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[0:00] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Hey Odd Squad, it's me, Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo, your host of Odd Woman Out, a podcast where we talk to women artists about what it is like to be a woman in the entertainment industry, how to embrace our odd, and how we can hold space to lift one another up.

[0:17] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Please enjoy this episode. Tell your friends to tune in, like, subscribe, and follow. And reach out to a woman in your life today and give her some love. Enjoy this episode.

[0:31] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Hello, Chloe Tucker Caine. Welcome to Odd Woman Out. I'm so happy to have you here.

[0:36] Chloe Tucker Caine: So happy to be here. Thank you so much.

[0:38] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: I was just telling you before, like I get gagged and people are like, yes, I will come do that show. We're still so new, and like we're like the little engine that could like crawling up the podcast ladder. So we're so happy to have you.

[0:48] Chloe Tucker Caine: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Well, you're killing it. I'm honored.

[0:51] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Oh, thank you so much. Um, we have so much to talk about. I just told you also I've been binging Owning Manhattan, number nine in TV shows.

[0:59] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah, we were eight.

[1:00] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Today we're nine, but they just changed the cover to my face.

[1:03] Chloe Tucker Caine: So I'm fingers crossed.

[1:04] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Wait, I see where people watch. Just gonna say, like, even over the weekend I was binging it, and you were the cover almost every time.

[1:10] Chloe Tucker Caine: That's amazing.

[1:11] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: A couple of times it would be Ryan, but it was always you, and I was like, fierce.

[1:14] Chloe Tucker Caine: I've never gotten me yet.

[1:15] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Really?

[1:16] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah, not yet.

[1:16] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Almost every single time I've gotten you.

[1:18] Chloe Tucker Caine: So congrats.

[1:19] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Congrats. So we have so much to talk about. We need to see you on Broadway. We gotta talk about Owning Manhattan. We have so much, but I gotta start at the beginning from baby Chloe. You know, you started off in theater. Who was a woman that influenced you to want to become an artist, to want to perform, to want to live this crazy life?

[1:38] Chloe Tucker Caine: Oh, you mean in my personal life? Or like someone that you admired that was like a performer or someone in your personal life.

[1:46] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Whatever it means to you.

[1:47] Chloe Tucker Caine: Oh my god. Um, twofold. I think on the personal side, my grandmom, she always wanted to be an actor and never went for it. Um, so it was always in my blood to do it. And then professionally, I mean, Barbara Streisand. Oh my god. Grew up with Funny Girl, you know, every single day after school.

[2:06] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Love that. What a good one.

[2:08] Chloe Tucker Caine: Um, thank you. So, and now think about a professional gig you've had. I know you were on tour. Any other times in there in the entertainment industry where there was a situation with a woman supporting a woman or someone who uplifted you or like showed you the ropes when maybe you didn't know what was going on, or maybe that was in the real estate world.

[2:28] Chloe Tucker Caine: Totally. So, my first professional job was playing Sophie in the National Tour of Mamma Mia.

[2:34] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yes.

[2:35] Chloe Tucker Caine: And the woman who played Donna, funnily enough, her name is Kate Tuckerman. My name was Chloe Tucker before I changed it to Chloe Tucker Caine. And she really just took me under her wing.

[2:46] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Oh.

[2:46] Chloe Tucker Caine: I was so nervous. I was so scared, you know, as this young girl as one of the principals, and she really just grabbed my hand and just made the experience so wonderful for me.

[2:57] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Shout out, what was her name?

[2:58] Chloe Tucker Caine: Kate Tuckerman.

[2:59] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Shout out to Kate Tuckerman if you're listening. She's an incredible actress, so I'm sure you've seen her, and if not, you will.

[3:05] Chloe Tucker Caine: Amazing, amazing. Now, tell us about a time in your life, in the industry or just in life, where you have felt like the odd woman out.

