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[0:05] Rich Hawkins: Hi everybody. This is the cheerful intro you're all expecting. Obviously, it's not going to be delivered today because we're all in mourning. It's a national mourning. Interesting that the Crown just dropped the first four episodes with Diana because I feel like we're all feeling that once again with the loss of our Leah. Moment of silence, I think. Such an awkward segue to then introduce my fabulous guest. But we're gonna pick up the energy and we'll come back. We'll come back to Leah. I'm no mourning, I didn't like it, I'm joking. Today we have a super fan of the reality TV West End competition format. Musical Theatre X Factor, baby. Yeah, musical theatre for X Factor, a Britain's Got Talent super fan, and Amanda Holden Stan. Tiana Biscuit, hiya babe.

[0:54] Tiana Biscuit: Hello my darling, how are you?

[0:56] Rich Hawkins: Oh yeah. Alright, how are you?

[0:57] Tiana Biscuit: I am doing good.

[0:59] Rich Hawkins: I thought this is a bit of Mamma Mia.

[1:01] Tiana Biscuit: It is quite Mamma Mia, yeah.

[1:07] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, a little bit like turquoise, a little bit I've come off the wall at the Novello Theatre.

[1:12] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, it's very that. Or it's also quite um that bit where I don't think you're gonna do it in the show, but in the movie when Meryl's on the cliff sort of flinging a load of fabrics around singing to Pierce Brosnan, you know that bit?

[1:23] Rich Hawkins: Absolutely, which I actually think that's how they should have got rid of the contestants.

[1:28] Tiana Biscuit: I mean obviously there's a lack of like flying bubbles, but I think they should just like suspend them off of a cliff.

[1:33] Rich Hawkins: I thought that too. Kick them off a cliff.

[1:35] Tiana Biscuit: With just like red making them sing.

[1:39] Rich Hawkins: So much fun. I thought they should all be in dungarees, right? Different coloured dungarees, and kick them off a cliff.

[1:45] Tiana Biscuit: Well, I'm a super fan of this podcast as well. I have to confess I have watched every single web episode.

[1:50] Rich Hawkins: Uh well listen to.

[1:51] Tiana Biscuit: But um yeah, when you took out I was like, oh yeah, there's a lack of um like cohesiveness in their outfits. They don't have the like the red or on the pin. I'd actually been emailing back and forth the other day with uh Maria and she describes herself every email she signs off with just like thanks so much, best regards, the blue one. I'm like, that is beautiful.

[2:07] Rich Hawkins: That's so camp.

[2:12] Tiana Biscuit: Beautiful work. Yeah, Mamma Mia is missing that. Um, so I know why you're here because you and I were DMing on TikTok about your love for these shows. But for these listeners, tell me about your relationship with these West End X Factor shows.

[2:27] Tiana Biscuit: So uh it was the first one I remember watching like fully all the way through. I remember watching the Joseph and the Maria one, but it wasn't till I saw Jodie Prenger on that screen, starring as Nancy. I fell in love, one with musical theatre, like genuinely, I've told Jodie this. I credit her for like I don't even know if I would do drag if I would do musical theatre if I hadn't watched that programme. Genuinely it's sort of like I mean I liked musicals from a young age, but then on the I know that Jake, the 31st of May 2008 is when well it's also my my sixth birthday, Jodie Prenger won, and I remember being like this woman, I've I I'm in love with you. I just and then obviously I watched the Over the Rainbow one as well, but Nancy is when I fell in love with musical theatre altogether, honestly.

[3:16] Rich Hawkins: Um I have so many things to unpack there. Um You share a birthday with the birth of a musical legend.

[3:23] Tiana Biscuit: Well the career of a musical legend in Jodie. Have you ever met Jodie Prenger?

[3:27] Tiana Biscuit: I've met Jodie many, many times. So I first of all met her when I saw her. My mum took me to see Calamity Jane at Wimbledon Theatre. I've I begged my mum to take me to see her in Spamalot and Oliver. Never, never, never did. Um I also begged her to just take me to see Hannah Waddingham at the Palladium in Wizard of Oz, but she never did as well. And I will hold that against her. But no, so she took me, I was like, it's Jodie Prenger, right in front of my eyes. And met her backstage, and uh met her at stage door, she was so lovely, she was so wonderful. And then I can't remember the next show I saw her in. Basically, I've just she's she's basically seen me grow up as I've seen her career go on.

Um so like she's the message me, asked about my family, but then like obviously as I became a drag queen, she has a production company, so I've I've done like this pilot episode thing with her. She invited me up to Manchester to film this uh drag come dine with me thingy. I it's coming out, they're they're coming out for you and far between, but me and Sophia and River do an episode together, so that should come out soon. Um, but no, so I yeah, I know Jodie now, which is um incredible.

[4:39] Rich Hawkins: Is she to be honest? Jodie is the reason I love these shows.

[4:43] Tiana Biscuit: She's the reason I do this podcast. I love her so much. She's just is she an absolute babe in real life?

[4:49] Rich Hawkins: Absolute babe.

[4:50] Tiana Biscuit: Like she's so honestly, like uh it's sort of become a thing that me and my mum will go see her in these shows. Like we've gone to the most random parts of Surrey to see her, and she's always like she always makes high for me, she always comes out from chat for like ages. She's honestly an angel, and she's like supported me. Like I've got a I'm planning one woman's show, like she's wrote me like lovely quotes to put on the posters for my show. Like, she's honestly just an angel, and I'm so grateful because I genuinely do not think that I would like be sitting here as a drag queen if it wasn't for first my love of musical theatre, and second my love of musical, my love of drag came from my love of musical theatre.

[5:29] Rich Hawkins: Yeah. Have you ever done a Jodie number?

[5:31] Tiana Biscuit: I have. Have you not seen it? I posted it on TikTok a couple of days ago. But Jodie said, because Jodie has been one of my snatch game characters that I've ordered from you for years. I'll show you after. And she actually said if I ever got on, she would lend me her dresses.

[5:45] Rich Hawkins: Oh my god, that would be everything.

[5:48] Tiana Biscuit: She's like, babes, I if you tell me you're on, I will give you my dresses. I mean, I wouldn't fit into them, but I could like be like, oh, it's Jodie Prenger's dress.

[5:57] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, but when you know that that awkward bit where he does the like walk around and pretends not to know who you're doing.

[6:02] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, it would be that. A thick cockney accent for the high notes. Bill Sykes.

[6:06] Rich Hawkins: Okay, so let's talk about um Mamma Mia and Abba. Not this show necessarily, just as a thing. What's your relationship with Mamma Mia and Abba?

[6:14] Tiana Biscuit: Love Abba. Gorgeous, gorgeous band. I used to do ABBA brunches two every Saturday, so I thoroughly know the words of Mamma Mia and Abba inside and out. Do you have a favourite ABBA song?

