prepared at least for like a 15, 16 year old like child to be like, OK, this is going to be like heavy topic. So my hat's off to Glee for that way back when.

[1:30:59] Ian Allred: And I do remember the song. Remember, I started being obsessed with this song after the episode. Mm hmm. I didn't know them. I didn't know the artist.

[1:31:06] Hunter Martin: Who was the artist of the song?

[1:31:09] Ian Allred: Young, the giant.

[1:31:10] Hunter Martin: Young, the giant. So, yeah, it is like. It's one of those glee moments that I think as after school specials, the episode may seem I do think it was done well. I know that's like one of the things that I was like thinking about, like what while being like the opposite of being earnest that I was like thinking about that like maybe this I don't know, somewhat earnest, but like the fact that they they they did incorporate this this plot into a already very crowded episode that like I think that I don't know if like did the plot any favors that I think but I don't know. But if the plot really existed as like if they didn't go to the region, if they didn't go to regionals within this episode, then like if it was just like a just regular episode of Glee where this plot line happens with Kowalski, then like would it appear as like an ultra special episode? You know what I mean?

[1:32:20] Hunter Martin: I think this is like when Glee decided to make that creative choice of sometimes we're going to take things seriously. And then sometimes we want to do the same thing we just talked about being serious, but do it for laughs. And that's where you were. You got very confused.

[1:32:35] Ian Allred: Like when Sue committed suicide.

[1:32:37] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[1:32:38] Ian Allred: And then the same season we're having this discussion about suicidal thoughts and ideation, you know.

[1:32:46] Hunter Martin: So I think that's when Glee had to choose a lane. And it did at the beginning. And then we're like, we're swerving. We're swerving. We're staying on one side and then we're going back. I think that like specifically, I don't know, I do feel like there's room for like Sue aside and also this Kowalski plot line. But my major qualm is with like Sue making joke references back to this plot line when you get to like season six where it's like she makes references to this plot in like a jokey manner. And I'm like, oh, but it wasn't. It's not funny.

[1:33:32] Hunter Martin: That wasn't funny. Like the show feels like very off limits. The show didn't play it as like dark humor, like the suicide. They're like, we're taking this seriously.

[1:33:41] Ian Allred: Like, yeah, because also the suicide. The suicide was like her overdosing on like gummy vitamins, like trying to overdose. Like it was like and it's also very clearly she wasn't trying to do anything, at least in my read from it. She's trying to, you know, get Will and Emma to be worried about her.

[1:34:07] Hunter Martin: Yes.

[1:34:08] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:34:09] Hunter Martin: Yeah. And it's like as a result of like Katie Couric calling her loser of the year.

[1:34:14] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:34:15] Hunter Martin: Yeah. Like it's like it's all very light. Actually, still.

[1:34:22] Ian Allred: That's really interesting. Ian, what do you have to say?

[1:34:27] Ian Allred: Okay. I think Glee as a TV show tried way too hard to tackle way too many issues. It's the coldest take of all time. Everyone always says this. However, I do think that like the one subset of issues that it made sense for Glee to talk about is queer issues. And they were not always handled well. But I do think that sometimes they were handled incredibly well. And it made a lot of sense for the stories they were telling with the characters that they were telling to talk about what it is like to come out to yourself and to come out to those around you and to like experience homophobia and also experience acceptance and all of those things. And I do, you know, the suicidal ideation is something that is very prevalent in queer youth in homophobic areas. And I don't think that personally, I don't think that

[1:35:23] Ian Allred: This is an example of something that Glee, like, was off-base for talking about.

[1:35:27] Hunter Martin: No.

[1:35:28] Ian Allred: I don't love that, like, this happens to Karofsky and then we never see him again for three years. I don't like that they kind of, like, wheel him back into the show so that they can do this and then they're, like, anyways moving on. Like, that kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But I, and I only speak for myself, um, I find this scene very impactful. I find the conversations they have afterwards, like, the conversations in the God Squad, I think has a lot of really impactful stuff. I really love—I love the scene between the teachers.

[1:36:00] Hunter Martin: Yeah, oh, yes. I love the scene between the teachers. I love Kurt, the whole plot of Kurt kind of feeling like he's to blame because Karofsky kept calling him and he kept ignoring it. And then everyone having to be like, you never could have known, like, it was out of your control. And then I love the scene with Kurt and Karofsky in the hospital. So there's a lot of aspects of this plotline that I actually really love. And I am a big fan of this number.

[1:36:34] Ian Allred: I think that Darren Criss obviously sounds incredible. I think having a song, I think if it was, which they kind of do do this later in the episode, if it was like, we know Karofsky's going through a hard time, so here's a song dedicated to him. I think that works way worse. Like, that is much less effective. But for it to be like, Blaine and Kurt, who have no idea what's going on with Karofsky, are in the auditorium, and Blaine's just singing a song that he thinks would be a good option for regionals, and the song thematically happens to match what Karofsky's going through. And now we see, in my opinion, a pretty tasteful montage of like, Karofsky going through very deep depression. And then it is made clear to us what he plans to do, but we are not shown the act at all.

