This transcript was automatically generated and might contain errors.

[0:08] Tommy Bracco: Hi guys, it's Tommy.

[0:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Angelica.

[0:10] Phil Bracco: Hello, Madeys.

[0:11] Tommy Bracco: It's Philip. Alright, so you're listening to Real Tawk.

[0:16] Tommy Bracco: Alright, so many things just happened in that terrible intro. Let's talk about them. Uh first of all, please everyone welcome my brother Philip. He is filling in for Angelica today. We're so happy he's here. He loves Big Brother. He watched uh me struggle in the house all year last year. And he's been watching for years with me. So we're so excited that he's on the podcast talking about this season with us of All-Stars.

[0:44] Tommy Bracco: Um and then, okay, let's also talk about my dad's uh entrance there because uh it's the same joke and it over and over again in another language. It's not funny anymore. You're losing us. Okay. It's literally I don't even know what German was that. No. What was it?

[0:56] Phil Bracco: It was English.

[1:00] Tommy Bracco: It was English? Hello, Maidys.

[1:06] Phil Bracco: Is that what you said? Hello Maidies?

[1:08] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. Hello? Hello Maidies. Are you speaking?

[1:13] Phil Bracco: I'm really confused.

[1:14] Tommy Bracco: No, this is the German. Typical gibberish. This is terrible. I have to cut all of this out. This is literally terrible. No one could he's trying to play something on the phone. He's trying to up. I knew he was trying to do Germany.

[1:27] Phil Bracco: Yeah, no, this is literally the worst intro for our podcast ever. Let's move on. Can you just explain what you were trying to do and what you failed at? And so everybody at least knows what's going on in this room right now? Because I'm sure they're all majorly confused.

[1:39] Tommy Bracco: Let me explain.

[1:40] Phil Bracco: Okay, explain.

[1:41] Tommy Bracco: I had a another language set up and I practiced it, but I was we were.

[1:45] Phil Bracco: What we what language?

[1:47] Tommy Bracco: I was gonna use it in the future, but I guess.

[1:49] Phil Bracco: But what language was it?

[1:50] Tommy Bracco: Alright, alright. I was gonna do German.

[1:51] Phil Bracco: I knew it.

[1:52] Tommy Bracco: I said German, because I heard his phone when we were outside rehearsing. I heard his phone say German or whatever it was. So I knew that that's the language you were gonna use.

[2:01] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[2:02] Tommy Bracco: You didn't say a hoy Maities, you didn't say English.

[2:04] Phil Bracco: He's still trying to buy it. Terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible.

[2:09] Tommy Bracco: Alright, guys, so that's uh that's just about our intro today. I know. Well, I also would just like to point out that no one told me I was supposed to synchronize like saying real talk with you guys.

[2:20] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[2:20] Tommy Bracco: But I still feel like I nailed it.

[2:22] Phil Bracco: Yeah, you did a good job.

[2:25] Tommy Bracco: So we got the three Bracco boys today on the uh podcast. Look at them. They're already starting on me. Uh-huh. How did I get here?

[2:31] Phil Bracco: We we dragged Philip in. Angelica, this is so typical Angelica for so you guys know why she's not here. She went to Ocean City with her boyfriend. They're away for the weekend, but she just casually in a group chat just dropped that she's not gonna be here until Monday today.

[2:47] Tommy Bracco: So I was like, uh, we're filming a podcast tonight, Angelica. And she's like, Oh yeah. I was like, maybe Phil could fill in. She's then before she was. So we're shopping in what is it? We were in Primark shopping. So we're shopping, and Thomas texts, like, can Philip fill in? And so she goes, Philip, can you fill in? And I go, uh and then she goes, He said yes before he even answered.

[3:11] Tommy Bracco: So Philip got dragged into the podcast, but we're very happy to have him. Alright, cool. Uh so let's talk about Big Brother. You know, it was just kind of we were all waiting for this episode to just happen and be over with because we knew what was gonna happen. We knew Janelle was going home from watching the feeds. Uh it was a cra it was a boring week to watch. It was hard to watch, hard to wait for.

[3:34] Tommy Bracco: Um, but y you know, but then we got to the episode tonight, and it just it's proof why she is the queen of Big Brother. She's incredible. She looked beautiful. She okay, that's the first thing you think of. Sure, got it.

[3:46] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[3:47] Tommy Bracco: No, but she did look beautiful, yes.

