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[0:00] Steven Ferezy: Take one.

[0:01] Dana Craig: Knock knock.

[0:04] Steven Ferezy: We're Steven and Dana.

[0:05] Dana Craig: We can't believe you.

[0:10] Steven Ferezy: We're so glad you're listening to it.

[0:12] Dana Craig: We would never listen to.

[0:13] Steven Ferezy: But I don't even want to listen to it to edit it.

[0:15] Dana Craig: I don't even want to wake up in the morning.

[0:18] Steven Ferezy: Steven and Dana.

[0:20] Dana Craig: In the room.

[0:34] Steven Ferezy: Deeny.

[0:38] Dana Craig: I can see you.

[0:40] Steven Ferezy: I'm there.

[0:41] Dana Craig: We're doing a cute little Google chat, and I was not prepared for the visual element of today's episode, but boy am I glad I showered.

[0:50] Steven Ferezy: You specifically put in the email.

[0:52] Dana Craig: There will be no visual element.

[0:54] Steven Ferezy: Specifically.

[0:55] Dana Craig: Specifically, and then I hoodwinked your.

[1:01] Steven Ferezy: Yeah, I'd be allergic to your hat.

[1:03] Dana Craig: For sure.

[1:03] Steven Ferezy: 100%.

[1:04] Dana Craig: I'd have to sleep in another room.

[1:07] Steven Ferezy: Cats are terrible.

[1:08] Dana Craig: Anyway, today's episode is sponsored by cats.

[1:12] Steven Ferezy: And we're still doing our cozy with castmates.

[1:16] Dana Craig: So you've seen, you know, Broadway castmates, cabaret castmates, and today we have like sketch comedy duo castmates.

[1:25] Steven Ferezy: And we're so excited to have them.

[1:28] Dana Craig: So many different kinds of casts.

[1:29] Steven Ferezy: You can be in.

[1:30] Dana Craig: All original.

[1:31] Steven Ferezy: Some are given to you by a hospital professional.

[1:35] Dana Craig: Yeah, some you can sign.

[1:36] Steven Ferezy: Some you can sign.

[1:38] Dana Craig: Um, Steven, wanna do a little update for the listeners?

[1:43] Steven Ferezy: What have you been doing?

[1:45] Dana Craig: About my thing.

[1:46] Steven Ferezy: Yes, I know what you've been doing.

[1:47] Dana Craig: I have a thing.

[1:48] Steven Ferezy: I'm so impressed.

[1:50] Dana Craig: Honey, thanks.

[1:51] Steven Ferezy: Um, go to all link to that.com.

[1:54] Dana Craig: I made a I made a thing where there never was a thing.

[1:57] Steven Ferezy: Oh, I love it so much.

[2:00] Dana Craig: It really scratches that itch of like a niche.

[2:03] Steven Ferezy: If you love a lady over the age of 60, you know, and you love a black and white, you know, digital print.

[2:09] Dana Craig: Go to all that.

[2:10] Steven Ferezy: No, I've been tapping into my arts, and now you can like get my art on a t-shirt or on a mug.

[2:17] Dana Craig: I have a print about Middler standing in front of a car print, and I love it, and I'm getting a frame for it for Christmas.

[2:26] Steven Ferezy: Wait, can I freak out for a second?

[2:28] Dana Craig: Yes.

[2:29] Steven Ferezy: Mary fucking Testa loved hers and wanted me to send her one.

[2:34] Dana Craig: Mary fucking Testa.

[2:35] Steven Ferezy: Mary fucking Testa.

[2:37] Dana Craig: So wait, how do you do that?

[2:38] Steven Ferezy: Are you like, mm, girl, it's 20 bucks?

[2:40] Dana Craig: Or are you like, ugh, take it?

[2:42] Steven Ferezy: It's free.

[2:44] Dana Craig: What size?

[2:46] Steven Ferezy: That's what I said.

[2:48] Dana Craig: Oh my gosh.

[2:49] Steven Ferezy: Hers was incredible because it looked exactly like Mary Testa.

[2:55] Dana Craig: There's no question.

[2:57] Steven Ferezy: No question.

[2:58] Dana Craig: Um, well, I also love the blog element of all InkttoThat.com.

[3:03] Steven Ferezy: It's ever growing.

[3:05] Dana Craig: Listen, we're newly part of the Broadway merchant collective, which is all types of like Broadway folk with wares to bring to your home.

[3:18] Steven Ferezy: Hawk their shit.

[3:19] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[3:20] Steven Ferezy: It's like the beginning of Blame Is.

[3:22] Dana Craig: We're all kind of like, what you got?

[3:26] Steven Ferezy: When are you gonna do an in the room one?

[3:30] Dana Craig: Asks your co-host.

[3:32] Steven Ferezy: Well, Henny.

[3:34] Dana Craig: Um, patience is a virtue.

[3:36] Steven Ferezy: Alright, well, I'm really bad at it.

[3:37] Dana Craig: Um, everyone watch Broadway Fanatic on Broadway on Demand.

[3:41] Steven Ferezy: It's free.

[3:43] Dana Craig: It is free.

[3:44] Steven Ferezy: All you gotta do is put in your name and your frickin' email, and boom, you have an account, and boom, you can watch one of the only free original content series on the frickin' platform, Broadway Fanatic with Laura Haywood.

[3:58] Dana Craig: Get into it.

[3:59] Steven Ferezy: Chi-Ho, Queen.

[4:00] Dana Craig: It's so fun, and it's teaching me a lot about like what's happening in the world of, you know, digital online Broadway fans doing shit.

[4:09] Steven Ferezy: It's so fun.

[4:10] Dana Craig: So fun.

[4:12] Steven Ferezy: Um, speaking of Broadway people and Broadway fans who are Broadway people who are just incredible talents themselves, they also have a digital online sketch comedy thing.

[4:29] Dana Craig: You can find them on Instagram.

[4:31] Steven Ferezy: It's called Advent Carolinder.

[4:34] Dana Craig: And they have a shop.

[4:35] Steven Ferezy: And they have some wares you can get your shit.

[4:39] Dana Craig: Welcome to the stage, Julia Mattison and Joel Waggoner.

[4:44] Joel Waggoner: Hello.

[4:46] Julia Mattison: Thank you for having us.

[4:47] Joel Waggoner: Thank you.

[4:48] Julia Mattison: Thank you very much for having us.

[4:50] Joel Waggoner: Hi there.

[4:51] Julia Mattison: Thank you.

[4:51] Steven Ferezy: Let's see.

[4:52] Joel Waggoner: I'll know Joel at this point because our goddamn theme song.

[4:57] Julia Mattison: I did.

[4:58] Joel Waggoner: I wrote your theme song and I was on an episode of your podcast where and very early.

[5:04] Julia Mattison: Very early, and when listening back to it, I literally don't think I took a breath.

[5:08] Joel Waggoner: I talked a million mile a minute, how did anyone pay attention to that?

[5:16] Julia Mattison: But apparently you liked it.

[5:18] Joel Waggoner: It's one of my favorite episodes of all time because it was very like we were in an Oprah Soul, you know, Soul Sunday, whatever she calls that.

[5:28] Julia Mattison: A soul.

[5:29] Joel Waggoner: A soul hole.

[5:30] Julia Mattison: And you went there, and those are my favorite interviews.

[5:34] Joel Waggoner: Oh, that was great.