I personally, Ian Allred, think it is done very tastefully. And every time I have watched it, it is super impactful. I'm a big, big fan of this number. And then of course, the screaming profiles also make me giggle in the middle of it all.

[1:37:41] Hunter Martin: Right, but I like what you said about like, I don't know, because I'm thinking about like, a very special episode where Glee tackled this plotline that was not a mid-season finale. It wasn't played for like, because I think that like, this episode, On My Way, is so specific that it's like, car crash at the end. It tackles so many different things, like sex and bribing, that I'm like, oh my god, how do we have like, 45? How is this the same length of every other episode?

[1:38:11] Ian Allred: Teen marriage!

[1:38:12] Hunter Martin: Right.

[1:38:13] Ian Allred: I forgot that was this episode.

[1:38:14] Hunter Martin: Yes! And they also go to like, fucking regionals in this episode, and I'm like, oh my god! Can we just like, I know that we have the time, we just had the Spanish episode! Can we sparse this out a little bit? Anyway, I think that...

[1:38:30] Ian Allred: No, they're doing too much in this episode. They're doing too much.

[1:38:33] Hunter Martin: They were doing too much! If this was like, the big plot for the episode, and we didn't have like, all these extra things going on, I think what you were saying, Ian, I think would have happened, where it was like, they would have like, sang a song at Karofsky to like, cheer him up, a la like, I'm thinking about like, the mashup that they sang to Beast after they were like, thinking about her, in the Never Be Kissed episode.

[1:39:05] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:39:06] Hunter Martin: Um, I'm thinking like, that feels like the way more obvious Glee thing to do, whereas this is like, the much more like, artistic, they clearly put so much thought into it, and like, Max Adler like, showed up and like, really just like, performed the hell out of this.

[1:39:15] Ian Allred: Trying to get that Emmy nom.

[1:39:17] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[1:39:18] Ian Allred: Um, he did not get an Emmy nom.

[1:39:19] Hunter Martin: I guess Andrew, what you were saying was, because there was so much plot in this episode, they couldn't do the classic Glee thing, and I guess they sort of did, with this antenna coming out episode, where they were singing to her, in a way.

[1:39:33] Hunter Martin: Right!

[1:39:34] Ian Allred: Yes!

[1:39:35] Hunter Martin: Where they just like, had like, time to fill, so it's like, hey, we just want to sing songs.

[1:39:39] Ian Allred: Yeah, it's like, like Finn sings, girls just want to have fun.

[1:39:43] Hunter Martin: And like, they sing perfect, like, Puck gets a song to her, a Santana.

[1:39:46] Ian Allred: Yeah, so I think that's what this episode could have turned into, if they had more time.

[1:39:51] Hunter Martin: Yes.

[1:39:52] Ian Allred: To kill.

[1:39:53] Hunter Martin: Entirely.

[1:39:54] Ian Allred: I think that also, one of the things that I wrote down was, I just think that it was very smart, um, the writers to utilize Karofsky in this way, that I think there is another version of Glee that we caught up with Karofsky, maybe at Scandals, a few episodes before, Kurt runs into him, they have like, this nice little closure, and it's like, and that's a series wrap on Karofsky, kind of thing.

[1:40:20] Hunter Martin: That's like, that I think it's so intelligent to like, still like, keep on going back to Karofsky.

[1:40:28] Ian Allred: And I know that like, what you said, where it was like, yeah, this is the last time that we see him for a very long time, and I think that that's a disservice. But I think that there's a world where we don't even get this.

[1:40:38] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[1:40:39] Ian Allred: You know?

[1:40:40] Hunter Martin: Um, I'm a Karofsky defender.

[1:40:41] Ian Allred: I know a lot of people have a lot of strong feelings about Karofsky, I just think like, this is the reality of like, growing up in homophobic places, like, people handle it differently. And I don't excuse anything he did, but like, ultimately, he deeply hated himself, and that hate came out sideways and got directed at other people.

[1:40:58] Ian Allred: And I like that I feel as though Glee, because it also could have been, Prom Queen could have been a series wrap.

[1:41:06] Hunter Martin: Oh, entirely, yeah.

[1:41:07] Ian Allred: Where it's like, Kurt asks him to dance, and he can't bring himself to do it, and he leaves. And I'm very pleased with them bringing him back in season three and showing that he has love for himself now.

[1:41:19] Hunter Martin: But it's not like you can flip a switch and like, undo, you know, years and years and years of homophobia.

[1:41:25] Ian Allred: And so yes, he has love for himself, but he has love for himself in like, the privacy of a gay bar.

