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[0:00] Jessica Rush: Welcome back to part two of our conversation with Laura Bell Bundy. If you haven't listened to part one yet, make sure you go check it out first. Thanks for listening.

[0:36] Jessica Rush: So clearly you've become passionate about women and history and speaking and getting the information out there. I mean, listening to the first episode, I was so appreciative of the history, to be quite honest, because there are things that I don't know, and like you, I believe myself to be an educated person who has an interest in it to begin with. So the things that I was learning, I mean, oh my gosh, when you talked about birth control only being available to married couples to begin with. And I'm like, what kind of fucked up double standard is that? Like I just couldn't wrap my mind around it. So sex is for procreation and nothing else. And people are still saying this. It's unbelievably mind-boggling.

[1:25] Laura Bell Bundy: True.

[1:25] Jessica Rush: Like in this day and age, that is still a common thought. Have it that way, guys. Okay, you white men making the laws. Have it that way. Well, God, they just want to like hold on so tightly to these, you know, long ago thoughts or from to be good, right? Quote unquote good, good and what makes someone honorable and a good person. And so much of it is wrapped up in religion and beliefs of what is right and wrong. That also was a book written by, but it's so hypocritical. Because if they're saying it's for procreation, okay, great. So all those people you get pregnant, you have to care be financially responsible for that child. But like I it's just it's unbelievable. But anyway, I uh you can tell to our listeners that Laura Bell's podcast will get you fired up. That is what I felt. Like after listening to it, I was like, I'm ready to go to war. Where is the fight? Where are my gloves? Let's do this. No, in such a great way.

[2:24] Laura Bell Bundy: I know it right now.

[2:27] Jessica Rush: Exactly. Um, but for to dive into your first episode, it's based on your release, Get a Girl You Go, which you guys, the song. I once you listen to it, it will never leave your head. It's so fantastic. I love the juxtaposition of this kind of Andrew Sisters feel, which would equate to maybe an antiquated belief of what women's roles are, and then everything that you talk about and the video that goes with it. So we're gonna play a really quick clip of it so you can get a taste, and we're then we'll dive into some more with Laura Bell.

[2:28] ♪ Musical number: "Get a Girl You Go" — performed by Laura Bell Bundy ♪

[4:02] Jessica Rush: It's so good. Um where did the exact like inspiration for the song come from?

[4:09] Laura Bell Bundy: Well, I knew that I wanted to have a song of celebration and up tempo, celebrating how far we've come and empowerment and what we have. So as many songs in the album talk about things we're striving for we need or issues, but this is a celebration, and while it's also bringing up the fact that we're sort of required to do it all in order to do anything, and so it just it I just wanted initially, it was just like this up tempo, fun feeling song that felt like an anthem is what I wanted, and then as I began to write it, I had just had a child, and all of these messages about being a mom were just like so flowing out of me. Um, and this was because it was my experience. So it then it became like oh wow, the song is gonna be about she's doing this, she's doing that, and she's doing this, and she's doing that, and nothing can keep her down because she is powerful, and when something doesn't work for her, she's gonna fight for it. So it's got a little fight in it, and then that's where it came from.

[5:21] Jessica Rush: I love that. I also love that the rhythm is the rhythm of a breast pump.

[5:26] Laura Bell Bundy: Exactly.

[5:26] Jessica Rush: Yeah, that is a very specific specific thing to know. And I just like you just keep doing it.

[5:37] Laura Bell Bundy: I'll sing the song.

[5:38] Jessica Rush: There you go. Well, and I just love that it, like you said, it's like it's a celebration. I feel like Jess and I are always texting each other, being like, You're such a rock star. Like you did all these things today. You're doing it all. You're keeping your kids alive and you're creating and you're doing all the things. Like we're always saying, You're doing all the things, you're amazing. Like constantly cheering each other on. And how great to like have a song that's kind of like an anthem for that, right? Like you're you're doing it, and it's hard, it's really hard, but we came from this place where we didn't have all the things we have now. So just think of what we continue to fight for and what we could possibly have.

