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[0:00] Steven Ferezy: Take one.

[0:01] Dana Craig: Knuck knock.

[0:04] Steven Ferezy: We're Steven and Dana.

[0:05] Dana Craig: We can't believe you thought it looking on.

[0:10] Steven Ferezy: We are so glad you're listening to it.

[0:12] Dana Craig: We would never listen to.

[0:13] Steven Ferezy: But I don't even want to listen to it to edit it.

[0:15] Dana Craig: I don't even want to wake up in the morning.

[0:18] Steven Ferezy: Steven and Dana.

[0:20] Dana Craig: In the room.

[0:22] Steven Ferezy: Reindeer are better than people.

[0:25] Dana Craig: Thank you.

[0:26] Steven Ferezy: Thank you for agreeing.

[0:38] Dana Craig: Moon and we're home.

[0:41] Steven Ferezy: Yes.

[0:42] Dana Craig: Come on.

[0:43] Katrina Newman: Hi, Katrina Newman.

[0:44] Steven Ferezy: Hi guys.

[0:46] Dana Craig: Hi.

[0:47] Steven Ferezy: Okay, we are coming hot off of Halloween.

[0:50] Dana Craig: Oh.

[0:51] Steven Ferezy: We did.

[0:51] Dana Craig: We had some costume queens out there.

[0:53] Steven Ferezy: I am sure you did.

[0:55] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[0:55] Steven Ferezy: Let us hear it.

[0:56] Dana Craig: I mean, what did we do?

[0:58] Steven Ferezy: Half the world was your actual queen, Queen Elsa of Arendelle.

[1:02] Dana Craig: Oh, so many Annas and Elsas.

[1:04] Steven Ferezy: OMGY.

[1:06] Dana Craig: I mean, it continues to be the overwhelmingly popular costume.

[1:10] Steven Ferezy: You know, I did actually go trick-or-treating with some friends in Connecticut on Halloween evening.

[1:15] Dana Craig: And the youngest little girl, well, Molly, she wore an Anna dress, the coronation dress, you know, the big embroidery green dress.

[1:24] Steven Ferezy: I was like, You're Princess Anna?

[1:25] Dana Craig: She was like, no, I am green princess.

[1:29] Steven Ferezy: Oh, you got served on my setting.

[1:32] Dana Craig: Okay, girl.

[1:33] Steven Ferezy: She looked great.

[1:35] Dana Craig: She added some, she accessorized herself. She had some green gloves, a green tiara, a green wand.

[1:39] Steven Ferezy: She was green princess.

[1:40] Dana Craig: I love her.

[1:42] Steven Ferezy: I love that.

[1:42] Dana Craig: She's like, don't call me that.

[1:44] Steven Ferezy: Come on.

[1:45] Dana Craig: Don't call me that you yes and did, and you didn't crack.

[1:48] Steven Ferezy: That dress is off the rack.

[1:50] Dana Craig: I feel like great.

[1:51] Steven Ferezy: This is the first year that I have not dressed up in my entire life.

[1:56] Dana Craig: At all.

[1:56] Steven Ferezy: At all.

[1:57] Dana Craig: Well, you know what I mean?

[1:58] Steven Ferezy: I mean, we all know you went all out in 2016.

[2:02] Dana Craig: I sure did.

[2:03] Steven Ferezy: I mean, our listeners have heard that story many times.

[2:07] Dana Craig: I don't know if Katrina has not yet.

[2:09] Steven Ferezy: What was the big costume of 2016?

[2:11] Dana Craig: I went to Bette Midler's Halloween.

[2:14] Katrina Newman: Oh, yes.

[2:15] Dana Craig: Yes.

[2:16] Steven Ferezy: That is good.

[2:17] Dana Craig: It was pre-Bette Midler on Broadway.

[2:19] Steven Ferezy: You know, so like now all of my friends go.

[2:22] Dana Craig: And like I know a lot more people. When I went in 2016, it was like me, Kathy Griffin, Marc Jacobs, Debbie Harry.

[2:30] Steven Ferezy: Casual.

[2:31] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[2:31] Steven Ferezy: Just a couple acquaintances.

[2:33] Dana Craig: Casual.

[2:34] Steven Ferezy: Casual.

[2:35] Dana Craig: Um Alan Alda, Gloria Steinem.

[2:38] Steven Ferezy: Honey.

[2:39] Dana Craig: It was so great.

[2:40] Steven Ferezy: And it was like a witch's theme, so I did kind of like the Hocus Pocus.

[2:43] Dana Craig: She went as Hocus Pocus Bette.

[2:46] Steven Ferezy: Which was fucking thrilling.

[2:47] Dana Craig: That's all you want to see.

[2:48] Steven Ferezy: It's thrilling.

[2:49] Dana Craig: That's all you want to see.

[2:50] Steven Ferezy: But this year I'm like, oh, I've gone out my entire life just like to the nines.

[2:55] Dana Craig: This year I just want to cook and watch The Shining, which we did.

[2:58] Steven Ferezy: Perfect.

[2:59] Dana Craig: It was perfect.

[3:00] Steven Ferezy: Sometimes you just gotta stay in it.

[3:01] Dana Craig: And I just didn't know I have a nephew.

[3:01] Steven Ferezy: It was a blustery Eve.

[3:01] Dana Craig: I have a nephew, and my joy now is to see his first Halloween.

[3:10] Steven Ferezy: He went as a little skunk.

[3:14] Dana Craig: Little stinker.

[3:17] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[3:18] Dana Craig: He's a cutie.

[3:19] Steven Ferezy: That's adorable.

[3:20] Dana Craig: He's related to you.

[3:22] Steven Ferezy: Steven famously hates Halloween.

[3:24] Dana Craig: Can I just can I come out and say that?

[3:26] Steven Ferezy: I don't know that I actively hate it.

[3:28] Dana Craig: I have nothing against those who participate.

[3:30] Steven Ferezy: It's not.

[3:31] Dana Craig: You enjoy watching people dress up.

[3:34] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[3:35] Dana Craig: You enjoy seeing it.

[3:36] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[3:36] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[3:37] Steven Ferezy: I'm a good spectator usually too.

[3:38] Dana Craig: I like when it gets creative.

[3:40] Steven Ferezy: I like the play on words costumes.

[3:42] Dana Craig: I just thought of one an incredible Halloween costume today.

[3:45] Steven Ferezy: Maybe we should do it next year.

[3:47] Dana Craig: I need to write these down at this time of year.

[3:50] Steven Ferezy: Because some it's like on the brain.

[3:52] Dana Craig: I have beautiful ideas.

[3:53] Steven Ferezy: Well, I'll preface it with um We'll be the judge of that.

[3:57] Dana Craig: I think it's good.

[3:58] Steven Ferezy: We had um some Taco Bell catered in to my theater the other day, and people were talking about what they ate, and I was like, Well, that's a brilliant costume.

[4:07] Dana Craig: They were like, What?

[4:08] Steven Ferezy: I was like, picture it. Three women. It could be in drag, brown beehive hairdos, lots of sequins, some sort of, you know, dress made out of Taco Bell wrappers, and you are the Crunch Wrap Supremes.

[4:24] Dana Craig: What did I just eat?

[4:26] Steven Ferezy: Out in the kitchen, Steven.

[4:27] Dana Craig: What did I find?

[4:28] Steven Ferezy: Bunch of Taco Bells.

[4:29] Dana Craig: I just did you have a Crunch Wrap Supreme in my face.

[4:34] Steven Ferezy: Do you see it though?

[4:35] Dana Craig: Crunch.

[4:36] Steven Ferezy: You love a plan.

[4:38] Dana Craig: They're in a Taco Bell wrapper dress.

[4:42] Steven Ferezy: That's so silly.

[4:43] Dana Craig: So good.

[4:44] Steven Ferezy: It's so silly.

[4:45] Dana Craig: So this I did dress up this year.

[4:46] Steven Ferezy: Usually I'm with you, Steven.

[4:47] Dana Craig: Usually I'm like, costumes are my life.

[4:49] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[4:50] Dana Craig: I don't need to spend money or put in effort on something like that.

[4:53] Steven Ferezy: Like one of civilians have fun.

[4:55] Dana Craig: Like all the civilians.

[4:56] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[4:56] Dana Craig: They're having fun.

[4:58] Steven Ferezy: That's work for me.

[4:59] Dana Craig: Um, but it is like straight people drag.

[5:02] Steven Ferezy: You know, it's like when they get to have fun.

[5:04] Dana Craig: Right.

[5:04] Steven Ferezy: It's like gay people always get to have fun.

[5:06] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[5:06] Steven Ferezy: Regular people.

[5:07] Dana Craig: You guys have fun.

[5:08] Steven Ferezy: Regular people don't get to do that.

[5:09] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[5:09] Steven Ferezy: So I um called my good friend Kevin Thomas Garcia and I said, I don't want to be such a dud.

[5:16] Dana Craig: Do you have some hair I could throw on?

[5:18] Steven Ferezy: I just want to put on a wig.

[5:20] Dana Craig: That seems like enough effort.

[5:22] Steven Ferezy: Right.

[5:22] Dana Craig: Some hair using it.

[5:23] Steven Ferezy: So he gave me some hair options, and one of them was a short bob with bangs.

[5:28] Dana Craig: And I was like, well, now I've got to get dressed up because I can be Princess Anna Windua.

[5:36] Steven Ferezy: And I was.

[5:38] Dana Craig: I love your brain!

[5:40] Steven Ferezy: I love your brain.

[5:42] Dana Craig: There you go.

[5:43] Steven Ferezy: You have a gorgeous red curly mane, so the short is completely, you know, a 360.

[5:50] Dana Craig: The only purchase that I made was a Vogue magazine.

[5:54] Steven Ferezy: Oh, worthwhile.

[5:56] Dana Craig: Worthwhile.

[5:57] Steven Ferezy: I put on a like sort of Anna-esque color scheme.

[6:00] Dana Craig: Sunglasses wig, Vogue.

