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[0:03] Josh Lamon: Josh Follows, Josh Bottles, Josh Swallows.

[0:11] Josh Lamon: Just bumbles, Josh Fallos, Just Ballers Go away.

[0:22] Josh Lamon: Hello!

[0:25] Wesley Taylor: Hello, Alan.

[0:26] Josh Lamon: You look beautiful tonight.

[0:28] Wesley Taylor: Thank you.

[0:28] Wesley Taylor: I showered this week.

[0:29] Josh Lamon: Well, isn't that nice?

[0:31] Wesley Taylor: I actually showered too.

[0:32] Josh Lamon: And look at my beard.

[0:33] Wesley Taylor: It's really coming in nicely.

[0:35] Josh Lamon: I was just thinking about that. I've never seen you with facial hair.

[0:38] Wesley Taylor: You look mighty svelt.

[0:40] Josh Lamon: Well, fucking thanks. I think I'm gonna get a lot of uh what what are the kids? Self tapes for fucking Hitler now.

[0:46] Wesley Taylor: Some self tapes give me your best Tevia.

[0:49] Josh Lamon: Yeah. Um, hi everybody at home, my my little Broadway swallowing bitches. How y'all doing? It's day 97 of quarantine, and everything is good here in Queens.

[1:02] Josh Lamon: Um tonight's show is gonna be really fucking excited. Uh it's gonna be excited. Uh great. Um, it's gonna be exciting. Um, INDOOR BOYS. I binged it again. I've seen the series, I think three times in a in like in my lifetime. It's so good.

[1:18] Josh Lamon: And um, some of my favorite actors, and one that I've never really met in person, uh, Veanne Cox is here, and that's really exciting to me. Um, but I'll get into that later. And um some of you might know that I got really bored this week and started doing the hashtag astonishing challenge.

[1:38] Josh Lamon: I love this. It's so dumb. And it's just like with a cast a prom and basically right now, and basically I challenge them to stay at home and take singing lessons with the phantom by doing the last 16 bars of Astonishing. And as promised, I am debuting the video of Izzy with her astonishing challenge.

[2:02] Josh Lamon: We might have a bump in this. We don't normally do live casts because we do other things. Well, the limitation of the platform says you can only do 30-second clips. So I chop our 60-second clip into two parts. So but it'll be posted on you know Insta Insta shit after this.

[2:20] Josh Lamon: Okay, here we go. Astonishing.

[2:33] ♪ Musical number: "Astonishing" — performed by Izzy ♪

[3:25] Josh Lamon: Oh my god! Stop! At last! Okay, we get it. You look really familiar.

[3:36] Wesley Taylor: Sorry. I clicked the wrong button.

[3:38] Josh Lamon: Yeah, yeah, you fucked up a few times. If we weren't in quarantine, I'd hire other producers.

[3:43] Wesley Taylor: Um, there are gay ones?

[3:47] Josh Lamon: Yeah. People make better producers. Listen, I'm lonely, and these lips are an essential service right now. Okay, but um, thank you all for being here. We're getting ready to start the show.

[3:59] Josh Lamon: Um, again, all these live casts are free. They are Wednesday nights and Saturday nights at 9 p.m. If you would like to support the show, no pressure, but if you would like to, please check out our Patreon. That's Patreon.com slash Josh Swallows Broadway.

[4:14] Josh Lamon: Next Wednesday at 9 p.m., we're gonna be doing a little prom party with Caitlin Kanunin, Izzy Michaela, Courtney Collins, who was playing the Phantom, and Anthony Norman. In the meantime, let's go swallow some of my favorite performers on the planet and people. Bye, Alan. Go away.

[4:39] Josh Lamon: Yay! Hi, my babies.

[4:44] Josh Lamon: Hi. Oh my gosh. So in in my window, it goes Wesley next to me, right there, and then Carolee, right gal, and then right now is Veanne Cox, and right now is Alex Wyse. Hi, friends.

[5:03] Alex Wyse: Hi.

[5:03] Josh Lamon: Hi guys. How's everybody doing?

[5:08] Wesley Taylor: Good.

[5:08] Alex Wyse: Is there something going on in the world?

[5:10] Wesley Taylor: A lot of self-tapes.

[5:13] Alex Wyse: Yeah. A lot of self tapes. Today I made five for Titanic, and I think I'm gonna get them.

[5:20] Wesley Taylor: Congrats.

[5:20] Alex Wyse: Yeah, no, they're all immersive productions on Zoom.

[5:26] Carolee Carmello: Yes, Alyssa, Carolee's hair is still perfection.

[5:30] Carolee Carmello: I actually took a shower and washed my hair today. So thank you for noticing, Alyssa.

[5:35] Josh Lamon: What about my hair?

[5:38] Wesley Taylor: So if we could just Wes, if we could just, you know, take you know, take that out.

[5:44] Alex Wyse: Oh, I like Cindy Lou Who.

[5:45] Wesley Taylor: Oh no, I'm keeping it.

[5:47] Alex Wyse: I was saying it reminds me of Bam Bam or one of the not Fraggle, but what were they called?

[5:53] Wesley Taylor: The Flintstones?

[5:54] Alex Wyse: Yeah, Bam Bam.

[5:56] Wesley Taylor: Is it Bam Bam?

[5:57] Alex Wyse: It's Bam Bam. Pebbles.

[5:59] Wesley Taylor: It's Pebbles, it's Pebbles.

[6:00] Alex Wyse: Yeah, you're a little pebbles. Um so friends, I binged your show again for the third time today. Um it's really fucking remarkable.

[6:12] Carolee Carmello: Thank you, Josh.

[6:13] Alex Wyse: It's an Alex.

[6:15] Alex Wyse: Um good. I I didn't I can't take any credit, but these no.

[6:21] Carolee Carmello: You can take some credit.

[6:23] Alex Wyse: I love that Caroline gets her character name.

[6:26] Carolee Carmello: Caroline gets her character name, but none of us nobody else does.

[6:30] Alex Wyse: Oh, because my producer is stupid.

[6:33] Carolee Carmello: Oh, you did that your you did that yourself.

[6:39] Alex Wyse: Yeah.

[6:39] Carolee Carmello: Oh my god, look at Alan, he's crying.

[6:42] Josh Lamon: Josh, be nicer to him.

[6:43] Josh Lamon: Listen, I normally believe in corporal punishment, but right now I can't hit him from Queens.

[6:50] Wesley Taylor: He's in Brooklyn.

[6:51] Alex Wyse: I just love imagining Carolee being like as a three-time Tony nominee. Like, no one's gonna know who I am. I need to like make sure that I put my character name next to my name, so people will recognize me.

[7:05] Carolee Carmello: Exactly.

[7:05] Josh Lamon: But you're one of the most important parts. You're one of the most important parts of the entire show.

[7:09] Carolee Carmello: Oh the heart and the pathos.

[7:12] Josh Lamon: Oh, she's so good. I love her. Both of you. I'm talking about her like she's not even here. I love Carolee. I love her. She's a great show.

[7:25] Wesley Taylor: But both of you, as the moms, I mean, it was perfect casting, including the little kids that you found to play yourselves. Like that kid from Bolshevik.

[7:25] Alex Wyse: I mean, it was spooky how dead on it was, but also how dead on it is you as parents also is with Michael as your father.