[6:25] Rich Hawkins: This has been quite a divisive topic on this podcast.

[6:27] Tiana Biscuit: Um I well, I think one of the best songs lyrically of all time is The Winner Takes It All. I just think uh they just ate with that song. Like the the lyrics are stunning. But I like Summer Night City, I like Ring Ring, and I like um there's another one I really like. Oh well, it'll come to me, but no, Winner Takes It All is just like one of my favourite. I just think the lyrics are just if you were gonna audition to be Sophie or Sky, depends. I don't mind. Gender is a construct. But I'd be Rosie, but yeah.

[7:03] Rich Hawkins: Okay, sure.

[7:04] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, actually, I really see that. I really do. Or Tanya, I'd be cover Rosie Tanya Donna. Tanya Roose. I mean, I would just be Cher in Mamma Mia 2. I know it's not even on stage yet, but like...

[7:11] Rich Hawkins: Oh, it will be.

[7:15] Tiana Biscuit: I mean it really should be. I mean, no, it shouldn't, because it was an awful film, but...

[7:16] Rich Hawkins: How dare you?

[7:22] Tiana Biscuit: That film was bad.

[7:24] Rich Hawkins: That film was bad.

[7:26] Tiana Biscuit: I mean, yeah. My actually, my main beef with that movie is that um Sophie spent she's always talking about her dead mum or whatever, and then which is fair, but she finally gets the chance after all these years to sing a song with her mum's girl band, and then they do the most dreary ballad, and you're like, Sophie, babe, what are you doing? Like, you finally got the opportunity and you've done an ABBA song none of us have ever heard of.

[7:50] Tiana Biscuit: Was it Andante?

[7:51] Rich Hawkins: Andante.

[7:52] Tiana Biscuit: Oh yeah, it was, yeah. Which is a lovely song. It's a cute a beautiful song. But finally get the chance to f it's been your life, she sets it up as her life dream to be part of the girl band, and then she sings Andante. Why?

[8:07] Rich Hawkins: And it opens with When I Kiss the Teacher.

[8:09] Tiana Biscuit: Weird, weird song. Did it need to be in any film? It was just a shite film. I'm very, very sorry.

[8:15] Rich Hawkins: I mean, I do strongly disagree because uh I think the greatest moment in cinema history.

[8:22] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, is is that man being in that film the whole time for absolutely no reason, except to give Cher the chance to go, Fernando?

[8:31] Rich Hawkins: Fernando. It's so stupid.

[8:35] Tiana Biscuit: So great. Love that film. So anyway, my question was gonna be what would you if you were okay. You're gonna be Rosie in Mamma Mia I Have a Dream 2 casting Rosie. What would your audition song be?

[8:46] Tiana Biscuit: Right, I'm gonna do classic. This is my top audition song, When You Got A Mama from Chicago.

[8:52] Rich Hawkins: Oh yeah, classic.

[8:54] Tiana Biscuit: That's musical theatre. If we're talking pop, I'd say something like it's just go for an ABBA song. Why not? I'd be that one that walks into the audition for Wicked and sings Defying Gravity. Like, look what I can do, bitch.

[9:06] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, I mean I can sing. I can sing, I can dance.

[9:10] Tiana Biscuit: Okay, shall we get into this episode?

[9:12] Rich Hawkins: Yes, let's do it. They open with their group performance. It's become the tradition on this show at this point. They do Voulez-Vous.

[9:17] Tiana Biscuit: I think a great ABBA song.

[9:20] Rich Hawkins: Strong choice.

[9:22] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, me too. I thought the choreo was really strong.

[9:26] Rich Hawkins: Camp.

[9:27] Tiana Biscuit: I like the bit where they walk round. It was like a pool, and I was like, you it was like the tiniest ledge that they were like walking. I was like, one of you's gonna fall in.

[9:34] Rich Hawkins: One of these gonna fall in. It's a precarious situation.

[9:37] Tiana Biscuit: The other part of that that was fun was that they all jumped into the pool at the end. Um lovely. Camp.

[9:44] Rich Hawkins: All I could think though. I just imagine they just hadn't jumped in or whatever at the right time. They'd have to do the whole thing again.

[9:51] Tiana Biscuit: Get the hair dryers out just quickly.

[9:53] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, literally. Just like absolutely raging. I wonder if they also like filmed them all at once, or they actually made them learn the choreo and the words every week and filmed them. Because that's a lot of work to be doing a brick.

[10:05] Tiana Biscuit: Do I remember when the strictly like on Strictly Come Dancing, the pros do the ones every week? So I was thinking, but that's like a lot on top of them making you learn. I think you wonder where the timeline is. But they have to do them every week, because otherwise they wouldn't know who I suppose they could do them all at the end and bring everyone back to do.

[10:26] Rich Hawkins: Oh yeah, that's true.

[10:26] Tiana Biscuit: Just go have a look round Corfu while we destroy your hopes and dreams. Go and jump on a quad bike and have a lovely couple of weeks. Get in a vest one. Come on back for Voulez-Vous.

[10:38] Rich Hawkins: Fuming your eyes out.

[10:41] Tiana Biscuit: Okay, and then they and then we get it to the app and they're mixing up the groups. Um they they mix them up. They give no reason at all. They're just like, we're just pairing you off again. We're not going to tell you how we've made this decision or why. We're just pairing you off.

[10:57] Rich Hawkins: I like it. I think why not like mix it up? Like, I think some of the pairings last week might have been a bit mishmarsh. But I'm just like, do you know what? It's nice to give people the opportunity to work with somebody. And also last week, because it was it was chemistry week last week, wasn't it?

[11:13] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah. Chemistry week.

[11:15] Rich Hawkins: So I guess it's just like, oh well, maybe you you obviously didn't have chemistry. So I'm gonna like try and create that somewhere else. And I think the the I preferred the teams from this week, I think. There's one pairing this week that I just did. I mean, I think being paired with Desmonda is hard work because her vocal is just off the chart.

[11:47] Rich Hawkins: You're like, that's giving unfair. Like, come on.

[11:51] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah. But then I guess that's the point of the show. Can you start can you hold yourself up? Also, I love that Desmond's in this show, and she's obviously not gonna win because she's in Aladdin for the next six months.

[12:02] Rich Hawkins: I know. She's on tour, isn't she?

[12:04] Tiana Biscuit: So I'm just like, Well, I don't think you are gonna leave Aladdin to go play. I mean, I can see her being the one that's like because I think wasn't it like Samantha went back and played Nancy and they got them all back.

[12:18] Rich Hawkins: I feel like they'll be like, Oh, there's a montable, we'll put you on hold and you can come next.

[12:22] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, I think there's a few of those, isn't there? Like a couple of the Joe's. Actually, Lewis, who I had on last week, he ended up doing Joseph after Lee Mead left. And I think that happened quite a lot back in the day. So maybe maybe Desmond is gonna do like Back Up Sophie in a year or so.

