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[0:04] Andrew Dodge: I have a bone to pick.

[0:05] Allison Dodge: Okay, I feel like I start so many episodes with like Darren Criss, what the fuck is going on?

[0:12] Andrew Dodge: It's like this is your little segment.

[0:14] Allison Dodge: This is my segment of Darren Criss, what are you doing? Um today I have so this is going to this episode is going to drop in like several weeks.

[0:25] Andrew Dodge: We've seen This is our Christmas episode, by the way.

[0:28] Allison Dodge: This is our Christmas episode.

[0:30] Andrew Dodge: Oh my god, Merry Christmas Gleeks.

[0:32] Allison Dodge: Yeah, Merry Christmas Gleeks. Sorry for like just taking over whatever conversation you were about to get into.

[0:37] Andrew Dodge: However, I am rooting for holiday songs to this episode.

[0:42] Allison Dodge: I'm saying holiday because I'm including Holly Holly.

[0:45] Andrew Dodge: No, I'm saying Hanukkah Oh Hanukkah.

[0:48] Allison Dodge: Oh, oh my god. If we pulled that this episode, I would shit bricks. Um anyways.

[0:54] Andrew Dodge: Okay, sorry, go ahead.

[0:55] Allison Dodge: We j Thanksgiving just happened last Thursday. Um Darren was in the parade.

[1:01] Andrew Dodge: He was on the Kinder egg float.

[1:04] Allison Dodge: He sang, didn't sing, he lip synced like uh everybody does on these floats.

[1:10] Andrew Dodge: The I want a hippopotamus for Christmas cover that he has on his Christmas album.

[1:14] Allison Dodge: Everybody does that at the Thanksgiving Day Parade.

[1:18] Andrew Dodge: Everybody's lipsing.

[1:19] Allison Dodge: I want a hippopotamus for Christmas.

[1:21] Andrew Dodge: Okay.

[1:22] Allison Dodge: Yes. Um arguably the worst song from his new Christmas album.

[1:29] Andrew Dodge: There were a lot of other ones.

[1:31] Allison Dodge: The single that he released could have been better.

[1:35] Andrew Dodge: Um I think they were going for the Kinder Hippopotamus shaped uh chocolate angle.

[1:43] Allison Dodge: Um I hated it. Um, afterwards, Darren goes on Twitter and is responding to like hate tweets.

[1:53] Andrew Dodge: Okay.

[1:53] Allison Dodge: Like, people are like, that was bad. And he was like, Macy's made me do it. Smile.

[2:00] Andrew Dodge: Like, what are you doing?

[2:02] Allison Dodge: It's weird that we are getting a lot of Darren material after his tour has been canceled.

[2:08] Andrew Dodge: Um music video today.

[2:11] Allison Dodge: I mean, years ago for the glisteners that are listening now. Um, but a new music video with um Glee's Adam Lambert.

[2:16] Andrew Dodge: Glee's Adam Lambert.

[2:22] Allison Dodge: Yeah. Um, we just got a new music video.

[2:25] Andrew Dodge: He just hosted Disney's holiday celebration.

[2:29] Allison Dodge: Um, he is going to be on the Kelly Clarkson show.

[2:33] Andrew Dodge: He just hosted Queen Family Sing Along.

[2:36] Allison Dodge: Um we are getting a lot of Darren content with no payoff.

[2:40] Andrew Dodge: Frankly, I mean, we get the we get the album, but you gave us something and then took it away.

[2:46] Allison Dodge: I'm angry.

[2:47] Andrew Dodge: I'm angry.

[2:48] Allison Dodge: I understand there's probably circumstances that I don't know about, but at face value.

[2:52] Andrew Dodge: You feel as though you're not alone in your anger.

[2:55] Allison Dodge: Uh at face value, I'm frustrated.

[2:57] Andrew Dodge: However, so what I think I this is you can't see it.

[3:03] Allison Dodge: Oh my god. I see an entire white screen.

[3:07] Andrew Dodge: No.

[3:08] Allison Dodge: Like, this is what I got. This is what I got.

[3:11] Andrew Dodge: So I think what Darren is doing right now, so this note is in this bit that I'm gonna give to you is what I would do as Darren Criss's PR manager.

[3:11] Allison Dodge: Uh-huh.

[3:11] Andrew Dodge: What I would do differently, what he's doing wrong in my eyes.

[3:25] Allison Dodge: Uh do I have any experience doing PR for celebrities?

[3:29] Andrew Dodge: Absolutely not.

[3:30] Allison Dodge: A lot.

[3:31] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[3:31] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[3:32] Andrew Dodge: Um the Gleek of the Week Instagram that I co co-host with you.

[3:39] Allison Dodge: I don't know.

[3:40] Andrew Dodge: Co-managed.

[3:40] Allison Dodge: Co-managed.

[3:41] Andrew Dodge: Okay.

[3:42] Allison Dodge: Um is the extent of my PR marketing capabilities?

[3:45] Andrew Dodge: But I don't give a fuck.

[3:47] Allison Dodge: Here's what Darren should do.

[3:48] Andrew Dodge: So I think what Darren is doing right now is he's really relying.

[3:52] Allison Dodge: Like when they introduce Darren, it's Emmy and Globe Golden Globe Award winning Darren Criss.

[3:58] Andrew Dodge: How long ago did he win those awards?

[4:01] Allison Dodge: Stop it.

[4:01] Andrew Dodge: Stop it.

[4:02] Allison Dodge: Don't do that.

[4:03] Andrew Dodge: Don't don't do that.

[4:04] Allison Dodge: You have an Oscar.

[4:05] Andrew Dodge: You have a Golden Globe.

[4:06] Allison Dodge: You have an Emmy.

[4:07] Andrew Dodge: You have that for life.

[4:09] Allison Dodge: Stop.

[4:10] Andrew Dodge: No, I know, I know.

[4:12] Allison Dodge: And the accolade that accolade in itself is worthy.

[4:16] Andrew Dodge: However, those are the projects people know him from.

[4:21] Allison Dodge: And so much time has passed that people are like, what the fuck are who are you, even you?

[4:27] Andrew Dodge: No.

[4:28] Allison Dodge: Okay, you're not starting off strong.

[4:30] Andrew Dodge: And that's your problem.

[4:33] Allison Dodge: Um and I hate it.

[4:37] Andrew Dodge: I I'm not with you on this uh opinion.

[4:40] Allison Dodge: Um I think Darren Criss, like to the average American that has watched Glee in the past, he's irrelevant.

[4:50] Andrew Dodge: Okay.

[4:50] Allison Dodge: So our Gleek of the Week this week is.

[4:53] Andrew Dodge: Jack is agreeing with me.

[4:55] Allison Dodge: With me.

[4:56] Andrew Dodge: Um, he has requested to be introduced after this conversation's done.

[5:01] Allison Dodge: But he's like making himself very like vocal without being vocal, like nodding along, which is not great for an audio format.

[5:09] Andrew Dodge: Um, so I don't Jack, would you like to be introduced now?

[5:14] Jack Winans: Okay.

[5:15] Andrew Dodge: Our Gleek of the Week is a friend and a watcher of Glee.

[5:20] Allison Dodge: Uh, and someone that has opinions about what Alison's saying right now.

[5:25] Andrew Dodge: Um, Jack Winans, um, what are you thinking about what Alison's saying?

[5:30] Jack Winans: What the hell did Darren Criss win an Emmy or a Golden Globe?

[5:35] Allison Dodge: Stop!

[5:35] Jack Winans: Okay, coming in a five for Glee?

[5:37] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[5:38] Jack Winans: For Glee and for Andrew Kunanin in Gianni.

[5:41] Allison Dodge: Oh, oh, oh, okay, okay.

[5:42] Jack Winans: Wait, so did he win as like ensemble cast as part of Glee or I think he won as best supporting actor.

[5:49] Allison Dodge: That first of all, that's crazy.

[5:51] Jack Winans: Puppet, stop it.

[5:52] Allison Dodge: Stop.

[5:53] Jack Winans: You guys are just like spreading false information.

[5:55] Allison Dodge: I hate this discourse.

[5:57] Jack Winans: I'm like, I feel awful for even bringing Jack in.

[6:00] Allison Dodge: Because Jack came in with like a really crazy opinion about like.

[6:04] Jack Winans: I will say, I will say he did amazing as Andrew Kananin in Versace.

[6:09] Allison Dodge: I love Versace.

[6:12] Jack Winans: So did he win both for that?

[6:13] Allison Dodge: I'm not saying he won an advanced.

[6:16] Jack Winans: The concept that he could have won for Glee was crazy.

[6:18] Allison Dodge: No, he did not win for Glee.

[6:19] Jack Winans: Okay, okay.

[6:21] Allison Dodge: I'm not saying those accolades are unearned.

[6:23] Jack Winans: He was incredible.

[6:25] Allison Dodge: He was great.

[6:26] Jack Winans: The emphasis on the was, he needs to do something new.

[6:26] Allison Dodge: He needs to do something new and he get needs to become a household name again.

[6:34] Jack Winans: Because I think he's reaching.

[6:35] Allison Dodge: I think he's relying too much on people knowing him from his past projects that they're like, okay, what's new?

[6:44] Jack Winans: No.

[6:45] Allison Dodge: I think he's at a I think he's at a great disadvantage.

[6:47] Jack Winans: Because if you remember, a couple years or months ago, I don't even remember, didn't he make some press release that he wasn't gonna like play gay people anymore after he's already won the awards?

[6:57] Allison Dodge: After he's won the awards.

[6:57] Jack Winans: But I think that's really hurting his career because he's really good at playing gay people.

[7:02] Allison Dodge: And so there you go.

[7:05] Jack Winans: I mean, he's good at playing toxic gay people.

[7:08] Allison Dodge: Um, Andrew Kananin and Blaine Andrews.

[7:10] Jack Winans: And Blaine Anderson.

[7:11] Allison Dodge: Famously two serial killers.

[7:13] Jack Winans: Famously.

[7:16] Allison Dodge: No, I'm not saying he's I'm not saying he's bad in any way.

[7:19] Jack Winans: I'm saying he needs something new, and I have that something new for him.

[7:24] Allison Dodge: Okay, go ahead.

[7:25] Jack Winans: Um, so I think I think Darren and Jordan Fisher are kind of, I group them together in my mind.

[7:35] Allison Dodge: I think they both with you on that.

[7:37] Jack Winans: They both have this kind of cute younger man quality, and they have a lot of Disney attachments.

[7:46] Allison Dodge: Um, they've done Broadway, they've done TV, they've done Netflix.

[7:51] Jack Winans: Uh I who to all the boys I've loved before, both Jordan Fisher and Darren Criss were in those famously.

[7:57] Allison Dodge: Okay.

[7:58] Jack Winans: Darren Criss was not in that.

