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[0:01] Joe Carroll: Welcome to Guys Who Like Musicals.

[0:03] Dan Tracy: Welcome to Guys Who Like Musicals.

[0:06] Joe Carroll: I'm really excited.

[0:09] Dan Tracy: Um, I thought you were gonna start singing.

[0:10] Joe Carroll: I thought that was like—

[0:10] Dan Tracy: Sometimes I do, but I'm not going to.

[0:14] Joe Carroll: Uh, not in the presence of the person who should be doing the singing.

[0:17] Dan Tracy: That's true.

[0:18] Joe Carroll: Please don't.

[0:19] Dan Tracy: Caissie Levy is with us today.

[0:21] Joe Carroll: I'm so excited to talk to you. I've missed you.

[0:24] Dan Tracy: And Joe, at the beginning of this, was like, "Joe, don't veer too much off topic because we'll be here for two hours, and you have a four-year-old and you're pregnant, and your time is very valuable."

[0:38] Joe Carroll: So I'm gonna try to stick to the questions, and I'm not gonna—

[0:40] Dan Tracy: He's gonna try his best.

[0:41] Joe Carroll: And it's not gonna be—

[0:41] Dan Tracy: So am I.

[0:43] Joe Carroll: It's all good. Thank you for having me on your podcast. I've been a fan, so it's fun to be here.

[0:45] Caissie Levy: That can't be true.

[0:48] Joe Carroll: That can't be true.

[0:49] Caissie Levy: It is true.

[0:50] Joe Carroll: Are you just being nice?

[0:52] Caissie Levy: No.

[0:52] Joe Carroll: Thank you.

[0:53] Caissie Levy: I've listened to it. Well, I wanted to bug you about it back when we were working together.

[0:58] Caissie Levy: And it just, for some reason, I—you know what? I'm just gonna be honest about it. It was like while we were working, I was like, "I don't want to bug her."

[1:06] Caissie Levy: I just don't, I didn't want to bug you. I didn't want to bug you.

[1:09] Joe Carroll: And now that we have time on our hands, now I'm bugging you.

[1:14] Caissie Levy: I mean, I thank you for that. I would have done it then because I adore you, but I—that's really thoughtful. And it takes someone who is insanely busy doing eight shows a week to know that asking someone else, even in the same show who's doing eight shows a week to do anything extra locally is taxing. So thanks for that. But glad to be here.

[1:31] Joe Carroll: Yay. Well, for those of you who don't know, and we're just gonna run through some of your credits real quick and make you uncomfortable, and then we'll see, and then we'll just get through that like very quickly. Um, but Broadway credits include Hairspray, Hair, Elphaba, Ghost, Les Misérables, First Daughter Suite at the Public, Murder Ballad Off-Broadway, and then obviously Frozen.

[1:58] Dan Tracy: We're gonna talk about all of that.

[1:59] Joe Carroll: So an actor is saying his lines, and then out of nowhere he just starts singing.

[2:15] Dan Tracy: Don't cry for me.

[2:29] Joe Carroll: And this, so I'm questioning because we see you work with people and you have to be cool, or you have to pretend to be cool in some way.

[2:42] Caissie Levy: And now I don't have to. Like it's over. Like we don't, it's done.

[2:45] Joe Carroll: Yeah, we've had the whiskey. We know each other.

[2:47] Caissie Levy: Yes.

[2:48] Joe Carroll: So we know each other.

[2:48] Caissie Levy: Yeah.

[2:48] Joe Carroll: So now I get—but I also like because we're—you, we're not at a bar, you're on our show. I can just tell you all of the things that I really think about you because I think you're unbelievable. And you're one of the kindest, most talented people I've ever worked with. That sounds like a cliché, but it's true.

[3:06] Caissie Levy: Thanks, dude.

[3:07] Joe Carroll: And um, yeah, I just—I have 10,000 questions, and we only have an hour, so let's get to it.

[3:14] Dan Tracy: All right, all right. Dan, do you have any questions?

[3:19] Joe Carroll: Oh, that was nice to see. That was Joe likes to come in hot with a—you know, big fan, but in this case, I think it's like, it's worth saying. We've both been watching for a long time.

[3:27] Dan Tracy: And thanks, guys. Now you're here on our show. What a world.

[3:33] Joe Carroll: It's weird how like in the middle of a global pandemic, more with people at this time than we normally were, you know, prior.

[3:39] Dan Tracy: And it is one of the few silver linings of this insanity that our world is facing.

[3:44] Joe Carroll: So yeah, this is really refreshing. Also because I think when we're all working and in the grind of the eight shows a week and we're doing like press type things all the time, um, it can be a bit of a slog or it can feel like not that special, but this is really special to get to talk about like why—like I love the title of your podcast, like Guys Who Love Musicals. Like that's really what's at the heart of all of this for all of us.

[4:10] Caissie Levy: Totally.

[4:10] Joe Carroll: And I think it's easy to forget that when we're just like busy and tired and performing. And so it's nice actually to like have this conversation now and be able to reflect on what we actually do love about what this business is, you know, and why we do this.

[4:25] Dan Tracy: So yeah, it's cool.

[4:26] Joe Carroll: Totally. Oh well, we also found at the beginning of it that we didn't really want to ask people during the beginning of the pandemic, and our listeners will know that. Like, we kind of went back and forth about like, do we want to spend the time talking about this thing that we love when it's not happening?

[4:37] Dan Tracy: Right.

[4:45] Joe Carroll: And so we took some time off, and now it's really fun to talk about because we miss it so much. There's some light at the end of some tunnel in some form of the distance. So it's like anyway, we'll just—we'll nerd out for a little while. How are you? How's good life?

[5:06] Caissie Levy: My husband and I and our kid, so David Reese is my husband and our son. We have not been in New York since the end of March. So we went and spent five months in Canada with my parents through the middle of the summer. And then we went—we came back to the New York area, and now we're staying just outside the city with family. So we have not been like alone as a family, just the three of us in nine or 10 months. So like on the one hand, it's been amazing just because our families have been there for us and incredible. And you know our four-year-old, he's a real energetic kid. So like staying in this city when we couldn't just go to the park was kind of not an option. And we've been rather—I mean extremely, extremely conservative about all of this.

I know people are sort of at varying levels of safety and like that's totally fine, you know, but we've been incredibly locked down the entire time. And so we were like we have to go somewhere where like there's space for this child to run or we won't survive. So it's been great to have places to go. It's also been just like kind of sad to not be in New York because I've—that's my home of 20 years and we miss our apartment. I mean, you know, so we're really good because we're healthy and we have support and so we're grateful. But we're also having like—I feel like the days that are good are great and the days that are hard are really crappy. And I think a lot of people relate to that, like the highs are high and the lows are really low.

