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[0:00] Steven Ferezy: Take one Stephen and Dana and we're in the room.

[0:24] Dana Craig: Welcome to the daytime Emmys.

[0:28] Steven Ferezy: Welcome to the Razzies.

[0:31] Dana Craig: Steven, I think we made it.

[0:33] Steven Ferezy: Yeah, I think we've peaked.

[0:36] Dana Craig: I can't, my heart is beating so fast, and I might need to leave the room to I don't know, do something, but yeah, there's been a shift in cabin pressure.

[0:47] Steven Ferezy: Yeah.

[0:50] Dana Craig: Everyone, put your tray tables up.

[0:52] Steven Ferezy: We are coming down from the skies.

[0:55] Dana Craig: We're about to take off, is what's happening.

[0:57] Steven Ferezy: Yes, yes.

[0:58] Dana Craig: Um, pressing your reading light, pressing your reading button will turn your reading light on, but pressing your flight attendant button will not turn your flight attendant on.

[1:07] Steven Ferezy: We have nothing to talk about up top.

[1:09] Dana Craig: We usually do a little tete-a-tete, but this is far too important.

[1:12] Steven Ferezy: I'm shaking.

[1:13] Dana Craig: This is f like I said before.

[1:17] Steven Ferezy: I need to be held, and I'm just I feel so naked and alone over here on my end.

[1:22] Dana Craig: We're doing this remotely, everyone.

[1:24] Steven Ferezy: We have a guest in from the coast.

[1:28] Dana Craig: From LA, Los Angeles.

[1:31] Steven Ferezy: But was born and raised in New York City.

[1:35] Dana Craig: What?

[1:36] Steven Ferezy: We are we are getting some head nods from guests.

[1:40] Dana Craig: 14th Street and Avenue B.

[1:42] Steven Ferezy: Alphabet City, baby.

[1:44] Dana Craig: 14th and B.

[1:47] Steven Ferezy: Yes, everyone, everyone.

[1:50] Dana Craig: Put your hands together.

[1:52] Steven Ferezy: Put your arms in the air for Jennifer.

[1:54] Dana Craig: Elise Cox Yes.

[1:59] Steven Ferezy: If you say it fast, it sounds like Jennifer release Cox.

[1:59] Dana Craig: Jennifer release Cox.

[2:06] Steven Ferezy: Jennifer.

[2:08] Dana Craig: Release the cox, Jennifer.

[2:12] Steven Ferezy: Oh, I love that.

[2:13] Dana Craig: Well, you grew up with the name, so.

[2:15] Steven Ferezy: Oh, it was unfortunate.

[2:17] Dana Craig: Having the last name Cox, roll call.

[2:19] Steven Ferezy: I dreaded it in New York.

[2:21] Dana Craig: I would run out of the room in New York.

[2:23] Steven Ferezy: Oh my god.

[2:24] Dana Craig: It was so embarrassing.

[2:26] Steven Ferezy: But I just had to embrace it.

[2:28] Dana Craig: I don't know. My dad was always like, you have to have a sense of humor about it.

[2:33] Steven Ferezy: And that was probably good because I have a sense of humor.

[2:35] Dana Craig: You have to.

[2:36] Steven Ferezy: Yeah, like how old were you when you had that talk?

[2:41] Jennifer Elise Cox: I was 25.

[2:45] Steven Ferezy: Far too old.

[2:46] Jennifer Elise Cox: Far too old.

[2:48] Dana Craig: But I love your dad.

[2:50] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, he was too. I mean, he really sounds like he set the ball rolling for your lifelong motto and mantra.

[2:56] Jennifer Elise Cox: Well, he was very funny. My dad was constantly doing impressions, and he was always doing like Mick Jagger in his underwear, which is inappropriate, but like he was really funny.

[3:07] Dana Craig: So that I was lucky.

[3:09] Jennifer Elise Cox: You have to be funny growing up in Manhattan.

[3:12] Dana Craig: You have to be.

[3:15] Jennifer Elise Cox: Otherwise, it's just tragic and tragic.

[3:19] Dana Craig: Tragic things happen to you on the subway every day.

[3:23] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yes.

[3:24] Dana Craig: Yes.

[3:25] Jennifer Elise Cox: Well, I'm so glad. I have I have a silly father too, and very, very important in all those ways.

[3:32] Dana Craig: It's key.

[3:34] Jennifer Elise Cox: Key, so key.

[3:35] Dana Craig: What was what about your mom?

[3:37] Jennifer Elise Cox: You just posted a picture of her.

[3:39] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh my god. Here's the amazing thing about my mom, because it kind of goes with you guys. Like she worked in Broadway show advertising.

[3:47] Dana Craig: Really?

[3:48] Jennifer Elise Cox: That was like what she did.

[3:50] Dana Craig: So I was so lucky. I grew up going to all of the shows for free.

[3:54] Jennifer Elise Cox: I saw everything, but like old school, like Amadeus and like all the old shows.

[4:00] Jennifer Elise Cox: But I mean, it was it was incredible for me to get into acting because I got to see everything.

[4:00] Jennifer Elise Cox: I got to see Sarah Jessica Parker play Annie.

[4:09] Dana Craig: She was amazing.

[4:11] Jennifer Elise Cox: Amazing.

[4:13] Jennifer Elise Cox: I wanted to be you my whole life. I just wanted to be like a Manhattan kid, riding the subway, like smoking a cigarette, and not giving a shit.

[4:22] Dana Craig: And Steven is from Thousand Oaks.

[4:26] Steven Ferezy: It's beautiful there.

[4:28] Dana Craig: Isn't it?

[4:29] Steven Ferezy: Beautiful.

[4:29] Jennifer Elise Cox: I love Thousand Oaks.

[4:31] Steven Ferezy: You know, it took me growing up, but I can look back and say, Yeah, glad I grew up like somewhere like that.

[4:38] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, gorgeous, gorgeous. I love it.

[4:40] Dana Craig: Grass is always greener.

[4:42] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah.

[4:42] Dana Craig: Yeah, it is.

[4:43] Jennifer Elise Cox: I'm very jealous too.

[4:45] Dana Craig: No, just kidding.

[4:48] Jennifer Elise Cox: Well, okay, so you're from New York.

[4:51] Dana Craig: Oh, I can't, my pulse is just so intense right now.

[4:55] Jennifer Elise Cox: Um, you are from New York, and do you miss anything about it?

[5:00] Jennifer Elise Cox: I mean, you're such an LA person in the world. People kind of see you as this like LA girl, even though that's after you do the Brady Bunch, everyone assumes you're from California.

[5:11] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's so funny.

[5:12] Jennifer Elise Cox: But I I am from New York. I do miss New York.

[5:15] Jennifer Elise Cox: I went to the high school of performing arts, the fame high school.

[5:20] Jennifer Elise Cox: I was like very indulged. We used to really dance on tables and like hot lunch, and like I I miss everything about it, especially the people.

[5:32] Jennifer Elise Cox: But the but a lot of the people are here, so you know, but you get more of the narcissistic New Yorkers come here.

[5:40] Dana Craig: The really cool New Yorkers stay in New York.

[5:43] Jennifer Elise Cox: Well, yeah, the entitled Where's My Job?

[5:46] Dana Craig: Totally.

[5:49] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah.

[5:50] Dana Craig: I don't need to have any qualifications.

[5:55] Jennifer Elise Cox: Like how pretty.

[5:56] Dana Craig: Zero.

[5:58] Jennifer Elise Cox: Well, would one categorize you, Jennifer Elise Cox, as a theater kid when you were growing up, or or what how did um that manifest in your life as an actor?