[7:59] Allison Dodge: But um, I think they're both.

[8:01] Jack Winans: No, sorry.

[8:02] Allison Dodge: I was like, uh no, neither of us are gonna fact check you on that.

[8:05] Jack Winans: I haven't seen it.

[8:06] Allison Dodge: Noah Centineo.

[8:07] Jack Winans: It was a Noah Centineo thing.

[8:09] Allison Dodge: Um he and Jordan Fisher, I think they're both vying for what Ben Platt has.

[8:15] Jack Winans: And what Ben Platt has is people know him, but people know him from a bunch of different things.

[8:21] Allison Dodge: There are people that love him because he was in Dear Evan Hansen, there are people that love him because he was in Pitch Perfect, there are people that love him for the vice president's student council show he was in.

[8:32] Jack Winans: Uh the politician.

[8:33] Allison Dodge: Yeah, politician.

[8:34] Jack Winans: Well, but here's the thing Ben what Ben Platt also has is a father who's like a huge producer and director.

[8:41] Allison Dodge: That's also true.

[8:42] Jack Winans: Darren Criss just has like a BFA from University of Michigan.

[8:47] Allison Dodge: Mother and Father.

[8:50] Jack Winans: But I think they both want, and I think what Ben Platt has, he wants what Andrew Rannells has.

[8:58] Allison Dodge: Okay, okay.

[8:59] Jack Winans: Wow, here we go.

[9:00] Allison Dodge: Just like you're going to be the truth.

[9:02] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[9:03] Allison Dodge: With the strings all over the board.

[9:05] Jack Winans: And then Andrew Rannells has something, but he wants what like Matthew Broderick, Nathan Lane had, and they can do Broadway.

[9:15] Allison Dodge: E got.

[9:16] Jack Winans: Egot up the ass.

[9:18] Allison Dodge: E up the ass, yeah.

[9:20] Jack Winans: They can do anything and they're great at it all and they're known for it all.

[9:25] Allison Dodge: Uh-huh.

[9:25] Jack Winans: They're not just known as a pillar within this different sector.

[9:30] Allison Dodge: Um, where does that leave Darren Criss?

[9:33] Jack Winans: I need to know.

[9:35] Allison Dodge: So Darren Criss, I think what he needs to do to become.

[9:40] Jack Winans: I have another name on that list, but I'm not gonna say it.

[9:42] Allison Dodge: Like what Hugh Jackman has.

[9:44] Jack Winans: Hugh Jackman can do Broadway.

[9:46] Allison Dodge: Is Hugh Jackman the other name?

[9:47] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[9:48] Allison Dodge: Hugh Jackman can do the Wolverine.

[9:50] Jack Winans: Hugh Jackman can do it all and be great at it all.

[9:53] Allison Dodge: Um Darren, what Darren needs to do, I think he needs to start back on Broadway.

[10:01] Jack Winans: He was going to do the American Buffalo play before COVID happened, which I think was going to be a very good opportunity for him to show the dramatic side of him and the acting chops he has.

[10:15] Allison Dodge: But I think what he needs is to originate a role in a musical.

[10:23] Jack Winans: Okay.

[10:23] Allison Dodge: And I think this musical either has to be a revival of something that's already had wild success, or it needs to be a new musical about somebody's life, or based on a movie.

[10:36] Jack Winans: It can't be a completely new, completely new storyline.

[10:40] Allison Dodge: It has to be something that the average lay person that doesn't give a fuck about Broadway.

[10:45] Jack Winans: Okay.

[10:46] Allison Dodge: Would and be interested in and go see in New York City.

[10:51] Jack Winans: I think I have a suggestion.

[10:52] Allison Dodge: Oh my god.

[10:53] Jack Winans: Okay.

[10:54] Allison Dodge: I mean, bring it to Broadway, baby.

[10:56] Jack Winans: A very potter musical.

[10:58] Allison Dodge: Please.

[10:59] Jack Winans: Like, please, God.

[11:01] Allison Dodge: Are we ready?

[11:02] Jack Winans: Wait, I mean, I'm not as familiar as the both of you with Very Potter Musical, but it's never been on Broadway.

[11:07] Allison Dodge: It's never been off Broadway.

[11:09] Jack Winans: Where was it even?

[11:10] Allison Dodge: University of Michigan.

[11:11] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[11:12] Allison Dodge: That was just it.

[11:13] Jack Winans: Just University of Michigan.

[11:14] Allison Dodge: They uh there was that one, there was a Very Potter sequel, and then there was a Very Potter senior year, and a Very Potter senior year was at LeakyCon, a Harry Potter conference.

[11:23] Jack Winans: Leaky Con, I hate whatever that is.

[11:25] Allison Dodge: I know, I I know exactly what you're talking about, Alison.

[11:28] Jack Winans: You know, you know.

[11:30] Allison Dodge: But I think something that is gonna get people to see him and care about him and be like, oh my god, that was the guy from Glee.

[11:39] Jack Winans: Like, I totally know him from Glee, and now I'm gonna see him in this new thing that I'm already excited about.

[11:44] Allison Dodge: Um, then I also think he needs to be in a movie that's going to be nominated for an Oscar.

[11:52] Jack Winans: It doesn't need to be not doesn't need to win an Oscar.

[11:55] Allison Dodge: It has to be not been in an Oscar nominated film yet.

[11:58] Jack Winans: I don't think so.

[11:59] Allison Dodge: Girl most likely?

[12:00] Jack Winans: Girl most likely.

[12:02] Allison Dodge: Oh, okay.

[12:03] Jack Winans: I have a fun girl most likely tidbit.

[12:05] Allison Dodge: As you know, it was takes place in Ocean City, right?

[12:07] Jack Winans: Oh, yes, yes, yes.

[12:08] Allison Dodge: And there's a famous scene in Girl Most Likely where Darren Criss's character is in Ocean City, which is in New Jersey, where you are not allowed to pump your own gas, and he pumps his own gas in the scene in Ocean City.

[12:21] Jack Winans: And it's totally takes you out of the movie because it's so not believable.

[12:26] Allison Dodge: Yeah, you God.

[12:27] Jack Winans: Kristen Wig screwed the pooch on that one.

[12:30] Allison Dodge: Screwed the pooch.

[12:32] Jack Winans: Um I think he needs to be in something that's going to get a lot of Oscar Buzz and a lot of Oscar Clout.

[12:41] Allison Dodge: Um to get talked about.

[12:43] Jack Winans: That unfortunately is not girl most likely.

[12:45] Allison Dodge: If anything, it's less likely.

[12:47] Jack Winans: It's less likely to be girl most likely.

[12:49] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[12:50] Jack Winans: And then I think for both of these things that he's doing, I think he needs to host SNL.

[12:57] Allison Dodge: I think he would be a very, very good Saturday Night Live host.

[13:00] Jack Winans: I think it'd be hilarious.

[13:02] Allison Dodge: He could sing a little monologue song.

[13:03] Jack Winans: It'd be cute.

[13:04] Allison Dodge: I feel like your next bullet point is like here's why Darren Criss would be a really great president of the United States of America.

[13:13] Jack Winans: Yes.

[13:14] Allison Dodge: Like, I feel like you're just like going down a path that is getting crazier and crazier.

[13:18] Jack Winans: Um but it's good.

[13:19] Allison Dodge: I think.

[13:20] Jack Winans: I think he wants these things too.

[13:22] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[13:23] Jack Winans: He needs to do it.

[13:24] Allison Dodge: I think he definitely has the littlest bit of the city.

[13:27] Jack Winans: Wait, are you talking?

[13:27] Allison Dodge: Are you still talking about the presidency?

[13:29] Jack Winans: No.

[13:31] Jack Winans: 2024, baby.

[13:32] Andrew Dodge: 2024.

[13:34] Jack Winans: Chris Kulfer.

[13:35] Andrew Dodge: Chris Kulfer.

[13:36] Jack Winans: Chris Kulfer, that's the ticket.

[13:38] Andrew Dodge: Chris Kulfer.

[13:39] Jack Winans: That's the ticket.

[13:41] Andrew Dodge: But Chris Kulfer.

[13:43] Jack Winans: But that's the hill I want to die on. I think there's a bunch of like side things he should do. I think he should be doing interviews for be the interviewer when it comes to the Harry Potter 20th anniversary next January. Um, I think he and Daniel Radcliffe already have a rapport, so he should definitely be doing something there. Have Daniel Radcliffe on your Haim podcast, Darren. These are all things that I'm sure he would love to be doing. It's like I don't know what sort of world you're living in, but I feel like you're living in this world where it's like Daniel Radcliffe is like, please talk to me, Darren. And then he Darren Chris is like, fuck off. I don't know what are you talking about.

[14:27] Andrew Dodge: I mean, that seems believable to me.

[14:29] Jack Winans: Do you think so? That Daniel Radcliffe is like, please God, Darren.

[14:32] Andrew Dodge: I think it's the other way around.

[14:35] Jack Winans: Yeah. No, I think I think a good PR person would be able to make this happen for their uh not what their person.

[14:36] Andrew Dodge: Sure.

[14:36] Jack Winans: I think a good PR person would go the extra mile and make sure this happens. Darren is about to have a baby. He's going to be very busy. I mean, he's been busy because the baby is a product of it.

[15:01] Andrew Dodge: Who's who is the mother, if I may ask? Or is it a big one?

[15:03] Jack Winans: Uh his wife.

[15:04] Andrew Dodge: Not a traditional family.

[15:06] Jack Winans: His wife.

[15:07] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[15:09] Jack Winans: Do we know her?

[15:10] Andrew Dodge: No.

[15:11] Jack Winans: Okay.

[15:12] Andrew Dodge: Not in the public eye.

[15:14] Jack Winans: Okay. Do and they hate her, which is so awful.

[15:14] Andrew Dodge: So awful.

[15:18] Jack Winans: I hate it. No, we love Darren's family. That's just what he needs to do. I think he can easily get the e-got in the next 50 years.

[15:27] Andrew Dodge: Oh, okay. You're opening okay. A large case. Darren, hire me as your PR manager. I will make this happen. I will use the three connections that I have. And two of them are in this Zoom call.

[15:39] Jack Winans: Um I mean, like, if you want me to help, I can like even like package this MP3 for you and be like, this is a great sort of like resume builder. It's like, hey, I already have ideas. I've said it publicly, actually. So well, because there's a there's a person on TikTok that does this. That's like, if I was Tana Mojo's PR manager, here's what I would do. If I was Emma Chamberlain's PR manager, here's what I would do. I I like I don't know. I'm coming from a completely different perspective because I feel like if I were these people's PR manager and I was listening to you talk about this, I'd be like, yeah, I know. I would love to be doing these things for my client. Like it's not a few. Well, that needs to happen. Do it anyway.