[6:12] Laura Bell Bundy: Exactly. And you know, it's like get it, get it, get you get your thing, get oh, I know. Get a girl, you go.

[6:20] Jessica Rush: Yeah, get it, girl, you go. Um and it's also I think a little bit about the future being female. And and the one thing that I do want to say is as we come up against an election right now, and we come up against a Supreme Court nomination that feels like it's threatening our rights as and freedoms as women, we cannot forget the progress we've had in the last four years, and that no matter who our leader is, we cannot stop moving because feminism is a runaway train. You cannot stop it. We will continue to progress, and no matter who gets elected, this thing is still moving because you want to get a show done in Hollywood right now, it ain't gonna be a white man doing it. You want to get something made, it's the women. It's the diverse women, but we have to represent now. And that is already changed. That tide has turned. We are not going back.

[7:34] Jessica Rush: No, and that is something I think Kara and I, this podcast has been so driving for us also for that. We have found our voice within this, and we have found the want and desire to get up there in the march with you and spread the word and shout it out. And you know, we're both raising daughters, and I truly like I every time she knows who Hillary Clinton is, or she now knows who Kamala Harris is, and she knows who these women are and who are powerful and she knows what they're capable of, what she is capable of and what she can do, and that has to continue because there is no going back. We are fucking awesome. And it's time, it's time that the rest of the world gets on board because we are we will save it, we will save the world, the women. Because when you're an empathetic, compassionate, intelligent driven person of perhaps a feminine gender or identifying as such, we make shit happen.

[8:37] Laura Bell Bundy: Yeah, we're gonna do it. Mamas make it happen, women get it done.

[8:41] Jessica Rush: Yeah, I just had I had to join in on your choir. More multitasking, you know, we we do it, and by the way, our whole existence is multitasking. We need to stop moving. So, you know, if we're we're we're in constant motion all the time. And I think we have to also look at our rights as being in constant motion as well, and um, and forward progression. Um there are historical instances of women losing rights. There are, as I've been doing my research, and it's scary. But I don't think we're gonna ever let that happen. We can't, um, because we we've seen progress regardless in the last four years. We have we have to we have to know that. And the we've had major awakenings going on in this last year with people.

[9:34] Laura Bell Bundy: Um I think that's with their own privilege.

[9:38] Jessica Rush: Exactly. And I think that's what if there's something to this administration's time, if there is a silver lining to it, it is that people have had their awakenings and their um the fire has been lit. Yeah, and and many, many people are finding their voices and raising them and and fighting for change. And as horrible as this pandemic has been, I think that it has only um bolstered that those awakenings, you know, it's given people space and time to evaluate, you know, it's kind of at uh in the beginning everybody was leveled to the same playing ground where everybody was quarantined and stuck in their own situation, you know, and and had time in their brain to reflect on what it was that was happening. Now I don't have any time in my brain to reflect on anything because I feel like I'm busier than I've ever been in my high life, but here we are getting it done.

[10:31] Laura Bell Bundy: Yeah, right.

[10:32] Jessica Rush: Right? Like getting it all done.

[10:33] Laura Bell Bundy: I know. Well, too, I'm starting to notice some work is coming back. So it's now it's like, wait, wait, wait, I have this whole quarantine life, and now wait, outside life is trying to happen. Uh, other life, former life. Uh, now I've got to sort of kind of figure out how that works again. Um, there's been a lot of positive things I would say about the quarantine too, you know, in terms of family, in terms of the way my husband and I have reorganized the way we do things and the way we raise our son, and him being able to be home and be with him and get this time with him, and um and our responsibilities be adjusting, um in terms of like him so seeing and understanding and noticing some of the things I was doing when I was home and now taking on those responsibilities, and it's actually improved our relationship. It's been nice. Um, and my son is like obsessed with his dad, so it's awesome in that in that way, too. I don't know, that's a non sequitur.