[5:35] Julia Mattison: And that was back in my apartment, which I now have had to give up.

[5:38] Joel Waggoner: And I transferred the lease because of these times.

[5:41] Julia Mattison: These times is hard.

[5:43] Joel Waggoner: You know.

[5:44] Julia Mattison: Times is hard.

[5:46] Joel Waggoner: I mean, you gotta laugh or else you're crying am I right?

[5:46] Julia Mattison: Am I right?

[5:49] Joel Waggoner: Well, that's why.

[5:51] Julia Mattison: Thank God for Julia.

[5:53] Joel Waggoner: Thank God.

[5:54] Julia Mattison: And for souls.

[5:55] Joel Waggoner: Julia!

[5:56] Dana Craig: And for souls.

[5:58] Steven Ferezy: Julia, I'm so excited to talk to you.

[6:01] Julia Mattison: Um, I've never met you.

[6:02] Dana Craig: Hi, it's good to meet you.

[6:04] Steven Ferezy: Guess what I found?

[6:05] Julia Mattison: Okay, some of you may know Julia from like everything, sketch comedy.

[6:09] Joel Waggoner: Like, I've seen you at the pit.

[6:11] Julia Mattison: Like, I saw you at the doing comedy.

[6:15] Joel Waggoner: Yeah, I was yeah, it was like a night of something.

[6:18] Julia Mattison: Um that was my first night in New York doing anything with at the pit.

[6:22] Joel Waggoner: I moved to New York with a musical I wrote called Human Centipede the Musical, which was the movie of Human Centipede as a musical.

[6:31] Julia Mattison: And we did it in the pit in 2011, 10, 11.

[6:35] Joel Waggoner: Yeah.

[6:36] Julia Mattison: Well, okay, so that was before Godspell, right?

[6:39] Joel Waggoner: That was yes.

[6:40] Julia Mattison: That was right before.

[6:41] Joel Waggoner: So I moved.

[6:43] Julia Mattison: It's a perfect transition from one to the other, I think.

[6:45] Joel Waggoner: Um Broadway, uh, Godspell, you know, Julia from Godspell.

[6:50] Julia Mattison: Yeah, it was a quick, it was a quick shift.

[6:51] Joel Waggoner: I moved to New York on June 1st.

[6:53] Julia Mattison: I auditioned for Godspell on June 3rd.

[7:20] Joel Waggoner: I did Human Centipede the Musical in June, spent a summer teaching children or doing like a mommy and me music time thing, and then got the job end of August, and then in September was in rehearsals, and I was like, is New York easy?

[7:20] Julia Mattison: Is this how it goes?

[7:20] Joel Waggoner: And for one year I believed it was a whole deal after that.

[7:20] Julia Mattison: I can't believe I didn't know about Human Centipede the Musical because I that would have been a whole I I can't believe I learned that about you.

[7:27] Joel Waggoner: I had a lonely Halloween one year where everyone was out and I was like, I'm just not in the mood to go out tonight.

[7:32] Julia Mattison: So I put on a wig alone in my house and watched Human Centipede with atomic wings.

[7:39] Joel Waggoner: It was the loneliest, weirdest Halloween.

[7:44] Julia Mattison: That's like serial killer behavior.

[7:46] Joel Waggoner: I love it.

[7:47] Julia Mattison: I know.

[7:47] Joel Waggoner: I just I kept the wig on.

[7:51] Julia Mattison: Like I kept it on.

[7:53] Steven Ferezy: Wait, so this is what our listeners are in for.

[7:56] Dana Craig: Like these are the brains that we're interviewing right now, and there's a reason they came together, but can I just show you very quickly?

[8:03] Steven Ferezy: My God's playbill plus the insert that says at this performance, the role usually played by Morgan James will play be played by Julia Mattison.

[8:19] Dana Craig: And that you made such an impact on me.

[8:21] Steven Ferezy: I was like, who the fuck is this?

[8:24] Dana Craig: Which is why I remember seeing you at the pit like years later.

[8:28] Steven Ferezy: This is probably like three years ago or something.

[8:30] Dana Craig: Um, and I was like, oh, that's the girl from Godspell that I was so in love with.

[8:35] Joel Waggoner: So that is Mary Me.

[8:37] Julia Mattison: Yes, I'm ready.

[8:38] Steven Ferezy: Let's do it.

[8:39] Dana Craig: This is it.

[8:40] Joel Waggoner: Good.

[8:40] Steven Ferezy: It's almost like everyone.

[8:43] Julia Mattison: That's so funny.

[8:45] Dana Craig: We should cheers with all of our beverages.

[8:47] Steven Ferezy: We should cheers.

[8:50] Joel Waggoner: I have your playbills as well, School of Rock and Be More Chill.

[8:55] Julia Mattison: But I'm not showing them.

[8:56] Joel Waggoner: Oh no, I have every playbill from everything I've ever seen since I was a youth.

[9:01] Julia Mattison: So you're a keeper.

[9:02] Joel Waggoner: I think this is the thing is do we keep or do we throw?

[9:05] Julia Mattison: And I think that a lot of people are in the Marie Kondo camp these days, but I have kept.

[9:10] Joel Waggoner: I'm a keeper, but I'm an organized keeper.

[9:12] Julia Mattison: I like do the little I have one like genuine playbill binder because I got bar mitzfeit and that's all I wanted.

[9:20] Joel Waggoner: Um but I've since found the Amazon equivalents of the shrunken binder with plastic insert.

[9:29] Julia Mattison: I have like barely anything to show for living in New York.

[9:33] Joel Waggoner: Like I have lights in my apartment and like some pillows, but like my playbills are a physical something that's like, look what I did, look what I saw.

[9:42] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[9:43] Joel Waggoner: I don't know.

[9:43] Julia Mattison: Yeah, I guess you're right.

[9:46] Joel Waggoner: Where else do you go and get like a free souvenir?

[9:50] Julia Mattison: I mean, if you're me everywhere, but if you're anyone else, um the amount of show cups I have the show cups, you know.

[9:57] Joel Waggoner: I'm drinking water from the city.

[10:01] Julia Mattison: Yeah, I've got my I've got tipsy at Tootsie water cup.

[10:05] Joel Waggoner: Which is now a water cup, which was a double jug of wine for sure back in the day.

[10:11] Julia Mattison: I will tell you what, during the during this pan, I'm I like forbid myself to wear any clothes that like fit closely to the body.

[10:19] Joel Waggoner: And so I've just been wearing all this merch.

[10:22] Julia Mattison: I'm currently wearing school of rock sweatsuit, and um the other day I had a school of rock t-shirt.

[10:30] Joel Waggoner: I mean, I don't have any clothes that aren't just like hoodies with labels from shows.

[10:36] Julia Mattison: Yeah, blast they're probably perfect, right?

[10:39] Joel Waggoner: Yeah.

[10:40] Julia Mattison: They're great.

[10:40] Joel Waggoner: I mean, like, except for when you realize you're like, oh, I might actually see somebody tonight.

[10:43] Julia Mattison: I need to put on a pair of jeans.

[10:45] Joel Waggoner: I don't have them.

[10:46] Julia Mattison: You know.

[10:48] Joel Waggoner: I just bought Sphinx jeans.

[10:50] Julia Mattison: And they're probably like $3,000, but they are jeans, but Spanx.

[10:56] Joel Waggoner: Wait.

[10:56] Julia Mattison: For those moments where I need to go out.