[16:21] Andrew Dodge: Right. Okay. Um anyway, are there any I'm that was really great. I'm I'm I'm really proud of you. That was really that was good. That was great.

[16:32] Jack Winans: I'm on your side too. I think you'd be doing way better.

[16:34] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[16:35] Jack Winans: Yeah. I think I think he can do better. I think uh why the fuck is he going on Kelly Clarkson?

[16:41] Andrew Dodge: I don't know.

[16:42] Jack Winans: Oh, a lot of people watch Kelly Clarkson.

[16:44] Andrew Dodge: I do.

[16:45] Jack Winans: I don't do that.

[16:46] Andrew Dodge: I don't either, but I I think a lot of people watch it.

[16:48] Jack Winans: I do.

[16:50] Andrew Dodge: I'll say it again.

[16:51] Jack Winans: We know you do.

[16:51] Andrew Dodge: I mean they're not. We know you do, Andrew. They're not watching Oprah. It's over. They're not watching the Tyrra show. What else do they watch? If they're not watching Oprah, then we're watching Kelly.

[16:59] Jack Winans: Wait, is it this is not blear related. Is it true that the Wendy Williams show is being taken over by Trisha Paytas? Or was it?

[17:05] Andrew Dodge: Tisha Petis is not taking over the world. That would be psychotic. I didn't hear that.

[17:09] Jack Winans: No, no, she's not. So it like, okay, so this is not content. But um Leah Remini and Miss Elvisha's fact. I don't know. There, they were like co-hosting the first week that Wendy Williams um wasn't there. People hated that. Sherry Shepard took over, people loved it even more than Wendy. Ratings went up more than Wendy has ever gotten. And so people want Sherry to take over for Wendy.

[17:39] Andrew Dodge: Not Trisha.

[17:41] Jack Winans: Not Trisha. No. But Wendy's a staple of daytime TV. They can't just be able to do that. I mean, like, Sherry's done daytime TV.

[17:49] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[17:49] Jack Winans: We're keeping this in. Um.

[17:54] Andrew Dodge: Anyways.

[17:56] Jack Winans: Okay. Jack, how are you?

[17:59] Jack Winans: I'm good. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

[18:04] Andrew Dodge: You are the Gleek of the Week. And um we uh had a conversation earlier that I halted because you sort of wanted to go down a path that I was not aware of that you have a connection with Glee that I was not aware of.

[18:16] Jack Winans: Well, it's barely a connection at all. It's very tenuous. Um, but you know, Glee has, you know, as us all, a huge part of my life, part of my upbringing. You know, not Andrews. Not mine. Nearly touched every moment of my life from birth until now. Um, one of which uh is that Heather Morris um grew up in the same town that I was born in and lived until I was four. Um, but I have, you know, a bunch of older sisters, and one of my older sisters is the same age as Heather Morris, and they would have been in the same class in high school, um, but my family moved away before then. And so that is a tenuous connection that my oldest sister and Heather Morris would have been in the same place. Well, it would have been if we had not moved to New Jersey.

[19:07] Andrew Dodge: Do you think that they would have been friends?

[19:08] Jack Winans: Yeah. Well, yeah, because my sister is like crazy musical theater, like, you know, I was like, and I'm sure Heather Morris probably was too if she ended up on Glee. Right now. Yeah. Some sort of actor. Or so they maybe would have been enemies. I don't know. Who knows? Um, either way, they would have had a good, like a quality voice. Or yeah. Yeah. They would have had rapport for sure.

[19:27] Andrew Dodge: Wait. Um can I ask a new jersey question?

[19:31] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[19:32] Andrew Dodge: Is it true that you can't pump your own gas?

[19:35] Jack Winans: It's literally true. And that's how it should be everywhere. Andrew, have you ever pumped gas in your life?

[19:41] Andrew Dodge: I remember my dad tried to make me do it one time that we went to Pennsylvania, and I was like, literally, like, you're not going to make me do this. And I think I like I was like on the verge of tears. I was like, please don't make me do this.

[19:51] Jack Winans: I think it's like the most New Jersey thing that I've ever done. Yeah, the first time I ever had to pump my own gas, I was in um I was like on a trip with my college friends, and we were in Virginia, like somewhere driving, and my friend was like, Oh, like I'm gonna go into the convenience store and like, you know, get these snacks or whatever. Can you like, you know, do the gas? But we were in his car, and I was literally standing there and like having a panic attack because I had no idea what button to push.

[20:17] Andrew Dodge: No, yeah. Like, yeah like you know what's crazy to me is like gas station TikTok to me. Like gas station TikTok, when they show up at the gas station and they're pumping their own gas, I'm like, like, can you relate to this? Like, I'm like, no, I can't. Like, I don't know what you're doing.

[20:30] Jack Winans: Well, now I can because now I'm a New Yorker, but wait, but you don't wait. I have a car.

[20:35] Andrew Dodge: No, you don't.

[20:36] Jack Winans: I park it on the street every day. I'm part of alternate side parking culture in New York. I don't know if you're fucking with me.

[20:41] Andrew Dodge: I am not fucking with you. I have a Honda CRV. You can find it parked in the streets of East Williamsburg right now if you go look.

[20:47] Jack Winans: That is well, I guess like every time that I visit you, I guess like your your streets are fairly empty, so that's good parking.

[20:53] Andrew Dodge: Yeah. Huh, that's so interesting. Crazy.

[20:56] Jack Winans: Allison?

[20:57] Andrew Dodge: Anyway, that's about New York City alternate side parking culture. Keeping this in.

[21:05] Jack Winans: Um, I the streets in Andrew's neighborhood terrify me. If I ever drove down any of them. Like the streets of Minneapolis are bad on their own. Like Uptown terrifies me. Um, if I had to drive in New York City, I would simply perish. You know, like it's crazy because I I spent a considerable money uh amount of money in the effort to protect this podcast because parking outside. This is so off topic of glee. Glee fans that also like Venn diagram parking. Um, glee fans who are people will be interested in the human interest. We all park. Are there any glieks out there that are also people?

[21:45] Jack Winans: Um okay, so outside of my outside of my window, I live on the street side. Big difference. If you live in the back of the building, you don't hear this. But if if you live on the street side, you hear the commotion of the street, obviously. And um, it is one lane of traffic, and there are two parking on the on the left and right side. And if you're double parked, um, then no one can get through. And um, so I needed to invest in uh city quiet windows to completely cancel out um any noise that would potentially come in. Because I remember my first week here, I was like, this is simply undoable.

[22:24] Andrew Dodge: That's crazy.

[22:27] Jack Winans: This was no, this is too off base. I think that we are actually.

[22:31] Andrew Dodge: No, we need to keep this in. Keep this all in.

[22:33] Jack Winans: I think there are people that care about the par where we park. I, for one, park in the garage.

[22:39] Andrew Dodge: No, because I think that people are gonna listen to this and they're gonna be like, wow, Andrew spent a lot of money, like he lives in New York, he know what he signed up for. Um and I think they'll hear, oh, Jack parks on the street in New York City every day. He's really cool and knows how to parallel parks. I think that's that's the that's the takeaway. Apple podcast reviews, you know what to write.

[22:58] Jack Winans: Um anyway, uh Jack, do you have any thoughts about glee?

[23:04] Jack Winans: Yeah, I mean, glee, glee, glee. Where do we start? I mean, I I do want to start with a little um anecdote, which so glee was a huge part of my life in like middle school and early high school, and like it was a whole family affair. Like my parents were obsessed with glee, my sisters watched glee every Tuesday night. We'd turn it on Fox, and it would be Glee. Um that's crazy to me.

[23:28] Andrew Dodge: So crazy.

[23:29] Jack Winans: And it's gonna get a one step crazier. That one year at Christmas, as like a joke. Um my like we got, I don't know where. I think they like bought at a store. Like, you know, when you're in like the grocery store at the aisle and there's a magazines there, there was a magazine there that was like all glee themed, I guess, like all glee stories and glee pictures. Um, I think it was my dad, or maybe it was one of my sisters, or maybe they like worked together. But they got one of these magazines that was all pictures of people from Glee and scenes from Glee, interviews with the actors, you know, interviews with you know, Brad Falchuk or whoever. Yes. Um, and they cut out all the pictures of the Glee characters and replaced all the photo frames um in all of the photos in our like living room and kitchen with characters from Glee.

[24:15] Andrew Dodge: Oh my good god, dream household.

[24:17] Jack Winans: And not only was this just like a one day prank, it stayed that way for years.

[24:22] Andrew Dodge: It's that right now.

[24:23] Jack Winans: Well, famously my house burnt down, Andrew.

[24:26] Andrew Dodge: Oh, that's right.

[24:27] Jack Winans: Oh, because you put this hex on it because the glee curse comes for us all as it comes for many.

[24:34] Andrew Dodge: Wow.

[24:35] Jack Winans: Oh my god. Wow. Wait, so the the uh burning of the house was not glee related, or was it?

[24:42] Andrew Dodge: It was not glee related, but you have to think a family that tempts God in that way. Framed photos. Framed photos of Sue Sylvester next to, you know.

[24:54] Jack Winans: Grandma.

[24:55] Andrew Dodge: Yeah. No, grandma's gone. Grandma is completely. It's like it's literally Sue Sylvester next to like Santana and Britney. Like, it's that's it. Like wait, so like if someone like came into your house like and they didn't know anything about your family, they would fully think that like this woman in a track suit is like an aunt or something.

[25:14] Jack Winans: Absolutely. Yeah.

[25:15] Andrew Dodge: I love that.

[25:18] Jack Winans: I love Auntie Sue.

[25:20] Andrew Dodge: So good.

[25:25] Jack Winans: And in terms of the the songs, yeah. What are some standout for you? What are we projecting to see?

[25:33] Jack Winans: So I I like a broad swath of glee of out of my glee performances. You're saying so many words that are like impressive to me. So it's a smart one syllable.

[25:41] Andrew Dodge: Swath is a one-syllable word, Andrew.

[25:43] Jack Winans: No, wait, wait, I don't even broad swath.

[25:47] Andrew Dodge: Yeah, what is swath though?

[25:51] Jack Winans: I don't know. Actually, maybe I'm using the word incorrectly. Um, but you said it so confidently that I knew what you were saying.

[25:56] Andrew Dodge: Anyways.

[25:57] Jack Winans: Yeah, thank you, Allison. Um, so yeah, I like a broad sample of often. Don't do that. Genres, uh, etc. Out of my glee, out of my glee performances. So I like some other crazier ones. This one's a little sentimental, but I love love love because I love Santana and Brittany. They're the heart and soul of the show. Nothing's better than them. And I I am a huge Paltrow head. Um, I love when Gwyneth and Santana and Brittany sing Landslide. Yeah. One of my favorite, favorite, favorite of the whole show. So I'm hoping we get that one. I was just, I just found out that one of my other favorite ones has already been pulled, which is Lauren's um I Know What Boys Like.

