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[0:00] Tommy Bracco: Hi everyone, it's Tommy and Anjelica, and John's here too, and you're listening to Real Tawk. And Joey's here also. Yeah, well, we got a full house today. Very fun. I don't want to do this.

[0:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: I hate this show.

[0:16] Tommy Bracco: No, he was really—

[0:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: Traders is a terrible show.

[0:18] Tommy Bracco: So I know it took a turn.

[0:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't think it's a terrible show.

[0:23] Tommy Bracco: Wait, I'm sorry. It's not a terrible show that you guys are—

[0:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't think it's a terrible show. I just think it had—I think the first season it didn't know what it was gonna—what its tone was, and it went in a different direction than I would have liked it to, and then I think it thought it was going in—

[0:34] Tommy Bracco: Does that make sense?

[0:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: I got what you're saying.

[0:36] Tommy Bracco: Like it was supposed to be like a gamer show, and I think it's just a fun show.

[0:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, you know, yeah, but it's still a good show. It's just not the gamer show that—

[0:43] Phil Bracco: I can hear you. I can't hear a word you're saying. Can you talk, Dad?

[0:46] Phil Bracco: Yeah, you know, your mic's not on.

[0:48] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I was gonna—hold on, let's pause.

[1:02] Tommy Bracco: Okay, we're back. Okay, I have something to say. I was trying to call—now you're way too close.

[1:07] Phil Bracco: So bad, I was trying to talk and my microphone wasn't working. So, um, I saw a TikTok. The guy was really good.

[1:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: I was still too loud. Back up.

[1:16] Phil Bracco: He said that this show didn't make him louder. The show needs to make its mind up of what it's gonna be. Is it gonna be gamers or is it gonna be people like Dolores and Tom Sandoval, right?

[1:29] Tommy Bracco: Oh, no. Before we go any further, my dad's not checking in. Yeah, it's Chucky again, and he said something dumb.

[1:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: But before we go any further, just people who are listening, just FYI, my dad does not know how to shut off the notifications on his computer, and honestly, there's a lot back. He's gonna write to you. I said stop texting. I'm doing a podcast.

[1:48] Phil Bracco: I want to get rid of the thing off of the phone. I don't want my computer having my text messages.

[1:56] Phil Bracco: I see every single text you get when I'm in this room, right? It's annoying that it's just being Bing Bing Bing.

[2:01] Tommy Bracco: What is he up to?

[2:02] Phil Bracco: He's being annoying. Chucky, he's just talking about politics.

[2:09] Tommy Bracco: All right, anyway, so what that guy was saying, they're gonna make up his mind because you have the gamers that want to play the game, and then you have the ones that are there just to be on TV and have fun, and it ruins the game.

[2:26] Phil Bracco: It's typical America. This is typical America.

[2:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: I read something that like the UK version is so much more serious and better than the American version. They turned it into this—like I guess a fun show, but it's supposed to be serious.

[2:41] Phil Bracco: I'll just—completely irrelevant people. Like they're bringing people on that are air quotes celebrity figures that nobody gives a shit about, and not only does nobody care about, they're not entertaining.

[2:54] Tommy Bracco: Ivor, who the fuck—sorry, Ivor, but who cares about you? And in the game, it's better a regular person who's gonna play hard.

[3:02] Phil Bracco: Sam, Britney Spears' ex, that's his title. Who gives a shit about Britney Spears' ex? Irrelevant, no personality. They're not even bringing people on that are exciting.

[3:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, hold on. When they put the housewives on, it's for the viewers, which is fun.

[3:16] Tommy Bracco: I got a house—

[3:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: But that's what the guy's saying. They're only there to stay on the show longer, to be on TV longer, to have screen time longer.

[3:24] Phil Bracco: Yes, that's what—okay, they're not there to win the game, to play the game, but I get the use of the housewives. They have a very big following.

[3:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, and they're usually crazy and erratic.

[3:41] Phil Bracco: Yeah, so they're TV. They're entertaining. That's what they do on their show. So I understand their purpose. They're not just gonna get all gamers, whatever. It's fine. But like other people are just completely irrelevant, boring, no personalities, not good at the game, don't know how to play the game.

[3:56] Tommy Bracco: And well, I'm not sure Dylan's—Dylan is good for this. You're being—I'm proving you wrong and you're getting upset.