[3:48] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[3:49] Tommy Bracco: I think she made a good point like for keeping her over Kesar, like absolutely. She made it. But do you notice that every person that actually has a better campaign is the one that goes home in All-Stars? They're keeping the players that suck on purpose.

[4:02] Phil Bracco: Right.

[4:02] Tommy Bracco: Right. So the pattern that we're seeing is you want to be bad at campaigning when you're playing Big Brother All-Stars. Because if you're actually good and actually make a point, they all send you home. It makes no sense.

[4:13] Phil Bracco: Well, then should we just crown David the winner now?

[4:17] Tommy Bracco: Oh, he's coming in hot. Wow. He's caught right up. I love it. So so I guess the these were these on the feeds, these two things. What was it last night? I think it was last night's episode. The vampire blood.

[4:31] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I loved that segment. Loved it that segment so much. Ian and Ian does it very devious. Like he looks Ian's perfect. Ian is literally perfect.

[4:41] Tommy Bracco: Um, I guess we should try and focus on last night's episode first.

[4:48] Phil Bracco: Yeah, let's talk about last night's episode. We had the veto, Janelle and Kesar lost, Cody won. It's not exciting to watch as a fan, but it's what happened.

[4:58] Tommy Bracco: So let's talk about last night's episode. What do we say? My two favorite things were the vampire blood, but Janelle was putting it on her face, and Ian's like, you know, uh, that is acid, and you think we really be careful with that. And then she finally goes, You're creeping me out and takes it off.

[5:12] Phil Bracco: Yeah, it was great.

[5:13] Tommy Bracco: And then the second thing was the star babies. But how about Ian in the DR with that segment too? Like Ian, he's like, you know, a lot of these people focus on beauty, but me, I don't have to wink or whatever he said. But his wink literally makes it made me melt.

[5:29] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[5:29] Tommy Bracco: I know that I'm not alone. I know that everyone in America is freaking out over Ian in the DR. He's incredible. I hope he lasts long. I want him to win. I really do.

[5:38] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[5:38] Tommy Bracco: I feel like he will. And I feel like as people get out, like you're just gonna see him almost like turn on. Where like right now he's very much like fading in the background.

[5:46] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[5:47] Tommy Bracco: But then at one point I feel like he's just gonna like I guess try hard and go out there and show all his parts. What else from last night's episode do we want to talk about?

[5:56] Phil Bracco: That competition was rough to watch. That the the cupcakes, it's kinda boring. You know what? Kesar.

[6:02] Tommy Bracco: I'm not loving the comps, honestly, this season. I just gotta say, like, you you could talk about Kesar in a second, but I I the comps are not impressing me. This is all stars in there, kinda boring.

[6:11] Phil Bracco: Yeah, and to be honest with you, Kesar being a all-star.

[6:15] Tommy Bracco: Okay, so I guess he just ignored what I said.

[6:18] Phil Bracco: He's a he's literally just one track of my.

[6:21] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, he's got an agenda. So I'll stick with what Thomas is talking about. Can we talk about the comps? They're terrible.

[6:28] Phil Bracco: Like, you know me, I don't watch for drama or anything. Like, I watch for the comps, and like I'm finding them so boring to watch. Like, even the one that's going on right now, it's just like it's ski ball.

[6:42] Tommy Bracco: Yeah.

[6:43] Phil Bracco: Yeah, the competitions. Come on, big brother. You gotta step it up. We w we want the the endurance comps. We want to see you holding on to the vines. We want to see you, I don't know.

[6:52] Tommy Bracco: Okay, uh trying to fill up a jar or whatever.

[6:54] Phil Bracco: Alright, so Kesar, Kesar.

[6:58] Tommy Bracco: No, Kesar.

[6:59] Phil Bracco: Kesar.

[6:59] Tommy Bracco: Alright, so Kesar is a veteran in this game.

[7:02] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[7:03] Tommy Bracco: And he makes a rookie mistake in that comp. Otherwise, he wins that comp.

[7:06] Phil Bracco: Well, comp? Last night.

[7:08] Tommy Bracco: The cupcake one?

[7:09] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[7:10] Tommy Bracco: He got all he got them all done. But the bottoms are walled.

[7:13] Phil Bracco: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, come on now.

[7:15] Tommy Bracco: Alright, so moving on. What do we want to talk about next?