[11:36] Laura Bell Bundy: No, it's a quarantine non sequitur, but um, you know, there is something that as we're talking about how uh this this election and what's on the table and our rights and freedoms. I think there's some major philosophical what's the word here misunderstandings, internal misunderstandings people have. The big one to me is the pro life issue. And and this is it for me. What does it mean to be pro-life? If you talk about the sanctity of life, then you wear a mask when you go in public so that you can protect other people's lives. And you can protect pregnant women and their unborn child from getting the coronavirus or elderly grandparents. It means that you care about gun regulation and reform so that less innocent lives are taken.

You care about social justice reform, so less black lives are taken. Why don't you think about the lives of the people who were actually born? Right. You care about children in cages. Right. And ask yourself which party is more for life. Because if this is a religious issue, you gotta ask yourself the questions of are you truly for life all the way around?

[13:32] Laura Bell Bundy: Are you a hypocrite?

[13:35] Jessica Rush: Yeah.

[13:36] Laura Bell Bundy: Do you support a life if it's gay? If it's transgender? I mean, it's like, and have you ever donated to a fund that helps young mothers with the cost of childbirth and child care?

[13:55] Jessica Rush: Right.

[13:56] Laura Bell Bundy: Have you ever done that? Because if you're not for universal health care, because for a lot of women, the cost of having a child is too much. So if you're not for universal health care, which is helping people save their lives, I just I have no respect for you.

[14:14] Jessica Rush: No, the hypocrisy.

[14:18] Laura Bell Bundy: That you are not really thinking about it all the way around.

[14:25] Jessica Rush: Yeah.

[14:26] Laura Bell Bundy: Here, here.

[14:28] Jessica Rush: Yeah.

[14:28] Laura Bell Bundy: No, I the hypocrisy is what gets me every time, every time.

[14:28] Jessica Rush: Every time.

[14:33] Laura Bell Bundy: I mean, I was raised Southern Baptist, and I've got a lot of that still happening on my Facebook and things, and it is that is not pro-life when that is the only thing you focus on. So if that's your issue, if that's the only reason, you know, if that's where you make your political decision, and that's it, you're just a one-issue party choice. You're just ignoring all of the other things.

[14:56] Jessica Rush: So that and there's not gonna be one, if there's no party that's just the life party.

[15:02] Laura Bell Bundy: Right, right. Then you have decisions to make. I respect everybody's beliefs and opinions. But if you are pro-life, then you're not for the death penalty, and you are for universal health care and you are for gun control and you are for Black Lives Matter. Be consistent, yes, make a choice.

[15:21] Jessica Rush: Well, and do an acting, exactly.

[15:24] Laura Bell Bundy: Make a strong choice. Make a choice, make a strong choice. You can be strong and wrong, but make a choice. I can't tell you how many times I've been strong and wrong.

[15:35] Laura Bell Bundy: I mean, I think the bottom line is it's about empathy because so many people can't put themselves in somebody else's shoes who may not be able to pay for the health care or the birth of a child, or cannot put themselves in a Black person's shoes who can't go out their door without feeling safe. They cannot transport their understanding of the world to somebody else's. And I think that's the bottom line for why we are where we are today. You know, it's people not seeing the world from eyes that aren't their own.

[16:12] Jessica Rush: You know, and I think look, that's a benefit to what we do, right? That's our job. Our job is to put ourselves in somebody else's shoes and figure out what their life is. So it's super easy. It's almost overwhelmingly easy to do it. And I feel like this day and age, and I'm gonna get emotional because I feel like I can't even open my phone without feeling a gut punch for reading a story that happened to somebody or what is going on in our world, you know, it's so easy to get overwhelmed by that. But instead of being overwhelmed, we should be impassioned and driven to vote first and foremost, but to get this information out there in a digestible way that people can understand and maybe shift their perspective a little bit.

[16:57] Laura Bell Bundy: Yes.