And totally, and then you add in all of us not having our livelihood and our like our outlet of creativity and our sort of like reason to be, and it can be really tricky. So I am well, I'm grateful and healthy, but I'm also like yeah, it's a double-edged sword.

[6:52] Joe Carroll: You had five months, nine months to spend with family that you never would have had, you know, in that time in your career to share that time with your young child and all of that. And now the other side of it is just where's my purpose? What am I doing? Am I moving forward? Yeah, what's going on? How are we gonna pay our bills? All of that. And you were in Caroline or Change when everything happened. And that was, you know, one of the most anticipated shows of the season. Do you guys have any idea what the status is with that? Can you talk about that at all?

[7:28] Caissie Levy: Yeah, I think we can. I mean, it's—they've been in amazing communication with all of us. So that's been a great bright spot. And even when the communication was, "Hey, we have no idea what's happening," they would send an email.

[7:40] Joe Carroll: Nice.

[7:40] Caissie Levy: Nice. Which was great. And um, so Roundabout's been super dreamy in that way. And it is looking like we have dates for the fall. So we're gonna hopefully be—assuming, you know, the world is safe to do so, we'll be in previews at some point in the early fall.

[7:56] Joe Carroll: So wow.

[7:57] Caissie Levy: I do also feel like psychotically fortunate that I even have that to look forward to. As we know with the way things have happened in the last year, like who really knows? But having that to kind of hang my hat on, even if it's not solid, has been good for my mental health. And my heart really has been going out to all of our friends in the business who like don't have that exact situation because hard enough. Like we're used to this when it's a few months here or there, you know, like the world is open. We're like, okay, we don't know where our next job is coming from. We understand what that is somewhat, but this is obviously very different. So it has been great to know that Caroline is a priority for Roundabout.

And you know, it was already going to be so meaningful to have that show open because of the content and the story. And now, especially, you know, in light of what's happened in the last year, it will be even more important for this story to be told again. So that's not lost on me either. That like that's an honor I get to look forward to.

[8:59] Joe Carroll: Yeah, yeah, truly. And I think that, you know, I'll—you know, the silver lining, you know, Dan, you just hit on it, that when we were ending Frozen, that you were—you were doing double duty for a while with Caroline. You like you found out about it and it was, "Oh my gosh," you know, and like we like gave you a bunch of shit for it that it was like, "Oh yeah, of course, she's just going off to like, you know, like we're all going on vacation on a vacation for the—you know, no one, you know, I'm not working, and Patty—well, Patty was having a baby, so she had—she was doing the most important thing one can do. But I wasn't—I had absolutely nothing planned, and it was like, "Oh yeah, Caissie going on to star in this amazing revival," to then say, "Hey, actually, you gotta take a breath.

No, like you have to take a breath and you gotta spend a bunch of time with your family, and the family's gonna grow. And it's still gonna be there on the other side." I mean, yeah, how wild is that kind of looking back?

[9:54] Caissie Levy: It's crazy.

[9:54] Joe Carroll: It's crazy. The treadmill we were all on, just ramping up to the end of our Frozen run was already crazy enough. And then being—doing double duty, being in rehearsals for this whole other show, this whole other sound, this whole other type of role, um, that I really felt like I hadn't dove into since um actually when I was at the Public with First Daughter Suite and Michael John LaChiusa's show, which is much—it's much more of a like esoteric and intellectual and non-commercial sort of piece. So um, it was a weird shift to be navigating at the time, anyways. And then yeah, to have it all abruptly stop. At first, I really thought it was gonna be three weeks. I don't know what you guys did you feel that way?

[10:37] Caissie Levy: Same, yeah.

[10:38] Joe Carroll: No, I thought—

[10:39] Dan Tracy: Well, no, that's still what I'm doing.

[10:41] Dan Tracy: Dan was like, "This is going to be a long time."

[10:50] Joe Carroll: And listen to too many podcasts to think that this is going to be short.

[10:53] Dan Tracy: I was like, "It's going to be next June."

[10:55] Joe Carroll: I said in April, I was saying next June 2021.

[11:00] Dan Tracy: Um, which I'm not proud to say. That's not like something I'm excited about, but yeah.

[11:06] Joe Carroll: No, well, that's what Donald McNeil—that's what the guy, the infectious disease reporter at the Times kept saying is like, "I've been right about all of this stuff, and I'm not happy that I'm right."

[11:15] Caissie Levy: You know.

[11:16] Joe Carroll: Yeah.

[11:16] Dan Tracy: Um, so anyway, yeah. I just look back and I keep thinking how lucky we were that we got to finish our run in Frozen at all.

[11:23] Caissie Levy: True, right?

[11:24] Joe Carroll: True. Like, that's insane. I—it would have been so heartbreaking to have that abruptly end after like three years or something with the parts. And then, of course, thinking about our replacements, CRNA and McKenzie and Ryan, um, not having longer than what was it, two and a half weeks or something?

[11:44] Caissie Levy: That just makes me sick.

[11:45] Joe Carroll: That's so awful.

[11:46] Caissie Levy: Yeah. But you know, it's so—it's been tough for everybody in every corner of this, you know.

[11:51] Dan Tracy: Yeah, yeah. What are you most excited about as far as—you know, to shift to some lightness, I guess, with Caroline? Like, what are you most excited about when people get to see it? Like, what was that experience like right when it ended?

[12:08] Caissie Levy: And what are you most excited about for people to see? I feel like we were just kind of claiming it when we had the shutdown hit because we had just done our first run through. And the night of the shutdown, which was March 12th, that afternoon, that evening was gonna be our invited dress rehearsal. And the next day was our first preview. Whoa, wow. So we had just kind of like ripped the band-aid of the first run through with tech the night before. And we were like, okay, we're not terrible. Like we were rough, but we were like, we got through it. Okay, so this is the thing, we can do this show. Um and then of course we didn't. So it was it was weird to be like at the beginning stages of bonding with the cast and the crew and then have to go our separate ways because we weren't like settled, we weren't in a groove at all.

Um, but we all had really good vibes around it. I mean, all of us were actually incredibly nervous. I think I speak for the entire cast when I say that. Maybe not showing she knew her steps, you know. And she's so she's so brilliant in the part. It's so I'm really excited for New York, first of all, just sidebar as my old friend from Ghost, because we did Ghost Together in the UK, and she's a massive theater star over there and TV star, I should say. But like she's, you know, hot shit in the UK, and people just don't know her in New York. So watching her go from O to May, which is how I knew her in Ghost and be hilarious and like kill every bit of comedy and sing the crap out of Ghost, and then play Caroline was like uh a mind fuck in the best way possible.