[7:18] Phil Bracco: Um I'm I want to talk about Bailey and Dayvon's game and Kevin.

[7:24] Tommy Bracco: Bailey, Dayvon, Kevin, Ian.

[7:28] Phil Bracco: Um I'm missing anybody who's technically labeled as a floater.

[7:33] Tommy Bracco: David.

[7:33] Phil Bracco: David.

[7:34] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. You forgot him already.

[7:36] Phil Bracco: No, I know. He's he's not memorable at this point. Um but it's so frustrating to watch because they know what's happening with their games. There is a big alliance in charge, and no one wants to take the shot at them.

[7:51] Tommy Bracco: Hold on. They don't w they want to vote with the house to not cause any waves.

[7:56] Phil Bracco: And Janelle called them out tonight in her eviction interview with Julie. She's a hundred percent right. It's so frustrating to watch.

[8:04] Tommy Bracco: No. And here's here's the problem with that. No, because they don't know they're in, they're not going to be able to do that.

[8:10] Phil Bracco: No, they know. Janelle, I mean, I don't know, Dayvon and Bailey think they're in the alliance.

[8:15] Tommy Bracco: No, they don't. Not after this mess up with David that happened tonight.

[8:18] Phil Bracco: Well, they're starting to get well, David's not in the slick six, is he?

[8:21] Tommy Bracco: David is not in the slick six, but that's my point. The slick six, I feel like is what's keeping them from really making any moves. I think it did do well at like pacifying them almost.

[8:32] Phil Bracco: Right, right.

[8:33] Tommy Bracco: Because they are like, I believe Janelle is right, but I need to put all my cards in the slick six because if I don't, then I have nothing.

[8:42] Phil Bracco: Right.

[8:42] Tommy Bracco: They they yeah, yeah, I hear that. I hear that. So that's the bottom line. Once they really, really figure that out, they can now say, Yeah.

[8:50] Phil Bracco: So this the reason why I I guess we're skipping ahead to tonight's episode now. Last night's episode was kind of want wah. I guess you know what?

[8:56] Tommy Bracco: Actually, before we jump to tonight's episode, I just want to say one more thing. I Danny, Danny, Danny, Danny.

[9:04] Phil Bracco: I love her.

[9:05] Tommy Bracco: I love what we're seeing from her. Last night she proved that she is the Big Brother 22 villain, and I'm here for it.

[9:11] Phil Bracco: Yeah, she's definitely a D.

[9:12] Tommy Bracco: I love it. She's definitely a villain. What she told uh Nicole to do was kind of mean. She basically said, uninviter in your wedding in your eviction speech.

[9:21] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[9:22] Tommy Bracco: And that's kind of mean. But she is being mean, but she's going in the DR and owning it.

[9:27] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[9:28] Tommy Bracco: So there's a difference in people doing it and then not owning it in the right.

[9:28] Phil Bracco: Right, right.

[9:32] Tommy Bracco: It's like when someone's doing something, but they say they're doing it, you can respect it. But when they're like, I'm not doing that, no, I'm being very kind, like I'm like being bullied, and like I have to just retaliate. It's just like No, that's not the truth.

[9:45] Phil Bracco: Right.

[9:45] Tommy Bracco: Take ownership. Just own what you're doing, and then people will root for you more. In the words of Brett Robinson, just own it.

[9:52] Phil Bracco: Mm-hmm.

[9:53] Tommy Bracco: Um, okay, so now jumping ahead to tonight's episode. Uh, we saw David messed up a lot.

[9:59] Phil Bracco: He messed up big time.

[10:00] Tommy Bracco: Uh, he let Tyler and Cody's name slip out of his mouth. It revealed to Dayvon and Bailey that they are not working as tightly with Tyler and Cody as they thought.

[10:10] Phil Bracco: And this is a big deal because I think that you're correct, Philip, that Dayvon and Bailey were being pacified because they were in the slick six, but this mess up, what what what?

[10:23] Tommy Bracco: What is that face, Dad?

[10:24] Phil Bracco: I was saying the same thing as Philip, and you gave him all the credit.

[10:27] Tommy Bracco: Because he's the one that vocalized it, not you.

[10:30] Phil Bracco: If you go back to the tape, you'll hear that I said it also.

[10:32] Tommy Bracco: I don't think you did.

[10:33] Phil Bracco: No, you said it, right?