[1:41:31] Hunter Martin: Like, he has love for himself in very safe queer spaces.

[1:41:37] Ian Allred: And then when he gets outed, suddenly all of that hatred starts flooding back. I think Glee was smart, one, if they were going to talk about suicidal ideation, I think it was smart to not do it with a member of the New Directions, because then it's disrespectful if you like, try and move on the next episode, that it's like, that's not something that you can just like, move on from.

[1:42:05] Hunter Martin: I mean, that's like, we kind of saw that with like, Shooting Star, that it's like, oh, they just moved on.

[1:42:10] Ian Allred: Yes, which is my big issue the next episode, they're like, anyways, no school shootings here.

[1:42:15] Hunter Martin: And then it also would have felt disrespectful to like, introduce a character for the sole purpose of them trying to take their own life.

[1:42:21] Ian Allred: So I do think that it worked. I think Karofsky is the right choice. I do wish that we got like, one more appearance from him later in season three.

[1:42:37] Hunter Martin: To like, someone checking in on him, like, just to show that like, he is out in the world and they are, you know, keeping him in mind.

[1:42:44] Ian Allred: But I think he was the right choice. I like that we have this little arc of getting him back into the story and seeing where he's at now.

[1:42:53] Hunter Martin: And I think also, what we know about him and how he felt about himself in season two, it does make sense that this would be something that he went through.

[1:43:05] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:43:06] Hunter Martin: And what's very not glee of them to do is have them become friends with the rest of the New Directions.

[1:43:12] Ian Allred: And he eventually joins the Glee Club, because that's how they—that's how it always happens.

[1:43:16] Hunter Martin: True.

[1:43:17] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:43:18] Hunter Martin: I mean, they flirt with that in Sue Sylvester Shuffle.

[1:43:20] Ian Allred: I know.

[1:43:21] Hunter Martin: And I was like, I remember watching that live and I was like, I was half expecting it to happen.

[1:43:25] Ian Allred: And then I was like, really surprised that they didn't, you know, show up to bat to Max Adler show choir alum.

[1:43:32] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[1:43:33] Ian Allred: He didn't even get to sing on this damn show.

[1:43:36] Hunter Martin: It's like, I'm ready.

[1:43:37] Ian Allred: But anyway, I also final note that I wanted to say was, I don't think this is the right Blaine outfit for this performance.

[1:43:45] Hunter Martin: What should he have worn?

[1:43:47] Ian Allred: Something not as, like, cartoonishly Blaine.

[1:43:52] Hunter Martin: Have some respect, Blaine, for something you don't know is happening.

[1:43:56] Ian Allred: Do you agree?

[1:43:57] Hunter Martin: I think that, like, he needs to be something a little bit more casual. The cough syrup is iconically a bright red sweater to me.

[1:44:03] Ian Allred: I'm sorry, I can't imagine any other way because this outfit, I've never seen it a different way.

[1:44:08] Hunter Martin: I just like, okay, it is cartoony in a way that it is synonymous with the number to me.

[1:44:14] Ian Allred: Yeah, I'm sure it was fun for like, the creators of the show when they finally got Blaine out of that uniform being like, Oh my gosh, what is his style going to be?

[1:44:22] Hunter Martin: They went crazy.

[1:44:23] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:44:24] Hunter Martin: And they were like, I got it.

[1:44:26] Ian Allred: I got it.

[1:44:27] Hunter Martin: Bow ties.

[1:44:28] Ian Allred: He dresses like he's working at the fucking Daily Planet every day going to public high school.

[1:44:33] Hunter Martin: And we're always going to see his ankles.

[1:44:35] Ian Allred: Crazy.

[1:44:36] Hunter Martin: He does look like a little page boy.

[1:44:37] Ian Allred: Jeez, Mr. Show.

[1:44:38] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[1:44:39] Ian Allred: Like a big old Jimmy Olsen up in there.

[1:44:43] Hunter Martin: Is there anything final we need to say about cough syrup before we vote?

[1:44:47] Ian Allred: Yes.

[1:44:48] Hunter Martin: Which is that Max Adler's from my hometown.

[1:44:50] Ian Allred: He is one of two people from my hometown on this TV show. The other one being Heather Morris.

[1:44:55] Hunter Martin: And that famously, three of us went and saw Heather Morris at 11 to midnight. And I was like, I gotta gotta gotta see her at the stage doors that I can tell her that we're from the same hometown.

[1:45:01] Ian Allred: Because in my mind, you know that scene when Kurt goes to vogue.com and Isabelle's like, you're from Ohio. And they're like, we're now literal soulmates. I was like, that's gonna be me and Heather Morris. Like, I'm gonna mention that I'm from Scottsdale. And we're gonna be talking about like local restaurants, we're going to be talking about like, landmarks and all kinds of shit.