[6:09] Jennifer Elise Cox: That is a great question. You would categorize me as a theater geek.

[6:14] Jennifer Elise Cox: And like at performing arts, we studied the Stanislavski method, and I was really serious about acting.

[6:22] Jennifer Elise Cox: And actually, when I played Jan Brady, this is so stupid. I went method, I was fully method.

[6:30] Dana Craig: Yes, you did.

[6:31] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yes, you did.

[6:32] Dana Craig: Yes, you did.

[6:33] Jennifer Elise Cox: You absolute queen.

[6:35] Jennifer Elise Cox: I was so I was so annoying to be around because I just wouldn't, I would not get out of character.

[6:41] Jennifer Elise Cox: I love the characters so much and I love the voice, and I really wanted to get it right because the Brady Bunch was very important to me.

[6:48] Jennifer Elise Cox: So I was like, Yeah, it's sacred.

[6:52] Jennifer Elise Cox: And I I was like, I have to get this right, but I was I went full on method, and you know, it didn't work a lot a lot for me psychologically, but like on screen it was great.

[7:05] Dana Craig: Do we want to do we have time to talk about that about it?

[7:10] Jennifer Elise Cox: Well, I was just I mean, I was just I was I was like I was a kook, I wouldn't stop. I'd be in my trailer all day saying my lines, and like I just I wanted to get it right, and I was a young actor, and you're kind of insecure at that point.

[7:27] Jennifer Elise Cox: So I was like, I just don't want to get fired. I always thought like I'm gonna get fired.

[7:31] Jennifer Elise Cox: And I am a New Yorker in that way, and that I'm super neurotic. I'm like, I'm gonna get fired.

[7:36] Dana Craig: Yes, they'll find me out.

[7:41] Jennifer Elise Cox: But also, people I I think I just learned this yesterday while whilst doing some research. It uh Jan was your first role.

[7:50] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yes.

[7:51] Jennifer Elise Cox: I mean I had plays, I had done plays, but it was my it was my first role, and literally I was terrified.

[8:00] Jennifer Elise Cox: Like going up for it. I just like I remember I did my hair like Jan.

[8:04] Jennifer Elise Cox: I did the payus on the blind piss.

[8:08] Dana Craig: Yeah, yeah.

[8:09] Jennifer Elise Cox: And I had on like this outfit my mom had given me, like a really 70s outfit, but I remember like going in, I'm like, they're gonna know I'm a fraud.

[8:19] Jennifer Elise Cox: But I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try really hard.

[8:25] Dana Craig: Well, yesterday I was watching the uh the very Brady sequel where they go to Hawaii, and I will be on a Hawaiian Airlines flight tomorrow.

[8:34] Jennifer Elise Cox: So I was very much like taking screen grabs, I'm like, this is gonna be us, you guys, and the aisles musical number.

[8:43] Dana Craig: Thank you very much.

[8:44] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yes, Libby Bowman.

[8:45] Jennifer Elise Cox: Um, but the very Brady sequel, you know, your performance of Jan Brady, if I may, is so tender. Like the way that you are doing it is actually like it's a drama.

[8:58] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah, it's very serious.

[9:00] Jennifer Elise Cox: Like, you are not playing comedy for comedy's sake.

[9:03] Jennifer Elise Cox: You are not, you know, like on Will and Grace cameo like you did. This is a very tender performance.

[9:09] Jennifer Elise Cox: No question.

[9:10] Jennifer Elise Cox: I was so I was so wacky at that point. I was just so into it that you know, I remember I was like, I was pretty much like the only way someone told me like comedy is a drama times 10.

[9:23] Jennifer Elise Cox: So like you have to keep it real.

[9:25] Jennifer Elise Cox: And I was just like, I don't want the second movie to get out of control.

[9:29] Jennifer Elise Cox: Like, I want to keep my performance grounded.

[9:31] Jennifer Elise Cox: I was very serious about it.

[9:34] Dana Craig: That's why it works.

[9:35] Jennifer Elise Cox: But that's what makes it funny when you don't play the joke, you just play it.

[9:39] Dana Craig: You can't.

[9:40] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's funnier.

[9:41] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's so true.

[9:42] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's so true.

[9:43] Jennifer Elise Cox: And it and I I forget that now because I'm kind of lazier, but like I look back at those two movies and I'm like, wow, I worked really hard.

[9:52] Jennifer Elise Cox: We all did. That whole cast, we were really like, it was so well cast.

[9:58] Dana Craig: I mean, it wasn't just look alike for look alike's sake.

[10:01] Jennifer Elise Cox: It was I mean, they found everybody, everybody is perfectly suited for their role.

[10:10] Dana Craig: I agree, and they were super sweet, so sweet, so funny though.

[10:16] Jennifer Elise Cox: I mean, I mean, like some of the stories. Shelley Long amazing.

[10:21] Jennifer Elise Cox: She's amazing.

[10:22] Dana Craig: Do you know what's really interesting, you guys? She lives next door to my real mom here in LA now.

[10:29] Jennifer Elise Cox: They live next door to each other.

[10:31] Dana Craig: Is that real?

[10:31] Jennifer Elise Cox: Real mom and fake mom?

[10:32] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's not true.

[10:34] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's totally true.

[10:35] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's totally true.

[10:37] Dana Craig: Isn't that interesting?

[10:39] Jennifer Elise Cox: I bumped up to her in the grocery store and she's like, I live next door.

[10:42] Jennifer Elise Cox: I was like, to my real mom? This is weird.

[10:49] Dana Craig: Oh, I love your moms.

[10:51] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, yeah. They're so cute.

[10:53] Dana Craig: They're so cute.

[10:55] Jennifer Elise Cox: They're totally cute.

[10:56] Jennifer Elise Cox: But um also like Gary Cole is as our dad.

[11:01] Jennifer Elise Cox: He was incredible.

[11:02] Jennifer Elise Cox: He was so cool.

[11:04] Jennifer Elise Cox: Like, he was so like handsome and you know, and then he put on that weird like pubic hair wig and like just look like dad, Mr. Brady.

[11:20] Dana Craig: I I also watched both of the movies, and um in the first movie, you and Anne B. Davis in the truck with the afro wig, and like having that acting again, your method paid off because that's scene work.

[11:38] Jennifer Elise Cox: You know, yes, it's a gag that's a lot of things.

[11:42] Jennifer Elise Cox: Because Ambie Davis really liked to work it too.

[11:45] Jennifer Elise Cox: She liked to go like she we went over our lines a million times.

[11:49] Jennifer Elise Cox: Theater queen, so professional, and um she just kept going over it, and like uh to work with her was incredible.

[11:58] Jennifer Elise Cox: It was amazing. That was so lucky.

[12:01] Jennifer Elise Cox: And and to kind of be uh singled out in that way, to be the only one, you know, she didn't come into the house and do something with the family.

[12:09] Jennifer Elise Cox: This is this is Jan's journey.

[12:12] Dana Craig: Well, you know, Jan had special needs.

[12:15] Jennifer Elise Cox: That's what Sir Rich Schwartz used to say.

[12:20] Jennifer Elise Cox: He said that like she really, you know, she had a lot of the problems and the issues, and the I remember talking to him on the set of the first movie, and um he said to me, I hope you don't have the issues and problems that Jan Brady has.

[12:36] Jennifer Elise Cox: And I was like, um, I have way, way bigger problems like Jan Brady's the 90s.

[12:44] Dana Craig: You're like Jan Debrees.

[12:47] Jennifer Elise Cox: What are you talking about?