[16:58] Jessica Rush: That and fact checking. Hello.

[17:02] Laura Bell Bundy: Because what happens is when you have a debate like we saw last night or any damn debate, information is coming to the public and then they're believing it and they're making sound bites of it, and none of it's true.

[17:22] Jessica Rush: So to just keep yourself from looking like an asshole, figure out is there some source online where you can fact check both sides? So you really just have the best information. It's and also making sure before you post a meme, which I've made this mistake before, that it's you know, it might be funny and punchy and zesty, but it's not true. And so that stuff is really important to do.

[17:51] Laura Bell Bundy: And you know, and I noticed, like, oh my god, I'm gonna have to like make sure that what I'm putting out into the world is actually factual. Because once we start talking about what the facts are, then I think a lot of us realize that we're not as far apart as we thought we were. And okay, here's some good things that this party is doing, and here's some not so great things this party is doing, and here's, but it doesn't have to be as polarizing.

[18:22] Jessica Rush: Right.

[18:23] Laura Bell Bundy: The problem is is that people are basing a lot of their opinions right now on information that isn't really true.

[18:35] Jessica Rush: Yeah.

[18:35] Laura Bell Bundy: So that's the thing that really feels like people are being duped. I'm just gonna come out and say it. Donald Trump is a liar. He lies a lot. And so you gotta do, you gotta do your research to know are the things that you're then spewing out into the world also lies? Just be responsible.

[19:02] Jessica Rush: Yeah.

[19:03] Laura Bell Bundy: And there's gray area too. There's opinion, which everybody's entitled to, and then there's just non-truth information.

[19:14] Jessica Rush: Yeah.

[19:16] Laura Bell Bundy: We're gonna take a quick break. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back.

[19:25] Jessica Rush: Yes, all of that. Please vote. Listen to Women of Tomorrow, y'all. She's got Amy McGrath on there. Amy McGrath. We want to take out that turtle devil so birdly, McConnell, and get him out of there.

[19:39] Laura Bell Bundy: So, you know, the conversation was great. Hearing her talk about the mental load. Hearing her talk about real fast, hearing her talk about how being a fighter pilot is easier than being a mother. I mean, what else did you do? And running for office. She was like, running for office is easier than being a mom. I was like, really?

[20:02] Jessica Rush: Add that to your plate, Laura.

[20:05] Laura Bell Bundy: Add it on. Oh my gosh. Well, you know, you're so passionate and vocal about so many, about all of the women's rights, right? The women's history, the women's rights, moving us forward, progressing, but also bringing awareness to all sorts of traumas and situations that women encounter for better or for worse. And I wanted to ask you about, I just saw your video for your cover of "Girls Just Want to Have Fun," right? That's the next single off of the Women of Tomorrow album.

[20:36] Laura Bell Bundy: And it illustrates, the music video does, it illustrates a woman's experience with domestic violence. And first off, before I actually started watching the video, I heard the single, I heard the song, and it's so haunting. Your cover is so haunting and so moving. And I love that, well, I want to hear it from you because I know that you listened to the lyrics and that's what led you to this, correct?

[21:01] Laura Bell Bundy: I was listening to the song one day. It was like just in my car, and I re I was like, ooh, if we slowed this down and we made this the style of this album, this would be a great cover. And so I started to like sing it to myself, and I looked up the lyrics and I'm looking at it, and I saw the line some boys take a beautiful girl and hide her away for the rest of the world. I want to be the one who walks in the sun. Girls just want to have fun. And I was like, right. So that makes that line makes you emotional. And I was like, man, you don't even hear it with that punchy production. And that's such an important lyric. And I think that's why I decided to, you know, make the video. The issue that we're tackling here is a woman's experience in an abusive relationship.