[12:36] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, I reckon. Um Yeah, that is funny though. She's on tour. I think I'd give up. Would I give up Jasmine to do Sophie? That's a really big life question.

[12:46] Tiana Biscuit: But also the thing is I'm like, surely she can't. I don't know, because I think I saw I heard in one of the competitions that the first uh it was like go see them in the West End on like January 1st or something silly like that. It was like in the new year, the date that they're starting.

[13:04] Rich Hawkins: But Desmond does she she's she's pleased she's fine on the magic carpet.

[13:08] Tiana Biscuit: She's fine. She's literally an Agra bar. Like she can't get back in time.

[13:11] Rich Hawkins: It's not no, I think Agra bar and Greece are quite far away from each other.

[13:14] Tiana Biscuit: I do too. I think that's a couple of flights at least.

[13:16] Rich Hawkins: I feel that's not a direction. Maybe she can be the Matinee girl.

[13:19] Tiana Biscuit: Maybe she can come back and do that and Sophie. Maybe they can send the carpet over to Greece, she'll do the mat and get herself back to Agra bar.

[13:27] Rich Hawkins: So big though, so it's a lot. She'll burn.

[13:29] Tiana Biscuit: She's got three wishes. And those three are too much.

[13:34] Rich Hawkins: Then we go to London to the Novella Theatre.

[13:37] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah. I feel like the junior would be like, babe, come on, dream think bigger. Like, let's not.

[13:38] Rich Hawkins: Come on.

[13:48] Tiana Biscuit: That's my wish. That's my one, two, and three. Um we find out two people are going again, which I guess they need to, because we've got a lot of people left, and I think there's only like three weeks left or something.

[13:59] Rich Hawkins: Um this week is dance week.

[14:03] Tiana Biscuit: They're making the week support as we go along. Surely every week is dance week because it's musical theatre.

[14:09] Rich Hawkins: Next week is singing week.

[14:11] Tiana Biscuit: Like literally.

[14:12] Rich Hawkins: Like Yeah, of course it's dance week. What were they all doing before? Stood still.

[14:16] Tiana Biscuit: Like, come on.

[14:17] Rich Hawkins: No, literally. Next week is singing in front of a distinguished panel of judges.

[14:20] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, ABBA week.

[14:22] Rich Hawkins: Like, yeah, we know, babe. We know it's ABBA week.

[14:24] Tiana Biscuit: Literally. How would you do in dancing week?

[14:27] Rich Hawkins: Awful, that'd be my week I got sent home.

[14:29] Tiana Biscuit: Would it?

[14:29] Rich Hawkins: That's the end.

[14:30] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah. I mean, I could do like disco.

[14:33] Rich Hawkins: Also, we'll get into this when we talk about them individually. Some of those dance categories given were unfair.

[14:39] Tiana Biscuit: Some of them were put just in disadvantage. A couple of them were like, um, well, that like a really specialist type of dance that's never gonna happen in Mamma Mia.

[14:51] Rich Hawkins: Don't even get me started on the making them waltz.

[14:54] Tiana Biscuit: Don't even get me started. Waltzing is a very hard thing to do that takes people years to get good at, and they're like this is not Shirley Ballas.

[15:04] Rich Hawkins: Get with the program.

[15:06] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah. I don't I just don't see waltzing as a key skill for Sophie and Skye.

[15:11] Rich Hawkins: Um, but you know, we've got to be entertained, so dancing week it is.

[15:15] Tiana Biscuit: Um they do their run throughs, Jesse Ware's giving them a vocal lesson.

[15:19] Rich Hawkins: Truly, all I've ever wanted in life is a vocal lesson from Jesse Ware.

[15:23] Tiana Biscuit: I mean, get me around to Lenny and Jesse's for dinner any day.

[15:27] Rich Hawkins: I all I want is um Lenny Ware's chicken matzable soup.

[15:30] Tiana Biscuit: Like, I don't even know really know what that tastes like, but I want to try it. Please, please.

[15:35] Rich Hawkins: I mean, she did always run about it. The fact that she uses matzables.

[15:38] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, and they're really good. She tells us quite a lot how you can't.

[15:42] Rich Hawkins: I want just everything. I um this week they had Eugenie, you know, the princess.

[15:48] Tiana Biscuit: Oh, well, yes, I listened to this episode, I was a bit like she has no chat at all.

[15:54] Rich Hawkins: I was like, this is so hard.

[15:57] Tiana Biscuit: It was it was it was something. At one point they were like, Do you have any animals? I was like, oh, we're grasping for questions at this point.

[16:05] Rich Hawkins: Oh god.

[16:06] Tiana Biscuit: Bless their hearts.

[16:07] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, they do their choreography, um, and then they do their run of their workshop with Jesse.

[16:13] Tiana Biscuit: Uh generally, I actually like Jessie's notes. She's she's finally giving them not previously. She's just been like sat with Alan Carr, like having a lovely old cat time, but uh this week she was giving them notes about like I don't know, breath control and things.

[16:26] Rich Hawkins: I'm not really a singer, so it doesn't mean much to me, but yeah, she's definitely very um she's a good judge, she's very good.

[16:33] Tiana Biscuit: I mean, I um when they announced judges of like Jesse Ware, but then I like actually fell in love with Jessie Ware as a pure person and an artist, and I knew Alvin's so good.

[16:43] Rich Hawkins: Um, and I was like, oh yeah, okay, Jessie Ware, because it makes sense. You've got like musical theatre, you've got Amber who's like come from Glee and now is pop artist.

[16:53] Tiana Biscuit: You've got Jesse's a pop artist, and then you've just got Alan Carr.

[16:56] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, who's just there like having a good time, just there for the matzables.

[17:01] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, he's just like waiting to meet Lenny.

[17:03] Rich Hawkins: Um okay, and then we dive it dives very quickly into our performances.

[17:08] Tiana Biscuit: So taken from your uh your book in terms of audition songs, although it's a different song, but uh Steedy and Tobias do all that jazz.

[17:18] Rich Hawkins: Uh in the style of what's their dance style?

[17:22] Tiana Biscuit: Oh, Fosse, obviously.

[17:23] Rich Hawkins: Yes, so first of all, it just to me visually just made no sense at all that they were like there was dancers in blue leotards with top hats.

[17:34] Tiana Biscuit: They were dressed like they were in Venador. I was like, lovely, love Fosse, brilliant. I was like, it doesn't necessarily suit like we're in a villa.

[17:42] Rich Hawkins: Like, why are we doing we're doing it? We're in a villa in the sunshine doing Sophie and Sky, but it's Fosse.

[17:49] Tiana Biscuit: Why? In what world was that used for you?