[10:35] Tommy Bracco: We both said it.

[10:36] Phil Bracco: Okay. You know what? It doesn't really matter.

[10:38] Tommy Bracco: So yeah, uh, it was a big week. Queen Janelle went out, and that that sucked.

[10:43] Phil Bracco: Well, wait, are we still talking about David?

[10:45] Tommy Bracco: No, David, we gotta continue on, David.

[10:46] Phil Bracco: Yeah, let's talk about let's continue to talk about David.

[10:49] Tommy Bracco: Yes. So I guess here's what I was gonna say, because last year I found like he seemed so intuitive on what was going on in the house. So like, and he was able to vocalize it, I feel like, in game talk. With where he was just saying, like, even to Cat, like, if you don't know there's an alliance, you're not in it, right?

[11:03] Phil Bracco: And this year you're seeing him, I feel like it's like last year he went in with no experience, he didn't really watch the show, and this year I feel like he tried to maybe do some research and now is trying to use what he saw, but doesn't know how to.

[11:18] Tommy Bracco: And it's just kind of like turned into like he knows he needs to talk, like, so he goes to talk to them, but then he's trying to use I feel like lingo that he's seen, and it's just backfiring because he's saying the wrong things.

[11:31] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[11:31] Tommy Bracco: No, that a hundred percent is exactly what happened. He actually got every single person mad at him.

[11:37] Phil Bracco: That is really helping him in this house.

[11:39] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. It was insane how bad he was this week. But I actually think it could be good for him, his longevity in the game because he's not a threat.

[11:48] Phil Bracco: If anybody in that house is sitting next to David in the final two, they will probably win.

[11:55] Tommy Bracco: He's played a terrible game.

[11:56] Phil Bracco: Well depends how he does later on, though.

[11:58] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, at at this point. I that's very fair. At this point, I would say that. He could still be learning, and then once he learns, yep, boom.

[12:06] Phil Bracco: Absolutely.

[12:07] Tommy Bracco: I and you know why, I gotta say, as frustrating as it is to watch David on the feeds, you know, in tonight's edit on the actual show, we see David is a good guy.

[12:19] Phil Bracco: David is literally, he's an incredible person.

[12:22] Tommy Bracco: He really, really is. Um, he's not great at the game. He did no research. Last year, I think that you're right, Philip, that last year his inexperience actually worked to his advantage.

[12:35] Phil Bracco: But this year, just from having played last year, uh being in the world, seeing the feedback on social media from last year, I think he knows a little more, and therefore he's just it's like putting uh a person that never played baseball before in a major league game is what it's like to watch.

[12:53] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, and the difference last year he wasn't in with All Stars.

[12:57] Phil Bracco: Right, absolutely, yeah.

[12:58] Tommy Bracco: Everyone was inexperienced.

[12:59] Phil Bracco: Right, right.

[13:00] Tommy Bracco: So I think, you know, but I will say David is literally just he's one of the greatest people that I've ever like when I when I have a conversation with him, he's just so great, and you could see that in the edit that he he's owning up to the fact that he messed up.

[13:18] Phil Bracco: Absolutely.

[13:18] Tommy Bracco: That's right. And I respect that.

[13:19] Phil Bracco: Like owned up to it. He's not fighting, he's not trying to, you know, he messed up, he slipped and he's admitting it. So he also intimidated too, because like talking to Tyler, like he can't say anything besides like I'm sorry, and like trying to like he just kind of is like, alright. I've already messed up enough, can't do anything else. I'm just gonna keep hurting myself. What he should have done is lie to Tyler and not say he gave the name up.

[13:46] Tommy Bracco: Why?

[13:47] Phil Bracco: Because he why get himself in trouble with Tyler then?

[13:50] Tommy Bracco: But at least now.

[13:51] Phil Bracco: It's gonna come out.

[13:52] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, it's gonna come out at some point.

[13:53] Phil Bracco: And that's gonna come into my theory for later.

[13:57] Tommy Bracco: What it should which is what Phyllison.

[13:59] Phil Bracco: No, what we'll get to it.

[14:00] Tommy Bracco: I know we'll get to it.

[14:01] Phil Bracco: We're getting to it now.

[14:02] Tommy Bracco: I want to know.

[14:03] Phil Bracco: When it comes up, you'll know.

[14:04] Tommy Bracco: Alright.