[1:45:27] Hunter Martin: She truly could not have cared less.

[1:45:28] Ian Allred: She was really nice about it.

[1:45:30] Hunter Martin: Of course, because she's a very nice person.

[1:45:32] Ian Allred: She was like, so crazy.

[1:45:34] Hunter Martin: And now we're both in New York.

[1:45:35] Ian Allred: And I was like, girl, yeah, obviously, we're both in New York.

[1:45:40] Hunter Martin: We're standing here right now.

[1:45:42] Ian Allred: I look around.

[1:45:43] Hunter Martin: Hello.

[1:45:44] Ian Allred: Hello.

[1:45:45] Hunter Martin: I literally for literally since 2009. I have been like, I gotta meet this woman and let her know that like, we grew up in the same place.

[1:45:57] Ian Allred: I'm sorry.

[1:45:58] Hunter Martin: And she did not wish she was not impressed.

[1:46:02] Ian Allred: You know, she wasn't lying.

[1:46:05] Hunter Martin: She wasn't lying. We're both in New York now.

[1:46:08] Ian Allred: She does talk about—she did. I was listening to an interview with her. And she mentioned that, like, when this thing happened, I was in Arizona visiting my family.

[1:46:17] Hunter Martin: It's like, she's good.

[1:46:18] Ian Allred: She goes back there all the time.

[1:46:19] Hunter Martin: Yeah, I think she was there now.

[1:46:22] Ian Allred: She might.

[1:46:23] Hunter Martin: She might. Maybe I'll go find her.

[1:46:26] Ian Allred: You know, who else is from my general area, but not the exact town, Emma Stone and Aidy Bryant.

[1:46:31] Hunter Martin: Really?

[1:46:32] Ian Allred: Hey.

[1:46:33] Hunter Martin: They didn't.

[1:46:34] Ian Allred: Well, I was skipping that one.

[1:46:35] Hunter Martin: I think there's any way I can McCain as well.

[1:46:38] Ian Allred: There's no big Bad Bunny fan, Megan McCain.

[1:46:42] Hunter Martin: Enter from.

[1:46:43] Ian Allred: Yes.

[1:46:44] Hunter Martin: Tanner, are you just Googling people from my hometown?

[1:46:49] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:46:50] Hunter Martin: Well, I know Tanner from Love on the Spectrum is from a town that or lives in a town that I grew up in.

[1:46:56] Ian Allred: Wait.

[1:46:57] Hunter Martin: His first dates at where I took my prom photos at.

[1:47:01] Ian Allred: Oh, really?

[1:47:02] Hunter Martin: She knows that after the Super Bowl, Megan McCain had one of her rare moments of, like, being a little more open minded.

[1:47:14] Ian Allred: And she got very vocal online with like, what is everyone talking about about like Bad Bunny being anti-American?

[1:47:23] Hunter Martin: She was like, his music is great. And that performance is clearly a celebration of all of America.

[1:47:28] Ian Allred: And then she tweeted for like a week every single day after the performance about how much she loved Bad Bunny and how she'd never heard of him before the Super Bowl.

[1:47:33] Hunter Martin: But now she's listening to his music every day and she loved his music.

[1:47:39] Ian Allred: Megan McCain, kind of an icon for her support of Bad Bunny.

[1:47:43] Hunter Martin: Sounds bleeming out.

[1:47:44] Ian Allred: What is, you know, the meme where it's the Megan McCain tweet where she kept on tweeting love you more than those bitches before.

[1:47:50] Hunter Martin: And it's just all the different times that she's tweeted exactly that.

[1:47:57] Ian Allred: Love you more than those bitches before.

[1:48:02] Hunter Martin: Been listening to nothing but Bad Bunny since the Super Bowl. Congrats to all the lunatics who have inadvertently turned me into the biggest Bad Bunny stan on the planet now.

[1:48:10] Ian Allred: My favorite song is Titi Me Pregunto and Nueva York.

[1:48:13] Hunter Martin: Okay.

[1:48:14] Ian Allred: Okay.

[1:48:15] Hunter Martin: I just love him.

[1:48:16] Ian Allred: I'm sure she said it exactly with that diction.

[1:48:18] Hunter Martin: She did. She's a bilingual queen, Megan McCain.

[1:48:22] Ian Allred: One thing I love about her.

[1:48:23] Hunter Martin: I need an edit of her saying Bad Bunny to the tune of my father, my father, my father.

[1:48:28] Ian Allred: Bad Bunny.

[1:48:29] Hunter Martin: Bad Bunny.

[1:48:30] Ian Allred: Bad Bunny.

[1:48:31] Hunter Martin: Bad Bunny.

[1:48:32] Ian Allred: Bad Bunny.

[1:48:33] Hunter Martin: Bad Bunny.