[12:48] Dana Craig: What are you talking about?

[12:49] Jennifer Elise Cox: Jan's a girl.

[12:50] Jennifer Elise Cox: He said to me, and I hope I don't get sued for saying this, but he said to me that Eve Plum was the best actress, so they used to give her the heavy storylines.

[13:01] Dana Craig: I think it's true.

[13:02] Jennifer Elise Cox: I think you're fine.

[13:03] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[13:04] Jennifer Elise Cox: We'll talk to the BPN legal team about that.

[13:07] Jennifer Elise Cox: I don't want to insult anybody, but you know, I think she well, she was a she was the dramatic actress.

[13:12] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[13:13] Jennifer Elise Cox: She was very good.

[13:14] Jennifer Elise Cox: She could play.

[13:14] Jennifer Elise Cox: And she still is.

[13:15] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah.

[13:16] Jennifer Elise Cox: She could play emotion, and so they gave it to her, you know.

[13:20] Dana Craig: That happens on a series, right?

[13:23] Jennifer Elise Cox: Good writers.

[13:27] Dana Craig: Um, you've also had the opportunity to work with our queen, Jean Smart.

[13:33] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh my god, I'm so glad you're bringing her up.

[13:35] Jennifer Elise Cox: She's amazing.

[13:37] Jennifer Elise Cox: Forever fabulous.

[13:39] Dana Craig: Oh my god.

[13:39] Jennifer Elise Cox: And the Brady movie.

[13:42] Jennifer Elise Cox: I am so glad you brought that up because I was just reading an article with Jean.

[13:47] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's actually an AARP magazine.

[13:50] Jennifer Elise Cox: I do get it.

[13:51] Dana Craig: Yes.

[13:51] Jennifer Elise Cox: Okay.

[13:52] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yes.

[13:52] Jennifer Elise Cox: This article is incredible because she gave the best advice.

[13:57] Jennifer Elise Cox: I always thought she was the sweet she's the sweetest, nicest, funniest person, but she also is just like she's got practical advice, and it's for actors, and it's really like your time is gonna come up.

[14:11] Jennifer Elise Cox: You just have to wait.

[14:12] Jennifer Elise Cox: You just have to be patient.

[14:13] Jennifer Elise Cox: And I was like, oh, I love her.

[14:15] Jennifer Elise Cox: She is so funny and beautiful and fabulous.

[14:18] Jennifer Elise Cox: And oh my god, I love Jean.

[14:20] Jennifer Elise Cox: She's gonna be like, what an opportunity to like to just have a front row seat to her process, whatever it may or may not be, and to as a young actor get to learn from someone.

[14:36] Jennifer Elise Cox: She is a real person, she's nice to everybody.

[14:39] Jennifer Elise Cox: She likes to flirt with the guys still, like she's sexy, she's like, she's just yum, yum, yum, yum. And I would say maybe the best actress ever, ever, hands down. I would be in scenes with her, and like I would get out of character because I was just like, she's so good. She's just so good. She's amazing. And I love Hacks. I can't wait. I can't wait for it to come back. We're a very Hacks forward family. Good here in this household. Very Hacks forward. Um like crazily. Okay, like it's like a big thing. Yeah, we turn our phone off. That's big. It's like it's church. Yeah, you know, it is church. It is. She's amazing. But I do want to talk about Forever Fabulous, if I may.

[15:28] Dana Craig: Yes, please.

[15:29] Jennifer Elise Cox: What year was that? Like 1990. It was this I feel like or maybe ninety you guys what's so amazing about that movie. I love to tell gossip. I don't even know if it's gossip, but I have to tell it. Breaking news. Okay, so that movie, the people, and this will just show you like what a difference a year or two makes, because they wanted Leslie Ann Warren to play her part. And it was just like, what? Like, it's not gonna happen. And up until the last second, like she didn't get cast until the last second. She just had to jump in there because Leslie Ann Warren turned it down and she was able to do it. And like a true actress, like she didn't let her ego get in the way. She just did it, you know.

It was great. Hold up her sleeves. Respect. Where should we begin? Learned it overnight. That's respect. What cute But it is like. Oh, I just said you know, you learn it overnight and then you deliver the next day. You just that good. She's that pro that like I mean, she would she had just like nonstop dialogue and she just and she didn't let anything stop her. It's like 'cause a lot of times you just have to know like maybe you're the tenth choice, but if you get to get up and do it, just do it. Who cares? Right. Oh, that is what I loved about um, you know, getting into my Jean Smart Hassan's uh work research of last year. I was like, why was I sleeping on Jean Smart? What's happening? So I went back and like looked at everything.

That's how I found Forever Fabulous. I mean, could not believe sh everyone in that movie is stunning. It is weird. It is like so fun to watch. Oh, I'm so glad to do that. And it's such a stony totally stony baloney. Robert Wagner, and they have like a little make out scene, like, and she's such a woman, and you know, like they like the bombshell. And she was a theater girl, too. She started in theater. I mean, and that's what all she did for the longest time, I think until she was about 30. So I mean, it gives us all hope, you know. I give you still everything I own to see her in a play.

[17:54] Dana Craig: Oh, I know.

[17:55] Jennifer Elise Cox: I know. I think she wants to do it. I think like she was on a podcast. She'd do eight a week. And she was like, I want to go to Broadway. And I'm like, well, I hope I hope I'm still here. Oh my god. We will go for sure. We'll wait online. That's right. Yeah. Oh definitely. Take whatever you want. Gene in a play, amazing, amazing. And also in that movie, it's funny, it's Georgia Fox and Emily Proctor, and they both ended up on CSI shows. And this was like before they made it. And I was just I always thought that was weird. I was always like, where's my CSI show? Why aren't I on a CSI show? But I was like CSI New York. I was on CSI New York, you guys, like one episode, and I played a $2,000 an hour hooker. Okay. You have to stop it with these roles. You've played a hooker more times than I can count. First of all, you're like Jan. And then all these hookers. I mean, really.

[18:58] Jennifer Elise Cox: Well, Eve Plum played Jan and then um Portrait of a Teenage Runaway, John, portrait of Teenage. So we're mirroring each other. It's the jam. I love you so much. This episode I is is um I don't know, it's dedicated to my best friend Drew Hollenbeck. He is beside himself that he cannot be here in person to just pop in and say hi. He said, anytime he ever saw you pop up in anything, he knew he was safe. Like these casting directors know what is up. Like he was obsessed with Hype. You guys Hype. I can't believe he saw her. She showed me Hype. He's a little bit more. Oh he's still like ref he's a true fan. True, true, true fan. And he's taking me to Hawaii. So we're gonna bring a bunch of out. And he says hi.

[20:00] Dana Craig: Oh, please.

[20:00] Jennifer Elise Cox: You know, Oahu.

[19:58] Dana Craig: Nice.

[19:58] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, you're gonna have so much fun.

[20:00] Dana Craig: I will.

[20:00] Jennifer Elise Cox: You should just start dancing on the plane, you know.

[20:06] Dana Craig: I will.

[20:07] Jennifer Elise Cox: Like just into the case. Jennifer's 22, you guys. He does have a question. He does have a question.

[20:11] Dana Craig: Good, good.

[20:12] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, a collar. A collar, a collar. We have a collar. A collar. My question is, you have such a uniquely distinctive presence on screen. There's a Jennifer Elise Cox brand, if you will, and then all the funny people who have come after you just have stolen from you, basically. How did you find that you were funny? Did you come from a super funny family? Did someone say, hey, you're funny, do that again? Were you always funny?