[14:05] Phil Bracco: What?

[14:05] Tommy Bracco: Alright.

[14:06] Phil Bracco: Continue.

[14:07] Phil Bracco: I mean, now I literally have nothing else to say. The episode's over. Just say what you want to say now.

[14:12] Tommy Bracco: Alright. Is there anything you want to talk about from the episode?

[14:15] Phil Bracco: I just want to say Janelle was savage also tonight. She was great. The way I love when she said, Oh yeah, I knew that Dayvon Bailey and Kevin weren't gonna vote for me. I know what kind of players they are. Just like, whoa, really? Hit 'em where it hurts. Like, she's right though. She's calling them out. Love that Danny did the rogue vote. Um Nicole Franzel looks like she's struggling in there.

[14:39] Tommy Bracco: Big time.

[14:40] Phil Bracco: I she I was very sad. She looks tired. She looks like she's just not herself. I don't know how it's gonna go over her uninviting Janelle. Uh they didn't get into it. Like Janelle's anti-wanted Julie to get into it. What more is there to say? Like you know, like that's more between them than like.

[14:56] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, but with the mask on her face, you really couldn't see Janelle's response.

[15:04] Phil Bracco: I mean, it I feel like in her mind, she's kinda like, you're right, I really don't want to go.

[15:08] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[15:09] Phil Bracco: She's there's no love lost there. She didn't even acknowledge it.

[15:13] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[15:13] Phil Bracco: Yeah. She was like, oh yeah. But what I will point out is like when Julie was giving her like information, which I'm assuming again confirms there's no battle battle.

[15:24] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[15:25] Phil Bracco: But um, with that information, like she was completely blinded by Memphis, right?

[15:30] Tommy Bracco: Yeah.

[15:31] Phil Bracco: And so now she's worried about Casey, which was like very sweet too, where she's like, oh no, she's like very worried about him. He doesn't know. But like, here's the thing like if he ends up winning HOH, I do feel like he can still get Memphis. Because everyone really does see through Memphis.

[15:52] Tommy Bracco: So, like, if Casey wins, they're all gonna tell him, I think.

[15:56] Phil Bracco: Right, absolutely. And throw him right under the bus. And then Memphis isn't gonna have any choice but to work with him.

[16:02] Tommy Bracco: Right, absolutely.

[16:04] Phil Bracco: So, like, while she's worried about it, I feel like he's not gonna be there long enough if he doesn't win. Casey's gonna win this HOH. I re I'm putting it out there. I want it to happen. Please, God, if you hear me, big brother gods, make Casey win HOH.

[16:19] Tommy Bracco: We want that so badly. Because what would happen if Casey wins HOH, I think he would want everyone in the house would wind up giving him information.

[16:27] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[16:27] Tommy Bracco: And it would set it wouldn't be so much that he would get out a target. It would be more so that he sets himself up for the future of the game. And I we want a game where Casey makes it to the end in this.

[16:41] Phil Bracco: I mean, at this point I just want a game.

[16:43] Tommy Bracco: Like I know, I know, I know. Quick question. Cody wins the HOH. Does he put up Kevin and David?

[16:50] Phil Bracco: Probably, yeah.

[16:52] Tommy Bracco: That makes sense. I think that right now they're all sick of David. Maybe Casey.

[16:56] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[16:57] Tommy Bracco: Maybe Casey and David. I know, but yeah, no, I don't think. I feel like Kevin won't go up with uh I don't know, because they might still want David because they're still working with him even if they don't trust him.

[17:10] Phil Bracco: Here's the issue. They want David out, they're gonna want to put him up against somebody and make them want to put out the wrong.

[17:17] Tommy Bracco: I bet it'll be Casey and Kevin. But then they might want to vote out Casey. That's my point. Casey and Kevin backdooring David is what I would think they would want to do.

[17:25] Phil Bracco: Really?

[17:26] Tommy Bracco: Mm-hmm.

[17:26] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[17:27] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I don't think that they because David will try and blow shit up if he knows that he's on the block at the start of the week. I think they want to give him less of an opportunity to do that.

[17:39] Phil Bracco: Okay. That makes sense. You know, you put up Casey and uh Kevin, there's no blood on your hands. You're nominating two people who've already been nominated.

[17:46] Tommy Bracco: Well, um I honestly think even though he's working with Tyler, like I feel like no one's really working with him. So he's kind of there, like having to grasp at straws and just feel like no one wants to talk game with him if they try like well.