So I'd just be in the rehearsal room, like watching her and being like, I can't wait to watch New York freak out over this woman because she's also like the kindest, most humble, most chill. So that is something I'm excited for. Um, but the rest of us were were like incredibly grateful to be there and also super scared of screwing it up because we all like loved the show from the first time around. I actually never got to see it, but I knew it. And it's you know, Tony Kushner and Janine Tessori, it's like terrifyingly brilliant. Legendary. Right. Yeah. And our directors are genius and lovely and young and soft spoken, but smart as hell, and like really gave us room to find stuff. So the rehearsal process was really cool in that way, but nerve-wracking.

And so I think I'm looking forward to kind of like revisiting the stress of rehearsals and tech on the other side of this thing, knowing that like we've done a little bit of it, so we can kind of re-enter, maybe a little bolder and a little more comfortable, even though we'll still be nervous and scared and all of those things that come along with opening a show. Um, but excited to share this with the audiences. And I think it's gonna hit people really hard, you know. It's a it's an intense show, obviously. Yeah, when I get as anytime, you know, yeah. And especially now. When I get really sad inside, I just think about what it's gonna be like to do a show in a theater again, you know. I especially that show, you're just gonna you're just uh I'm so excited for you.

[15:16] Joe Carroll: Um I have a question. You mentioned earlier you were navigating, I think your words were you were sort of navigating an esoteric uh artsy show while working on a commercial show. You've done lots of different kinds of shows like that. Can you speak to that a little bit more? Like you may have just been like generally making a comment, but do you feel like does your preparation change but uh doing something like Caroline or Change or playing an iconic role like Elsa?

[15:50] Caissie Levy: I don't know if my preparation changes, but it's definitely like a different headspace to be in. I sort of think it's so funny. Every time I sort of do an interview where I talk about like the shows I've done, I always find it funny that I've been in so many commercial pieces because I don't really think I'm that like commercial. But I found weird pockets, you know, over the years, and I know what it is to do and to carry like in a lot of senses, um, like a big glitzy, poppy musical. So I do feel slightly more comfortable in that arena than I do in the First Daughter Suite or the Caroline or Change. Um, because it's just been more of my like bread and butter. And I always feel like a heightened sense of like, am I up to the task when I'm doing a show that's a little left of center or like a little less commercial or a little smaller.

But um similar to First Daughter Suite with Caroline, it feels really exciting to be doing an ensemble piece because I do really love that. I love that about Hairspray, which was my Broadway debut after years of doing the Toronto Company first and the tour. I kind of worked my way to Broadway with that show. And I loved that there was obviously it's about Tracy, but like there's so many principal roles and all of the ensemble have these moments to shine. And so it always felt like a real ensemble piece to me. And so that is something I love about Caroline and something I also loved about First Daughter Suite that it didn't revolve around me, frankly. Yeah. I think I'm the kind of actor that's always balancing, being like, I want to play the starring role, but also like, don't look at me, let me fade into the background, let me be part of something else. And that's like my own brand of crazy. So I I've actually never related to anything more that I feel like I didn't know that there were other people that felt that way.

[17:43] Joe Carroll: Um, I totally get that. Okay, cool. I'm glad but you know, it's it's interesting. Yeah, sorry, Joe. It's interesting because watching you, I wouldn't necessarily brand you as commercial either. It's almost like I you know, I know I remember from talking to Brian Yusuf when they were putting Frozen together that they wanted that show to have a certain darkness and depth and not be glitzy and Disney-fied. And and then seeing you in the show, I think you were able to bring that as much as you could to you know the production at hand. And so that seems to be like your your brand is like bring grounded realism to like commercial Broadway. And you know I like that.

[18:23] Caissie Levy: Hey, you're my new agent. Um, no, that that actually makes sense. I do think that um that is probably what makes it work. Yeah, is like that. Um I definitely over the years have figured out, and this is like probably plunging forward a few questions that you guys have, but like that the um messy, vulnerable, yucky side is like actually the good stuff that people want to see.

[18:50] Joe Carroll: I'd say totally, totally when I was starting, I was like very I was psychotically ambitious and very single track minded, and like felt like everything has to be perfect, and I have to, you know, be shiny and fresh and um and that worked for a minute, but it also like didn't make me very happy, and then it was like when I started embracing the the mess a little bit more that I started to get the parts I really wanted to play, and then I started to feel really good about my work and and enjoy it day to day more than feel like I was um chasing this idea of like a version of myself I have to play, you know.

[19:26] Caissie Levy: You know? I don't know if 100%, a hundred percent. That's so interesting. Did that have anything to did did that come in in sort of tandem with certain jobs? Was there like, I mean, was there a bout of like unemployment or something that helped you lead to that, or was there a career shift or something that helped you lead to that? Or how did you sort of discover that?

[19:48] Caissie Levy: I think it's it's like a I think it's first of all just a getting older thing, you know, and like growing into who you are, sort of in a really broad sense. And then yes, I do think there were certain moments where I felt like I learned that lesson deeper and deeper. Like a lot of a lot of what um held me back at the beginning of my career, I feel like were my expectations, and then when they weren't met, mourning those things a little bit, or like if yeah, like my ideas of what it should be versus what it was was hard to remedy when I was younger. Um and I had time, I mean, I've had amazing experiences. I've been so so lucky, but that doesn't mean that they haven't been perfect, or but they have been perfect because they haven't. So um, yeah, I think some moments of that were like uh getting big jobs like alphabet after understudying it, and then finally having to leave and go have my vocal surgery to remove a cyst on my vocal cord was like, you know, I had had that cyst on there for years prior to that show, but that show, the load of singing that role just finally kind of broke me.

So that was like, wow, I've reached this pinnacle. Oh shit, now I'm falling down into this other sort of arena of like having to have this surgery and be scared about my future and what does that mean? And do I feel like does this mean I'm not worthy of the role or I can't do it? And all the mental stuff that comes with that, and then coming back from that and booking Hair and then having this like amazing experience with Hair and winning the Tony, and like we were, you know, the cool kids in town that season. And like we read I really uh felt so invested in in the cause of the show, both on stage and what we were doing off stage and that met family in that show, you know. And then after that, having Ghost and having it be tumultuous, moving to the UK alone, trying to be this like version of a leading lady I thought I needed to be, not really finding my footing, but like learning a lot about my voice and having a great time vocally, which felt great, but also emotionally being sort of like lonesome, bringing it back to New York, having New York basically hate the show, you know.