[3:14] Chloe Tucker Caine: Oh my god, I feel like I've always felt like the odd woman out. Um I think also we make something in our heads that maybe isn't true. I think it's very real, especially growing up in LA as a child actor and being schlepped around to all these auditions where there's a hundred other girls that look just like you. I think you, you know, a lot of times in our own heads, we make it feel like we're competition against everyone else.

[3:41] Chloe Tucker Caine: That's a big theme for me of me kind of being my own worst enemy. So I think I was I was the one putting it on myself of being the odd woman out. You know, I've heard a lot on the show so far, my all of my seven guests. That's come up a few times of like the competition, right? Of like, is it real or is it what we're taught and like projected on us? And it makes like the whole idea of like women being catty or like rude a reality when it's just not when it's like a very much a woman supporting women, like there's enough cake for everyone, there's enough opportunity for everyone.

[4:12] Chloe Tucker Caine: I really feel like it's also a sign of the times. I don't know. When I grew up, I think it was also very different.

[4:17] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: For sure.

[4:18] Chloe Tucker Caine: You know, you definitely had my mom who was from a small town in Beaumont, Texas, being like, you know, oh god, what is that girl doing? What is that girl doing? You know, and putting these competition things in my head when you're right, they don't need to exist.

[4:30] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: They don't, they don't. It's so hard.

[4:30] Chloe Tucker Caine: It's so hard. But now let's talk about Owning Manhattan.

[4:34] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Okay.

[4:35] Chloe Tucker Caine: Did you how first of all, how did it all come to be? Like, how did you get involved with the show? How long were you with the agency before? And did you think that it was gonna be such a hit?

[4:47] Chloe Tucker Caine: Um, okay, so I got into real estate in 2020, um, when the pandemic happened, really. And I got into it kind of on a whim. So I was bartending in between theater gigs, and I was a really bad bartender. And I just kept getting fired to the point that I was like, okay, I gotta figure out something else to make money.

[5:11] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[5:12] Chloe Tucker Caine: So I had a boyfriend at the time who's now my husband, and I was like, wait a minute, I can just live with him and rent out my Hell's Kitchen apartment on Airbnb.

[5:20] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[5:21] Chloe Tucker Caine: And I was doing that and I was killing it.

[5:22] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: That's amazing.

[5:23] Chloe Tucker Caine: Right? Right. That's amazing. So smart until it wasn't because it was like then very illegal.

[5:27] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: I was just gonna say, like, was it allowed? Because I know there's a lot of rules with that stuff.

[5:33] Chloe Tucker Caine: It was not. And the landlord.

[5:35] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: How did they catch you?

[5:36] Chloe Tucker Caine: He saw me on the camera, and I was actually close with him, but he said, Chloe, I see you on the camera. I know what we're doing. We need to wrap it on up. So my boyfriend.

[5:42] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: I know.

[5:47] Chloe Tucker Caine: He was like, okay, why don't you just get your real estate license? It's what you're doing, but legal.

[5:51] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Your landlord said that?

[5:52] Chloe Tucker Caine: No, my boyfriend.

[5:53] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Oh, I was like, that's so nice of him for catching you in a legal act and then helping you further your career.

[5:59] Chloe Tucker Caine: I mean, that would have been a great story, but no. He was like, pack it up or get out.

[6:04] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: That's funny.

[6:05] Chloe Tucker Caine: I know. So um, anyways, long story short, I got my real estate license and I loved it. And I started doing a lot of rentals. I think I did like 150 rentals in my first year. I was like, I was like, this is my thing. I was like, screw theater, I can do this, I will kill this.

[6:19] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Well, it's kind of like performing.

[6:21] Chloe Tucker Caine: It is totally performing.

[6:23] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: But the commission checks are a lot bigger.

[6:25] Chloe Tucker Caine: Correct.

[6:26] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: You're like, the cash appears versus with performing, it doesn't.

[6:30] Chloe Tucker Caine: It doesn't. You're just performing because you love it.

[6:32] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Totally.