[7:45] Wesley Taylor: Uh Michael uh Kostroff.

[7:48] Alex Wyse: He's so funny. He's such a genius. And um amazing actor. I so many of the people on the everybody who's been on this show is so great, and we're just really thankful that we've had all these awesome people who we look up to and admire, and and and we got to write for them and bring them into this little indoor world, and uh we all just got to be funny and you know, do something that felt really special together.

[8:15] Josh Lamon: But you guys, it wouldn't be anything without the writing and directing that you guys both did. It's it's you know, actors schmackters. We we just are only as good as the material.

[8:27] Carolee Carmello: Well, I really believe that.

[8:29] Alex Wyse: Wow, um Josh can tell you about believe.

[8:33] Josh Lamon: Oh god, much you can do. There was only so much we could do with that one, huh?

[8:40] Carolee Carmello: She's talking about finding neverland, but she's talking about that's right.

[8:47] Alex Wyse: That's where Josh and Caroline uh were where you guys met.

[8:51] Carolee Carmello: Became lovers.

[8:54] Josh Lamon: We met at Harvard, that's what we should say.

[8:57] Wesley Taylor: Well, at the time I had this business called the naughty Nanas, where I would cross stitch horrible things that would say, like, go fuck yourself, or like, you are the C-word.

[9:09] Carolee Carmello: Like you are uh for that.

[9:10] Alex Wyse: I remember that.

[9:11] Carolee Carmello: But it would look really beautiful.

[9:13] Wesley Taylor: Yeah.

[9:13] Alex Wyse: And the first conversation that I think I had with you was during one of the 8,000 workshops of that show. And you sat down with me, and I was making a beautiful, beautiful one with bunnies and hearts that said, You are a C-word.

[9:29] Carolee Carmello: And you were like, Well, that's really beautiful. You make many of those.

[9:36] Alex Wyse: And I was like, You don't gnaw this twist stitch. You don't know a thing.

[9:44] Carolee Carmello: Oh my god, which just reminds me of one of the days that we were on set, just you singing that. reminds me of one of the days we were on set, and we had like a little technical snafu and we had some time to kill.

[10:02] Alex Wyse: And there were a few people on our crew who were the last day of filming. It was the last day. And there were a few people like our sound op Vera, and there was uh our best boy, this guy Ryan, who didn't know everyone in the cast, they didn't know their careers, and we thought it would be really fun to play for all the non-theater people in the room. Um everyone's like music, everyone's cast album sort of highlights.

[10:23] Wesley Taylor: So we went through the cast and we're like, we're like, this is Carolee, this is Krista, this is Isaac, this is and we just like went through the cast and like like exploited their music, and we did a long distance call. Thank god, I was about to end it.

[10:38] Veanne Cox: Oh, that's nice. It's your new southern daughter, it's Rose. Everything's fine here, I suppose. Yes. Um, when that was running in New York, I had no money. I was living in a shitbox. Literally, the bathroom ceiling caved in. And I got the super to come to the apartment, and I was like, you have to fix this. And he was like, I don't see a problem. Sir. And he's like, yes, it is. That was how they were dealing with it. I was working three jobs. It was a nightmare. And I would have my CD Walkman with me because I spent like some of the last dollars I had to see Carolina change. Like again. And um, I totally because I don't know if you know this, but I am a single black mother of four children. Um, no, I'm not, but um, I just it just I was so angry, and it really did touch me in so many ways.

And I also view it as like a suntime piece where it takes theater and it pushes it forward. Yeah, it moves it, it elevates it. And um, that Tony year, I was very upset. But anyway, um, I would be on the subway and I'd be like, take Joshua away, I can't afford him. Um, but uh, you know, Tanya, Tanya, she made us all feel like a mother of four in this in the south as a maid. She gave such a powerful performance that she made us all understand what that felt like.

[12:29] Josh Lamon: I thought, yeah. It was such a, I mean, the show is I'm so blessed. It's perfect, but they're blessed too because you took a part that was so extraordinary that was so hilarious, but it wasn't like the comedy relief, it was just this poor woman trying her best, and that scene when you're like when you have that like flip out in your head, and you're like Miss Krabby Appleton, I don't know what's killing you. Just trying to be a friendly. It was just so wonderful.

[13:12] Josh Lamon: I was, uh, Casey Levy was on the show the other day, who I fucking love, and we were talking about because she's playing the part in the revival, how hard it was for her to go from Elsa singing to this show, and it made me so, it gave me endless laughter for about two days running around my apartment being Elsa as Rose Stopnik. Oh god, you know, like hello, it's May, wow, you know, it just I don't believe in women.

[13:46] Carolee Carmello: Well she's, she's so, she's wonderful. It couldn't, it wouldn't be able to happen the other way around for me though, because I certainly couldn't. Can you imagine, yes? Me singing Frozen. Hello, I would love to see that right now.

[14:02] Josh Lamon: Oh my god. I'm ready to next. If you're not the next Elsa, like here in New York, not on tour. I want you in New York because I want to be friends. Um, and I've actually rewritten Carolina Change, but now it's about me. It's like I got two cats. A quarantine. I had to get anyway. It's really good. And then my ring light comes to life because of all the self-tapes. You know, it's I don't have any self-tapes. It's like, what jobs are you on the tape for right now? Or like I had to do a self-tape. I'm like, for fucking what? For what?

[14:51] Carolee Carmello: Listen, I've never been happier in my life to not have to do any self-tapes. I am so, I'm thrilled. I'm so thrilled. Today was the first day that I felt like Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone. Like I woke up on day 87 and I was like, wait a minute, I don't have to do anything. It was nice. Don't get me wrong. I'm I am very upset for our community that we no longer have opportunities. It's horrific, but we have to not have to put myself on tape.

[15:30] Wesley Taylor: Which I don't like. I don't like, and I don't get jobs. I don't think anyone does. I think I think they mock us. Yeah, it's just, it's just for their fun. Yeah, no, no, they make us do it so they can delete it, so they can not watch it. That's the idea, I think. Right, right. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I sort of want to start a casting company. Alex knows this about me because I think we FaceTime quite often and it's healthy, but um, I just want people to do Bella's monologue in act one and act two from Lost and Yonkers for me. So important. Everyone, I want everyone to do it.

[16:05] Josh Lamon: Let's hear some of it, Josh, because I know you have it in you. Do you know what it's like to touch steel, Mom? That happened. That went too much for that way too. And it's cold, and I want to be warm and soft with my babies. Let me have babies, because I gotta have something that'll let me back before I die. Girthella, how happy that'll make Louie, Louie, Jay Artie. You said that you begged me up. Mama, let me have babies. Some money old me.

[16:37] Carolee Carmello: Oh my god. I haven't got a little tear going. Equity works. Make a donation to the actor's fund if you like that monologue. And by actors' funds, I mean my Venmo. Um if you if Alan's recording this, you can actually use that as an audition, you know.

[16:54] Wesley Taylor: Good idea. Self-taped on. Yeah, it's a new production. They're like, we're looking for a fat Jewish male to play Bella. We are doing, it's very edgy. And we're looking for musicians to play Gert and Louie. They will not speak. And we are looking for blind actors to play Jay and Artie, and you know. And we are looking for a toddler without limbs. Grandma.