[10:58] Joel Waggoner: Send me that link.

[11:00] Julia Mattison: Oh my gosh.

[11:01] Steven Ferezy: Well.

[11:02] Dana Craig: Bus driver, send that link.

[11:05] Steven Ferezy: Send that link.

[11:07] Dana Craig: Anyway, let's get down to business.

[11:09] Steven Ferezy: Shall we?

[11:10] Dana Craig: Yeah, if that was the business, what is.

[11:15] Joel Waggoner: Thank you.

[11:15] Julia Mattison: I needed everyone's consent.

[11:18] Steven Ferezy: In an ASMR.

[11:19] Dana Craig: Advent Carolinder.

[11:23] Joel Waggoner: First of all, congrats.

[11:25] Julia Mattison: Like on making that so a fish this year.

[11:28] Joel Waggoner: Thank you.

[11:28] Julia Mattison: So offici.

[11:29] Joel Waggoner: It broke out last year and blew everyone's goddamn minds.

[11:33] Julia Mattison: It is tickling everyone from within beyond.

[11:36] Joel Waggoner: Like people just are dying, dying to comment something witty in the comment section.

[11:43] Julia Mattison: Like I love I'm obsessed with the comments.

[11:45] Joel Waggoner: You know, the comments are just as funny as the actual content.

[11:49] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[11:49] Joel Waggoner: Not really, but you know what I mean.

[11:50] Julia Mattison: Like, your fans are with it.

[11:52] Joel Waggoner: Oh, yeah.

[11:54] Julia Mattison: Um.

[11:56] Joel Waggoner: I just, I just want to say, can fucking grats.

[12:00] Steven Ferezy: What, Steven?

[12:01] Julia Mattison: I don't know how that I I need to know the Genesis story.

[12:04] Joel Waggoner: Oh, yeah.

[12:04] Julia Mattison: Oh, it's a good story.

[12:06] Joel Waggoner: It's a good story.

[12:07] Julia Mattison: Because I don't even know how you two know each other.

[12:10] Joel Waggoner: I mean, for years through friends and hangs, I feel like for a long time we would be like see each other at shows and see each other at friends' shows and hang out, but never like knew each other, knew each other or collaborated really until this world came about, which was that in 2018, my boyfriend Drew Galen and I don't know if it's here, I don't know, I'll make him say hi.

[12:33] Julia Mattison: He's um he uh and I wanted to we had moved to this new home and we wanted to throw I've always wanted to throw a big holiday party with like the cheesy sing alongs and the drinks flowing and the whole thing, sweaters, you know, the whole the whole nine yards.

[12:47] Joel Waggoner: And I was talking to Joel, and and it basically was this really what I thought was like just a very very silly idea where it's like what if we print out um lyrics like lyric books for everyone to Carol, but snuck in between the deck the halls and jingle bells of the world, we sneak in like Oh religious Christmas song or why is the songs that we ended up writing together because Joel and I were like, what if we just kind of lead the night musically and just kind of sneak in a couple made-up carols and make everybody sing them.

[13:22] Julia Mattison: And so it was to us something that we thought was just hilarious, but we were like, this is an experiment and everyone's gonna be drinking, it might just be really fun.

[13:30] Joel Waggoner: And then we did it, and we had a group till 5 a.m.

[13:34] Julia Mattison: scream singing why is sausage not a Christmas food with multiple rounds.

[13:39] Joel Waggoner: What why is cauliflower not a Christmas food?

[13:41] Julia Mattison: Why is people were singing?

[13:43] Joel Waggoner: The cops were not called, but we c I came downstairs the next morning with a sign on the door saying last night was unacceptable.

[13:49] Julia Mattison: If this happens again, the cops will be called immediately.

[13:53] Joel Waggoner: And we it was one of the greatest nights of my life, and one part of it that that I that we both love and treasure so much is that our friend the late great Nick Cordero was there at the party, and he himself was the one who stayed.

[14:08] Joel Waggoner: There were about six of us left by 5 a.m. He was the last round, the last hanger on in that group, and he was the one saying, like, you guys need to turn this into something. People need to hear these. Like, this is more the this is like really, these are good. He loved Stable Girl more than anything. There's actually a comment, I think, on Stable Girl where he was like, if you need backup vocals, I'll fly across the country and sing them. So that was like a it's been a really special memory to get to keep doing this and be like, you know, that's it was one of the most fun nights ever that we were like, let's turn it into a fun thing to share for with everybody, and like it makes us laugh. So maybe people like us will laugh too.

[14:49] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[14:52] Joel Waggoner: No, that's exactly right. I'm trying to think too of when Julia and I met because of course we went through you know friends eventually, but I was a huge fan of Julia before she probably even knew who I was because I had heard of Ruby, Manger, her alter ego characters. She's on all these amazing concerts of also she um we did one show at 54 Below a Christmas uh Christmas with a K with Katie Thompson, I think. That's right, like barely, barely saw each other, but I remember being like, she's the funniest person I've ever met. And then what really sealed the deal was when she played the mayor in a concert of Nightmare Before Christmas, and the smile like never left her face, and I was like, who is I have that is the funniest person I've ever met in my entire life.

Um, plus she can sing for for all the deities. But then I made this page during School of Rock called Joel Capella, which was like just me doing a bunch of like little silly acapella like made up. This is what hooked me for. They were brilliant. And then Julia commented on them, and I was like, and I told everybody, I was like, You guys, Julia Mattison, like she's verified, like she likes my videos. Like I can't believe. So stupid. I know. But like that that's where we were back then. I was like, oh my god, you guys Julia likes my videos. She like laughed at them. She's like watching them. And then one day, go ahead.

[16:14] Julia Mattison: No, I just have to the the Joel Capella needs a moment of of reverence because I saw those. That's when I became like truly obsessed with Joel at Next Level, beyond like, oh, someone I love that I see at a party and whatever. Like I watched these on repeat, showed them to everyone. Showed them to everyone. Everybody I knew. Drew and I sing them around the house. We would start sharing that Drew's daughter Annie would start singing them. Uh that now to this day, even now, like maybe even yesterday, I'll be walking around and be like, it's a hairy nipple with a tiny mole. I'd have Joel Capella songs in my head for life. So everyone needs to go back and watch those.

[16:58] Joel Waggoner: Well, and now we have like how many songs have we written together? Like well, I don't know how many from the first Carolinder count of songs. Um, but they're we've got like over over 80.

[17:09] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[17:11] Joel Waggoner: Yeah. It's really a lot easier to write a lot of songs when they're only a minute. It's a balance to cap it.

[17:18] Julia Mattison: It is. And actually what we there's it's become a problem a little bit for me too, because now I have no attention span for a song longer than a minute. Like, and it's very easy for me to write a song that is a minute. No, it's like we just get to the juicy stuff. It's like, let's get to the climax, let's get to the bridge. We I'll think of it as like musical toppas. It's like a little sample platter of delicious bites, musical bites. Amoose bouches.

[17:41] Joel Waggoner: Amoose bouche. A castleette.

[17:45] Julia Mattison: Yes. I don't know what that is. So if you haven't already gone or seen to at Advent Carolinder on Instagram. Um the premise is every day in all of December, you drop one of these minute genius musical moments. And they're fully like you have s you are bedecked, right? You're bedazzled. You have on the Christmas garb, you have the Christmas background. Like, how did all of that work? Where were you? How are there so many? Um did you do one weekend? All of them?