[20:47] Jennifer Elise Cox: I think because my parents, both of them were so funny. I was always funny. They valued sense of humor, but they said that they were both actors that stopped doing it because they just couldn't take it anymore, and they chose other professions. They were like, this is horrible. They took me, um, well, they went to see me in a Christmas pageant where I just had one line, and I guess like I got a huge laugh, and they were like, oh shit, she's gonna be an actress. Oh no, no, we don't wish this on her, you know. But if it's in your blood, it's in your blood. You gotta do it no matter what. But they were they were like, oh no, no, no, she can't be. But I think it was them. They were so they're very funny. My mom's super funny.

[21:37] Dana Craig: Mine too.

[21:39] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yours too. Yeah, it's so nice. It's nice because it's nice when you're in a family where it's like less about money or looks, it's a sense of humor. Like that was always like the key. Yeah, you couldn't be funny in our family.

[21:54] Dana Craig: That's good.

[21:57] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah, yeah. No, it's not ruthless people.

[22:05] Dana Craig: Jennifer Elise Cox. Um would you rather do theater?

[22:12] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yes, I love the theater, and I will tell you, this is what's interesting, is I did some theater in New York, but I've done a lot of theater out here. The only problem is in LA, no one will come see you. It's very upsetting. You have to like beg people to come see you. But I enjoy it so much. I would I mean, uh, theater is my love, seriously. I always think that like film acting is being and theater is acting. It is, it's the ultimate, and you know, you gotta. I don't know. I like being with uh really nice cast and bonding and drinking after the show. That's not that's the best.

[22:58] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[22:59] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's a community. It's definitely community sport. It is a contact sport.

[23:04] Dana Craig: It's a contact sport.

[23:06] Jennifer Elise Cox: Steven works at Tina.

[23:08] Dana Craig: Oh, yeah, I I'm an dresser at Tina, and we're always saying that we are we are in a contact sport.

[23:15] Jennifer Elise Cox: I want to see that show. Everybody loves that show.

[23:17] Dana Craig: Oh my god, please come. Please come. Everybody loves it. I'll make a special trip.

[23:22] Jennifer Elise Cox: No, I think what you guys do is incredible. It's amazing. And it's I mean, it's it's more satisfying. I don't know. Like you're you're in a family when you're doing a play. I don't know. And people seem to be like coming back to theater after the pandemic. Everyone wants to go see a Broadway show. And I'm so happy for that. And the weather's finally such that people are like, I wanna spend my day outside. And you know, if I have to put my mask on to watch the play, I can at least spend the rest of the day not inside. Do you guys have a f I'm sorry I'm asking question. Do you have a favorite play that you've seen in your right now?

[24:02] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[24:03] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh yeah, I just saw For Colored Girls and was blown away. Knocked my socks off.

[24:08] Dana Craig: Oh my god.

[24:08] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh my god, I want to see that. Knocked my socks off. Really bad.

[24:12] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[24:13] Jennifer Elise Cox: Which is funny because they don't wear shoes.

[24:15] Dana Craig: Which is funny because there are no socks to be knocked off.

[24:18] Jennifer Elise Cox: There aren't any socks. But that's amazing if they knocked your socks off. They sure did. I uh I had enough socks for everyone. They've all been knocked.

[24:34] Dana Craig: I am beyond excited to see POTUS.

[24:38] Jennifer Elise Cox: Mm-hmm.

[24:39] Dana Craig: Directed by Susan Stroman. And like Vanessa Williams is in it, Rachel Dratch, Lea DeLaria, Julianne Hough. And I'm like, Jennifer Elise Cox could absolutely be in that as well.

[24:50] Jennifer Elise Cox: I have not seen it, and yet I know it's brilliant.

[24:53] Dana Craig: Yeah, they just opened, I think, last night.

[24:55] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah, oh yeah. It's exciting. A lot of funny women being crazy.

[25:00] Dana Craig: Oh good.

[25:01] Jennifer Elise Cox: That's what we love. I think they wear crocs. I mean, I have seen crocs. Um, wear a crocs. That kind of vibe. They wear crocs on stage. And it's a political, hilarious. You know the cast of The Lion King is like, I wish I could wear a croc on this rake.

[25:20] Dana Craig: Oh my god.

[25:21] Jennifer Elise Cox: Dear God, yes. Oh. I remember going to the city. What would you love to see?

[25:28] Dana Craig: Oh, sorry, tell your story.

[25:29] Jennifer Elise Cox: I would like to see them all.

[25:30] Dana Craig: Oh no, it's a terrible story. I just remember going to The Lion King when it first came out, the Disney production, and I was next to these two kids, and all of a sudden in the middle of the play, they're like, this is not a movie. It's not a movie. I was just like, oh my god.

[25:49] Jennifer Elise Cox: That's when you're talking about it.

[25:49] Dana Craig: I know, like you are actually correct. We have to keep the theater. We have to keep it alive. I really do feel like we've got to keep it alive.

[25:58] Jennifer Elise Cox: Jennifer Elise. It seems like it's in now. Dovetailing on keeping the theater alive. I was at Bernard at Peter's closing performance of Hello Dolly, where at intermission the people behind me were discussing how shocked they were that the orchestra was live.

[26:16] Dana Craig: What is wrong with people?

[26:19] Jennifer Elise Cox: I went to see I went to staying a hundred something dollars to attract. I went to to see uh Wicked in San Francisco, and I remember there was a girl behind me, she had like a wicked, it almost looked like a Bible, and I was like, that's a little scary. And then she cried during the entire both acts, was crying, and just was like, I'm sorry, my mom never took me to the theater. It's just so amazing. And we're just like, shut the f up. Like, oh sorry. We came, I came from LA when we bought these tickets, and I know like she's crying, oh my mom never took me to the theater. I was like, you're at the theater now. Enjoy it.

[27:07] Dana Craig: Oh, there's always that person, isn't there?

[27:09] Jennifer Elise Cox: And somehow I always buy the ticket near theirs.

[27:13] Dana Craig: I do too. I my luck is not good. It's people gotta sit by somebody. Better be us. They do fear of what the alternative might be. It could be really bad. Yeah. We're nice, at least, yeah. Oh my god, it's so funny. We'll shout you out on a podcast.

[27:32] Dana Craig: Have you guys done Groundlings?

[27:36] Jennifer Elise Cox: It is the biggest regret of my life.

[27:37] Dana Craig: Really?

[27:38] Jennifer Elise Cox: I don't actually want to talk about it.

[27:39] Dana Craig: Okay, no, I would have loved, I think. I think I would have loved. Because I'm I'm pretty pretty darn bad at improv. Like pretty darn bad. Because I think about it too much. But I could I think I could do characters in sketch and do that.

[27:56] Jennifer Elise Cox: They force you to do it. They used to have me come and guest, um, because a friend kind of introduced me there, and I would guess, and I had a couple times where I was pretty good, but I was just like, I had major diarrhea backstage. I was so nervous. I was just like, I don't know if it's worth it. I think I'm gonna like it's very nerve-wracking. But they just kind of would push me on this stage with like people like Jennifer Coolidge, and she's so good. No, no, no, thank you. I'm good. Oh, there's nobody I want to get to the book. Oh my god. I'd never survive it. I would I'd no actually she's so generous, and she's like she knows to take care of you. She's one of those actors. She's so generous.

She's great. You would love it. You would love it. White Lotus season. She's amazing. She really inspired our Hawaii trip. I mean, all we wanted to do was, you know, Jennifer Coolidge vibes, pack every caftan you own. Let's go. Yes, and you need some ashes, and you need to get on a boat. That scene where she was on the boat. That's my favorite. The catamaran. Yes, done and done. Done and done. You're gonna have fun. How long were you be there?