[17:26] Josh Lamon: Veanne, you're just, you know, no stone left unturned, really. I'm a wonderful person, and we are going to be dear friends. As a matter of fact, I'm next door.

[17:42] Veanne Cox: Where are you, Josh? Actually, where are you?

[17:46] Josh Lamon: Oh, I'm at home.

[17:48] Veanne Cox: Okay. Where are you? Where's your cat?

[17:50] Carolee Carmello: Um, they're sleeping in the guest room where I've been sleeping. My therapist says that's normal right now. So yay.

[18:00] Josh Lamon: I'm, why is that? I really don't know. At first, my cats were sleeping in there, and one night I was like super sad. And kids at home, my loves. Right now, when you're feeling super sad, you're fucking nailing it because things are scary right now. So when you feel sad, don't feel bad about it. Feel sad. That's totally cool. So I was feeling sad, and I was like, I want to sleep with my fucking cats because I need cuddles, and right now I can't put them down and get new ones. And so you know what I mean? You know what I mean?

[18:35] Alex Wyse: Exactly, Alex. So what would this quarantine be without those cats? It would be really fucking hard. I really have no cats, I have no, I don't have anything.

[18:46] Veanne Cox: Yeah, and V and Vienn, you don't, you don't watch TV. You don't have TV. When I went to your apartment, I was gobsmacked by the fact that there's not even a television set at all.

[18:57] Carolee Carmello: That's wonderful.

[18:58] Veanne Cox: No, I really enjoy staring at the ceiling. I mean, my entire apartment is a television. Like I just all I do is television.

[19:07] Josh Lamon: No, I mean I have an internet, obviously, because that's where I'm coming to you from. And are you Netflixing and chilling?

[19:15] Veanne Cox: Yeah, yeah. I read the New York Times. I listen to NPR.

[19:20] Josh Lamon: You can't read the New York Times and listen to NPR all day though. You know, you know.

[19:23] Veanne Cox: No, no, you can't. You can't. So this is what I'm doing. Oh god, I can't believe I'm sharing this. It's not pleased.

[19:31] Veanne Cox: Puzzles. Yes. I'm doing a puzzle with a hundred reindeer that look exactly the same. And I could kill my sister for giving me this puzzle. Because the coronavirus has taken a second place in my frustration.

[19:44] Carolee Carmello: Yeah. Seriously, it's taken over my, you know, the age. Charlie, what about you? What are you doing at Panama?

[19:50] Wesley Taylor: My laptop is sitting on a stack of puzzle boxes right now to give it a little light. We've gone through, uh, my kids are here, so um I have some help and I have some people to cuddle with. Um yeah, we love the puzzles.

[20:05] Carolee Carmello: Yeah, and I have to say that you know, I'm, I we're so lucky as actors, even though we don't have work right now, but we're we're used to this kind of periods of nothingness.

[20:16] Wesley Taylor: Yeah.

[20:17] Carolee Carmello: Um, at least I am. I don't know.

[20:19] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, I've rehearsed this for years.

[20:21] Carolee Carmello: Yeah, yeah. I have said right, I've said the same thing, like being an actor, I feel like um we've all practiced that we've all lost jobs so many times. We've all done nothing for extended periods of time. So I know this is like this is unimaginably terrible what's happening right now, but at least I feel like we've sort of built up some of the tools with which we can deal with parts of it.

[20:45] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, we also know that things do come back. Things take time and we can't see the future, but they do, and hopefully we can spread that to other people in our lives that are not used to the experience of you know, just having to marinate in the hall.

[21:08] Carolee Carmello: I always say, like, when one door closes, another opens, it's just held in the hallway. And right now we're in a very long fucking hallway. And you know, that's uncomfortable, and that's totally okay.

[21:22] Josh Lamon: Um, are you all like FaceTiming a lot? So Alex and I meet, Alex and I meet once a day to write. And that's something that like I, I'm not saying that to brag about our productivity. I'm saying it like there is, there was a, when Broadway shut down. I mean, coronavirus has been a thing for months now, but when Broadway shut down was like the first time I felt like within our community and in New York, it felt like a real, this was, this is gonna affect all of our lives. This is a game changer, this is a moment.

[21:53] Wesley Taylor: And um, and Isaac came down. Uh, I by the way, hi. I'm in Greensboro, North Carolina, um, calling in from um his parents' house uh in the country.

[22:07] Carolee Carmello: What? Would you tell him that we said hi?

[22:09] Wesley Taylor: Well, obviously. Um, but we uh he escaped down here as soon as Broadway shut down, and Assassins was still in rehearsals for like another week or a handful of days before we shut down, and then I just grabbed a rental car and came down here. But that first week of I felt paralyzed by like I couldn't stop watching the news and I couldn't focus on anything other than what was happening in the world.

[22:36] Alex Wyse: And Alex was like, all right, it's time to let's get to work. You know, let's like not let's not let this let's let's use this time. Let's capitalize on this. And um, I was resistant at first. I was just like, I no, I need to be able to just sit here and be in this. Like I didn't, I was resisting productivity because I felt like I don't know, I wasn't ready for it, you know. But then I finally um I finally you know met up with him one day on FaceTime and that and we haven't stopped really since it's been every day for about three hours. We're we're writing a new project, and that three hours a day is like very significantly helpful for my mental space and my sense of peace.

[23:22] Wesley Taylor: And um, but but also that is also to say that like you don't have to write and you don't have to be productive, and it is very okay to sit in take stock of your life and gain perspective and sit in the stillness like that. Everyone should be doing that.

[23:40] Carolee Carmello: Babe, like you you run your own journey, and I'm so glad I'm not Isaac, because remember when we went played fiancés in Little Miss Sunshine, yeah, you were busy with it could be worse, and I have to write it and produce it, and I just wanted hugs. I just wanted to play, I wanted to show you my characters, yeah. And I have a lot of characters, I call it spirit. Spirit comes to me, and you get to meet my characters.

[24:13] Veanne Cox: And Alan, is there a picture of me trying to get Wesley to play with me?

[24:17] Josh Lamon: Yeah, I'm sure there is.

[24:20] Wesley Taylor: Oh yeah. That was that was pretty much every day.

[24:24] Josh Lamon: That was every day. I was very lonely during that run. You know that.

[24:29] Wesley Taylor: Yeah.

[24:30] Josh Lamon: And that's why it didn't work.

[24:32] Wesley Taylor: Yes.

[24:33] Josh Lamon: And that's why it didn't work. That's why I didn't go to Broadway because they didn't believe the secondary characters were involved romantically. You understand?

[24:44] Wesley Taylor: Well, well, we were, to be to be fair, we were involved romantically.

[24:48] Josh Lamon: We were indeed. Yeah. Because we're professionals. And that's what people do.

[24:58] Wesley Taylor: That's what people do.

[25:00] Wesley Taylor: So how did INDOOR BOYS fucking start? Like how did you two meet? So Wes and I knew each other socially through the theater scene for many years, but then we were both in Los Angeles in 2017 doing different projects, and we started hanging out more regularly and kind of realized, oh, we have a really great rapport and we should make something. We're both creative people. We both—so we tried basically. Wes brought me this sketch that he had written for something else, and we kind of turned it into what became the pilot of INDOOR BOYS. We didn't know if this was going to be just like a standalone sketch or what it was, but we made this four-minute short and we had a really great time making it, and then we thought, what if we made another?