[4:03] Phil Bracco: No, it's just a one-off. All right, Dylan. Who are you there?

[4:09] Tommy Bracco: One person from all right, name more than one person in a season.

[4:12] Phil Bracco: Dad, you're using multiple seasons.

[4:17] Phil Bracco: Yes, Peter and Dylan. Okay, who else? Did the same person?

[4:20] Tommy Bracco: All right, Kate came in. It goes to the same people. Don't even get me started.

[4:21] Phil Bracco: That was another thing. Why the fuck were Kate and Love Kate hysterical? Completely irrelevant to have her in poverty just to sit there with their side talk.

[4:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: Something more—not funny, cringy.

[4:33] Phil Bracco: Yeah, annoying, overused. It was just—it was just every comment section is like competition time means phone time. Like nobody watches the competitions.

[4:40] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, but regardless of that, we already established that the competitions are pointless.

[4:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: But just the extra things, like you think they're doing that in the UK version? They're bringing back fucking—

[4:49] Phil Bracco: No, it was done for viewerships.

[4:49] Tommy Bracco: That's exactly because Casey—now it's Kate's on three years in a row, right?

[4:54] Phil Bracco: Who cares?

[4:55] Tommy Bracco: Poverty was on a half-hour with the directors, producers, or whoever runs the show. He kept screaming, "They don't know what they're doing. Nobody's tuning in to see Sam, Britney Spears' ex-boyfriend, husband."

[5:09] Phil Bracco: But it's true. Nobody—unless he was exciting. I'll go if he was exciting.

[5:12] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, if I was ready to play.

[5:17] Phil Bracco: So you want to say that there's only one person, right? Like Dylan, I'm gonna tell you Tom Sandoval to me is entertaining, but he's like a housewife.

[5:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, yeah, he's entertaining, but I—

[5:27] Phil Bracco: I ever—Sam, I actually think I ever—

[5:32] Tommy Bracco: You think I was good? That I even—there was the other guy.

[5:35] Phil Bracco: No, I ever is the guy—is I ever the one that still left the royal, the boy, right?

[5:40] Tommy Bracco: They have somebody like that every year too.

[5:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, you guys.

[5:46] Phil Bracco: Okay, the only thing I care to talk about right now is Danielle. The only thing I care—

[5:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: I need to show you a video because this is the only thing I care. She posted it. She posted—

[6:01] Phil Bracco: No, that was pathetic.

[6:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: You know, an ET dresses up in the movie.

[6:20] Phil Bracco: No, that is—that's—they are the same person.

[6:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: Danielle, Danielle, because it was all over. It was all over. So she—you know, well, she likes to get ahead of it and post it herself. Um, I think she was terrible yesterday. Terrible.

[6:40] Phil Bracco: My entire TikTok for you page is Danielle. Hey, I've not seen one—

[6:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Not one positive thing in any comment section.

[6:50] Phil Bracco: I don't know. My entire timeline—

[6:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: Danielle, love Danielle, love.

[6:57] Phil Bracco: Yeah, because it's all the reality people that are like—

[7:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: So it really is just the algorithm.

[7:06] Phil Bracco: Yes.

[7:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, no, but I don't know. I don't have a comment section that you are on.

[7:14] Phil Bracco: Mainstream meet like peep viewers.

[7:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: Algorithm. No, I think that I'm on the gamer weird fandoms right timeline.

[7:26] Phil Bracco: You're looking at fans' reactions.

[7:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: He's looking at like other reality stars' reactions. Not just them, but like their reality fans like on Twitter.

[7:36] Phil Bracco: It's the Twitter fan base that loves Danielle, and probably the mainstream people hate Danielle.

[7:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, that our comment sections actually couldn't be worse.

[7:48] Phil Bracco: Yeah, everyone's talking about like that she is the worst human to ever live.

[7:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: But then I think about it. I don't think that I—I said last night, I said what she did today and what Carolyn did today, like the chips fell where they should have. She was just a better of the two losers. That's what she was.

[8:09] Phil Bracco: But it still doesn't change the fact that she is unbearable. The shaking after the roundtable, that was really—that was next level.

[8:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's not like, "Oh, you're this amazing actress." It's embarrassing.

[8:18] Phil Bracco: It's literally about—

[8:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't agree with that. I mean, it's him. You say it's embarrassing, but no one said her name.