[1:48:34] Ian Allred: Bad Bunny.

[1:48:35] Hunter Martin: Bad Bunny.

[1:48:36] Ian Allred: Do we want to vote between these two songs?

[1:48:37] Hunter Martin: I'm confident in mine.

[1:48:38] Ian Allred: I am confident too.

[1:48:41] Hunter Martin: Are you confident in yours, Andrew?

[1:48:43] Andrew: I think so.

[1:48:44] Ian Allred: I'm...

[1:48:45] Hunter Martin: Okay.

[1:48:46] Ian Allred: Is this...

[1:48:47] Hunter Martin: Okay.

[1:48:48] Ian Allred: I literally can't believe I'm doing this.

[1:48:53] Hunter Martin: I'm going to blow my low twice.

[1:48:56] Ian Allred: You're blowing your low twice?

[1:48:57] Hunter Martin: I love you.

[1:48:58] Ian Allred: You can do that.

[1:48:59] Ian Allred: I've got a lot of lows stored up...

[1:50:00] Andrew: How the energy that I felt from that screen of Amber Riley in that number.

[1:50:07] Hunter Martin: And granted, very two different musical numbers that we watched back to that.

[1:50:12] Ian Allred: Different ends of the Gleek.

[1:50:13] Hunter Martin: Entirely different.

[1:50:14] Ian Allred: Entirely.

[1:50:16] Hunter Martin: Different names even.

[1:50:18] Ian Allred: There's just different characters.

[1:50:23] Hunter Martin: Different seasons.

[1:50:24] Ian Allred: Different seasons, different vocals, different outfits.

[1:50:26] Hunter Martin: But the same show.

[1:50:30] Ian Allred: Somehow they're related.

[1:50:32] Hunter Martin: I can't put my finger on how.

[1:50:36] Ian Allred: Both being sung to Kurt Hummel, by the way.

[1:50:39] Hunter Martin: Oh!

[1:50:40] Ian Allred: Three of the four numbers tonight were sung to Kurt Hummel.

[1:50:45] Hunter Martin: He did not sing a word.

[1:50:46] Ian Allred: He's on everyone's mind.

[1:50:48] Hunter Martin: But the only exception was the only exception.

[1:50:52] Ian Allred: Oh!

[1:50:58] Hunter Martin: With that I say, bust your windows.

[1:50:59] Ian Allred: Kurt Hummel, we are so jealous of you.

[1:51:01] Hunter Martin: All of the great performances that have been sung at you over the years.

[1:51:06] Ian Allred: When Kurt Hummel said he was back in McKinley, he meant it.

[1:51:11] Hunter Martin: I meant to say that there was a glistener that messaged me years ago.

[1:51:16] Ian Allred: That messaged me that her and her friends have this bit when they go out that they'll just like scream at each other.

[1:51:21] Hunter Martin: Kurt Hummel's back in McKinley!

[1:51:26] Ian Allred: And I think that's like just the best bit of all time.

[1:51:29] Hunter Martin: I just think it's so fun.

[1:51:31] Ian Allred: Just like walking into a room.

[1:51:33] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[1:51:37] Ian Allred: Um, I think I'm also gonna blow my low.

[1:51:45] Hunter Martin: BlaineStans!

[1:51:46] Ian Allred: Big day!

[1:51:47] Hunter Martin: Big day, BlaineStans!

[1:51:49] Ian Allred: Everyone thinks that we hate him on this podcast.

[1:51:52] Hunter Martin: Um, I just think I already had that stinky attitude about bust your windows.

[1:51:57] Ian Allred: And that does remain.

[1:51:59] Hunter Martin: And tomorrow I'm gonna wake up and I'm gonna be like, I needed...

[1:52:02] Ian Allred: I don't know who that was, but...

[1:52:04] Hunter Martin: Remind me why you had a stinky attitude.

[1:52:05] Ian Allred: I forgot.

[1:52:06] Hunter Martin: I just think Mercedes is eating too good.

[1:52:08] Ian Allred: She's, she's, she has too many.

[1:52:11] Hunter Martin: And I think...

[1:52:11] Ian Allred: Rachel's down to two.

[1:52:13] Hunter Martin: So we got to cut some for you, sister.

[1:52:15] Ian Allred: Rachel's not doing so well.

[1:52:17] Hunter Martin: So how do I hurt another character?

[1:52:19] Ian Allred: Yeah, that's kind of like what the Glee writers were thinking.

[1:52:23] Hunter Martin: Um, but, uh, yeah.

[1:52:26] Ian Allred: I...

[1:52:27] Hunter Martin: Cough Syrup, obviously very, very special.

[1:52:29] Ian Allred: And I actually, even if I didn't have this stinky attitude about bust your windows, I think I still would have voted for Cough Syrup.

[1:52:35] Hunter Martin: But I think it's like, it's, it's so wonderfully done.