[29:14] Jennifer Elise Cox: Uh, like two weeks, maybe.

[29:16] Jennifer Elise Cox: She was shy of two weeks.

[29:18] Dana Craig: Nice.

[29:20] Jennifer Elise Cox: I do not take trips like this, so I'm very excited. I usually just go to New Hampshire, Wisconsin to see my family.

[29:25] Dana Craig: You deserve it.

[29:26] Jennifer Elise Cox: Thank you. You're gonna try.

[29:29] Dana Craig: Stop it. That's a good trip. It'll go by in two seconds, though.

[29:33] Jennifer Elise Cox: I'm sure. Hawaii is amazing. We were in Hawaii for a month when we shot the second Brady Bunch.

[29:43] Dana Craig: It was serious.

[29:44] Jennifer Elise Cox: A month.

[29:45] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[29:46] Jennifer Elise Cox: We lived there for a month. It was a very long time. It was a little bit more than a little bit.

[29:49] Dana Craig: Was there plenty of time to explore and like be there, or were you constantly working?

[29:54] Jennifer Elise Cox: No, I was honestly, I was in every scene of that movie. I was in every scene. But we went to like, I don't know, I got a Chi Chi one night. It was fun, but like, yeah, I didn't really see Hawaii. But I was very grateful to be there. The vibes.

[30:12] Dana Craig: Sure.

[30:13] Jennifer Elise Cox: In the nineties.

[30:15] Dana Craig: Oh god.

[30:18] Jennifer Elise Cox: The nineties were so funny. They were so funny because like actually Paramount Studio wasn't doing that well. So like we would go to rehearsals and there would be no food and like there'd just be like I had heard that that film sets had all this great food. Like I would get like a peanut butter sandwich. It was just a different thing.

[30:41] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[30:42] Jennifer Elise Cox: And I remember the moms complained. I'm really into 90s music lately. I can't stop like listening to like Nirvana and stuff like that.

[30:51] Dana Craig: Me too.

[30:52] Jennifer Elise Cox: What are we into like Dave?

[30:54] Dana Craig: Dave's massive.

[30:56] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yes. All of it. Oh my god, Nirvana. Oh my god. I love it. I dance around to it every morning to try and get myself going.

[31:04] Dana Craig: So funny. Smells like Teen Spirit.

[31:13] Jennifer Elise Cox: I love Tori Amos' cover of that.

[31:12] Dana Craig: Oh my god.

[31:13] Jennifer Elise Cox: I love Tori Amos in general. I love getting to know my favorite comedy queen just in the room that we're in.

[31:21] Dana Craig: Oh my god, this is so special. You guys are waiting what other rituals do you have? So if you're like dancing in the morning ritual to try to jazz yourself up, like what are your other that's really a good question.

[31:34] Jennifer Elise Cox: That's a good question. I always have to scrub because my skin is flaky. Like I do the scrub and then it wakes you up. You do one of those, like you know, with ice cubes. Sometimes I do the Joan Crawford like a little pain in the morning.

[31:49] Dana Craig: Yeah, a little pain.

[31:53] Jennifer Elise Cox: A little mommy dear. That gets you going. That gets you like ready to go. But I'm so bad, you guys. During the pandemic, I'm such a lush. I do the rosé all day. I do have rosé all day.

[32:07] Dana Craig: Please. Let's can we do a slight pivot? Maybe this goes with rosé. Do you also play poker?

[32:13] Jennifer Elise Cox: Whilst drinking amazing. But I have to try to not know.

[32:20] Dana Craig: Oh, absolutely.

[32:21] Jennifer Elise Cox: I love poker. And it's something that I started doing, and it's actually it's really good for artists, I think, because it gets you out of your head. You're just like concentrating on cards and you can make a little money. And because no one thinks that I'm a good poker player, I make money.

[32:48] Jennifer Elise Cox: Like I really know what I'm doing, but no one thinks I know. And they and some people will know that I know it, and they forget when they sit down with me. So I can do a little side hustle, make a little money. It really is a gift, and it's fun.

[33:03] Dana Craig: What a it's so much fun. What is your advice to new poker players?

[33:08] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, I would say that's a really good question. Just look stupid like me I would say get as much dye your hair blonde. Like put your tits out, be drinking, and like they will like it will fall into your lap. It will fall into your lap. But I would say um really really take as many classes as you can and really read up but then that it's like acting then you have to forget about everything you kind of have to forget about everything. But you have to you have to have like you have to know what you're doing and then figure out excuse me bless you figure out what your trick is like what will get people to like you know lose their money to you it's it's really fun. You gotta get a gimmick right out of my mouth gotta get a gimmick.

[34:04] Jennifer Elise Cox: You know like every drag queen has a gimmick they have to and I love drag queens and drag queens have just gotten more fabulous. I don't know. It's great.

[34:12] Dana Craig: RuPaul, you've worked with RuPaul twice.

[34:15] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yes, so lucky too that's and the first time I worked with RuPaul had not really been on a set really I mean had done the music video but like that's how long ago it was and um I was such a fan of Ru but like everyone in the set they didn't know who Ru was it was weird. I'm like how do you not know RuPaul? You know but they didn't know then but everybody knows now what a sweetheart.

[34:47] Dana Craig: Every like I was a kid on the lower east side I know I know come on question I couldn't believe they didn't know.

[34:56] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh my question was just another broad strokes like I we touched on this a little bit and derailed, but just some of your favorite plays that you saw a lot growing up, and you've certainly kept your finger on the pulse since going west. But like what are your favorite shows? What are some dream roles? What are some oh my things you'd love to do?

[35:14] Jennifer Elise Cox: This is a great question. Um I still I remember a lot of the old school. I mean, Annie changed my life. Annie was like a phenomenon. I mean, and I would love I mean maybe I could play Mrs. Hannigan now. I'm too old to be an orphan. I would love to play Mrs. Hannigan again. But I mean, I loved Annie. Oh my god. And you know what had a big impression on me, and I don't think I will get cast in it, but maybe if I wore a wig or something, Fiddler on the Roof, I think is like the most incredible musical, right? Classic, Godspell. I like all those classic, classic shows.

[35:56] Jennifer Elise Cox: I was a nerd when I came out here. I did a lot of Shakespeare plays. So you can see people don't want to come see you though. Let's face it, like I love doing Shakespeare, but no one wants to come watch you do. I would look out to audiences and they would be asleep. Oh, but I will tell you my favorite playwright who I've worked with is um this woman, her name is Annie Weissman, and she created the show Physical on um Apple TV with um Rose Byrne. Oh, and I I was in I was in all of her plays. Her plays are amazing. I keep telling her I wish I mean I think she they're doing the second season of that, but like she was saying that maybe we might do another play of hers. She's brilliant. She writes for women so well.

[36:47] Dana Craig: Oh wow.

[36:48] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, very cool. Oh, I'm just like googling her, and like all of her plays are coming up. She's like a good look at her glasses.

[36:55] Dana Craig: Yeah, she's amazing.

[36:57] Jennifer Elise Cox: Very cool. Look at her glasses. I did a play of hers that was called Be Aggressive about Cheerleaders. It was it was the funniest play. I had the funniest part. It was so much fun. She's brilliant. Her plays are brilliant.

[37:12] Dana Craig: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[37:15] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, I'd love to see you in that.

[37:16] Dana Craig: Oh my god. Just selfishly.