So it was like a lot of a lot of highs and lows. Um I think somewhere in those highs and lows is where I figured out that I didn't have to like have all the answers, and it was okay to fall apart sometimes, and it was also okay to feel triumphant when I did feel good. Um, and I kind of came into my own power by embracing the vulnerable stuff, and that's why I think like the last couple shows I've done, I've enjoyed more than any of the other shows from my career because I've been able to like breathe a little bit. So again, it's like a little bit of age, it's a little bit of experience, it's a little bit of the good things happening and a little bit of the bad things happening, and then just sort of being like, ah, fuck it, this is who I am.

[22:47] Joe Carroll: I love that. Because I wondered too Hair, because Hair is so like Hair is so messy and so cool.

[22:55] Caissie Levy: Yeah.

[22:55] Joe Carroll: Like I wondered if there was any of that, like, no, actually, you get to be kind of as like unwashed as possible. And and the universe is gonna be like, oh yeah, you're the cool kids and you're the coolest kids in town that year.

[23:08] Caissie Levy: Yeah. I mean, Hair was so transformative for me because um I always wanted to do that show. And then uh watching, like from a learning perspective, I learned so much from Will and um Gavin, you know, who became my family and watching them lead a production and watching them navigate the press stuff and the the buzz around them and the Tony stuff and showing up eight shows a week and delivering those performances. Like I really it was a master class just watching the two of them and then having probably the most talented ensemble I've ever worked with. I mean, not probably for sure, just because everybody in that show was a freaking star, like everyone was so individual and so weird and wonderful, and like brought so such cool elements of who they were to the piece that I learned how to do that more as an actor too, like to be less afraid of what I just had inside.

Um that was a big moment for me for sure. Cause I still like I got to play the lead and sing like the leading girl or whatever and like sing a big song or three, but like I didn't have to carry it like Will and Gavin. And I could like, you know, during the big group numbers, go dance upstage and hide for the second, and that felt good.

[24:19] Caissie Levy: And then I could come down and be like, okay, it's my turn to be centered but then I can run away again, you know. So it like really had that good balance.

[24:27] Dan Tracy: Right.

[24:27] Caissie Levy: Um, so that was a big learning one for sure. That's interesting. Do you think do you think that your this idea of how you bring yourself to work is has something has like really caught my attention recently. Do you feel like that is something that you are calculating, or is it more just about kind of being present and letting go?

[24:50] Caissie Levy: I think it's a little bit of both. I think I have to remind myself to do that when I feel scared, which is often. So like I think it's I think it's really hard for actors to take up space and feel like it's okay to do that in general. I think it's extra hard for women because so many of the people in charge are usually men, and it just adds a dynamic, especially young women around whom a lot of these shows are centered. It's can it can be really hard to be like, hey, I have a problem with this, or uh, can I try this instead and not feel like you have to apologize in the preamble? So I'm already going sideways on answering this.

[25:41] Caissie Levy: Um I do think that when I especially when I'm scared is when I sort of get myself a talkie to. And then I go home to my support system, like my incredible husband, who like I truly would not have this career without him keeping me sane. Um, and just being there, just there. Like there have been times he's come, there were times in Lay Miz where like six months in, I had this bout of stage fright that I've never had in my entire career. And he would literally just come sit in the dressing room while I did the show, and it just made me okay because I was like, my husband's in the last room. So like having that support uh then would allow me to like speak up when I needed to. Um but it is so it is something that uh I do on purpose, but I think that it's getting easier to do, not on purpose the more I do it, you know?

[26:26] Dan Tracy: Oh yeah.

[26:27] Caissie Levy: It's something like when I'm tea I teach a lot now, like I coach a lot. And um for a long time I resisted that, like years and years I resisted that because I used to think like, oh, these actors that teach, like what do they have to offer? Like I'm never gonna, you know. But it it wasn't until a few years ago where I was like, oh, I think I I think I could maybe help some people do some things. And now I don't feel like a fraud doing it. Um I actually love it. And I I it's the thing I always try to tell the young ones that are starting because I wish someone had told me that that like you're not in competition with other people, like your own weird is good and like all of that stuff.

[26:59] Caissie Levy: Um yeah, like be weird, not write, you know, all of that kind of stuff that you don't even really know what that means because when you're younger, you don't even really know who you are. So I think that's kind of the thing that I'm curious about how that works for people because you know, that's how I've always felt. I've been like, I wanted to do my own thing and be my own thing, but for a long time I was just chasing what everybody was telling me to be.

[27:22] Dan Tracy: Yes, I feel like I know you guys are a tiny bit, tiny bit younger than I am, I think. But like I felt like when I was in drama school, it was a lot about like this is your type, these are your roles, this is the thing, fall in line. And I think now it's shifting, which is good. I feel like people are like, well, yeah, I sing legit, but I'm also singer-songwriter. And like, so I'll sing glitter and be gay, but I'll also like sit down and sing your Gina Specter song and accompany myself on piano. And like these people come and coach with me, and I'm like, you are so cool. Like I wish I knew I was allowed to um harness that in myself, you know.

[27:56] Caissie Levy: So I think the lines are blurring a bit, and there's a little less like static spots for people.

[28:02] Dan Tracy: Yeah, I think we're starting to see people. I mean, when Joan Joe and I went to drama school together, which the listeners know, but you may not know. And I was a year after Joe, and we basically did the same exact rep our whole time there. They were like, you guys are the same. And then the minute we graduated, we ba basically never auditioned for the same thing. Now it's come back around because there are, you know, their specific moments where we fit into the same thing, but we know how different we are.

[28:29] Caissie Levy: And I think what the business has done in the last since our teachers, our drama school teachers were in the business, is that people who are uniquely themselves are the ones who are being pushed to the top. The people who have something that no one has seen before is the thing that we're chasing, as opposed to this is the guy who's gonna play every baritone role. This is the guy who's gonna play every tenor, you know, this is the girl who sings legit. It's like they want to see people do stuff, you know.

[28:58] Dan Tracy: Totally.

[28:59] Caissie Levy: I totally, yeah. I mean, we hope that's where it's headed.

[29:03] Dan Tracy: It's kind of headed that way, and we hope it keeps going that way.

[29:05] Caissie Levy: Yeah, I think you're right. I think that it is. I mean, I think it's also not just been in theater that that's happening. That seems to be happening in TV and film too. And um, and even just like the crossover of all the theater actors booking TV shows and like big TV shows or like getting record deals and stuff. Like it's starting to be almost like back in Judy Garland's times, where like if you were a big star, you were a big star everywhere.