[1:52:39] Ian Allred: I remember like listening to an interview with Max Adler, where he like explained like his process of approaching this scene.

[1:52:48] Hunter Martin: And I just think that like, he was so serious about it.

[1:52:51] Ian Allred: And it comes across in the performance, but it's another thing to hear about it.

[1:52:54] Hunter Martin: Um, and I just think that they, they really, really treated it so seriously.

[1:53:00] Ian Allred: And so I'm really glad that it exists.

[1:53:03] Hunter Martin: Yay!

[1:53:05] Ian Allred: Um, and recap for this episode, Somewhere Only We Know.

[1:53:10] Hunter Martin: Yeah, that Somewhere's going to be round five.

[1:53:14] Ian Allred: Um, the only exception.

[1:53:18] Hunter Martin: Oh God, what do we even say to her?

[1:53:21] Ian Allred: You are the only exception.

[1:53:25] Hunter Martin: Except you're not going to round five.

[1:53:30] Ian Allred: I don't know.

[1:53:32] Hunter Martin: Round five's the only exception.

[1:53:34] Ian Allred: I don't know.

[1:53:35] Hunter Martin: Cause you're not going.

[1:53:36] Ian Allred: That honestly meant it.

[1:53:39] Hunter Martin: Great line from Ian there.

[1:53:41] Ian Allred: One of the best to come out of this podcast, I'd say.

[1:53:44] Hunter Martin: I would say so.

[1:53:45] Ian Allred: Bust your windows.

[1:53:46] Hunter Martin: You are bussed in.

[1:53:50] Ian Allred: You are out of the glaga cause you're out of here.

[1:53:54] Hunter Martin: Right, right.

[1:53:55] Ian Allred: Yes.

[1:53:56] Hunter Martin: Cough Syrup.

[1:53:57] Ian Allred: I'm waiting for this Cough Syrup to come, come on down to round five.

[1:54:03] Hunter Martin: Anyway.

[1:54:03] Ian Allred: All the best songs are going to round five, but you are the only exception.

[1:54:08] Hunter Martin: Is that better?

[1:54:09] Ian Allred: Yeah, it almost, I know you didn't do this, but if I didn't know you, it looks like you just looked at your phone and you put it into like Gemini or something.

[1:54:17] Hunter Martin: Of course.

[1:54:18] Ian Allred: I have AI do all of my writing because I have no personality.

[1:54:23] Hunter Martin: Well, finally you said it.

[1:54:26] Ian Allred: Finally we have that online.

[1:54:27] Hunter Martin: Um, okay, Ian, do you have, it is so, it's, it's late.

[1:54:35] Ian Allred: We need to wrap this up.

[1:54:36] Hunter Martin: It's early for me, babe.

[1:54:37] Ian Allred: I work nights.

[1:54:39] Hunter Martin: Oh, I gotta be up at 5am tomorrow.

[1:54:42] Ian Allred: Oh no!

[1:54:43] Hunter Martin: Okay, let's wrap it up.

[1:54:45] Ian Allred: Ian, what do you have to say?

[1:54:46] Hunter Martin: What do you have to leave the Gleeks with?

[1:54:48] Ian Allred: Okay, um, Gleeks, go out and live joyously.

[1:54:54] Hunter Martin: But also if you would like to, if you're like, oh my gosh, I just, I love Glee so much and I love Gleek of the Week so much, but I wish I also had another TV show to watch and another podcast to listen to.

[1:55:04] Ian Allred: I have really amazing news.

[1:55:07] Hunter Martin: You're not going to believe it, which is that I have a Buffy podcast with Lena, who was a guest last week.

[1:55:12] Ian Allred: It's called Slay, a queer Buffy podcast.

[1:55:17] Hunter Martin: We're currently on season three.

[1:55:19] Ian Allred: Um, we just realized that a guy in season three is one of the doctors who tells Britney that she's a genius.

[1:55:25] Hunter Martin: That's been very fun, is to find the people in Buffy who are like, bit characters in Buffy and also bit characters on Glee.

[1:55:32] Ian Allred: It's very exciting.

[1:55:34] Hunter Martin: I forgot about that scene.

[1:55:35] Ian Allred: That scene from Glee is like, so like, out of the tone.

[1:55:39] Hunter Martin: Well, one of them is Deputy Mayor Alan Finch, a multi-episode character on season three of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, of course.

[1:55:46] Ian Allred: Can you relate Buffy the Vampire Slayer to one of the four songs that we watched tonight?

[1:55:53] Hunter Martin: Oh my God.

[1:55:55] Ian Allred: Um, well, of course, Buffy has an iconic gay romance in it, which is very Summer Only We Know, but that's too easy a mark.

[1:56:02] Hunter Martin: Let's see, we did Summer Only We Know, we did Only Exception, we did Bust Your Windows, and we did, um, Cough Syrup.