[6:02] Steven Ferezy: That's all you need.

[6:03] Dana Craig: Princess Anna's.

[6:03] Steven Ferezy: That's a different Princess Anna.

[6:06] Dana Craig: So silly.

[6:07] Steven Ferezy: We also had in my theater another one of our wardrobe guys did the full Elton John baseball costume in sequins.

[6:15] Dana Craig: Right.

[6:16] Steven Ferezy: He made it.

[6:17] Dana Craig: I don't think he made it.

[6:18] Steven Ferezy: But Caleb at my show was Elsa John, and he put Elsa on the back, made put a Frozen logo on the front, and had a curly blonde wig.

[6:28] Dana Craig: It's just what a treat.

[6:30] Steven Ferezy: When people have great ideas, what a treat.

[6:33] Dana Craig: We also had a holof like pimp Olaf.

[6:38] Steven Ferezy: Which was clear by now.

[6:44] Dana Craig: It's you know, so much Frozen all the time.

[6:47] Steven Ferezy: Almost so cold.

[6:48] Dana Craig: We will talk about it.

[6:49] Steven Ferezy: Yeah, but I do want to keep going on this Halloween thing.

[6:52] Dana Craig: I made my first pumpkin.

[6:55] Steven Ferezy: Like I carved my I don't know, it was probably like my third carved pumpkin ever.

[6:59] Dana Craig: Yep.

[7:00] Steven Ferezy: And I did a David Rose from Schitt's Creek.

[7:03] Dana Craig: And it kind of turned out well.

[7:06] Steven Ferezy: It was very well done.

[7:07] Dana Craig: And freehand.

[7:09] Steven Ferezy: And freehand.

[7:09] Dana Craig: I did not stencil.

[7:11] Steven Ferezy: It's brave.

[7:12] Dana Craig: Stencil free.

[7:13] Steven Ferezy: Stenceless.

[7:16] Dana Craig: Y'all, I highly suggest.

[7:19] Steven Ferezy: Highly suggest if you're sick of your routine, change it up and carve something.

[7:26] Dana Craig: It's fun.

[7:27] Steven Ferezy: Tools.

[7:28] Dana Craig: Tools.

[7:29] Steven Ferezy: Guts.

[7:30] Dana Craig: Get your hand.

[7:30] Steven Ferezy: Guts.

[7:31] Dana Craig: And seeds.

[7:33] Steven Ferezy: And that pumpkin inner.

[7:35] Dana Craig: It's like you get everything.

[7:37] Steven Ferezy: You get snacks.

[7:38] Dana Craig: You get some aggression out.

[7:40] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[7:40] Dana Craig: You get a seasonal decor.

[7:43] Steven Ferezy: Meditative.

[7:44] Dana Craig: It is uh creative.

[7:47] Steven Ferezy: You get to play with your food.

[7:48] Dana Craig: That scares me out.

[7:49] Steven Ferezy: Oh, yeah.

[7:50] Dana Craig: Not that I'm not going to be able to do that.

[7:50] Steven Ferezy: I want it to be really good.

[7:52] Dana Craig: And I've I'm not a carver.

[7:55] Steven Ferezy: Carver?

[7:55] Dana Craig: Not a car.

[7:56] Steven Ferezy: Pumpkin carver.

[7:57] Dana Craig: I didn't think I was either.

[7:58] Steven Ferezy: And now I'm starting my own business.

[8:02] Dana Craig: You're starting a pumpkin carving business.

[8:04] Steven Ferezy: Totally am.

[8:05] Dana Craig: Year-round.

[8:05] Steven Ferezy: Yep.

[8:05] Dana Craig: Year-round.

[8:08] Steven Ferezy: Maybe you can carve out, like maybe it's a watermelon in the summer.

[8:12] Dana Craig: Pin and that.

[8:14] Steven Ferezy: Watermelon carving contest.

[8:14] Dana Craig: Have you ever seen those like in hotels and buffets?

[8:19] Steven Ferezy: Like the gorgeous watermelon art.

[8:21] Dana Craig: Gorgeous.

[8:22] Steven Ferezy: And with that.

[8:22] Dana Craig: Um I love pumpkin beer.

[8:25] Steven Ferezy: I love the full things that happen.

[8:27] Dana Craig: Right?

[8:28] Steven Ferezy: It's perfect.

[8:28] Dana Craig: Like a fall cocktail, like a smoked Manhattan.

[8:33] Steven Ferezy: Everything gets a little deeper.

[8:34] Dana Craig: Like a camp spicier.

[8:36] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[8:36] Dana Craig: I like it too.

[8:38] Steven Ferezy: Same pumpkin flavored sweets and treats.

[8:41] Dana Craig: I'm in.

[8:42] Steven Ferezy: Are you a pie person?

[8:43] Dana Craig: Love it.

[8:44] Steven Ferezy: But it feels like special occasion, right?

[8:46] Dana Craig: Like it's not always accessible.

[8:48] Steven Ferezy: You can't walk into Starbucks.

[8:49] Dana Craig: Starbucks, you can get a scone, a muffin.

[8:51] Steven Ferezy: Sure.

[8:51] Dana Craig: That's accessible.

[8:52] Steven Ferezy: Like a baked a piece of pie.

[8:55] Dana Craig: That's special.

[8:56] Steven Ferezy: Yeah, it is.

[8:56] Dana Craig: You know?

[8:57] Steven Ferezy: Yeah, like you're either at a diner and you're like, stop pie.

[9:02] Dana Craig: I don't hate pie.

[9:03] Steven Ferezy: Pie, Halloween.

[9:04] Dana Craig: Almost anything else.

[9:05] Steven Ferezy: Oh my gosh, picking everything that's not your favorite today.

[9:10] Dana Craig: He's open to talking about it, which is why I love it.

[9:13] Steven Ferezy: Against pie.

[9:14] Dana Craig: I just pick other things before it's every time.

[9:17] Steven Ferezy: Even on uh, what's coming up?

[9:18] Dana Craig: Thanksgiving.

[9:19] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[9:20] Dana Craig: That's where I really turn a corner because I don't like turkey.

[9:23] Steven Ferezy: He hates Thanksgiving so much.

[9:24] Dana Craig: So like the heart and soul of a Thanksgiving dinner.

[9:28] Steven Ferezy: Isn't my thing.

[9:29] Dana Craig: So I'd like to do a chicken.

[9:30] Steven Ferezy: I think we're going out this year.

[9:31] Dana Craig: I think we're I've never done that.

[9:33] Steven Ferezy: I've never gone to the restaurant and just let it not be my problem.

[9:37] Dana Craig: Oh, that thing is.

[9:38] Steven Ferezy: I think we're gonna see Frozen 2 on Thanksgiving.

[9:40] Dana Craig: Oh, fun!

[9:41] Steven Ferezy: On a like the IMAX moment.

[9:43] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[9:44] Steven Ferezy: And then grab something to eat.

[9:46] Dana Craig: Perfection.

[9:46] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[9:47] Dana Craig: Or just order all the concessions at the AMC and call that Thanksgiving dinner.

[9:50] Steven Ferezy: Popcorn for Thanksgiving.

[9:52] Dana Craig: Pretzel nuggets, French fries.

[9:53] Steven Ferezy: They have everything.

[9:54] Dana Craig: Everything.

[9:56] Steven Ferezy: So tell us about your day.

[9:59] Dana Craig: You guys, this girl has had a morn tank.

[10:05] Steven Ferezy: It's been a great day.

[10:06] Dana Craig: It's like it's 4:30 right now, and you've already done like eight million things.

[10:10] Steven Ferezy: I've done a couple things.

[10:11] Dana Craig: It's been great.

[10:12] Steven Ferezy: I uh started done just two things so far, I feel like, but they've both been great.

[10:18] Dana Craig: I got up at that pre-crack of dawn because it is, you know, we're about to do some daylight savings tonight.

[10:24] Steven Ferezy: So it was real dark when I got up this morning.

[10:27] Dana Craig: We are falling back.

[10:28] Steven Ferezy: That extra hour sleep is needed.

[10:31] Dana Craig: Sucks.

[10:31] Steven Ferezy: The evening will suck.

[10:33] Dana Craig: Yeah, the darkness sucks.

[10:35] Steven Ferezy: But tonight we'll sleep.

[10:37] Dana Craig: But I did get up very early and do the um Broadway run 5K to benefit Broadway Cares Equity Fights.

[10:45] Katrina Newman: Hey, it's my favorite organization.

[10:48] Steven Ferezy: And it's one of the smaller events that Broadway Cares does, but I think we had about 60 runners affiliated with Broadway Cares because it's a big New York Roadrunners race.

[10:57] Dana Craig: It's the race before the marathon.

[10:59] Steven Ferezy: So some people do it as like a warm-up race because they're gonna do the real thing.

[11:06] Dana Craig: Right.

[11:06] Steven Ferezy: For me, 3.1 miles was plenty.

[11:09] Dana Craig: Oh yeah.

[11:10] Steven Ferezy: That was plenty.

[11:12] Dana Craig: Have fun with those 26.2.

[11:13] Steven Ferezy: I admire it so much.

[11:14] Dana Craig: 0.31 miles for me is plenty.

[11:17] Steven Ferezy: 0.31.

[11:18] Dana Craig: That's an avenue.

[11:20] Steven Ferezy: My walk is that's plenty for me.

[11:22] Dana Craig: Plenty.

[11:25] Steven Ferezy: Dylan Bustamante did it this morning.

[11:27] Dana Craig: He did.

[11:27] Steven Ferezy: I saw him there.

[11:28] Dana Craig: He raised a lot of money too.

[11:30] Steven Ferezy: I'm sure he did.

[11:31] Dana Craig: He raised a lot of money.

[11:32] Steven Ferezy: The event raised uh we're just under $100,000.

[11:35] Dana Craig: Isn't that exciting?

[11:36] Steven Ferezy: Well done another.

[11:37] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[11:38] Steven Ferezy: Really exciting.

[11:39] Dana Craig: So we did a little run.