[29:29] Dan Tracy: Right.

[29:29] Caissie Levy: So that's kind of fun that people have those options open to them more now.

[29:33] Dan Tracy: For sure.

[29:35] Caissie Levy: I I I love that. And I had a question about you uh from a music perspective, because I mean the the nerdiest part of it is just I think that you have one of the most remarkable instruments of anyone I've ever heard. The Let It Go was perfect every night, uh, blah, blah, blah. We all I I know that you you know that you don't know that. Um I'm rambling. My question here is about the question is about is is there's there's a there's a compliment in there. I I love you, but also musically speaking. Um I feel like you have you're like a rock star to everything you were just saying about the voice and about singing, and you glared and be gay and and Regina Specter. I feel like you're a rock star that is also trapped and not even trapped in the essence of a of a you know of I don't know, pick your soprano that you love. I wonder about your influences from a music perspective. Like, how did you how did you get to where you are as a as a rock and roll lover in musical theater as well?

[30:49] Caissie Levy: Thank you for all those things you said. Um, I am a music nerd. I always was. I used to skip school and go to concerts. I I've seen Radiohead and concert like six times, I think. I was a big alternative nirvana, REM, Pearl Jam. That was like my high school experience. So um, not a lot of women in there, but then um my oldest brother Josh has like maybe the best music taste of anybody I know. He's seven years older than me. So I also grew up like hearing Madonna and Annie Lennox and Aretha and like weird dance music, and um, and then all of this alternative stuff blasting from his room. So I felt like I had the um advantage of being the youngest kid and my two older brothers, like my first concert was REM, and they took me to see them, and it was just like so cool.

[31:37] Caissie Levy: Um so uh that is sort of that's what I kind of knew, and then I did plays growing up, and then I like sang in a good jazz band in high school but like a cool one like a trio like where people could still smoke inside and stuff that much cooler than us Joe.

[31:52] Dan Tracy: Much cooler so much cooler.

[31:56] Caissie Levy: I was trying to be you know I right I could recognize what was cool and I was like oh I should like sing in a jazz trio because that would be cool. But like I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I just you know learned some jazz standards. So like that was my musical world and then I knew like Lamez and Rent and I knew Phantom of the opera but I knew I couldn't sing like that so I was not that interested in it. Um and that's like what I knew when I went into drama school so I didn't know like the fifth I wasn't the musical theater person that had all the albums and knew about like Bernadette and Patty LePone like I knew Evita obviously like I wasn't living under a rock but I certainly didn't have those lyrics memorized and like so that's sort of like how I approached it and it was in working over the years that I came to really like understand a bit more about musical theater and start to listen to people that became idols for me.

[32:48] Caissie Levy: Like I remember how rocked I was by Sutton Foster singing gimme gimme on the Rosie O'Donnell show when I was still in high school I was like who is that what is she doing? Like I always loved Broadway I just didn't know a lot about the trivia of it and the people involved in making it so when I heard like people like Sutton singer I saw Audre before I saw her in ragtime before it went to Broadway when it was out of town in Toronto because I grew up just outside of Toronto and I was like, who what is happening? Who is that person? You know, right.

[33:19] Dan Tracy: So those were big vocal influences once I started singing theater music. But it wasn't till I I had graduated and was like doing rent on the road and doing eight shows a week that I sort of found where I lived within that and like where my voice sat and how to use it. And um, like I always had natural vocal ability, and I took voice lessons with different people over the years, but I wasn't um it wasn't like tied up in a bow. I feel like over the course of working is how I found my instrument and like made it like fine-tuned it. And ghost was a big turning point for me with my voice, because I had I had just done alphabet a couple years prior, had the vocal problems, felt really damaged, actually. And then, but like knew I could still sing those notes and knew they were somewhere in there. I just didn't find them comfortably. And then with Ghost, it just felt it just felt like it was my voice. Like it was written around me a little bit in the final moments, you know.

[34:19] Caissie Levy: But um it just was like a great match. And that's when I really started to find like, oh, now I know what my mix is. Like I finally know what my mix is. It really wasn't till ghost. Um and that has carried me forward. And and so I'm always like telling people, you know, you can be like a bit of a late bloomer, you can still be working and achieving and learning, but like you don't really stop learning, like, or you don't, yeah, you don't stop learning because that was a big massive moment for me. And ghost was like my fourth or something Broadway show. So, you know, did that answer anything you just talked about?

[34:53] Dan Tracy: Well, I didn't, I didn't actually ask a good question. There was no question.

[34:57] Caissie Levy: I don't think there were I don't think that I I used a verb for like a minute while I was just rambling on, but that's a great that's awesome.

[35:03] Dan Tracy: I I I love I love to hear that. Was there a teacher or anybody that helped you rehab from the surgery and all that?

[35:09] Caissie Levy: Yeah, yeah. There were a few. So when I was in LA, I was working with Eric Vitro, who's a genius, he's sort of like the guy in LA. And he was very helpful amidst all of my issues, trying to continue to sing Alphabet when I it was like running a marathon with a rock in your shoe, essentially. So he helped he helped keep me in the show and navigate around the hemorrhaging and around the stress and the pain and stuff. And then after as well, because I had the surgery out in LA. And then when I came back to New York, I worked a little bit with Joan Later, who's also a genius, and she was amazing and kind of bridged that gap for me. And then eventually I found my way to Liz Kaplan when I was doing I think murder ballad. Or maybe just after, right around there.

[35:55] Caissie Levy: And she became like kind of a soul sister. She's she's just like somebody who I just I'm the kind of person whose voice teacher needs to be like a therapist. So like Yep. Yep, same, same. You have to like find, I always tell people like, don't worry if your voice teacher isn't the fanciest in town. You just have to find the person you can cry and laugh with in that session, and then that's your person. And that's what Liz is for me. She's like, we're we like our cosmically connected, we laugh a lot, we're both like geeks for techniques.

[36:22] Caissie Levy: So we like to play with little vowels and things and um have fun together. And she's kind of guided me ever since. So she's sort of my person now.

[36:31] Joe Carroll: That's so cool.

[36:32] Caissie Levy: I love that. I think one of the things that I just I before we move on, I I have to highlight this idea of uh being a late bloomer and all of that stuff, because I think it's so important what you said, and I just wanted to frame it for people again because I think it's like the thing about what takes your career from one Broadway show to six Broadway shows is this idea that you like you know you have to keep learning, you know it's okay. Um, for people who don't have a lot of musical influences now or don't know a lot about Broadway cool keep learning you know there's a reason I didn't couldn't sing legit when I was 20 but now like I can sing legit kind of so crazy you know like we can keep improving and keep growing um totally you know which I think is worth uh definitely worth mentioning again.