[8:25] Phil Bracco: Yeah, what I'm saying is she was—it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing because look at how everyone celebrated. She acted like she just caught the person who murdered her children.

[8:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like the shaking and crying. You can celebrate when getting out a traitor, but it was her neck on the line.

[8:38] Phil Bracco: It wasn't just getting a traitor. It was me versus you, and she didn't know which way it was gonna go.

[8:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Way is it? Yo, she's sitting going, "I brought the receipt." What did you bring? You brought nothing.

[8:49] Phil Bracco: I know. I guess I could be editing her receipt. Her receipts were terrible, but Carolyn was somehow worse.

[8:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know. It could go back to you. We go back to all you have to say is it's funny how you—you were a faithful, but you were giving away your shields like never came up again.

[9:01] Phil Bracco: It was way—Carolyn had so many more receipts that she could have used, and also there was laughs, and that's why I said she was the winner of the two losers.

[9:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, they were both terrible, but Carolyn was just so much more—so much worse that Danielle looks like she actually did a good job.

[9:11] Phil Bracco: I also think that I don't know if bringing in Brittany was the smartest idea.

[9:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: No. Well, that was my notes. Also, listen, listen, listen. People are now definitely going to be looking at Danielle.

[9:25] Phil Bracco: Yeah, Brittany already had her loyalty, right? Danielle already had Brittany's loyalty. It's almost like—

[9:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right, it almost like hurt her. You almost lost a person.

[9:39] Phil Bracco: I know because either way, Brittany was gonna defend Danielle to other people that bring her name—

[9:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, yeah, so I got a question now. Now it makes it harder for Brittany to defend her.

[9:47] Phil Bracco: Yes, yeah, it does. So was Carolyn right when she did not want to bring Brittany in?

[9:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, absolutely right. We agree.

[9:58] Phil Bracco: Yeah, Carolyn just got abused by Danielle in the game—in the game. It was that stupid comp. So I guess the comps aren't pointless because that comp—look what happened.

[10:02] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, Danielle was gone.

[10:05] Phil Bracco: She won. I mean, yeah.

[10:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: And the thing is that that's what Danielle did a great job with that in the game. She didn't even do anything. She just—like Carolyn beat herself.

[10:11] Phil Bracco: Yeah, and she knew. Yeah, you know, that's what I'm saying.

[10:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: She knew that, and even Carolyn goes, "Maybe I made a mistake."

[10:20] Phil Bracco: Yeah, don't know when I was so—I think the biggest mistake Carolyn made was when she tried to guess like whoever—Dolores, when the horse was like, "Oh, you nailed that," and Carolyn was like, "I didn't say anything." Like that was ridiculous.

[10:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: That game ruined her. That game ruined her chances. I think she would have probably went to the end if it wasn't for that game.

[10:40] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I'm sorry. I love Tom Sandoval. Like when he was singing, when he was singing, it was great. Good TV.

[10:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Good TV.

[10:50] Phil Bracco: Yes, you got him and Dolores voting for each other. What? You're wasting votes.

[10:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, I don't like watching people like them because it's not even entertaining for me.

[11:00] Phil Bracco: Um, I just get so bored. I'm like this, you know, who's number one, right?

[11:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: Gabby, number one. She's good too. She's great. Good. She's funny. She's good TV.

[11:11] Phil Bracco: She has great—she's pretty. She's playing the game pretty—she's not playing the game.

[11:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's playing the game in the DR.

[11:20] Phil Bracco: I think saying—

[11:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: Not true. She was saying—she was actually pinpointing, I think it's Danielle.

[11:27] Phil Bracco: Yeah, but they're not doing anything about—

[11:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: So 1.2 seconds of it.

[11:35] Phil Bracco: No, she said it at the end of the episode. I think it was traitor versus traitor. We got to see what she does with that, right?

[11:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, at this point, she doesn't know what he's talking about.

[11:43] Phil Bracco: It's just—I love Gabby. Gabby's—no, I like her too, but she's entertaining.

[11:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, saying it, but she's getting things right.

[11:51] Phil Bracco: But it doesn't matter if you're not acting on it. It's almost irrelevant.

[11:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, like she—it's like these people are good, even Dylan. They're good, but they're not—it's not as good as a gamer.

[12:02] Phil Bracco: I would take a gamer, a regular person over any of these celebs who are playing because they're not playing as good as a gamer could play because they're also not playing for anything.