[17:52] Rich Hawkins: I didn't like the I didn't like the blue leotards that the dancers were in.

[17:58] Tiana Biscuit: And also the arrangement was like really really gorgeous of the song and I really enjoyed that.

[18:02] Rich Hawkins: But I just wish they would have like transposed it a little bit. She could have sung higher and so could he like I feel like uh Tobias just wasn't able to like show his voice on I thought it was yeah I thought it was good.

[18:15] Tiana Biscuit: I thought they were both good. I don't like I I don't know if I like Fosse or not.

[18:20] Rich Hawkins: I don't like Fosse out of context.

[18:22] Tiana Biscuit: Like out of off a stage in a villa I don't like Fosse dancing it looks stupid.

[18:26] Rich Hawkins: There we go.

[18:26] Tiana Biscuit: It looked really silly and I was like poor you all the other ones made sense with the back I was like we're looking at the Mediterranean Sea here and you're like in a top hat giving it Liza like I was just a bit it was all over the place.

[18:40] Rich Hawkins: Yeah it was it was a bit like Liza's done an all inclusive to to Costa Dell or whatever.

[18:46] Tiana Biscuit: It was like Liza on a gay cruise sort of like it was quite that um also we find out that Samantha Barks isn't there because she's got West End commitments.

[18:57] Rich Hawkins: Yeah I was like I want to find out what that means I think it's a strange way of saying she's got the shits that's my case she's got she's drunk the water she's she's had a couple of glasses of that water because she's got home bit pissed and then right through us she's off because like what would that be West end commitments like what, frozen?

[19:16] Tiana Biscuit: Well, yeah, babe, you've probably taken some time off.

[19:18] Rich Hawkins: I was thinking maybe she was had like a concert or like a TV appearance.

[19:23] Tiana Biscuit: But would they let her off this show to do that? Like she'd be in a concert.

[19:26] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, I think I think she did the Royal Variety, maybe it was something like that.

[19:29] Tiana Biscuit: Oh right, maybe, yeah.

[19:31] Rich Hawkins: I it probably was that, you know.

[19:34] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, that does make sense.

[19:35] Rich Hawkins: I'm not sure what they what they did. They filmed it's this summer.

[19:41] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, it was this summer. I was just thinking 'cause Jesse Ware talked about it on the podcast.

[19:44] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, it was like earlier this summer.

[19:45] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, so I think oh no, it would have been a royal variety event.

[19:48] Rich Hawkins: It was something.

[19:48] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, the judges love it, full of praise.

[19:51] Rich Hawkins: Um they think it's great.

[19:54] Tiana Biscuit: So sure.

[19:55] Rich Hawkins: I never really know with this show what they're gonna love it or not, because they they sort of love everything.

[19:59] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, and but when they hate something, they really hate something.

[20:02] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, and they really pick at that one thing, and they really pick at a scab on this show.

[20:06] Tiana Biscuit: Oh mama, they like to pick away.

[20:08] Rich Hawkins: But this one is apparently scabless.

[20:10] Tiana Biscuit: Next up we had Stephanie and Owen, and they did make you made you look by Megan Trainer.

[20:15] Rich Hawkins: They did commercial dance.

[20:17] Tiana Biscuit: I don't know what that means.

[20:19] Rich Hawkins: What does that mean?

[20:20] Tiana Biscuit: It wasn't commercial like modern sort of that no one really knows what commercial dance is.

[20:26] Rich Hawkins: I think commercial dance is just dancing.

[20:29] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, that's what I thought. It just looked like sort of pop dancing.

[20:32] Rich Hawkins: I think that's what commercial means is like modern poppy dance.

[20:37] Tiana Biscuit: Right.

[20:38] Rich Hawkins: Okay.

[20:38] Tiana Biscuit: Well, I mean they did do that, and the Megan Trainer is is I suppose modern pop, so cool.

[20:43] Rich Hawkins: Yeah.

[20:44] Tiana Biscuit: Much easier brief than Fosse and a waltz though.

[20:44] Rich Hawkins: I mean commercial is just like do whatever you want, mate.

[20:52] Tiana Biscuit: Very like up in the club.

[20:54] Rich Hawkins: Yeah. Uh they start singing.

[20:55] Tiana Biscuit: The first thing Jesse Ware says is alright, pop star, when she starts singing.

[21:00] Rich Hawkins: Um, and I couldn't work out is that a compliment or an insult?

[21:04] Tiana Biscuit: Because I if Jesse Ware called me a pop star, I'd probably wear it like on a tattoo or something.

[21:09] Rich Hawkins: But oh it's bang on all my posters from now on.

[21:12] Tiana Biscuit: Right, like alright, pop star.

[21:15] Rich Hawkins: Is so is is Owen the one that they keep calling that you don't like musical theatre and wants every musical theater person to die?

[21:23] Tiana Biscuit: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the one that they're like, you can and so maybe it was a bit of an maybe it was a bit of an insult.

[21:29] Rich Hawkins: But Jessie Ware has been very like she's been very like, you've never seen Annie go to hell.

[21:37] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, she has she's been very like you're the yeah, you're the reason Cheetah Rivera is dead.

[21:43] Rich Hawkins: Is she Rivera dead?

[21:44] Tiana Biscuit: I don't know.

[21:45] Rich Hawkins: No, she's still going, darling.

[21:47] Tiana Biscuit: She's still going to be a very good thing.

[21:47] Rich Hawkins: You're the reason paying the poem we're equity, that's why.

[21:51] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah.

[21:52] Rich Hawkins: Uh yeah, sorry that.

[21:54] Tiana Biscuit: Um they do it as like a comedy performance and it felt a bit like you remember Same Difference on X Factor, and they were like a brother and sister.

[22:05] Rich Hawkins: I met them.

[22:07] Tiana Biscuit: Okay.

[22:08] Rich Hawkins: What? When?

[22:09] Tiana Biscuit: How?

[22:10] Rich Hawkins: I checked into Modern Adventures.

[22:12] Tiana Biscuit: They were there doing a sign I've got cards signed by Same Difference.

[22:17] Rich Hawkins: Did you go there to meet them or did they happen to be there?

[22:21] Tiana Biscuit: No, we had an annual passes, so we just turned up and then they're like Nickelodeon and was like, same differences here.

[22:27] Rich Hawkins: Whoa.

[22:28] Tiana Biscuit: Love.

[22:29] Rich Hawkins: Um Let me get in this line of three people to meet same difference.

[22:33] Tiana Biscuit: I love that you did though.

[22:34] Rich Hawkins: You like you'll always have to.

[22:35] Tiana Biscuit: Do I remember same difference?

[22:37] Rich Hawkins: I know, yes, of course I do.

[22:40] Tiana Biscuit: But that it was very that like a sort of comedy performance and they're trying to pretend like they're in love, but it's giving like slight siblings, but one of them's gay.