[36:58] Joe Carroll: Definitely is there some kind of resource or book or person or class that you find so invaluable that you would recommend it to somebody else?

[36:58] Caissie Levy: Yeah um I would say well I mean yeah we're getting like nerdy actory here but um I love true and false David Mamet's book it's genius it's short it's I haven't read that book in a long time I should I I want to go back and reread it.

[37:47] Joe Carroll: Yeah I should too because I remember when I first read it I was like oh my god this is blowing my mind um so I I love that um if you're ever looking for a good film class I think you've taken with him Joe maybe too both have but um Bob Krakow is the best and oh yeah good in releasing uh especially theater actors hang ups about being on camera so like great and I'm just a great dude.

[38:11] Caissie Levy: Yeah really we're big big champions of his he's the worst we're big Bob Krakow people and yeah yeah he's amazing.

[38:20] Caissie Levy: I would say like my biggest teacher has not been like a single like method or person really, but has um been watching the people in I'm in shows with and kind of like like finding that person in the room who I want to be like who seems to navigate um their part on stage but their part offstage well. And I watched them and learn from them, and especially when I was starting out, like that's really what I did not as a strategy, just sort of happened that way, but luckily I had all these amazing like leaders of companies to learn from.

[39:04] Joe Carroll: And so I think you're an amazing leader of a company.

[39:07] Caissie Levy: I mean, just standing there, like you what whoever you were learning from we we felt it at the St. James.

[39:15] Joe Carroll: So yeah, thanks for saying that.

[39:17] Caissie Levy: And I I really wasn't always good at that. Like, I think I mentioned when I went over to the UK with Ghost, like I was like, oh no, okay. I'm like, this is a crazy job to get. I'm the only American, even though I'm Canadian, but you know what I mean. I'm the only person from over here, and like it's the girl and Demi Moore, and I'm coming from Broadway, so I better effing prove that I deserve to be over there. And I sort of like put on the clothes of the leading lady, and I think I went like a step too far, and I actually hid a lot of my like vulnerabilities and my worries and stuff because I thought they were bad, and instead I tried to like brave my way through it, and I think it made me feel more isolated.

[39:56] Caissie Levy: So that was a huge learning experience, too. The like, oh no, okay. I had to sort of overcorrect and then come back and um yeah, it's so interesting. Now I'm hearing myself say this stuff, and like I think we are not taught as much as we should be while we're in our theater programs that who we are is so much of why we get cast, and like it is also so much of our um, it will be such a big player in our day to day happiness in being in this business. Because you do have to still want to be in it every day to do it because it can be really tough right yeah so it's really about finding those good people to look to and like those people that are just a little bit in front of you and I feel like I've come into contact with so many people that have shared it with me you know people that were ahead of me like I remember when I took over for Eden Espinoza and in Wicked she took me up to lunch she talked me through it like she was there for me even though we were new to each other.

[40:59] Caissie Levy: And then I've always tried to do that when people come in and replace me or are on my understudies or whatever because I've been an understudy so I know what that is like and I know how scary and like vulnerable that is so I think it's just important that we share those things with each other and I feel like most of the experiences I've had have been full of people doing things like that, which is I guess lucky.

[41:22] Joe Carroll: Wow yeah yeah yeah I luck but also like I think you if you're looking for it and you know if you're available to receive that then it's gonna be you know if you were closed off to it you might never see that it was there. You know I mean I don't know but I just know from personal experience from walking into the St. James on the first day and there's a bottle of champagne with a with a note from Casey Levy and Patti Murin saying welcome to the building to you know to the last night I wanted to ask you just um you know because we're kind of getting to the end uh what do you remember about closing night about frozen cursor.

[42:01] Caissie Levy: I remember all of it.

[42:02] Joe Carroll: What do you remember?

[42:03] Caissie Levy: Do you remember in your body? I remember I remember um crying. Uh I remember entrance of I remember crying. I remember um everybody getting entrance applause. I thought that was very cool. I remember a semi-standing ovation at the end of um first time in forever, and that was like I couldn't handle it. And so I started crying then. And Patty and I were both crying and we fell in the ice cart. But I remember standing in the wings watching you sing Let It Go for the last time. And one of my top five theatrical memories. Unbelievable rock concert. Like it was crazy. It was one of the coolest things ever. That's what I remember. What do you remember?

[42:46] Joe Carroll: I remember that stuff. I remember feeling so happy. I think I was like, I think I got out a lot of the sad and the like, oh, this chapter's closing stuff in the weeks leading up to it.

[42:58] Caissie Levy: Yeah.

[42:58] Joe Carroll: And I also had the benefit of having having to put my brain in Carolina change. So that allowed me to separate just like a little more emotionally safely. But um, but I had I mean Frozen was such a great experience, like top to bottom for me, that um I just had I was so happy and like so able to enjoy it as it was happening, which is not usually how I've been on closing nights. Usually it feels like you know, your wedding or whatever, where you're just like, What you you know, you you get to the end of it and you're like, what the fuck just happened? But I was like, I was watching it happen and thanking each chapter of like each scene and each song, and being like, Love you bye, love you bye, to the last people, you know, to the like the bits I had in the wings, like you and me before monster, like our bits, you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah.

[43:47] Caissie Levy: Um, I was like sort of having them and then like releasing them, and I didn't even cry that day, which is so weird because I am a big crier, but we also know Patti Murin is a big crier, and when Patty cries, I tend to go the opposite and like hold down the fort. That's just our our dynamic. So I knew she would be like a hot mess, and she was. I gotta I gotta be the solid one. And um, and so I think that was also part of me not like losing losing my mind. But I yeah, I just kept looking at all the people that we'd worked with and the fans that all came out and went crazy for all of us like that. And I just felt really happy and grateful.

[44:28] Caissie Levy: Yeah. So it was it was a wonderful night.

[44:31] Joe Carroll: It was a wonderful night.

[44:32] Caissie Levy: That's so cool though to hear you say that, you know, just Elsa and Anna to the end. Just Patty and Patty and Casey to the end. Like Casey's gonna hold it down, Patty's gonna blubber.

[44:43] Joe Carroll: It was really yeah.