[11:41] Steven Ferezy: It was nice and brisk.

[11:43] Dana Craig: Good weather.

[11:44] Steven Ferezy: Yes.

[11:44] Dana Craig: Our little three-mile course is beautiful.

[11:47] Steven Ferezy: We start around the UN, run across town on 42nd, past the Chrysler Building, past Grand Central, up Sixth Avenue, past Radio City Music Hall.

[11:57] Dana Craig: What a New York morning.

[11:59] Steven Ferezy: What a New York moment.

[11:59] Dana Craig: And then Central Park.

[12:02] Steven Ferezy: I do know Radio City well after a couple Christmases there.

[12:06] Dana Craig: Yeah, and then we get to finish on the marathon finish line.

[12:08] Steven Ferezy: So we get to have that like glorious moment, but without running all day.

[12:12] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[12:12] Steven Ferezy: So it was great.

[12:14] Katrina Newman: That's awesome.

[12:15] Katrina Newman: That's Katrina's coupon corner.

[12:18] Steven Ferezy: Just trim trim trim.

[12:20] Dana Craig: Yeah, just tricking some of those miles.

[12:22] Katrina Newman: Just take away those 23.

[12:24] Steven Ferezy: Are you a runner?

[12:25] Katrina Newman: No.

[12:26] Steven Ferezy: Okay.

[12:26] Katrina Newman: No.

[12:27] Katrina Newman: So this is like kind of new to me, but I did practice a bit.

[12:29] Katrina Newman: I'm saying, you know, train-ish.

[12:31] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[12:32] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[12:33] Katrina Newman: I didn't want it to feel terrible.

[12:35] Katrina Newman: I really wanted to win.

[12:37] Katrina Newman: My guys just gonna really scary.

[12:44] Katrina Newman: Um, one of the cast members of Frozen, Bobby Creighton, he is uh very competitive, and he was sure that he would win.

[12:55] Katrina Newman: He was right, he did win. But I did try really hard to, you know. I gave him a run for his money. No pun intended.

[13:02] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[13:02] Katrina Newman: I was about to do it. I was about 35 seconds behind him.

[13:05] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[13:05] Katrina Newman: You made him earn it. So we'll take it. I'm going to the New York City Marathon tomorrow.

[13:10] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[13:12] Katrina Newman: I have no idea yet.

[13:13] Dana Craig: Great.

[13:13] Katrina Newman: But it's gonna be exciting.

[13:15] Steven Ferezy: I'm excited to watch it. It's really awesome. I get a little like emotion when a lot of people are doing something together for good.

[13:23] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[13:24] Katrina Newman: Let's put that in there. Um, like singing together, like a whole bunch of people doing uh I just get like chills.

[13:30] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[13:31] Katrina Newman: It is the Super Bowl. Like, I don't know, like I don't care.

[13:35] Dana Craig: But people drinking together.

[13:37] Katrina Newman: Yes, yes, actually, like it doesn't have to be your bag, but to see like that many people from all walks of life all walks of life do the thing that they all love for the sake of doing the thing that they love and like helping out a good cause in the meantime.

[13:52] Steven Ferezy: Right, or just for the sake of like doing it, right?

[13:55] Katrina Newman: That's what I think is amazing about the marathon, is yeah, it is pretty much purely a test of will.

[14:00] Dana Craig: It't feel great for anyone.

[14:02] Katrina Newman: I can't imagine. Maybe it feels great for somebody.

[14:05] Dana Craig: I can't imagine that it feels feels good.

[14:07] Katrina Newman: It like puts your body through some major stress.

[14:09] Dana Craig: And it's hard.

[14:11] Katrina Newman: It's really hard, but you just keep running. You just want to do that. Everyone around you wants you to do well.

[14:17] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[14:17] Katrina Newman: Yeah. It's amazing. It's like a mind game.

[14:21] Dana Craig: It is.

[14:21] Katrina Newman: I was just thinking that. It's such an individual. People are running for so many different reasons.

[14:26] Dana Craig: And that's what you realize too.

[14:28] Katrina Newman: Like I know a friend of mine who's running tomorrow is going through some really hard stuff.

[14:35] Dana Craig: And so I'm like, I know why you're running. And that's gonna be times a billion.

[14:40] Katrina Newman: So I love it. You know, I love it. It's palpable.

[14:44] Dana Craig: It's that energy of Yeah, it's one of my favorite days of the New York.

[14:48] Katrina Newman: It's such a new thing. The pride parade. You know what everybody gets out of their frickin' apartments. Loves each other.

[14:54] Dana Craig: That's the thing too about the marathon, is like strangers cheering for strangers.

[14:58] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[14:58] Dana Craig: It's so exciting.

[15:00] Katrina Newman: Yeah. It's great. Even the Halloween, like seeing all the kids and all the people who like, I don't know who lives in these apartments.

[15:06] Dana Craig: Oh, now I do because they're all sitting on their stoop with the treats.

[15:09] Katrina Newman: They're the like elderly. I live in Astoria, so it's all like these old, you know, old Greek ladies and men who are just like, oh hi guy, like hi neighbors, and just people going up to each house.

[15:22] Dana Craig: Common denominator with a mass of people.

[15:25] Katrina Newman: Tonight we get to do this.

[15:27] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[15:28] Katrina Newman: And it's special. Oh, I love it. It's Comic Con. It's all those things.

[15:31] Dana Craig: It's just people congregating to do their thing.

[15:31] Katrina Newman: To do their thing.

[15:35] Dana Craig: It's Penn Station.

[15:37] Katrina Newman: Okay, I stop.

[15:38] Dana Craig: Oh boy.

[15:38] Katrina Newman: Port Authority.

[15:39] Dana Craig: No!

[15:40] Katrina Newman: It's Port Authority.

[15:41] Dana Craig: I'm drunk.

[15:42] Katrina Newman: Um I want to know more about your job. And I would like listeners to know more about your job.

[15:48] Dana Craig: Thanks.

[15:48] Katrina Newman: Yeah. You are a dresser at Frozen on Broadway.

[15:52] Dana Craig: Frozen on Broadway, yeah.

[15:53] Katrina Newman: Which is a whole brand. I mean, it's one thing to work on Broadway, but at in the Disney layer.

[15:59] Dana Craig: Of that.

[16:01] Katrina Newman: And the the Frozen brand. Frozen was, in my opinion, like the biggest Disney movie musical to blow up the way that like Little Mermaid did and Aladdin did for us.

[16:12] Dana Craig: But now it's in the Frozen as opposed to Little Mermaid is in the social media age.

[16:17] Katrina Newman: Correct. So now we get to see Elses from around the world like go viral on Ellen. You know, it's just like there's a whole different layer.

[16:25] Dana Craig: There is.

[16:26] Katrina Newman: Yeah. It's just, it seems to have really uh touched people or kids love it. It just like permeated everything.

[16:35] Dana Craig: Um there is an acquaintance of mine that has kids that don't watch TV or movies, but I think just from their four-year-old social lives, they know what Frozen is.

[16:47] Katrina Newman: Yeah. They came to see the Broadway show before they ever saw the animated feature, and they already knew what it was.

[16:53] Dana Craig: You know, it's just so crazy.

[16:55] Katrina Newman: It is this like cultural moment that these sister princess queens are like rule in the world.

[17:02] Dana Craig: How did you sister princess queens?

[17:06] Katrina Newman: I'm not gonna let that slide. That's amazing.

[17:08] Dana Craig: That's the title of this episode.

[17:10] Katrina Newman: Make a note.

[17:11] Steven Ferezy: Steven made us little um what are they little notebooks?

[17:16] Katrina Newman: Well, because I got sick of like this shit and like borrowing your post-it pad to like scribble something that I would lose.

[17:22] Steven Ferezy: It's all about him.

[17:23] Katrina Newman: Yeah, yeah. But we have our names on it and everything.

[17:26] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[17:26] Katrina Newman: And this way it won't get lost, and I'll know where to find it.

[17:28] Dana Craig: I mean, it will so official.

[17:31] Katrina Newman: Yes. So I've been uh in on the wardrobe team at Frozen since we started tech in New York.

[17:37] Katrina Newman: Some of the um team and the cast had been in Denver first. That was the out-of-town try-out, but we started in the theater last January, January 2018.

[17:47] Katrina Newman: So I'm approaching two years with this show. Which is I think the longest I've ever had a job.

[17:50] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[17:56] Katrina Newman: And you didn't go to Denver?

[17:58] Dana Craig: No.

[17:58] Katrina Newman: You weren't involved there.

[18:00] Katrina Newman: They had um supervisors and some of the principals' dressers, but a local crew there.

[18:07] Dana Craig: Okay.

[18:07] Katrina Newman: Yes. So most of us joined in New York.

[18:10] Dana Craig: I have a question.

[18:11] Katrina Newman: Yes, please.

[18:12] Dana Craig: What does a dresser do?

[18:14] Katrina Newman: Dressers are at the show for every show. So we are there through the run of a show to maintain the costumes and set up quick changes and assist in all of the ons and offs of costumes, keeping them uh clean, maintained, and together.

[18:36] Dana Craig: So those actors are safe and dressed.

[18:40] Katrina Newman: I don't think that's a good answer.

[18:41] Dana Craig: That's a great answer. And I have so many other questions.

[18:44] Katrina Newman: Okay. Um I did like uh I went to school for theater acting in college, and that's kind of where it stayed and died.

[18:51] Dana Craig: Right?

[18:52] Katrina Newman: So I haven't done it on Broadway or off Broadway here at all.

[18:55] Dana Craig: So it could be very different.

[18:57] Katrina Newman: Yeah. So costumes, is there one per person or are there a couple?

[19:04] Dana Craig: Are you doing laundry every night?

[19:06] Katrina Newman: Yeah. How do you do all that?

[19:08] Katrina Newman: So it's different. So on our show, we have 12 full-time dressers. Um I primarily dress the female ensemble, but then just like um the acting company has swings and coverage uh within the ensemble, they would bump up to principal roles.