[12:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, they're not playing for—friend, it was $150,000. Yeah, I guarantee they all got paid more than that.

[12:17] Phil Bracco: Yeah, it's just—yeah, so regular people would be more—I get why they do the celebrities. It brings in quick and easy viewership.

[12:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, but regular people overall longevity would be way more entertaining.

[12:28] Phil Bracco: Everybody says there should be two seasons a year, and it should be Big Brother style with two or three episodes a week. There's not enough information in one episode to be waiting a week long for each one.

[12:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, and you would get two completely different versions of it, and I think it would be amazing.

[12:40] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I think that there should be a celebrity traders and regular traders.

[12:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, regular people are going on for two reasons: either to win the money or get Instagram followers.

[12:50] Phil Bracco: But either way, I don't agree with the Instagram followers part.

[12:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: But it's just—that's just how it is. But at least they'll try to be entertaining.

[12:58] Phil Bracco: Yeah, so still trying to win.

[13:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, you got someone like Sam gave a shit about anything or Nikki, Nikki the girl that was on it. Like, you think these people care?

[13:10] Phil Bracco: Care less. All right, I'm getting paid a good chunk of money to go on and just whatever.

[13:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: Some people get into the game, but like—

[14:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: So do you guys think, my Twitter timeline? I'm still calling Twitter whatever X timeline is obsessed with Danielle. Like, that's so crazy. Welcome back to go. She's a legend for a reason. Do you my whole comment section? But do you think that these people were just wanting an excuse to love her and that they're not actually like, I don't think what she did was that crazy or impressive and do anything? I actually like it. I think better than you guys do. Like the falling on the floor and the acting like no, that was I'm kind of into it. But I still I like it. I'm not mad at it. But even with that said, I just wasn't like wow, that was a sick game move. Tonight's episode will go down in history like no, I was now I don't know.

I think the acting thing is it's more annoying and cringy to me, but I think it's irrelevant to the game. I don't think anyone's looking at her acting be like, Oh my god, she's a fit. I think it's actually making her more look like a traitor. Right? So like the acting is irrelevant to me. I don't think that really means anything. The actual game strategy part. She really didn't do much. What is that? Is that a plane? Yeah, I guess. Oh, wow, it's getting louder. Yeah, it's like a helicopter. Cool. But I love that the listeners are gonna be like, but they might if they might hear it. They might hear it. They might. But yeah, she didn't do anything good in my opinion. I kind of just like Carolyn beat herself.

Yeah, it was it was not that impressive to me. It was everyone saying like out of all the amazing like, there were four traders, three traders were incredible like TV players, like fan favorites and that one trader is Danielle like who's actually unbearable. I know like, I don't know. I just think she's on so now her picking Brittany, right? I think is bad. But even I mean, bad for her bad for her game. Brittany's gonna come in and like John was saying, she's already on her side. She brings somebody else in. Right? Because if you get brought in either going to go home, or you bring somebody else in like your enemy. Exactly. Someone who's on to you. Right, somebody who's on to you because they were already saying your name so they can't they can't bring any more evidence to the table with finding out that you're a traitor. I know. I'm gonna have a opposite effect. Yeah. All right. I can walk that way too. Okay. No, just remind me to say what the other girls are saying in the interviews now.

[16:59] Tommy Bracco: So what this season established is that the traders do not have to work together. And in most cases, they will not in this season. So I think Danielle picking Brittany does, like guarantee that she's going to have some a trader working alongside her that she can trust finally, which she's never had in this game. But let me remind you like, she's played this entire game with her Boston Rob, Carolyn going after each other. So she's doing but sure, absolutely. But they've been going at each other's necks the whole time. She wants to cross the finish line with someone that she trusts. Yeah, I get that bring in your enemy. They could very well turn on you again. We've seen it happen this entire season.

I just think she's going home next week. No, but I do agree with you. And I do think that she set Brittany up to then be a target as well. Because once Danielle goes home, people are going to say, Well, since she's so close with Brittany, she probably took Brittany in. And Brittany is going to become a target also, I think. Yeah, I think the faithfuls are going to win this season gets recruited. Yeah. But like, it also changes the fact of like ignorance is bliss type of thing. Like Brittany is going to defend what Danielle and herself way different and harder if she's a faithful not knowing Danielle's a traitor, then knowing Danielle's a traitor. She's also a traitor. Now you're in your head.