[22:00] Laura Bell Bundy: And it's domestic violence awareness month this month. The numbers of cases of violent violence against women and partners has gone up in staggering amounts since the beginning of the pandemic because we're quarantined, stuck in the home, not getting escapes to go to work. Children are experiencing more domestic abuse. So there is a fund called the domestic violence response fund that I am working to raise money for with Futures Without Violence. And it supports women domestically who have been survivors of domestic violence and victims, but also women and children and men, transgender as well, especially there's a lot of domestic abuse in the transgender community, and that it also works on an international level through the United Nations.

[23:10] Laura Bell Bundy: So that being said, I'm doing a virtual event, a live event on my YouTube channel next Thursday for this fund to raise money for this fund, where people from Futures Without Violence will be speaking on the topic. A representative from ACLU. We will be hearing some survivor stories and we'll have some live performances. I'll be performing the song live. And also a woman, a country singer named Mickey Guyton will be singing. A woman named Ali Gonino, and then we'll have some special appearances by Chrissy Fitt and Lori Bonante, Marissa Winoker, different people from our community that you recognize asking for you to support this because these folks that are survivors, they've been in crisis mode. We've been in crisis mode, but they've really been in crisis mode. So if you can tune in, it's next Thursday, October 29th at 5 p.m.

[24:20] Jessica Rush: 29th.

[24:21] Laura Bell Bundy: That's gonna be two days after. If you're listening to this on the day of on Tuesday when we drop these episodes, that is two days from now. So on the 29th, 5 p.m. Pacific, so 8 p.m. Eastern.

[24:33] Jessica Rush: Oh yes. Oh God. Being out here on the West Coast is like, I, you know, it always has to, it throws me for a loop every time. But that's just, it's just so incredible. And I mean, you know, you've now talked about, I just want to give a shout out to our very first guest, Miss Benanti, because you've named her now for both projects. You know what I mean? Like she's also someone who is very, you know, I mean, because she did like the double standards thing with you at town hall, and she's doing this with she didn't, but she did want to be a part of the album. I think she actually had a show or something.

[25:04] Laura Bell Bundy: Oh, okay.

[25:05] Jessica Rush: But she has always, but that is 100% true. She has used her voice for good. And she's definitely a mom. And I follow her on TikTok and she's hilarious. And but you know what, there's a lot of women in our community who've used their voices for good. And I had so many amazing women get involved in Get it Girl, You Go. Annalee Ashford, Anika Noni Rose is incredible. She's such an activist. She was on the road campaigning for Elizabeth Warren.

[25:38] Laura Bell Bundy: Yeah, I saw that.

[25:39] Jessica Rush: You know, Shoshana Bean and Carrie Butler. Carrie Butler is, she's just got a heart of gold. And she's such a, she's someone, have you had her on the?

[25:49] Laura Bell Bundy: We haven't had her yet. We've asked.

[25:54] Jessica Rush: So she's on the list.

[25:56] Laura Bell Bundy: She's on the list. She's incredible. And her experience right now raising two Black daughters is really an interesting and important thing, I think, to hear about right now with everything that's going on.

[26:14] Jessica Rush: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think, you know, as artists, we always tend to be more passionate, I think. And so it's not surprising. Like for you to, you know, I see all the girls. I saw Shoshana and Anika, you know, like doing the video with you, and like, I just think when you look to our community, yes, there are men who raise their voices, but I feel like the women really are leading the charge. Or maybe that's just who I follow on Instagram.

[26:40] Laura Bell Bundy: I gotta tell you that's your curated feed. Men are leading the charge here. Maybe I just have really spotlighted the women. I'm feeling very powerful today. I'm PMS. So I'm like, give me the women. Well, you know, we you it's you you kind of you follow who you connect with, right? So, but it it's it's I I gotta say, I was always I would I've been amazed um at uh the res the response to hey, will you join me in trying to make a difference? And I'll do the majority of the work. So you can get on board this train and just use your voice. I'll produce it and do the starred stuff. Oh my god. You're just like you just keep going and going and going. Like when I think about all the stuff when I was researching for today, I was just thinking, I said to Cara, I was like, I'm tired from the things that I'm juggling, and you have like 10 more of them on you.