And we just kind of kept going. So we were a little directionless at the beginning, just trying to figure out reasons that we could like get our friends in a storyline with us, and then as it went, it kind of took on a shape, and we were able to flesh out the world and bring in these two—three, excuse me—genius actors that we have here.

[26:14] Carolee Carmello: Oh, shut up.

[26:15] Wesley Taylor: Those of you who haven't seen season three, Josh makes a ridiculous cameo that basically steals the season.

[26:23] Josh Lamon: That's not true, but it is a ridiculous cameo.

[26:27] Wesley Taylor: I think that your two hours on set or an hour and a half or whatever were perhaps the most I laughed in the entire eight days.

[26:37] Josh Lamon: That's a lot to me. I mean, we have some videos. I mean, I still have some videos saved on my phone of us recording us filming your coverage behind the cameras and just us like crying laughing.

[26:50] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, I have a photo on my phone of just Wes on the floor laughing while we were editing.

[26:55] Josh Lamon: That sounds right.

[26:57] Wesley Taylor: Here it is. This is a photo of watching Josh's footage.

[27:06] Wesley Taylor: And that's when we were editing you. That's when we were going through all of your takes.

[27:10] Josh Lamon: Oh, oh my gosh. So any—so I guess—

[27:26] Wesley Taylor: Like I—it never occurs to me. I think it's so amazing that you can—

[27:46] Wesley Taylor: That's honestly the reason that the three of you are in this. Each one of your roles was written specifically for you. What can we do to get them in this series and work with them? That's what we want. And I didn't know Veanne and Alex didn't really know Carolee, but we had both worked with the other, and so we both had suggested the other for each other's moms.

[28:07] Wesley Taylor: Um, as it worked out.

[28:08] Josh Lamon: So well, hey, Alan, there's some incredible clips of Carolee and Veanne. Could we—can we see them in action? Because I just love them.

[28:16] Wesley Taylor: Well, I just want to say to our two moms, hi guys, and well, remind me where the bedroom is.

[28:27] Veanne Cox: Why?

[28:27] Josh Lamon: I need to refold your clothes.

[28:29] Veanne Cox: Oh, yes, naturally. So as I'm sure you've probably gathered, you'll be living with a gay couple.

[28:34] Carolee Carmello: Oh, what gave it away?

[28:37] Veanne Cox: He says it was the picture of Laura Dern in our Craigslist.

[28:41] Carolee Carmello: Is she a gay?

[28:42] Veanne Cox: So walk me through what you like to do in the shower.

[28:49] Carolee Carmello: Nathaniel, dear.

[28:51] Veanne Cox: Well, my figure resembles Vivian Leigh's.

[28:57] Carolee Carmello: And this morning we reached a rather difficult passage in my novel.

[29:00] Veanne Cox: Oh, you're writing a novel.

[29:03] Carolee Carmello: Well, rewriting one.

[29:05] Veanne Cox: Oh, Jonathan Franzen could use a woman's touch.

[29:14] Josh Lamon: Oh my god, Alan, where's the one of Carolee doing yoga?

[29:18] Wesley Taylor: Oh god, that is.

[29:20] Carolee Carmello: It's so funny.

[29:21] Wesley Taylor: Oh, it's my favorite.

[29:23] Carolee Carmello: Oh well. Uh oh, oh I'm getting there.

[29:27] Wesley Taylor: Luke, can we talk?

[29:30] Carolee Carmello: We're in the zone.

[29:31] Wesley Taylor: Which zone?

[29:32] Carolee Carmello: The ozone.

[29:34] Wesley Taylor: That makes no sense.

[29:35] Carolee Carmello: It's our mantra. I'll show you how we thought of it.

[29:38] Wesley Taylor: Oh.

[29:41] Carolee Carmello: Because it's not like an ozone like the atmosphere.

[29:44] Wesley Taylor: I get it. Your mom's a beast.

[29:46] Carolee Carmello: Oh, because when I stretch, I go, oh, it goes on and it continues to be funny for like 10 minutes.

[30:03] Wesley Taylor: It's so—we knew each other before we filmed that scene. It's so brilliant.

[30:11] Carolee Carmello: Oh, so good. Their relationship, their relationship. Well, us—all of the relationships in the thing are just so beautifully rendered, but I do have to say the two of you just kill me.

[30:22] Wesley Taylor: Your y'all's relationship is just incredibly—

[30:30] Carolee Carmello: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[30:31] Wesley Taylor: Yeah. I mean the director for that scene—do we—did we not have one for that?

[30:38] Carolee Carmello: But um, you know, I think our bond beyond—well, there was one time in season two, I think we were—you know, the scene is over, but you keep the camera rolling just in case anything happens. And we just—there was one moment where I'm supposed to be flirting with his mom. I see her for the first time in a year. It was the first Luke and Ellen scene, and we just like after the scene was over, we just started kissing. Like it just felt right, you know.

[31:08] Wesley Taylor: Um, next season.

[31:11] Carolee Carmello: No, yeah.

[31:12] Wesley Taylor: It's in the blue—you and Caroline.

[31:14] Carolee Carmello: What did you—Wes, what did you and Caroline do together?

[31:17] Wesley Taylor: I forget.

[31:17] Wesley Taylor: A little show called The Addams Family back in 2010.

[31:21] Carolee Carmello: Yes.

[31:22] Wesley Taylor: That's right. I knew that.

[31:23] Wesley Taylor: And Wesley politician.

[31:26] Carolee Carmello: With a Nate Lane, with a Joe Lane, yeah.

[31:29] Wesley Taylor: His real name is Joe, you know.

[31:31] Carolee Carmello: Yeah, I know.

[31:32] Wesley Taylor: I not really, but yeah.

[31:34] Wesley Taylor: And then how do you know Alex?

[31:36] Josh Lamon: Hey, real quick, guys. I also have the clip of Josh.

[31:40] Wesley Taylor: Oh, I gathered this.

[31:45] Wesley Taylor: Watch this.

[31:48] Josh Lamon: It's been a long time since I've been touched by anyone. I'm being adopted. You can imagine I have abandonment issues. I said there. It's out on the table. We're gonna get to know each other, so you might as well not know. The thing about my body, it has movement in it. And I have love to give people—at least it's not the really crazy stuff, huh?

[32:22] Wesley Taylor: I did the slightly—I picked the one that was where you weren't talking about like identifying as a baby.

[32:22] Josh Lamon: As a baby.

[32:31] Wesley Taylor: Or like shitting in the shower. I was like, you know.

[32:34] Josh Lamon: Yeah.

[32:35] Wesley Taylor: Well, folks at home, if you really want to see those parts, I can't wait for you to binge it. And you really should because it's a great show. I mean, Josh is the star of the blooper reel.

[32:45] Wesley Taylor: Totally.

[32:46] Carolee Carmello: Oh my god. You and Kathy Fitzgerald.

[32:49] Wesley Taylor: Oh god.

[32:50] Carolee Carmello: Oh genius.

[32:53] Wesley Taylor: You know.