[37:19] Jennifer Elise Cox: I like the funny girl too.

[37:21] Dana Craig: Yeah, selfishly.

[37:23] Jennifer Elise Cox: Mm-hmm.

[37:23] Dana Craig: Yeah. We all have to be a little more selfish. It's good.

[37:26] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah.

[37:28] Dana Craig: It's important.

[37:30] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah. Do you guys go out in New York? Are there places to go out? Like now.

[37:35] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah.

[37:40] Dana Craig: Yeah. We're in like I feel like we're still in like a weird transitional phase with COVID where some places and things feel better than others.

[37:50] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah. Certainly like with anything organized, like an organized hang can sometimes feel weird because you feel like if you're organizing it and someone gets COVID, it's your fault.

[38:01] Dana Craig: Totally responsible.

[38:02] Jennifer Elise Cox: But if like you all just happen to be at the same bar, then it's oh I ran into you and it's nobody's fault.

[38:10] Dana Craig: No press. We were talking about this at the theater, like, you know, so much of working in theater is the social stuff. It's the it's the Saturday night on Broadway drink after the show. It's uh there's you know, Broadway cares events and it's it's the other stuff. You know, your your show is your job, and it's the other stuff that makes us a greater community, right?

[38:32] Jennifer Elise Cox: Right, right.

[38:33] Dana Craig: And all of that stuff hasn't come back yet. So we're all very much in work mode.

[38:38] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, I hope it comes back. Cause it does seem right now like it's all work and no fun.

[38:44] Dana Craig: We need more fun.

[38:46] Jennifer Elise Cox: A little bit.

[38:48] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[38:49] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah, I'm hoping that this summer can can be that. We're you know, mass mandates continuing to uh what have a a larger margin of acceptability. Um the weather's turning. New Yorkers are good with being outside.

[39:07] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[39:08] Jennifer Elise Cox: And are resilient take to a park. It's basic. Come on.

[39:14] Dana Craig: I love it.

[39:16] Jennifer Elise Cox: Come on. Come on. We'll be all right. We'll be all right. Uh you know, I think for the first time since reopening, it's been what, like eight or nine months now since shows started to come back. It's people are starting to feel, oh, okay. Now we're back. Thank god that the honeymoon phase of being back is I don't want to say over, but we're used to it. And we're in show mode and people are starting to, you know, take their first vacation of the year and I love it.

[39:42] Dana Craig: I love it.

[39:44] Jennifer Elise Cox: Are you gonna take a vacation?

[39:46] Dana Craig: Certainly nothing coming up.

[39:47] Jennifer Elise Cox: Okay.

[39:48] Dana Craig: Not yet.

[39:49] Jennifer Elise Cox: He is a busy boy.

[39:50] Dana Craig: Yeah. I gotta know where to be.

[39:54] Jennifer Elise Cox: He's he's on that eight show a week uh schedule.

[39:58] Dana Craig: Yeah, that's no joke.

[39:59] Jennifer Elise Cox: That schedule is. It is brutal. It's listen, we love our jobs and we love being in that building and we love the people we work with. We better, because we're with them more than our own.

[40:12] Dana Craig: I see my partner on Mondays.

[40:14] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh my god. It's true.

[40:17] Dana Craig: And that's it. That's the day.

[40:18] Jennifer Elise Cox: Well, then here in LA, you have to drive to like, you know, South Coast rep or or San Diego and uh like uh it's ridiculous.

[40:29] Dana Craig: With the traffic too.

[40:32] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah, getting them to see Shakespeare in LA. No, they're not coming. Driving to the Shakespeare in LA. I've been unsuccessful.

[40:41] Dana Craig: But I did do a play at the Kirk Douglas Theater, which actually is around the corner from me. And that was super fun. It was Gordon Davidson's last um show that he directed, and he was amazing. And it was like a cast of like 50 of us on stage dancing. Just remember we were all like knocking into each other. It was fun. It was super fun. I loved it.

[41:07] Jennifer Elise Cox: I know that you grew up a ballerina. Is that to say?

[41:11] Dana Craig: Baller ballerina.

[41:16] Jennifer Elise Cox: One fancies oneself. Um, do you still have the dance?

[41:20] Jennifer Elise Cox: I have to dance within me. It's crazy. I have to dance every day. I don't know that it looks pretty anymore, but like I do I do like horror of like a Twilight Arp, like modern dance now, because it just suits my age.

[41:35] Dana Craig: Yes.

[41:37] Jennifer Elise Cox: But I love dance. I it's always been in my soul. Like I've always I wanted to be a dancer before an actor, but my parents really just knew it was like a short life. They were they just were like, You should be an actress, not a dancer. There's truly an expiration date. And all of my friends who are dancers all have injuries now, it's bad, like hip replacements, and oh my god.

[42:06] Dana Craig: No way.

[42:07] Jennifer Elise Cox: No way. So I'll just be dancing in my living room. I saw MJ a couple months ago, and those dancers are crushing it on stage, but I am in such fear for their bodies in the future. Cause you just at a certain point you can't do it. And you just never know when like the impact really affected you. I feel for dance like they have to come up with something where they can make dancers right. I don't know.

[42:31] Dana Craig: That's in course line right like Course line oh my god what I did for love.

[42:31] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh my god what I did for love and you know we've all done it a lot and it was not pretty listen I hear you I hear you with my my my discard baskets up up the stairs of this old old theater right the body goes through it.

[43:00] Dana Craig: It's PT PT.

[43:01] Jennifer Elise Cox: It does it does. PT is the best and swimming swimming's really good for dancers. Like swimmer I'm not very good but it's it's good rehabilitation. It's it's good. It works.

[43:15] Jennifer Elise Cox: But I danced water aerobic. I was able to get my first roles kind of dancing. Like I did a small part in the New York City ballet dancing and you know I think that's kind of how I got my start. And I used to do commercials 'cause my mom First of all there are no small parts. That's right. Only small actors. But my mom used to get me roles thank you Steven She used to get me roles um in Broadway show musical commercials. I was in a bunch of them. I was in an Annie commercial in the eighties. And I was in a big river commercial in the eighties too.

[43:55] Jennifer Elise Cox: I don't know. I mean, that's how I started. They got me my SAG card. That's my next YouTube survey. They're pretty bad. Big River commercial. It's pretty bad. We've had Broadway marketing folks as guests on here. It's a fascinating portion of the machine.

[44:17] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[44:18] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's a good one. Well, you should talk to Nancy Coyne was the one who owned this Broadway advertising company. She'd be great for your podcast. C-O-Y-N-E. Nancy. She's in New York.

[44:30] Dana Craig: Yep.

[44:30] Jennifer Elise Cox: Okay. Yep. It's still big. Yeah. She would be great. She's got stories too. They have a lot of good stories.

[44:40] Dana Craig: The 80s.

[44:41] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah, I always think of the marketing material. That's the thing people take home for free. That's the thing everybody gets to have.

[44:49] Dana Craig: Right.

[44:49] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's the visual, right? Everyone sees the show, but that is finite. The thing they take home for free is your poster. Is your program? I saved all my programs, but I can't find them. I'm bummed on my Broadway programs. I can't find them.

[45:06] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[45:08] Jennifer Elise Cox: They will turn up one day. Because you know you didn't toss them.

[45:11] Dana Craig: I couldn't.

[45:12] Jennifer Elise Cox: You know you didn't do that. So they're somewhere. Well, I'm sure for you guys, like Broadway and theater meant so much to me. I mean, it was my first love. In a way, it's like the biggest love. It's like what gets you through. Cause I was like a nerdy kid and like it just focused you and Broadway was amazing. It's magic.

