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[0:00] Steven Ferezy: Take one.

[0:04] Dana Craig: We're Steven and Dana.

[0:05] Steven Ferezy: We can't believe it.

[0:10] Dana Craig: We're so glad you're listening to, and we would never listen to.

[0:13] Steven Ferezy: But I don't even want to listen to it to edit it.

[0:15] Dana Craig: I don't even want to wake up in the morning.

[0:18] Steven Ferezy: Stephen and Dana.

[0:20] Dana Craig: In the realm.

[0:22] Steven Ferezy: God was the moistest groundbread I've ever had.

[0:32] Dana Craig: Hi Steven.

[0:34] Steven Ferezy: Hi.

[0:34] Dana Craig: Have we started?

[0:35] Steven Ferezy: Sure.

[0:36] Dana Craig: Yes. Welcome.

[0:37] Steven Ferezy: We're talking in um 120 beats per minute today.

[0:41] Dana Craig: You like those beats per minute.

[0:43] Steven Ferezy: I do.

[0:43] Dana Craig: A BPM.

[0:45] Steven Ferezy: Um a Brian Patrick.

[0:46] Dana Craig: Brian Patrick Murphy, who had a child.

[0:49] Steven Ferezy: He's a dad.

[0:50] Dana Craig: He's a dad.

[0:51] Steven Ferezy: Um Mark Fisher, shout-out.

[0:52] Dana Craig: In the truest sense of the word.

[0:54] Steven Ferezy: Um, I'm trying to find my notes.

[0:56] Dana Craig: Oh, here we go.

[0:57] Steven Ferezy: There we go.

[0:58] Dana Craig: Does Eve Plum have them?

[0:59] Steven Ferezy: Eve Plum has our notes.

[1:02] Dana Craig: Okay, so we have to catch up.

[1:04] Steven Ferezy: We haven't seen each other for like two weeks.

[1:06] Dana Craig: How'd that happen?

[1:08] Steven Ferezy: That's not what happened.

[1:09] Dana Craig: It just didn't happen.

[1:11] Steven Ferezy: What have you been doing?

[1:12] Dana Craig: Sweating.

[1:13] Steven Ferezy: Our last episode was our birthday episode.

[1:15] Dana Craig: Right.

[1:13] Steven Ferezy: Our birthday episode.

[1:18] Dana Craig: It was we had a heat wave.

[1:19] Steven Ferezy: I did.

[1:19] Dana Craig: I canceled everything and I hid my house.

[1:21] Steven Ferezy: And I watched Killing Eve.

[1:23] Dana Craig: Talk about it.

[1:24] Steven Ferezy: Sandra O was nominated for an Emmy this morning.

[1:27] Dana Craig: Killing Eve is so good.

[1:30] Steven Ferezy: It's so British.

[1:31] Dana Craig: And where do we find it?

[1:32] Steven Ferezy: Amazon Prime slash.

[1:34] Dana Craig: I think it's if you have like acorn or some sort of access to BBC stuff, it might be free, but um Penny Fuller bought it on Amazon, so I logged into her account and watched it.

[1:45] Steven Ferezy: Okay, great.

[1:47] Dana Craig: Hand scene.

[1:49] Steven Ferezy: It's so good.

[1:50] Dana Craig: If you like spy shit, if you like assassination assassination shit, if you like.

[1:58] Steven Ferezy: Our guests are currently making out right now, so it's a little distracting.

[2:03] Dana Craig: I'm not making out.

[2:05] Steven Ferezy: We'll get to you.

[2:07] Dana Craig: Um you guys are doing your kids.

[2:09] Steven Ferezy: We're doing ours, we barely see each other today.

[2:12] Dana Craig: Alright, so we should like put a curtain here.

[2:14] Steven Ferezy: So Stephen.

[2:15] Dana Craig: So Killing Eve is great.

[2:16] Steven Ferezy: Marsha and Greg Brady.

[2:18] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[2:21] Steven Ferezy: Killing Eve is nailing it.

[2:22] Dana Craig: It's so good.

[2:24] Steven Ferezy: The acting is incredible.

[2:26] Dana Craig: It's so British.

[2:27] Steven Ferezy: It's I can't.

[2:31] Dana Craig: Okay.

[2:31] Steven Ferezy: Do we need to go on the other side?

[2:33] Dana Craig: No, it's this is the worst podcast you guys are ever gonna listen to.

[2:37] Steven Ferezy: Go watch Killing Eve, it's really good.

[2:39] Dana Craig: Okay, and also when last we spoke, I had only seen Frozen on Broadway.

[2:43] Steven Ferezy: Guess what?

[2:43] Dana Craig: You said I've seen more.

[2:46] Steven Ferezy: I've seen Head Over Heels.

[2:48] Dana Craig: Bonnie Milligan, past guest, is making her Broadway debut and is Remember that thing she said she couldn't talk about on her episode.

[2:56] Steven Ferezy: Like a week later, then she's gonna be like, And then we stopped hitting recording she told us.

[2:58] Dana Craig: Yeah, yeah.

[2:59] Steven Ferezy: That's it.

[3:00] Dana Craig: So she's nailing it as the fucking lead in Head Over Heels.

[3:05] Steven Ferezy: Go-go's music set to like the Renaissance.

[3:08] Dana Craig: So if you liked something rotten, if you liked kinky boots, if you liked Peter and the Star Catcher, pretend all those things had a baby and gave birth to Head Over Heels.

[3:17] Steven Ferezy: And it's fun.

[3:18] Dana Craig: It's really fun.

[3:19] Steven Ferezy: It was front row center.

[3:20] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[3:21] Steven Ferezy: And she's ugh a Broadway star.

[3:24] Dana Craig: What else do we see?

[3:25] Steven Ferezy: We just came from.

[3:27] Dana Craig: We just came from G.

[3:29] Steven Ferezy: Fiddler offendach.

[3:31] Dana Craig: Fiddler on Zerof.

[3:33] Steven Ferezy: In complete Yiddish.

[3:35] Dana Craig: Correct.

[3:36] Steven Ferezy: Directed by Steven's friend, Joel Gray.

[3:39] Dana Craig: Correct.

[3:40] Steven Ferezy: It was so good.

[3:41] Dana Craig: Immaculate.

[3:42] Steven Ferezy: It was breathtaking.

[3:43] Dana Craig: It was perfect.

[3:44] Steven Ferezy: I would I love Fiddler.

[3:46] Dana Craig: It's one of my top five favorite shows of all time.

[3:48] Steven Ferezy: And everyone needs to go see it.

[3:50] Dana Craig: It was really moving to hear that in Yiddish.

[3:54] Steven Ferezy: And it's it's it's not English's fault for being English telling stories about places where they don't speak English.

[4:01] Dana Craig: Yeah, but it adds that layer.

[4:03] Steven Ferezy: It forces you into that world and out of New York City 2018.

[4:07] Dana Craig: Oh.

[4:08] Steven Ferezy: It's not distracting.

[4:09] Dana Craig: It's not.

[4:10] Steven Ferezy: There's super titles, so don't feel like you have to know it to go in and just do it from memory.

[4:14] Dana Craig: You can read the scenes, and if you know the music, then you have this great chunk of time where you don't need that, and you can just watch the world happen and understand it without understanding what they're saying.

[4:28] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[4:29] Dana Craig: It's it's really beautifully done.

[4:32] Steven Ferezy: Speaking of Fiddler, I don't know.

[4:34] Dana Craig: The word of the day today.

[4:35] Steven Ferezy: Are we words of friends with Fiddle?

[4:37] Dana Craig: Up top.

[4:38] Steven Ferezy: Um, speaking of Fiddler, I don't know if anyone has tried this yet, but it's summertime and we wear in sandals.

[4:45] Dana Craig: Y'all gotta get into babyfoot exfoliation foot mask.

[4:50] Steven Ferezy: It's fucking weird.

[4:52] Dana Craig: Can't wait to see how you're tying that into Fiddler.

[4:55] Steven Ferezy: I'm not.

[4:55] Dana Craig: It's just incredible.

[4:57] Steven Ferezy: It's sunrise, sunset.

[4:59] Dana Craig: Do they sell it at the Anatefka General store?

[5:02] Steven Ferezy: I don't know.

[5:02] Dana Craig: No, they sell it at Ricky's, and it's like $10.

[5:05] Steven Ferezy: But I mean, if you want your feet to meet you.

[5:06] Dana Craig: Well, Doug Burns is really into it.

[5:08] Steven Ferezy: She is.

[5:09] Dana Craig: So you have baby feet right now.

[5:11] Steven Ferezy: They're not a sponsor.

[5:12] Dana Craig: Is it like a paraffin?

[5:14] Steven Ferezy: You know what it does?

[5:15] Dana Craig: Like, it's like a a foot mask that you wear for like 90 minutes, and then 90.

[5:22] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[5:22] Dana Craig: And then four to seven days later, your feet you take it off and like rinse it off after 90 minutes.

[5:27] Steven Ferezy: But you're gonna say four to seven days later you take it off.

[5:29] Dana Craig: No, four to seven days later, your foot skin starts to come off like a sunburn in like large chunks.

[5:38] Steven Ferezy: Like it doesn't hurt like a sunburn.

[5:40] Dana Craig: Uh you know, it's not like raw skin, you know what I mean?

[5:43] Steven Ferezy: It just sloughs off and it's like so satisfying.

[5:46] Dana Craig: And your baby feet are like there underneath shoes.

[5:50] Steven Ferezy: Do you just shake them out?

[5:52] Dana Craig: Oh.

[5:52] Steven Ferezy: It's not cute in the meantime.

[5:54] Dana Craig: You gotta get a vacuum out.

[5:56] Steven Ferezy: No, it's yeah, oh yeah.

[5:58] Dana Craig: If you're a picker, get into it.

[6:00] Steven Ferezy: Like it's really good for anxiety.

[6:01] Dana Craig: This will be good for you.

[6:02] Steven Ferezy: Oh yeah.

[6:03] Dana Craig: Is it like, yeah, I'm gonna do it all the time.

[6:07] Steven Ferezy: It's really great.

[6:08] Dana Craig: Do you think that the more you do it, the less foot will fall off?

[6:14] Steven Ferezy: There will be less foot too.

[6:15] Dana Craig: Oh, maybe, maybe.

[6:17] Steven Ferezy: Uh, when I was a competition dancer, um, Mandy Moore told me.

[6:24] Dana Craig: This is us, Mandy Moore?

[6:25] Steven Ferezy: No, choreographer of Mandy Moore.

[6:29] Dana Craig: Um told me that every time you take a step barefoot, like 10,000 dead skin cells fall off of your foot.

[6:37] Steven Ferezy: And if I think about that, there are rooms in New York City and Los Angeles where I have entire feet lying around.

[6:45] Dana Craig: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[6:47] Steven Ferezy: Yeah, an entire foot comes off with this foot.

[6:51] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[6:53] Steven Ferezy: Speaking of what?

[6:54] Dana Craig: Do you have a shoe size?

[6:56] Steven Ferezy: Do you think a shoe size?

[6:58] Dana Craig: I'm down to a nine.

[7:00] Steven Ferezy: Looser.

[7:00] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[7:01] Steven Ferezy: That's a great question.

[7:02] Dana Craig: That's a great question.

[7:03] Steven Ferezy: You're so thoughtful.

[7:04] Dana Craig: All I really wanted to know is if you really get to just sit down for 90 minutes, because I'm always looking for a good reason to sit down.

[7:11] Steven Ferezy: Oh, yeah, get get your chips, get your dip, get your wine, get your show, get your remoted by you?

[7:17] Dana Craig: Oh, yeah, because if you start walking around with like to sit plastic lube socks on, you'll see.

[7:22] Steven Ferezy: And then you'll be out of a show for three weeks.

[7:26] Dana Craig: No, it's take care of those baby feet.

[7:28] Steven Ferezy: And then your feet feel like ears.

[7:29] Dana Craig: What a great thing to do between shows.

[7:32] Steven Ferezy: Right.

[7:32] Dana Craig: It is.

[7:34] Steven Ferezy: Like I'm just gonna order it and put my feet up in my dressing or on the equity cot.

[7:40] Dana Craig: Speaking of equity cut.

[7:42] Steven Ferezy: We've got two equity members.

[7:46] Dana Craig: Hit me again, see what happens.

[7:48] Steven Ferezy: Okay.

[7:49] Steven Ferezy: Introducing Star I've come from away, currently on Broadway.

[7:54] Dana Craig: One of huge hit.

[7:56] Steven Ferezy: There's 12.

[7:57] Dana Craig: It's an unsemble piece.

[7:58] Steven Ferezy: They're not here.

[7:59] Dana Craig: I know.

[7:59] Steven Ferezy: Okay.

[8:00] Steven Ferezy: Sharon Wheatley.

[8:02] Dana Craig: And would you like to introduce guest number two?

[8:05] Steven Ferezy: This is my wife Martha Donaldson).

[8:09] Dana Craig: Stage manager on Broadway.

[8:12] Steven Ferezy: Of various things.

[8:13] Dana Craig: And a stage manager under one roof.

[8:16] Steven Ferezy: I know.

[8:17] Dana Craig: Married.

[8:17] Steven Ferezy: This house must run like clockwork.

[8:23] Dana Craig: It does.

[8:25] Steven Ferezy: Not at all.

[8:26] Dana Craig: Nope.

[8:27] Steven Ferezy: Nope.

[8:28] Dana Craig: It doesn't.

[8:29] Steven Ferezy: It runs late.

[8:30] Dana Craig: Places for your wake-up call.

[8:33] Steven Ferezy: There is places for bedtime.

[8:34] Dana Craig: Places for bedtime.

[8:36] Steven Ferezy: What is your bedtime on a Broadway schedule?

[8:38] Dana Craig: Every past week.

[8:39] Steven Ferezy: Well, it depends.

[8:39] Dana Craig: It depends on if we have children here who have to go to school or have activities, right?

[8:46] Steven Ferezy: That's different.

[8:46] Dana Craig: If it's just Martha and I, we're just It's like two.

[8:50] Steven Ferezy: We're on like the two to ten two a.m. to 10 a.m. schedule.

[8:56] Dana Craig: That's a pretty common show schedule, I think.

[9:00] Steven Ferezy: We very rarely actually sleep until 10.

[9:03] Dana Craig: Yeah, we sleep till like nine.

[9:05] Steven Ferezy: We have to wait.

[9:06] Dana Craig: But then you can have a leisurely hour of like dog walking.

[9:09] Steven Ferezy: Dog walking and the first cup of coffee doesn't really count.

[9:14] Dana Craig: Right, right, right.

[9:15] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[9:15] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[9:16] Steven Ferezy: That's uh that's that's our schedule.

[9:18] Dana Craig: You live with two dogs, two cats?

[9:20] Steven Ferezy: Yes.

[9:20] Dana Craig: And two children.

[9:22] Steven Ferezy: Well, yes.

[9:23] Dana Craig: Charlotte's not here.

[9:24] Steven Ferezy: So one of my children is 20, and one is 10.

[9:28] Dana Craig: Can you believe she's that's 20?

[9:31] Steven Ferezy: She's 20.

[9:31] Dana Craig: I've known the 20-year-old since she's seven.

[9:34] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[9:35] Dana Craig: Sam Gina.

[9:36] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[9:37] Dana Craig: And so she's she's a directing major at DePaul in Chicago.

[9:46] Steven Ferezy: My ovaries just dried up.

[9:49] Dana Craig: So you're telling me that when she comes back like to visit, there's a director, a stage manager, and an actress.

[9:55] Steven Ferezy: That's right.

[9:57] Dana Craig: That's correct.

[9:58] Steven Ferezy: There's two stage managers.

[9:59] Dana Craig: He's telling me the 10-year-old wants to like be a set designer.

[10:02] Steven Ferezy: She wants to be a stage manager.

[10:03] Dana Craig: She wants to be a stage manager.

[10:05] Steven Ferezy: Really?

[10:06] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[10:06] Steven Ferezy: So I will say, if either of us say what if I ever say what time it is, they will both correct me as to what the real time is.

[10:15] Steven Ferezy: Oh, yes.

[10:15] Dana Craig: I'm into that.

[10:16] Steven Ferezy: If I say it's like it's 1 25, they'll be like, it's 1 22.

[10:21] Dana Craig: Oh, good for you.

[10:23] Steven Ferezy: Yeah, yeah.

[10:23] Dana Craig: They're right.

[10:25] Steven Ferezy: They're right.

[10:25] Dana Craig: It is, it's true.

[10:26] Steven Ferezy: Those three minutes make a difference.

[10:28] Dana Craig: I know, but you understand that as the actor in the house, I am the lowest in the total of all.

[10:32] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[10:33] Dana Craig: You're the George Clooney, and then they're a mall.

[10:36] Steven Ferezy: Uh-huh.

[10:37] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[10:37] Steven Ferezy: That's right.

[10:38] Dana Craig: All right, right.