[6:32] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah. But long story short, I started making YouTube videos. I copied Ryan, and he ended up asking me to come join the brokerage. And I think I knew very quickly, working for him, that he wanted to do a show.

[6:44] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[6:44] Chloe Tucker Caine: So I I think I was involved from the very, very beginning.

[6:47] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: That's amazing.

[6:49] Chloe Tucker Caine: Did you guys like come up with the idea together and sort of like figure out the way? Are you allowed to share the channel?

[6:54] Chloe Tucker Caine: I would love to say yes. It was all my idea, actually. I should have a producer credit. No. Um, I think I think he's a genius. Ryan Serhant is one hell of a guy. And I think from the second he started his own brokerage, he knew that he wanted to have a show.

[7:11] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[7:12] Chloe Tucker Caine: Um, me just being a reality TV junkie, yeah, and having known him for Million Dollar Listing, I think I was always hoping that a show would happen. And I would I would definitely text him, you know, every once in a while and be like, hey, so Vanderpump Rules, but real estate. Like you could be Lisa Vanderpump.

[7:26] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[7:28] Chloe Tucker Caine: Um, and it's crazy how it all happened, but that's and here we are.

[7:32] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: You're like, these Selling Sunset girlies have nothing on us.

[7:34] Chloe Tucker Caine: Literally.

[7:35] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: But like they don't.

[7:36] Chloe Tucker Caine: They don't. I do love the Owning Manhattan.

[7:39] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Um so I want to talk now about how you're incorporating your theater background into your real estate. And I want to ask if you felt like the odd woman out when you started to come up with these ideas. I know I saw Niall be like, what are you doing? Like, you know, coming in with this whole new perspective and whole new way to sell these homes.

[8:01] Chloe Tucker Caine: By the way, I love the musical in the home with the glitter jacket.

[8:05] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: What is the what is the listing?

[8:06] Chloe Tucker Caine: 304 West 18th Street.

[8:08] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Bye guys, if you haven't seen this music video, are we calling it a music? No, it's a music.

[8:11] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah, the musical.

[8:12] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: The musical. You have to check it out. It's amazing. You're like the cherry floors are going to cherry wood. I don't know anything about real estate. I only know the channel.

[8:20] Chloe Tucker Caine: Thank you so much.

[8:22] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah. Um, so when you had the idea to do that, were you like nervous? Did you think it would be received well?

[8:26] Chloe Tucker Caine: I was so terrified because when I got into real estate, I'm I very much compartmentalized. So I was like, I'm closing the door on theater. I am now a real estate person. I want to be taken serious in real estate. I don't even want people to know that I had this past life of being a theater girl.

[8:45] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[8:46] Chloe Tucker Caine: So when this came about, I was so scared to do it because I was terrified that I wouldn't be taken seriously by people within the industry. But I just felt like this townhouse, which was two bedrooms and five baths, needed something really, really different.

[9:04] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah that would actually make people watch this listing video, which is which are usually quite boring. Right. Um, and yeah, it was crazy how well it was received within the theater community and then within the Broadway community. And it took on a life of its own, and it just goes to show you have to put yourself out there.

[9:22] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah, and you have to just like follow your instincts and be true to yourself, even if you feel like the odd woman out, because didn't you s did you sell it?

[9:29] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[9:30] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: You sold it.

[9:30] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah.

[9:31] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Because I was just watching that episode this morning.

[9:33] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah, we got it sold, it worked, and I mean it was it was a huge success.

[9:38] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: So you're so right, you gotta go for it.

[9:40] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah, you have to just like fight the demons within yourself and just like go with your gut, and it's so beautiful how you could take both of your lives and incorporate them and have it benefit you on both sides because now you know I saw that you are singing for casting directors, you by the time this come comes out, your single will have already dropped.

[10:01] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah.

[10:02] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: So how does it feel now to have had this life that you thought you were closing your passion?

[10:10] Chloe Tucker Caine: You know, it's wild, especially being a new mom. I have a one and a half year old.