[1:56:16] Ian Allred: Oh, mama.

[1:56:17] Hunter Martin: Sorry, there's an ambulance passing.

[1:56:19] Ian Allred: A really crazy creative writing exercise.

[1:56:22] Hunter Martin: I know, you put me, I gotta ask, I gotta ask Gemma AI if I'm not creative enough.

[1:56:25] Ian Allred: Yeah, just put it in the AI, I know how much you like that.

[1:56:27] Hunter Martin: I'll put it in the AI, I'll say, hey, please.

[1:56:29] Ian Allred: Relate this to Buffy the Vampire Slayer for me.

[1:56:34] Hunter Martin: Um, I'm gonna say that, uh, there is, there is an arc in Buffy where a character through no fault of their own becomes evil and kills someone, and then becomes good again.

[1:56:53] Ian Allred: It's like a curse that happens to them.

[1:56:54] Hunter Martin: Yeah.

[1:56:55] Ian Allred: And one of the other characters is in love with them, but, like, knows that no one will forgive them for killing that person, and so they have to be in love in secret, so they have to go somewhere only they know to show their love and affection towards each other.

[1:57:09] Hunter Martin: That's perfect.

[1:57:10] Ian Allred: What was that?

[1:57:12] Hunter Martin: Oh, your reaction looked like you were like, fucking, are you kidding me?

[1:57:15] Ian Allred: And I was like, I tried my best.

[1:57:18] Hunter Martin: I hated it.

[1:57:19] Ian Allred: No, I loved it.

[1:57:21] Hunter Martin: Okay, great.

[1:57:22] Ian Allred: Genuinely, great show.

[1:57:24] Hunter Martin: I also will say, there is an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer where you see an alternate reality, because the show takes place in California, where you see an alternate reality where Buffy, instead of going to California, went to Ohio, and we had a lot of fun theorizing about her going to McKinley High in the 90s and being a classmate of Will, Kendra, Terry, and Brian Ryan.

[1:57:50] Ian Allred: And it was a blast.

[1:57:53] Hunter Martin: We have a lot of Glee crossover on that episode, I mean, on that podcast in general.

[1:57:57] Ian Allred: You sent me something today.

[1:57:58] Hunter Martin: I sent you a picture of Rachel Berry as Hannibal Lecter, because we talk about what would happen if Glee didn't have an arts program.

[1:58:03] Ian Allred: And what would happen is that Rachel Berry would have—because there's, as I mentioned to—sorry, this is such a long tangent.

[1:58:13] Hunter Martin: As I mentioned to Andrew, there is a serial killer on Buffy who has a propensity for—he has a talent for photography.

[1:58:21] Ian Allred: So we go on a tangent about the importance of arts programs and how they're keeping people from becoming serial killers, and then we say that Rachel Berry would have become a serial killer if it wasn't for the Glee club.

[1:58:30] Hunter Martin: Oh, yeah.

[1:58:31] Ian Allred: Anyways, listen to the podcast.

[1:58:32] Hunter Martin: God, that was so long.

[1:58:33] Ian Allred: I'm really sorry, everyone.

[1:58:34] Hunter Martin: I love to talk about myself.

[1:58:36] Ian Allred: Anyways, moving on.

[1:58:36] Hunter Martin: I loved it.

[1:58:37] Ian Allred: I love when you talk about yourself.

[1:58:39] Hunter Martin: I also love when Hunter talks about himself.

[1:58:42] Ian Allred: What do you have to leave the Gleeks with?

[1:58:44] Hunter Martin: Uh, Gleeks, don't stop believing.

[1:58:47] Ian Allred: Make it number one.

[1:58:50] Hunter Martin: It better win.

[1:58:52] Ian Allred: It better win.

[1:58:53] Hunter Martin: I'm kind of glad that we didn't pull that song in this episode.

[1:58:56] Ian Allred: I thought we were going to.

[1:58:57] Hunter Martin: Yeah, I would have felt like we had to vote it through.

[1:58:59] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[1:59:01] Hunter Martin: Um, but if you want another podcast in your life, Andrew and Ian have been on my podcast.

[1:59:10] Ian Allred: Come on back.

[1:59:12] Hunter Martin: The door is always open for everyone.

[1:59:14] Ian Allred: It will have you guys on together.

[1:59:15] Hunter Martin: That'd be fun.

[1:59:16] Ian Allred: There'll be four of us in one room.

[1:59:17] Hunter Martin: Dog with a blog.

[1:59:18] Ian Allred: In a Zoom room.

[1:59:19] Hunter Martin: Dog with a blog.

[1:59:19] Ian Allred: I've never seen it.

[1:59:21] Hunter Martin: No, you haven't.

[1:59:22] Ian Allred: The pilot is so incredible.