[18:24] Joel Waggoner: All of them in one day. We do a 12-hour day. And no, sorry. This most recent one almost killed us, literally. The next day we were texting each other like from horizontal positions with sore bodies.

[18:40] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[18:41] Joel Waggoner: I didn't move once. It was like for the first year. So my our I went to um college with my dear friend Nathan Chang, who filmed all of these, and his production company, Holaloo Creative, um, which is brilliant. Um they're in Brooklyn, and um we when the last year when we did it, I I called him up and he's like, Yeah, I have a day free, come through, let's do this, this will be fun. And so last year we probably came in with 14-ish songs, like kind of written, and then we made up the rest and just had this day where we're like, let's see what happens. So a lot of those were improvised, and then this year, we I think we were a little more prepared with some fully written songs, but then like the last few weeks. I mean, there are a few in this 25 days that you were that we were gonna be like, what just happened there? We just made something up and threw it in the middle.

[19:34] Julia Mattison: Well, today's today's, for instance.

[19:36] Joel Waggoner: Yeah, today's was Same Note Christmas, which was just an idea where it was like, how about we do same note, we're singing the same note, and then I I like detour, and then like you go crazy on me. And so we just improvised a couple, and then there it was. Brilliant. They're so good.

[19:50] Julia Mattison: And today people can not get over themselves. It's really, I mean, it's I actually I realized even last year some I've noticed from some friends' comments. I was like, oh, actually, the ones that we made up last minute that we were like, I guess that counts as one, are some people's favorite ones. So we're like, let's just lighten the load, not stress ourselves out. It's all in good fun.

[20:09] Joel Waggoner: But the better.

[20:11] Julia Mattison: That's right. And I should shout out that these sweaters are from Marshall's. And the and the decorations are from Joel, do you want to share the dollar store that you have to do?

[20:24] Joel Waggoner: Oh, yes, they're from Yes, they are from a Mexican dollar store on the corner of Columbus in 104th. Um Felice, Felice by Felice Snobs. But part of the fun too is decorating it. Like, we spent like an hour and a half being like, no, move the bells toward the center. You know what? Put the stocking to the side. Sure. And Julia was like, I want the mistletoe here. And I was like, Yeah, my favorite too is we're all we're we're all very specific, like, and there's we all have an OCD side. Like, Julia's incredibly organized and has like mastered this entire store. We'll get to that in a little bit. Um, and that's part of what makes it fun. Is like we've we decorate everything and we get everything sort of to a T and planned enough, and then once the camera rolls, we it's we're complete idiots. So it's this combination of like organized chaos that sort of makes it easier to be dumb.

[21:24] Joel Waggoner: Um Yeah, I think that that totally makes sense in what I realize like my life's purpose is, and I think it's for both of us. I'm obsessed with like h meticulously planned, like high, highly executed dumb, like silly, dumb done really well is my world forever. It makes my heart sing, and so I think when I find friends to to play with who completely get that same world, that's what I think Joel and I found in each other too, where it's like, no, let's let's it's dumb silly, but like let's double down and make it do it right.

[22:01] Julia Mattison: And of course, like T is Julia and I Julia can sing literally any style, has the best range of all time, but she's like a ferocious writer and like lyricist and like and melodist. Like, she'll send me voice memos with that are so fully realized that I just have to write the chords down because I they're already in the melody. Um I remember like a couple of our ones this summer. Uh she did like um oh little bird from the Corlander this summer, or like oh yeah, um there were tons of them. She just sent me a whole voice a voice memo with the whole melody, and I would just I would just set it to music with it it took me as long to write it as it did for her to sing it.

[22:44] Julia Mattison: So she's a good composer too. It's and we both love to perform our own work, so and we love to sing in all different styles, and we like also take pride in our musicianship.

[22:54] Joel Waggoner: So I love I have this thing for like high, like uh for like music music with actual integrity, but like comedy with total disrespect for that integrity almost.

[23:09] Julia Mattison: Like I can't explain it. You know what I mean?

[23:12] Joel Waggoner: You both have resumes, right?

[23:16] Julia Mattison: Okay, done.

[23:17] Joel Waggoner: But what you both do well are individually and togetherly, just are operating on all your fucking A cylinders by doing what you do.

[23:32] Julia Mattison: Right?

[23:33] Joel Waggoner: So it's like that's when it's that's the that's the magic.

[23:38] Julia Mattison: Yeah, is your own work. I I I feel like that's the most i I mean it's fun, and I think Joel and I, you know, I have another writing partner that I write musicals with sometimes, and Joel and Joel is is a composer writing and uh we both it's whether it's to write something serious or if I'm writing a script for something or whatever, I think what I find is like it's fun to wear these different hats in a bunch of different ways, but it's all synthesized into this one kind of umbrella of of just like making making laughter, telling stories, putting that stuff out, but I do feel like the truest moments are when it just comes out of us, because it's like I just like know how this needs to be done, and I I love writing for other people as well, but there's something very freeing in just kind of being like, No, this is how we we know exactly how that level of silliness how it should be executed or whatever.

[24:30] Joel Waggoner: You know, it's it's fun to play our own play in our own sandbox, I guess, too.

[24:35] Julia Mattison: Like that makes us laugh so hard, hopefully, others will also enjoy it.

[24:39] Joel Waggoner: Exactly.

[24:40] Julia Mattison: Listen, that's always a lot of things.

[24:41] Joel Waggoner: That's the only trust I have.

[24:43] Julia Mattison: That's the only trust I have because I remember last year. Okay, so here's the thing about the advent character last year. So Nick Cordero and everyone was telling us to do something with these carols, particularly Stable Girl, which we sort of knew in our hearts was something, but we didn't know it would be, you know, what it ended up being. But we didn't record Advent Carol Chill the entire next year, right?

[25:04] Joel Waggoner: So the party was in 2018.

[25:06] Julia Mattison: We didn't do this until 2019.

[25:08] Joel Waggoner: And we were planning, and we we got together for one day and just sort of like fussed around. We were planning to do this from our phones in her apartment, like with a little fireplace in a tree. We were not planning to do it at Nathan's right off the bat. And then like a little bit before, like a week or so, maybe she was like, hey, you know that place where I've done my comedy reel before. They um my friend Nathan could film it for us. It would look kind of profession. And I was like, Julia, like, we haven't planned anything. Like, we can't have a professional taping of something that we're just making up. And she was like, No, it'll be cool, it'll be cool. But little did I know that like that was actually that was actually what sort of I think flipped it into a different category was that it it really looked good.

It looked like an IFC sort of TV show special. It looked like at home with Amy Sederis. Yeah. And what it sort of legitimized the it sort of legitimized the tomfoolery. But was so great is I didn't know it was gonna look that good. I thought it was just gonna be whatever.

[26:11] Julia Mattison: Oh my gosh!

[26:14] Joel Waggoner: Oh my gosh!

[26:15] Julia Mattison: I'm good!

[26:16] Joel Waggoner: I missed it!

[26:18] Julia Mattison: Did you fall from a sitting position?

[26:20] Joel Waggoner: I fell from a sitting position.

[26:23] Julia Mattison: I am I am rattled. The glory it was a top full setup Bob's burger calendar.

[26:33] Joel Waggoner: Yeah.

[26:33] Julia Mattison: Wait, it was an arms up, gorgeous fall.