[19:24] Katrina Newman: I also will bump up to do some principal dressing. So I know a few other tracks within the show.

[19:29] Dana Craig: You have like costume tracks, yes, yeah, and it's all choreographed backstage and in the you know in the in the rest of the space.

[19:38] Katrina Newman: Yeah, touching every costume. You have yours that you I have mine, and I'm like primarily in charge of three of the ten ensemble female ensemble members.

[19:47] Dana Craig: That is news to me.

[19:48] Katrina Newman: Yeah, that's crazy.

[19:50] Dana Craig: Uh-huh.

[19:50] Katrina Newman: That's great.

[19:51] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[19:51] Katrina Newman: So it just keeps things a little bit more organized. Everyone kind of has a department or a group of people that they look out for the most.

[19:59] Katrina Newman: We all have our hands on many things. You know, I'll do changes with men, I'll do changes with the kids that are in the show.

[20:05] Katrina Newman: But for the most part, when I like hang out in the dressing room, I'm with the female ensemble and with my three ladies mostly.

[20:12] Dana Craig: Um, would you say that 12 dressers is a lot on one show?

[20:15] Katrina Newman: It's a big crew.

[20:16] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[20:16] Katrina Newman: We have a very big cast. I think the cast is 42.

[20:20] Dana Craig: That includes the children are doubled because of child labor laws.

[20:24] Katrina Newman: Um, we have swings and standbys and uh the reindeer since it's really physical, that actor is doubled, but we have 42 actors in the company, which is a lot, and the ensemble that's on stage is 20.

[20:39] Dana Craig: So there are six dressers just for the ensemble, and then the other six have principals uh uh children or puppets.

[20:47] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[20:48] Dana Craig: How does it all fit in the St. James Theater?

[20:50] Katrina Newman: Which is you know, it's an alter house.

[20:53] Dana Craig: It's barely.

[20:55] Katrina Newman: Yeah, she says gleefully.

[20:58] Dana Craig: I would say it's probably the biggest challenge is the spatial constraints of the theater.

[21:05] Katrina Newman: Because your costumes are also not small.

[21:07] Dana Craig: They're not small.

[21:08] Katrina Newman: We have huge group skirts and ball gowns.

[21:11] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[21:12] Katrina Newman: Um they did a big renovation on the theater for Frozen, uh, but all they gave us was space to have a cross under.

[21:21] Katrina Newman: Is basically this like multi-million dollar renovation blew out the back wall of the theater so that we can get from stage right to stage left, which is you know, pretty necessary.

[21:30] Dana Craig: Sure.

[21:31] Katrina Newman: Um worth the money.

[21:32] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[21:33] Katrina Newman: So we're just we're real tight in there. There's not much space for anything.

[21:37] Dana Craig: We don't have a green room in the theater.

[21:38] Katrina Newman: There's nowhere really to go and hang out.

[21:40] Katrina Newman: It's fun that uh the wardrobe room has kind of become that.

[21:44] Dana Craig: Because there is a room for the supervisors' offices and our full-time stitcher and where laundry gets put away.

[21:50] Katrina Newman: Um, and it's become the plate that the place that like a meat and cheese plate will be out for everyone, and you know, people will kind of come in to hang out during intermission or whatever.

[22:00] Dana Craig: So it is kind of the social hub.

[22:02] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[22:03] Dana Craig: What does surprise me about that is god forbid that meat plate ends up on a costume?

[22:06] Katrina Newman: No, no, no. They're in the robes for intermission.

[22:08] Dana Craig: Robes for intermission.

[22:09] Katrina Newman: Never eating in costumes.

[22:10] Dana Craig: Never.

[22:11] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[22:12] Dana Craig: A robed mish.

[22:14] Katrina Newman: Yes.

[22:16] Dana Craig: Uh, how did you come to join Frozen?

[22:19] Katrina Newman: You know, like how do dressers get those jobs?

[22:23] Katrina Newman: It's I guess is the bigger question.

[22:25] Katrina Newman: Yeah, I think it's a lot of uh personal relationships.

[22:29] Katrina Newman: Um, the so it's sort of is a trickle-down effect, I guess.

[22:33] Katrina Newman: Uh, a lot of times certain costume designers will have wardrobe supervisors that they like working with because the design team is only in the picture through tech.

[22:44] Katrina Newman: You know, they build the costumes and make sure everything looks the way they want it, but then they kind of step away from the show, and the wardrobe team is who maintains the look.

[22:54] Dana Craig: Um, will sometimes be in charge of getting costumes ready for replacement actors or new understudies or that kind of thing.

[23:02] Katrina Newman: Um, so the designers will usually choose a wardrobe supervisor that they know and trust, and then the supervisors are able to hire who they like.

[23:11] Dana Craig: Awesome.

[23:12] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[23:12] Katrina Newman: My supervisor is amazing. Her name's Jessica Dermoty. She's young, female, badass.

[23:18] Katrina Newman: She's uh a dancer first, so she uh treats the actors with love and compassion and wants to make them feel taken.

[23:26] Dana Craig: She knows she gets it, she gets it, which you know as well.

[23:30] Katrina Newman: Yeah, and I feel yeah, I have a similar background that like I get how hard they're working, singing and dancing and doing the show eight times a week, and they get to do what they do really well, and we get to uh make sure that the only thing they have to worry about is doing their show.

[23:47] Dana Craig: You know, shoes are gonna be ready and feel good and safe, and we'll talk about that, costumes will be ready.

[23:53] Katrina Newman: They just they don't need to worry about any of that, which is I think the big difference from college theater or community theater.

[23:58] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[23:59] Katrina Newman: Or even regional theater.

[24:00] Dana Craig: Yeah, yeah.

[24:01] Katrina Newman: You know, is that they really they don't have to touch or think about anything else except for doing their jobs.

[24:07] Dana Craig: I mean, in in all of those kinds of instances, it's it is kind of like all hands on deck.

[24:12] Katrina Newman: Yeah, of course.

[24:13] Dana Craig: Uh you you do some of this part, or there's only one person who does everything, or uh everything seems kind of more streamlined on Broadway.

[24:22] Katrina Newman: Yes.

[24:22] Katrina Newman: The thing that I love, like we've gone backstage a lot, um, right after the show.

[24:28] Katrina Newman: Two seconds after that uh curtain comes down, that whole backstage area is clean as a whistle.

[24:36] Dana Craig: Clean and clean and finished, and it's like birds chirping and a hay bale, and it's like, wait, woo!

[24:44] Katrina Newman: What just happened on that stage? Where is everybody?

[24:46] Dana Craig: This thing should look like my apartment on a Saturday morning.

[24:52] Katrina Newman: Like, this should look like shit.

[24:54] Dana Craig: And it's all just like everything's put in place, and then it's like, oh my god, what it was magical.

[25:00] Katrina Newman: Yeah. It's magical.

[25:01] Dana Craig: I'm always just completely like blown away by that.

[25:05] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[25:06] Dana Craig: Props, costume, like whatever it is.

[25:08] Katrina Newman: Back in its place, stays done.

[25:10] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[25:10] Katrina Newman: Everything's choreography.

[25:11] Dana Craig: Everyone wants to go home.

[25:13] Katrina Newman: It's a job.

[25:14] Dana Craig: And there's that too.

[25:15] Katrina Newman: And there's no wondering where anything goes.

[25:17] Dana Craig: Everything has to be.

[25:18] Katrina Newman: Everything has a labeled place, spike marks, labeled shelf, labeled costume rack, right?

[25:24] Dana Craig: Everything just goes away.

[25:25] Katrina Newman: The wardrobe team is the um are usually the last crew members to finish.

[25:30] Katrina Newman: The local one guys, so that's props and carpenters, electrics.

[25:34] Dana Craig: As soon as they finish their last cue, they're finished.

[25:37] Katrina Newman: Sound has to stay to collect microphones.

[25:41] Dana Craig: But like the deck crews, they're done.

[25:44] Katrina Newman: Out. We finit take costumes off of the actors, sort laundry for the end of the night, and that so we have like 15 minutes after the show that we can work before it goes into overtime.

[25:54] Katrina Newman: So they want to get us out because nobody wants to pay for overtime. Um but so we have 15 minutes after the show, we get to get out of there too. It's great.

[26:03] Steven Ferezy: What other shows have you worked on?

[26:05] Katrina Newman: Yeah, so just before Frozen, I did uh Christmas at Radio City.

[26:11] Dana Craig: Love.

[26:11] Katrina Newman: Which was great.

[26:12] Steven Ferezy: How is dressing at Radio City for the Christmas spectacular different than dressing a Broadway show?

[26:20] Katrina Newman: For me, I think it was different because it is this historic, longstanding production that I stepped into new where I dressed Rockets that hadn't been doing it for many years. A lot of the other dressers have been there for decades. So I didn't have a bigger picture of like where I fit in at all. But I just knew where I needed to be, when I needed to be there. Um and you kind of just stay in your lane. That's all you need to know. It's just when to transport racks, at what time you call the elevator operator because there's someone manning that elevator. Get friendly with whoever that is.

[27:01] Dana Craig: Right.

[27:01] Katrina Newman: Um and it's just that much bigger. Going from stage right to stage left is a city block. You're either on 50th or 51st Street. It's muddy. Um, and I was also, they split the Christmas show because um the season is short, so they have many shows per day. So they split it into two separate casts and wardrobe. You have the blue company and the gold company, and I was part of the blue company, which is like the daytime cast. So that was a nice uh deviation from my regular schedule that I got to, you know, sometimes we have those real early calls, like 7:30 a.m., which is not normal theater hours, you know, and a 9 a.m. Radio City Christmas spectacular. But I would get to leave early. Eat dinner with a friend. Have happy hours. Can you imagine?

[27:53] Dana Craig: I can't.

[27:53] Katrina Newman: I know. A simple can't. So to be working and eating dinner. It was really exciting. It's really exciting, yeah. And to know that it's this chunk of time each year.

[28:04] Dana Craig: Yeah, totally.