[10:39] Steven Ferezy: Yeah, yeah.

[10:40] Dana Craig: So that's that's how that goes.

[10:41] Steven Ferezy: Wonderful.

[10:42] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[10:44] Steven Ferezy: I have I don't even know where to begin.

[10:46] Dana Craig: I don't know where you're.

[10:47] Steven Ferezy: I'm trying.

[10:48] Dana Craig: I'm wrecking my rack.

[10:49] Steven Ferezy: Trying to be like, what year shall we start?

[10:52] Dana Craig: I know we're doing it.

[10:53] Steven Ferezy: Okay, Steve.

[10:53] Dana Craig: We never begin there.

[10:54] Steven Ferezy: Okay, Steven.

[10:55] Dana Craig: We have a segment we like to call what was your first impression of us.

[10:58] Steven Ferezy: But enough about me.

[10:59] Dana Craig: Let's talk about you.

[11:00] Steven Ferezy: What do you think of me?

[11:04] Sharon Wheatley: Of you guys?

[11:05] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[11:05] Sharon Wheatley: Okay.

[11:06] Sharon Wheatley: Well, there's just half.

[11:07] Steven Ferezy: I mean, well, I know Dana is a little bit more than a little bit.

[11:08] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, I don't know either.

[11:09] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[11:10] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, that's why I thought it was.

[11:10] Steven Ferezy: So it should be pretty easy to remember.

[11:12] Sharon Wheatley: Exactly.

[11:14] Steven Ferezy: So we start with that.

[11:16] Sharon Wheatley: Like what our first impression.

[11:18] Dana Craig: Isn't it fun to know what people's first impression of you were?

[11:20] Sharon Wheatley: I thought you guys were immediately cool.

[11:23] Martha Donaldson)): Marthy says theatrical.

[11:27] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[11:27] Steven Ferezy: Cool theatrical.

[11:29] Sharon Wheatley: And just now your opening band here was very good.

[11:32] Dana Craig: Oh, thank you.

[11:33] Sharon Wheatley: I would say that my impression is that you stay up later than we probably do.

[11:39] Steven Ferezy: Not true.

[11:40] Sharon Wheatley: It's not true.

[11:41] Steven Ferezy: This is a rock.

[11:42] Dana Craig: This is a fluke.

[11:43] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, this is a fluke.

[11:44] Steven Ferezy: You don't usually do this this late.

[11:46] Dana Craig: We can.

[11:47] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[11:48] Steven Ferezy: This actually worked out.

[11:49] Sharon Wheatley: This was preferable.

[11:51] Steven Ferezy: We were down at Battery Park.

[11:55] Sharon Wheatley: Oh my god, that's so terrible.

[11:57] Steven Ferezy: Yeah, at the Museum of Jewish Heritage.

[12:00] Sharon Wheatley: Wow.

[12:00] Steven Ferezy: So you're watching Fiddler inside of a Holocaust Museum.

[12:05] Sharon Wheatley: I mean in Yiddish.

[12:07] Dana Craig: You guys would love really doing it.

[12:09] Sharon Wheatley: Ann Hold Ward did the costumes.

[12:11] Dana Craig: They will for it did the set design.

[12:13] Sharon Wheatley: He did our set design.

[12:14] Steven Ferezy: Come from way.

[12:15] Sharon Wheatley: He's Peter Kazarovski an elephant on every one of his sets.

[12:22] Dana Craig: So somewhere on that fillur on the roof set, there is a there is an elephant.

[12:26] Sharon Wheatley: Yes.

[12:27] Steven Ferezy: Like the uh the eye can see?

[12:29] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[12:29] Steven Ferezy: I'm an astral.

[12:30] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[12:31] Steven Ferezy: Somewhere on that set, there's an elephant.

[12:33] Sharon Wheatley: The one for us for Come From Away, if you're looking at the set, there are the two trees that are that look sort of broken, right?

[12:40] Steven Ferezy: That are like the twin towers.

[12:42] Sharon Wheatley: And just to the right of that, there's another tree that I believe has a sign on it, maybe like a beer sign or something.

[12:48] Steven Ferezy: And I think that the elephant's on top of that sign.

[12:51] Sharon Wheatley: But he puts one on every one of these sets.

[12:54] Steven Ferezy: I love that shit.

[12:56] Sharon Wheatley: You knew that, right?

[12:56] Steven Ferezy: No.

[13:01] Sharon Wheatley: Well done, Sharon Ridley.

[13:02] Steven Ferezy: Well done.

[13:03] Sharon Wheatley: Secrets.

[13:04] Steven Ferezy: Secrets.

[13:06] Sharon Wheatley: That's part of my backstage tour.

[13:08] Steven Ferezy: If I do, there's not a lot to look at for Comfort Away.

[13:11] Sharon Wheatley: We're like, well, there's 12 chairs.

[13:13] Steven Ferezy: And then there's two tables and an elephant.

[13:15] Sharon Wheatley: There's my work.

[13:17] Steven Ferezy: Right.

[13:17] Sharon Wheatley: I mean, you know, there's that.

[13:18] Steven Ferezy: So yeah.

[13:20] Sharon Wheatley: Isn't that fun?

[13:21] Steven Ferezy: Are there other Easter eggs like that in your show?

[13:25] Sharon Wheatley: No.

[13:26] Steven Ferezy: Or do those just kind of grow over time because as a cast, you're like, this is this little secret thing that we do.

[13:31] Sharon Wheatley: That's no, I mean, I would say that that's the biggest one.

[13:36] Sharon Wheatley: Um there's all sorts of little like goofy things that we all do, but in terms of like something that's hidden on the set, that's it.

[13:45] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[13:46] Dana Craig: I like your hair color.

[13:47] Sharon Wheatley: Is it lighter?

[13:48] Dana Craig: It is.

[13:49] Sharon Wheatley: It has been changed many times. Like if you look at production pictures through the years of Come From Away, um, but we landed on this color for Broadway.

[13:58] Dana Craig: So it's sort of reddish.

[13:59] Sharon Wheatley: I've never really been red, so no, but what was your first impression of me?

[14:03] Dana Craig: Well, my first impression of you goes all the way back to Kwisasana.

[14:07] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[14:08] Dana Craig: I remember coming up to your table because I served you.

[14:11] Sharon Wheatley: And you gave me one of the best compliments of my life.

[14:14] Dana Craig: And I will never forget it.

[14:15] Sharon Wheatley: Oh my god, what was it?

[14:16] Dana Craig: You were, I don't know, you were just like tying, and then like you broke from what you're talking about, and you're like, Dana Craig, old school.

[14:16] Sharon Wheatley: Old school.

[14:24] Dana Craig: Is that what she gets it?

[14:25] Sharon Wheatley: That's what I said.

[14:27] Dana Craig: Did she told me that earlier today?

[14:28] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, so that's stuck.

[14:30] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[14:30] Sharon Wheatley: And I was like, she's like old. She's like an old soul.

[14:35] Dana Craig: You definitely are, and even like the things that you like in the I will get all of your references.

[14:40] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[14:40] Dana Craig: It's really impressive that way.

[14:43] Sharon Wheatley: I would say for you, Steven, although I've not really met you at all before the way that I had Dana.

[14:48] Dana Craig: I would say like clean cut.

[14:50] Sharon Wheatley: That was my first impression. Like dressed it up for the music.

[14:54] Dana Craig: Nice eyebrows.

[14:55] Sharon Wheatley: I'm gonna go there.

[14:57] Martha Donaldson)): DLI 127.

[14:58] Sharon Wheatley: And quiet. Like it was so quiet in here.

[15:02] Dana Craig: I think you guys were being quiet when I was.

[15:04] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, we didn't we like to plug in before we start.

[15:06] Martha Donaldson)): Martha was a very calming um open door presence.

[15:10] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, was just very good.

[15:11] Dana Craig: Oh my gosh, she was like, hello. Come on in.

[15:12] Martha Donaldson)): We live here.

[15:13] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[15:16] Dana Craig: No, but I'm I'm obsessed with you, Sharon Wheatley.

[15:19] Martha Donaldson)): And um I stalk you a little bit.

[15:23] Sharon Wheatley: I've I follow you around and notes in the dining room.

[15:26] Dana Craig: I think it's fine.

[15:27] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, yeah, no problem.

[15:28] Dana Craig: Yeah, into it. If anyone wants to know what my type is, are you gonna start hiding notes to Sharon Wheatley on the set of Come From Away?

[15:35] Sharon Wheatley: Maybe I'd be like, hey Jen, have a question for you guys. Check the elephant's mouth during the matinee.

[15:42] Dana Craig: Anyway, lesbians are fun.

[15:44] Martha Donaldson)): Um page.

[15:45] Dana Craig: Yes.

[15:46] Martha Donaldson)): A hoot.

[15:47] Dana Craig: A hoot.

[15:48] Sharon Wheatley: Where do we start?

[15:49] Dana Craig: I don't know.

[15:50] Martha Donaldson)): Where do you begin?

[15:51] Dana Craig: Well, we didn't ask Martha her first impressions of us.

[15:55] Sharon Wheatley: Well she said we said that you were cool and awesome.

[15:58] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, we came as a package.

[16:01] Dana Craig: We were a package first.

[16:04] Sharon Wheatley: Great.

[16:04] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, she's full of shit.

[16:10] Dana Craig: Are you a show queen?

[16:12] Martha Donaldson)): Yes.

[16:12] Sharon Wheatley: Oh she's a show queen.

[16:13] Dana Craig: Like a like a musical?

[16:14] Martha Donaldson)): Or a pizza?

[16:15] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, like I have like that gay man chip of like the musical theater chip.

[16:20] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[16:21] Sharon Wheatley: Like definitely.

[16:22] Martha Donaldson)): Woo!

[16:24] Sharon Wheatley: She's gonna sing more musical theater songs in the car than I am.

[16:28] Martha Donaldson)): For sure.

[16:30] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[16:30] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, like.

[16:31] Sharon Wheatley: Well, her mom was a choir, like a music children.

[16:34] Martha Donaldson)): She was a yeah, music teacher, children's vocal music teacher.

[16:38] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[16:39] Martha Donaldson)): But children's vocal teacher.

[16:41] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, she taught vocal music.

[16:44] Martha Donaldson)): K through eight.

[16:45] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[16:46] Martha Donaldson)): For over 30 years.

[16:47] Sharon Wheatley: You're molding young um voices.

[16:50] Martha Donaldson)): At that point.

[16:51] Sharon Wheatley: And my mom taught all the classics. Like, you know, you're a grand old flag, you're a high flying.

[16:57] Martha Donaldson)): Like, you know, Yankee Doodle Dandy and Marnie Google with the goo boot and the biggest.

[17:01] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, this is a good idea.

[17:03] Martha Donaldson)): She really taught all the oldies.

[17:04] Sharon Wheatley: All the best.

[17:05] Martha Donaldson)): 16.

[17:05] Sharon Wheatley: Martha's also got the old school chip, I will say.

[17:10] Sharon Wheatley: Also enjoys like Mary's does, you know.

[17:12] Martha Donaldson)): Okay.

[17:12] Martha Donaldson)): All the well, no, I mean I don't mean best, but like uh like a Spike Jones.

[17:18] Sharon Wheatley: You're like a Herb Albert.

[17:21] Martha Donaldson)): You like uh What's his name?

[17:23] Sharon Wheatley: I can't think of the guy.

[17:23] Martha Donaldson)): Not Spike Jones, uh Sherry Bellafontein, Harry Bellafonte.

[17:33] Sharon Wheatley: Harry Belafonte, but there was a comedian who didn't.

[17:42] Martha Donaldson)): They're like, come and wanna go home.

[17:46] Sharon Wheatley: Hi did deadly black the lunch!

[17:48] Martha Donaldson)): They're like gum.

[17:49] Sharon Wheatley: Did I tell you?

[17:51] Martha Donaldson)): Copyright.

[17:52] Sharon Wheatley: Copyright.

[17:53] Martha Donaldson)): These are my people.

[17:54] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[17:55] Martha Donaldson)): No, oh Sharon, I'm happy.

[17:58] Sharon Wheatley: Right?

[17:58] Martha Donaldson)): I got it.

[17:59] Sharon Wheatley: As Sharon would say, I'm no dum-dum.

[18:02] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[18:02] Sharon Wheatley: That's right.

[18:03] Martha Donaldson)): Dum-dum.

[18:04] Sharon Wheatley: That's great.

[18:04] Martha Donaldson)): That's right.

[18:05] Sharon Wheatley: What's your favorite flavor, dum-dum?

[18:07] Martha Donaldson)): Pineapple.

[18:09] Sharon Wheatley: No question.

[18:10] Martha Donaldson)): Doesn't even like stain your tongue.

[18:12] Sharon Wheatley: I'm gonna go with the mystery dum-dum.

[18:14] Martha Donaldson)): Ooh.

[18:15] Sharon Wheatley: You like a surprise.

[18:16] Martha Donaldson)): I do.

[18:16] Sharon Wheatley: Living on the edge.

[18:18] Martha Donaldson)): I don't like dum-dums.

[18:20] Sharon Wheatley: Wow.

[18:22] Martha Donaldson)): This is a very specific place.

[18:26] Sharon Wheatley: They were trying to get it.

[18:28] Martha Donaldson)): Like a shit.

[18:28] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, I was gonna say a torso.

[18:32] Martha Donaldson)): Just the torso.

[18:33] Sharon Wheatley: And the hat came off, which included most of the hair.

[18:36] Martha Donaldson)): Did that turn you gay?

[18:38] Sharon Wheatley: And you would reach inside and grab a dum-dum from Peter Pan's head.

[18:43] Martha Donaldson)): Amazing.

[18:43] Sharon Wheatley: And my favorite was the cream soda because old man.

[18:48] Martha Donaldson)): Do you remember those suckers that had like it was like a loop?

[18:51] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, yeah.

[18:53] Martha Donaldson)): And you would hold on your fingers?

[18:53] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, yeah.

[18:54] Martha Donaldson)): And it was just a circle.

[18:55] Sharon Wheatley: Do you know what it's called?

[18:56] Sharon Wheatley: Wrong.

[19:05] Martha Donaldson)): Poor man's ring pop.

[19:05] Martha Donaldson)): Safety pop.

[19:05] Sharon Wheatley: No!

[19:05] Martha Donaldson)): Safety pop.

[19:05] Martha Donaldson)): Because then you can't swallow this, the uh stick.

[19:05] Sharon Wheatley: What's so safe about it?

[19:05] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[19:05] Martha Donaldson)): Poor man's ring pop.

[19:08] Sharon Wheatley: But you know what we're talking about.

[19:10] Martha Donaldson)): No.

[19:11] Sharon Wheatley: That was my dentist.

[19:12] Martha Donaldson)): Correct.

[19:13] Sharon Wheatley: Correct terminology of that is safety pop.

[19:16] Martha Donaldson)): Safety pop for a thousand.

[19:18] Sharon Wheatley: Sponsoring deal.

[19:19] Martha Donaldson)): Yes.

[19:19] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, are we gonna do like a Barry Manilow um commercial segment?

[19:24] Martha Donaldson)): Maybe.

[19:25] Sharon Wheatley: I don't know.

[19:26] Martha Donaldson)): I don't know what's gonna happen.

[19:27] Sharon Wheatley: I don't know.

[19:27] Martha Donaldson)): We don't know either.

[19:29] Sharon Wheatley: I know.

[19:30] Martha Donaldson)): What do my notes say?

[19:31] Sharon Wheatley: If I were to open a gay bar, I'd call it Safety Pop.

[19:33] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, there it is.

[19:34] Sharon Wheatley: That's a good name.

[19:35] Martha Donaldson)): That is a good name.

[19:36] Sharon Wheatley: Um Steven Skybell was in one of the first plays I ever did in New York.

[19:39] Martha Donaldson)): Who?

[19:40] Sharon Wheatley: Did you say Steven Skybell?

[19:41] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[19:41] Sharon Wheatley: He was Tevye then.

[19:42] Martha Donaldson)): I know.

[19:42] Sharon Wheatley: She went straight for him.

[19:43] Martha Donaldson)): I know.

[19:44] Sharon Wheatley: He's amazing.

[19:45] Martha Donaldson)): Is a grounded motherfucker.

[19:47] Sharon Wheatley: He's a terrific.

[19:48] Martha Donaldson)): He's really good.

[19:49] Sharon Wheatley: You gotta go see him.

[19:50] Martha Donaldson)): I gotta go.

[19:51] Sharon Wheatley: You gotta go.

[19:52] Martha Donaldson)): Is he Tevye?

[19:53] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[19:54] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, you were a which he's a rich man.

[19:56] Sharon Wheatley: Jackie Hoffley is a Yenta.

[19:58] Martha Donaldson)): Oh yeah.

[19:59] Sharon Wheatley: Oh right.

[20:00] Martha Donaldson)): God, I played Yenta once.

[20:01] Sharon Wheatley: I was so bad.