[45:31] Dana Craig: It's incredible.

[45:35] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's magic. Magic happens every day at work and it's wild when you're able to catch it.

[45:42] Dana Craig: That's so great.

[45:43] Jennifer Elise Cox: I'm so happy to be able to do it.

[45:45] Dana Craig: I'm happy for you. It's so awesome.

[45:48] Jennifer Elise Cox: That's awesome. And what people are able to do live. I mean, let's not forget. It's live three times a week. That's crazy.

[45:56] Dana Craig: That's absolute lunacy.

[45:57] Jennifer Elise Cox: There I said it. Absolute lunacy.

[46:01] Dana Craig: No, it is.

[46:01] Jennifer Elise Cox: It is. And you rehearse so much to get to that point, you know. It's just, but then like something takes over. Like, it's incredible.

[46:11] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[46:11] Jennifer Elise Cox: I mean, it's live.

[46:12] Dana Craig: Yeah, yeah.

[46:13] Jennifer Elise Cox: And then there's God.

[46:15] Dana Craig: And then there's God.

[46:17] Jennifer Elise Cox: Okay. I we cannot leave. We have some other questions, but I do want to just pop in.

[46:23] Dana Craig: Yeah.

[46:23] Jennifer Elise Cox: If I may. My favorite show, I mean, of all time is Will and Grace. So formidable. It i it's still like is what what uh, you know, it it's my humor button.

[46:35] Dana Craig: Like I cre created part of the center of your baseball.

[46:40] Jennifer Elise Cox: It's the center of my baseball, you know. The line the lines are just in there.

[46:44] Dana Craig: You played Nurse Pittman iconically.

[46:48] Jennifer Elise Cox: Season two, I believe.

[46:50] Dana Craig: Oh, it's Nurse Drini Pittman.

[46:54] Jennifer Elise Cox: The blooper reel footage.

[46:56] Dana Craig: The blooper Pittman.

[46:58] Jennifer Elise Cox: It was so funny. Any Will and Grace fan. I was such a huge Will and Grace fan.

[47:05] Dana Craig: And what was so funny was that I kept rehearsing this thing, and the scene, and then they were kind of like, oh, we want you to have a lisp.

[47:16] Jennifer Elise Cox: So I had a lisp, and then they were like, Oh, we want to get you a retainer from from this guy who does the specialty orthodontics. And I was like, Oh, I know him. He did my braces for Brady Bunch.

[47:32] Dana Craig: So they call him.

[47:34] Jennifer Elise Cox: They call him. And he's like, oh, I know Jennifer. He's like, I got a mold of her mouth right here. I can make her a retainer in like two hours. Bring it down. And so I had this retainer on.

[47:46] Dana Craig: And I couldn't even tell that I had a crazy, crazy list.

[47:50] Jennifer Elise Cox: But like Deborah, she couldn't control herself. Anytime I opened my mouth, she couldn't, she couldn't, like, she couldn't. And it was so funny. And we did that until like 4 a.m. We did that scene.

[48:04] Dana Craig: And um I was really happy because my parents were there.

[48:07] Jennifer Elise Cox: And I was like, you know, every once in a while, you're like, you're like, when you do a guest, like you don't know if you're gonna have guests be able to come. And they were there and they loved it. And it was just like one of those like incredible nights.

[48:21] Dana Craig: It was and they were so funny. Sean Hayes was so sweet to me.

[48:25] Jennifer Elise Cox: He was so sweet. I mean and then I ended up working with him on the show Love Spring International that we did that was with Jane Lynch.

[48:36] Dana Craig: And um it's pretty.

[48:37] Jennifer Elise Cox: I think you guys are like Jane Lynch and Wendy McClendon Covey and like all these amazing people.

[48:43] Dana Craig: Yeah, and um Jack Plotnik, and uh who else was in it?

[48:49] Jennifer Elise Cox: Sam Pancake and um Eric McCormick, Eric McCormick produced it.

[48:49] Dana Craig: Eric McCormick produced it.

[48:57] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah, it was his company. Sam Pancake.

[49:00] Dana Craig: That is so funny.

[49:03] Jennifer Elise Cox: I I saw Out West.

[49:04] Dana Craig: Oh my god, thank you.

[49:05] Jennifer Elise Cox: I saw Out West was so funny. Amazing. And you're another one of these like loony tunes, bananas, so fun, like independent movie by your husbby.

[49:15] Dana Craig: Yes.

[49:16] Jennifer Elise Cox: Directed. Wrote, edited. Everything did the craft services.

[49:21] Dana Craig: Oh my god.

[49:22] Jennifer Elise Cox: I mean everything. I thought we were like You produced it. It was literally like we went broke after that movie. But I'm so glad that we did it because I had always wanted to do it, you know. Cause like people always say you've got to like, you know, do your own thing, make your own thing.

[49:38] Dana Craig: And um we love we love doing that.

[49:41] Jennifer Elise Cox: And um it's funny because now this new show reminds me of Out West a lot. Outer Range, the Josh Brillan. You guys would love this show. It's really good.

[49:51] Dana Craig: Oh, it just dropped, didn't it?

[49:53] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah, it's like a cowboy.

[49:56] Dana Craig: Just dropped.

[49:57] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah. But it reminds me a lot of Out West. It's funny. But anyway, we thank you for watching it. Cause not a lot of people have seen it. You know, it's one of those like labor of loves.

[50:11] Dana Craig: Totally.

[50:12] Jennifer Elise Cox: And again, you're playing this like t like titty, like you know, hair dye, like hotsi tatsy bicard plan, super fun.

[50:24] Dana Craig: So so so and Steven, you know what we love so much about First Wives Club is the opening credits that are cartoon, like a very thought out do you know what I mean?

[50:37] Jennifer Elise Cox: Like it is, yes.

[50:39] Dana Craig: So, a film, really yes.

[50:42] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh my god, I'm gonna tell my husband that you said that because he spent a lot of time on the credits and was like, you know, it was so key.

[50:51] Dana Craig: And it shows.

[50:51] Jennifer Elise Cox: I was like, okay, this is gonna be. Okay, I'm gonna tell him he'll love that.

[50:55] Dana Craig: Yeah, that was that was amazing, but it was literally like the first day we got there in Colorado, you know, it was like it was a little strange and a little bit um gay phobic where we were shooting.

[51:11] Jennifer Elise Cox: And I literally, I was like, I don't know if we're gonna get through this, but we did for you know, we did.

[51:19] Dana Craig: And that is a plot line.

[51:21] Jennifer Elise Cox: It was a plot line.

[51:23] Dana Craig: Spoiler.

[51:24] Jennifer Elise Cox: But this was like 2011, and it was different.

[51:28] Dana Craig: It was ugly so different.

[51:31] Jennifer Elise Cox: I was like, but anyway, we got through it.

[51:33] Dana Craig: We were really half a decade, maybe.

[51:35] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yes. Thank God.

[51:36] Dana Craig: Thank God for women for everybody.

[51:39] Jennifer Elise Cox: We're so spoiled being in New York in that way for sure.

[51:42] Dana Craig: No, it's true. New York or LA, you get so spoiled, you go to a different place, and it's just, you know, they're not quite as understanding, but it was the time too. But anyway, we did it.

[51:59] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh my god. And I just wanna and your character on web therapy.

[52:03] Dana Craig: Oh my god, Gina Sparks.