[28:05] Katrina Newman: Just And you don't have to sign your life away. You don't sign your life away. You're just gonna do it. It's a lot of Christmas freaking.

[28:11] Dana Craig: You can hop, you can hop.

[28:13] Katrina Newman: Yeah. Are you is there is is there a union or are you freelance or what's that?

[28:17] Katrina Newman: I am a member of the wardrobe union. It is an IATSE local. So um IATSE is shouldn't really know what that acronym is standing for. Well, fact check this. The international.

[28:35] Dana Craig: Did you put your phone in my backpack?

[28:38] Katrina Newman: Yeah. That's a curious uh. I needed it to not buzz on the wood. And my backpack was for International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees.

[28:51] Dana Craig: Yes, international. Hear that hear that in the rumors? The International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees.

[28:59] Katrina Newman: That's what I am. Local 764 is the wardrobe union. And I'm also a member of Acting Union's um an equity member and a SAG-AFTRA member.

[29:11] Dana Craig: Yeah, it's been really wonderful.

[29:13] Katrina Newman: Yeah. My first wardrobe job was doing uh Dames at Sea, that Broadway classic that lasted on Broadway for a hot second. It was it was such a blessing for me because the reason I got the job, I had never done wardrobe before, and they were hiring a non-union crew, which is atypical for a Broadway show, but because they were in the Helen Hayes and it's the smallest Broadway house, there's some sort of workaround for that. So they were hiring a non-union crew.

[29:42] Dana Craig: Loopholes galore.

[29:46] Katrina Newman: Yes. But it was still a great rate. It was more than I'd ever made as an actor. I felt great about it. But 764 stepped in and said, We don't think any Broadway show should have a non-union crew. Can we advocate for you and help you join our union?

[30:03] Dana Craig: Wow. And then how did that happen? Do you have to take a test? Do they show up at your door?

[30:06] Katrina Newman: They showed up at my door.

[30:09] Dana Craig: Do they give you a certain door?

[30:10] Katrina Newman: There's a timed sewing table. There is an oath moment.

[30:13] Dana Craig: Is there an oath moment?

[30:14] Katrina Newman: Yeah. Something like do no harm. You know. Like there is a swearing in.

[30:21] Dana Craig: Yes.

[30:22] Katrina Newman: First, do not run your finger through the sewing machine.

[30:24] Dana Craig: Right.

[30:25] Katrina Newman: Don't hurt anybody. No. Uh there is a swearing in, which is cool. That usually happens at membership meetings. Um.

[30:34] Katrina Newman: Yeah, they came to the house. I don't know how things work. It was great. I truly don't know how people join things.

[30:39] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[30:39] Katrina Newman: I don't ask. I don't think that that is maybe the typical way that it happens. That was my way. And I felt it was great. I knew I knew those people. Like I got to meet people that were involved in the union where I don't really know any of the actors' unions um higher ups, you know.

[30:57] Dana Craig: Let's go farther back if we can.

[31:01] Katrina Newman: Yes.

[31:02] Dana Craig: Where'd you grow up?

[31:03] Katrina Newman: Mm. I'm from South Jersey. A small beach town called Cape May.

[31:07] Dana Craig: I've been to Cape May.

[31:09] Katrina Newman: She's nice, right?

[31:11] Dana Craig: She's nice.

[31:12] Katrina Newman: She's the tip.

[31:13] Dana Craig: She's the tip.

[31:14] Katrina Newman: She's a super tip. You may remember Cape May, uh, from our Kevin Thomas Garcia episode.

[31:19] Dana Craig: Yes, my bestie.

[31:21] Katrina Newman: My Broadway. Can I just say that it was not lost on me that you and he were working across the street from each other?

[31:28] Dana Craig: On Broadway.

[31:29] Katrina Newman: What a dream. Together.

[31:31] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[31:31] Katrina Newman: I've known Kevin since his dad uh was in the Coast Guard, so they moved to Cape May when he was going into the seventh grade. Which I think would have put me in fourth.

[31:46] Dana Craig: Um because he's older.

[31:48] Katrina Newman: Um I can do that. I was, yeah. I was in the same grade as his younger sister, and then Kevin ended up uh dancing at my dance studio, so I've known him forever, and he is the hair supervisor at Hadestown. For a little while while I was at Frozen, he was at Anastasia, and uh we were just living those Broadway dreams, like not exactly as we expected it, right? We both had these big performance dreams.

[32:12] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[32:12] Katrina Newman: But I think we've landed exactly where we're supposed to be.

[32:15] Dana Craig: Let's go into that.

[32:16] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[32:17] Dana Craig: Because I don't know anything about your story.

[32:19] Katrina Newman: Right. So um, so yeah, so I moved to the city. Actually, I just had my New York anniversary.

[32:26] Dana Craig: How many?

[32:27] Katrina Newman: Eighteen.

[32:28] Dana Craig: Oh my god.

[32:30] Katrina Newman: I'm a New Yorker as long as I lived in Cape May. Isn't that crazy?

[32:36] Katrina Newman: So I moved to New York when I was eighteen to uh dance. I just felt really clear and sure. Isn't that funny that youth will do that to you? Like I felt really sure that that was exactly what I needed to do. It's a blessing and a curse.

[32:49] Dana Craig: Right. Isn't it?

[32:49] Katrina Newman: Yeah. So I moved here. I sublet Kevin Garcia's room in Harlem.

[32:55] Katrina Newman: He that was my first apartment while he was out on that non-Equity tour of Footloose. I Yep. I had my first room and um it was like a very recently post-9-11 New York, so the city was different, but I had no point of reference. Like I didn't know that normally there are auditions every day and there were no auditions and and just everything was a little bit quieter. But I um came and danced and did some regional theater, some small dance company stuff in the city, um, for several years until womp womp, I tore both ACLs.

[33:31] Dana Craig: Those knees.

[33:32] Katrina Newman: She had had it. And that was in a um uh world in which you didn't have to have health insurance, and I was an actor. So I had that no health insurance, but thank goodness for the actor's fund, which is why I love raising money for Broadway! Look at how it all turns around. Yeah, I got help through the actor's fund. Anyway, had ACL surgeries.

[33:53] Dana Craig: On both at the same time?

[33:55] Katrina Newman: No, they can't do it at the same time. So they were my surgeries are about six months apart. I injured one knee, didn't get it diagnosed because I was like, I'm sure if I just rest and I'm fine. That's what dancers do. I'll be fine. This is weird that my leg keeps. I so I keep an eye on it, but I'm not telling anyone and I'm gonna continue to dance my own. Totally. That was my plan. Yeah until my body was like, Hey girl, no. You can't do that because you're overcompensating with that other leg and so she's gonna bust too. So I had two torn ACLs before I realized what was wrong. Uh had surgery on both at about six months apart, but in that time, I don't even know exactly how it came to me, but I just didn't want to waste time. I just thought it was I couldn't dance. I thought it was a good time to learn something new.

[34:40] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[34:41] Katrina Newman: Yeah. And I had always been sort of crafty being a dancer, right? You need to sew the elastic onto your ballet shoes. You need to sew an applique on your dance cast. Right. You know what I mean? When they go on RuPaul's Drag Race, they're like, if you don't know how to sew, get out of here. Like so I had some like hand sewing mini skills. I wasn't afraid of it. And I just wanted to be able to my goal really was to be able to make myself dance clothes. There wasn't anything available really. You could either wear like the same leotard you wore to like baby's first ballet class as like a twenty-five year old, you know what I mean? It was like you go to Capezio or you wear like Lululemon wasn't even around yet.

You know, you either wore like big box store in 72nd. It was like the block store. It was maybe like an American Apparel skater dress that like kind of look. So I just wanted to be able to make dance clothes so I took a couple classes at FIT and started to learn how to stitch on spandex.

[35:38] Katrina Newman: It's my medium which I I'm a byproduct of your medium. Because the easiest for me to work with it's great. I think it's super forgiving. When stuff is structured you can't move it around I'm like, oh that makes me nervous you have to measure you have to be perfect. Spandex just stretch her into shape.

[35:57] Dana Craig: So you you learned a trade, you buffered up on a trade for yourself, not necessarily being like, oh I'm gonna change my whole career trajectory.

[36:08] Katrina Newman: Yeah. Right? So it just kinda worked out that just kinda worked out the opportunities aligned.

[36:14] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[36:14] Katrina Newman: That was exactly it. I had started sewing and then um started doing some dance costumes for some competition kids at this dance studio where I grew up in Cape May. Jersey Cape Dance and Gymnastics Academy. Shout out gorgeous.

[36:27] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[36:30] Katrina Newman: So it was nice to be able to stay in touch with that world and I started building their costumes and I sort of just stopped having time to audition. It was a really natural transition um that didn't even quite feel like a transition, right?

[36:47] Dana Craig: Like that's gorgeous.

[36:48] Katrina Newman: My time just started being full with other things that were exciting, also.

[36:53] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[36:54] Katrina Newman: Um, and then and I was nervous a little bit about wardrobe stuff because I wasn't sure that I was totally finished being a performer, and I didn't know how I would feel like turning sweaty tights right side out and pulling a G-string out of them if like I sort of still wanted that job. Right? That wouldn't be so fair.

[37:15] Dana Craig: Yeah, um, but it turns out it does feel great because it feels good to support people doing the thing that I also love, right? I feel good about not being the one on stage. I love the whole world. I love the world, and I love that I can be the support for people that are really good at it and doing it now.

[37:35] Dana Craig: Look at you.

[37:37] Katrina Newman: I love your energy. I just love that. I love that that is in you because as a performer who is now not doing that and hasn't done that for 10 years.

[37:50] Dana Craig: I don't think it leaves.

[37:53] Katrina Newman: It's somewhere in there.

[37:54] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[37:54] Katrina Newman: It's stirring around and it comes out in other ways. Maybe maybe it comes out in your personality, maybe it comes out uh in um, I don't know, in your in your work, and yeah, of course, whatever's happening. Um, maybe in this podcast, you know, like this is definitely like an outlet.