[26:38] Joel Waggoner: That was one of the greatest things I've ever went.

[26:40] Julia Mattison: It's only because you're okay.

[26:42] Joel Waggoner: I tripped over those fucking play-dills.

[26:45] Julia Mattison: Oh my god.

[26:46] Joel Waggoner: From a sitting position?

[26:47] Julia Mattison: No, I'm standing. I went full down.

[26:50] Joel Waggoner: Full down.

[26:52] Julia Mattison: Full of my head out. There was there was also a siren at the same time. I was like, oh, they knew they knew it happened.

[26:59] Joel Waggoner: Oh my god, that was I've fallen and I can't get up.

[27:06] Julia Mattison: Oh, that's that's actually one of the calendars we didn't film this year was something along those lines. It was gonna be a grandpa Joe, uh, like not selfish grandpa Joe not getting out of bed for the golden ticket kind of thing of like a guy's business. I have anything like whatever years, he's the worst. And then that he stands and then falls. We never really found the uh the joke.

[27:29] Joel Waggoner: Dana found it.

[27:31] Julia Mattison: I found it.

[27:32] Joel Waggoner: Yeah, you found it. A fall's always funny.

[27:35] Julia Mattison: As long as everyone's okay.

[27:36] Joel Waggoner: That was a legit that was fierce. Anyway, but we were I'll just go back into it if that's weird. So we were filming with all this equipment. I didn't know what it was gonna look like, and I couldn't tell what was a good take or a bad take because I was like, I either laughed during it or it felt messy to me because I'm a perfectionist. And Julie was like, nope, we have it, that's it, let's move on. And I was like, are you kidding me?

[27:59] Joel Waggoner: And then uh not that I didn't trust her already, but then when they came out, I trusted her even more tenfold because the takes that I thought were messy and sloppy are the best golden, like magic takes where it's like either I crack up during it, or we're both or the improvs are so unhinged but match up.

[28:21] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[28:22] Joel Waggoner: Like we did this holiday ambience ambiance one. Anyway, go ahead.

[28:25] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[28:26] Joel Waggoner: No, that's my favorite thing about filming comedy is that it when it as opposed to live anything that you kind of try over and over again, or you're doing on stage, like something filmed, it's like it's you capture lightning in a bottle, and then you know once you once you get it, you don't have to do it again. Like it's funnier when it is like a magical energy that can't be repeated, and then you're like, great, let's move on.

[28:48] Joel Waggoner: And all this is like having Nathan behind the camera is is such our is our is our anchor and God's end because I think he's the one can that can also remind us like this is for fun, this is silly, like we've got it, trust me, that's the one, and we're like, great, we can move on. Cause I think we can, you know, be in our and he's yeah, and he's a performer and uh and like a hilarious person. So he can be like, you know what'd be really funny is add these head motions or keep your eyes open for this, it's funny, or um if he's laughing his ass off and falls off his chair, then we know we've got it too, you know.

[29:25] Julia Mattison: Yeah, yeah.

[29:26] Joel Waggoner: Oh, an extra pair of eyes is everything.

[29:29] Julia Mattison: Absolutely, and just a little bit of an audience. But yeah, last year was so much fun, and like I think it what I I was out of the country during most of it because I was touring on a little gay river boat in Europe. But every single day I got one, I didn't remember what we filmed. Because it had been such a whirlwind of a day. So every day that Julia posted, I was like, oh my god, not only am I seeing this for the first time, but so is everyone else, and it was so fun, and December flew by so fast. And it's what's happening this year too.

[29:56] Julia Mattison: I know it's already the seventh.

[30:01] Joel Waggoner: What was your timetable this year? You knew you wanted to like film them again. Like what when did the um the action start?

[30:09] Julia Mattison: You'd think having an entire year of knowing we wanted to do another one would have made us build a list throughout the year, but it was right before it. We filmed the week of Thanksgiving, probably that Sunday before Thanksgiving, all in a day, and and and maybe a week before that, or a few days before that, Joel had gotten back into town and we had separately built been having like a Google Doc that had been we had been working on it, but then we had like a day together, um, to hammer out some new ones and put chords to some other ideas and share stuff. But oh she was slapdash, she was last minute, and uh but th I think we weren't more a little more prepared even even so we were a little more prepared this year. Um but it was much harder this year. It was so exhausting, and we were both I think there was like the sophomore slump thing. It's like, wait, we have to top ourselves. We did it last year, we have to, you know.

[31:01] Joel Waggoner: Yeah, that's it. And the villagers wanted that. You know, at the end of last year, they were like, more, can you do 4th of July stuff? You're like exactly what?

[31:10] Julia Mattison: Yeah, what's next? Isn't that like as the Jew at the table? Isn't that what an advent calendar like does? Like you get like little chocolates every day and then you're like, I want more, and you're like, No, you're cut off.

[31:21] Joel Waggoner: Right.

[31:21] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[31:22] Joel Waggoner: So it's kind of like a dub I am. And that's s that's sort of why we did the summer stuff with the COVID coral under, because we were just like, Well, everyone's at home and we need something to do. And so we wrote a bunch of tunes, and that's what actually the continuation of our collaboration out of the holidays in the Covid Coralinder is sort of what I think gathered some gathered us some more steam. But and then we ended up singing on um backup for Ben Platt on the Jimmy Kimmel live show, which was super cool. And also very surreal because I recorded that from my house in Iowa and then was like on national TV. It was so weird.

[32:02] Julia Mattison: Yeah, but I filmed it from a cabin in the woods.

[32:05] Joel Waggoner: Oh yeah, that's where you filmed um and the same cabin you filmed uh new cough.

[32:10] Julia Mattison: Yeah, that's right.

[32:11] Joel Waggoner: Yeah. With the creeky. I was out in the woods with horrible Wi-Fi. And then being like, hold on, I have to go film this thing for Jimmy Kimmel live for Adrian Galato with Joel. It was so funny. Very surreal. Very like all of this gear feels fake. And thank God for Ben, you know, he's just like posted our stuff and you know, lots of people, but he's been like, you know, total champion. It's just been really fun.

[32:37] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[32:38] Joel Waggoner: Ah, you guys.

[32:41] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[32:41] Joel Waggoner: It was a good adventure. Are we gonna do it again?

[32:45] Julia Mattison: I don't know if we can. I like here's the thing. I can't think about it right now because A, we haven't even gotten through this month. I'm still tired. I'm still tired. Here's the thing about it though. This is so so wacko. It's like we actually we worked together that Saturday right before we filmed. So the day before I went to her house, we ordered like lunch and dinner. Dre Drew was so sweet and would be like look over the balcony and be like, guys, you need a break. You need to take a walk. Because we would just be like in a K hole, be like, how do we get this alert? Well, we worked that whole day.

[33:19] Joel Waggoner: Yeah. And we were beat from that day. And then the next day we got there, and we even started the day, like, oh man, we've really set up ourselves. Sustainable lifestyle. It is a well also the ones that the ones that we had written. An impossible lifestyle.

[33:34] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[33:35] Joel Waggoner: The one the ones that we had like written and stuff took actually take some like rehearsal. Because uh that's the other gag is that we wanted to give. We wanted to have a couple that were like, wait, who music directed this? Who arranged this? Right. And then a couple, and then a bunch of them that are like, y'all made that up right then. Like, you know.