[26:44] Andrew Dodge: Yep.

[26:45] Jack Winans: Going through. Going through to the next round.

[26:47] Andrew Dodge: Yes.

[26:48] Jack Winans: Yeah, as it should. One of my faves. Um, yeah, and then I like all the, you know, all this, you know, silly Broadway ones. I'm into all that stuff.

[26:51] Andrew Dodge: Silly Broadway.

[26:59] Jack Winans: So we're projecting Silly Broadway and Landslide.

[27:02] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[27:03] Allison Dodge: And any Britannia?

[27:04] Jack Winans: We'll take any Britannia.

[27:05] Allison Dodge: Any Ritanna.

[27:06] Andrew Dodge: I know this is the Christmas episode.

[27:08] Jack Winans: Merry Christmas Gleeks.

[27:09] Allison Dodge: Happy Happy Winter Solstice Gleeks.

[27:12] Andrew Dodge: I'm not gleeks.

[27:14] Jack Winans: I'm not a big fan of the Christmas songs, but we'll see.

[27:19] Allison Dodge: But like, I mean, we're in the Christmas spirit. Um we're trying, we're trying.

[27:23] Andrew Dodge: If you had to choose one Christmas standout, I we all need to do this.

[27:23] Jack Winans: Okay.

[27:23] Andrew Dodge: We all need to do this. I have mine.

[27:28] Jack Winans: Go around the table.

[27:29] Allison Dodge: And say our favorite.

[27:31] Jack Winans: Holly Christmas.

[27:32] Andrew Dodge: No, if I could pick one.

[27:34] Jack Winans: You can pick one.

[27:36] Andrew Dodge: Okay. You have one?

[27:38] Jack Winans: Do they ever do the they do the chipmunk song, right?

[27:40] Allison Dodge: They do it.

[27:41] Jack Winans: That's my favorite.

[27:42] Andrew Dodge: That's your favorite.

[27:43] Jack Winans: That's sick.

[27:43] Allison Dodge: That's sick. Get out.

[27:45] Andrew Dodge: Wrong.

[27:46] Allison Dodge: Um Allison, do you have a correct answer for us?

[27:50] Allison Dodge: Um Extraordinary Merry Christmas, baby.

[27:53] Jack Winans: Oh god, another wrong answer.

[27:56] Allison Dodge: Okay. I don't like that one.

[27:58] Jack Winans: Gleeks, do we like that that song?

[28:01] Andrew Dodge: Yes, we do. I'm answering for them.

[28:04] Jack Winans: I don't. I mean, maybe we'll pull it in this episode.

[28:07] Andrew Dodge: Well, I mean, we will inevitably pull that song.

[28:09] Jack Winans: We will. But uh, yeah, no, I mean, I have a boring answer. I mean, obviously, Santa Baby, Santana.

[28:18] Allison Dodge: Yeah. Amazing.

[28:19] Jack Winans: Not part of the Glackett, though.

[28:21] Andrew Dodge: Not part of the Glackett. Um, if I needed to choose one part of the glacket.

[28:25] Jack Winans: Have yourself a merry little Christmas.

[28:28] Andrew Dodge: Does something for me. I like that song.

[28:30] Jack Winans: It's cute. I actually will say it's like the entire casting.

[28:35] Andrew Dodge: It's like Britney. Everybody sings it.

[28:37] Jack Winans: I'm not gonna lie, I don't remember them singing that song in Glee.

[28:41] Andrew Dodge: But if I knew they sung that I would have picked it because that's actually my favorite Christmas song of all time.

[28:46] Jack Winans: Okay. I'm paying Jack for every single opinion that he says.

[28:51] Andrew Dodge: Every single correct opinion that he has, that's another $15.

[28:55] Jack Winans: All right. Okay. Silly, silly Broadway, baby.

[29:02] Andrew Dodge: Silly silly Broadway?

[29:03] Jack Winans: Hell yeah. Silly, silly Broadway.

[29:06] Andrew Dodge: Very topical, very season one.

[29:10] Jack Winans: Um relevant.

[29:13] Andrew Dodge: Relevant. Here we go. Funny girl, E flat.

[29:17] Jack Winans: Exactly what I would have done.

[29:19] Andrew Dodge: Barbara. I could do it in my sleep.

[29:33] Jack Winans: Did you hear that?

[29:36] Andrew Dodge: Funny.

[29:41] Jack Winans: Yeah. The guy said honey.

[29:47] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[29:49] Jack Winans: Funny gh.

[29:55] Andrew Dodge: That's me. I just keep there in stitches double and maybe for the guy.

[30:17] Jack Winans: I'm good for a laugh.

[30:20] Andrew Dodge: I guess it's love funny.

[30:26] Jack Winans: Life is far from sunny.

[30:33] Andrew Dodge: When the laugh is over and the jokes are you a girl what I have a sense of humor that's one thing you really need for sure.

[31:09] Jack Winans: The fella said a funny girl funny how it so funny funny.

[31:43] Andrew Dodge: Miss Corcran.

[31:51] Jack Winans: I'm Rachel Barry.

[31:55] Andrew Dodge: I'm your daughter.

[32:00] Jack Winans: Okay. Okay. Okay, wait, that was a crazy ending.

[32:03] Allison Dodge: I forgot that's how that song ended.

[32:05] Jack Winans: Yeah. Okay. First of all, funny girl, Adina Menzel, Shelby.

[32:09] Andrew Dodge: Yeah. Um, Jack. What are we thinking?

[32:11] Jack Winans: Oh, okay. Well, I love it. I mean, I mean, okay. I like when they get actual singers on the show to sing actual songs, you know.

[32:22] Andrew Dodge: Oh, okay. Heather Morris, like, you grew up in your hometown and you're like turning your back on her. Sorry, you know?

[32:29] Jack Winans: But I do. I love it. And no, I think she did a I mean, I think I love this.

[32:34] Andrew Dodge: And the ending is hilarious.

[32:36] Jack Winans: The ending is. It's like the Dr. Seuss book, Are You My Mama?

[32:40] Andrew Dodge: No, like literally, like in my head, I was like thinking the entire time. I feel like within like 15 miles, if Rachel hears someone sing funny girl, she will.

[32:48] Jack Winans: She will say, like, yeah, I'm your daughter. She'll go up to just anybody.

[32:54] Andrew Dodge: Yeah, this song was like a lot more uncomfortable than I remember it being. I just can't imagine, like, I don't know.

[33:02] Jack Winans: It's even more so uncomfortable than like Mr. Schuster, like, because the context of this song is um Shelby gets up in front of uh vocal adrenalines, like, hey, like this is how you really do Lady Gaga and sings funny girl.

[33:18] Andrew Dodge: Um, and it doesn't make any sense. This is That doesn't make sense. I didn't know that was the context.

[33:24] Jack Winans: Yeah, it's like it's crazy, and then, like, also like the I'm your daughter thing, it's like very complicated. I did not like this as like a little like lesson.

[33:34] Andrew Dodge: I don't know. I mean, obviously love it. Is she trying to do like the theatricality of it all?

[33:40] Jack Winans: Theatricality is.

[33:41] Andrew Dodge: Right, that's the title of the episode.

[33:43] Jack Winans: The title of that, yes.

[33:44] Andrew Dodge: Yeah. And uh the Glee Project Challenge.

[33:50] Jack Winans: Which Adina Menzel for the theatricality, she was the guest mentor.

[33:55] Andrew Dodge: That is true. That is true.

[33:57] Jack Winans: Yeah, I know I agree. This is it's weird. I forgot that they sang this.

[34:01] Andrew Dodge: I knew that they did, but I like forgot what the context was.

[34:04] Jack Winans: Yeah. Um, until I saw Shelby up there. Um, it's fine.

[34:09] Andrew Dodge: Yeah, I didn't remember the context, honestly. But I mean, I liked the performance. I don't know.

[34:14] Jack Winans: That was not bad. It was fine. I mean, like, it's a Dino. You can you can't get past that ending.

[34:21] Andrew Dodge: That surprise ending. I mean, that is hilarious. Come on, you guys.

[34:27] Jack Winans: Um, I, you know, obviously Adim Menzel, love her voice. This is her one solo in the series.

[34:34] Andrew Dodge: Um Savage, okay. The character of Shelby, messy girl.

[34:39] Jack Winans: She is so messy.

[34:41] Andrew Dodge: Beyond messy, because this same episode, she's like, Rachel, no, no, no, no. I don't want to be your mom.

[34:46] Jack Winans: And then she's like, oh, but I want to be Beth's mom, but Quinn shape up girlfriend, and then I'm gonna date Quinn.

[34:56] Andrew Dodge: Well, she didn't want to be Rachel's mom. That's why she gave her up. She didn't ask Rachel to come find her.

[35:01] Jack Winans: No, no, no, no. Hey, you're a Shelby apologist.

[35:04] Andrew Dodge: She did. She did because she hired Jesse.

[35:06] Jack Winans: She hired Jesse to implant these ideas and scatter, scatter these little ideas of Rachel wanting to find her mom.

[35:15] Andrew Dodge: And then so it was Shelby's idea in the first place that she reached out to Rachel.

[35:19] Jack Winans: Uh-huh. Yeah, but if you're from Shelby's point of view, you gotta win, you know? You gotta win by any means necessary if you gotta sabotage.

[35:26] Andrew Dodge: I'm going to sabotage my biological daughter in order to win a glee club competition.

[35:33] Jack Winans: For what? For what? To bluff with my muffin?

[35:34] Andrew Dodge: No. No. Uh uh. The fact that this is considered how you would do a Lady Gaga song is not okay.

[35:45] Jack Winans: The only thing theatrical about that song is when she goes.

[35:50] Andrew Dodge: Oh.

[35:51] Jack Winans: Oh.

[35:52] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[35:53] Jack Winans: Like what? She does a small foot pop at one point.

[35:55] Andrew Dodge: And listen, all of us combined, we know a lot about musical theater.

[36:00] Jack Winans: We do.

[36:01] Andrew Dodge: Um we do know a lot. We're professionals having nothing to do with the field.

[36:06] Jack Winans: Catch us in the um very potter musical on Broadway.

[36:10] Andrew Dodge: Streaming now.

[36:12] Jack Winans: Um on Peacock.

[36:14] Andrew Dodge: On Peacock. I think this will be a difficult competition.

[36:19] Jack Winans: I have a season four song.

[36:22] Andrew Dodge: Um I think this will be a fun competition, actually.

[36:27] Jack Winans: Okay.

[36:28] Andrew Dodge: And you guys are gonna like see it.

[36:30] Jack Winans: Yeah, this is after I stopped watching.

[36:31] Andrew Dodge: Oh no, no, season. Here we go.

[36:34] Jack Winans: Okay. Just a little bit of just a little bit of I was like, good gracious ass fodacious.