[38:13] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[38:13] Katrina Newman: Um, but I do it's such an interesting thing because it it's definitely something that's that's in there, and it's it was interesting when you said, isn't that curious when you're little you think that dancing was going to be my life?

[38:29] Dana Craig: Oh, for sure.

[38:29] Katrina Newman: Well, little do little people know that life happens.

[38:29] Dana Craig: Life happens.

[38:36] Katrina Newman: There are bills. There are things, and it's like, yeah, if I could just dance and not have to pay rent or just go dance in the countryside.

[38:47] Katrina Newman: Great.

[38:48] Dana Craig: Great.

[38:48] Katrina Newman: That's still something that lives in there.

[38:51] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[38:51] Katrina Newman: I just love the conversation because it's so nuanced and it goes to different parts of your brain and it comes out in different ways.

[39:00] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[39:00] Katrina Newman: There's so many people out there.

[39:02] Dana Craig: There's so many people.

[39:03] Katrina Newman: I went to, I think, college with Drew Hollenbeck, who like as a performer, like we do karaoke. Like, maybe it's karaoke. Like there's just there needs to be something that gets you off in that same way, and it might be creative, it might be just being in the world, it might be being a bartender.

[39:20] Dana Craig: Well, I think it makes you also a little bit more valuable at anything you do, right?

[39:26] Katrina Newman: I have said about this transition into the wardrobe world that, you know, I didn't really have experience, it was new to me, and I was amazed that the fact that I am pretty pleasant, I'm like show up on time, I work when I'm supposed to work, that that is valued.

[39:46] Dana Craig: Yes, right?

[39:47] Katrina Newman: Yes, that a lot of people maybe like muggles in the workforce, you know. I don't really know. Maybe that's not a normal skill set, but I feel like that was what my strengths were as a performer, too. That's like I will work really hard, I'll go home and study my music, I will study those dance steps, I'll be ready for the next day. But you can't always show that in an audition setting, yeah, right?

[40:09] Dana Craig: So that doesn't necessarily get you work, yeah, unless you have established relationships that the same people are hiring you.

[40:16] Katrina Newman: But in the technical side on the crew side, that's valuable. And I think that you kind of have to love theater a little bit to do it, to want to work every night and every weekend and be in a basement. I work in a basement like it, it's really, you can not smell the theater every day.

[40:35] Dana Craig: I get to smell the theater every day I would bottle that up.

[40:38] Katrina Newman: Yeah, you know, I love, I burn that candle from all three wicks.

[40:42] Dana Craig: Oh, a real wicks I made a, you sure did you made a little Broadway joke.

[40:50] Katrina Newman: Good for you.

[40:52] Dana Craig: I want to circle back to something you said minutes ago, tens of minutes ago. You mentioned swinging and I want to talk about how that's different on the performer side where there are hired swings to cover specific things and that's it. On the other side of the curtain, there's a lot more flexibility within all of the theaters to step in and live another show somebody so they can have that wedding.

[41:22] Katrina Newman: Yeah, it's a real blessing. It's one of the things I sort of like most about not being on stage is that there's coverage and availability and for the actors, you know, for our show we have two female swings for an ensemble of ten. The swings are in the building every night they clock in, they're available and ready to go whether they're on stage or not whether they jump into a role or not.

[41:45] Dana Craig: Um, for crew there is some internal coverage like I mentioned I will bump up to cover the dressers that dress our princess Anna and Queen Elsa so I'll cover either of those tracks and then someone else will cover my normal track.

[42:02] Katrina Newman: And these are people that aren't in the building all the time. There are sort of subs, our coverage, super valuable. And maybe they swing at a couple of different shows or they know my female ensemble track and a few other tracks within the show.

[42:16] Dana Craig: So they can kind of bump around to a few places.

[42:19] Katrina Newman: Um, and so that's really lovely, especially with a great boss that like wants us to be happy at work and wants us to have lives outside of work. If there's coverage available she's very generous with time off.

[42:32] Dana Craig: Which is great.

[42:33] Katrina Newman: I feel like I've said for my whole life I've had to say no to every birthday party, family dinner, all of those kind of things because I work nights and weekends.

[42:44] Dana Craig: But I've been able to do that.

[42:46] Katrina Newman: I've been able to do that finally to have a family birthday dinner for my eight-year-old nephew and I can show up. You know, which is the sacrifices performers especially make on Broadway is like is incredible.

[43:00] Dana Craig: It's huge.

[43:01] Katrina Newman: They have to be at work.

[43:02] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[43:02] Katrina Newman: When we're everyone else is off they're doing that show wait you're not available for dinner.

[43:08] Dana Craig: Great.

[43:09] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[43:10] Dana Craig: And you've done your fair share of swinging.

[43:13] Katrina Newman: Yes, am I remembering that right?

[43:14] Dana Craig: I've learned a little bit something rotten.

[43:17] Katrina Newman: Yes.

[43:17] Dana Craig: Time.

[43:18] Katrina Newman: I did a little something rotten I learned a couple of Sue Craig's favorite Broadway musical.

[43:23] Dana Craig: Oh my mom I need to shout that out.

[43:26] Katrina Newman: She loved it.

[43:27] Dana Craig: Okay, Sue.

[43:28] Katrina Newman: Loved it.

[43:28] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[43:29] Katrina Newman: It um, I don't know that swinging is for me.

[43:33] Dana Craig: Mm-hmm.

[43:34] Katrina Newman: That was a lot of things.

[43:34] Dana Craig: Talk about it.

[43:35] Katrina Newman: Talk about it.

[43:36] Dana Craig: Oh I'm a nervous person.

[43:38] Katrina Newman: I like to be good at things.

[43:41] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[43:41] Katrina Newman: I got sweaty.

[43:43] Dana Craig: So um the one of the biggest differences that I found between being on the crew side and actor side is that as a crew member you get three shows to learn the track.

[43:53] Katrina Newman: You follow the dresser for one and just observe, and they make it look so easy. They make because they've done it every day, they know exactly where the hook is, where the zipper is, bim bam boom, you're off.

[44:04] Dana Craig: So you watch it once, and you're like, oh, that doesn't seem too bad.

[44:07] Katrina Newman: Then you get your hands on costumes on actors that are, you know, it's just it's crazy. You're in the dark, you have a bite light in your mouth, you're trying to look at notes.

[44:17] Dana Craig: You need to wear a go.

[44:18] Katrina Newman: No.

[44:19] Dana Craig: I'm just wearing like put a GoPro on your head for that first day and just like record everything.

[44:23] Katrina Newman: Record it's at all.

[44:24] Dana Craig: It's a good idea.

[44:25] Katrina Newman: It's illegal though.

[44:27] Dana Craig: Is it really?

[44:28] Katrina Newman: You can't film it.

[44:29] Dana Craig: Crazy.

[44:29] Katrina Newman: You're not going home and watching that.

[44:31] Dana Craig: I mean, I'm not uploading it to YouTube, but it would be a good study guide.

[44:36] Katrina Newman: But yeah, no GoPros. People are naked.

[44:40] Dana Craig: Oh, that's right.

[44:42] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[44:42] Dana Craig: Totally forgot about that.

[44:43] Katrina Newman: So that's illegal, darling, ladies and gentlemen.

[44:46] Dana Craig: She wanted that.

[44:48] Katrina Newman: Good video.

[44:49] Dana Craig: Um but yeah, so we get one chance to run the show with our hands on things, and then we get a go with the person whose track it is kind of trailing you to avert crisis, but you're kind of on your own, and then that's it.

[45:03] Katrina Newman: It's on you.

[45:04] Dana Craig: Don't ruin the show.

[45:06] Katrina Newman: Don't ruin Broadway.

[45:07] Dana Craig: Good luck.

[45:08] Katrina Newman: Don't ruin Broadway.

[45:10] Dana Craig: And I the stress, just because I am a perfectionist, I take things seriously, it's really stressful for me.

[45:18] Katrina Newman: Um, so I've done it, and when I need a job again, I'll probably do it again. That's kind of how you can get your foot in the door with a show that's running, you know, running before you're involved.

[45:27] Dana Craig: Have you found that the actors are um understanding of I'm doing my job and my show, and I know what I'm doing, but there's this new person that does have to learn it at some point.

[45:39] Katrina Newman: And this is the best way we figured out how.

[45:42] Dana Craig: It's a place that I would love to learn to teach a little bit more compassion.

[45:47] Katrina Newman: Oh, yeah.

[45:47] Dana Craig: What is your what is your grant like a wish?

[45:51] Katrina Newman: Oh, for a person in your field that you're like, that's a great question.

[45:57] Dana Craig: We're not naming names.

[45:58] Katrina Newman: We're not naming names. I guess I wish, I guess I do wish, that there was a little more unity in the whole company of shows. I feel like sometimes, of course, our jobs are all different. The energy that we all expend is a bit different, but um sometimes I feel like it's easy, it's easy to forget that like we're all there all the time, we're all working hard, and wardrobe folks tend to stay with wardrobe folks and carpenters stay with carpenters and actors stay with actors.

[46:31] Dana Craig: Um, and I sort of wish it was just like all a bit more understanding of like we're just all coming to work and everyone's doing their best, and at the end of the day, no one's dying, no one's like saving the world, it's just a musical, you know?

[46:47] Katrina Newman: It's just like how lucky are we all to have it's just TV, right?

[46:52] Dana Craig: What yeah, it's all gonna be okay.

[46:54] Katrina Newman: What's anyone mad about?

[46:55] Dana Craig: Right.

[46:56] Katrina Newman: What a great transition, because I was gonna talk about dressing these iconic girls for all the television appearances.

[47:04] Dana Craig: That obviously any show will do their fair share of television press.

[47:07] Katrina Newman: Right.

[47:08] Dana Craig: But adding on a the Disney name and B the frozen name.

[47:12] Katrina Newman: Again, I mean you're you guys are constantly on TV.