[18:01] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I hear that. And you know what? Actually, on that note, I want to play devil's advocate a little bit. Okay, so David tells the secret, and what does it do? It blows up uh Cody and Tyler's game. Is that bad for David's game?

[18:16] Tommy Bracco: No.

[18:17] Phil Bracco: It puts a target on their back instead of David's. It takes the target off. I mean, listen, no, no, no. Tyler and Cody are now targeting David. Not a good thing. But he drew light to the fact that Tyler and Cody are playing both sides. Now Davon and Bailey do not trust Tyler and Cody because of this move that David made. So, to be fair, it might have not been the worst thing in the world.

[18:44] Tommy Bracco: So was it for David's game because he gets to just he gets to just walk away and then say, I'm rookie, I messed up, I made a mistake, your name slipped out of my mouth. I'm so sorry. I wish I could tell you. They got it out of me. But they got it out of me. I'm so sorry, I messed up. But the fact of the matter is, it it he put the target on Tyler and Cody's back. He exposed them. And that the only reason why David's playing a bad game, I'm doing air quotes right now. The only reason why David's playing a bad game is because he blew up everybody else's game. Is that a bad thing?

[19:16] Phil Bracco: No, he just exposed them. So maybe this was the plan that Ovi came up with.

[19:22] Tommy Bracco: What?

[19:22] Phil Bracco: Because Ovi taught him how to play the game before he went back into the house.

[19:26] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, him and Ovi definitely talked beforehand and they're going to be able to do it. So maybe, maybe this is the master plan by Ovi.

[19:32] Tommy Bracco: I don't think so.

[19:33] Phil Bracco: Ovi won Kenobi.

[19:39] Tommy Bracco: Right. Then you can say it could be a good game move.

[19:42] Phil Bracco: Right. And you don't actually own it in the DR.

[19:46] Tommy Bracco: I'm having faith in the state.

[19:48] Phil Bracco: When it's not strategic, I think I think it's luck. I'm having faith it was Ovi.

[19:52] Tommy Bracco: But it doesn't make any sense, Dad.

[19:55] Phil Bracco: That's not what Ovi told him to do. You just I don't know what you're saying.

[19:58] Tommy Bracco: No, I know, even on Thomas Media. He has to blow up the people who he's not working with. Like in doing this. All of his allies are going after each other, he's just gonna lose his allies.

[20:17] Phil Bracco: I'm dumb. I'm I'm I'm thinking. I'm a little stuck on that one. I don't know. I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'm saying, like, Thomas Crash.

[20:26] Tommy Bracco: No, because I'm watching Tyler and Cody, and they're so upset. They're like, dude, he's a rookie, he made a major mistake. Why? You're just mad that he exposed your game. Like, I'm sorry.

[20:35] Phil Bracco: No.

[20:36] Tommy Bracco: Right, but again, it's his allies. It's not blowing up a game of someone who's not trying to work with you. They're his allies who are also a major threat in this game. If he can get them to still be his allies and have exposed them, not a bad game move.

[20:52] Phil Bracco: Hmm.

[20:54] Tommy Bracco: I think I think you gotta call Ovi.

[20:56] Phil Bracco: I this has nothing to do with Ovi. Nothing.

[20:59] Tommy Bracco: I know. Listen, Ovi was on social media and he said I gave him three things to do, and it looks like he did none of them.

[21:06] Phil Bracco: Right.

[21:07] Tommy Bracco: So why would you say it's Ovi's plan?

[21:10] Phil Bracco: You said this might have been Ovi's plan.

[21:12] Tommy Bracco: Ovi literally wrote on on his uh Instagram.

[21:14] Phil Bracco: Except there was one thing that he Um there's I don't know. I don't think this even makes sense. Like people listening are not even gonna know what you're trying to say right now.

[21:23] Tommy Bracco: No no sense.

[21:25] Phil Bracco: No sense. I'm I'm giving kudos to Ovi. That's what I'm for what? Because Ovi master planned the game with him.

[21:32] Tommy Bracco: Because Ovi pre like He just wants to say that Ovi was working with him in the game.

[21:36] Phil Bracco: Right, but that's what he's trying to get across.

[21:39] Tommy Bracco: Yes.

[21:40] Phil Bracco: But well I like but what Moving on.