Absolutely. Oh, shit. I don't want to say the wrong thing. I don't want to defend her too much. That's absolutely the way she gets so she almost she had like one number and she like took it away by like half a point because Brittany's gonna care about herself instead of gaining to instead of gaining another number and then having two numbers. I see that I do get that side too. I do. Brittany's not gonna put a neck out to defend go over the top to defend Danielle the way that she would if she was a faithful because she believed Danielle's a faithful right now she knows she's not and she's also not so she's worried about herself. Yeah, Danielle. So it just changes the way I feel like their relationship. I think it's very sweet how they rekindled in this. I just feel like it's very phony.

[19:00] Phil Bracco: What the beef was phony. Oh, no, I don't think so. It was so sweet. Did you guys see your games? Did you guys see that for Shell and Sierra were saying that they're bringing up on the reunion that Danielle was swearing up and down on her grandkids? I think that's that she wasn't a traitor. They're like so disgusted with her. Yeah, I did see that. They're all because they're not gamers. Right. But yeah, that's what everybody says in the comments section. Like they were like, you would never last a day in Big Brother. Yeah, I mean, she's sworn her grandkids who cares? They're alive. Are you not allowed to do that? Guess why you can if you swear on someone's life, that person's not going anywhere.

Those are words they don't literally happen because you said these words out loud. But for non gamers, they don't get it. Non gamers. I could see it being like, but even gamers, Derek was I'm a little hurt that no Danielle went after me. Hurt your your your Big Brother person. He said he respected it. Yeah, he did. I think that's fair what he said. Yeah, me too. I respect it. But I'm hurt. Yeah, that's fine. But he respects her gameplay. It's a game. But he just thought they had a closer bond that she would. So what would he do? What would she do not let you go to the end? Oh my God, what is your beef against save her save Derek? Like, yeah, Brittany, we know. No, this sounds personal. What is your beef with Derek?

I mean, she's literally going out of her way to say Brittany, she could have literally did that for Derek is what he said. Because the truth is, it doesn't really matter. He probably knew that she was a traitor, but still thought that because they had a good bond, she would keep him anyway, because they could just look at what's right. Didn't Brittany say that this episode or someone else said that? No, Brittany said like, wait, I got to rethink this because I think an ally of mine might be yes, keeping me finally got it. By the way, she's been really bad. Dylan said the same thing about Danielle.

[21:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, well, they did a TikTok. By the way, Carolyn, Carolyn, Danielle and Dylan did a TikTok today. And it's under Dylan's TikTok, where they're on both sides of him. And it's like when you have two friends hate each other. Oh, I gotta look at it. Funny. Yeah. Like I thought Carolyn saves herself when she pulled on his heartstrings before the roundtable. And she was like, Oh, that's great. That's good gameplay. She's using personal shit, which some people don't like. But she almost won him over until she terribly couldn't defend herself at the roundtable. I know. And he was like, actually, that was awful. He just went, I wish she did. She just didn't say anything. She just kept repeating what Danielle was saying to her.

She was like, silent assassin. She was just repeating the words that she said to her. Yeah, she had no end, which if she thought it through, you were giving away shields. Why would you do that? Unless you were a traitor? And we said this for weeks. That's just bad. Do we know what the seer is? No, no, it's a brand new power. I know. I'm excited to see what that is. What is a seer in let's look it up. What is a seer? You can see the future. What? Oh, really? So I think what they've got to do, what are you doing? What they've got to do in this game is hurt the traders in those events, right? When you're doing the competition last one, you got to figure out something, right? Like the last one, that actually works. It gave Carolyn away. I think that makes more sense.

[23:11] Tommy Bracco: So maybe the seer, whoever wins the seer will be allowed to essentially gift a shield. So if I have the seer, and I think that John's going to get murdered, I give John, I can protect John- secretly. And then if the traders murder John, he'll be fine. I think that might be what the seer is.

[23:29] Phil Bracco: A seer more is you get a clue, because you could see in the future who the person is.

[23:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay. It says a seer can refer to a person who claims to have special insight or a person who practices divination. It can also refer to a person who predicts future events. I'm very interested to see what this says, but I do think that the game needs to introduce some other elements like the seer-

[23:54] Tommy Bracco: And it will.