[47:15] Dana Craig: And I'll oh, I'll never forget the first time Let It Go was on TV, was on the view in the theater.

[47:22] Katrina Newman: In the theater, yeah.

[47:22] Dana Craig: They came in to film, you know, in the theater.

[47:25] Katrina Newman: How does that stuff affect your job?

[47:28] Dana Craig: Right.

[47:28] Katrina Newman: Well, it depends. It kind of for a lot of our press, it's only those main girls.

[47:33] Dana Craig: Sister Princess Queen.

[47:35] Katrina Newman: Um, and most of the had to go back.

[47:41] Katrina Newman: Most of the time, I'm not there.

[47:44] Dana Craig: Great.

[47:46] Katrina Newman: Um, I did uh Casey Levy, beautiful, wonderful, as kind of heart as she is talented, Casey Levy was her dresser was out of town for a few scheduled days off when a press appearance came up.

[48:01] Dana Craig: So I got to go with Casey to a good morning America appearance, and it's great, and it's just get them into costume and help them do their job, right?

[48:11] Katrina Newman: Because it's like all different, it's all different environments and sort of technical elements and all of that.

[48:18] Dana Craig: So we're just there to assist, pass a water bottle, keep them hydrated, keep them happy, and then when it's over though, I mean there's work to be done at the theater, that costume then has to be like cleaned again.

[48:28] Katrina Newman: Yeah, just a little bit of extra, a little extra switching out of those, you know, maybe arm pit pads, you know.

[48:35] Dana Craig: We put that little pit pad in so you don't have to wash the costume every time.

[48:38] Katrina Newman: I love that.

[48:39] Dana Craig: Uh backstage at Kinky Boots they had the uh the vodka water bowl.

[48:42] Katrina Newman: Oh, yeah.

[48:43] Dana Craig: I have that in my closet.

[48:45] Katrina Newman: We have beautiful vodka mists.

[48:46] Dana Craig: Some we put a little lavender essence in also.

[48:49] Katrina Newman: It's really nice.

[48:50] Dana Craig: Vodka is uh the alcohol is like just enough alcoholic content that it's an antibacterial, but it doesn't degrade the fiber.

[48:58] Katrina Newman: Is it just vodka?

[48:59] Dana Craig: Or is it usually vodka water mix?

[49:02] Katrina Newman: It varies.

[49:03] Katrina Newman: I've heard some costume people are like, do not put straight vodka.

[49:08] Dana Craig: That's too strong on costumes, whatever.

[49:10] Katrina Newman: And then some people are like, kill those germs.

[49:13] Dana Craig: Make it smell good.

[49:13] Katrina Newman: Straight vodka.

[49:14] Dana Craig: So I think it just depends.

[49:16] Katrina Newman: Tricks of the trade.

[49:17] Dana Craig: Do you have any more tricks of the trade?

[49:19] Katrina Newman: Let me think.

[49:17] Katrina Newman: Tricks of the trade, tricks of the trade.

[49:22] Dana Craig: What would you think?

[49:22] Katrina Newman: That muggles that muggles wouldn't know.

[49:24] Dana Craig: That's a great question.

[49:26] Katrina Newman: Here's one thing I'll add.

[49:28] Dana Craig: Okay.

[49:28] Katrina Newman: Hit us.

[49:29] Katrina Newman: Steam your clothes, people.

[49:32] Dana Craig: Why are you looking at me?

[49:35] Katrina Newman: Just because Steven has a t-shirt on.

[49:36] Dana Craig: I'm sorry, we're ladies.

[49:37] Katrina Newman: I don't know.

[49:38] Dana Craig: Um, it's a funny thing, like, even how circling back to Halloween, all these like beautiful superheroes and princesses with capes and stuff, and they had the like square package lines like that just came out of the package.

[49:50] Katrina Newman: I was like, oh, just a little handheld travel steamer, and you would have this shirt is wrinkled, too.

[49:55] Dana Craig: No, you guys both look gorgeously.

[49:57] Katrina Newman: But I don't know.

[50:00] Katrina Newman: It's a like blessing and a curse that now that I do have these little tricks, I'm like, I want to wear the skirt, but I'll have to press it.

[50:06] Dana Craig: You know, like oh, this I'm wearing all my black, you know, blah show blacks, and I really need to lint roll these.

[50:13] Katrina Newman: Like, I just like can't anymore.

[50:16] Dana Craig: Just go out into the world unprepared.

[50:19] Katrina Newman: Sure.

[50:19] Dana Craig: Gotta prep that outfit.

[50:21] Katrina Newman: Gotta prep my life costume.

[50:23] Dana Craig: Prep prep your life.

[50:24] Katrina Newman: Prep your life.

[50:25] Dana Craig: Um I'm guessing we're not gonna get much of an answer because Disney would get mad.

[50:25] Katrina Newman: Because Disney.

[50:32] Dana Craig: But what has to do?

[50:33] Katrina Newman: We love Disney.

[50:34] Dana Craig: We love Disney, but it's just, you know, it's like, you know, you bow down.

[50:37] Katrina Newman: Yeah, but there is magic, and we we all secretly want to know like how the strings get pulled.

[50:42] Dana Craig: Yeah, but there's some very cool costume magic that happens.

[50:46] Katrina Newman: There is some really cool costume magic.

[50:48] Katrina Newman: And like, not every show has costume magic.

[50:52] Dana Craig: This one famously has costume magic.

[50:54] Katrina Newman: Come from away, I don't think it has much costume magic.

[50:57] Dana Craig: No, there's parkas and get into it.

[50:59] Katrina Newman: And I love Come from Away.

[51:01] Katrina Newman: I think it's the most beautiful show ever.

[51:03] Dana Craig: And I have a friend that lovingly calls it a Sears Catalog the Musical.

[51:08] Katrina Newman: It kind of looks like, I mean, I mean, and talk about choreography.

[51:12] Dana Craig: I mean that is tightly choreographed.

[51:14] Katrina Newman: And I'm sure there's some quick changes, but I don't know, maybe not.

[51:17] Dana Craig: Because they're all so many different characters.

[51:19] Katrina Newman: I'm sure.

[51:19] Dana Craig: Yeah, yeah.

[51:20] Katrina Newman: So I guess my question is, you know, without naming strings, um, would you be able to agree that the innovation behind these costumes to make that magic happen seemingly effortlessly um is cool even to a professional.

[51:37] Katrina Newman: It's really cool. And it is like a lot of people. But if you had to make that like drag costume for somebody, and you're like, how would I do it? And then being on this other side of a Disney musical with a Disney budget with Disney costumes and seeing how it's really done. Yeah, it's cool. And it's um, you know, the magic. I usually say that theater magic is usually if it looks high tech, it is probably like a man with a prop on a stick, right? Like it is generally theater is the lowest tech, which is like what I love. That's what I love about going backstage. You go up and you're like, oh, I saw that set piece, and I thought it was the coolest thing in my seat, and you go up and you're wait a minute.

Yeah. Wait a minute. It's simple. These magical costumes have more elements than I've ever seen in costumes. And um, and it's some really brilliant construction. Is there costume tech before the show to Yep? There is there's a lot that needs to be tested for safety and magic. I can't reveal. Great sure. Sure, sure. I would like a t-shirt that says tested for safety and magic. And magic. Yeah. Reindeer are better than people. Thank you. Thank you for agreeing.

[53:01] Dana Craig: Um is there a couple of those costumes? Um, is there more than we think? Are there more than we think?

[53:14] Katrina Newman: Um two different actors play the reindeer. It is only one man in the reindeer costume slash puppet. And God bless. I mean, oh my god. Your show posted a cool Instagram like flipbook moment of how that's because of the way it appears. It's really hard to envision how there's one man in there. That's the hardest working man in show business. I tell you what. And his face is never even seen. You know for the bow! No, still not for the bow. I saw it, I think opening night or something. Yeah. Nope. Nope. Great. Didn't right? Like it's like at the parks you never see a costume character flip up their head like the trash um almost in Times Square, you know?

[54:00] Dana Craig: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[54:01] Katrina Newman: The trash Elsa's in Times Square. They're there too. But like, no, if you're a character, you are only that character. I think that's a Disney through line.

[54:09] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[54:10] Katrina Newman: So yeah, he works really hard. And I think there are two whole reindeer. Because they stay sweating in there. I'm sure. Like, you know, you don't want to put someone else's funk on you. Hey. You gotta be in there. He's like in there. Depends on what night it is. Hey. Truth.

[54:28] Dana Craig: What were my other questions? We have two more questions. Well, we definitely have two more questions.

[54:33] Katrina Newman: Um we ask everyone these questions.

[54:36] Dana Craig: Okay.

[54:36] Katrina Newman: The first real in there. But enough about me. Let's talk about you. What do you think of me?

[54:42] Dana Craig: What was your first impression of each of us?

[54:45] Katrina Newman: Oh my gosh. First impression. Well, I first know Steven from Mark Fisher Fitness.

[54:52] Steven Ferezy: Yes, ma'am.

[54:54] Katrina Newman: I'm trying to think if I can. Which I also always think is so funny that we found each other, even though I had already found Kevin.

[55:00] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[55:01] Katrina Newman: I found you on my own.

[55:02] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[55:02] Katrina Newman: And I feel good about that. I feel great about it. And Steven was just gorgeous and sweet and kind. We became fitness friends. There's something that like bonds you when you sweat with someone.

[55:14] Dana Craig: Oh, yes. Right?

[55:15] Katrina Newman: I think you're knowing that you are about to um, like get sweaty and gross and eventually look your absolute worst.

[55:24] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[55:25] Katrina Newman: With other people and especially at Mark Fisher Fitness, you go and everyone kind of is like, I'm ready to see you at your worst. Are you ready to see me at mine? Let's let's see how worst we can get. It's a high five culture.

[55:38] Dana Craig: It's totally a definite culture.

[55:40] Katrina Newman: And um, and then you've been my stitching assistant when I've been doing those dance costumes and like under a mountain of spandex, like just not sure if I'd get through it. Steven came over and helped cut and sew and was awesome. You're a good friend.