[32:54] Wesley Taylor: The book club scene. I mean, Kathy also had the entire set in stitches when we shot the book club scene. Just—she was just outrageous.

[33:03] Carolee Carmello: The actress that—Patrika? Is that her name?

[33:06] Wesley Taylor: Uh, Patrica Darbo.

[33:08] Carolee Carmello: Yeah, so I know Patricia because we were on Bold and Beautiful together. And so I—yeah, no, please stop. And so she was—you know, we were in like every scene together on that show, and she was funny and kooky and southern, and so Wes and I were like, how do we fit this wonderful, wonderful person into our world? So she's also been yet another joy of this whole process for three years.

[33:37] Wesley Taylor: Now this is probably a dumb question.

[33:40] Carolee Carmello: She's in LA, so how did you film her for the third season?

[33:43] Wesley Taylor: And to answer your next question, yes, she was in Speed 2: Cruise Control. Um, just don't want to get it out of the way. Um, that um—we filmed before I came to—I was living in LA when we shot season two, so we shot her in Los Angeles before I flew over to shoot. But then for season three, we did it literally on Skype. We filmed her on Skype and then just, you know, had her say lots of different lines and edited them into the show in different ways.

[34:18] Carolee Carmello: So it's just like now.

[34:19] Wesley Taylor: It's like now, yeah.

[34:21] Wesley Taylor: We were really ahead of time.

[34:23] Carolee Carmello: Ahead of your time.

[34:24] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, we were just, you know, ahead of your time.

[34:28] Veanne Cox: Now we're all indoor people, so you know—

[34:28] Wesley Taylor: Oh, sorry.

[34:33] Veanne Cox: No, no, no.

[34:35] Veanne Cox: You know what you want to know what I—how I was ahead of my time?

[34:39] Wesley Taylor: Yes, yes.

[34:40] Veanne Cox: My dream—my first dream ticket. Just moving into politics for two seconds. Just two seconds. My first dream ticket was, as odd as it sounds, it was the first one. And it was Elizabeth Warren and Andrew—

[34:46] Wesley Taylor: Wang.

[34:59] Veanne Cox: Yang.

[35:02] Veanne Cox: Warren and Yang. I'm sorry. Warren and Yang were my first dream ticket. And now being, you know, foreseeing the future, we're gonna have to have national health care, and they're giving away a thousand dollars a week to everybody in the country. So I mean, it's exactly what they would—we would have gotten if we hadn't gotten the coronavirus.

[35:24] Josh Lamon: You should be president.

[35:26] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, come on, I agree.

[35:27] Veanne Cox: I would vote for President Cox.

[35:29] Carolee Carmello: Me?

[35:30] Veanne Cox: Yes, you know, I've always said if I were queen, things would be different.

[35:36] Wesley Taylor: Could we get Pinkins on your ticket or Kushner?

[35:40] Veanne Cox: Yeah.

[35:42] Wesley Taylor: Kushner.

[35:43] Veanne Cox: Yeah, but I've always said—Atone Kushner.

[35:46] Wesley Taylor: I thought you met Michael Kushner.

[35:48] Veanne Cox: I've always asked him to run for president.

[35:51] Wesley Taylor: Oh, wow.

[35:52] Veanne Cox: Tony Kushner.

[35:53] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, I told him. I said you must run for president. He's truly a wonderful human being.

[35:59] Carolee Carmello: Yeah. I met him once, and it was a very intimidating experience, not because of him, because of me.

[36:08] Veanne Cox: Because I was like, hi, you're Tony Kushner, and your brain is more valuable than many others, and I worship the candy-coated ground that you work on.

[36:20] Wesley Taylor: It is really hard. Um, I think that you really shouldn't—you should try your hardest when you meet your heroes to pretend like they're not your hero. Because it really does—it ruins any chance of you to have a friendship with them if you tell them the truth about how you idolize them.

[36:38] Wesley Taylor: Like this experience over and over again. It happened with Norbert Leo Butz, then it happened with Christian Borle, and then it happened with Alan Cumming, and finally I was just like, okay, I'm going to pretend like I hate these people so that I can not scare them away with my fandom, you know.

[36:55] Carolee Carmello: Um, with me too, yeah.

[36:55] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, yeah.

[37:03] Carolee Carmello: Yeah, no, I'm honored. Thank you so much for—I've met some people that I've idolized, and I was like, oh, meeting them was a mistake. I still love their art, but you know, and it's also not on them, like I don't know what their life is in that moment, but I met Nathan Lane a bunch during Prom because of Brooks.

[37:24] Josh Lamon: And every time I met him, like at Brooks's Sartes unveiling, I was like, I was like, hey Nathan, good to see you again. I was like, oh, Brooke said this. And you could tell that like he didn't want to talk to anybody, but he didn't mind talking to me in that moment. Yeah. You know, he's as like, hey Nathan, how you doing? You'd be like, ah, hey Josh, how are you? And as like I broke through. We talked to him like a person.

[37:50] Veanne Cox: Yeah. I talked to him like a boozing, you know, smoking walking corpse. No, I, you know, I just thought Tanya Pinkins I did geek out a little bit on, and she was very cool.

[38:07] Alex Wyse: She's cool.

[38:08] Veanne Cox: She was like, yeah.

[38:11] Veanne Cox: She was like, yeah, you're right. I just went over to her house and had a glass of wine not two weeks ago.

[38:16] Josh Lamon: Do you sing songs from Carolina Change together?

[38:18] Veanne Cox: Yeah, we do.

[38:21] Josh Lamon: Did you come over with like some like cookies from Starbucks and be like, Carolyn has extra food?

[38:27] Veanne Cox: Cook stuff cabbage.

[38:29] Josh Lamon: Oh, I did bring cookies. I did, and wine. I brought her a bottle of wine and some cookies.

[38:34] Josh Lamon: Imagine if those characters got shit faced in that production together.

[38:39] Veanne Cox: Just shit faced.

[38:40] Josh Lamon: Like Stewart's being a dick. Hey, Caroline, come drink with me on the porch.

[38:45] Veanne Cox: If Noah is gonna fucking kill us all.

[38:48] Josh Lamon: Okay, that would be funny, actually.

[38:50] Veanne Cox: That would be funny.

[38:51] Wesley Taylor: Yeah.

[38:53] Wesley Taylor: Where I admit that I don't know Carolina Change. I never saw your performance. I never heard the album.

[39:00] Josh Lamon: Oh no, get Wes off the call. You might as well just take me.

[39:05] Alan Seales: What's that, Alan?

[39:07] Josh Lamon: All right. Well, we don't have to talk.

[39:09] Wesley Taylor: Wesley.

[39:10] Josh Lamon: Wesley, come back.

[39:14] Alan Seales: Oh my god, that was good, Alan.

[39:16] Wesley Taylor: Or did or did Wesley did you do that?

[39:18] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, it was all orchestrated. I texted Alan. He got me out. And then we don't have to talk about that anymore.

[39:26] Josh Lamon: We can talk about something else. Like have you guys ever done one of those geek out at an audition?

[39:34] Wesley Taylor: Because I did that once and like totally embarrassed myself.

[39:37] Veanne Cox: Tell the story.

[39:38] Wesley Taylor: Tell it and tell the story.

[39:39] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, tell the story. For bells are ringing, Broadway, which I did not get.