[36:45] Andrew Dodge: Trying to show patience, waiting for the right time, shoot must be no.

[36:49] Jack Winans: Looking for the right tongue of fashion teas and up.

[36:51] Andrew Dodge: I'm leaving. Please believe in the rest of my heaters.

[36:55] Jack Winans: Checking out a lack at the top of the four seasons.

[36:57] Andrew Dodge: Penthouse roof top birds I've feeding.

[37:00] Jack Winans: Years go by, I'm looking through a girly magazine.

[37:04] Andrew Dodge: And there's my home room angel on the pages in between.

[37:09] Jack Winans: It's getting hot and killed. So take off all your clothes.

[37:13] Andrew Dodge: Angel is the center of all centerful.

[37:18] Jack Winans: It's getting hot and killed. So take off all your clothes.

[37:22] ♪ Musical number: "Hot in Herre" — performed by Glee Cast ♪

[38:11] Andrew Dodge: That was a fun performance!

[38:15] Andrew Dodge: It's been hot and cure. So take off all your clothes.

[38:24] Jack Winans: It's getting hot and cute.

[38:28] Andrew Dodge: It's like two different shows.

[38:29] Jack Winans: Funny girls and then this.

[38:32] Andrew Dodge: Two different series.

[38:34] Jack Winans: I mean, that's what makes Glee great.

[38:36] Andrew Dodge: That's true. Um, who wants to lead us in discussion on that one?

[38:40] Jack Winans: I love this song. I this is like a dirty guilty pleasure for me.

[38:46] Andrew Dodge: I really. The original in the Glee Cast version. This Glee cast mashup.

[38:51] Jack Winans: It's it hits somewhere deep inside.

[38:54] Andrew Dodge: This is not a hard competition for me. I do really, really like this song.

[39:00] Jack Winans: I think it's this is when season four is light and fluffy and cute. And before it gets to the end of season four, and we have the school shooting episode and the regionals, and it's just too much at the end.

[39:21] Andrew Dodge: And then we go into season five. This is when it's still fun, still hips, still happening. We still have a lot of the core people involved.

[39:29] Jack Winans: Um I like it. I like this part of season four. It's cute.

[39:33] Andrew Dodge: You like men of McKinley calendar.

[39:39] Jack Winans: I mean, I have to say, Andrew, first of all, this is this number epitomizes everything quintessential to Glee.

[39:50] Andrew Dodge: Right. It is grossly inappropriate, which is what makes Glee amazing.

[39:57] Jack Winans: Um it is targeted directly at Glee's most, you know, biggest target audience, which is 13-year-old gay boys.

[40:05] Andrew Dodge: It is like they they this is exactly what Glee was all about. It's hilarious. They're measuring their stomach fat with like the calipers. Like, like, like, oh my god, it's so funny.

[40:19] Jack Winans: Stop it. No. I okay. I I feel like I'm just like looking at this through an entirely different line than everybody else. Um, okay. We have the song Loser Like Me.

[40:32] Jack Winans: They talk about it.

[40:33] Andrew Dodge: I hate where this is going.

[40:38] Jack Winans: Come with me.

[40:39] Andrew Dodge: Come with me.

[40:40] Jack Winans: Give it on a journey.

[40:42] Allison Dodge: Um, they have the song "Loser Like Me."

[40:44] Jack Winans: They sing it.

[40:45] Andrew Dodge: You want to be a loser like them.

[40:48] Jack Winans: They, these people in this song, not losers.

[40:51] Allison Dodge: No.

[40:51] Jack Winans: They're measuring their body fat.

[40:53] Allison Dodge: There's none.

[40:54] Jack Winans: There's no body fat.

[40:56] Andrew Dodge: There's like, I don't, this is so ridiculous.

[40:59] Jack Winans: This whole episode, I hate this episode.

[41:02] Andrew Dodge: It's just like the fact that they are just like so wishy-washy with like between if these kids are losers or not.

[41:09] Jack Winans: I can't, I can't keep up.

[41:11] Allison Dodge: But don't you think that speaks to something real about the high school experience?

[41:15] Jack Winans: Like, no one was always a loser, and no one was always cool.

[41:18] Allison Dodge: You're always flipping and flopping.

[41:20] Jack Winans: And I think, stop nodding your head, Allison.

[41:22] Allison Dodge: Stop that.

[41:23] Jack Winans: Especially in this episode, it really makes me think how complex, like on the surface, Sam's just a dumb blonde little boy.

[41:31] Allison Dodge: But I think his character is actually so, so, so complex, especially in this part of season four.

[41:37] Jack Winans: He's realizing like, does he have future plans?

[41:40] Allison Dodge: He's having that little end of senior year freak out that Rachel and Kurt had and then decided to go to Niata a week before graduation.

[41:48] Jack Winans: Um, he's having that on a different scale, and I think it highlights that men can have body dysmorphia issues too.

[41:57] Allison Dodge: Um, and it's not just a female issue.

[42:00] Jack Winans: Say that, Alison.

[42:01] Allison Dodge: Wow.

[42:02] Jack Winans: It's not just it.

[42:03] Allison Dodge: I love, I love when women stand up for men.

[42:05] Jack Winans: Hell yeah.

[42:07] Allison Dodge: Happy belated International Men's Day, everyone.

[42:12] Jack Winans: But I just think he's such a complex character, and he's like freaking out, and he's like, all I have is my body, and he was a stripper at 16, 17.

[42:23] Allison Dodge: Talk about that.

[42:24] Jack Winans: Yeah, he has literally already sold his body.

[42:27] Allison Dodge: He's just been sexualized, and he's trying to cope with that in several different ways.

[42:32] Jack Winans: And the Men of McKinley.

[42:34] Allison Dodge: Okay, the Men of McKinley calendar is not because they're cool.

[42:38] Jack Winans: They're trying to make it.

[42:39] Allison Dodge: But they sold out.

[42:40] Jack Winans: They like, they did, they make money off of it.

[42:43] Allison Dodge: Because they're attractive men with, listen, okay.

[42:49] Jack Winans: It doesn't, I feel like with this like iteration of the Glee Club, like Ryder and Jake, like they brought in these guys, like that were just like too hot to be Glee Club members.

[42:59] Allison Dodge: Like, it makes sense.

[43:00] Jack Winans: Like, yeah, you don't think Finn was too hot to be a Glee Club member?

[43:04] Allison Dodge: Stop. Finn was not as hot as these people.

[43:09] Jack Winans: Andrew is right.

[43:10] Allison Dodge: Ryder has the baby cut.

[43:12] Jack Winans: They're just two of these, the beaver cut.

[43:15] Allison Dodge: The BB cut.

[43:18] Jack Winans: A few episodes later, um, Marley sings a song about being an outcast.

[43:23] Allison Dodge: And I'm like, you can't, like, they all.

[43:26] Jack Winans: She's an outcast.

[43:27] Allison Dodge: Ryder and Jake are allowed to be popular.

[43:30] Jack Winans: Marley wasn't part of that Men of McKinley calendar.

[43:33] Allison Dodge: That's correct.

[43:34] Jack Winans: She was just singing along to the, ah ah.

[43:38] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[43:39] Jack Winans: Um, anything else to say about it?

[43:43] Allison Dodge: I think people are gonna be here for me saying that Sam is a complex character.

[43:46] Jack Winans: They're gonna hear me, and they're gonna be like, say more.

[43:50] Allison Dodge: Sam is a complex character, and I can't wait to see him alongside fellow Glee star Lindsay Lohan in their upcoming Christmas movie.

[43:58] Jack Winans: Thank you.

[43:59] Allison Dodge: Have Merry Christmas, Gleeks.

[44:01] Jack Winans: Merry Christmas, Gleeks.

[44:03] Allison Dodge: Next year if the movie comes out next Christmas.

[44:07] Jack Winans: It does.

[44:08] Allison Dodge: Um, I found this out today as well.

[44:11] Jack Winans: That it's actually a full year away.

[44:12] Allison Dodge: I thought it was coming out this Christmas.

[44:14] Jack Winans: Jack came over and he was like very excited for this movie to come out.

[44:17] Allison Dodge: And I was like, I think they just announced that they were just filming it.

[44:21] Jack Winans: I don't think it's coming up this Christmas.

[44:23] Allison Dodge: It is coming out next Christmas, Gleeks.

[44:26] Jack Winans: Merry Christmas next year, Gleeks.

[44:30] Allison Dodge: Um, do we want to vote?

[44:33] Jack Winans: I'm gonna put in my vote for "Funny Girl."

[44:35] Andrew Dodge: No.

[44:36] Jack Winans: "Centerfold," "Hot in Here," Jack.

[44:39] Andrew Dodge: Um, I am also gonna have to go for "Centerfold," "Hot in Here."

[44:43] Jack Winans: Although "Funny Girl" was a close second.

[44:45] Andrew Dodge: It was close.

[44:46] Jack Winans: It was close.

[44:47] Andrew Dodge: Proximity matters.

[44:48] Jack Winans: Proximity matters.

[44:49] Andrew Dodge: You're not ready for this, Andrew.

[44:51] Jack Winans: Oh, it's a good one.

[44:52] Andrew Dodge: You're gonna shit.

[44:53] Jack Winans: You're gonna shit.

[44:54] Andrew Dodge: You're gonna be like, oh my god.

[44:57] Jack Winans: Really?

[44:57] Andrew Dodge: It's a contender for the best song on Glee.

[45:00] Jack Winans: Oh good.

[46:02] Allison Dodge: Well, sometimes I go out by myself and I look across the water.

[46:11] Jack Winans: And I think of all the things like you're doing, and in my head I pay a big, big.

[46:11] Andrew Dodge: Oh, why don't you come on over?

[46:11] Jack Winans: Well, sometimes I go out by myself and I look across the water.

[46:11] Allison Dodge: And I think of all the things what you're doing, and in my head I paint a picture.

[46:24] Jack Winans: And I miss your ginger hair and the way I like to dress.

[46:29] Allison Dodge: I want to come on over.

[46:32] Jack Winans: Stop making a fool out of me.

[47:01] Andrew Dodge: Santana's best solo.

[47:03] Jack Winans: I'm gonna die on that hill.

[47:05] Andrew Dodge: I think this, it truly just like encapsulates her vocals.

[47:08] Jack Winans: I think that she, she understands how to sing.

[47:12] Andrew Dodge: Amy, I understand this is not an Amy Winehouse original.

[47:15] Jack Winans: Amy Winehouse does a cover of it that Santana's doing in this performance.

[47:21] Andrew Dodge: Um, she understands how to capture the Amy Winehouse vibe.

[47:26] Jack Winans: Um, it is so great.

[47:29] Andrew Dodge: Starting from the end, going to the beginning.