[33:54] Julia Mattison: That's why it's like ha Joel came in with the full arrangement of On the Brink, giving like we I the only thing I helped with lyrics, but otherwise I was it was like, teach me this arrangement, because oh my god. And then we were like, let's start with a bang with a musical bang. I I'm so obsessed with that whole arrangement. I was like, oh, this is next level from from last year. And so there is fun it's fun to have that mixed with the nonsense. Um but it's funny because I'm I'm thinking like I feel like we could do it again next year. I do think like long game, it is the like when does this end? Because like once you have a hundred carols, that's too many carols. Like, you might want to expand on ones you have.

I think what we should secret into the universe is that we should have a holiday variety show special with some sketches and songs, and we I think it would be really fun to turn it into like you know, us by the fireplace and going off into magical worlds, like an old variety show Christmas special or something.

[34:51] Julia Mattison: Yeah, and you could like debut a new one.

[34:53] Joel Waggoner: Yeah, exactly. Like something a little more, but I don't know. I think we have we could uh I bet we have one more year in us. We'll see. I would love it if we could get sponsored for that year. That would be fun. But I I totally agree. I think the Christ. I think the Christmas uh variety show is an awesome idea because we could also sing ones, you know, especially if it gets a wider audience, we could sing ones we've already written, like from this year or last or whatever.

[35:14] Julia Mattison: Absolutely.

[35:15] Joel Waggoner: But also Judy Garland special.

[35:17] Julia Mattison: Yes, exactly. I think in our heart of hearts, though, uh Julian, correct me if I'm wrong here, but like we really just feel like a a a fucking like insane live show would be so much fun.

[35:33] Joel Waggoner: Yeah, that'll be really fun too. You know what I mean?

[35:36] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[35:39] Joel Waggoner: I mean, it's the f the reason we did it the first time at a party and then filmed it these two times. It's like if it ever gets more intense than just being like a joyful fun thing that makes us laugh and makes other people laugh. Like, I think it's missed the point. Like, I think the fact that it has a light touch, that it is something we put this really intense, fast, immediate effort into, but then it's something that like makes other people laugh during the holidays, and is just something to like connect with other people, and it really does make the month fly by. I think to me, there is something that I love and I I hope, you know, that we continue on with because that is that base level is just like it's just fun, it's just joy, it's a good giggle, you know.

[36:22] Julia Mattison: It's nothing more righteous than that, you know, and I think that's important.

[36:26] Joel Waggoner: It's also so cool. It's cool because like the day we made it, of course, we said it was we were so beat. Like, and the la and whatever we post on Christmas Day, the the last Christmas Day, we literally filmed at like 1:30 a.m. Like cooked. Cooked to the but we were bone broth. We were dumpling people, we were the we had nothing inside. We were rice rappers, we were wonton rappers. You could see through us a little bit. We were wasted away. And then the next day we basically had to live in an ice bath. And like, of course, I was so we and and here's the thing we didn't tell each other to like drink water or anything during the day. We drink water that day. Big mistake. We were idiots. Are you like the New England Patriots icebergs?

No. Instead, we had cocktails, but we never like had water. So the day after we're like, we hurt because we're now old. And but what I love about it though is that like that day was looking back at that day. I was like, we really were first of all out of shape. We haven't been performing all year, or working that long of an hour always. It was just like wow. Like even sitting up straight for that long was like there are muscles inside here.

[37:44] Julia Mattison: But what's cool about it?

[37:46] Joel Waggoner: We haven't sat up straight in this whole podcast. It's like running um, it's like what I imagine would be running a marathon and getting like a picture of you running across the finish line and then being totally destroyed physically for a while, but then you have that picture of you running the marathon, so you did it, and you get to like watch it and be reminded that you did it like every day of December, and then have people be like every single day be like, look what you did, you ran a marathon, and it's like, yeah.

[38:16] Julia Mattison: Yeah, and it makes it worth the fact that you destroyed your body a little bit, but um it's gonna take us months to heal.

[38:24] Joel Waggoner: Yeah, I guess months we need to go to some physical therapy, candy ranch.

[38:30] Julia Mattison: I have a question about the the creation of it. Um it seems like you both have the same brain, right?

[38:40] Joel Waggoner: We have real crisscross, real melded brain.

[38:42] Julia Mattison: Real crisscross brain.

[38:44] Joel Waggoner: Have you ever gotten into a little like kerfuff? Or a little like that's not funny, or this could be funnier, or those kind of like little, or are they too quick to like talk about those things?

[38:58] Julia Mattison: Oh, you'd be you'd be amazed at how much we'll break down uh and and I might be more so the like nah we have to justify this lyric. Like I think in different points. Like I think we both get perfectionist in certain spots, and I think we'll both kind of be like, you know, we can come to a spot be like, I really feel like this is what'll nail it and or make this joke come across, but like, wait, we have to remember, you know, like little little random things. Like it's it's funny, and kind of a thing that over all these years that I've come to to love, like when it's weird when comedy feels like work, because it's like, well, you should just laugh naturally and trust it, and like most of the time you follow that, but like it does take some, it is math, it is rhythm, it is, you know, like it's fun to do that work.

And so I think sometimes we've definitely kind of let alone like on that day where it's like we're both just, you know, like tired and and feeling like are we gonna get this all done and everything, and kind of, you know, definitely moments where it was like, wait, what am I supposed to say here? And like, what is this? Like, there was one one part, there's a song that we didn't fully find, but it was called Passive Aggressive Christmas. And uh we both just sat there and said passive aggressive um uh Christmas phrases. And I remember going back and forth, and I remember realizing it was like in the 11th hour, and I was like having to acknowledge, was like, my brain is dying right now. I was like, I have nothing to offer, and I'm saying things that aren't working and I kind of I was like I had to raise the white flag and just be like I'm sorry I have to be the one to be like I can't bring this to something glorious right now because it would get hard at times.

[40:41] Julia Mattison: Oh yeah that day particularly there were times where it's just like I I can't work on this one. We had another one too that was like we had another one called I Can't Stop Eating that we didn't do. And we we couldn't agree on the melody that felt right because she'd be like I think it's this and I was like I feel like the fun I feel like it's funnier if it's faster. And then she's like well what about this and then we went back and forth and I was like I I had to raise my right flag and I was like I'm not feeling this one. I gotta be honest. I think we need to move on. Let's circle back yeah yeah and that's exactly we did never circle back and we found enough of the other ones. I think what's fun too is well what's fun um is like I trust Julia more than myself in a lot of ways because she's like the Tina Fay of everything to me and like she's also really decisive and like if I make her laugh it's done for me.

So like I'll just I'll just keep going and if I if I get nothing then I'll keep going and if I get something or if I even get like oh yeah that could work then like I'm sold but I'll just keep going until she cracks a smile or something. Um like one lyric from the bottom is me Santa. The bottomized me Santa we were like hitting a wall and I was like something like um I said something like uh we just couldn't get the couldn't get the final thing and I was like soak it in Jin and put it back in and I remember she looked up from the couch and she was like wait yes.

[42:03] Julia Mattison: And I remember that moment I was like, okay, we're gonna finish the song today.

[42:06] Joel Waggoner: Yes, exactly. Yeah, because that was one where it was like I had sent you a voice note and I had this piece of it, and then that was, yeah, you were like, uh, the Sogan Jin and put it back in and send the bill to Uncle Sam was me throwing in the ending, and I was like, um, that's the button this deserves.