[52:04] Jennifer Elise Cox: Uh Gina, uh, what's so crazy? Uh web therapy was my favorite role that I've ever done, actually. And I think it's like it's due to Lisa Coudreau, because she's so talented and sweet and funny, and like it was so easy.

[52:25] Dana Craig: Like she was like she was setting me up for jokes always on that show.

[52:30] Jennifer Elise Cox: I was just like, how did I get so lucky to act with her? You know, she's amazing.

[52:35] Dana Craig: And that show, I mean, it was like chock full of celebrities.

[52:39] Jennifer Elise Cox: She was always like, Oh, hey, Jen. Have you met Billy Crystal? Do you know Billy Crystal? I'm like, no. I don't know him.

[52:46] Dana Craig: Lily Tomlin.

[52:49] Jennifer Elise Cox: Lily Tomlin. Oh my god, Lily Tomlin. She's amazing.

[52:53] Dana Craig: Oh.

[52:54] Jennifer Elise Cox: We there was a this is, I mean, this is your world.

[52:54] Dana Craig: I mean, this is your this is the world you belong in.

[53:06] Jennifer Elise Cox: But go on.

[53:08] Dana Craig: So beautiful.

[53:08] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, I just was gonna tell you about Lily Tomlin. It was fun. We went to like a rap party for uh web therapy and we ran into her, and I actually we were talking to her about um her one woman show on Broadway that we had both seen it and we loved it, and she was so cute, she was so stoned, and she's like, take some pictures with me.

[53:30] Jennifer Elise Cox: And like we literally, she had us take, she had her friend take a hundred pictures of like my mom and I and her, and I was like, oh my god, she has no idea how much this means. Like, she's incredible.

[53:30] Dana Craig: She has no idea.

[53:45] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah, I was like, I was like, I I feel happy now.

[53:50] Dana Craig: Yep, yep.

[53:52] Jennifer Elise Cox: Lily Tomlin. Oh my god, she's amazing, and she's so sweet, and she's so beautiful, she looks so young. Her and Jean Fonda.

[54:01] Dana Craig: They're so beautiful.

[54:03] Jennifer Elise Cox: They're so young, and I feel like I don't have that much energy. Uh like I want to get more energy.

[54:08] Dana Craig: Right.

[54:08] Jennifer Elise Cox: Yeah, I want to get more.

[54:13] Dana Craig: We'll find it.

[54:14] Jennifer Elise Cox: We'll find it. I'll email you.

[54:17] Dana Craig: Good.

[54:23] Jennifer Elise Cox: I'm this next question we ask all of our guests.

[54:31] Dana Craig: And I'm dying to know your answer.

[54:33] Jennifer Elise Cox: Ooh, ooh, ooh. There are seven very well-known dwarves in history. If you were the eighth dwarf, what would your name be?

[54:41] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, that's good. Um Drunky.

[54:48] Dana Craig: Steven, is that our first drunky dwarf?

[54:50] Steven Ferezy: I think it's our first drunky dwarf.

[54:51] Dana Craig: I think I've heard that yet.

[54:55] Jennifer Elise Cox: I love it. Cheers. I want to be drunk.

[54:58] Dana Craig: Next time you're in New York.

[54:59] Jennifer Elise Cox: Please.

[55:00] Jennifer Elise Cox: I love you guys. I'm so happy to talk to you. This was so much fun.

[55:05] Dana Craig: We couldn't be more honored.

[55:08] Jennifer Elise Cox: So I'm gonna cry right now. I've I've held out. Thank you so much.

[55:13] Dana Craig: Oh, and people can find you like Jennifer Lee's Cox on Instagram.

[55:17] Jennifer Elise Cox: I know you do cameos.

[55:18] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, I love doing cameos. Come on. Please.

[55:21] Dana Craig: Yes, you can dress up as Jan, and you know, you you're in this kind of paywall.

[55:28] Jennifer Elise Cox: Or you can opt for just a Jennifer Elise Cox, as is. And it's this paywall. So fun. Great, great gift. Mother's Day is coming up, y'all.

[55:39] Dana Craig: Come on.

[55:40] Jennifer Elise Cox: Come on. So is Father's Day. Mother's Day. It's such a good Mother's Day.

[55:46] Jennifer Elise Cox: Happy Mother's Day from Jan. Brady. Whose mother doesn't want Jan Brady?

[55:53] Dana Craig: Right?

[55:54] Jennifer Elise Cox: Right? I can't name one.

[55:55] Dana Craig: Can't even think of one.

[55:56] Jennifer Elise Cox: You know, I got that pricing from the soup Nazi. Because the soup Nazi, he does like, he'll put it. Did you really he'll put the coat on and it's more money?

[56:05] Dana Craig: Or the coat's off.

[56:09] Jennifer Elise Cox: I'm like, I put the wig on. I put the afro wig on and it's more money.

[56:14] Dana Craig: It's Bucks, baby.

[56:15] Jennifer Elise Cox: But if I take it off, it's less.

[56:19] Dana Craig: Oh yeah, I did have to mention it though, because you're giving you're giving options.

[56:23] Jennifer Elise Cox: You know, it's all about options.

[56:25] Dana Craig: We need options, right?

[56:28] Jennifer Elise Cox: For your cameo.

[56:34] Jennifer Elise Cox: I love you guys. Don't work too hard. Have fun in Hawaii.

[56:38] Dana Craig: Okay.

[56:39] Jennifer Elise Cox: And don't have Marcia in this show.

[56:41] Dana Craig: Marcia, Marcia, Marcia.

[56:43] Jennifer Elise Cox: She's not even on my radar.

[56:45] Dana Craig: Alright.

[56:46] Jennifer Elise Cox: Zero percent.

[56:47] Dana Craig: Who's Marsha?

[56:48] Jennifer Elise Cox: That's right.

[56:50] Dana Craig: Tune in next week where our where our guest will be George Glass.

[56:54] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh, that's a good guest.

[56:55] Dana Craig: George Glass.

[56:56] Jennifer Elise Cox: That's a good guest.

[56:58] Dana Craig: I don't know any George Glass at our skill.

[57:01] Jennifer Elise Cox: Oh my god.

[57:03] Dana Craig: That's what Marcia says.

[57:04] Jennifer Elise Cox: Skill.

[57:07] Jennifer Elise Cox: Your choices.

[57:08] Dana Craig: Your choices, though.

[57:09] Jennifer Elise Cox: I just can't.

[57:11] Jennifer Elise Cox: Divine inspiration.

[57:15] Dana Craig: We love you, Jennifer Elise Cox. Thank you for being with us.

[57:17] Jennifer Elise Cox: Love you more.

[57:19] Dana Craig: On that note, bye.

[57:22] Jennifer Elise Cox: Bye.

[57:22] Dana Craig: Bye.

[57:30] Steven Ferezy: In the Room with Stephen and Dana is produced by Stephen Ferrasie.

[57:34] Dana Craig: And Dana Craig.

[57:36] Steven Ferezy: Special thanks to Joel Wagoner for tinkling the ivories on our theme song. Hit him up at Joel Wagoner.com.

[57:42] Dana Craig: We apologize.

[57:44] Steven Ferezy: And you're welcome.

[57:45] Dana Craig: We'd also like to thank Jesse Wiener, W I E N E R, for our jazzy original music sprinkled throughout each episode. You can find him at jessewiener.com.

[57:56] Steven Ferezy: Last but certainly not least, we'd like to thank Kevin Thomas Garcia for taking all of our ridiculous photos. You can find him online at ktgnyc.com.

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[58:23] Steven Ferezy: And thank you so much for listening.

[58:25] Dana Craig: Thank you so much.