[20:02] Martha Donaldson)): I'm a Golda.

[20:03] Sharon Wheatley: I am not a Yenta.

[20:05] Martha Donaldson)): They were like, you know, come in and then do the bits.

[20:07] Sharon Wheatley: I was like, I don't do bits.

[20:09] Martha Donaldson)): I don't do the bits.

[20:11] Sharon Wheatley: But I come in.

[20:12] Martha Donaldson)): I could be Golda.

[20:13] Sharon Wheatley: Like I could yell at Tevye.

[20:15] Martha Donaldson)): And I could be upset by Tevye.

[20:17] Sharon Wheatley: And I could have my feelings hurt by Tevye, but I'm not gonna come in and do a bit.

[20:20] Martha Donaldson)): No, it's a problem.

[20:21] Sharon Wheatley: You're funny.

[20:22] Martha Donaldson)): I'm not that kind of funny.

[20:23] Sharon Wheatley: But you're not that kind of funny.

[20:25] Martha Donaldson)): I'm not like, you know, oh, I'm gonna pick up this glass and then I'm gonna drink funny.

[20:29] Sharon Wheatley: I'm not that funny.

[20:31] Martha Donaldson)): I'm not that kind of funny.

[20:32] Sharon Wheatley: Sure.

[20:32] Martha Donaldson)): Okay.

[20:34] Sharon Wheatley: Dolly.

[20:35] Martha Donaldson)): No, I that scene is like my worst nightmare that you have to come up with like funny ways to eat.

[20:40] Sharon Wheatley: To eat a chicken?

[20:41] Martha Donaldson)): Sharon Wheatley.

[20:42] Sharon Wheatley: I know.

[20:42] Martha Donaldson)): Come on.

[20:43] Sharon Wheatley: I'm a little similar though.

[20:45] Martha Donaldson)): I'm really funny, but I am not Sean Hayes.

[20:45] Sharon Wheatley: I am not.

[20:51] Martha Donaldson)): People think I'm a jack of the will.

[20:53] Sharon Wheatley: I'm a Grace.

[20:54] Martha Donaldson)): You're a Grace.

[20:55] Sharon Wheatley: You're not even a will.

[20:56] Martha Donaldson)): I'm a Grace with a strong baritone.

[20:59] Sharon Wheatley: That's right.

[20:59] Martha Donaldson)): So it's a rough one.

[21:00] Sharon Wheatley: It's a rough a rough barrel to draw from.

[21:04] Martha Donaldson)): See, and I think I'm a will.

[21:05] Sharon Wheatley: You think you're a will.

[21:07] Martha Donaldson)): I'm a will.

[21:08] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[21:09] Martha Donaldson)): That's what I would say.

[21:11] Sharon Wheatley: And people would think you're a Grace.

[21:13] Martha Donaldson)): Or do I just think that because your hair is red right now?

[21:15] Sharon Wheatley: They would maybe think I'm a Grace.

[21:17] Martha Donaldson)): Maybe they would think I'm a I don't know.

[21:20] Sharon Wheatley: But physical humor is not my bag.

[21:22] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, no.

[21:23] Sharon Wheatley: I mean, I can do it if I have to do it, but I don't want to do it.

[21:26] Martha Donaldson)): My strong suit, do you know?

[21:28] Sharon Wheatley: Sure.

[21:28] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[21:29] Sharon Wheatley: Dress has always been my strongest suit.

[21:32] Martha Donaldson)): Wow.

[21:34] Sharon Wheatley: Wow.

[21:35] Martha Donaldson)): That was for you, Martha.

[21:36] Sharon Wheatley: Man, that's awesome.

[21:38] Martha Donaldson)): That was terrific.

[21:39] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, the Rolodex's D.

[21:43] Dana Craig: Let's talk about your lives.

[21:45] Martha Donaldson)): Okay.

[21:45] Dana Craig: Can you say that again?

[21:47] Martha Donaldson)): Anywhere near the mic?

[21:48] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, believe me, that picked it up.

[21:50] Dana Craig: Okay.

[21:51] Martha Donaldson)): We're talking about our lives.

[21:53] Sharon Wheatley: Oh Lord.

[21:54] Dana Craig: I'll get it for you, Stu, please.

[21:56] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, um.

[21:57] Sharon Wheatley: I don't know.

[21:58] Martha Donaldson)): I'll get it.

[21:58] Sharon Wheatley: I'm the one that's on the show.

[21:59] Martha Donaldson)): How did you guys meet?

[22:01] Sharon Wheatley: We met doing Come From Away at the La Jolla Playhouse, but I had been told about Martha prior to her.

[22:07] Martha Donaldson)): Or told.

[22:09] Sharon Wheatley: No, told.

[22:10] Martha Donaldson)): Everybody was like, oh my God. Like Emily Skinner is a good friend of mine, and she was like, oh my God, your PSM is Martha Donaldson). She's awesome.

[22:17] Sharon Wheatley: And another friend of mine, also who had done Next to Normal with Martha was like, oh my god, she's awesome.

[22:18] Martha Donaldson)): She's awesome.

[22:24] Sharon Wheatley: And so I was like, whatever, stage manager.

[22:28] Martha Donaldson)): Do you know what I mean?

[22:29] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[22:30] Martha Donaldson)): I was like, sure, great.

[22:31] Sharon Wheatley: And then I met her and I was like, we have people in common.

[22:34] Martha Donaldson)): And she was like, great.

[22:35] Sharon Wheatley: And then that was kind of it.

[22:38] Martha Donaldson)): No, we were not on each other's radars at all.

[22:40] Sharon Wheatley: Not at all.

[22:41] Martha Donaldson)): Stage managing, and Sharon was like a a local hire.

[22:45] Sharon Wheatley: A local hire in San Diego.

[22:47] Martha Donaldson)): I didn't I didn't handed her resume to San Diego.

[22:53] Sharon Wheatley: I had me was the biggest.

[22:53] Martha Donaldson)): I was a local to San Diego hire.

[22:55] Sharon Wheatley: I had moved to San Diego for a few years.

[22:58] Martha Donaldson)): From New York.

[22:59] Sharon Wheatley: From New York, yes.

[23:00] Martha Donaldson)): I had quit the business.

[23:01] Sharon Wheatley: Over it, going to San Diego, giving a street taco and some sunshine.

[23:05] Martha Donaldson)): Yep.

[23:06] Sharon Wheatley: And then they were like, we need my ex-husband had gotten a job there.

[23:09] Martha Donaldson)): So we went out to do that, and then I was gonna try and live in a house.

[23:09] Sharon Wheatley: And live in a house, and suburban change it up and try writing.

[23:19] Martha Donaldson)): So I was writing while I was out there, and then Rachel Hoffman from Chelsea called and said, What are you doing?

[23:23] Sharon Wheatley: And I ended up auditioning for Come From Away, and I got in, and that's where I met Martha.

[23:27] Martha Donaldson)): But Martha really was like the scary gay stage manager who I just was trying to avoid because I had to go to the bathroom before the break, you know, when the break was already over.

[23:37] Sharon Wheatley: Do you know what I mean?

[23:37] Martha Donaldson)): Like your normal actor, stage manager relationship.

[23:42] Dana Craig: Yes.

[23:42] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[23:43] Martha Donaldson)): She'd be like it was always like everyone's back from the break.

[23:46] Sharon Wheatley: Everyone, where's Sharon?

[23:47] Martha Donaldson)): Where's Sharon?

[23:49] Sharon Wheatley: And I'd be like, I'm sorry.

[23:52] Martha Donaldson)): It's 122.

[23:53] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, exactly.

[23:54] Martha Donaldson)): Exactly.

[23:55] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[23:55] Martha Donaldson)): Break into two minutes ago.

[23:58] Sharon Wheatley: I don't know, but I was like, ten minutes isn't long enough for this show.

[24:01] Martha Donaldson)): And she'd be like, it was 15.

[24:03] Sharon Wheatley: Like we took long breaks.

[24:05] Martha Donaldson)): But anyway.

[24:06] Sharon Wheatley: That's because I'm Lucy Goosey with the brakes.

[24:08] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[24:08] Sharon Wheatley: I'm Lucy Goosey with the brakes.

[24:10] Martha Donaldson)): I don't know.

[24:10] Sharon Wheatley: And then and then I cared.

[24:12] Martha Donaldson)): So all there is to it's a casual.

[24:14] Sharon Wheatley: That's what this episode is called.

[24:15] Martha Donaldson)): That's exactly what it's called.

[24:16] Sharon Wheatley: Lucy Goosey with the brakes.

[24:20] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, it's a good thing.

[24:21] Sharon Wheatley: Unless we find trails better.

[24:23] Martha Donaldson)): Especially Loy.

[24:24] Sharon Wheatley: It's so beautiful.

[24:25] Martha Donaldson)): So you're just like outside, just being like, oh, so nice out here.

[24:29] Sharon Wheatley: Oh my god, the brakes over already.

[24:32] Martha Donaldson)): Right.

[24:32] Sharon Wheatley: So yeah.

[24:33] Martha Donaldson)): So yeah, we went, we met in La Jolla.

[24:35] Sharon Wheatley: I I had gone out there to do the show, and uh yeah, and it was certainly not anything that we were planning on.

[24:41] Martha Donaldson)): And yes, nothing uh really developed until much later in the Probably smart.

[24:47] Sharon Wheatley: Much more big new in the process.

[24:50] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[24:51] Sharon Wheatley: Right towards the very end, in fact.

[24:52] Martha Donaldson)): So anyway.

[24:53] Sharon Wheatley: Anyway, yeah.

[24:56] Martha Donaldson)): That was it.

[24:57] Sharon Wheatley: That was a big deal.

[24:58] Martha Donaldson)): And then Come From Away just took off and brought you back to the show.

[25:01] Sharon Wheatley: And Martha didn't go with Come From Away.

[25:04] Martha Donaldson)): I didn't stay.

[25:04] Sharon Wheatley: No, I was going, I had every intention of staying with Come From Away, and then quite out of a clear blue sky, um, Evo Van Hove.

[25:14] Martha Donaldson)): Ah, who is who I just heard is directing another West Side Story.

[25:19] Sharon Wheatley: Apparently there's a West Side Story happening.

[25:21] Martha Donaldson)): I haven't read the story yet, but but he um I had worked with Evo at New York Theater Workshop in his very first American productions, and and he and I had forged a great working relationship.

[25:33] Sharon Wheatley: Uh really after like really a bad, like a bad first experience for everybody with him when he first came to America.

[25:39] Martha Donaldson)): We all had a hard time, but then uh through that came a really great, like loyal, awesome.

[25:44] Sharon Wheatley: So anyway, you know, Crucible.

[25:46] Martha Donaldson)): So Crucible came, and then uh they had tapped me to do Crucible, which wasn't until the spring, so I was like, this is great, I can do Come From Away, I go to Seattle, it'll be great.

[25:55] Sharon Wheatley: And then View from the Bridge came in, and then I and then I took View from the Bridge and went and did that on Broadway instead of going to Seattle with Come From Away.

[26:03] Martha Donaldson)): And then there were a lot of personal life things that happened that prevented me from joining Come From Away later when it went to DC.

[26:10] Sharon Wheatley: And so then I just let go of Come From Away.

[26:12] Martha Donaldson)): I got the girl.

[26:13] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, yeah.

[26:14] Martha Donaldson)): You got what you needed out of that show?

[26:16] Sharon Wheatley: Exactly.

[26:17] Martha Donaldson)): And then I got to do a couple of great shows with Evo on Broadway, and that was amazing.

[26:20] Sharon Wheatley: Come From Away.

[26:22] Martha Donaldson)): You go first.

[26:25] Sharon Wheatley: I have a pen.

[26:25] Martha Donaldson)): I can write down.

[26:26] Sharon Wheatley: I was gonna say Come From Away took a very non-traditional road to Broadway.

[26:31] Martha Donaldson)): It did a lot of out of town stuff.

[26:34] Sharon Wheatley: Was it San Diego first, then Seattle, then DC, then New York.

[26:39] Martha Donaldson)): Then Toronto, then Toronto.

[26:40] Sharon Wheatley: I forgot about Toronto.

[26:41] Martha Donaldson)): Good God Lemon.

[26:43] Sharon Wheatley: I know, right?

[26:44] Martha Donaldson)): Well there it is.

[26:46] Sharon Wheatley: So I'm like, why is it saying lemon?

[26:49] Martha Donaldson)): Is that from 30 Raps?

[26:50] Sharon Wheatley: It is.

[26:51] Martha Donaldson)): Hey!

[26:53] Sharon Wheatley: Well done.

[26:54] Martha Donaldson)): Um yeah, they well, you can imagine the show.

[26:59] Sharon Wheatley: People sort of say, oh wait, it's a 9-11 musical.

[27:02] Martha Donaldson)): So I think that the producers really were wise to take it out of town.

[27:06] Sharon Wheatley: By the time we got into town, I think they said that 250,000 people had already seen Come From Away in all of its out of town.

[27:14] Martha Donaldson)): So it was able to generate all of this buzz and clarification of what the show was about.

[27:19] Sharon Wheatley: That's right. The branding has been pretty spectacular, and a lot of it's word of mouth, which is even better.

[27:25] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah. And a lot of people come back again and again.

[27:28] Sharon Wheatley: I have to own up to the fact that I haven't seen it yet. And I hate that I haven't seen it yet. I really do see it.

[27:33] Martha Donaldson)): Get out of here.

[27:34] Sharon Wheatley: Oh no, I'm uninvited. It's right down the street. You can see it any time. We're there eight shows a week. Don't worry about it. I've seen it. It also has some deals.

[27:43] Martha Donaldson)): I think it has to be a little bit more.

[27:44] Sharon Wheatley: David, thank you for coming. I'm going to now exclusively speak to you. She's in the room with Dana. I'm in the room with Martha. You're Kava, you're dead now. We're gonna go record our own podcast and just single.

[27:56] Martha Donaldson)): I didn't understand it because you slipped into Yiddish for just a minute. That's a lot of spitting. Don't sit in the first two rows if you go see the fiddler.

[28:03] Sharon Wheatley: Oh yeah. All Yiddish.

[28:05] Martha Donaldson)): Do you know what?

[28:06] Sharon Wheatley: What?

[28:07] Martha Donaldson)): It's a fact. I saw it. I was in the second row.

[28:09] Sharon Wheatley: You'll enjoy your house. Jesus.

[28:11] Martha Donaldson)): Oh yeah, thank you, Steven. You will sit in your spit on and you won't like it.

[28:18] Sharon Wheatley: I liked it. Spit on me all you want.

[28:25] Martha Donaldson)): Do you stay with the show for as long as you want? What's your contract like? Do you just hop around? Are you freelance? Are you stab like what's talk stage manager?

[28:35] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, I'm freelance. Um can you just be like, I'm done now. Moving on to I'm totally freelance, so I do show to show to show to show. Just like an actor. I'm basically the same as an actor.

[28:49] Martha Donaldson)): I get hired at the beginning of the I'm not the same, but you are the same union, so I would imagine the same a lot of the same.

[28:56] Sharon Wheatley: So you get hired at the beginning, and then you do it from the beginning, and you do it all the way through, and then you you do all the rehearsals, and then you do all of the tech rehearsals, and then you do all of the run of show, and you do it until it ends. You do until it ends.

[29:10] Martha Donaldson)): That's right. Or if you get something uh like you know, different or more lucrative, or something you'd rather do, you can leave and go do something else. But I tend I actually bizarrely have done that a number of times, but I always do it right at the end. Like I'll miss the last two weeks or the last week, or they'll be like, we're extending for two weeks, and I'm like, I can't do the extension. It's like me and a can of diet coke. Like I never fully finish it. I always leave just a swig.

[29:39] Sharon Wheatley: You know why you do that?

[29:40] Martha Donaldson)): Why?

[29:40] Sharon Wheatley: Because you're holding the can and it gets too hot by the time it's down there. If you put that shit on a coaster and only pick it up when you need it, that shit's called to the last drop. But yeah, just just show to show, and then and then and then, yeah, the show what the show will end, another show will come. It's just uh bizarre how how how well it dovetails.

[30:00] Martha Donaldson)): You seem very emotional about closings and ends of shows and that journey.

[30:06] Sharon Wheatley: Usually it's like, when are we closing? Oh my god. Um dipping out at the bows. Yeah, all right. Peace out. Um, I mean, you know, it's it's I don't ever feel really sad when a show closes. Definitely not. Because usually I'm ready for it to close, or or I'm very lucky in my career. I usually have something else coming up, knock wood. Um, or yeah, or something else going on or whatever. So I've just been super lucky, you know.

[30:35] Martha Donaldson)): Do you have a camaraderie with not the cast? As the cast, I assume has a very specific working relationship. Do you have that with well?

[30:49] Sharon Wheatley: I'm gonna say that Martha in particular, of all the stage managers that I've worked with, is has been proclaimed the most gregarious stage manager.