[55:57] Dana Craig: I love it.

[55:58] Katrina Newman: I love it so much. I just knew you love seeing the good kind part.

[56:02] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[56:03] Katrina Newman: Of your work. And then Dana, we've met before at MFF.

[56:06] Dana Craig: Yes.

[56:07] Katrina Newman: Yes. Okay. Yes.

[56:08] Dana Craig: Yes.

[56:08] Katrina Newman: And then you know how you like Facebook friend request everyone who works at Mark Fisher Fitness?

[56:13] Dana Craig: Yes.

[56:14] Katrina Newman: Or is like maybe in your class. We never took a class, but you worked there.

[56:17] Dana Craig: Yeah, we were with Steve and I were uh what they called Rainbow Wranglers, which was sort of their early sort of work study programs.

[56:25] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[56:26] Dana Craig: I did it back in for legit did like snatched in 2015.

[56:32] Katrina Newman: That was my day. What a great year.

[56:34] Dana Craig: That was my guess.

[56:35] Katrina Newman: And never again.

[56:36] Dana Craig: Um, I think it's just a good about your fitness lately.

[56:39] Katrina Newman: I have.

[56:41] Dana Craig: Yes. Thank you for that shout out. But yes, that was our original.

[56:45] Katrina Newman: And then we're Facebook friends. Like, I'm aware.

[56:46] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[56:48] Katrina Newman: And we're just like, yeah.

[56:49] Dana Craig: Yeah, isn't that weird?

[56:50] Katrina Newman: Yeah. Always bringing the glamour.

[56:52] Dana Craig: Always fun stuff.

[56:54] Katrina Newman: Yeah. I mean, we curate our existence, don't we?

[56:55] Dana Craig: Don't we?

[56:58] Katrina Newman: Yeah. She lives in Astoria near where you used to live.

[57:02] Dana Craig: Yeah, I was an Astoria resident for most of my New York years.

[57:06] Katrina Newman: I love it. I love it so much.

[57:08] Dana Craig: I love it so much.

[57:09] Katrina Newman: That's neighborhood.

[57:10] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[57:11] Katrina Newman: I live in Harlem now. It's great, but it's not Astoria.

[57:14] Dana Craig: It's not.

[57:14] Katrina Newman: Yeah. It's very different.

[57:16] Dana Craig: It's very different.

[57:17] Katrina Newman: But I can't wait to see that apartment.

[57:18] Dana Craig: Oh my gosh, you have to come over here.

[57:19] Katrina Newman: I can't wait. You don't even have to work.

[57:21] Dana Craig: Anytime.

[57:22] Katrina Newman: I won't even make you cut out chiffon wings or anything.

[57:25] Dana Craig: Can I bring my own chiffon?

[57:27] Katrina Newman: Yes. BYO chiffon.

[57:31] Dana Craig: Our other question that we ask everyone.

[57:33] Katrina Newman: Yes.

[57:35] Dana Craig: I hold it. There are seven very well known dwarves in history. If you were the eighth dwarf, what would your name be?

[57:49] Katrina Newman: Sparkly.

[57:52] Dana Craig: Do we have dwarf twins now?

[57:54] Katrina Newman: Oh, is there already sparkly?

[57:57] Dana Craig: Oh my gosh, I dressed her at Something Rotten.

[58:00] Katrina Newman: That one track that I learned.

[58:02] Dana Craig: See how small.

[58:05] Katrina Newman: You guys are dwarf twins. You know?

[58:07] Dana Craig: And I think that fits for both a yes.

[58:10] Katrina Newman: Yeah, that works. Thanks.

[58:12] Dana Craig: Ooh. I think I was like, oh, did I pick a bad word? Should I choose something else?

[58:17] Katrina Newman: Is she named Stitchy or something?

[58:18] Dana Craig: No, Stitchy.

[58:20] Katrina Newman: That's terrifying.

[58:22] Dana Craig: Oh, yeah.

[58:23] Katrina Newman: Needle. Where's Needles the Dwarf?

[58:26] Dana Craig: Joanne.

[58:27] Katrina Newman: Joanne!

[58:29] Dana Craig: Joanne Fabrics.

[58:32] Katrina Newman: Oh, no, I love Sparkle. You are a delight. Thank you. You good.

[58:37] Dana Craig: And I'm so glad we had a moment. This was really fun. And a very busy day for you.

[58:45] Katrina Newman: Let's go.

[58:45] Dana Craig: First.

[58:46] Katrina Newman: Great.

[58:46] Dana Craig: First.

[58:47] Katrina Newman: First word.

[58:48] Dana Craig: Yes.

[58:49] Katrina Newman: And not last. There are so many jobs in theater. That's one thing. If there's ever like children or there's a talk back at the theater that I can be involved in, is something that I want to tell the like tell young theater lovers. But then if it um if goals change, if life changes, there are so many jobs. You can be a company manager.

[59:20] Brian DeKaliway: I was gonna say Andrew Hallenbeg is like he was like, if there was if I knew that there was a company manager, if I knew what my position was here at Aladdin, I would have done that.

[59:31] Katrina Newman: Right. You know, and I I just I think that's great.

[59:34] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[59:34] Katrina Newman: A lot of different people can live inside you. And like, I feel like um anthropologically, people think that there's like one thing you have to do for the rest of your life and then you die.

[59:46] Dana Craig: Oh.

[59:47] Katrina Newman: That's incorrect. You can go a whole bunch of different ways. You can try out a whole bunch of different things. Something might lead to another thing. Bianca Del Rio was a dresser on Broadway.

[59:58] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[59:59] Katrina Newman: Roy is a brilliant draper. Worked in a costume shop building that stuff. Hello. Brilliant. So of course those skills translated. And demo Bianca Del Rio, right? Famous drag queen of all time, still a performer, still got to do that.

[1:00:19] Dana Craig: Right.

[1:00:19] Katrina Newman: Still gets to do. I mean, there's just there's it's unending.

[1:00:22] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[1:00:23] Katrina Newman: And sort of like cyclical, right?

[1:00:25] Dana Craig: Cyclical.

[1:00:26] Katrina Newman: One gets to see the other and experience parts of different aspects of theater. You can just you don't have to do one thing and then you die. Do a billion things.

[1:00:36] Dana Craig: Anthropology.

[1:00:38] Katrina Newman: Tell me what to do.

[1:00:41] Dana Craig: Tell me what to do.

[1:00:43] Katrina Newman: And jumped. It's the first time I've sung post-strap. I had strap and the flu in a 30-day period.

[1:00:50] Dana Craig: Babe.

[1:00:51] Katrina Newman: You look skinny though.

[1:00:53] Dana Craig: Oh.

[1:00:55] Katrina Newman: Thank you. It's not important. I kept telling myself that illness or I'm just sweating and like I don't want water.

[1:01:03] Dana Craig: But you're so skinny.

[1:01:04] Katrina Newman: No, it's so terrible.

[1:01:06] Dana Craig: Oh, I'm glad you're feeling better.

[1:01:08] Katrina Newman: Thanks, me too. Ouch. Z-pack, man. Where can people find you on the internet and keep up with your glamorous lifestyle dressing the princess, sister, princess kitchen, pizza kitchen queen.

[1:01:24] Katrina Newman: Wow. California pizza Sister Princess Queen. Yes. I have that Instagram. You can find me at Katrina New, but K-N-E W K-A-T-R-I-N-A, K-N-E W, Katrina New.

[1:01:38] Dana Craig: Um, or hit me find me on that Facebook if you're old school.

[1:01:41] Katrina Newman: That's it. I just use those two social meds. That's it.

[1:01:45] Dana Craig: And go see the theater.

[1:01:47] Katrina Newman: Go see Club. I saw it in Denver, but I have not seen it in New York yet. So I would like to come and see the day. I think we'll be around for a little while, which is like such a blessing, and uh what a comfort to know that that's and they just started their first national tour.

[1:02:02] Dana Craig: You can literally a week ago all over the country.

[1:02:05] Katrina Newman: Yeah.

[1:02:06] Katrina Newman: They're in Schenectady as we speak.

[1:02:08] Dana Craig: Yes, and productions are in the works for London and uh Japan and Australia.

[1:02:15] Katrina Newman: It's huge. It's all starting to happen.

[1:02:18] Dana Craig: So fun.

[1:02:19] Katrina Newman: All those little girls and boys and their families getting seeing little boy Elsa's.

[1:02:26] Dana Craig: Or little boys in the gloves, maybe gloves only.

[1:02:28] Katrina Newman: Oh sweet. Boy Elsa's. When I saw it in Denver, there were so many like mother-daughters Elsa combos.

[1:02:36] Dana Craig: Wow.

[1:02:36] Katrina Newman: Both in Elsa costume. That is the other funny thing. We've gotten some good.

[1:02:40] Dana Craig: It was a joy.

[1:02:41] Katrina Newman: Adult adult cosplay dresser uppers.

[1:02:45] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[1:02:45] Katrina Newman: I imagine.

[1:02:46] Dana Craig: So exciting.

[1:02:47] Katrina Newman: So exciting. Everyone's excited.

[1:02:51] Dana Craig: Come on.

[1:02:51] Katrina Newman: The cold never bothered them anyway.

[1:02:53] Dana Craig: It didn't.

[1:02:54] Katrina Newman: It never does. And continues not to. Eight shows a week at the St. James Theater on West 44.

[1:03:01] Dana Craig: Yes.

[1:03:01] Katrina Newman: You're a doll baby, and um uh thank you so much for the channel.

[1:03:04] Dana Craig: I love you guys.

[1:03:07] Katrina Newman: What else?

[1:03:08] Dana Craig: Uh what else?

[1:03:09] Katrina Newman: This is great.

[1:03:10] Dana Craig: I love you.

[1:03:11] Katrina Newman: Love you too.

[1:03:12] Dana Craig: Bye.

[1:03:13] Katrina Newman: Bye.

[1:03:14] Dana Craig: Bye.

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