[22:50] Rich Hawkins: I don't know, the whole thing made me just feel a bit like, what's what is this?

[22:54] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, I had a question mark over it.

[22:55] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, it was just odd, but I I like Stephanie, I think she's one of my favourites, you know.

[23:00] Tiana Biscuit: I do too, I don't think she's really cool.

[23:02] Rich Hawkins: I do like Stephanie a lot.

[23:03] Tiana Biscuit: I was a bit uh yeah, I just the whole performance was a bit odd.

[23:07] Rich Hawkins: I mean, he was camp as Christmas, I went.

[23:09] Tiana Biscuit: He was camp as a row attendance, that boy.

[23:12] Rich Hawkins: What was that?

[23:13] Tiana Biscuit: Like Mama, we're at Glastonbury.

[23:25] Rich Hawkins: I was like, I don't know what this is, but I'm enjoying it. It was kind of different, same difference. It was same difference. Um, I mean it was the same difference. It was. They uh they get judged, the judges make some sort of analogy about it. It's like Greek salad where it's like got some olives and some tomatoes, but enough cheese or something. So uh-huh.

[23:47] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, Alan was on.

[23:49] Rich Hawkins: Alan came in with his one comment.

[23:51] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, he had that stored up, didn't he?

[23:53] Rich Hawkins: I'm in Greece, I'll do something about feta cheese and then yeah, he wrote down about five or six critiques before he got there.

[24:01] Tiana Biscuit: And was like, right, I'm gonna fit these in with every single one.

[24:05] Rich Hawkins: I'll give you one a week. And then they say about her, they're like, oh sh, you're great, but you're always great, so we expect you to be great.

[24:13] Tiana Biscuit: And sort of pose that as a negative, but you're like, well, that's good, isn't it? If someone's consistently good, especially in the theatre, like you want them to be good every night.

[24:21] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, they do um like there is a lot of standards that does go on that for lucky in the trash end because yeah, she's great and it's good obviously in the theatre, like so it's good to be consistently great because you've got to do ratios a week.

[24:32] Tiana Biscuit: And they've brought that up before, I've heard them say that criticism, like, right, it's someone's consistently good, but then I guess it's like if we start here, then we've got to go somewhere.

[24:41] Rich Hawkins: I guess maybe their critique's like we're not going anywhere.

[24:44] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, maybe. That makes sense for a TV.

[24:47] Rich Hawkins: Like we want you to improve week on week because we need that storyline for the TV show.

[24:52] Tiana Biscuit: But in the show, you don't want that. You want a steady queen.

[24:56] Rich Hawkins: But they like her, they think it's good. And then out of nowhere, Shaka Khan rings Amber Riley.

[25:02] Tiana Biscuit: Why does she never ring Amber Kelly good?

[25:05] Rich Hawkins: I'm like so good. Don't make a musical about Shaka Khan.

[25:09] Tiana Biscuit: It's called Shaka.

[25:10] Rich Hawkins: It's called Shaka the Shaka Khan musical.

[25:12] Tiana Biscuit: Shaka of the Shaka Khan music. I would question if she's got enough discography for a musical.

[25:19] Rich Hawkins: Is that she's got Ain't Nobody, I'm Every Woman, and another one, and that's about it.

[25:25] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be string them out. They'll make a musical about anything.

[25:28] Rich Hawkins: That's true. There'll be a Jamina musical next week.

[25:31] Tiana Biscuit: Same difference, the musical.

[25:33] Rich Hawkins: You'll be there queuing up.

[25:35] Tiana Biscuit: Oh best know it. Who's the most famous person in your phone book?

[25:41] Rich Hawkins: So this is right. If we're talking about drag race, it would be like Detox.

[25:45] Tiana Biscuit: She's in my phone.

[25:47] Rich Hawkins: Okay.

[25:48] Tiana Biscuit: But General Saletta, probably Jodie Prenger.

[25:51] Rich Hawkins: She's in.

[25:51] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah.

[25:52] Rich Hawkins: Is she lovely?

[25:53] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, she's in the phone, but I'd like for season two for you to be a judge and for Jodie Prenger just to ring you halfway through a judging panel just to really recreate the special.

[26:01] Rich Hawkins: Oh, absolutely. When I'm on Drag Race, I'm not gonna have a phone. No one's gonna have a phone except me, just for Tony Frenzer.

[26:07] Tiana Biscuit: Like a heartline.

[26:09] Rich Hawkins: I'm gonna smuggle one in.

[26:13] Tiana Biscuit: What's the one you belt?

[26:16] Rich Hawkins: It's the buzz.

[26:18] Tiana Biscuit: A pager.

[26:20] Rich Hawkins: A pager, my Tony Pager.

[26:22] Tiana Biscuit: So she can page you.

[26:25] Rich Hawkins: Um love.

[26:27] Tiana Biscuit: Elaine Page.

[26:29] Rich Hawkins: Detox and Jodie Prenger.

[26:31] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, okay. They're fair, they're quite fair.

[26:34] Rich Hawkins: Um, from Drag Race, Monet Exchange from the real world Tan from Queer Eye.

[26:42] Tiana Biscuit: Does that count?

[26:43] Rich Hawkins: It's quite good.

[26:45] Tiana Biscuit: I mean, I haven't spoken to him in about five years, but he's still he's probably still in the Jodie Prenger, but I'm it's no joke.

[26:52] Rich Hawkins: He doesn't, he's not gonna be ringing me when I go on Drag Race.

[26:56] Tiana Biscuit: No, still.

[26:58] Rich Hawkins: Okay, then we get Desmonda and Zakiel, um, who have our famous ballroom moment.

[27:04] Tiana Biscuit: Um they sing the most boring song I have ever heard in the who was it by?

[27:10] Rich Hawkins: It's by um, it's Leona Lewis and um that man who does that really boring version of the Robin song, uh, Callum Scott.

[27:19] Tiana Biscuit: He's he's gay.

[27:20] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, he's gay, yeah, yeah.

[27:21] Tiana Biscuit: Which made I always was like, you ruined the Robin song, I'm furious, it's homophobic, and then I found out he's gay, and now I'm like, alright, well fine.

[27:27] Rich Hawkins: Uh very boring song though.

[27:29] Tiana Biscuit: Awful song. But actually, I know Zach. I went to school with Zach, so um—

[27:36] Rich Hawkins: No!

[27:36] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, I thought I'm not I have a personal connection.

[27:38] Rich Hawkins: Uh but Zach's great, he's he's great.

[27:41] Tiana Biscuit: Um, but yeah, I went to school with Zach for like four or five years.

[27:45] Rich Hawkins: Um and my favorite, I wrote this changes like my favourite story about Zach, and this is so Zach. So on our first day, we had to sing a song in front of everyone, and he picked you know serious from League of New Blond.