[30:59] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, the most gregarious stage manager I ever met.

[31:04] Sharon Wheatley: As coined by showing. She is, but she's very affectionate and sweet with the cast, and she's definitely an actor's stage manager.

[31:13] Martha Donaldson)): Actors, stage manager, and that's not normal.

[31:16] Sharon Wheatley: No, that is not normal. Usually most often you have a producer's stage manager. You know, that the producer is obviously the one who's got all the money and has all the power and whatever, and so you have stage managers who are really afraid to stand up for the actors or to uh check on anything, or afraid to take a break because they're they don't want to upset the director or whatever, and Martha's really very actor friendly and very actor protective. So I'll say that having worked with her is that's that's an important but I also think that that's probably why you work with stars so often.

[31:52] Martha Donaldson)): Do you think that I also think you're not phased by stars at all?

[31:58] Sharon Wheatley: Um I've just kind of fallen into the star thing, you know. It's just like Broadway is populated with stars, and if you're gonna do plays on Broadway, you tend to be with stars lately, mostly plays, right? Like primarily plays. And I have been very fortunate also to work with um, you know, I've known Scott Rudin a really long time. Um I used to do a lot of plays off Broadway, and I really was an off Broadway stage manager for many years. And Scott did a lot of like you know, enhancing of off-Broadway productions. This is before, in the years before it really became like an off-Broadway to Broadway machine the way it is now. Um but anyway, so I had a a tiny relationship with Scott, and then uh, and then and then my first Broadway show was also a Scott Rudin show, which was The Year of Magical Thinking with Vanessa Redgrave, and I you know, whatever.

I've already had had a fond relationship with him, and he um, and so when the Evo thing kind of came along, I mean there have been other Broadway shows before that, but but the Evo uh connection with Scott Rudin that really got got into like a big star moment there, and then I did the Glass Manager with Sally Field.

[33:11] Martha Donaldson)): But you know, but the plays are just you loved it.

[33:15] Sharon Wheatley: I'm glad to hear that.

[33:16] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, yeah. I mean, I got mixed.

[33:18] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, but I I was one of the people who was gagged by it.

[33:21] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, right. Right on.

[33:23] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, yeah. It was quite a production. Um, and then this fall I'm gonna do the lifespan of a fact with Deanna Radcliffe. My Bobby Kinnaboli friend is a very good one. Sherry Jones, don't forget the lady.

[33:36] Martha Donaldson)): Sharon Jones is can't wait.

[33:39] Sharon Wheatley: Really?

[33:40] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[33:41] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, and was she okay? Transparent.

[33:43] Martha Donaldson)): That's where that came in. I was gonna say, was it transparent?

[33:46] Sharon Wheatley: I mean, I wonder what she could have been for. She hasn't, she was in transparency.

[33:49] Martha Donaldson)): I don't know. I haven't watched Transparency.

[33:50] Sharon Wheatley: That's a while ago transparency. Let's just go with it. Anyway, great. Congratulations, Cherry Jones.

[33:55] Martha Donaldson)): Yay, Cherry Jones, we love you.

[33:57] Sharon Wheatley: I mean, I'm not my friend. Deanna Twain is one of your producers. She taught me sign language 11 years ago.

[34:05] Martha Donaldson)): Wow. Well, that's good to know. I'm sure I'll meet her along the lines.

[34:10] Sharon Wheatley: Oh yeah. Don't forget.

[34:13] Martha Donaldson)): Okay, good. Yeah. I I have um something to bring up with you a little later.

[34:20] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, really? That that I think is gonna be really fun.

[34:23] Martha Donaldson)): Fine.

[34:23] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, it's exciting. Sharon.

[34:26] Dana Craig: Yes, Dana. What's your favorite show you've been in?

[34:31] Sharon Wheatley: Come From Away. I mean, that's an easy answer for me.

[34:35] Dana Craig: Is it?

[34:36] Sharon Wheatley: It is an easy answer for me because I had not created a role before. You know, I've really done a lot of replacing people and going into shows that I really love, but I hadn't had a role that was um that was mine from the beginning. And there really is, you know, it's awesome. Like I just met, I know the person who's playing the my role on tour, and it was just kind of cool. Like it's just funny. Like she said to me, she said, I have listened to you so many times. And I thought that's so um surreal and awesome. But and so that's just on a personal note. It was incredibly fun to get to create a role for the first time.

[35:19] Dana Craig: Remember when I told you that I had never created a role?

[35:22] Sharon Wheatley: I was astonished.

[35:23] Dana Craig: Yeah, Marcus was really a credit done so many new players, Phantom and Avenue Q.

[35:29] Sharon Wheatley: And Lane Miss.

[35:31] Dana Craig: Yeah. Yep, yep.

[35:32] Sharon Wheatley: She's done all three of them.

[35:33] Dana Craig: Right, Kat's Lane's Phantom, Avenue Q, and then Coverway. Those are my five.

[35:37] Sharon Wheatley: I have a question for you.

[35:39] Dana Craig: What is it?

[35:40] Sharon Wheatley: Her IBDB, where I do some of my best stocking.

[35:45] Dana Craig: You were also a stage manager on Avenue Q.

[35:48] Sharon Wheatley: I was a stage manager on Avenue Q. I was the second ASM several times. Uh often, um, although they shouldn't, probably. Equity uh Martha can speak to that. Uh Equity allows small shows like Avenue Q, which no one thought was gonna be a hit, to have a second ASM who was also a standby. And so I was for um about 15 minutes. I was the second ASM, and I was the dance captain, and I was the standby at Avenue Q. And that job had been held by uh a woman named Amy Garcia pri uh prior to I know Amy Garcia. I love Amy Garcia. I could lick her. I love her so much, I can't even take it. I can't look at her and that's my I know she's the greatest human. I don't know her well, it sounds like we're best friends. We're not, but every time I have seen her, yeah, she's who I replaced in Avenue Q. And so anyway, so yeah, I was like the deck stage manager. I wore a headset, and I had to be like clear, and you know, I did you hate it or love it? Or cake did it.

[37:00] Martha Donaldson)): Stage managers have to be at work.

[37:02] Sharon Wheatley: I have to be at work at 7:30. They have to be working 6:30. And I was like, for what? What are we doing for an hour?

[37:08] Martha Donaldson)): Stage manager stuff.

[37:09] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, stage manager stuff. Managing the stage. They'd be like, can you take this piece of paper down to electrics? And I was like, no. Where's electric? So I was like, I just text it to the dude in electric. Yeah, I was like, who is in electrics? And they were like, go down to the basement. Basement. Take this piece of paper and go down the stairs. Why do they care? They were like, just do it. Anyway, so I wasn't.

[37:34] Martha Donaldson)): Follow the arrows.

[37:36] Sharon Wheatley: I wasn't. Oh my god. Yeah, you would have really well liked me. Like you thought me as a local hire was bad. Yeah, but you're like, I can't do this. I have to warm up in case I have to go on hit intermission.

[37:47] Martha Donaldson)): Totally. And of course, my first question was like, okay, so wait, so does this mean that I will go on less? Because then you're gonna have to like bring in a stage manager to replace me. And they were like, no, but yes.

[37:58] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah. Oh but you know what I was really good at is that every time there was a birthday job that you did. I was in charge of picking up the cake and then cutting the cake and then washing the knives. I was really good at that. This is a very important secondary assignment.

[38:17] Martha Donaldson)): That's something Golda would do. Like Yanta's not doing that. Yanta's not gonna do that.

[38:21] Sharon Wheatley: No, nope. Exactly. She's gonna be like, happy birthday. Lost your own knife. It's good for you.

[38:27] Martha Donaldson)): Right, exactly. So there you go. That's what I did. And then I quit. I didn't quit the acting part, but I was I Beatrix was brand new. Yeah. So I mean, literally like two months old. Brand new.

[38:39] Sharon Wheatley: She was.

[38:39] Martha Donaldson)): She was a new model.

[38:41] Sharon Wheatley: So you have authored a book.

[38:44] Martha Donaldson)): I have authored a book called Till the Fat Girl Sings.

[38:47] Sharon Wheatley: So then Girl Sings in a phone. So you can buy it anywhere you buy books. It's probably Amazon.

[38:51] Martha Donaldson)): Yep. Definitely Amazon.

[38:54] Sharon Wheatley: I bought a copy on Amazon.

[38:57] Martha Donaldson)): I probably bought it before Amazon.

[38:58] Sharon Wheatley: I'm gonna go buy a copy on Penny Puller's Amazon show. Absolutely should. Um is there another book in the works?

[39:05] Sharon Wheatley: I think that probably more likely, you know, I really enjoy writing scripts. So that's a good thing. But just yes, I would love to write another book. Of course, I would love to write another book because in the past few years I have had a lot happen. Both of my parents have died. I got divorced, I I got remarried, I married a woman, which was new, and I'm in a hit Broadway show. So I've had a true roller coaster of you name it, it's happened. So um and the focus of the first book was was body image and body size. Yeah, growing up in Broadway. I mean Broadway dreams. Yeah, it was it was they wanted me to write a book that was about growing up overweight with glamorous dreams, you know, with wanting this glamorous career.

And I said to them when they asked me to write it, I said that's fine, but you should know I'm a size 14. So the deal is that it it's not gonna be like, oh, and I grew up and I got skinny, and then I was on Broadway, and and now everything's happy. I said, you know, that it it just is gonna be about what I've been through and what I've learned, and so that's what it was, and it ended up being about so much more than what I thought it was gonna be about. Because it really just became about my body, how I felt about my body, what people said about my body, what happened to my body, all that kind of stuff. So it really became a uh bigger story than I had anticipated, but it's very dated in the sense that it ends when I was cast in Cats, which was in '99, if you can believe that. So it even though it was published in 2006, it really the the era that I sort of framed it in was that stuff. So anyway. Are you It's a great read, so you should absolutely pick it up.

[40:53] Sharon Wheatley: It is a great read.

[40:54] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[40:55] Sharon Wheatley: I agree wholeheartedly. Are you an actor that um also enjoys writing like a show for yourself, like a one-woman thing to do somewhere? Or are you more put me in a show and I'm either gonna be an actor or I'm gonna write this show for somebody else to do? Does that make sense?

[41:12] Martha Donaldson)): It does make sense. I've always thought I'm a better writer than I am an actor, so I have never wanted to write a show for myself because I didn't feel like I would have the acting chops to perform the way I as a writer would want it performed. Come From Away has helped me gain confidence in my acting abilities.

[41:35] Sharon Wheatley: When I say that I immediately want to turn to Martha and be like, right? I could see you not doing it.

[41:44] Martha Donaldson)): Okay.

[41:50] Sharon Wheatley: I'm working on it.

[41:54] Martha Donaldson)): Oh yeah.

[41:55] Sharon Wheatley: I could see your neck.

[41:59] Martha Donaldson)): I don't know. I mean, does there anything sound worse than like writing a show and then having to perform it?

[42:05] Sharon Wheatley: I don't think so. I think it just sounds awful.

[42:13] Martha Donaldson)): I love you so much. Because I mean, I'm sure a lot of people feel that way, but a lot of people don't.

[42:19] Sharon Wheatley: I know they put it up anyway.

[42:22] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah. I know. I remember when I was younger saying, well, people were like, you should do a cabaret show. And I was like, you can't do a cabaret show until you're—I mean, some acting teachers said this to me a long time ago, and they were like, you can't do a cabaret show when you're young. You don't have anything to talk about. And it hit me a few days ago that I was like, oh god, I'm old and I have things to talk about. But I still don't want to decorate a show. It just sounds so—it sounds like narcissism.

[42:45] Sharon Wheatley: It just really like I'm in the middle of revamping my website, and really it is just the most narcissistic thing I have ever done in my life. No, I've got a guy and he's up my ass and wants me to hit publish on it, and I just have not done it because it's just a whole lot of me. It's just like it's a good website. It'll be fine if I ever actually launch it.

[43:05] Martha Donaldson)): I don't know things about Sharon Wheatley.

[43:06] Sharon Wheatley: Oh my gosh, it's just real. It's so interesting. Cause I imagine when you're in a show, especially the drive to like sit down and write yourself a one-person show seems like so much extra work in my head.

[43:26] Martha Donaldson)): Like I'm working, and I know that while I'm working, it'll be easier to get people there than when I'm not in something.

[43:33] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah. But I'm also like, I'm doing what I love eight times a week. Why do I have to do this anything like that?

[43:38] Martha Donaldson)): Well, the other thing too is a one-woman show honestly just sounds lonely. I'm a collaborator, so I would much rather be in it with somebody else. I like to write with other people. I like to perform with other people. I do like direct address to the audience, and I do like um actually being myself on stage. I'm very comfortable doing all of that kind of stuff, like I did the other night at the Laurie Beachman.

[44:01] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[44:02] Martha Donaldson)): Right.

[44:04] Sharon Wheatley: She was up on the bar.

[44:06] Martha Donaldson)): I was at the Laurie Beachman.

[44:08] Sharon Wheatley: Broadway Sessions.

[44:09] Martha Donaldson)): Sessions.

[44:10] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah. Oh, with Ben Cameron.

[44:11] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah. She was true.

[44:12] Sharon Wheatley: He's the loveliest.

[44:14] Martha Donaldson)): He is the loveliest human. I had such a good time, and I really wanted to stab my eyes out with any sharp or blunt thing prior to doing it because I really felt like this is gonna be just the most hideous situation. But I did it.

[44:30] Sharon Wheatley: So that's kind of my next question. Are you somebody that you know a composer or somebody says, hey, we're doing this thing at 54 Below, can you sing one song? Is that your jam? Do you love doing that on your night off? Or are you like nobody asks me to do that?

[44:43] Martha Donaldson)): So I don't know. What if they—what if they had?

[44:46] Sharon Wheatley: If they did, I wouldn't do it. I would think that that would be funny.

[44:50] Martha Donaldson)): Martha might do it.

[44:51] Sharon Wheatley: Martha would 100% do it.

[44:54] Martha Donaldson)): So Martha's doing a one-woman show at 54 Below, and she really wants to sing it with you.

[45:00] Sharon Wheatley: I will never leave you. I'm not gonna do that. I'm definitely not gonna do it.

[45:03] Martha Donaldson)): It's called Broadway Cruise Sings at 54 Below.

[45:08] Sharon Wheatley: It's called Electrics Sings.

[45:10] Martha Donaldson)): Electrics sings. I don't know when this—when your podcast drops.

[45:14] Sharon Wheatley: Tuesday.

[45:15] Martha Donaldson)): I just thought I'd use the lingo. And that's it, right?

[45:19] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[45:19] Martha Donaldson)): It drops.

[45:21] Sharon Wheatley: Anyway, uh, but I am doing one sort of fun extracurricular activity, which I'll tell you about, which is on July 22nd and 23rd, which is Sunday night at 7:30 and Monday at 8 p.m. I am making a special guest appearance in Avenue Q.

[45:40] Martha Donaldson)): Yes, because the 15 years I was very honored to be asked. I might be doing special. Who knows? I'm not, I don't know that I'm allowed to say what portion of the show that I'm doing. But uh I'm super psyched about it. I have rehearsal tomorrow, so by psyched, I do also mean terrified. And maybe I did just make Martha run lines with just run lines.

[46:04] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, that's so good. Because I haven't done it in eight years, and so tomorrow I'm going in with the current cast. So it'll be like the regular Kate Monster who does the whole show until then I appear as Kate Monster, and then I'll come out and do a section of the show. And the audience will lose.

[46:20] Sharon Wheatley: Right. And so I guess what they're doing is the 15 shows up to their 50th anniversary. They're bringing original cast members and then featured alumni. So I fall in the featured alumni. I know. It's really sweet. If I weren't doing Hoverway, I would never be asked, so I'm very grateful to get to go do it. It's gonna be super fun.

[46:41] Martha Donaldson)): Sure.

[46:41] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah. Um, have you—when you during your time at Avenue Q, did your paths cross with Jen Bender?

[46:47] Martha Donaldson)): Yes, I just ran into her on the street last night where I also met the girl who plays Anastasia.

[46:52] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[46:53] Martha Donaldson)): She is the loveliest. I met her once in passing.

[46:55] Sharon Wheatley: Oh my gosh, she was so sweet. We hugged like three times.

[46:58] Martha Donaldson)): So nice. I gave her marriage advice, and it was just incredibly fun and kind. And she also went to CCM, where I also went.

[47:06] Sharon Wheatley: So we are nowhere near the CH. Jen Bender was our first guest on this podcast.

[47:12] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, is that right?

[47:16] Sharon Wheatley: Insert commercial.

[47:16] Martha Donaldson)): Insert commercial.

[47:19] Sharon Wheatley: Do you hear those bubbles, Steven?

[47:21] Steven Ferezy: Oh, I hear them.

[47:22] Sharon Wheatley: How sweet it is.

[47:25] Martha Donaldson)): Ah.