[39:44] Wesley Taylor: I didn't get it. Um I wanted to do it so badly, and I had done it in LA, and I just was desperate to get that role.

[39:53] Wesley Taylor: And I walked in and Compton and Green were there, and I just burst into tears because they were introducing everybody at the table, and I was like, I just wanted to see that you you guys are so animating it.

[40:06] Wesley Taylor: I just like totally blubbered for about a minute, and they were like, Okay, do you do you want to sing your song now?

[40:13] Wesley Taylor: Then I'd get it together and do my audition, which probably is why I didn't get it.

[40:19] Veanne Cox: Are you serious?

[40:20] Wesley Taylor: But then they did hear see you do what you do, which is like didn't care because they already had oh fuck them.

[40:28] Veanne Cox: Yeah, I didn't even like their shows, their shows are gay.

[40:35] Josh Lamon: Um didn't you like what oh sorry sorry no okay?

[40:41] Veanne Cox: No, I want to hear what you did.

[40:42] Wesley Taylor: Oh, I I did that once. Um I um I was at my final callback for a project, and I walked in and I had not been informed of this in advance.

[40:51] Wesley Taylor: But Steven Sondheim was sitting behind the table, which I was not ready for.

[40:56] Veanne Cox: Oh how can you be?

[40:58] Wesley Taylor: I yeah, I I mean maybe if I had known before, I could have braced myself just a little bit more.

[41:03] Veanne Cox: He's so good at making people feel comfortable, yeah.

[41:08] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, well, but he he I mean I did my audition, I got through, I I did fine, but then at the end I was like, Well, thank you all so very much, and it's really a pleasure of doing that.

[41:20] Veanne Cox: Was that for into the woods?

[41:23] Wesley Taylor: And so I just went out of the room like in tears, like at the end of the audition.

[41:30] Wesley Taylor: I just was so I was so overwhelmed by the experience.

[41:33] Veanne Cox: I was well, he's one of those people where he is really great and he's fucking funny, but he's still Steven Sondheim, and it is just impossible to not treat him like he isn't.

[41:47] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, I mean, he's he really I mean, well, I just met him for the first time, and yes, I was around him a lot during the the West Side story.

[41:54] Wesley Taylor: He was always coming around and talking to Isaac, and I felt like this is not my moment.

[41:59] Wesley Taylor: I'm not gonna try to you know take this moment from Isaac, you know, like I'm just gonna stand in the background and watch.

[42:05] Veanne Cox: Oh, I would have been like, Hey!

[42:09] Wesley Taylor: No, I just I waited until you know day one of Assassin's Rehearsal, and he and he comes in, and the thing that happens when he enters a room is the entire collective energy shifts.

[42:20] Wesley Taylor: It just does. Like the people's be even if people are pretending like they don't care who Steven Sondheim is, everyone's body adjusts and people shift.

[42:29] Wesley Taylor: And it's because we're in the presence of our Shakespeare, you know, our modern day, you know, uh Shakespeare.

[42:37] Veanne Cox: And and actually John John Doyle calls him Stephen Shakespeare.

[42:41] Wesley Taylor: It just just because it's true.

[42:43] Wesley Taylor: And I I went up to him. Sometimes when I'm really nervous, I have this um false sense of confidence.

[42:48] Wesley Taylor: Uh it's something about me, like when I'm really nervous, I just like act cocky.

[42:54] Veanne Cox: Um, yeah.

[42:56] Wesley Taylor: Not my baby.

[42:57] Veanne Cox: Yeah.

[42:57] Wesley Taylor: My baby.

[42:58] Wesley Taylor: I mean, it's gotten me in trouble, like with cops and things.

[43:01] Veanne Cox: Um authority.

[43:02] Wesley Taylor: I just uh I start putting on this very false swagger.

[43:06] Josh Lamon: Anyway, uh Wes, you should tell.

[43:08] Wesley Taylor: Which one?

[43:09] Josh Lamon: The cop story.

[43:11] Wesley Taylor: I want to hear a cop's story.

[43:14] Wesley Taylor: The cop story that I'm thinking of is not appropriate.

[43:17] Veanne Cox: But um I on a show called Josh Swallows Broadway.

[43:22] Wesley Taylor: It's okay.

[43:24] Wesley Taylor: Um I uh what was I saying?

[43:27] Wesley Taylor: Oh yeah, so I just like walked right up to him and I just like we took a five minute break and I like beelined to Steven I was like, uh uh uh it's really it's just an honor to meet you, and I'm just very he's like, Who are you playing again?

[43:27] Wesley Taylor: I was like, uh uh Giuseppe Zangara, and he's like, oof, careful.

[43:45] Wesley Taylor: Watch your voice that is high and loud.

[43:49] Wesley Taylor: So I'd be careful.

[43:50] Wesley Taylor: And he walked away.

[43:51] Veanne Cox: Oh shit.

[43:52] Wesley Taylor: And he just like walked away, which I felt like, oh, no pressure.

[43:57] Veanne Cox: Yeah.

[43:57] Wesley Taylor: Um we met a lot.

[43:59] Wesley Taylor: Like he was backstage at Into the Woods like all the time, and he was so kind and sweet.

[44:06] Wesley Taylor: And then I did this gala in Philadelphia for the Arden Theater, one of my favorite regional theaters.

[44:12] Wesley Taylor: If you're in Philadelphia, when this is over, go see shows at the Arden Theater.

[44:17] Wesley Taylor: You will not regret it.

[44:19] Veanne Cox: Um, and they were honoring him, and he was there with Jason Robert Brown.

[44:23] Wesley Taylor: And um I got to sing for him, which was thrilling.

[44:28] Wesley Taylor: And then afterwards, I was like, hey, Steve, like we did into the woods together.

[44:32] Wesley Taylor: And he after meeting a million people, he went, if you say so.

[44:39] Wesley Taylor: And I was like, can we get a picture?

[44:45] Wesley Taylor: Because I still have an Instagram, you know.

[44:48] Veanne Cox: Did he take the picture with you?

[44:49] Wesley Taylor: Of course.

[44:50] Wesley Taylor: He's lovely, you know, he's just old and you know, he's like I taught one of my favorite memories.

[44:50] Wesley Taylor: That's my impression.

[44:50] Wesley Taylor: One of my favorite experiences in New York.

[45:04] Wesley Taylor: It's very good of him.

[45:05] Wesley Taylor: It's actually a really good impression.

[45:07] Wesley Taylor: Um, is that you know, I remember one day being, you know, walking from somewhere and uh some horrible audition and I just saw him walking down the street in his rumpled and and hunched and shuffling, and I just wanted to cry out.

[45:26] Wesley Taylor: Nobody knew who he was, completely anonymous.

[45:29] Wesley Taylor: And and I just wanted to say, I just wanted to scream at everybody, that's David Sadan!

[45:35] Wesley Taylor: Don't you know?

[45:36] Wesley Taylor: You should be bowing to him.

[45:38] Veanne Cox: And he just I just watched him walk up and I just was that before or after company?

[45:45] Wesley Taylor: It was after.

[45:46] Wesley Taylor: It was many years after.

[45:47] Veanne Cox: I just oh I wish you would have, and then you would have been like, Pardon me if everybody's there because if everybody's there it would have been great.