[27:56] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, Tan to get serious with you.

[27:59] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, but he sung both parts.

[28:02] Tiana Biscuit: So unprovoked sung Warner's part, and then was like, oh yeah, like completely serious, not even in a jokey way, and the teacher has to stop him and be like, Zach, why are you singing both parts?

[28:19] Tiana Biscuit: It's also it's so back and forth.

[28:22] Rich Hawkins: It's like they're like having a conversation.

[28:27] Tiana Biscuit: That she was completely committed to this bit.

[28:30] Rich Hawkins: Like it's so great.

[28:33] Tiana Biscuit: That's so funny.

[28:35] Rich Hawkins: I'm desperate for him to do that at the final.

[28:38] Tiana Biscuit: Absolutely gagging for it.

[28:40] Rich Hawkins: So good.

[28:42] Tiana Biscuit: So good. Bless him.

[28:43] Rich Hawkins: Good old Zach.

[28:44] Tiana Biscuit: So darling, give me your hand.

[28:48] Rich Hawkins: And he's like, well now give you my hair.

[28:56] Tiana Biscuit: That's so funny.

[28:58] Rich Hawkins: I immediately love him.

[29:00] Tiana Biscuit: Uh I I didn't dislike him before, but now I love him.

[29:02] Rich Hawkins: He's great.

[29:04] Tiana Biscuit: He's such a sweetheart as well.

[29:05] Rich Hawkins: Such a sweetheart. Where um where are you from? Where's he from?

[29:08] Tiana Biscuit: I'm not sure, but went to school in South London in Croydon and missed the British school.

[29:13] Rich Hawkins: Oh okay.

[29:14] Tiana Biscuit: Just doing a Dell, Duffy, all the greats.

[29:17] Rich Hawkins: Duffy, Duffy didn't go that anywhere else whether she got picked out with lungs.

[29:21] Tiana Biscuit: Well, I mean that that that I said I acted shocked, but I mean there's quite a lot.

[29:25] Rich Hawkins: There's like a group oh Jesse went Jesse J.

[29:27] Tiana Biscuit: She went there.

[29:28] Rich Hawkins: No?

[29:29] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, she walked in on me in a um uh uh like I was in the middle of a we were doing a group warm-up.

[29:36] Rich Hawkins: Jesse Joseph walked in.

[29:37] Tiana Biscuit: I was the first person spot. I went, that's Jesse J.

[29:40] Rich Hawkins: Oh, when she's famous, right?

[29:41] Tiana Biscuit: I was gonna say she's older than you, surely.

[29:43] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, she just walks in halfway through our dance classes camp.

[29:47] Tiana Biscuit: I love Jesse J.

[29:49] Rich Hawkins: Um.

[29:50] Tiana Biscuit: She's got to be picked up on this.

[29:52] Rich Hawkins: She would. I have a real affinity to people who are extremely camp but don't know it, and she doesn't know it, and I love that.

[29:59] Tiana Biscuit: Very that's Jesse J's musical theatre career.

[30:01] Rich Hawkins: It's I can taste it and I know it's coming, and I cannot wait.

[30:06] Tiana Biscuit: I feel like Jesse J's career will be like so a couple of weeks ago I saw Nicole Scherzinger in Sunset Boulevard, and you go in thinking like really like Nicole Scherzinger, and then it's absolutely mind-blowingly good.

[30:19] Rich Hawkins: That'll be Jesse J on Instagram.

[30:22] Tiana Biscuit: Oh, Jesse J will do like a big show.

[30:25] Rich Hawkins: Oh, Sunset Boulevard, insane. I was like, this is gonna be weird.

[30:29] Tiana Biscuit: And I was like, no, this is incredible.

[30:31] Rich Hawkins: And also Nicole Scherzinger is like insane.

[30:35] Tiana Biscuit: I um I went in feeling like I don't know about this, and it all felt a bit weird.

[30:41] Rich Hawkins: And it took me a minute with the watching that show to like kind of warm up to it.

[30:45] Tiana Biscuit: I was like, I don't quite understand this.

[30:47] Rich Hawkins: Is a big performance, she's coming, I don't know, it felt odd.

[30:49] Tiana Biscuit: Then as soon as I sort of settled into it, I was like, oh, this is outrageous.

[30:52] Rich Hawkins: And her voice is one of the best voices I've ever heard on stage.

[30:57] Tiana Biscuit: It's incredible.

[30:58] Rich Hawkins: Insane. Um, who's the best voice I've actually ever heard of?

[31:02] Tiana Biscuit: The best voice I've heard on stage is another one of the Pussycat Dolls, Melody Thornton in Cinderella the Panto.

[31:10] Rich Hawkins: It was the best vocal performance I've ever heard in my life.

[31:13] Tiana Biscuit: Genuinely it was insane.

[31:15] Rich Hawkins: I saw her in The Bodyguard, she was good, but I there was some she could not act.

[31:19] Tiana Biscuit: Like I mean, it was the worst acting performance I've ever seen in my life.

[31:22] Rich Hawkins: She'd be out first week, Mamma Mia, I Have a Dream.

[31:26] Tiana Biscuit: But her vocal performance in Cinderella on a Wednesday afternoon matinee was the best vocal performance I've heard on stage ever.

[31:34] Rich Hawkins: She's insane.

[31:37] Tiana Biscuit: I'm struggling to believe you.

[31:41] Rich Hawkins: Uh and believe it or not, Melody Thornton.

[31:46] Tiana Biscuit: Is she the one who did that?

[31:48] Rich Hawkins: You know that that bit where she steps forward and like tries to do her own runs and Nicole Scherzinger is raging.

[31:54] Tiana Biscuit: Is that her?

[31:55] Rich Hawkins: Yeah.

[31:57] Tiana Biscuit: She was the one that didn't come back for the reunion.

[32:00] Rich Hawkins: Because of that moment, probably Nicole was like getting killed.

[32:03] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, I don't think she was very like she was very like, well, I I was just a backing dancer in your machine, but her vocals are incredible.

[32:10] Rich Hawkins: She did The Bodyguard, she was really great.

[32:13] Tiana Biscuit: Well, I've never seen her on stage, so I couldn't I can't conclusively call you a liar, but uh I have my doubts.

[32:20] Rich Hawkins: Well, I shall buy you a ticket next time.

[32:23] Tiana Biscuit: She's in Umbrella the Panto.

[32:26] Rich Hawkins: I mean, they've the company have never had her back, so she was obviously the acting was bad.

[32:30] Tiana Biscuit: Like it was it was the worst acting performance I've ever seen, but the best vocals.

[32:30] Rich Hawkins: The best vocals.

[32:36] Tiana Biscuit: The best vocal I've ever seen on stage is do you know what? It might be Amber Riley in Dreamgirls.