[47:26] Sharon Wheatley: So Chris. From the makers of White Girl Rosé and Babe Rosé comes the hilariously delicious Pink Party Rosé with bubbles. The misfits over at Swish Beverages, which includes Instagram comedian The Fat Jew, have made us all lose our shit over their newest rosé.

[47:45] Martha Donaldson)): Pink Party Rosé is sponsoring In the Room with Steven and Dana because, well, if there's not a two-drink minimum, are you really in a room?

[47:53] Sharon Wheatley: With notes of honeydew and cantaloupe. This very pink blend of Sauvignon Blanc and Zinfandel is actually pretty good. It is what I'm drinking all summer.

[48:02] Martha Donaldson)): It is a sparkling rosé, gives you all of those bubbles, and is so refreshing for an outdoor summer treat.

[48:09] Sharon Wheatley: Is it what I'm drinking right now, Steven?

[48:12] Steven Ferezy: Why?

[48:12] Sharon Wheatley: I can tell by its pink hue that it is.

[48:15] Martha Donaldson)): This bottle does not have a face for podcasting. It has a face for Instagram.

[48:20] Sharon Wheatley: So buy it, drink it, pose your face off with it, lip sync for your life with it, and tag it at We Brought Wine.

[48:29] Martha Donaldson)): That was like Rosé Bopet.

[48:31] Sharon Wheatley: I don't think it's asking too much. It's a very reasonable price point. It is delicious. It's a very large bottle. I feel like it's bigger than most rosé bottles.

[48:40] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, interesting.

[48:41] Sharon Wheatley: It is a girthy bottom.

[48:43] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, I said it. There is some quality literature on the label. They know their audience, and they are appealing to you every step of the way.

[48:51] Sharon Wheatley: Dana, when do you drink rosé?

[48:53] Dana Craig: All the time.

[48:54] Sharon Wheatley: I think you're supposed to say all day.

[48:58] Martha Donaldson)): Ask me again.

[48:59] Sharon Wheatley: Dana, when do you drink rosé?

[49:01] Dana Craig: All day!

[49:01] Sharon Wheatley: Make every gathering a soirée with Pink Party Rosé.

[49:06] Dana Craig: Cheers.

[49:07] Sharon Wheatley: Cheers. Pink party!

[49:10] Dana Craig: Party!

[49:11] Sharon Wheatley: Pink party!

[49:12] Dana Craig: With bubbles!

[49:13] Sharon Wheatley: A vec bouble.

[49:15] Dana Craig: It's a pink party, baby.

[49:18] Sharon Wheatley: I drink rosé all day, bitch.

[49:21] Dana Craig: Rosé all day.

[49:23] Sharon Wheatley: Rosé, then play.

[49:24] Dana Craig: Rosé and then I play.

[49:26] Sharon Wheatley: Hey! Bring me my rosé.

[49:29] Dana Craig: Rosé.

[49:32] Sharon Wheatley: Got chicken crying in the background.

[49:34] Dana Craig: Pink party.

[49:36] Sharon Wheatley: I wasn't guy until I had a sip of rosé high, and then everything changed.

[49:40] Dana Craig: Drunken?

[49:41] Sharon Wheatley: Drank.

[49:42] Dana Craig: Drunk?

[49:42] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, Rosé.

[49:45] Dana Craig: Me.

[49:48] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, my fried chicken is ready. Hold on.

[49:49] Dana Craig: You're never gonna make it in this town with a voice like that.

[49:54] Sharon Wheatley: Might as well drink up, honey.

[50:04] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[50:05] Sharon Wheatley: You can smoke on an airplane.

[50:07] Dana Craig: Yeah, I smoked in an airplane.

[50:08] Sharon Wheatley: Um what it's like to smoke on an airplane.

[50:10] Dana Craig: I did, I smoked in an airplane.

[50:12] Sharon Wheatley: You saved that until we were in an hour too.

[50:14] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[50:16] Sharon Wheatley: Was it an international flight?

[50:17] Dana Craig: It was.

[50:18] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[50:18] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[50:19] Sharon Wheatley: Because by the time I think that we were of age, it would probably have already been banned on domestic flights, maybe.

[50:26] Dana Craig: Yeah, it's not crazy like 14 hours without a cigarette. Smoking sections, you know, of anywhere. I mean, when I first moved to New York, it was like this every restaurant has smoking section, but it's just like you're in the non-smoking section, and those people right there at that table are in the smoking. Like it's just ridiculous. You're all in the air, and on an airplane to be like, these four rows in the back are for smokers. You know, you know. Like it's not gonna go to the people in the—I can't even imagine it now.

[50:56] Martha Donaldson)): I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, but if they said you can smoke on a plane again, oh I would just be like, I'm gonna smoke what she said.

[51:03] Sharon Wheatley: Yep, smoked on an airplane. Only time.

[51:07] Dana Craig: Has anyone ever had sex on a plane?

[51:08] Martha Donaldson)): I have not.

[51:09] Sharon Wheatley: No.

[51:10] Dana Craig: Have you?

[51:11] Martha Donaldson)): No.

[51:11] Sharon Wheatley: Whose podcast is this?

[51:13] Dana Craig: I'm sorry.

[51:14] Sharon Wheatley: No, I haven't.

[51:15] Martha Donaldson)): Me neither.

[51:17] Sharon Wheatley: I don't know if it's a good one.

[51:17] Martha Donaldson)): That might be it.

[51:18] Sharon Wheatley: I know it seems um I have like emotional. And you can all like do it like in the bathroom. I just tend to fly at 7 a.m., which means I've been up since 3 a.m. Don't I think that this is one of those like mythologies of like, oh, you gotta get in the Mile High Club. It sounds terrible, really. You want to get in the Mile High Club, have sex in Denver.

[51:39] Martha Donaldson)): There it is.

[51:39] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, a lot of it sounds like I've had sex like sex on the beach. Not cute.

[51:44] Martha Donaldson)): Oh god, there's an episode of Grey's Anatomy where Bailey goes on her honeymoon and they have sex on the beach, and then they don't have sex the rest of the honeymoon because she got sand in her poom.

[51:56] Sharon Wheatley: See, that's just dumb. Not worth it.

[51:59] Martha Donaldson)): I like that that was a storyline, though.

[52:01] Sharon Wheatley: We made out on the beach.

[52:03] Martha Donaldson)): Yes, that's the best thing that's happened to me on beach.

[52:09] Sharon Wheatley: This is definitely the best thing. The making out on the beach of me and Sharon was definitely like it was like nighttime, bonfire, like post-sunset.

[52:21] Martha Donaldson)): No, like 19 like low tide, we're like down at the water. It's like palm trees. But it's because it was like amazing.

[52:30] Sharon Wheatley: Yes?

[52:41] Martha Donaldson)): Do you remember?

[52:42] Sharon Wheatley: We did.

[52:42] Martha Donaldson)): Do you remember?

[52:44] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, I was there.

[52:45] Martha Donaldson)): I wasn't there.

[52:45] Sharon Wheatley: Was that me?

[52:47] Martha Donaldson)): Was that with you?

[52:47] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, yeah. I was, yeah.

[52:49] Martha Donaldson)): He was definitely with me.

[52:51] Sharon Wheatley: The dogs so well.

[52:53] Martha Donaldson)): We make a point to go do it now.

[52:55] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry, we were talking about making out. I went to the kids of the dogs, but they're not. They are behaving words.

[53:00] Martha Donaldson)): We opened with you.

[53:01] Sharon Wheatley: I don't even know where he is.

[53:02] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, that's a nice button.

[53:03] Sharon Wheatley: I don't even know where sport case.

[53:05] Martha Donaldson)): He's right sport because we're here.

[53:07] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, this is a fabulous shirt, by the way.

[53:09] Martha Donaldson)): Shang hat thank you.

[53:12] Sharon Wheatley: It's quite a pat.

[53:13] Martha Donaldson)): We had to have, but there was a bit of a um. There's a there's a wardrobe crisis in my closet, basically.

[53:21] Sharon Wheatley: Well no, we've had a wardrobe makeover.

[53:23] Martha Donaldson)): I enjoy how much of a non-dog person you are.

[53:26] Sharon Wheatley: I'm just I'm I don't know if I'm allergic to him yet or not.

[53:29] Martha Donaldson)): He's not like to talk about it.

[53:32] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, is he?

[53:38] Martha Donaldson)): He's a poodle schnauzer, yeah.

[53:39] Sharon Wheatley: I think they both are. They have hair, not fur.

[53:42] Martha Donaldson)): I have a cat and a Boston terrier.

[53:45] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, you do.

[53:46] Martha Donaldson)): It's allergy fast in your house.

[53:49] Sharon Wheatley: It's like they all know. They're just like he's like, I'll stay here with Steven. I mean, I'm fine. I don't need you. I'm just resting my palm.

[54:00] Martha Donaldson)): Just a rest, yeah, it really is.

[54:02] Sharon Wheatley: Um, are you dating anyone right now? What's happening?

[54:05] Martha Donaldson)): Are you dating first?

[54:07] Sharon Wheatley: I have a live-in boyfriend. He lived in Denver and moved here.

[54:11] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, how'd you meet him?

[54:13] Sharon Wheatley: This podcast.

[54:14] Martha Donaldson)): He's like, are you kidding me? We launched this podcast, and for whatever reason he was following me and sent a message. He was like, listen to the first episode, it was super cute. Can't wait for more. And you were like, I was like, who are you?

[54:30] Sharon Wheatley: Like, I'm not paying you to listen to this, so I don't know why you did.

[54:34] Martha Donaldson)): Like, what's your story?

[54:36] Sharon Wheatley: Like, um, so we started talking that way, and then Frozen did their out-of-town tryout in Denver.

[54:43] Martha Donaldson)): And he said, So I have these two tickets to Frozen. If you can get here, like tickets on me.

[54:51] Sharon Wheatley: I can get there because I said, listen, if you're awful, I'm gonna tell you this isn't great, and I'm gonna go stay with one of my friends in Frozen. I had an out. I would have never gone there blind. I didn't go there without knowing anyone. Um I said, perfect. If you're awful, I'll stay with somebody and deal with it.

[55:09] Martha Donaldson)): Right.

[55:10] Sharon Wheatley: Um, and we'll go see Frozen. It'll be fun. And he was not awful.

[55:14] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, that's good.

[55:15] Sharon Wheatley: And then he moved here.

[55:16] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, I went there a couple times. He came here. We met in the middle and went to Chicago in the middle of a snowstorm. Um, and he moved here in April.

[55:27] Dana Craig: Are you a singer? Are you a performer?

[55:30] Martha Donaldson)): Let's see how you have.

[55:31] Sharon Wheatley: I am I haven't. That's why I asked you about the 10th grade.

[55:35] Martha Donaldson)): Since the 10th grade.

[55:36] Sharon Wheatley: 10th grade. What was your swan song?

[55:40] Martha Donaldson)): I can't remember if it was carousel and music man, one or the other. I was in the chorus.

[55:45] Sharon Wheatley: I bet it was music man because I almost wanted to quit after doing music. After 10th grade, I switched to backstage stuff.

[55:55] Martha Donaldson)): And that hurrah.

[55:56] Sharon Wheatley: Right. What happens?

[55:58] Martha Donaldson)): That's why I asked you about the one woman show stuff. Because I, with no Broadway credits to my name, I'm finding that this is a great way for me to at least be doing something and not doing nothing.

[56:10] Sharon Wheatley: But I hate the writing part.

[56:12] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, interesting.

[56:13] Sharon Wheatley: Hate it because that's the part that feels very self-involved. I want to write about myself. I have no writing skills.

[56:20] Martha Donaldson)): Well, I don't think write it. You should voicemail it and voice memo it. And then and then go down it. Go back and write that out.

[56:28] Sharon Wheatley: Is gonna be a better way for you to go. It's gonna sound stilted. If you sit down on the computer, it's not gonna sound the way you talk.

[56:37] Martha Donaldson)): You need to just pick up your phone and be like, okay, now I'm gonna tell you the story about Aunt Phyllis, and then just tell the story and wherever it takes you, and then you can just write it out verbatim, and if you want to edit it, and then that's how you'll put it all together. But don't sit down at your computer and try to write it.

[56:55] Sharon Wheatley: It won't sound like you.

[56:56] Martha Donaldson)): Great. That's my thank you. Hot tip, hot tip, hot tip.

[57:01] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[57:01] Martha Donaldson)): So you're writing scripts.

[57:03] Sharon Wheatley: I am writing scripts. Well, right now I'm writing pitches, but uh, but yes, I definitely want to continue writing.

[57:12] Martha Donaldson)): I had to live my life for a little bit. I have a lot of new material.

[57:16] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, yeah, yeah.

[57:19] Martha Donaldson)): It's for another podcast.

[57:22] Sharon Wheatley: Never.

[57:23] Dana Craig: Do you like a long run or do you like to jump around?

[57:28] Martha Donaldson)): I like the safety and security of a long run if I like the show. Like comfortable way has really just been an enormous gift. Also, I really love everyone that I work with. And come on now, it's a hundred minutes long. I'm a dum-dum. Come on, yeah.

[57:44] Sharon Wheatley: And I have a great part, like you know, they're they're there it's it's good stuff. They treat us well. Um, the show's great. The you know, the creative team is terrific to us, the crowds are great.

[57:56] Martha Donaldson)): Great track, you have a really great track.

[57:57] Sharon Wheatley: Yep. You guys did a great gypsy of the year performance.

[58:03] Martha Donaldson)): I wrote it.

[58:03] Sharon Wheatley: No!

[58:04] Martha Donaldson)): And I directed it.

[58:05] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah. It was I was getting my pants laughing.

[58:10] Dana Craig: So you can probably explain.

[58:12] Sharon Wheatley: I'm gonna let you explain it.

[58:13] Martha Donaldson)): This is actually it was a DNA. You do it. And then Ricky Hines, who was our associate choreographer, um, choreographed all the all the dancers. But what it was is that for through the whole incarnation of Come from Away, Kelly Devine, our Tony nominated choreographer, was stuck with us.

[58:34] Sharon Wheatley: It's not a dance show. It's not a dance show, and we are not dancers, so it works out you know, really well. But somehow they hired Kelly Devine, and so Kelly, you know, choreographed all this really beautiful stuff. Um, that's a little bit more complicated than it seems, particularly the precision of it.

[58:51] Martha Donaldson)): And so there were a lot of very frustrating moments for her. But as we went along, like she got a Tony nomination for choreography for Come from Away. She was nominated for you know, drama desk and all of those different things, and and the Cheetah Rivera Award. And so we started to refer to ourselves as the Come From Away dancers, and so we go through the the sketch takes you through sort of the dance history of Come from Away, the Comfort Away dancers, if you will.

[59:22] Sharon Wheatley: And it ends in our because none of them can dance, right?

[59:27] Martha Donaldson)): Right.

[59:27] Sharon Wheatley: So it's all like you know, Joel Hatch, who's 60 and has had a foot uh a hip replace. I don't know what these dances I mean uh from because of the peel.

[59:37] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[59:38] Sharon Wheatley: And she did that baby baby's buttons? And you had to have a foot replace.

[59:42] Martha Donaldson)): And he ended up having a with my dead skin cells.

[59:44] Sharon Wheatley: That's exactly right. Which is awkward. But anyway, and so but he he always was like, ah, stand on the chair. You know what I mean? Like the the way the choreography came to pass, it's just hilarious.

[59:56] Martha Donaldson)): We do a lot of that, and then we're going to perform at the Tony Awards, and doppelgangers come in for us, and they do this like massive, awesome dance. And then we all run out, we meet up with our doppelgangers, and that's the end of the sketch.

[1:00:14] Sharon Wheatley: And we won. We actually won Gypsy of the Year for that.

[1:00:17] Martha Donaldson)): So good.

[1:00:18] Sharon Wheatley: And like the way it was lit, it would black out, and then there would just be dancers dancing, and it would kind of black out, and they'd come on out of breath.

[1:00:24] Martha Donaldson)): That's so funny.

[1:00:26] Dana Craig: Is it on YouTube?

[1:00:27] Sharon Wheatley: It is on YouTube.

[1:00:28] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, is it?

[1:00:28] Sharon Wheatley: It is on YouTube. Yep. If you do Gypsy of the Year, come from away.

[1:00:33] Martha Donaldson)): Awesome.

[1:00:34] Sharon Wheatley: And you start the sketch and you're like, where is this going? And then it then when the payoff happens, it's really good.

[1:00:40] Martha Donaldson)): It was inspired.

[1:00:43] Sharon Wheatley: Thank you.

[1:00:45] Dana Craig: Nice.

[1:00:46] Martha Donaldson)): We have two additional segments.

[1:00:50] Sharon Wheatley: Additional segments, and then we can wrap up.

[1:00:52] Martha Donaldson)): We have um like a Spitfire.

[1:00:56] Sharon Wheatley: It's not a timer.