[23:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like the way that the three of them in the beginning had to go in the bookshelf. I think the traders need more tasks, activities to expose themselves potentially.

[24:06] Phil Bracco: And like what they did with the game. That was good. That was a good change of the game.

[24:11] Tommy Bracco: Yes, that was great. Yes.

[24:12] Phil Bracco: The game was boring as shit. They made like-

[24:14] Tommy Bracco: Yes, but that was great.

[24:16] Phil Bracco: It was telling. Look, it revealed the traitor.

[24:18] Tommy Bracco: It worked.

[24:19] Phil Bracco: That game. It's crazy, actually, if you think about it.

[24:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: So that's good. I really want Brittany to win, and I'm a little worried about her now becoming a traitor.

[24:28] Phil Bracco: Also, what Brittany-

[24:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: I really want Gabby and Dylan to win.

[24:31] Phil Bracco: What Brittany said goes back not to-

[24:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm a big fan of Brittany. I can't help it.

[24:35] Phil Bracco: Not to get into the whole penalty for not voting for a traitor thing, but exactly what she said was the whole premise of why there should be a penalty for not voting for a traitor at the round table, where she was just like, I know you would make a very entertaining traitor. She wasn't- I'm sure she voted off because she's friends with Danielle, but that's not a game reason.

[24:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: Who was this? Sorry, I missed-

[24:59] Phil Bracco: Brittany said she voted for Carolyn because she knows she would make a very entertaining traitor on TV. That's not a game decision.

[25:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[25:07] Phil Bracco: That's doing it based on, let's guess who Peacock picked as a traitor.

[25:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Here's my question though. If you get a penalty for not voting a traitor, what if you're someone like Gabby who voted for a traitor, but it was not the traitor that got eliminated?

[25:23] Phil Bracco: No, nothing, because you can't give a heads up.

[25:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: She just doesn't- she gets protected.

[25:27] Phil Bracco: Or maybe just-

[25:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: She shouldn't get a penalty.

[25:30] Phil Bracco: She wasn't on the wrong side of the vote. She shouldn't get a penalty. She's not going to get a penalty.

[25:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Or think of how much it would fuck with people's heads. Think of how much it would fuck with people's heads if everyone knew in the game. It's not revealed, but the traitors aren't able to murder anyone that-

[25:48] Phil Bracco: Voted for them.

[25:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Voted for them correctly.

[25:51] Phil Bracco: It's so easy to number that out.

[25:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because then they would be like, oh my god, is she here because the traitors didn't murder her, or because she guessed it correctly? Who'd she guess last night? But yeah, I guess there's not enough people-

[26:05] Phil Bracco: Once it gets to an end, it wouldn't be able-

[26:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, you do that early in the game.

[26:09] Phil Bracco: Yeah, you could do that for the first three weeks. Could fuck shit up.

[26:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's actually really cool.

[26:13] Phil Bracco: Big Brother would do things like that. They would do something for the first couple weeks of the game.

[26:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's really cool.

[26:17] Phil Bracco: The unexpected.

[26:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh my god, I'm actually obsessed with that because then that could introduce a whole other layer. The traitors could strategically go off of who-

[26:25] Phil Bracco: Yes, yes. Where everybody's votes lied. Yes.

[26:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: But I think the traitors already have the upper hand and the power. That's just giving them more.

[26:34] Phil Bracco: Uh-huh.

[26:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: But if you add traitorous activities, I mean, look, they added one traitorous activity and it got Carolyn out right away.

[26:41] Phil Bracco: Yeah. But that's different than giving them a behind-the-scenes control.

[26:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. The faithful do need a little more power. I agree with that.

[26:48] Phil Bracco: So that's just because it can't expose them. It's just another way to manipulate and play mind games behind closed doors.

[26:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: They need more, yeah, shields.

[26:56] Phil Bracco: We need regular people. We need regular people.

[26:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: Regular people, 100%.

[27:01] Phil Bracco: I'm bored. I'm done.

[27:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love it.

[27:03] Phil Bracco: I love it so-

[27:04] Uncle Phil: Uncle Phil loves Ivar.

[27:05] Phil Bracco: I do like Ivar.

[27:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: He's exciting.

[27:07] Phil Bracco: The coward who they show, I know it's edited, he was like, Danielle, he was pumping Danielle, pumping Danielle. And then he gets into the round table, he's like, Carolyn.