[42:23] Julia Mattison: We'll make America pay for this lobotomy.

[42:27] Joel Waggoner: But there was another one, speaking of the like making me laugh thing, it was like in this list of like ones that are meticulous versus ones that are silly. There was one when I was over here, like kind of the end of the night here on the day before, and I was like, maybe we just need one that's a little boppy, a little this, a little that, and I like made up, I think what I imagined in my mind was just like filler lyrics, like just something silly nonsense, whatever.

[42:53] Julia Mattison: And it made me laugh so hard. And it has nothing to do with the holidays or Christmas, and I was like, we're not changing a thing. That's the song, let's expand it, that's it. Like some I love the moments when just like the laugh wins the gold medal, that's it.

[43:11] Joel Waggoner: No need to think further. And that's the best part about filming too, is like it's such a weird combination of a day because it's a combination of pressure we put on ourselves to perform it well and to do it well and to sing well and to actually execute it well, uh in combination with stress of are we gonna finish this all today?

[43:29] Julia Mattison: Combined with the enormous amount of honestly rare laughter that you don't get on the daily. Like, how often do you laugh so hard that you're not making a sound?

[43:42] Joel Waggoner: The silent yeah, exactly. Like very rarely, like maybe on a game night with friends, but these days, like you don't get that, and we have that and combined with all the other things all day long.

[43:52] Julia Mattison: We can't make it through, we couldn't make it through very, very, very many. I think it's gonna be a juicy blooper, juicy blooper.

[43:58] Joel Waggoner: Welcome to the stage. Juicy blooper. Juicy bloops.

[44:02] Julia Mattison: She's a Canadian actress.

[44:04] Joel Waggoner: She's a Canadian actress.

[44:05] Julia Mattison: Um, but that's what's so fun too. And it's such a weird, uh, it was probably like the most fun day I've had all year because we're just laughing our asses off, and then trying to get immediately trying to get back on it and be like, okay, it's not funny anymore.

[44:20] Joel Waggoner: We gotta get this out. We have to get the right take. I don't know, and I think people, I think people like we have to get the right take.

[44:26] Julia Mattison: And that's what's hard too, especially with the ones you're improvising, because when we put ourselves when we set ourselves up to improvise more, we're setting ourselves up to surprise one another more, and that's a recipe for only bloopers and getting nothing done.

[44:39] Joel Waggoner: So we, that's why I love improv in theory, maybe not like in a classroom setting, but like as people, like I love that.

[44:50] Julia Mattison: Yeah, because then you find the magic that you wouldn't have like prepared for. Like it is the surprising stuff, but then there are a few of those, and but then the trick is like, okay, capture it, harness it, like clean it up, and then when we do the take where it's like not as funny as it was to us the first time that we're like, we still have to make sure.

[45:10] Joel Waggoner: But again, like I mean, there are a few of those. We were like, I think there's one song that we never got a non-laugh take, and I'm so happy about it.

[45:18] Julia Mattison: Because I think it'll just be ridiculous because we were like, I guess this is it. And then on top of all that like weird pressure we put on ourselves, we text each other like the day that we got the first batch, and we're like tacking back and forth, and we're like, oh my god, I'm so flat on the last note.

[45:36] Joel Waggoner: Oh my god, all my friends are gonna think I'm not a musician, they're gonna think I'm flat. Like, I'm so, so we'll go back like and then we're like, wait a second, like zoom out, people are gonna just be laughing.

[45:46] Julia Mattison: You know it's bullshit. Just for fun.

[45:49] Joel Waggoner: I know. We kind of, yeah. Drew would remind me that he was like, you guys are doing this for fun. You remember that, right? Like, this is just something that's not.

[45:55] Julia Mattison: We're like, no, but it has to be perfect. It must be executed masterfully.

[46:01] Joel Waggoner: I know. And that's what's great about it too, is like the, uh, the people who are watching, like help us remind it or remind us that like they like all the stuff that is sort of off the rails, too, you know.

[46:13] Julia Mattison: Mm-hmm.

[46:14] Joel Waggoner: Yeah. Uh, it's been so much fun just to sit and I enjoy them every day. I enjoy watching the reactions every day.

[46:20] Julia Mattison: Um, you know, it makes me just like, oh man, these are coming out so fast. Like, I want to cherish the, you know.

[46:28] Joel Waggoner: And it's the same thing. The same thing's happening. Where we're just like rema, I forget every day until Nathan sends us the next batch.

[46:37] Julia Mattison: Like, what's next? And so we're like, oh right, that was an hour four, and that one just flew by. We don't remember that one at all.

[46:44] Joel Waggoner: No.

[46:44] Julia Mattison: So it's fun to see. Did you guys put together like a running order that you want these out in, or do you get a batch and then pick from there what to do next?

[46:54] Joel Waggoner: After the first, we knew the first three, or the order of the first two, and then once the first one was out, I think I, to the best of my messy memory of realizing I don't remember a lot of the songs we did, I was like, here's an attempt at a list, and then Julia was like, here's let's move this and try this.

[47:11] Julia Mattison: Like, we basically were just like, here's our loose, let's see if this gets us to day 25.

[47:17] Joel Waggoner: And um, I think it's actually working well because we just wanted to balance out ballads and up tempos and like the complex ones with the silly nonsense or whatever.

[47:27] Julia Mattison: I hope I'm there are seven very well-known dwarves in history. If you were the eighth dwarf, what would your name be?

[47:42] Joel Waggoner: I'm gonna go with um, I think the dwarf name would be Bubbles.

[47:55] Julia Mattison: Bubbles, the slutty dwarf on all fours. She's always got a cheese plate.

[48:03] Joel Waggoner: Yes. Everywhere she goes.

[48:06] Julia Mattison: And some bubbles.

[48:10] Joel Waggoner: Julie.

[48:12] Julia Mattison: I would be.

[48:15] Joel Waggoner: I think I would be cozy.

[48:17] Julia Mattison: Give me a blanket and a couch and a candle and a night in and wrap me up like a burrito, and I will just I'll be like, you guys have fun, I'll see you later.

[48:26] Joel Waggoner: I'm the story because he's cozy dwarf.

[48:31] Julia Mattison: Cozy and Bubs.

[48:33] Joel Waggoner: Alright. There are a random number of reindeer in Santa's sleigh.

[48:42] Julia Mattison: Um, if you were the one to guide his sleigh tonight, what would your name be?

[48:47] Joel Waggoner: Dasher, dancer, prancer, fix.

[48:49] Julia Mattison: Prancer, Bixon.

[48:50] Joel Waggoner: Cupid, Don or Bixon.

[48:51] Julia Mattison: Don or Blitzen.

[48:53] Joel Waggoner: Rudolph.

[48:54] Julia Mattison: I think I'm gonna think of it like, okay, so I don't want to be Rudolph because I don't want the pressure on me.

[49:00] Joel Waggoner: But I think I would replace when Dasher or Dancer retire, because I imagine they're at the front.

[49:05] Julia Mattison: Um, unless Donna or Blitzen, I don't know the order of how things go, but I'm gonna treat this like a roller coaster.

[49:10] Joel Waggoner: I like to be in the front to see the full-on magic flying view.

[49:16] Julia Mattison: I don't want to miss the view and see another reindeer's butt.

[49:19] Joel Waggoner: So I'm gonna, I'm gonna be up front and replace whichever reindeer retires, and I will make my name um, Shonda.