I mean, telling y'all the six week sprint. That's what I need to start doing. Put a time limit on it and give myself a goal. Laura Bell, you're making it happen. I know. I do I do it for the day, but I definitely don't do it like that far out. I need to start planning a lot. I mean, and you've even gotten all this accomplished from being on a 50 oh my gosh road trip that we didn't even talk about with a small child. You're not like 50 day road tripping with you know your spouse just hanging out, having a grand old time. You have a 17 month old with you. Yeah, it was uh listen. I'm we're gonna we're having to untrain the use of iPad and Elmo because we we definitely had to use the the iPad and Elmo and you know, just to not have you know, just to keep him occupied, and and um I'm just glad at that age that he actually would look at a screen for a long enough time for you to have a break.

To be honest, that was my thought was like he's so little, sometimes they don't know. And then you're having to amuse him for like hours and hours and hours. I know, and it was funny is that like literally the week before the trip, he started to want to see videos. Like he would see me with my phone and be like, I want that. And of course, everything I'm reading is like frontal lobe, don't let them. And so, you know, I it's not just something else for me to feel guilty about, but um you know what I have to say. It is you do what you gotta do. You go from that phase with them where, like, in order to get them to sit still, you just keep giving them snacks. Yeah, like they're in the stroller and you're like on the way to the park, and you're like, it's gonna be amazing.

We're getting ready to go. We're it we're headed to the park. You don't realize this, but we're gonna have a lot of fun. And they're like, you're like, snack, cracker, straight chase, yeah. It's like whatever, it's snacks for days. Um, and then there's an iPad. Um, and you know, God, well, first of all, what did our parents do? I've thought of that about a lot. Like, what did they put could they possibly have done right now? But but my mother has said to me repeatedly, and I've said this on the podcast before, she said, parenting today is way harder than parenting was when she had kids. Why? Um the societal pressures of the amount of involvement that needs to be um involved in parenting, the standards to which we hold ourselves with what we feed our kids, what we show our kids.

Like, I mean, but the Ting on the comes with the iPad, and then you're worried about the frontal lobe. Right, right. Like that, like the TV was on. It wasn't a big deal. Yeah, it was like whatever. They don't let you beat your kids anymore. I don't know. What the heck? It's so much easier. It was so much easier when you could just hit them. Just shut up, slap. My papa used to say, my papa would be like, Don't make me go get that switch, you know, like the switch out of the tree. You know, it's like, ooh, ooh, ooh. So we don't we don't have switches. I was spanked. I also got don't make me wash your mat that with soap. Yes. Oh yeah, I got that too. And I'm like, I was like, this bath and body works is delish.

Unripened raspberry. Just like, oh it's like a papaya. Uh you know, I there it's it is different. It's definitely different and we're way way more conscious, which makes us also feel like we're we're walking on eggshells, or there's so many things not to do or things to do that when we don't that when when when we either do those things we shouldn't do or not doing the things that we should, it's just something else to feel bad about, self-hate about. So we do the best that we can and um and I think have to be living in the moment because so much that we do is just thinking about why how we could have done something better or the future and what we need to do and all these tasks, or if you know, we could just kind of just be here, be present, or have this connection with our child in this moment, um, without judging ourselves in the moment and them and everything, wouldn't that be better?

It would. Yeah, it definitely would. It definitely would. Um we uh yeah, it would. We so we always want to ask our guests an engagement question, you know, that we can sort of pose to our listeners and to our followers and and um and hear back from them, help them to feel connected to our conversation and and with you, I know I think we've even asked this before, but I I feel like I have to ask someone who is so politically minded and passionate, what is your hope for the future for 2021? Can I let's how do you want me to make it smaller? Her eyes just got so wide though. Let me get let me ask you, what is your hope for the end of the year? Like what what do you hope will be our general sort of consciousness or your space even just within yourself within your home, where you'll be in 2020, December 31st? You know, it's really hard to answer this question because I have a lot of anxiety about the next two like 10 days.