[44:44] Caissie Levy: It's so funny because like in my personal life, I am that crazy emotional person, and David, my husband, is the solid one. So he doesn't get the luxury of being emotional a lot of the time because I'm just so emotional for all of us. Um, and so I feel like I carried that dynamic into my friendship with Patty on stage and off too. Where it's awesome. And I say that with like all the love because I'm totally, you know, all over the place. But um, but yeah, we did have that. We sort of did fall into those roles off stage too, which is funny.

[45:13] Joe Carroll: That's so cool.

[45:14] Caissie Levy: That's so cool. Um, one thing that you I just I was I didn't even realize that you had released this, but there you did this cover of You Walk With Me.

[45:22] Caissie Levy: Yeah, the full Monty that is on Spotify right now. That is one of the coolest arrangements of anything ever. Who who's playing guitar?

[45:29] Caissie Levy: This was all done during the quarantine. It was even just done like two months ago. It's this Broadway lullabies album. So Aaron Lazar um recruited a bunch of Broadway parents to sing lullabies of Broadway songs, turn these arrangements into it, make arrangements of Broadway songs into lullabies. And um he worked with Travis Howard and Austin Cook, and it all happened during the pandemic. So I think I recorded it in my um in this house I'm staying in and like uh at midnight when all the kids were asleep because we're staying with family and there's other children, and it's insanely loud all the time. So I was like in the middle of the night.

[46:04] Caissie Levy: Um and I just emailed with with those guys um back and forth about, you know, I gave them they said like send us a few songs you would maybe want to do on the album. Till there was you as my first choice because I actually do sing that to Isaiah at night often. But Aaron had watched Oh, I love that. Yeah, I was like, oh, I'll do like a classic leading lady, like you know, and then he had already done it, and I was like, Oh, okay. Um but I love the full Monty, it's one of my favorite shows.

[46:33] Caissie Levy: Yeah, so that song is so beautiful, and I like the idea of repurposing it from like a funeral song to more of a like a parent to a child, I'll always be with you, you'll always be with me, kind of thing. So I just said, can we do something that's a little acoustic rock like my albums? Like, can we make it sort of um folky and yummy and not belty and just sort of small? And then I think Austin wrote back and was like, I'm thinking some banjo, and I was like, yes, totally. So they just came up with the arrangement and sent it to me, and I thought it was beautiful, and I just recorded it, sent it back.

[47:07] Joe Carroll: That's so cool.

[47:08] Caissie Levy: We'll check it out, check it out, every everybody. It's on Spotify and everywhere else. Um, and also I just I also want to ask about music in general, recording music in general. You've you've you've you've recorded albums, you've sung in bands and Rod Stewart, right? Wasn't that who it was?

[47:23] Caissie Levy: Rod Stewart, yes. That is a whole insane chapter that I can speak to very fast, which is just that Yeah, my the girl that played Joanne opposite my Maureen on the Non Eck Tour, the Non Ek Networks Tour rent in 2000 2002. My first job out of college, I was 20. She has been singing backup for Rod for years.

[47:49] Caissie Levy: And just Rod, you know, Rod yeah. Sir Rod Stewart. And I had just had Isaiah, and I was he was four months old, and she sent me a message and was like, hey, one of the three girls is leaving the band. And this band has been together for like they they played for him for like 10, 15 years. Nobody leaves because it's such a great gig and they love him and it's so fun. She's like, Do you want to put yourself on tape? And sent me like all this backup choreo that I completely panicked over. Like I hadn't danced since hairspray. And I was also postpartum and like very hormonal and um also convinced I was never gonna work again because I always think I'm never getting another job.

[48:30] Caissie Levy: Um of course, yeah. So I was like, okay. And so I figured out how to learn this choreography that totally intimidated me, and sent a singing sample in, and then I got the job and went to Vegas and sang backup for him for two months, I think three months, um, with my baby, and without David, because he was teaching, so we brought a nanny and me and the baby, and then I like put on like a shimmy dress and was like, ooh, and like doing all this like sexy stuff, and it was just and I was convinced I was not gonna be able to pull that job off, but it actually ended up being a massive um, um I don't know, like uplifting moment for me. Like it kind of launched me back into the business post kid, which I needed something to make me feel like no, you can still do this.

Totally. But yes, super random and amazing. Um, he was wild, the coolest person to work for, and it was so fun to be like backing up this superstar, and none of all of them are like, you oh, you do Broadway, like they didn't give a shit about my Broadway career in like it was just like some girl like in a shimmy dress, you know, in high heels, just like it was a blast and very random. I just love it.

[49:42] Joe Carroll: Are you trying to make more music? Is that something that you'd see in the future?

[49:45] Caissie Levy: So making albums and doing you know, just singing and making records more. I mean, I love recording, I love it so much. It's like one of my happiest spots, I think. And um I really loved making my first album, but sort of similar to the teaching thing, like I didn't make an album till I really felt like I had something to say or like really wanted to and had a burning desire to do it. So I haven't had the the like need to make my own album again, but I've done singles and little bits and pieces here and there, and that's always made me really creatively happy. So I think I will do more of that for sure. And I love singing like just in concert. I do a lot of concert work now, and I really enjoy that, but I think ultimately it's really about the eight shows a week on stage.

You know, I'd like to say it isn't because it would be kind of easier. And now I'm gonna have two kids and try to do this and like not be home at bedtime. And actually, this pandemic has just been such a gift in again in an awful way, you know. But like it's been amazing to be home to put my son to bed every night, give him bath every night, give him dinner, be the person that's tucking him in, and uh it'll be hard to go back to eight shows a week after that. But it is where I feel the happiest and like the most like the actor that I am.

[51:05] Dan Tracy: I know you guys are late because I can see it on your faces while we're chatting. I know you feel definitely.

[51:10] Caissie Levy: And I that I just I love that. That makes me so happy and excited for you, like as your friend and uh also as a fan. That like it's coming. It's back, it's coming back. It will be here. You know, and with some necessary changes, you know.

[51:27] Joe Carroll: Yes, yes, because things need to change.

[51:29] Caissie Levy: That's that's wonderful. That's a whole other podcast conversation about that. But we've been yelling into the void about that since since April at least.

[51:38] Joe Carroll: Yeah, yeah. Um yeah. Um, a couple more things, and then we swear that we'll let you go. Tell him I hear Z, I hear Z in the background a little bit. I love him.