[49:33] Julia Mattison: Now, are you sled right or sled left?

[49:36] Joel Waggoner: I am, I am sled left.

[49:44] Julia Mattison: I'm trying to think like when you fly into New York and which side you want to be on to look over the city.

[49:48] Joel Waggoner: I want like, I want to pick the right views.

[49:51] Julia Mattison: Where are you flying from? That's the question.

[49:53] Joel Waggoner: Yeah, where are you flying from?

[49:54] Julia Mattison: So, like, I guess the order doesn't matter because we fly everywhere, you know, with Santa.

[49:57] Joel Waggoner: But I'm gonna say, no, I'll go right. I'm right-handed. I'll be more helpful that way.

[50:03] Julia Mattison: Great. Thank you.

[50:07] Joel Waggoner: I um, this is hard.

[50:10] Julia Mattison: I think I want to be.

[50:14] Joel Waggoner: I wanna be in the sleigh.

[50:16] Julia Mattison: I don't want to have to work and like run or ride it.

[50:20] Joel Waggoner: So I'm with Santa.

[50:21] Julia Mattison: Yeah, so I'm gonna actually be uh, I'm gonna be a teacup reindeer that sits on a little pillow, and his name is Pigeon.

[50:31] Joel Waggoner: Adorable.

[50:32] Julia Mattison: Where's the children's book for that?

[50:35] Joel Waggoner: I know, right?

[50:39] Julia Mattison: Pigeon the teacup reindeer had a very small disposition.

[50:44] Joel Waggoner: On a little velvet pillow next to Santa.

[50:47] Julia Mattison: He didn't do shit.

[50:49] Joel Waggoner: Exactly.

[50:50] Julia Mattison: His organs might fail any day of the week because he's very malnutrition.

[50:57] Joel Waggoner: Keep him under blankets, 'cause he's called like a chihuahua.

[51:01] Julia Mattison: Shivering, shivering.

[51:05] Joel Waggoner: He was an accident.

[51:08] Julia Mattison: He was an accident caused by DNA and inbreeding from the other reindeer.

[51:16] Joel Waggoner: Pigeon the teacup reindeer.

[51:20] Julia Mattison: He'll go down in his stuff.

[51:23] Joel Waggoner: Oh no.

[51:23] Julia Mattison: Oh no, he stopped breathing.

[51:24] Joel Waggoner: He stopped breathing.

[51:26] Julia Mattison: Pigeon.

[51:27] Joel Waggoner: Pigeon.

[51:28] Julia Mattison: Someone get him.

[51:29] Joel Waggoner: Give him a snack.

[51:30] Julia Mattison: Give him his fruit snack.

[51:31] Joel Waggoner: Give him a fruit snack.

[51:32] Julia Mattison: That's good.

[51:33] Joel Waggoner: Pet him.

[51:33] Julia Mattison: Pet him till he gets back up.

[51:35] Joel Waggoner: Or Pigeon.

[51:36] Julia Mattison: He's awake.

[51:38] Joel Waggoner: He's awake, yeah.

[51:41] Julia Mattison: Oh, bless Pidge.

[51:42] Joel Waggoner: Maybe that's well.

[51:43] Julia Mattison: We already wrote one for next year, so your listeners will say December 32nd.

[51:49] Joel Waggoner: Head start.

[51:50] Julia Mattison: I like that it starts with a baseline.

[51:51] Joel Waggoner: It's like well, Joel and Julia, we've reached the end of our time, which is boots.

[52:02] Julia Mattison: McBoots.

[52:03] Joel Waggoner: But where can people find you?

[52:07] Julia Mattison: Where can people buy your stuff online?

[52:10] Joel Waggoner: This is worth the spelling of at Advent Carolndar, where Carol snuck into calendar.

[52:17] Julia Mattison: So A-D-V-E-N-T C-A-R-O-L N-D-A-R.

[52:24] Joel Waggoner: Once you got that, you're flying, baby.

[52:27] Julia Mattison: We're AdventCarolndarstore.com.

[52:31] Joel Waggoner: We're at AdventCalendar on all the things.

[52:35] Julia Mattison: Or not on Added a TikTok.

[52:40] Joel Waggoner: Oh, we're on TikTok.

[52:42] Julia Mattison: Um, I think on YouTube it's Joel and Julia's Carol collection, just to keep it a broad sweeping thing.

[52:48] Joel Waggoner: We've really just kind of spread out, spread eagle on all the socials just to see what happens.

[52:48] Julia Mattison: Yeah, we really, we're not all, you know, erupting at the same speed, but we're just trying to see what happens to spread.

[53:02] Joel Waggoner: Spread the good news to anyone that'll watch it this year.

[53:07] Julia Mattison: Yeah.

[53:07] Joel Waggoner: And where can people find you individually and keep up with you in the other 11 months of the year?

[53:13] Julia Mattison: Yes, Joel, take it away.

[53:16] Joel Waggoner: You first.

[53:33] Julia Mattison: And that's uh my handle.

[53:38] Joel Waggoner: And that's where I'm at.

[53:39] Julia Mattison: I don't post much, but I do post stories and really just go to just go buy some nonsense stuff from the store and support us.

[53:46] Joel Waggoner: And if you know somebody who like can get us, you know, on Allen, that'd be great.

[53:54] Julia Mattison: I love that.

[53:55] Joel Waggoner: That Santa's wish list.

[53:57] Julia Mattison: Yeah, get us on Allen, that'd be awesome.

[53:59] Joel Waggoner: Um, and I'm, I'm also an Instagram queen.

[54:01] Julia Mattison: I don't really go on much many of the others.

[54:04] Joel Waggoner: I'm at Julia Matt.

[54:06] Julia Mattison: That's Julia J-U-L-I-A as in away we go.

[54:12] Joel Waggoner: M A T as in Tootsie Roll.

[54:18] Julia Mattison: I like that we're, I like that we're only sp um putting words to like two of the letters in our.

[54:18] Joel Waggoner: Thanks for having us.

[54:27] Julia Mattison: That's H and Hoo whoa there.

[54:31] Joel Waggoner: And uh that's an uh that's an S and us as in Hi Linda.

[54:38] Julia Mattison: Yeah, I'm sighing.

[54:42] Joel Waggoner: Like a sigh.

[54:43] Julia Mattison: Yawn.

[54:44] Joel Waggoner: Thank you for being here.

[54:46] Julia Mattison: Duh, thanks for asking us.

[54:48] Joel Waggoner: Yeah, we loved it.

[54:50] Julia Mattison: On that note.

[54:51] Julia Mattison: Bye.

[54:52] Joel Waggoner: Bye.

[55:02] Steven Ferezy: In the Room with Steven and Dana is produced by Steven Ferezy.

[55:06] Dana Craig: And Dana Craig.

[55:08] Steven Ferezy: Special thanks to Joel Waggoner for tinkling the ivories on our theme song.

[55:12] Dana Craig: Hit him up at JoelWaggoner.com.

[55:15] Steven Ferezy: We apologize, and you're welcome.

[55:17] Dana Craig: We'd also like to thank Jesse Wiener, W-I-E-N-E-R, for our jazzy original music sprinkled throughout each episode.

[55:25] Steven Ferezy: You can find him at jessewiener.com.

[55:28] Dana Craig: Last but certainly not least, we'd like to thank Kevin Thomas Garcia for taking all of our ridiculous photos.

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