[32:42] Rich Hawkins: I thought she was phenomenal.

[32:44] Tiana Biscuit: Insane. Like so big.

[32:47] Rich Hawkins: So good. Um, and I also really liked not so much for the singing, but the acting of Imelda Staunton and her Mama Rose.

[32:55] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, it was I was just incredible.

[32:58] Rich Hawkins: I never saw it live, but I've watched um it many times.

[33:03] Tiana Biscuit: Gave me like oh my god, like she was so good.

[33:06] Rich Hawkins: Right, who was next?

[33:08] Tiana Biscuit: Next we had oh I can't talk about it.

[33:11] Rich Hawkins: Next we had Leah and Marcellus.

[33:13] Tiana Biscuit: Oh sorry, I'll uh gone but not forgotten.

[33:17] Rich Hawkins: Never forgotten.

[33:19] Tiana Biscuit: Queen of my heart. Um they did Night Fever.

[33:23] Rich Hawkins: I'm not nitpicking in favour of Leah, but they literally start by being like, you better bring it, Leah, as if she's never brought it before.

[33:30] Tiana Biscuit: And all my girl Leah has done is brought it.

[33:33] Rich Hawkins: I was like, what's what's this note all of a sudden?

[33:36] Tiana Biscuit: Felt like production meddling a little bit.

[33:38] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, it's just yeah.

[33:40] Tiana Biscuit: I mean, the I thought the performance was great.

[33:42] Rich Hawkins: I've got to be honest, I've never seen Leah as a Sophie.

[33:49] Tiana Biscuit: Well, shoot me dead now, but I've just never seen Leah as a Sophie.

[33:55] Rich Hawkins: Um she's great.

[33:56] Tiana Biscuit: I mean her voice is amazing, and I feel like we'd be best friends.

[33:59] Rich Hawkins: Like, I feel like love her, she's queer, she's fabulous.

[34:05] Tiana Biscuit: Like, I feel like, oh, we'd be bestie.

[34:05] Rich Hawkins: But like, I could see her in so many other roles, but I just think she had like functions, she's got sass, and I don't think Sophie necessarily has that in spade loads.

[34:16] Tiana Biscuit: But like, she's an incredible performer, and I hope this is like hope producers are watching this and have gone, oh, she's really great, I'm gonna put her in my show.

[34:23] Rich Hawkins: Or we'll get you in for an audition for this.

[34:26] Tiana Biscuit: Yes, I could see her doing Sophie, but I do agree with you.

[34:31] Rich Hawkins: She's got a bit more about her, she's a bit more feisty, maybe, than a Sophie, which has traditionally been played quite sort of soft and demanding.

[34:43] Tiana Biscuit: Oh, 100%. They do Night Fever.

[34:48] Rich Hawkins: I hate this song, and I uh I love disco music.

[34:54] Tiana Biscuit: I did not love this disco dancing.

[34:56] Rich Hawkins: I was not featuring this performance.

[34:59] Tiana Biscuit: I uh this like roll the hands and the thing, and the thing.

[35:04] Rich Hawkins: I was like, oh no, don't do this.

[35:07] Tiana Biscuit: I also think it might have been like they were at a disadvantage in the way of like one, this song was a lot faster than some of the other ones, so that in itself is just like dancing faster while singing is more difficult. Um, I don't know, there just wasn't really like it just was a bit it was it was camp, it was great. I did feel like this performance was a bit like, oh okay, this is a bit of the camp that it used to be. I was like, oh, okay, this is a bit ridiculous, like it was. Also, this is although I didn't love this dancing because I find this sort of dancing a bit awkward, it's probably closest to what Mamma Mia on stage dancing is when all the ensemble are doing the big, you know, the big numbers. This is probably what it is, and they did it really well, and this was dancing week. So what are we judging this week for then? If not, then nailing it. They nailed this choreography, so you're like, well, what are we judging?

[36:02] Rich Hawkins: Yeah.

[36:03] Tiana Biscuit: I firmly believe in my heart that those three judges are not making one singular decision. It's that woman. What's her name?

[36:10] Rich Hawkins: Judy Kramer.

[36:12] Tiana Biscuit: Judy Kramer is sitting there making every single decision. She knows who she knows who's gonna win this show, she knows who she wants in that final, and it's not gonna be anyone other than what she wants to be. Those judges aren't making those judges are there for entertainment purposes only.

[36:29] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, I do strongly agree. Even the fact that they keep showing Judy walking over to the table and being like, so guys, what did you think? It's like she's just telling them what to do, isn't she?

[36:39] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, I mean it's that show. I've other than because I thought when they announced it that Judy was gonna be on the panel, but she's not, she just sits in the corner and is like, right. Well, I don't want you in my show. Piss off.

[36:50] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, it's fair.

[36:51] Tiana Biscuit: Yes, that's very herendary. She seems quite cool, but that is very the vibe. It's like um, it's like she's the head teacher. You know, like do you remember when back when you're in school and your teacher was teaching, but there'd be another teacher like monitoring them like for Ofsted or whatever? It was kind of that last Jude. She's going in, she's monitoring the teachers to be like, don't be getting this wrong.

[37:16] Rich Hawkins: Oh yeah, um they say, what do they say? Um they think Amber Amber thinks Marcellus was shaky on the vocals, which they've said to him loads of times before, and they've given him this mad choreo, so it's not unfair, but sure. Um, and then they say they think Leah finally brought the Sophie. That's a quote. So that all sounds good to me. Uh but I also think this is probably the most unsophie I've actually seen her.

[37:47] Tiana Biscuit: I thought that too. I was like, this doesn't feel like her Sophie. Um, next up, final, we've got Esme and Craig doing True Colours. They do um it's not interpretive dance, modern dance.

[38:01] Rich Hawkins: I listen, I'm not a dancer, I'm not a choreographer.

[38:07] Tiana Biscuit: What the what do I know? But I thought this was very strange. I'm gonna be honest, I don't really remember it too much. All I wrote in my notes was contemporary dance is ridiculous. That's all I wrote.

[38:19] Rich Hawkins: Yes, because honestly, I wrote ridiculous dance. This is the weirdest. I just wrote this is the weirdest dancing. It's like okay. Odd, just really odd. I that and the waltz, I was like, you are out of order. You are out of order making these poor uh 18-year-olds prance um fanny about like in ballet. It was just like this is wrong show, wrong vibe. Why are we doing contemporary dance?

[38:49] Tiana Biscuit: I um, they were barefoot, which is fine, but like why are they barefoot? And then it reminded me of that these people, I can't remember who they are, but they're on TikTok, and they do um they do these videos where it's like um POV when you're in drama school doing an interpretive dance about drugs, and they're all like, hey, say no, kids, don't do it, kids. It's all very that very frantic assembly, very frantic assembly.

[39:20] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, it's just so bad.