[51:46] Caissie Levy: Uh but also like having him at the show and getting to watch him watch you from the wings. Dan, he would stand in the wings and watch his mom be Elsa. Like, actually, it's it was so amazing. I will never get over that. I will never ever get over having had that experience and been Elsa when I had a kid. It's just nuts. Yesterday we watched Frozen 2 because we woke up to snow, and so it was snowman. Do you want to build a snowman? And he's you know, we put on Frozen 2, and he's like, There you are. Like he's still I'm still Elsa to him, which is that is so awesome. Yeah, he still sleeps with his Elsa doll every night. Like he's oh my gosh. He puts on his cousin Hannah's dress and gets her wand and a crown and does the coronation. I'm not even kidding, did it last week with her? He was like, Elsa, Queen of Arundel, and like crowned her. Like he just really loves it still. But yeah, he'd be in the wings and I would just be weeping.

[52:46] Joe Carroll: Yeah.

[52:46] Caissie Levy: Yeah. Oh my gosh. It was just a little nugget. Oh, I love it. Um, well, just a few more things. We'll let you go. We swear to God. Um, what's your favorite musical, favorite musical, most influential musical in your life?

[52:57] Caissie Levy: Oh god. Oh gosh. Um maybe most influential we like, like, you know, because that could be something from the early days, you know, something that's okay. So like my first answer probably is lame is because I saw that at eight and was like, I want to be Cosette. Why am I not Cosette? Who is that bitch on stage? And um, I never thought I'd get to do it. So then when I was casting it and was doing it, that whole thing was surreal the entire time. Because that was like my generation's show. It was really lame is. Um, and then it was like rent was our Hamilton. So I remember being at like Jewish summer camp singing rent with my friends, and then for that to be my first job out of school was also insane.

So those two, like those parallels were wild for me. Um, but then like I also knew randomly, like I didn't know all of these um artsy fartsy shows, but I knew falsettos because my parents my parents used to take a yearly trip to New York and see a bunch of theater, and they would always see the weird off off Broadway stuff. And so they brought back the tape and they would play it in the car, and it was like so much of my existence. It was like this weird hybrid of music, musical theater, Judaism, which is like weird, um, to hear in a show, like people singing about it was just like I was like, what is this magical musical? And contemporary, it's not like you know, it's not like like like the uh like feather on the roof or something.

It's like, wait, this is all this is right now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and like my oldest brother Josh is gay. He came out when I was 10. A little older, maybe no, around that that age. So, and that's when I was hearing that show for the first time. So it was like Jewish gay people who are singing. I grew up in Canada, I didn't know what Broadway was. I was like, this Broadway must be amazing. Because it just sort of like ticked all these boxes and I like related to Falsettos, even though it's like about AIDS, you know. Right. So that in itself is hilarious, but um that show was a big influence on me too. Um and cool. And then like I said, that Satan foster on on Rosie O'Donnell, like I've told this to her many times, but that that changed things for me. Seeing her and then seeing that show eventually was a big one.

[55:08] Joe Carroll: That's awesome.

[55:09] Caissie Levy: That's what I want to do. It's like your version of the Beatles on Ed Sullivan or something. Like, like, what is happening?

[55:16] Joe Carroll: That's so cool.

[55:17] Caissie Levy: Um, and then the question we ask everybody towards the end, it's the we we call it the unreachable star question, which is like what what you're pointed towards way in the horizon, something you'd love to accomplish.

[55:30] Caissie Levy: I mean, I I would love to do more TV. I really like it. Um, and I know Joe, you know so much about that. I've done just a bit, and um, I would love to do something that's like sort of uh like an HBO dramedy weird girl who maybe happens to sing a little bit, but it's not the center of the plot. That's the kind of part I'm looking for. Yeah, um, and that would be really cool, you know, just something that's like got a big enough budget to not be totally indie but feels indie. You know. So yeah, if I could if I could forge my way towards something like that, that would be cool. But um, I also feel like I'm very happy for what I've done. And I feel like each job that we all do sort of leads to the next and leads to the next.

So I've never been somebody who has like my dream roles, you know. I've never had the like Barbastreisen role I'm dying to play, even though my parents are always like, say funny girl. I'm like, I don't, I don't have so I don't have too much planning in that regard. I just really like how things tend to play out, and it's nice to um work with people that make you feel good. So that's the other big goal is just to always keep like, especially now after this time in our world. I feel like all of us are are very aware of our time and we want to do things that feel worthy of taking the time away from the people we love. Yeah, and that make you feel like like a good about yourself and good about your art. So I would just like more of that, please.

[57:03] Joe Carroll: Yeah, totally 100%. We're gonna do something eight times a week for two years. You want it to be something that you feel like I'm glad I did this thing.

[57:11] Caissie Levy: Yeah, and like I'm having fun every day with the people that I'm doing it with, which is what frozen was, don't you think, Joe? Like we had some fun.

[57:17] Joe Carroll: It it really, it really was. And yeah, I could go on and on about that company, but it was just like it was just so many pros. It felt like a bunch of people. It was not a lot of like, not that getting your Broadway debut means that you're necessarily just a total rookie, but it was like people who had been in the business. They all had their lives outside of the show. It was a great job. It was a great job for, you know, families loved it, people went nuts for it. But it was just like everybody had a super healthy relationship with musical theater.

[57:51] Caissie Levy: That's what I that's what it felt like.

[57:52] Joe Carroll: Yeah, and not a lot of egos, you know, just a lot of like yeah yeah it was it was good good vibes in that building for sure yeah well caroliner change and here we it's just something to look forward to it'll be cool yeah casey where can people find you oh you know the usual uh the oh yeah on the interweb that's right Instagram and and the Twitter sometimes usually it's just political stuff but every now and then I tweet something about musicals. Um and yeah those are the best places and then yeah if you want to hear some of my songs you know you can find them floating around Spotify and and our cast albums really yeah yeah yeah that's it yeah awesome absolutely absolutely oh my gosh uh I feel like a little bummed that this is sort of a one-sided conversation because I sort of want to turn the roles around now and find out all of your answers to these questions because you know um I think that's all the time we have today on well you'll just have to come back and play host we'd be awesome oh my gosh totally that would be really fun well we're it's we're nearly enough I'm sure listeners want to hear these answers from you guys like how many how many have you done now uh this is 70 ish well depending yeah 70 ish yeah that's insane yeah it's been it's been awesome we did we did one of those episodes a while ago last January yeah but we maybe do one we should do another one I actually want to start like having people back like we talk to you now you're about to be mom times two and a year from now you're gonna be mom times two starring in other Broadway show you know so it's like getting that Tony nomination and we're gonna have you back yes we're gonna have you back and have you back we're gonna talk about it no that's what I mean so so we'll do all that too.

[59:40] Joe Carroll: We'll we'll have it um you know yeah yeah we'll we'll check back in. We're not uh none of us are going anywhere. Like we never find each other.

[59:45] Caissie Levy: So I know. Well you're the best.

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