[10:14] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Congratulations, she's so cute, by the way.

[10:16] Chloe Tucker Caine: She's a TV star as well.

[10:17] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: She's a reality TV star as well.

[10:19] Chloe Tucker Caine: Guys, I basically could be the spokesperson for Owning Manhattan. It's just fresh in my brain.

[10:23] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: That's amazing. No, um, especially when I became a new mom, I looked at her one day and I was like, I don't want her to look at me and be like, wow, she had all this potential, she was so talented, but she couldn't get out of her own way. And I think that's really been a theme of my life for a long time. Is that no one ever told me I wasn't good enough, no one ever said, Chloe, you're not gonna make it, except for myself. I've always stood in my own way.

[10:46] Chloe Tucker Caine: So I think now in this era of my life, having put myself out there, I just want to keep going.

[10:55] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[10:55] Chloe Tucker Caine: Because I gotta, you know, you can't get in your own way. You gotta just let you know, if other people are gonna do it and be a roadblock, fine, but don't start yourself from a negative place.

[11:05] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah, for sure. And uh that's a lot of what we talk about on the show too, is sort of just like creating your own path and creating your own work, and you've created your own path through something else, which is like even better.

[11:18] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah, because there's no limits, right? I feel like a lot of times in the performing industry, we think we have to do XYZ only and only be looked at like whatever, but it doesn't matter. Like these are things we make up on our own in our own brains that are silly, so silly, so silly. Don't do that. I need to I need to see if you're gonna give me any tea.

[11:39] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah. I am so curious because I know nothing about reality TV. Like, how much of it is like this is actually happening in the moment, or it's like, okay, I'm feeling this now, cameras go.

[11:49] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah, how it works is every single week, everyone in the cast has a call with production, and they're like, What's going on this week? How are you feeling about everybody? And you kind of just word vomit on that. And then they basically say, Okay, what do we want to follow? So you're feeling upset with Jade. Great, don't tell her now, let's get cameras and then have the conversation. So everything is real, it's just they set up the cameras before you start having those conversations or going any deeper.

[12:21] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Right. I want to shout out to your dog. She's how's she doing?

[12:24] Chloe Tucker Caine: She's doing so good. We were really nervous about Sadie. Yeah. I think it's wild too because on the show, they say she oh, she was sick and it was scary, but what they didn't show for whatever reason was that I literally dropped her off at the ICU where the doctor said just FYI, she probably won't make it.

[12:42] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: So that is Right before that scene.

[12:44] Chloe Tucker Caine: Right before that scene. So actually that scene was not set up. That was one where I called tweezers. Like I felt so bad. I wanted to just jump through the screen and give you a hug.

[12:57] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: That's so sweet. So for that one, I had not been on good speaking terms with Jade.

[13:03] Chloe Tucker Caine: Correct. But when that happened, I wanted to call her so desperately and like give her a hug.

[13:09] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah. So I called producers, I said, Hey, listen, I this just happened to me. I really want to go hug my best friend. I'm in the area. If you want to follow it, get cameras there now, because this is what I'm gonna do. And they said, give us an hour. And they got cameras in her house and they said, Fine, do whatever you want to do, give her a call.

[13:27] Chloe Tucker Caine: Oh wow, that's so cool. And it's I think it's so important for the listeners to know because I feel like, you know, the haters are like, This is fake stage or whatever, but like I'm you know, I'm watching, I'm like, this can't this is this is people's lives.

[13:38] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah. Which brings me to ask you how do you have restrictions on like how much you want to share with the world? Because when I say world, like the world, or do you just like let it all go and just not give a fuck?

[13:51] Chloe Tucker Caine: When I signed up for this, I was like, you know what, I'm gonna share everything. There's nothing off the table. You know, if we're gonna make a real show, let's be super real. So I'm super open, you know, the more the better.

[14:04] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah, which is great. And and and you're such a great person and so many different layers to you. So thank you for sharing your life with us, the viewers.