[27:15] Tommy Bracco: Carolyn.

[27:16] Phil Bracco: He also went into the kitchen and was like to Danielle-

[27:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Your name's being thrown around.

[27:20] Phil Bracco: For you!

[27:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: He sorted it and then she said, from who? And he said, Carolyn.

[27:24] Phil Bracco: And he's not even doing it as like a sneaky game person. He's like-

[27:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: He's just dumb.

[27:28] Phil Bracco: There's the hand again.

[27:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: But Uncle Phil likes Ivar, yeah.

[27:30] Phil Bracco: I do like Ivar. I do like Ivar. I do like Dylan.

[27:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love Tom Sandoval.

[27:36] Phil Bracco: Because I watched him in other shows and I didn't like him at all.

[27:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: What other shows do you watch him in?

[27:40] Phil Bracco: He was in Special Forces.

[27:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: And I didn't really like him there.

[27:44] Phil Bracco: But he's phenomenal here.

[27:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: I think he's hysterical.

[27:46] Phil Bracco: Yeah, he's funny.

[27:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[27:48] Phil Bracco: If you want it to be a funny game.

[27:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[27:51] Phil Bracco: Right.

[27:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't think it's supposed to be that way, but they've now turned it into that.

[27:55] Phil Bracco: Yeah, they turned the show into something that it wasn't supposed to be.

[27:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like having funny people that don't play the game and having Kate and Poverty come and just-

[28:02] Phil Bracco: I don't even know what their purpose was.

[28:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: It was just to be on and give them-

[28:06] Phil Bracco: Oh, Poverty's on.

[28:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: The return of Kate.

[28:08] Phil Bracco: That's all it was.

[28:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: But I think you're finding these things wrong.

[28:12] Phil Bracco: And I don't think it's really relevant to the game.

[28:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: The game is fine.

[28:15] Phil Bracco: I think there's always going to be improvements.

[28:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love the game.

[28:18] Phil Bracco: I'm loving watching these people.

[28:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's me.

[28:21] Phil Bracco: You just love reality TV though, so.

[28:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay.

[28:24] Phil Bracco: Montoya, por favor.

[28:24] Phil Bracco: Like this sex between two men, even when they're related, it's weird.

[37:45] Anjelica Conti: Totally guilty.

[37:50] Phil Bracco: What?

[37:50] Anjelica Conti: Who's guilty?

[37:53] Phil Bracco: That's not what that was saying.

[37:55] Anjelica Conti: That's literally what we're saying. They were saying how...

[38:00] Phil Bracco: I'm not saying that they're not guilty. They didn't kill their parents. They are guilty of killing their parents. I don't know how guilty of being in a legal sense, but they're not guilty of being in a relationship.

[38:10] Anjelica Conti: But what do you do?

[38:11] Phil Bracco: Nobody was just freaking out that like, of course when you have two gay characters, you're gonna think they're brothers.

[38:17] Anjelica Conti: Oh, they're gay?

[38:18] Phil Bracco: Well, apparently that's gonna be the storyline. That's what it looks like because the younger brother wants to... he's attracted to his older brother.

[38:30] Anjelica Conti: Quick assumption.

[38:31] Phil Bracco: Yes, you're right. You're right. Seems like...

[38:35] Anjelica Conti: You're 100% right.

[38:36] Phil Bracco: But he was trying to flirt with all the girls at the pool. He's talking about...

[38:39] Anjelica Conti: No, the older brother likes just attention, but the younger brother seems attracted to his older brother.

[38:47] Phil Bracco: Yeah, but I think that's a very...

[38:48] Anjelica Conti: We'll have to see where it goes.

[38:49] Phil Bracco: ...assumption to assume.

[38:50] Anjelica Conti: Well, I'm just saying like, I do get what you're saying. Like, conversation within the gay community, people are freaking out that that was the storyline. Well, the same thing happened with the men and his brother's thing. People are freaking out over that too because they're like, this is harmful when you have in mainstream media, gay people who are siblings, like because then it implements that idea into people's brains and makes them...

[39:18] Phil Bracco: I get it. That's what being gay...

[39:20] Anjelica Conti: ...freak out before it happens doesn't make sense to me. I mean, legitimately, nothing happened. But there's been one episode released and it's been implied.