[39:22] Tiana Biscuit: Um Alan says contemporary dance is pretentious, and I mean like fair, fair note. Weird, weird, weird. Very sure. What are they singing again? True Colours. I love that song. Um, yeah, no, um it's it I wasn't featuring this performance either. I was like, I don't know if I love dance week. I don't think this is the week for me. Like, I just don't like any of these dances.

[39:46] Rich Hawkins: Um, so no, I agree. What did the weeks used to be? Didn't they used to be like 50s week, musicals week, 60s week?

[39:55] Tiana Biscuit: Yeah, they would do yeah, they'd mix it up, but they'd I mean they were never that coh like they were never that cohesive, but yeah, they'd have more like uh more theme musical like themes around the music than they were. Like this is much more like we've done an acting week, we've done a singing, like that. This is more broken down into like the um skill sets, I suppose.

[40:11] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, yeah. Which is just a bit odd, and also means that the song choices, like we've gone everything from Night Fever to True Colours interpretive dance. Like, how am I comparing those two things? I don't know how to do that.

[40:27] Tiana Biscuit: No, you're so right. It it's almost like incomparable. I think a couple of weeks ago there it was like it I think they started off being like it's musicals week, but then like gave w some of the music and then it just got lost. I was like, oh, it was like pop it was something week, and then I was like, but that doesn't fit the theme. Because you've got them doing like uh My Heart Will Go On and you've got them it was just like them doing steps, like it was just Yeah, it's often all over the place, and you feel like whoever they give the big ballad to ultimately is the favourite.

[41:00] Rich Hawkins: So you're like, okay, well Exactly.

[41:02] Tiana Biscuit: So we have winners, which is no winners, is there each week.

[41:04] Rich Hawkins: No, just bottoms.

[41:06] Tiana Biscuit: No, I didn't a world of bottoms.

[41:11] Rich Hawkins: No, I don't think so. I was thinking it's actually watching it, and no, I don't think they did 'cause they didn't on X Factor, did they? It was just bottom two.

[41:17] Tiana Biscuit: So then the judges have a little chat. Judy ultimately made her decision, as we've decided. And then the bottom two oh we get that great moment. The judges will I love that bit in every show. And then we get our bottom two, and it's uh Zakil and Marcellus for the boys. And it's Desmond and it's Leah.

[41:47] Rich Hawkins: Yes. First of all, this bottom two thing came out of nowhere. They didn't do it the first week, and then they were like I want to write some bottom twos in, why not?

[41:56] Tiana Biscuit: I mean, I kind of think that the bottoms were just defined. I do. I hate myself, but I do too. Apart from Desmond Done, that didn't make sense. I do think the bottom two were fair enough. I hate to say it, but I do think they were the performances where I was like, I don't like the I didn't really like no no no nothing to do with the performers, but the performances, the way they were put together, I didn't love any of them. But uh yeah, particularly these two felt weak. And in the moment they said Leah versus Desmondar, I was like, they're not letting Desmondda go, they're just not.

[42:31] Rich Hawkins: I'm actually surprised that uh Zach and Leah didn't go last week. I thought they were gonna eliminate them together last week.

[42:38] Tiana Biscuit: Did you?

[42:39] Rich Hawkins: Yeah, so I'm actually I I'm really surprised that they survived this week.

[42:42] Tiana Biscuit: They sh they they should have then. I'm not saying they shouldn't have, but um I'm I'm re I thought they were voting there last week. I just thought that they would.

[42:50] Rich Hawkins: Who did you of the bottom four, like who would you have sent home this week?

[42:55] Tiana Biscuit: Um probably Leah and Zach. I hate to say it. Love Zach.

[43:01] Rich Hawkins: Yeah.

[43:02] Tiana Biscuit: He's fabulous, but um and I wish them both long careers, but I I think it was justified. I thought l uh I thought of the bottom two or four, I thought Leah was gonna go. I thought Marcellus was gonna go. I just think they've consistently told him that he's not singing well enough. And so I'm like, at what point do you you just don't like his voice, so what's the point of this? Anyway, we lose Leah and Zaquil and it fades to black, as does my heart.

[43:38] Rich Hawkins: Okay, we've just lost two. Who do you think are the final two Sophies and the final two Skies?

[43:45] Tiana Biscuit: Alright, let me look at my list. So I need to do the same. Um the final two, I reckon I think Stephanie and Desmonda are my top two Sophies and I can't remember any of the boys.

[44:05] Rich Hawkins: And some boys.

[44:06] Tiana Biscuit: And some boys. I'd like to say Tobias and Owen. Let's just go for them. They're the ones I can remember.

[44:15] Rich Hawkins: Yeah.

[44:16] Tiana Biscuit: I think Stevie and Desmondda. That's my thought. Stevie Desmondo. Stevie is the one that did she's from Scotland and she did um All That Jazz.

[44:25] Rich Hawkins: Oh I like Stevie.

[44:27] Tiana Biscuit: Oh maybe I like Susie. Do you know in that performance I forgot to say the the only person I was looking at was there was a little twinky dancer in the back and he's in all of the numbers and he just gets it together. He's so camp I'm gonna find him and put his list it's just this little twins in the background like just giving it everything. The dancers look like they have an absolute ball like you've got to learn a couple of songs a week and the rest of the time you're just living it up in Greece. So good the best job. What a gig um and that is it thank you so much for chatting to me about Mamma Mia I have a dream everybody's favourite reality competition TV Western show.

[45:04] Rich Hawkins: Well it's better than Let It Shine my darling so it's well or remember the one they did was Let It Show when they tried to find the Take That yeah yeah and then they became the band in the that doesn't count though no truly it's not canon it's not canon.

[45:19] Tiana Biscuit: No but I've got one thing to say before we go yeah oh yes he does oh it won't come off me I'm not waiting.

[45:35] Rich Hawkins: I'm waiting for my U C as long as we do three dreams crushed.

[45:54] Rich Hawkins: Get out my studio.

[45:56] Tiana Biscuit: Get out of you and my show.

[46:01] Rich Hawkins: So funny.

[46:02] Tiana Biscuit: So funny. Thank you so much. Where can people see you be a fabulous queen? Where can they follow you? All of that good stuff.

[46:11] Tiana Biscuit: You can follow me at Tiana Biscuit Official. That's Tiana Spelt Like the Disney Princess. Biscuit Spelt Like a Biscuit Official. Tiana Biscuit Official on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. And you can catch me at Stanley Arts on the 9th of December in my annual Christmas show. Which is fabulous.

[46:28] Rich Hawkins: So I'll see you. I want to come.

[46:30] Tiana Biscuit: Thanks so much for joining me. Everyone, thanks for listening. We're back next week. If you want to follow me, I am the boldest bitch on TikTok. And I'll see you next week. Bye.

[46:40] Tiana Biscuit: Bye.