[45:56] Wesley Taylor: No, it was one if you say so.

[46:02] Veanne Cox: Vienne, was that like that role, especially now that it's played by dudes, is now like an official dream role.

[46:12] Veanne Cox: How it's also the thing that like I have nightmares about it, even though I've never even sung it in my living room.

[46:21] Wesley Taylor: How did you do it?

[46:24] Veanne Cox: That's a lot of words, and they come very fast.

[46:27] Wesley Taylor: Was that scary? Was that easy? Was that fun? Was that all of it?

[46:31] Veanne Cox: No, it was just it just was it just practice.

[46:34] Wesley Taylor: It was just practice.

[46:35] Veanne Cox: I love you.

[46:36] Veanne Cox: And I can't really I can't really sing, so really.

[46:42] Wesley Taylor: Not really.

[46:43] Veanne Cox: Yeah, Vienne.

[46:44] Veanne Cox: I'm looking at the comments.

[46:46] Veanne Cox: You guys know there's comments coming on the right on the live comment section.

[46:50] Veanne Cox: And this someone I just read says, can can VN talk about Cinderella with Bernadette, Whitney, and Brian.

[46:57] Veanne Cox: Oh yeah.

[46:58] Veanne Cox: Falling in love with love is falling for McBulli.

[47:03] Veanne Cox: Well, I've been so lucky, haven't I?

[47:05] Veanne Cox: I've just been so friggin' lucky.

[47:08] Veanne Cox: All of these squares have been like, I don't know what I'd be thinking about right now in all of this.

[47:13] Veanne Cox: I just live in the past now, and I'm like, oh yeah.

[47:16] Veanne Cox: No, but talk about it.

[47:17] Veanne Cox: Talk about Brandy and and uh Bernadette and we all want to know.

[47:22] Veanne Cox: And then we're gonna do this with Carol Lee, too.

[47:23] Veanne Cox: Don't think you're off the hook, Carolina.

[47:25] Veanne Cox: Yeah, um, I you know, it was a long time ago.

[47:29] Veanne Cox: Uh and I just it was so, you know.

[47:32] Veanne Cox: Here's the thing. The here's the thing that I loved about it is that I was able to be theatrical on TV.

[47:39] Veanne Cox: So often you have to like make yourself small and not me, not as funny, and uh, and it was very much like I mean, I have to say, it was it brought back that prepared me for indoor boys because I think indoor boys is allowed me to be theatrical and funny.

[47:58] Veanne Cox: That's like Cinderella, and that's what was wonderful about it because it was truly embraced theater theater on TV, and I think it was very uh valuable to society.

[48:10] Veanne Cox: I mean, to the children that grew up with it, they people still come up to me and just say that that was just it changed my life.

[48:19] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, it's the only production of Cinderella that I recognize true story.

[48:25] Veanne Cox: No offense, but it's that my my daughter who's in the next room, she might hear me talking about this, but we have a family story about it because she um it was one of the first times she actually sat through a long program on TV without getting up, and she was just wrapped, she was about two years old.

[48:46] Veanne Cox: And when you guys took a commercial break, which was like the intermission, she burst into tears and started screaming because she thought it was over, and she was like pointing at the TV, like what's the mother?

[49:04] Veanne Cox: We couldn't understand what was happening. This two-year-old was having a breakdown, and she just didn't want it to end, and then we're going to be able to do that.

[49:11] Josh Lamon: That's your impact, VN.

[49:12] Veanne Cox: That is your impact.

[49:14] Veanne Cox: That was the once again, just like y'all, just like indoor boys, it's the it was the show.

[49:18] Veanne Cox: I was just lucky enough to be in it.

[49:20] Veanne Cox: I'm swear to God, that shut it was so beautiful.

[49:23] Veanne Cox: And it was also totally colorblind, which was one of the first times, especially on television that they was one of the first times where nobody apologized.

[49:32] Veanne Cox: Nobody said, Oh, well, this is, you know, this is, you know, uh it was just accepted.

[49:37] Veanne Cox: It was just that's what it was.

[49:39] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, and Whoopi and Jason Alexander were a good couple.

[49:42] Veanne Cox: Yeah, they are.

[49:43] Wesley Taylor: Wait, no, they weren't a couple.

[49:44] Veanne Cox: It was Whoopi and somebody else.

[49:46] Wesley Taylor: It was Whoopi and Victor Garber.

[50:01] Carolee Carmello: Well, you know, God rest her soul. I only met her once on the set. And she came over and she introduced herself. She was stunningly beautiful. And she just said, you know, it's so nice to meet you. Thank you for doing this. You're doing a beautiful job. And you know, I was awestruck, you know. And I said, Thank you so much for the opportunity. And she was very dear and sweet. And that was it. That was all I had with her because I didn't shoot at all with her. And she really wasn't on set very much.

[50:44] Wesley Taylor: Now, Carolee, a lot of people are asking about you and Sweeney Todd. Your performance and that I was lucky to see multiple times. So good. And what was it like performing for Steven Sondheim in like 30 square feet of... I was thinking about that when you guys were talking about him because he came to the... some of the cast was brand new the night he came because it originated with the British sort of foursome that came over to start it, but then Norm Lewis and I and a couple of other principals started and he was there on the first night, and you know how small that theater was. And we all obviously knew he was there, and we had to walk around in the theater space before the show started. So I was a nervous wreck.

And you know, we had three weeks' rehearsal for that show, which is ridiculous. And Norm lost his voice and went out at intermission that night, and the understudy who had never been on was taking over for act two, and I was with him at intermission. I was like, Don't worry, I'll help you if you get in trouble. I was like, what am I talking about? I don't know if that's not acting, but we got through it.

[52:13] Veanne Cox: Not enough La Razipam in the world.

[52:17] Wesley Taylor: Carole, first laughed when you brought... when I said how good she was in Sweeney Todd because, well, I actually forgot for a moment, but I went to see her show and I got food poisoning like that day, and it was like it was manifesting like two hours before the show for the first time. We had met for dinner, and we got sushi like a block away from your theater, and it just like I was like, oh, oh and I was like, I'm just I'm gonna go to the restroom. But the restroom was downstairs, and I didn't make it there. I destroyed that restaurant.

[53:00] Carolee Carmello: Oh no.

[53:01] Wesley Taylor: I threw up everywhere. And Carolee is, you know, she's a mom. Like she is a Broadway star, but she is like such a nurturer. And she was like on her hands and knees, like cleaning up my vomit. I'm sorry, but it's true. Like she was... it was just unbelievable. And I tried to, we I think we walked to a Duane Reade to get like some Pepto or some like anti-acid thing, so I could see the show because I was like, I was only in town, I was living in LA at the time, and I was only in town for a couple days. So, like this was the night I was gonna see Sweeney Todd, and it was all planned, and like I was not gonna miss it, but I was like up chucking like crazy. And um, at least it wasn't dookie, because that uh nobody she wouldn't clean up yo dookie.

[53:43] Carolee Carmello: Well, you understand.

[53:45] Wesley Taylor: No, you wouldn't, I wouldn't do that. You under... she loves me. Nobody's gonna clean up your dookie.

[53:49] Veanne Cox: I started dressing room with you and your guests.