[1:00:57] Martha Donaldson)): No, but it'll be fun because we're kind of tired. It's one of those just kind of so like go as fast as you can. Don't overthink it.

[1:01:04] Sharon Wheatley: Okay, cool.

[1:01:05] Martha Donaldson)): Okay. But both of you answer, but I think every time you should answer first, just for clarification.

[1:01:11] Sharon Wheatley: Okay, you second.

[1:01:12] Martha Donaldson)): Okay.

[1:01:16] Sharon Wheatley: Um favorite show.

[1:01:19] Martha Donaldson)): TV or a what?

[1:01:21] Sharon Wheatley: Take a pick.

[1:01:23] Martha Donaldson)): It's everybody's follow-up question.

[1:01:25] Sharon Wheatley: I do not want to clarify it.

[1:01:27] Martha Donaldson)): Tell me I'll go.

[1:01:28] Sharon Wheatley: So you're just saying favorite show?

[1:01:29] Martha Donaldson)): Favorite show.

[1:01:30] Sharon Wheatley: Survivor.

[1:01:32] Martha Donaldson)): Whoa!

[1:01:36] Sharon Wheatley: Sweety Todd.

[1:01:37] Martha Donaldson)): What a girl.

[1:01:38] Sharon Wheatley: Look at that.

[1:01:39] Martha Donaldson)): Wow.

[1:01:40] Sharon Wheatley: Wow.

[1:01:41] Martha Donaldson)): Last movie you saw in theaters.

[1:01:44] Sharon Wheatley: Um, I saw uh Mr. Rogers, the Mr. Rogers movie.

[1:01:48] Martha Donaldson)): I haven't seen it yet.

[1:01:50] Sharon Wheatley: I napped.

[1:01:50] Martha Donaldson)): I know. Everyone loved it and took tissues. I napped.

[1:01:53] Sharon Wheatley: I saw it between shows.

[1:01:54] Martha Donaldson)): You Deadpool too.

[1:01:58] Sharon Wheatley: What was the last thing you ate?

[1:02:00] Martha Donaldson)): I ate um barbecue, a barbecue chicken at Virgil's in Colesla. It was so good. And then I drank Martha's Diet Coke.

[1:02:11] Sharon Wheatley: Um, I also ate at Virgil's when I had a southwestern salad with brisket on it. It was delicious.

[1:02:21] Martha Donaldson)): I mean, I have a feeling this next question is moot, but uh, what do you wish the last thing you ate was an apple?

[1:02:31] Sharon Wheatley: Well, it helps with the bowels. I was quite happy with what I ate. We're good.

[1:02:35] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:02:36] Sharon Wheatley: Um, give us your best four bars of gypsy.

[1:02:39] Martha Donaldson)): Everything's coming up, roses for me and for.

[1:02:45] Sharon Wheatley: That's probably four. That's probably four.

[1:02:47] Martha Donaldson)): Yo!

[1:02:51] Sharon Wheatley: You're gonna you're gonna walk out of the house.

[1:02:54] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, yeah.

[1:02:54] Sharon Wheatley: Before the very last one.

[1:02:56] Martha Donaldson)): That's right.

[1:02:57] Sharon Wheatley: They've remember me.

[1:02:59] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, that's actually really funny.

[1:03:02] Sharon Wheatley: Hey, Mr. Is that the throw show?

[1:03:06] Martha Donaldson)): Hey, Mr. Ronsing!

[1:03:08] Sharon Wheatley: Funny girl, honey.

[1:03:10] Martha Donaldson)): See, I don't know the show.

[1:03:11] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, I don't know all the shows.

[1:03:13] Martha Donaldson)): That's my thing. I love the musicals, but I only know the ones I know.

[1:03:17] Sharon Wheatley: You only know the ones you know.

[1:03:19] Martha Donaldson)): That's right.

[1:03:19] Sharon Wheatley: So cute. Keeping that in.

[1:03:20] Martha Donaldson)): Lacusa or lippa.

[1:03:22] Sharon Wheatley: What did you say?

[1:03:23] Martha Donaldson)): Lakusa or lippa.

[1:03:24] Sharon Wheatley: I don't care.

[1:03:26] Martha Donaldson)): Hmm.

[1:03:27] Sharon Wheatley: Lippa.

[1:03:27] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, I didn't see Lakusa.

[1:03:30] Sharon Wheatley: Heels or flats.

[1:03:34] Martha Donaldson)): On a date, heels, but in life, flats.

[1:03:37] Sharon Wheatley: Flats.

[1:03:38] Martha Donaldson)): I would say flats anymore.

[1:03:40] Sharon Wheatley: Flats.

[1:03:41] Martha Donaldson)): I think since gay flats.

[1:03:43] Sharon Wheatley: Since gay flats.

[1:03:44] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:03:45] Sharon Wheatley: Who was your fourth grade teacher?

[1:03:47] Martha Donaldson)): Um, Mr. Svoboda.

[1:03:49] Sharon Wheatley: Svoboda?

[1:03:50] Martha Donaldson)): S-V-O-B-D-A.

[1:03:54] Sharon Wheatley: Svoboda.

[1:03:56] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, you're not gonna forget that one.

[1:03:58] Sharon Wheatley: Mrs. Marshall.

[1:04:01] Martha Donaldson)): Uh, how many years have you lived in New York?

[1:04:04] Sharon Wheatley: I lived in New York for 23 years, took a break for three years, and now I've been back for two.

[1:04:10] Martha Donaldson)): So 25.

[1:04:11] Sharon Wheatley: Well done.

[1:04:14] Martha Donaldson)): Um, in all in, well, let's see. I guess I moved here in June. Uh, it's been 23 continuous years.

[1:04:25] Sharon Wheatley: Celebrity crush.

[1:04:28] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, well, Boyd Gaines is one, and Tia Leone.

[1:04:35] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, you feel like good choices.

[1:04:38] Martha Donaldson)): Thank you.

[1:04:42] Sharon Wheatley: It's a tough one.

[1:04:45] Martha Donaldson)): I can name your celebrity crushes.

[1:04:48] Sharon Wheatley: Well, Tom Cruise.

[1:04:51] Martha Donaldson)): That's like every gay woman's movie.

[1:04:53] Sharon Wheatley: Daniel Craig's Me?

[1:04:56] Martha Donaldson)): Daniel Craig.

[1:04:57] Sharon Wheatley: Me?

[1:04:57] Martha Donaldson)): Daniel.

[1:04:57] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, Daniel.

[1:04:59] Martha Donaldson)): Dana Craig.

[1:05:00] Sharon Wheatley: Jesus.

[1:05:00] Martha Donaldson)): Dana Craig.

[1:05:05] Sharon Wheatley: It might be Daniel. You know, you're not gonna say Kelly O'Hara.

[1:05:10] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, Kelly O'Hara.

[1:05:12] Sharon Wheatley: Her too.

[1:05:14] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, I love Kelly.

[1:05:16] Sharon Wheatley: I don't know. For men, Daniel Craig, for women Kelly O'Hara.

[1:05:20] Martha Donaldson)): Who would you love to work with?

[1:05:26] Sharon Wheatley: I would love to work with one of the great female directors right now, like Tina Landau or Lee Silverman or one of somebody like that.

[1:05:42] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:05:46] Sharon Wheatley: You?

[1:05:46] Martha Donaldson)): Hmm.

[1:05:48] Sharon Wheatley: Interesting.

[1:05:53] Martha Donaldson)): I was thinking we're along the lines of actors, yeah.

[1:05:56] Sharon Wheatley: I know, I was gonna say, but then I didn't want to Well, Kelly O'Hara, basically. I would love to work with her.

[1:06:03] Martha Donaldson)): Work your manager.

[1:06:04] Sharon Wheatley: This next question, you do not have to name names, but you can describe the type of person, but who would you never want to work with?

[1:06:11] Martha Donaldson)): I mean, if you want to name names by all means, but if you don't, you can skirt that one a little bit.

[1:06:19] Sharon Wheatley: Um to protect the guilty.

[1:06:23] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, I uh there are two people who I have worked with in this business who I would never again ever, ever, ever work with again.

[1:06:32] Sharon Wheatley: Big old stinkers?

[1:06:34] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:06:35] Sharon Wheatley: Yep.

[1:06:36] Martha Donaldson)): Great.

[1:06:37] Sharon Wheatley: Yep.

[1:06:37] Martha Donaldson)): Men.

[1:06:38] Sharon Wheatley: Shocking.

[1:06:39] Martha Donaldson)): Oh.

[1:06:39] Sharon Wheatley: Two men.

[1:06:40] Martha Donaldson)): Oofta.

[1:06:41] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:06:43] Martha Donaldson)): I'm not gonna name names, but I don't want to work with crazy people. I've worked with some really just one easy to find. One or two real doozies.

[1:06:56] Sharon Wheatley: They were both women.

[1:06:58] Martha Donaldson)): I've been very lucky to not work with too many crazies, but I won't say just like crazy kind of, I'd say uh probably like the the kind of like formerly famous film or TV star who is no longer and then is kind of grasping like the comeback, you know what I mean? Like they're just like trying grasping at relevance, you know, with Steven and Dana.

[1:07:24] Sharon Wheatley: Stephen and Dana.

[1:07:25] Martha Donaldson)): Sorry.

[1:07:25] Sharon Wheatley: Betty Davis or Joan Crawford.

[1:07:28] Martha Donaldson)): Um, I don't know. I mean, I'm gonna go with Betty Davis because she's got big eyes and I have big eyes. Let's do that.

[1:07:33] Sharon Wheatley: Nail that.

[1:07:34] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:07:34] Sharon Wheatley: I like Betty Davis.

[1:07:36] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:07:37] Sharon Wheatley: Um, what do you order at Hooters?

[1:07:41] Martha Donaldson)): The wings, isn't that what everybody would get at Hooters? I mean, I don't go to Hooters, but one time when I was on the Le Miz tour, the only thing that was near the rest near the hotel was a Hooters, so we all went to Hooters for like lunch and dinner, and basically we got wings all the time. So I'm just here to tell you. First of all, those ladies are just trying to pay their rent, and most of them got like kids, and second of all, um, they can use some nice people at their table that aren't really just looking at their bust and just with like a nice tip, right?

[1:08:16] Sharon Wheatley: And the wings are delicious.

[1:08:18] Martha Donaldson)): Absolutely.

[1:08:20] Sharon Wheatley: I've never been to Hooters, but I hear the wings are amazing, and one day I hope to try them.

[1:08:25] Martha Donaldson)): Let's go.

[1:08:27] Sharon Wheatley: Have you heard that from some of the side?

[1:08:29] Martha Donaldson)): Yes, yes.

[1:08:30] Sharon Wheatley: They're famous for their wings.

[1:08:31] Martha Donaldson)): Everyone has said that about it.

[1:08:33] Sharon Wheatley: And crab legs are really good.

[1:08:34] Martha Donaldson)): Really?

[1:08:36] Sharon Wheatley: Gotta go.

[1:08:37] Martha Donaldson)): Favorite cereal.

[1:08:40] Sharon Wheatley: Well, I really enjoy Peanut Butter Puffins a lot. But they've got to sit in my almond milk for a while.

[1:08:46] Martha Donaldson)): Peanut butter muffins.

[1:08:48] Sharon Wheatley: Peanut butter puffins, like a soggy.

[1:08:50] Martha Donaldson)): Okay, well, here's all you need to know. I mean, I imagine it's a grown-up Captain Crunch.

[1:08:56] Sharon Wheatley: That's all it is. It's the same thing, but it's in like a it's a box that has a puffin on it instead of like a, you know, a guy.

[1:09:04] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, and they're delicious.

[1:09:06] Sharon Wheatley: You lucky charms.

[1:09:09] Martha Donaldson)): Oh they are magically delicious.

[1:09:12] Sharon Wheatley: Lucky charms.

[1:09:13] Martha Donaldson)): I don't eat them, but I love them.

[1:09:17] Sharon Wheatley: I'm such a nerd. My favorite cereal is grape nuts.

[1:09:20] Martha Donaldson)): Look, I love grape nuts too. Don't get me wrong. Have you ever put them in vanilla yogurt and then you let them sit overnight? It's like cheesecake.

[1:09:28] Sharon Wheatley: Oh my god. Cheese cake. As a kid, I used to put half a sweetened low packet over the top and stir it in.

[1:09:35] Martha Donaldson)): Because I was born geriatric.

[1:09:38] Sharon Wheatley: Right. Seriously, isn't it?

[1:09:42] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, I'm Benjamin Bunning.

[1:09:44] Sharon Wheatley: But reverse?

[1:09:45] Martha Donaldson)): No.

[1:09:45] Sharon Wheatley: Jerry Adrick.

[1:09:46] Martha Donaldson)): That's correct. Geriatric.

[1:09:48] Sharon Wheatley: That's a close friend of mine. Um did he write Ella Dolly?

[1:09:52] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:09:54] Sharon Wheatley: Um, you're in a crisis. Do you call Annalise Keating as played by Viola Davis on how to get away with murder? Or Olivia Pope as played by Kerry Washington on Scandal.

[1:10:11] Martha Donaldson)): Uh I can't tell if you don't know the question or if you have the answer anything. No one ever knows.

[1:10:17] Sharon Wheatley: No, no, I had to just think about it. I mean, you're gonna go with Viola Davis is one of the options, right?

[1:10:23] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, I mean, clearly isn't gonna call her, right? She's gonna handle it.

[1:10:28] Sharon Wheatley: She's gonna handle it.

[1:10:31] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:10:32] Sharon Wheatley: Carrie Washington, I just feel like we could pick her up with our pinky, like they could just be like, okay.

[1:10:37] Martha Donaldson)): She is so fragile on those.

[1:10:39] Sharon Wheatley: Come here, yeah.

[1:10:40] Martha Donaldson)): Right.

[1:10:40] Sharon Wheatley: Exactly.

[1:10:42] Martha Donaldson)): Exactly.

[1:10:44] Sharon Wheatley: She loves my pinky.

[1:10:46] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah. With her windows phone.

[1:10:48] Sharon Wheatley: I haven't really watched those TV shows enough to make a really educated answer. But you've seen them in the plays on Broadway.

[1:10:55] Martha Donaldson)): Just so let's say Viola on Timers are. Are we gonna do fences or are we gonna do what's the other one that Kerry Washington was in?

[1:11:01] Sharon Wheatley: Suzical.

[1:11:02] Martha Donaldson)): No.

[1:11:03] Sharon Wheatley: Race, the one that was about race.

[1:11:07] Martha Donaldson)): You know what I'm talking about.

[1:11:08] Sharon Wheatley: Color purple.

[1:11:09] Martha Donaldson)): Somebody's gonna no, but somebody's gonna write in. They're gonna know what I'm talking about.

[1:11:13] Sharon Wheatley: Someone's gonna write in.

[1:11:14] Martha Donaldson)): It's alive. It's a mammoth.

[1:11:15] Sharon Wheatley: It's a mammoth.

[1:11:16] Martha Donaldson)): Oh.

[1:11:18] Sharon Wheatley: It might have been called race.

[1:11:20] Martha Donaldson)): Race.

[1:11:20] Sharon Wheatley: I think it was called race.

[1:11:22] Martha Donaldson)): Um, I'm gonna call Viola Davis.

[1:11:24] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah. Great.

[1:11:25] Martha Donaldson)): Um would you rather Martha get her hands on your camera roll? Or one of your bosses that come from LA?

[1:11:38] Sharon Wheatley: Anybody. I don't I post 99.9% of my camera roll online, so I'm not afraid of anybody looking at my phone. I'm not a very private person. So I don't care.

[1:11:50] Martha Donaldson)): You may have a different answer to it.

[1:11:52] Sharon Wheatley: I would not want you mean uh would I want Sharon to get a hold of my camera?

[1:11:57] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:11:58] Sharon Wheatley: Or my bosses somewhere. Definitely Sharon. Although then I run the risk of all of my photos being posted online.

[1:12:10] Martha Donaldson)): That's right. That is a hundred percent fair.

[1:12:17] Sharon Wheatley: We see this cute picture post.

[1:12:19] Martha Donaldson)): Okay.

[1:12:20] Sharon Wheatley: And you're just like, what?

[1:12:22] Martha Donaldson)): Um uptown or downtown?

[1:12:24] Sharon Wheatley: Uptown.

[1:12:27] Martha Donaldson)): Uptown.

[1:12:30] Sharon Wheatley: I can't believe you're hesitating.

[1:12:32] Martha Donaldson)): It's so hard.

[1:12:33] Sharon Wheatley: It's uptown.

[1:12:34] Martha Donaldson)): It's uptown.

[1:12:36] Sharon Wheatley: I feel ruined you.

[1:12:38] Martha Donaldson)): It's Upper West Side. I mean, I used to want downtown, but now I just want Upper West Side.

[1:12:42] Sharon Wheatley: Martha's so downtown, and I'm so uptown.