Yeah. No, I know. I feel like November 4th. I mean, and that is so valid. And you don't even that's that's good. You know, it's I think it's totally valid that I'm gonna tell you what I'd like to see for 2021. Yeah. I would like to see a plan of action to get us out of this pandemic. I would like to see people respecting one another for their choices and their beliefs. I would like to see people's thoughts and beliefs being able to be expressed without violent acts against them. And without um their thoughts being framed as violent. Uh so I'd like to see some social justice reform. I'd love to see people recognizing their own privilege and prejudice. Um I would like to see I would like to see support financial and otherwise for essential workers.

And I I mean, there's a lot. If I want to talk about what I dream to see, um I dream I hope that we still have universal health care. And um, and I I hope I hope that um people don't believe the lies. And that we put our that we that we're that we think with love first and what it means to be loving person and what the what that means on a political level. Because politics is personal. People say to me, like, I followed you for, you know, Apollo followed you for your inner because you're an entertainer. So entertain us. I don’t care about your politics. And I'm like, well, it's personal. I'm directly affected. I'm a mom and I'm a woman. I'm directly affected by the decisions that are made. And um these people are not authority figures.

We vote them in. We don't need to respect them unless they respect us. So I you made me cry on that one. That was I would just like to just see uh peace. And also it's just a sense of relief for all of us. Like to see us getting out of the fucking house. Yes, yes, a relief in all ways. I mean, I think, you know, I'm hopeful, I'm hopeful. I'm so hopeful that this nightmare can I've almost I've been afraid to be hopeful, isn't that because after the last election I went in into it with such hope and I was so inspired and so passionate that I almost feel like it's like I'm gonna jinx it if I get too hopeful, you know? I'm just like in survival mode. Let's just get let's just get to it. Let's just get let's just get there.

We're gonna get there. You definitely feel that. It's like senioritis. It's like when you know it's almost over or that that moment is coming, and then you're just like, let's just do it. Let's do it. Let's get to it and have it. And then we know that what it is, and then we can move forward from there and deal with whatever it is. Hopefully, it's some relief. I think this is what I think. Again, I'm gonna repeat this. Regardless of what this outcome is for this next election, we'll never stop progressing, and we'll never stop evolving. And it's important that we band together as women to understand uh the rights for the that the that the women who came before us fought for, and that we continue to put our foot in the ground and stand for equality for ourselves and for every single person in this country.

And that is it. I think people will look back at this time, and I do believe it. And I remember having this conversation with Christian Borel in 2016. You are either on the right side of history or the wrong side of history right now. Like when they look back at the 60s, and you know, even in your hit in your history classes, they go, we knew segregation was wrong, right? We knew slavery was wrong. We're gonna know 50 years when they read the history books about us, they're gonna know whether it was right or it was wrong. And so that's it. You could you can be greet all greedy and all that you want and worried about your stock market, or you can care care about human beings, period. Period. Amen.

Laura Bell Bundy for president, yeah. No, no, you know what? I'm sorry I am I am here for when you said that about you know we were talking about Amy McGrath it's easier to be a politician or to run for office Laura Bell I don't know somebody will be like you can get more done somebody be like you know once backstage she grabbed my ass or like you know whatever I can I have no idea what I've done backstage there's no fucking right that's right oh my god this was so my gosh I wish we were meeting for a glass of wine now truthfully to kind of I honest I'm like so revved up I'm emotionally really alive right now from the conversation that we have that I need like a legitimate come down from this but I'm so thankful that we made this happen.

I know we went back and forth for forever but thank you so much Laura Bell thanks so much for listening to this episode of Mamas Talkin' Loud special shout outs to Rachel Spencer Hewitt for our fabulous graphic Kristen Anderson Lopez Bobby Lopez and Justin Ward Weber for our awesome theme song our producers Dori Berenstein Alan Seals and of course the Broadway Podcast Network for bringing us to you.