[21:44] Tommy Bracco: Move on.

[21:44] Phil Bracco: You know what? Listen, all I could tell you is that I was 100% right. This was not an all-star season beginning the sea uh beginning of the year, and it has not been an all-star season. You don't give me the credit I deserve. You make fun of me. I'm telling you that I think Ovi had a plan with David to make him look stupid, and then people get voted out, and he's there near the end.

[22:04] Tommy Bracco: Literally nothing you're saying makes sense.

[22:06] Phil Bracco: Why don't we talk about the two votes?

[22:10] Tommy Bracco: Alright, let's talk about him.

[22:11] Phil Bracco: Enzo and Danny gave two votes to Janelle. Why? Why did they do that?

[22:15] Tommy Bracco: Why?

[22:18] Phil Bracco: Do you think they're gonna try and pin it on Bailey and Davon?

[22:21] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, that's according to the feeds, that's exactly what's happening.

[22:26] Phil Bracco: Woof, that's gonna suck. That's gonna really, really suck. But I think it's gonna be very easy for them to prove and it's just gonna So let's say like is their goal to lie to their alliance or their alliance plan it.

[22:40] Tommy Bracco: Their alliance didn't plan it.

[22:41] Phil Bracco: I think just the two of them.

[22:42] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[22:43] Phil Bracco: So let's say Tyler really, I think trusts Bailey. So like if Bailey's telling him I didn't do it, and then he knows it's coming from his alliance, he's gonna be like, My alliance is lying to me. So it's just gonna cause more friction, I feel like, in the alliance.

[22:56] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, absolutely, and there's already some friction within the alliance. And it depends, I guess, who wins HOH, but I think it could make it even more interesting because let's say, like, Bailey or Davon win.

[23:09] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[23:09] Tommy Bracco: Right? Like, they're gonna know they're not the rogue vote.

[23:13] Phil Bracco: Right.

[23:13] Tommy Bracco: And so it's gonna be like, alright, well, who did it? And like it's gonna be so easy for them to just be like, why would I do that? Such a bad game move.

[23:19] Phil Bracco: Right.

[23:19] Tommy Bracco: A rogue vote has no weight until you see who wins the next HOH. Sometimes you can use the rogue vote to plant a target on someone's back, someone specific, but it really all comes down to who's gonna win HOH. Because say Bailey wins HOH. She's like, I know I didn't do that vote. Who did? She will get to the bottom of it, and then that person will go up. So if Davon or Bailey become the HOH, Danny and Enzo are in major trouble.

[23:47] Phil Bracco: So was it just the two of them planned it?

[23:49] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, just the two of them planned it together.

[23:51] Phil Bracco: That's it.

[23:52] Tommy Bracco: So interesting.

[23:53] Phil Bracco: Mm-hmm.

[23:55] Tommy Bracco: Yep.

[23:55] Phil Bracco: Just to create chaos in the house.

[23:57] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. It's gonna be a chaotic week. I can't wait to see who wins HOH. Usually at this point of uh our podcast, um, usually at this point of the week, we know who won HOH and we get to make predictions of how we think it's gonna go. But that's not the case today.

[24:12] Phil Bracco: Well, let's see. We can still predict based on the groups and what we think is gonna happen. So we know Casey's in the final round, right? And then Ian had one already, and then who Nicole Franzel had another one.

[24:24] Tommy Bracco: Right, so let's Holly Quinn. That's what she looked like tonight. Let's say the three of them move on. Who's in the next group? Like, Tyler's in the next group.

[24:31] Phil Bracco: He can't play.

[24:34] Tommy Bracco: Oh, he can't play, right? Tyler can't play, so it's Bailey, Kevin, uh, Enzo, Danny, Cody. They're all good. And Memphis.

[24:42] Phil Bracco: That's a good that's a good one.

[24:45] Tommy Bracco: Right, but that's what I'm saying. A lot of the good ones in one group.

[24:47] Phil Bracco: Are in one group.

[24:48] Tommy Bracco: You're right. So Casey then maybe has a better chance because only three of those can move forward.

[24:54] Phil Bracco: So, like, I mean, yeah, that's that's really true. Anyone in his group he demolished, so we already know he's better than them.

[25:00] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[25:00] Phil Bracco: So he's only got to beat out three more people.