[14:13] Chloe Tucker Caine: Always. Okay, let's talk about Broadway.

[14:15] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah. So what was your favorite Broadway show growing up? And like what like was the moment you were like, I'm gonna be a musical theater actress, I'm gonna be on Broadway?

[14:24] Chloe Tucker Caine: I don't even remember this story, but my mom said she took me to see the Phantom of the Opera when I was like four years old. And the moment when the chandelier comes over the audience. Yes. She said she looked at me and I was bawling.

[14:39] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: When you were four.

[14:41] Chloe Tucker Caine: Oh my god. So that was the day the day she said, All right, I think she really might love theater, and she stuck me in theater camp. So I've been performing since I mean truly since I was out of the womb.

[14:51] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: That is so beautiful. What theater camp did you go to?

[14:54] Chloe Tucker Caine: It was called CCLO Children's Shout Out Opera.

[14:57] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Oh my god, that's so cool. You know, that really shaped me. I'm still very close. She's like my second mom. The head of it, her name was Diane Feldman. That's another woman I have to give a lot of shout-outs to because even now if if I call her, she's like, What's the audition? What's going on? You know.

[15:13] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: So now are you going to start auditioning a little bit more and dip your toes back in? And what is your dream role? If you could be on Broadway next week, um, what's playing right now? What is your dream role?

[15:25] Chloe Tucker Caine: I want to do the Chicago stunt cast, but I want to do Velma.

[15:30] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: I was literally gonna say that.

[15:32] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah. You would be so great.

[15:34] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Thank you. I've done I did the role in high school.

[15:36] Chloe Tucker Caine: Oh, you did? I won a, I think it was like the Jimmy Award award before they started doing the proper like awards. They used to just give out awards to different people that they had come seen. I don't know, don't quote me on this. It was definitely an award. I don't know if it was really we don's not a dream award, but she got the award, guys. Don't worry. But I it's like I I've just loved that show, and I just I've always known that at some point somehow I will do it. I mean, you know, what's her name that got like cheated on? It was like a whole scandal. She was real. Ariana Maddox.

[16:06] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Ariana Maddox can be rock.

[16:08] Chloe Tucker Caine: Oh my God. How about Ariana Come Back for Roxy? You can be Velma.

[16:11] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Oh, we're going to be.

[16:13] Chloe Tucker Caine: I don't know if you've been following from I did see Secret Lives of Mormon Wites and then Dancing with the Stars is gonna be Roxy. But if they want another reality stuff, we can do the reality Broadway crossover. If anybody's listening, she's available. She can sell houses in the morning and then go to Broadway at night.

[16:30] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: There it is. Um, so what advice do you have for anybody who might be listening who feels like the odd woman out in whatever space they're in, whether they're in real estate or they're in a corporate life, or they're auditioning to be a Broadway star?

[16:47] Chloe Tucker Caine: I think you have to practice getting let me say this the right way. You have to start getting really good at being rejected. And also competition. I feel like I I've had so many people reach out to me. I had this woman reach out to me and she said, you know, my daughter, she's in theater camp, she's applying for all the theater colleges. I feel like I'm doing everything else. Like, what am I missing? And I wrote her back and I said, just try your best to get her really comfortable with not getting the role, with being rejected, with having one of her friends book something over her. Because I think that's what gets us really stuck.

[17:27] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yeah.

[17:28] Chloe Tucker Caine: Um, are these ideas in our head of oh god, it's what you said that there's not enough room for everybody. And that's what I think that's what messed me up, was being like, Oh god, I'm not good enough, I'm being rejected. My friend booked something over me where it's a muscle. It's like anything else. Right. The more you can get good at it, the more you can understand it's not personal, the more you could be like, you know what? I'm so happy for so and so for getting something, I'll be next. Yes, you know, just get really good at it. That's my advice.