[39:24] Phil Bracco: So let's see where...

[39:27] Anjelica Conti: ...you didn't get that.

[39:28] Phil Bracco: I mean, there's very... No, I don't. There's very different ways that you can say what was implied in that scene. Like, is he just so... is his big brother like his idol? Is he attracted to him?

[39:38] Anjelica Conti: I mean, he was staring at his brother naked in the mirror.

[39:40] Phil Bracco: Maybe, but maybe he's sheltered and his big brother's like opening him up to something different. And like, he doesn't jerk off. And the big brother does jerk off. I don't know. Like, I think this is a...

[39:49] Anjelica Conti: I'm laughing at Parker Posey saying we're a normal family.

[39:52] Phil Bracco: ...you'll see.

[39:54] Anjelica Conti: ...which I didn't recognize her.

[39:58] Phil Bracco: Just quick sister. I knew it was her because I was like sitting there going, Who is this? Who is this? And then I was like, I know.

[40:01] Anjelica Conti: They all looked great. Leslie Bibb looked great. Um, so good.

[40:06] Phil Bracco: The teeth, Michelle Monaghan...

[40:07] Anjelica Conti: Leslie Bibb's the one with the blonde bob, the friend that tells that they're like, I don't know what you're saying about...

[40:12] Phil Bracco: ...there's a girl with teeth that are ugly.

[40:14] Anjelica Conti: No, she's from the Gilded Age.

[40:16] Phil Bracco: Teeth that are ugly? Oh, okay. So you want a shallow Hollywood veneer set of teeth on your screen.

[40:21] Anjelica Conti: She's...

[40:24] Phil Bracco: Don't worry, by the way, he's so shallow. I will take her teeth over Selena Gomez's veneers any single day.

[40:29] Anjelica Conti: Why are you like two people at SNL that night? What do you actually think? I've never like been more blown away by a person on TV ever than this girl. I'm obsessed with her.

[40:45] Phil Bracco: I'm obsessed with personality.

[40:47] Anjelica Conti: Which character?

[40:51] Phil Bracco: She plays the teeth.

[40:55] Anjelica Conti: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I thought she was just love.

[40:59] Phil Bracco: I think it is a thing. Ugly teeth. They're not ugly. They're unique.

[41:04] Anjelica Conti: You can use that word.

[41:07] Phil Bracco: News for you. Your son has a space in between his teeth.

[41:10] Anjelica Conti: I need to go back. He was insulting someone. Oh, Miley is too skinny. He wrote in the chat. He's got a lot of comments. You can see right through her.

[41:14] Phil Bracco: I mean, he's very shallow.

[41:18] Anjelica Conti: He is very shallow. But I'm not saying negative about she had ugly teeth. But it's not what I...

[41:20] Phil Bracco: ...were not ugly. It was just in...

[41:24] Anjelica Conti: ...she's known for those teeth.

[41:27] Phil Bracco: Yeah, because they're not ugly. They're unique. That's why she's known for them. Okay, and she doesn't want to get them fixed.

[41:31] Anjelica Conti: So as she shouldn't.

[41:35] Phil Bracco: As she shouldn't. And Michelle Monaghan's so sick of influencers all looking the fucking same.

[41:38] Anjelica Conti: Yeah, she didn't age well.

[41:42] Phil Bracco: Michelle, I thought she looks great.

[41:48] Anjelica Conti: I got to go. I got to go because she was the most beautiful woman. Do you know what she looked like? Back up 10. Do you know what she looked like?

[41:56] Phil Bracco: She is a beautiful woman.

[41:58] Anjelica Conti: ...looked like. I'm looking at... I was watching it without a bow. And I go, Oh, she didn't age well.

[42:02] Phil Bracco: Are you? He's very judgmental. I want to squeeze his fucking head off of his neck and shoulders.

[42:05] Anjelica Conti: She looked unreal. What are you saying? That doesn't even make sense. She looks so good. She looks so good. It's actually sick how good she looked.

[42:16] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I agree. I feel it's good too. She doesn't look like...

[42:18] Anjelica Conti: ...you're working me up and you're working my baby up and I gotta go.

[42:21] Phil Bracco: Wait, hold on. Hold on to three.

[42:25] Anjelica Conti: No, no, wait. I had to say something about Dr. Will. We don't care. No, it's really important.