[47:32] Jack Winans: Just that backflip that Mike Chang and Brittany, Brittany does in heels.

[47:40] Andrew Dodge: I feel as though, like, let's just move this song to the top four.

[47:45] Jack Winans: Literally.

[47:46] Andrew Dodge: Like, I'm like literally ready to, I like, I'm scared.

[47:51] Jack Winans: I feel as though we get songs sometimes where like we had like the "Centerfold," "Hot in Here" versus "Funny Girl," which was like, okay, like two songs that ultimately would not make it that far.

[48:02] Andrew Dodge: Right.

[48:02] Jack Winans: But then we get like "Valerie," and I know it's gonna be against something fucking good.

[48:06] Andrew Dodge: I'm scared.

[48:07] Jack Winans: I hate it.

[48:08] Andrew Dodge: Um, "Valerie" will still win for me.

[48:12] Jack Winans: I'm gonna say it right now, whatever it's against.

[48:15] Andrew Dodge: Um, it's just so good.

[48:18] Jack Winans: I think it's against "Landslide."

[48:22] Andrew Dodge: I think, okay, so um, I've done, I've created a Glacket.

[48:28] Jack Winans: I've created the Glacket.

[48:37] Andrew Dodge: The original Glacket was something way different than what it is now, what you're listening to.

[48:37] Jack Winans: Uh, the original Glacket was something that I formulated.

[48:42] Andrew Dodge: I was like, okay, we have um, "Don't Rain on My Parade," Rachel version versus "Don't Rain on My Parade," Santana version.

[48:49] Jack Winans: I did like the entire thing of all 666 songs.

[48:52] Andrew Dodge: I think it's a good one.

[48:53] Jack Winans: And it makes sense which ones were going to be.

[48:55] Andrew Dodge: How long did that take you?

[48:56] Jack Winans: It took like a day of my life.

[48:58] Andrew Dodge: Okay.

[48:59] Jack Winans: Um, I'm glad.

[49:00] Andrew Dodge: I'm so glad to be getting this Gleek of the Week lore.

[49:03] Jack Winans: This is lore.

[49:04] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[49:04] Jack Winans: This is like, um, and it was like a poor way of doing it because it's like there are Puck's solos that would make it much further than they needed to because of the way that the Glacket was sort of made up.

[49:21] Andrew Dodge: When I did the Glack, all that to say, the top three was "Landslide," "Love Song," and "Valerie," this version, not the season five version.

[49:21] Jack Winans: "Love Song?"

[49:35] Andrew Dodge: Like "Cerebralas."

[49:36] Jack Winans: "Cerebrellis."

[49:38] Andrew Dodge: I love what they did with "Love Song."

[49:40] Jack Winans: I mean, me too, but I think it was fun.

[49:42] Andrew Dodge: Okay, Allison, we have not pulled that song yet, and I'm scared.

[49:47] Jack Winans: Um, I just love it.

[49:49] Andrew Dodge: "Valerie" is just great.

[49:51] Jack Winans: I know that like it's not a controversial opinion by any means.

[49:55] Andrew Dodge: No.

[49:55] Jack Winans: It's great.

[49:56] Andrew Dodge: I mean, it almost feels like, feels so passé just to be like, well, obviously Santana's one of the best characters on the show.

[50:01] Jack Winans: Right.

[50:01] Andrew Dodge: Amy Winehouse is one of the best singers that's ever lived, and these dresses are some of the ugliest outfits that have ever been worn on Glee.

[50:08] Jack Winans: And so it's like those three combined.

[50:11] Andrew Dodge: This is an amazing, amazing performance.

[50:15] Jack Winans: Like, yeah, it's stupid for this not to be one of the final ones.

[50:19] Andrew Dodge: Like, I actually agree with you.

[50:20] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[50:21] Andrew Dodge: This is probably one of the best competition songs as well.

[50:26] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[50:27] Andrew Dodge: Like, not just in general, but specifically competitions.

[50:31] Jack Winans: Love this.

[50:32] Andrew Dodge: Like, this is the highlight.

[50:33] Jack Winans: I think also in this set of songs is "I've Had the Time of My Life."

[50:33] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[50:33] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[50:33] Andrew Dodge: "I've Had the Time of My Life" started it, yeah.

[50:42] Jack Winans: Yeah, forgettable.

[50:44] Andrew Dodge: What's the one after this?

[50:45] Jack Winans: They only do two.

[50:47] Andrew Dodge: Oh wow.

[50:48] Jack Winans: Okay.

[50:48] Andrew Dodge: So this was the point where they were like, hey, we're not doing three.

[50:52] Jack Winans: Isn't this the So Glee Club comes through with "Valerie"?

[50:57] Andrew Dodge: Dalton Academy Warblers comes through with "Candles."

[51:01] Jack Winans: No, no, no.

[51:02] Andrew Dodge: This is "Hey, Soul Sister."

[51:04] Jack Winans: Oh, even worse.

[51:07] Andrew Dodge: So, and "Hey, Soul Sister" goes through.

[51:11] Jack Winans: They literally...

[51:13] Andrew Dodge: Wins?

[51:14] Jack Winans: They tied.

[51:16] Andrew Dodge: Wow.

[51:16] Jack Winans: Oh, and then they sing "Candles" the next one.

[51:19] Andrew Dodge: They sing "Candles" in "Raise Your Glass."

[51:22] Jack Winans: I remember the "Raise Your Glass" one.

[51:24] Andrew Dodge: They sing "Raise Your Glass" multiple times on this Godforsaken show.

[51:28] Jack Winans: Um, anyways, back to "Valerie."

[51:30] Andrew Dodge: We love.

[51:31] Jack Winans: We love.

[51:31] Andrew Dodge: It's so good.

[51:34] Jack Winans: The hat.

[51:37] Andrew Dodge: We get to good songs and we're just like, what can you say?

[51:43] Jack Winans: Like, it's iconic.

[51:44] Andrew Dodge: That's what I'm like afraid with this podcast that you and I created where it's like, um, okay, like literally we're setting ourselves up to be like years from now talking about, okay, yeah, it's a good song.

[51:58] Jack Winans: Well, I think that's good because right now what we're saying about "Valerie" is it's good.

[52:04] Andrew Dodge: When we see "Valerie" for the fourth time, we are going to have to go in depth and be more analytical about it and get into more detail, and we will, I think.

[52:16] Jack Winans: And I think we, by the end, we will have analyzed the shit out of the best song on Glee.

[52:22] Andrew Dodge: Sure.

[52:22] Jack Winans: Um, I will say that their second rendition of "Valerie," even though it's literally a Brittany and Santana duet, love Vertana, obviously.

[52:32] Andrew Dodge: They should have just kept it as a solo.

[52:34] Jack Winans: Yep.

[52:35] Andrew Dodge: I agree.

[52:37] Jack Winans: I mean, it doesn't make much sense as a solo.

[52:39] Andrew Dodge: I mean, excuse me, as a duet, just lyrically.

[52:43] Jack Winans: Like.

[52:43] Andrew Dodge: Say it.

[52:44] Jack Winans: Like.

[52:48] Andrew Dodge: Exactly.

[52:49] Jack Winans: Right.

[52:50] Andrew Dodge: Um, okay.

[52:51] Jack Winans: Are we prepared to see what's against "Valerie"?

[52:54] Andrew Dodge: No.

[52:55] Jack Winans: I, because they're already sounding really good.

[52:58] Andrew Dodge: Stop.

[52:58] Jack Winans: Don't say that, Allison.

[53:00] Allison Dodge: Say something bad.

[53:01] Jack Winans: Something terrible.

[53:02] Andrew Dodge: Okay.

[53:03] Jack Winans: "Valerie," save.

[53:06] Andrew Dodge: I think.

[53:06] Jack Winans: I mean, it's still a good song, but like, I mean, it's safe.

[53:09] Andrew Dodge: What if it was "I'm Not Gonna Teach Your Boyfriend How to Dance with You"?

[53:12] Jack Winans: I think I would cry.

[53:21] Andrew Dodge: Can't explain all the feelings that you're making me feel.

[53:28] Jack Winans: My heart's an overtrapping, you're behind the steering wheel.

[53:37] Andrew Dodge: Touching you.

[53:40] Jack Winans: Touching me.

[53:44] Andrew Dodge: Touching you.

[53:45] Jack Winans: God go touching me.

[53:51] Andrew Dodge: I believe in a thing called love.

[53:53] Jack Winans: Just listen to the rhythm of a heart.

[53:55] Andrew Dodge: There's a chance we can make it now.

[53:56] Jack Winans: Will we rock until the sun goes down?

[53:58] Andrew Dodge: I believe in a thing called love.

[54:29] ♪ Musical number: "I Believe in a Thing Called Love" — performed by Kurt and Adam Lambert ♪

[56:00] Andrew Dodge: I was thinking the entire time, I was like, is this supposed to be a dream sequence or not? And I feel as though that last line sort of solidified that it was not.

[56:15] Jack Winans: Okay. Wait, why do you think that was?

[56:17] Andrew Dodge: Well, because why would you just show someone guitars after you're doing that?

[56:25] Jack Winans: From our perspective, yes.

[56:27] Andrew Dodge: Yeah. From the made of Glee universe, that was good.

[56:30] Jack Winans: Um, I mean, it was good. I mean, I feel like Kurt got better throughout the performance. And maybe that was intentional. Like at the beginning, it felt so awkward, his dancing. And he got more into it at the end, and it felt a little more natural. But at the beginning, I was like, Kurt does not seem comfortable moving like that.

[56:49] Andrew Dodge: Was I the only one who thought that?

[56:50] Jack Winans: No, I would completely agree. Kurt, I really like this was a different, I think. I wish um Songs from a Suitcase, Audrey was here. Um, because I think this is a much different range for him.

[57:02] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[57:03] Jack Winans: Well, I mean, we've okay. I was thinking about Audrey as well, because we've pulled the other Kellyot duet, Kurt and Elliot duet, um, with her, and I was thinking about the entire time her note of like it just seems like a song that is just way more for Adam Lambert, and then Chris Colfer is just literally there.

[57:24] Andrew Dodge: Yeah, Chris.

[57:24] Jack Winans: There.

[57:25] Andrew Dodge: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[57:26] Jack Winans: Um totally. Uh all that said, Chris Colfer still has a great voice.

[57:32] Andrew Dodge: It's just Yeah, no, I mean, there's there's a lot of Kurt songs that I love.

[57:35] Jack Winans: Right.

[57:36] Andrew Dodge: Right. But yeah, I just feel like this was a song for Adam Lambert, and it's almost like a little rude to be like, oh yeah. Chris, you have to do the other cards.

[57:46] Jack Winans: Like, like sorry.

[57:48] Andrew Dodge: Yeah. I really do like this song. Like I was watching Miss Mojo the other day.

[57:58] Jack Winans: Were you fans of Miss Mojo here?