[1:59:24] Hunter Martin: But I have a Disney Channel podcast, The Time Mouse Sheen, where we talk about movies, TV shows, music of that era with Miley Cyrus, Jones Brothers, all of them.

[1:59:31] Ian Allred: There's no, unlike a Glockett or a TV show, there's really no end in sight.

[1:59:42] Hunter Martin: Uh, we are scraping at the bottom of the barrel and the barrel keeps going.

[1:59:47] Ian Allred: I love it.

[1:59:48] Hunter Martin: It's such a true hunter.

[1:59:50] Ian Allred: Did you meet through podcasting?

[1:59:52] Hunter Martin: Yes.

[1:59:53] Ian Allred: What would you say?

[1:59:54] Hunter Martin: So this entire if if podcasts didn't exist, none of us would be friends.

[1:59:58] Ian Allred: We would have been Hannibal Lecter.

[2:00:00] Hunter Martin: We would have all three of us would have been Hannibal Lecter if podcasts didn't exist.

[2:00:04] Ian Allred: Right.

[2:00:05] Hunter Martin: Exactly.

[2:00:05] Ian Allred: Crazy, crazy.

[2:00:08] Hunter Martin: Wow.

[2:00:08] Ian Allred: And here we all are.

[2:00:10] Hunter Martin: And we're going to watch and we're bringing it back to camaraderie.

[2:00:14] Ian Allred: Camaraderie.

[2:00:15] Hunter Martin: Wait, the same.

[2:00:16] Ian Allred: And that's why you should vote for this episode to win the Glockett of best week of the week episode.

[2:00:21] Hunter Martin: That's your project.

[2:00:23] Ian Allred: Wow.

[2:00:24] Hunter Martin: You bring guests on.

[2:00:25] Ian Allred: They listen to two entire episodes.

[2:00:29] Hunter Martin: I'm going to share my screen.

[2:00:31] Ian Allred: Gleats.

[2:00:35] Hunter Martin: Wait, can you can you relate one of the four songs to Disney Channel properties?

[2:00:41] Ian Allred: Really?

[2:00:41] Hunter Martin: The same exercise that you just did?

[2:00:45] Ian Allred: I would say maybe.

[2:00:50] Hunter Martin: Only exception.

[2:00:52] Ian Allred: Like that is such a Gabriella Montez.

[2:00:57] Hunter Martin: In the East High singing Detroit in those hips, swinging those hips and those ballerina flats that she that's all she wears in the first one.

[2:01:05] Ian Allred: Yeah, definitely.

[2:01:10] Hunter Martin: Like Rachel Berry and Gabriella Montez.

[2:01:13] Ian Allred: Like Rachel, there's like a like 100.

[2:01:15] Hunter Martin: And like Gabriella's like a two.

[2:01:17] Ian Allred: But like Gabriella will be in the club for sure.

[2:01:21] Hunter Martin: Yeah, I think Rachel would have killed her with her bare hands.

[2:01:24] Ian Allred: Right, Gabriella would not stand a chance for sure.

[2:01:29] Hunter Martin: Wait, is Gabriella really a threat to Rachel?

[2:01:33] Ian Allred: She's a threat to Sharpay.

[2:01:35] Hunter Martin: She's a threat to Sharpay.

[2:01:36] Ian Allred: But I think Rachel's like more.

[2:01:40] Hunter Martin: In tense that I think that she would walk all over Gabriella.

[2:01:47] Ian Allred: Yeah.

[2:01:48] Hunter Martin: In a way that Sharpay doesn't.

[2:01:49] Ian Allred: I also think I also think that Rachel would kill Sharpay.

[2:01:53] Hunter Martin: Like, I think you put Sharpay and Rachel in a room.

[2:01:55] Ian Allred: But you kind of Rachel's walking out alive.

[2:01:58] Hunter Martin: I think so, too.

[2:02:00] Ian Allred: I agree.

[2:02:01] Hunter Martin: Because Sharpay at the end of the day, like she's a mean girl.

[2:02:05] Ian Allred: But like if threatened, she gets scared.

[2:02:07] Hunter Martin: If threatened, Rachel will attack you.

[2:02:11] Ian Allred: I think this would be a really, really fun episode on Time Machine.

[2:02:16] Hunter Martin: We're bringing all the characters to think about.

[2:02:20] Ian Allred: Hey.

[2:02:24] Hunter Martin: Okay, I need to go to sleepy sleep.

[2:02:27] Ian Allred: Thank you so much.

[2:02:28] Hunter Martin: Love you both so much.

[2:02:29] Ian Allred: And there will be another episode next week.

[2:02:32] Hunter Martin: Okay.

[2:02:33] Ian Allred: Goodbye.

[2:02:35] Hunter Martin: It's Gleek.

[2:02:36] Ian Allred: Gleek of the Week.