[53:52] Carolee Carmello: You would clean up my dookie, Caroline.

[53:54] Wesley Taylor: I would.

[53:55] Carolee Carmello: Yeah, she would. Basically, what you... you know, it's all very nice that you went to see her show throwing up. I went all the way to Buffalo to see Carolee's play Hello Dolly last week.

[54:06] Wesley Taylor: We went to Philly, we... she closed... it closed the day that I went up there to see her show.

[54:14] Carolee Carmello: No, so then I threw up all over the place.

[54:17] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, yeah. That's what happens when you go see Carolee just as you're growing up.

[54:21] Carolee Carmello: No, I would clean up your throw-up and dookie.

[54:25] Wesley Taylor: That's so sweet. All I got to see was Caroline's name on top of the marquee.

[54:31] Carolee Carmello: That's a lot though.

[54:32] Wesley Taylor: Because that means a lot to me.

[54:34] Carolee Carmello: I know. And the end of my story is that I didn't make it. So basically, what I'm saying is that I watched the first act of her glorious performance. And it really was... it really was a phenomenal performance. But I... But that whole hour you were like, I gotta... Yeah. And then intermission, I was vomiting in the bathroom, and she was, you know, I was like, I need to go. And then I was... missed Carolee's show.

[55:00] Wesley Taylor: We will... I missed half of it, yeah. And I had dated someone in the show, and I was like, he's gonna think this is because of him.

[55:07] Carolee Carmello: Oh, right.

[55:09] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, it was a rough night.

[55:13] Carolee Carmello: Well, that's why I'm surprising you, all of you, that this isn't a one hour thing. This is a five-hour thing, and we're gonna be doing Sweeney Todd together.

[55:23] Wesley Taylor: Okay, Alan bringing the live orchestra.

[55:27] Carolee Carmello: I'm just kidding. That would be awful. I love the Matilda project.

[55:33] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, it's disco Sweeney Todd. We all are gonna put Molly in her bottoms in our bum bums, and we are gonna party to Soweene.

[55:45] Carolee Carmello: I love, by the way, I love Alan's little cameos. His little like... Alan has become one of my best friends. He's like a brother to me. I'm older than him, but he's like the right.

[55:58] Wesley Taylor: I'm older than you, right?

[56:01] Carolee Carmello: I got the... he's like treat me like shit.

[56:04] Wesley Taylor: You hit me.

[56:05] Carolee Carmello: There we go literally hit me. My wounds have just healed.

[56:10] Wesley Taylor: Oh, then fuck face. Are you... are you advertised on the live show?

[56:14] Carolee Carmello: No.

[56:15] Wesley Taylor: Black out your box.

[56:17] Carolee Carmello: Right.

[56:18] Wesley Taylor: Oh, wrong button. There we go. Oh god, I hate techies.

[56:25] Carolee Carmello: I like them.

[56:27] Wesley Taylor: You're just saying that because you're gonna work again.

[56:30] Carolee Carmello: I've decided to end my career and only do podcasts.

[56:35] Wesley Taylor: Which means I'm gonna die soon.

[56:39] Carolee Carmello: Oh god.

[56:40] Wesley Taylor: The darkness.

[56:41] Carolee Carmello: I know.

[56:42] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, yeah. Um, but good news, everybody at home, in all realness, the five of us are gonna be doing a live stream production of Floyd Collins tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.

[56:54] Carolee Carmello: Yeah.

[56:54] Wesley Taylor: Um, to benefit my Venmo and um to raise awareness for his Venmo. And I mean the actor's fund is great. No, in all seriousness, with that said, um, the Broadway community comes together twice a year to... I'm just kidding.

[57:14] Carolee Carmello: Oh, but before we start the third act, honestly, you should do one of those like Broadway hand washing videos where they sing the song, but you're just like every year, Broadway cares comes together.

[57:26] Wesley Taylor: Like just a speech to raise money. Every year the Broadway community comes together to raise money for Broadway cares.

[57:36] Carolee Carmello: Um y'all, thank you so much for not only like rewatching your series, brightened my life so much again today. Like, and also it's just so well crafted the way that I don't want to give things away, but like I texted you, Alex. I got so angry at the end of season two again, angry, and but also like angry at Wes's character, yet still in love with Wes's character. And Veanne, like Carolee, the moms of this show were just like the craziest moms, the funniest moms, but also the moms that you wish you had.

[58:21] Wesley Taylor: No, no, mom, I love you. I love you, mom.

[58:24] Carolee Carmello: Um, yeah, no, not you, mom. I love you. I miss you, mom. She's in San Diego. Um, hey, mommy. I had so much fun doing the show. Caroline and I had so much fun. It was just a glorious experience. It made me understand, you know, why I wanted to do this business.

[58:42] Wesley Taylor: Yeah.

[58:43] Carolee Carmello: These boys are so talented. I just I never stop being impressed by the writing, the directing, the editing that you do by yourselves. I mean, like, I will never be able to understand being so talented.

[58:58] Wesley Taylor: Yeah, because y'all like have to lock yourselves away for weeks to edit everything 24 hours a day.

[59:04] Alex Wyse: Yeah, it was like some of the hardest we've ever worked in our lives, I would say.

[59:08] Wesley Taylor: What would you... would you agree, Alex?

[59:10] Alex Wyse: Yeah.

[59:11] Wesley Taylor: That's not an ooh. But it's worth it. It's it's fucking worth it. I mean, honestly, and you know, with Caroline and Veanne, it's like a dream to write for because they come on set and they're like, I don't know if Ellen would do that, and like that's everything that we want.

[59:26] Carolee Carmello: No, no, no, no, that's not what that came out wrong. I just mean like it was such a collaboration. I mean, it was you elevated our material, you really did. You said a lot of kind things about us tonight, but like both of you have this way of owning your character so completely, and then you start to have like a... um you love them and you start to stick up for them. Like, and that is the most exciting thing for us as writers is like being able to create something and then you take it to the next place and you know you allowed it, which is you know the artistic collaboration was just glorious.

[1:00:07] Wesley Taylor: Yeah. And the money, the money was good.

[1:00:10] Carolee Carmello: Well, you're welcome.

[1:00:11] Wesley Taylor: Yeah. You're welcome for that second home. Just Venmo after Venmo, you know.

[1:00:18] Carolee Carmello: I got my residual check today, and I was like, great, more things to cry on.

[1:00:24] Wesley Taylor: Um anyway, thank you all for coming. Friends at home, honestly, like now. So what are you doing tomorrow?

[1:00:32] Alex Wyse: Uh go to Indoorboys.tv, check it out, do yourself a favor. Also, if you would like to support our show, and you don't have to financially trust, we're gonna give you so much fucking material. You're gonna love it.

[1:00:47] Wesley Taylor: Um, visit us at patreon.com slash Josh Swallows Broadway. Tune in Wednesday night at nine for the prom pajama party with me, Caitlin Kanunin, Izzy Michaela, Courtney Collins, and Anthony Norman. Thank you all so much for tuning in. And listen, no matter what, no matter what, if you're feeling sad, that's okay. Feel sad. If you're feeling productive, feel productive. No matter what you're doing, take care of yourself. You're fucking nailing it. I love you all.

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[1:01:20] Josh Lamon: Alright, thank you for having us.

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