[58:00] Andrew Dodge: Oh, I'm familiar with her work.

[58:02] Jack Winans: Love Miss Mojo.

[58:04] Andrew Dodge: You don't know who Miss Mojo is.

[58:04] Jack Winans: No.

[58:04] Andrew Dodge: Miss Mojo is a YouTube channel that just like does top tens. Someone told me recently that Miss Mojo and all those were just like totally like AI generated and like.

[58:13] Jack Winans: No, no, no Miss Mojo's.

[58:15] Andrew Dodge: Watch Mojo, yes.

[58:16] Jack Winans: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[58:17] Andrew Dodge: Well, Miss Mojo's is for like women and gays.

[58:19] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[58:20] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[58:20] Jack Winans: Wait, Miss Mojo.

[58:22] Andrew Dodge: Yeah, right?

[58:22] Jack Winans: No, it's the same thing, but Miss Mojo is specifically for women and gays.

[58:22] Andrew Dodge: Women and gays.

[58:26] Jack Winans: Okay, cool.

[58:27] Andrew Dodge: Yeah. Um, okay, so Miss Mojo was saying that um the top ten hardest songs to sing. Uh, this was I believe like number like seven.

[58:39] Jack Winans: Whoa.

[58:40] Andrew Dodge: Um this is a yeah, number one was Emotions by Mariah Carey.

[58:45] Jack Winans: That doesn't surprise me.

[58:47] Andrew Dodge: Um, but like other songs on the list was I Will Always Love You, um, Oh God. Which I was thinking, did they ever even do that on Glee?

[58:47] Jack Winans: I will always love you.

[58:56] Andrew Dodge: Did they do that?

[58:57] Jack Winans: Mercedes.

[59:00] Andrew Dodge: Okay.

[59:01] Jack Winans: Mercedes.

[59:01] Andrew Dodge: Anything else to say about I Believe in a Thing Called Love?

[59:04] Jack Winans: No.

[59:05] Andrew Dodge: I wanted it to be turned off.

[59:06] Jack Winans: No, I didn't want to watch the video.

[59:09] Andrew Dodge: Uh I don't I didn't like looking at it.

[59:12] Jack Winans: I just like I liked listening to it a little bit, but I didn't like looking at it.

[59:17] Andrew Dodge: I think it's a good song.

[59:18] Jack Winans: It's a great song.

[59:19] Andrew Dodge: I mean, as a song, it's uh it's one of the great songs.

[59:21] Jack Winans: Adam Lambert is incredible.

[59:23] Andrew Dodge: It's one of the great songs. Adam Lambert does a great job. It's you know, obviously right in his, you know, kind of niche where he's comfortable. I loved Kurt's pole dancing at the end. That was a highlight for me.

[59:33] Jack Winans: Sure.

[59:35] Andrew Dodge: Um, but everything else was uncomfortable to watch. I mean, like, are we gonna talk about the fact that there is like a rotating pole in the middle of a guitar shop?

[59:45] Jack Winans: No, that makes sense.

[59:47] Andrew Dodge: Every guitar shop I go into, rotating pole.

[59:51] Jack Winans: Also, the wall of cymbals that Kurt like playfully plays with at one point. I was like, why would they have a wall of cymbals like that?

[59:57] Andrew Dodge: For Kurt to play with.

[1:00:01] Jack Winans: Sorry, I'm not a music person. Aren't all cymbals the same? Like, why do you look through?

[1:00:05] Andrew Dodge: Oh, that's so true. Yeah. Why would you need to look at 30 different cymbals on a wall?

[1:00:10] Jack Winans: When Kurt's in town.

[1:00:11] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[1:00:14] Jack Winans: Valerie.

[1:00:15] Andrew Dodge: Uh vote.

[1:00:17] Jack Winans: Yeah, Valerie.

[1:00:18] Andrew Dodge: Sorry, I believe in a thing called love. I don't believe in this song going through.

[1:00:22] Jack Winans: Sorry. Um it was gonna happen to anything against Valerie.

[1:00:25] Andrew Dodge: Wait, I'm scared for what you pulled.

[1:00:27] Jack Winans: We're forced to watch this, okay? Just for two minutes of future.

[1:00:32] Andrew Dodge: Oh, good, good, good.

[1:00:33] Jack Winans: Okay, great.

[1:00:34] Andrew Dodge: Who we feel we he.

[1:01:17] ♪ Musical number: "You Have More Friends Than You Know" — performed by Marley ♪

[1:03:20] Jack Winans: I lied, I hate this part of season four.

[1:03:24] Andrew Dodge: No, no, this is this is later on. This is this is part of the um school shooting lore, right?

[1:03:30] Jack Winans: This is the next episode.

[1:03:33] Andrew Dodge: God, you remember when they did that school shooting? That was crazy.

[1:03:36] Jack Winans: It was what a I just watched it.

[1:03:36] Andrew Dodge: I just watched it. Um this uh it doesn't hit as much as any of the other Glee original songs. I'd rather have a full studio version of my cup than listen to that again.

[1:03:55] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[1:03:55] Andrew Dodge: Um I'd rather listen to Hell to the No over and over and over and over again. Iconic song compared to this.

[1:04:04] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[1:04:04] Andrew Dodge: Not this. I mean, okay, I do feel weird. So here okay, so this is this is the lore around this song.

[1:04:05] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[1:04:05] Andrew Dodge: I do feel weird about it because all of the other Glee originals were literally like all written by the Glee team. They all like self-produced them. But this song was like written and constructed by um the Avenue Q people, the people that did Frozen as well.

[1:04:32] Jack Winans: Oh.

[1:04:32] Andrew Dodge: Um, which I feel like weird. It's not their best work, yeah.

[1:04:35] Jack Winans: And so it's just like, yeah, not the best work. Um Marley really like prided herself on uh these original songs that she wrote.

[1:04:46] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[1:04:47] Jack Winans: Uh literally in the school shooting episode, she um like Artie passes around a camera and she like says, like, hey, by the way, if I don't make it, um, there is a book of songs in my drawer next to my bed. I think they're honestly pretty good. So if anybody finds them, I think they're I think they're good.

[1:05:08] Andrew Dodge: Um I'm sorry, Marley.

[1:05:12] Jack Winans: I'm sorry, Marley. And how do we feel about Marley on this podcast?

[1:05:17] Andrew Dodge: I she seems so uncharismatic to me, I remember when I was watching.

[1:05:22] Jack Winans: Right.

[1:05:23] Andrew Dodge: No, I completely agree. She, I can see she's too fragile for me.

[1:05:30] Jack Winans: Um, in a way that like doesn't make me want to root for her. Like But I feel like I mean, she does offer anti-Rachel in that regard. Like she's not as like brawny, I guess.

[1:05:43] Andrew Dodge: That's true.

[1:05:43] Jack Winans: They're kind of like foils in a way, but they don't, yeah.

[1:05:47] Andrew Dodge: Yeah. She's a weak little flower that depends on Jake and Ryder and the people around her to bring her up, um, rather than finding that within herself a lot of times.

[1:06:00] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[1:06:01] Andrew Dodge: And like, do we need a foil for Rachel when Rachel's not even there?

[1:06:05] Jack Winans: Exactly. We don't need a new Rachel, babe. We don't need one.

[1:06:09] Andrew Dodge: Yeah, we're watching her like against Kate Hudson anymore.

[1:06:13] Jack Winans: Yeah. Exactly.

[1:06:15] Andrew Dodge: Uh I don't know.

[1:06:17] Jack Winans: Yeah, Marley.

[1:06:19] Andrew Dodge: I don't mind her. I mean, I like her singing voice, I think is the is the thing that I appreciate. I also love um Unique in this, offering the riffs.

[1:06:29] Jack Winans: Oh, yeah.

[1:06:30] Andrew Dodge: Um, very fun. Must have been very cold on very cold on set that day.

[1:06:38] Jack Winans: Sam's nipples were literally poking through the shirt.

[1:06:42] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[1:06:43] Jack Winans: You could have said when Mr. Shoe comes out of the curtain and he's like, he has this like his jaw drops a little. He's like staring right at Sam's nipples.

[1:06:54] Andrew Dodge: Um I mean, is there anything else to say about You Have More Friends Than You Know?

[1:07:00] Jack Winans: No, it's not it's it's not the best Glee original song.

[1:07:07] Andrew Dodge: That's it.

[1:07:08] Jack Winans: Yeah, no, I don't like it.

[1:07:32] ♪ Musical number: "Keep Holding On" — performed by Glee Cast ♪

[1:09:31] Jack Winans: Why is she crying? Okay, so keep holding on, Puck. Puck singing this song to Quinn. Quinn remembered the scene that immediately follows this song is that Quinn had forgotten that they had originally performed this song to her when she was kicked off the Cheerios due to her being pregnant. And so when she comes back in season five, when we initially see her, she's just like, I'm sort of like leaving all my past behind, and I'm moving forward with Chase Crawford as my boyfriend. And so Puck sings this song, brings her right back down to earth, and so she's like clutching her pearls literally. Literally throughout the entire song. In my opinion, the best part of the performance is when she's clutching her pearls. She's older for me. Diana Agron was like, wait, can this outfit have pearls?

[1:10:27] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[1:10:27] Jack Winans: Pearls stole the show.

[1:10:30] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[1:10:30] Jack Winans: All that being said, I actually like this as a Puck solo. It's good. The only thing I mean, I really like this song. I really like they're I think they're trying to do like the original choreography in the background.

[1:10:47] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[1:10:48] Jack Winans: I just have a question. Why did Glee repeat so many songs?

[1:10:55] Allison Dodge: That is an amazing question.

[1:10:57] Jack Winans: Um, and no one will ever know.

[1:10:59] Andrew Dodge: Right.

[1:11:00] Jack Winans: Because like they literally performed, they only sung one Avril Lavigne song throughout the entire series, and they did the same song twice.

[1:11:08] Allison Dodge: Twice.

[1:11:09] Jack Winans: They didn't even like tip their toes into "Girlfriend."

[1:11:12] Allison Dodge: I was literally gonna say they could have humor.

[1:11:16] Jack Winans: Oh my god, please.

[1:11:18] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[1:11:19] Jack Winans: Sometimes I would have been okay in the grand scheme of things if they made it seasons one through six, never repeating a song, except "Don't Stop Believin'" in the first episode and in the last episode.

[1:11:33] Allison Dodge: Okay.

[1:11:34] Jack Winans: I think there are times when repeating a song is effective. There are times when it's just not. Like, why did we need "Don't Rain on My Parade" so many times?

[1:11:45] Allison Dodge: No, they only did it three times.

[1:11:47] Jack Winans: I mean, like, and I do think in this arc of Rachel's character, that song is very important. I don't think that "Don't Rain on My Parade"—I'm not with you on the "Don't Rain on My Parade." I'm with you on "Keep Holding On."