[1:12:45] Martha Donaldson)): I like to hear with West 72nd Street Dreams. Sparky.

[1:12:49] Sharon Wheatley: I'm super downtown though.

[1:12:50] Martha Donaldson)): I mean Sparky Captain. You like to hang out downtown, but you don't want to live.

[1:12:54] Sharon Wheatley: I lived down there. I worked down there. I do love downtown. But now it's just become NYU.

[1:13:01] Martha Donaldson)): It's NYU and like Marc Jacobs.

[1:13:04] Sharon Wheatley: I mean, that's all that's going on down there.

[1:13:07] Martha Donaldson)): And like Stella design in the meat packing. I mean, you know.

[1:13:12] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah. Everything.

[1:13:14] Martha Donaldson)): It's just. But anyway, uptown.

[1:13:16] Sharon Wheatley: Red, white, or rosé.

[1:13:19] Martha Donaldson)): Depends on the time of year. And it depends on the meal. Right? If it's dinner and if it's winter, it's definitely red.

[1:13:25] Sharon Wheatley: Right.

[1:13:26] Martha Donaldson)): If it's a summer lunch, it's gonna be white.

[1:13:28] Sharon Wheatley: I appreciate that about you. But you know, if it's like if it's a hot summer night, I'm gonna say rosé.

[1:13:33] Martha Donaldson)): Personally, rosé is kind of new to the ballot. I'm gonna go for a Pinot Grigio. I'm gonna go for like a something deep and woody if it's a rosé sangria tonight for the first time.

[1:13:45] Sharon Wheatley: How was that?

[1:13:47] Martha Donaldson)): I think rosé's hot right now. We've just been drinking some rosé, actually.

[1:13:51] Sharon Wheatley: Um it's been really good. And uh um I like all three.

[1:13:57] Martha Donaldson)): I agree with everything Sharon said on the wines, which is fine.

[1:14:01] Sharon Wheatley: And the last question is is there really something in the middle of nowhere?

[1:14:07] Martha Donaldson)): There is, and it's called Gandernoban Land.

[1:14:10] Sharon Wheatley: There is something in the middle of nowhere.

[1:14:13] Martha Donaldson)): In the middle of nowhere.

[1:14:16] Sharon Wheatley: I sing that too many times a week to even joke around about it.

[1:14:23] Martha Donaldson)): What's your secret to um keeping a long run fresh?

[1:14:28] Sharon Wheatley: Um I mean with your uh with your past credits, I mean, those are long running shows. Lay Miz, Phantom, Cats, these are long, right?

[1:14:37] Martha Donaldson)): Long runs.

[1:14:38] Sharon Wheatley: Even Avenue Q.

[1:14:38] Martha Donaldson)): I'm good at I'm good at you're good at finding that.

[1:14:41] Sharon Wheatley: I'll tell you what keeps it fresh, looming unemployment. Honest to God. Like just remembering it the minute that I start to feel yeah, I'm like, guess what's more boring? Being completely broke and having nothing to do.

[1:14:57] Martha Donaldson)): I've spent too many years of my life wanting a job to get there and not appreciate it.

[1:15:03] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, I love that. I refuse to do it.

[1:15:06] Martha Donaldson)): I love that answer.

[1:15:07] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah. And my big motto is if you're unhappy, leave. And I may have been in all those long-running shows, but you can look at my contracts. I left too. I was a quitter because I will not stay if I am not happy. Life is too short.

[1:15:21] Martha Donaldson)): Sure.

[1:15:22] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah. And you were kind of saying that earlier. When you're when you're ready to go, you're ready to go.

[1:15:27] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, I am a bit of a quitter, also. I mean, I had one colleague who used to tease me and call me a short timer.

[1:15:37] Sharon Wheatley: Um how dare she I mean she didn't say it in a very sunny way, I might tell you. Um, but I uh I haven't done a lot of super long runs, and um I haven't really hit on the absolute like perfect like I feel like Come From Away could have been a show that maybe I could have run for a long time. Next to Normal, I could have run it for a long time, but there were other circumstances that prevented that.

[1:16:06] Martha Donaldson)): So, you know, I keep thinking there's gonna be a show out there that's gonna be like the show. Like I've done some shows that were so great that I thought, God, I could do this show forever. But what then they close. Like Talking Heads.

[1:16:21] Sharon Wheatley: Anyone meddling? Talking Heads, anyone see it? No, terrific play that I did that was a series of monologues with all these fantastic actresses. It was a fantastic evening of theater. Six monologues, six different people. Lynn Redgrave, Christine Ebersole, Frances Sternhagen, uh Brenda Wehle, Valerie Mahaffey, and uh uh um uh Kathy Chalfont and Danny Davis, the only man, did one of them, but it was a rotating cast of monologues, and it was a terrific evening of theater, and just everyone was a dream to work with.

[1:17:06] Martha Donaldson)): They were all amazing, and it was terrific. We did it for six months, and it was totally awesome.

[1:17:12] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, so that's like definitely way up on my list of one of the most fun.

[1:17:17] Martha Donaldson)): When was that?

[1:17:18] Sharon Wheatley: Awesome. It was like 2002, I think.

[1:17:22] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, 2002.

[1:17:25] Sharon Wheatley: Remove Tiro 7. And it was also, it was produced by Tom Hulce. And it was kind of like the first thing that Tom Hulce had produced in New York, I believe, when he like became a producer.

[1:17:37] Martha Donaldson)): And um that was also an interesting experience. And um, yeah, and then and then I went on, and then well then bitch became, you know, me, just Tom Hulce calling me for things and me saying, I can't, I can't do that. And then like missing out on many Broadway opportunities, but there are seven very well-known dwarfs on the street.

[1:18:07] Sharon Wheatley: If you were the eighth and ninth dwarf, what would your names call?

[1:18:16] Martha Donaldson)): I love Martha. My name in mind was already taken.

[1:18:20] Sharon Wheatley: What was yours?

[1:18:22] Martha Donaldson)): You wouldn't want me grumpy.

[1:18:25] Sharon Wheatley: My name was already taken with Dopey. Um if we if I we were the eighth and ninth Sharon Dwarfs so mad at us. She's like, please.

[1:18:37] Martha Donaldson)): No, no, it doesn't seem like that.

[1:18:39] Sharon Wheatley: I don't mean it like that at all.

[1:18:43] Martha Donaldson)): Uh no.

[1:18:46] Sharon Wheatley: Um wouldn't mind be bossy.

[1:18:48] Martha Donaldson)): Do I see Matt?

[1:18:50] Sharon Wheatley: No.

[1:18:50] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, okay, good.

[1:18:51] Sharon Wheatley: No.

[1:18:51] Martha Donaldson)): Uh-huh. Bossy.

[1:18:53] Sharon Wheatley: Sure.

[1:18:54] Martha Donaldson)): Probably. You'd be bossy before.

[1:18:57] Sharon Wheatley: Or softy.

[1:18:58] Martha Donaldson)): Bossy Softy, Softy bossy.

[1:19:02] Sharon Wheatley: Softy bossy.

[1:19:03] Martha Donaldson)): I would probably be like lovey. Something stupid like that. I've got no idea.

[1:19:10] Sharon Wheatley: Those are both new ones. Are all their names with E on the end?

[1:19:13] Martha Donaldson)): Except for Doc.

[1:19:15] Sharon Wheatley: Except for Doc.

[1:19:16] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, and Bashful.

[1:19:19] Sharon Wheatley: We never think of Bash.

[1:19:21] Martha Donaldson)): Never thought of Bashful in my whole life.

[1:19:24] Sharon Wheatley: Um's a cute one.

[1:19:26] Martha Donaldson)): Bashful's a cute one. He's really cute. With his beard, and he goes.

[1:19:31] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:19:32] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, yeah, but he does.

[1:19:34] Sharon Wheatley: Now I'm getting triggered.

[1:19:36] Martha Donaldson)): It's true.

[1:19:37] Sharon Wheatley: Oh good. Well, I'm glad we could bring Bashful back.

[1:19:40] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:19:41] Sharon Wheatley: Ooh, that would be a good one. It's always interesting.

[1:19:47] Martha Donaldson)): It's interesting to see how people think of themselves.

[1:19:50] Sharon Wheatley: Wait for someone to come on this podcast and be like, my dwarf name would be beautiful.

[1:19:53] Martha Donaldson)): Right.

[1:19:54] Sharon Wheatley: Mm-hmm.

[1:19:55] Martha Donaldson)): There we go. Be like, well, that's a rat.

[1:20:00] Sharon Wheatley: Anyone ever says their dwarf name is beautiful? We stop it right there.

[1:20:03] Martha Donaldson)): That's the F. We're done.

[1:20:05] Sharon Wheatley: Mine would be beautiful.

[1:20:06] Martha Donaldson)): It takes all kinds. Mine wouldn't really be lovey. Mine would be more like, how do you say worst secret keeper ever?

[1:20:13] Sharon Wheatley: Blabby.

[1:20:14] Martha Donaldson)): Blabby.

[1:20:15] Sharon Wheatley: Blabby.

[1:20:19] Martha Donaldson)): That's really cute. That's kind of a bummer.

[1:20:25] Sharon Wheatley: I have one of those nameplate necklaces. Just blabby.

[1:20:27] Martha Donaldson)): Mouthful?

[1:20:30] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, this hurts.

[1:20:32] Martha Donaldson)): It's true. I do. I tell everybody everything. I keep no secrets.

[1:20:36] Sharon Wheatley: I'm the worst.

[1:20:38] Martha Donaldson)): But what if someone's like, please keep the secret?

[1:20:41] Sharon Wheatley: I'm gonna do it.

[1:20:41] Martha Donaldson)): Dana won't keep a secret unless you someone.

[1:20:43] Sharon Wheatley: No, you have to explicitly tell me, and then it's going to be. If someone tells her to keep a secret, she's good at keeping a secret.

[1:20:49] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, I've kept a secret from you before.

[1:20:51] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:20:52] Martha Donaldson)): But like the freaking elephant thing.

[1:20:55] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:20:55] Martha Donaldson)): Right.

[1:20:56] Sharon Wheatley: Like that. But that was a good one. But you know, it's funny that we're that we joke that you I kept it. You're the worst secret keeper ever, but I also recently revealed like the surprise.

[1:21:09] Martha Donaldson)): Of course it was me who like blew the surprise. Like half an hour before it happened.

[1:21:16] Sharon Wheatley: Right. I was down in the lobby and there were people showing up, and they would see me and I'd be like, just go up, because it's a surprise. So you need to be up there first in the lobby. I'm sending people out. Like the elevators are around there.

[1:21:31] Martha Donaldson)): Wow.

[1:21:33] Sharon Wheatley: We all just laughed.

[1:21:34] Martha Donaldson)): It was funny.

[1:21:35] Sharon Wheatley: Wow. Now I have to make a surprise when it's less expected.

[1:21:44] Martha Donaldson)): Wait, you have more notes that we haven't talked about.

[1:21:48] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, well, read them.

[1:21:50] Martha Donaldson)): Three years ago today is when they closed Come From Away at Loja Playhouse.

[1:21:55] Sharon Wheatley: Today?

[1:21:56] Martha Donaldson)): It is.

[1:21:56] Sharon Wheatley: It's July 12th.

[1:21:57] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:22:00] Sharon Wheatley: July 12th.

[1:22:01] Martha Donaldson)): Wow.

[1:22:02] Sharon Wheatley: Okay.

[1:22:02] Martha Donaldson)): Who'd a thunk that we'd be here?

[1:22:05] Sharon Wheatley: Who to think?

[1:22:05] Martha Donaldson)): Who would have thought?

[1:22:06] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, went to high school with her.

[1:22:08] Martha Donaldson)): Who did you?

[1:22:10] Sharon Wheatley: Who'd a thunk?

[1:22:12] Martha Donaldson)): Wow.

[1:22:13] Sharon Wheatley: It's Martha's drive name too.

[1:22:14] Martha Donaldson)): Who'd of it?

[1:22:16] Sharon Wheatley: Is it really?

[1:22:17] Martha Donaldson)): No.

[1:22:18] Sharon Wheatley: I'm such a good actor though that you believe me.

[1:22:20] Martha Donaldson)): You are.

[1:22:21] Sharon Wheatley: You're a great actress.

[1:22:28] Dana Craig: If you two were to lead a TED talk together, what would the topic be?

[1:22:34] Martha Donaldson)): Um TED Talk Manhattan.

[1:22:39] Sharon Wheatley: Ted Tuck Manhattan Plaza.

[1:22:41] Martha Donaldson)): Leap and the net will appear.

[1:22:43] Sharon Wheatley: That's right.

[1:22:43] Martha Donaldson)): Leap and the net will appear.

[1:22:45] Sharon Wheatley: That's a good one.

[1:22:47] Martha Donaldson)): Yep.

[1:22:47] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, I would agree with that.

[1:22:49] Martha Donaldson)): I mean, yeah, it would just be on about like going for it.

[1:22:55] Sharon Wheatley: I think that's right.

[1:22:56] Martha Donaldson)): Really just going for it and not being afraid of just figuring it out on the back end.

[1:23:02] Sharon Wheatley: Jump into the pool.

[1:23:03] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah, we just didn't neither of us expected this to happen.

[1:23:07] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, yeah.

[1:23:08] Martha Donaldson)): Jump and Annette Benning's Oscar will appear.

[1:23:12] Sharon Wheatley: God bless.

[1:23:12] Martha Donaldson)): When is that gonna happen?

[1:23:14] Sharon Wheatley: When she leaves.

[1:23:17] Martha Donaldson)): She does not have an Oscar.

[1:23:18] Sharon Wheatley: And um she didn't win for American Beauty?

[1:23:25] Martha Donaldson)): No.

[1:23:26] Sharon Wheatley: No zero Oscars.

[1:23:28] Martha Donaldson)): Wow.

[1:23:29] Sharon Wheatley: I will sell this house today.

[1:23:30] Martha Donaldson)): I can't believe she didn't win for that.

[1:23:33] Sharon Wheatley: Is that the year that um Catherine Zeta-Jones won for Chicago?

[1:23:38] Martha Donaldson)): I wonder if it was that year.

[1:23:41] Sharon Wheatley: Catherine Zeta-Jones.

[1:23:44] Martha Donaldson)): Is that her name?

[1:23:45] Sharon Wheatley: Katherine's Jones.

[1:23:49] Martha Donaldson)): God bless you.

[1:23:49] Sharon Wheatley: Sorry, Catherine Zeta-Jones, if you're listening.

[1:23:51] Martha Donaldson)): What's going on?

[1:23:52] Sharon Wheatley: Blabby.

[1:23:53] Martha Donaldson)): What?

[1:23:53] Sharon Wheatley: Get it together.

[1:23:54] Martha Donaldson)): I did that right.

[1:23:55] Sharon Wheatley: I did it right.

[1:23:56] Martha Donaldson)): Catherine Zeta-Moore.

[1:23:58] Sharon Wheatley: I said Jones.

[1:23:59] Martha Donaldson)): No.

[1:24:00] Sharon Wheatley: I have the receipts.

[1:24:01] Martha Donaldson)): I got the receipts.

[1:24:02] Sharon Wheatley: I was gonna let it slide.

[1:24:06] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, it's at bar 2937.

[1:24:09] Sharon Wheatley: I'm not a good drinker.

[1:24:11] Martha Donaldson)): I don't.

[1:24:11] Sharon Wheatley: Okay, well, never mind.

[1:24:13] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, you had an entire glass of water.

[1:24:15] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:24:16] Martha Donaldson)): Cute.

[1:24:20] Sharon Wheatley: Um I can't wait for this picture.

[1:24:22] Martha Donaldson)): Oh my god, me too.

[1:24:23] Sharon Wheatley: What picture?

[1:24:24] Martha Donaldson)): We need to take a picture for the photo.

[1:24:25] Sharon Wheatley: Oh.

[1:24:26] Martha Donaldson)): For the photo.

[1:24:27] Sharon Wheatley: Um what else?

[1:24:30] Martha Donaldson)): Is there is there anything that you haven't talked about that you would like to?

[1:24:33] Sharon Wheatley: Do you have things to plug?

[1:24:34] Martha Donaldson)): Do you have topics that we didn't cover?

[1:24:39] Sharon Wheatley: You've plugged your thing before.

[1:24:41] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:24:41] Sharon Wheatley: No.

[1:24:42] Martha Donaldson)): Come From Away.

[1:24:44] Sharon Wheatley: Lifespan of a Fact coming to Studio 54.

[1:24:47] Martha Donaldson)): Where I saw my first Broadway show.

[1:24:48] Sharon Wheatley: Really?

[1:24:50] Martha Donaldson)): Oh god, what was it?

[1:24:50] Sharon Wheatley: Cabaret.

[1:24:52] Martha Donaldson)): Last row of there were there were bar stools at that time.

[1:24:55] Sharon Wheatley: There wasn't even a row.