[17:56] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: I love that. Um, Shoshana Bean just announced she's gonna be in Lost Boys, and that was Casey Levy's part initially, and Casey had to like back out for whatever reason, and they just posted something on Instagram of the two of them being like, this is the what the industry is. It's women supporting women, and if you think anything else, like you're wrong, and so like that just ties right into that of like these two women who one had the part voluntarily backed out, and now one the uh the other, and they're both supporting each other.

[18:27] Chloe Tucker Caine: Shoshana's like, I couldn't have done it without her laying the groundwork, and Casey's like, I am gonna cheer her on every step of the way.

[18:33] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Wow, I love it. And it's just so beautiful, you know, and I think that's part of the reason why I started this show, so that hopefully people are listening, and anybody who feels like they're a failure or their friend is better than them or whatever, they can just believe in their passions and their dreams or something. And your time will come, your time will come. If you put in the work and you try to be a good person and you just keep going, yeah, the time will come.

[19:02] Chloe Tucker Caine: Yeah. Um, do you have a favorite role that you've played in your past?

[19:07] Chloe Tucker Caine: I mean, I like I did it in high school, and I was like, I love this part. Guys, we gotta get this to happen. I know. Hello? Can we figure this out? I'm ready, put me in.

[19:16] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: She does the choreo. Get her in, get her in.

[19:20] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Um has there been an instance since the show has aired where like somebody's come up to you on the street and like connected with you in any way? And can you share that? Specifically, like a woman, maybe like watching you. Also, like I think it's really amazing to see working moms and being a mother and crushing it. And like you took us sort of through your whole journey from your pregnancy to having your daughter to having her in the office, which I think is so important, you know, because I think it's I mean, I am not a mother, so I can't speak, but like it's hard. I can barely do my own life, and I'm not taking care of a human, and so it's really important to see that. So I guess my question is like, has anybody connected with you maybe on that or something else that you've shown on the show that has like inspired you or anything?

[20:08] Chloe Tucker Caine: I've had I was so nervous about putting that audition scene out into the world. Oh my god, it's so good.

[20:14] Chloe Tucker Caine: Thank you. I mean, because you never know. I thought people would be like, Well, why is this girl singing on this real estate show? I just I just was worried that people wouldn't get it.

[20:22] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: The haters, yeah.

[20:24] Chloe Tucker Caine: There's always gonna be haters and trolls. Totally, but it's been really just incredible and magical of how many people have reached out, just being like, I bald at that scene. It meant so much to me, especially being a mom and having a daughter. You've really inspired me to keep going after my dreams, and that to me, like has been the coolest, most satisfying part of all this.

[20:45] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Right, because like that's something I think like from what you said that you were maybe missing. Like that inspiration to just like go for it and do it. And so how beautiful that now you're at this place where you're like, I'm back and I'm doing it, and you're inspiring other performers to be like, fuck it, I'm here and I'm doing it. I think we all think you know, once you become once you become a parent, you kind of have to give up on your dreams or whatever it is. And really, my dream started the day I had my baby because I want to do it for her.

[21:11] Chloe Tucker Caine: I just got chills, that's so beautiful.

[21:13] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Thank you. Chloe, thank you so much for coming on the show. I did not look on my cards once. We were just chatting, and that flew right on by.

[21:21] Chloe Tucker Caine: Well, you're wonderful. Can you let everybody know how they can keep up with you to keep up with your series on your like crushing it on TikTok and all of the things?

[21:30] Chloe Tucker Caine: You can find me at Chloe in Manhattan, all over socials.

[21:35] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: And on TikTok, you guys, you better watch her because if you want to know how to do a trend, Chloe knows.

[21:42] Chloe Tucker Caine: Thank you.

[21:43] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Yay! That was fun.

[21:45] Samantha Dawn Tuozzolo: Hey Odd Squad, it's me again, Samantha Don Tootslow. Thank you so much for tuning in to this episode. Please like, subscribe, and follow. We will be releasing new episodes on most Fridays. So follow us on social media to keep up at Odd Woman Show on Instagram and TikTok. And you can follow me at Sammy Toots. And I'm done.