[1:12:00] Allison Dodge: Same.

[1:12:00] Jack Winans: "Don't Rain on My Parade" needed to be done by Rachel and also Santana. I think we could have done with the in-between though. The original in sectionals and the in Santana. I would have could have done without the one in between.

[1:12:17] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[1:12:18] Jack Winans: How about "Don't Stop Believin'" at Regionals at the end of season one?

[1:12:23] Allison Dodge: I do like that.

[1:12:24] Jack Winans: Um, I do like that. I don't need it as her audition song for "Funny Girl."

[1:12:32] Allison Dodge: That was a bit much.

[1:12:34] Jack Winans: I get she can absolutely have this moment where she is imagining singing with her friends. It doesn't have to be "Don't Stop Believin'."

[1:12:42] Allison Dodge: Um, I'm not here for it with "Raise Your Glass." I'm not here for it with "Holding On to Stupid."

[1:12:48] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[1:12:49] Allison Dodge: So like I'm not here for it with "Loser Like Me." Why did we need to sing that again?

[1:12:54] Jack Winans: An acoustic version.

[1:12:55] Allison Dodge: Yeah, I don't even frankly, I don't need it for "Teenage Dream" either.

[1:13:01] Jack Winans: Oh no.

[1:13:02] Allison Dodge: No, no, no.

[1:13:03] Jack Winans: I actually will.

[1:13:05] Allison Dodge: No.

[1:13:06] Jack Winans: I agree with you, Allison. I agree with you, Allison. I actually liked both versions of "Teenage Dream." I like both of them.

[1:13:12] Allison Dodge: I think they very well could have evoked the exact same emotions using a different song.

[1:13:17] Jack Winans: Different song, yeah.

[1:13:18] Allison Dodge: Yes, but I think that it was sort of fun to have a different rendition.

[1:13:26] Jack Winans: We haven't pulled either "Teenage Dream" yet.

[1:13:28] Allison Dodge: We haven't.

[1:13:29] Jack Winans: Um, I like both. I do like both.

[1:13:31] Allison Dodge: I do like both.

[1:13:32] Jack Winans: I didn't need it. I didn't need it. It could have been something else. It could have been a different Katy Perry. It could have been a very sentimental love song. Because in the grand scheme of things, "Teenage Dream" is not a love song.

[1:13:46] Allison Dodge: Right.

[1:13:47] Jack Winans: Um, and Katy Perry's songbook is endless.

[1:13:50] Allison Dodge: Exactly.

[1:13:50] Jack Winans: Exactly.

[1:13:51] Allison Dodge: True.

[1:13:52] Jack Winans: All that being said, loved "Keep Holding On." No, I didn't love it. I liked it. Um, do you know what Cold Stone Creamery is?

[1:14:05] Andrew Dodge: Yeah, there's one in Stone Hardware, yeah.

[1:14:08] Jack Winans: Stone Harbor. Heard of it. The sizes that they have.

[1:14:11] Andrew Dodge: Oh, there used to be.

[1:14:14] Jack Winans: Yeah, now it's the burger.

[1:14:18] Andrew Dodge: Yeah.

[1:14:19] Jack Winans: So the sizes that they have at Cold Stone Creamery for their dishes are like it, love it, gotta have it. Um, so you're at the like it size.

[1:14:28] Allison Dodge: Uh, yeah.

[1:14:30] Jack Winans: Like, I'm still going into Cold Stone. I'm still gonna buy a dish of ice cream. Yeah, they're still getting my patronage, I guess.

[1:14:40] Allison Dodge: Are you gonna tip and they're gonna sing a song or no?

[1:14:43] Jack Winans: No. If they sing this. I mean, okay, I have one more note about this song. "Keep Holding On." They did the original choreo. Um, the original Glee Club members got up on the stage. They started doing the choreo, and then like the newer cast.

[1:15:03] Allison Dodge: I knew you were gonna say that.

[1:15:05] Jack Winans: Yeah. How do they know?

[1:15:07] Allison Dodge: Quick learners.

[1:15:09] Jack Winans: Like they got up so come on. You gotta be able to if you're gonna get hung up on that, the whole show goes out the window.

[1:15:17] Allison Dodge: No, the whole show goes out the window.

[1:15:19] Jack Winans: I was like, either like keep them sitting down or don't have them up there at all. Like I would like literally, like they literally acknowledge the fact that they weren't there for the original performance by having them not there for like the first like chorus, whatever.

[1:15:33] Allison Dodge: Right.

[1:15:33] Jack Winans: Um, but just like have them continue to sit down as like, hey, these are like our idols. These are our people that we're looking up to. I mean, it was probably in like their contracts for something that like they have to be in the big chorus numbers.

[1:15:47] Allison Dodge: Okay, you know.

[1:15:48] Jack Winans: Hey, Jack constantly with the contracts.

[1:15:53] Allison Dodge: Uh, but yeah, that was my final note about "Keep Holding On" season five version. My note about "Keep Holding On" season five version is that obviously, you know, Diana Agron's performance as receiving the song is amazing, and I'm voting for it for that reason alone.

[1:16:15] Jack Winans: Yeah, I'm voting for it. "Keep Holding On," baby.

[1:16:18] Allison Dodge: Keep holding on.

[1:16:19] Jack Winans: Yeah, that Marley original. Sorry, baby. Keep on trying. Don't give up though. You have more friends than you know, don't worry. They're just not on this Zoom call.

[1:16:30] Allison Dodge: They're not here on the Zoom call.

[1:16:32] Jack Winans: Has Marley done anything?

[1:16:34] Allison Dodge: Marley's Supergirl, don't do that.

[1:16:36] Jack Winans: She's one of the more established Supergirl on CW.

[1:16:40] Allison Dodge: On the CW.

[1:16:41] Jack Winans: I don't have cable.

[1:16:46] Allison Dodge: Um, I literally failed to do the like I literally told myself that I would tell the guests about this question that I'll—uh, what's the question?

[1:16:55] Jack Winans: Oh, wait, but first, we need to recap with the songs that are not. Whatever. "Centerfold," "Hot," and "Here," "I Believe in a Thing Called Love." Not going through. "Keep Holding On." Going through, and what do you have?

[1:17:09] Allison Dodge: Uh, "Funny Girl" not going through.

[1:17:12] Jack Winans: You have more friends than you know. Also, bye-bye. "Valerie" is going through to the next round of the Glacket.

[1:17:17] Allison Dodge: Good.

[1:17:18] Jack Winans: Okay.

[1:17:19] Allison Dodge: Um, Jack.

[1:17:21] Jack Winans: Yes, Allison.

[1:17:22] Allison Dodge: Something something we ask our guests at the end of every episode. Um, Glee, if it was still on in 2021.

[1:17:30] Jack Winans: Almost 2022.

[1:17:32] Allison Dodge: Yeah. Truly just in nine days. Wink wink.

[1:17:36] Jack Winans: Exactly. Um, what are they singing? What are they doing? What's going on?

[1:17:41] Jack Winans: I mean, don't you think if Glee was on today, it would literally just be like TikTok dances every episode, and it would just be full Addison Rae doing Megan Thee Stallion? I think that's what it would be every episode.

[1:17:57] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[1:17:57] Jack Winans: Mm-hmm.

[1:17:58] Allison Dodge: Put your records on.

[1:18:00] Jack Winans: You're not wrong.

[1:18:01] Allison Dodge: You're not wrong. That's what they would have to be doing.

[1:18:04] Jack Winans: It's true. Who's gonna be the most viral on TikTok of the Glee Club members?

[1:18:10] Allison Dodge: Hmm.

[1:18:13] Jack Winans: Who's gonna pop off?

[1:18:15] Allison Dodge: Brittany, of course.

[1:18:16] Jack Winans: I think it's Brittany.

[1:18:17] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[1:18:17] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[1:18:18] Allison Dodge: She got the dances.

[1:18:18] Jack Winans: And she has the dance and she has the humor.

[1:18:18] Allison Dodge: The humor.

[1:18:22] Jack Winans: Mm-hmm.

[1:18:23] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[1:18:23] Jack Winans: We didn't we didn't get a Christmas episode this week.

[1:18:27] Allison Dodge: I'm so sorry, Glee.

[1:18:28] Jack Winans: Christmas song.

[1:18:29] Allison Dodge: A Christmas song.

[1:18:31] Jack Winans: So Gleeks. I keep forgetting the Gleeks are here. I just keep thinking it's just the present.

[1:18:36] Allison Dodge: Hey Glee.

[1:18:37] Jack Winans: There's hundreds of people listening to this right now.

[1:18:42] Allison Dodge: Um, and where can those glisteners, where can they find you online?

[1:18:48] Jack Winans: Oh, the Gleeks. If there are any hot Gleeks out there, um, yeah, feel free to follow me on Twitter. It's just my normal name at Jack Winans, J C K W I N A N S.

[1:19:01] Allison Dodge: I never realized that you got that ad. That's very impressive.

[1:19:04] Jack Winans: Yeah, I mean, what can I say? I've had a Twitter for a long time.

[1:19:08] Allison Dodge: Wait, but like also, don't you have whack ginens?

[1:19:11] Jack Winans: That's my Instagram. So that's what's gonna follow up. My Instagram is just a spoonerism of my name, so whack ginens.

[1:19:18] Allison Dodge: Okay.

[1:19:19] Jack Winans: But my Twitter is just my real name, Jack Winans.

[1:19:22] Allison Dodge: That's good.

[1:19:22] Jack Winans: No underscores, no nothing.

[1:19:24] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[1:19:24] Jack Winans: No underscores, no nothing. And you can find how to spell that in the sort of title of the episode.

[1:19:29] Allison Dodge: Yeah.

[1:19:30] Jack Winans: We'll be in there in the text. And if any of you live in East Williamsburg or Bushwick, let's hang out.

[1:19:37] Allison Dodge: And you see a Honda CRV parked.

[1:19:40] Jack Winans: Yeah, you see a white Honda CRV parked on the street, leave a nice little message.

[1:19:45] Allison Dodge: Give us that license plate, Jack.

[1:19:48] Jack Winans: This was so much fun. Thank you so much for coming over and doing this.

[1:19:49] Allison Dodge: Thank you so much for having me. I mean, I'm just so thankful to be gracing the stage with, you know, bedfellows like Nikki Blonsky and Ali Stroker. I mean, I'm obviously as famous as them, but like, and this is proof, but like I'm just so flattered.

[1:20:12] Jack Winans: Yeah.

[1:20:15] Allison Dodge: To end the episode, we're gonna say bye.

[1:20:19] Jack Winans: In the most annoying voice.

[1:20:21] Allison Dodge: Okay?

[1:20:22] Jack Winans: After one. Three, two, one.

[1:20:26] All: Bye.

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