[1:24:56] Martha Donaldson)): I was sitting on a bar stool with my dad.

[1:25:00] Sharon Wheatley: It was the night I took my first Advil, too.

[1:25:03] Martha Donaldson)): Because I had a headache and I did not want my first Broadway show ruined.

[1:25:06] Sharon Wheatley: So I made him give me a liquid gel.

[1:25:08] Martha Donaldson)): Oh my gosh.

[1:25:09] Sharon Wheatley: I know.

[1:25:10] Martha Donaldson)): My turtleneck, black jeans, black dress shoes.

[1:25:13] Sharon Wheatley: Awful outfit.

[1:25:14] Martha Donaldson)): Background.

[1:25:15] Sharon Wheatley: Last two bar stools on the end.

[1:25:18] Martha Donaldson)): Cabaret.

[1:25:18] Sharon Wheatley: I remember every second.

[1:25:20] Martha Donaldson)): Where'd you grow up?

[1:25:22] Sharon Wheatley: LA.

[1:25:22] Martha Donaldson)): Okay.

[1:25:24] Sharon Wheatley: Really?

[1:25:25] Martha Donaldson)): Where in LA?

[1:25:26] Sharon Wheatley: Thousand Oaks.

[1:25:28] Martha Donaldson)): Wow.

[1:25:31] Sharon Wheatley: Valley boy.

[1:25:32] Martha Donaldson)): He's a valley boy.

[1:25:34] Sharon Wheatley: He's a big thing.

[1:25:35] Martha Donaldson)): I didn't know I was a Valley Boy until a couple of years ago because we never were thought we were into the boy.

[1:25:41] Sharon Wheatley: Do you know that song?

[1:25:42] Martha Donaldson)): The Valley Valley Girl, she's a valley girl.

[1:25:47] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, you mean like the one you were just singing about with Valley Boy?

[1:25:50] Martha Donaldson)): From the 1980s.

[1:25:52] Sharon Wheatley: It was like I don't know that that's in my Oh my goodness.

[1:25:56] Martha Donaldson)): We're gonna have to pull that one up.

[1:25:59] Sharon Wheatley: Just type in Valley Girl.

[1:26:00] Martha Donaldson)): I forget who sings it, but it is the most 80s song.

[1:26:04] Sharon Wheatley: I mean it goes with the new Go-Go's musical, of course.

[1:26:07] Martha Donaldson)): So fun.

[1:26:09] Sharon Wheatley: We had tickets and didn't go.

[1:26:11] Martha Donaldson)): That's all right.

[1:26:11] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:26:12] Martha Donaldson)): We were overwhelmed on our Monday night off.

[1:26:15] Sharon Wheatley: Apparently tonight was the night to go see it.

[1:26:17] Martha Donaldson)): Apparently, after the show.

[1:26:20] Sharon Wheatley: Something tells me like Hillary Clinton went tonight.

[1:26:22] Martha Donaldson)): The Go-Go's played.

[1:26:24] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, the actual Go-Go's played after the show.

[1:26:27] Martha Donaldson)): I know because I had friends who went tonight who texted me and told me.

[1:26:30] Sharon Wheatley: Oh, great.

[1:26:30] Martha Donaldson)): That's what it was.

[1:26:31] Sharon Wheatley: That's kind of cool.

[1:26:33] Martha Donaldson)): That's pretty cool.

[1:26:34] Sharon Wheatley: That's very why are the Go-Go's virgins.

[1:26:37] Martha Donaldson)): I know nothing.

[1:26:38] Sharon Wheatley: Because they never stop stop.

[1:26:39] Martha Donaldson)): Because their lips are sealed.

[1:26:43] Sharon Wheatley: Have you guys seen the company cast recording documentary?

[1:26:47] Martha Donaldson)): You've seen that.

[1:26:48] Sharon Wheatley: I've watched it within the last six months.

[1:26:49] Martha Donaldson)): Wow.

[1:26:50] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:26:50] Martha Donaldson)): It's mandatory.

[1:26:52] Sharon Wheatley: Amazing.

[1:26:52] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:26:53] Sharon Wheatley: Like you can't it's like else is mandatory YouTube viewing for you.

[1:26:56] Martha Donaldson)): I don't watch YouTube video.

[1:26:58] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:26:59] Martha Donaldson)): No, this is DVD.

[1:27:00] Sharon Wheatley: I know, but do you ever go back and like watch an old Barbara YouTube moment or no?

[1:27:06] Martha Donaldson)): I you don't seek it out, but if you see something that looks interesting, you'll hit play.

[1:27:10] Sharon Wheatley: I'm the wrong person to ask this question.

[1:27:12] Martha Donaldson)): Ask Martha.

[1:27:13] Sharon Wheatley: I don't really do that, but you recently came across all that Les Mis stuff and you've you she created new content.

[1:27:19] Martha Donaldson)): You just post the content.

[1:27:21] Sharon Wheatley: You fell on the Les Mis hole.

[1:27:22] Martha Donaldson)): This is the big joke about me as I'm a post and go.

[1:27:25] Sharon Wheatley: That people think that I know everything that's going on on Facebook, and that and actually, and people will say to me all the time, I know everything that's going on with you because I follow you on Facebook.

[1:27:35] Martha Donaldson)): And I think, first of all, you don't know everything that's going on with me at all.

[1:27:39] Sharon Wheatley: And second of all, I don't know who you are.

[1:27:42] Martha Donaldson)): Oh big time.

[1:27:44] Sharon Wheatley: Did you see that Facebook?

[1:27:45] Martha Donaldson)): No.

[1:27:45] Sharon Wheatley: Nope, no, no.

[1:27:46] Martha Donaldson)): I never read it.

[1:27:47] Sharon Wheatley: I'm a post-go.

[1:27:51] Martha Donaldson)): I know.

[1:27:52] Sharon Wheatley: Isn't that weird?

[1:27:53] Martha Donaldson)): I always have been though.

[1:27:54] Sharon Wheatley: I think that is one of the biggest misnomers of me is that they people think that I'm on the computer all the time looking at social media all the time.

[1:28:00] Martha Donaldson)): And I do, but not.

[1:28:02] Sharon Wheatley: I never I very rarely comment.

[1:28:04] Martha Donaldson)): I very rarely like.

[1:28:05] Sharon Wheatley: I never will put hit like a cute hamster video.

[1:28:09] Martha Donaldson)): That is never have you ever seen me do that.

[1:28:12] Sharon Wheatley: No, only if Beatrix shows it to you.

[1:28:15] Martha Donaldson)): And even then, I'm like, I don't do this.

[1:28:17] Sharon Wheatley: I just don't do it.

[1:28:17] Martha Donaldson)): I think it's an absolute ridiculous waste of time.

[1:28:21] Sharon Wheatley: If I were gonna tell people to watch things on YouTube, I would say, watch if you can get any old Judy Garland material.

[1:28:30] Martha Donaldson)): You should watch all old Judy Garland material.

[1:28:33] Sharon Wheatley: And that would be a good thing to watch on YouTube.

[1:28:35] Martha Donaldson)): I watch that Judy Garland Christmas special every year.

[1:28:38] Sharon Wheatley: I have it right there on my shelf.

[1:28:40] Martha Donaldson)): I watch it every year.

[1:28:41] Sharon Wheatley: She pointed to it as well.

[1:28:43] Martha Donaldson)): That's right.

[1:28:44] Sharon Wheatley: I don't need YouTube.

[1:28:44] Martha Donaldson)): I got it on my shelf.

[1:28:46] Sharon Wheatley: Maybe that's a better question.

[1:28:47] Martha Donaldson)): Here's what old shit do you like?

[1:28:49] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah, but here's what you really should watch from the Judy Garland show.

[1:28:53] Martha Donaldson)): Watch her performance of um uh she sang this like the night after Kennedy was shot, and she was friends with him, of course, and she sings um mine eyes have seen the glory of the comedy it is unbelievable, and it looks like she is going to die.

[1:29:21] Sharon Wheatley: And she sounds awesome, and it is, I mean, it is just like her body is an instrument and she is using it to sing about this person.

[1:29:31] Martha Donaldson)): I mean, the way she interprets a lyric, I think is really unbelievable.

[1:29:36] Sharon Wheatley: Same thing with Liz and Melly, another phenomenal storyteller.

[1:29:41] Martha Donaldson)): And I didn't really get that until I went to the palace and saw her live the first time, and I was like, oh, I don't care that you can't sing at all.

[1:29:41] Sharon Wheatley: I don't care.

[1:29:49] Martha Donaldson)): You tell these stories so fantastically.

[1:29:56] Sharon Wheatley: If you had unlimited funds and could revive any show you wanted.

[1:30:01] Martha Donaldson)): That has not been revived in the last 10 years.

[1:30:06] Sharon Wheatley: Pompoison Dinettes.

[1:30:09] Martha Donaldson)): It really needs one.

[1:30:10] Sharon Wheatley: I was just saying that the other night.

[1:30:12] Martha Donaldson)): It is ready for a revival.

[1:30:14] Sharon Wheatley: They did it at City Center a few years ago.

[1:30:18] Martha Donaldson)): Did they?

[1:30:18] Sharon Wheatley: I didn't see it, but my friend Katie Thompson was in it.

[1:30:22] Martha Donaldson)): Oh.

[1:30:23] Sharon Wheatley: I did not see it.

[1:30:25] Martha Donaldson)): Nor was it really on my radar.

[1:30:27] Sharon Wheatley: I guess I had heard that maybe it was happening.

[1:30:29] Martha Donaldson)): But I it really needs like a bang up.

[1:30:32] Sharon Wheatley: A bang production.

[1:30:34] Martha Donaldson)): Sure have fun with that.

[1:30:37] Sharon Wheatley: I think we're ready for another Most Happy Fella.

[1:30:39] Martha Donaldson)): We haven't had a Most Happy Fella in a long time.

[1:30:42] Sharon Wheatley: I'm the Most Happy Fella!

[1:30:45] Martha Donaldson)): Because they did it with two pianos in the 90s.

[1:30:48] Sharon Wheatley: And I I think you know it could be really at Lincoln Center with like that full lush orchestra again, and really get some of those phenomenal.

[1:31:01] Martha Donaldson)): It's a terrific show.

[1:31:03] Sharon Wheatley: And there's so many, talk about Easter eggs in the show.

[1:31:05] Martha Donaldson)): They put so many like names of people in there.

[1:31:08] Sharon Wheatley: Like there's the list of who's getting the mail, and all of those people are people that are like worked in the crew or worked on this on the show.

[1:31:16] Martha Donaldson)): They're all real names, Farnsworth, all the different people.

[1:31:19] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:31:19] Martha Donaldson)): I think it's a gorgeous show.

[1:31:21] Sharon Wheatley: I don't know Most Happy Fella.

[1:31:22] Martha Donaldson)): I mean, I think I saw it at Quissy, but we just saw it at Quissy last summer.

[1:31:26] Sharon Wheatley: That's the first time I've ever seen it.

[1:31:28] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:31:29] Sharon Wheatley: It was quite good.

[1:31:31] Martha Donaldson)): They did it in like 2005, 2006.

[1:31:34] Sharon Wheatley: Oh yeah, they did it again in 2017.

[1:31:36] Martha Donaldson)): Rosabella was the first time I ever played an Anjou on stage.

[1:31:40] Sharon Wheatley: I loved it.

[1:31:41] Martha Donaldson)): It was it was a real turning point for me.

[1:31:43] Sharon Wheatley: You can read about that in the book.

[1:31:45] Martha Donaldson)): Till the Fat Girl Sings Available on Amazon.

[1:31:50] Sharon Wheatley: Ryan shedding available.

[1:31:52] Martha Donaldson)): Right.

[1:31:54] Sharon Wheatley: Prime should be available.

[1:31:57] Dana Craig: Where can people find you online if they wanted to follow your adventures?

[1:32:02] Sharon Wheatley: I'm launching a new website that'll just be at SharonWheatley.com.

[1:32:06] Martha Donaldson)): It should be launched by the time this happens.

[1:32:09] Sharon Wheatley: And I'm on Instagram at SSWheatley.

[1:32:13] Martha Donaldson)): I'm on Twitter at SSWheatley.

[1:32:16] Sharon Wheatley: And I have a Facebook page.

[1:32:19] Martha Donaldson)): Like a whatever like a follow-me, whatever that is.

[1:32:24] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:32:24] Martha Donaldson)): Not a friend request page, a press the thumbs up.

[1:32:28] Sharon Wheatley: I like this person, yeah.

[1:32:30] Martha Donaldson)): Oh, like Martha doesn't really want to be followed.

[1:32:34] Sharon Wheatley: No.

[1:32:36] Martha Donaldson)): Forget everything you've heard about our guests.

[1:32:40] Sharon Wheatley: Martha can only be found on this podcast.

[1:32:43] Martha Donaldson)): I'm sorry, I'm Sharon Wheatley's coattails of the following.

[1:32:46] Sharon Wheatley: If you're gonna write it on Sharon Wheatley's website.

[1:32:49] Martha Donaldson)): And I'm gonna am on all of those things.

[1:32:50] Sharon Wheatley: Did you just get your own tale?

[1:32:53] Martha Donaldson)): I wrote a good time.

[1:32:56] Sharon Wheatley: I actually wrote a good, I wrote a good blog about Martha and my relationship with Martha.

[1:33:03] Martha Donaldson)): That's called The End of Shiva.

[1:33:05] Sharon Wheatley: That if you're on my website and you want to know a little bit more about me and Martha and what how this happened and how I felt about it, that's a good post to read.

[1:33:14] Martha Donaldson)): It's a great post.

[1:33:15] Sharon Wheatley: The End of Shiva.

[1:33:16] Martha Donaldson)): Your blogging is a good one.

[1:33:17] Sharon Wheatley: You wrote it a while ago.

[1:33:18] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:33:18] Sharon Wheatley: I wrote it like two years ago.

[1:33:20] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:33:21] Sharon Wheatley: I read it.

[1:33:21] Martha Donaldson)): I remember.

[1:33:22] Sharon Wheatley: Yeah.

[1:33:22] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:33:23] Sharon Wheatley: I was like, ooh, what's happening here?

[1:33:25] Martha Donaldson)): It was a super great read.

[1:33:29] Sharon Wheatley: Loved it.

[1:33:32] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:33:33] Sharon Wheatley: Incredibly good.

[1:33:35] Dana Craig: That's it.

[1:33:35] Martha Donaldson)): You guys.

[1:33:37] Sharon Wheatley: Thank you so much for joining us.

[1:33:40] Martha Donaldson)): Thank you so much for having us in your home so late at night.

[1:33:44] Sharon Wheatley: This has been our pleasure.

[1:33:47] Martha Donaldson)): I'm so happy to meet you both.

[1:33:49] Sharon Wheatley: That's really fun.

[1:33:49] Martha Donaldson)): I'm glad that you can come over.

[1:33:51] Sharon Wheatley: Thanks for coming to us.

[1:33:52] Martha Donaldson)): It sure made it easy for us.

[1:33:54] Sharon Wheatley: We're a traveling podcast.

[1:33:55] Martha Donaldson)): I mean, I I did wipe down the kitchen counter and I wiped down the bathroom, but then other than that, put the dog toys in the bin.

[1:33:55] Sharon Wheatley: Other than that.

[1:34:01] Martha Donaldson)): Should we use the bathroom since you wiped it down?

[1:34:03] Sharon Wheatley: I think you're gonna say, should we use the dog toys since you put him in the bin?

[1:34:06] Martha Donaldson)): Yeah.

[1:34:07] Sharon Wheatley: Either it's fine, actually.

[1:34:09] Martha Donaldson)): I'm clearly ready for bed.

[1:34:10] Sharon Wheatley: Bye.

[1:34:11] Martha Donaldson)): Bye.

[1:34:20] Dana Craig: In the Room with Steven and Dana is produced by Steven Ferezy.

[1:34:25] Sharon Wheatley: And Dana Craig.

[1:34:26] Martha Donaldson)): Special thanks to Joel Wagoner for tinkling the ivories on our theme song.

[1:34:31] Sharon Wheatley: Hit him up at JoelWagoner.com.

[1:34:33] Martha Donaldson)): We apologize, and you're welcome.

[1:34:35] Sharon Wheatley: We'd also like to thank Jesse Wiener, W I E N E R, for our jazzy original music sprinkled throughout each episode.

[1:34:43] Martha Donaldson)): You can find him at jessewiener.com.

[1:34:46] Sharon Wheatley: Last but certainly not least, we'd like to thank Kevin Thomas Garcia for taking all of our ridiculous photos.

[1:34:53] Martha Donaldson)): You can find him online at ktgnyc.com.

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[1:35:05] Martha Donaldson)): Follow us, like us, share us, pim us out.

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[1:35:11] Martha Donaldson)): We everywhere, so subscribe.

[1:35:13] Sharon Wheatley: And thank you so much for listening.

[1:35:15] Martha Donaldson)): Thank you so much.