[25:03] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, that's really true. Odds are in his favor. Uh we look how good Philip is. I love when he's on the podcast. Do we think that that's done on purpose? The groupings?

[25:12] Phil Bracco: I I don't think so. I think they really you pick it out of a hat.

[25:17] Tommy Bracco: You really literally do. Okay. I didn't know that I wasn't on the show before, so I don't know.

[25:21] Phil Bracco: Okay. Wow. He's coming for me.

[25:23] Tommy Bracco: Yikes.

[25:24] Phil Bracco: Well, you came for me the whole show.

[25:27] Tommy Bracco: So what do you want me to do?

[25:29] Phil Bracco: Um, I have some questions that were asked. Is it time for questions?

[25:31] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, let's go to alright, let's do some questions, guys.

[25:34] Phil Bracco: So, uh, alright. Now it's hard for me to say names sometimes, but this is List the Tamar.

[25:40] Tommy Bracco: That's not English.

[25:42] Phil Bracco: List the Tamar.

[25:44] Tommy Bracco: List it ta uh list. Oh god, Dad.

[25:49] Phil Bracco: Um Lissa Tamar.

[25:53] Tommy Bracco: Lisa Tamar.

[25:54] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I guess. Shoot.

[25:58] Tommy Bracco: Sorry, Lisa Tamar.

[26:01] Phil Bracco: But yay, thanks for writing a question. We like her.

[26:04] Tommy Bracco: Well, first off, whoever said you guys should be saying names, because you are always the worst at it.

[26:10] Phil Bracco: So I think you're gonna butcher anyone you try and say, alright.

[26:14] Tommy Bracco: Alright, so Lisa Tamar. She uh I guess it's a she. It's a picture of a girl there. Oh god.

[26:21] Phil Bracco: Oh god.

[26:22] Tommy Bracco: Well, I got her wrong the last time. She's so embarrassing. Alright. Anyway, my question for the podcast: Danny's dad, Evil Dick, confirmed that there was pregaming between Nicole, Cody, and Danny. They formed an alliance before coming into the house. Feeders are upset about this because it makes it unfair to other house guests.

[26:41] Tommy Bracco: And production is letting them get away with it. Making the season boring. Do you guys feel this is fair?

[26:47] Phil Bracco: Um, no, I don't think it's fair because it's a breach of contract. It literally is.

[26:52] Tommy Bracco: The pregaming?

[26:54] Phil Bracco: Yeah, pregaming is a breach of contract. It is. It's cheating. Listen, I understand that it happens, um, and I understand that it is a big part of the game at this point, but the fact of the matter is it is cheating. You sign a bunch of NDAs saying that you're not gonna tell anybody when you're going on the show. If you tell your friends and talk about it ahead of time and make a plan ahead of time, you are cheating. That's it. That's what it is. And it is unfair to people like Nicole Anthony who wouldn't do that.

[27:26] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, Nicole Anthony wouldn't tell some of her closest friends. She didn't want to take that risk. She's not a cheater. Um, I don't think that these people are horrible for pre-gaming, but I do think that it is cheating.

[27:43] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[27:44] Tommy Bracco: Mm-hmm. What do you do, Philip?

[27:46] Phil Bracco: I hate pregaming. Because this whole entire season's different if no one did that. Like, yeah. Nicole, I think, is still in the house. I think even Keisha might still be in the house. Like, it's everyone who's in the alliance. I feel like it's people who've pre-gamed in some form with each other.

[28:01] Tommy Bracco: Yeah.

[28:02] Phil Bracco: And that's why I think there's so many spider webs, because so many people were talking outside and they're just kind of waiting to see who they need to really cling on to. Alright, here's a good question from Liana Diorio. Uh, her Instagram is @ofPearl. Do you think that Caseer was a detriment to Janelle's game? I can't help but wonder how the house would have been different if Janelle was playing alone. Please discuss.

[28:27] Tommy Bracco: Hmm. That's a great question. I think it goes to both of them. If either of them didn't have the other one, it would have been much more beneficial.

[28:36] Phil Bracco: Like you and Christy.

[28:37] Tommy Bracco: Like if Christy wasn't there, it would have been better for you. If she, if you weren't there, it would have been better for her.

[28:43] Phil Bracco: Absolutely. I think that being a duo puts a major target on your back. And the fact of the matter is this was the third time that Janelle and Caseer have been put on the block together. They're, this is not their first rodeo. They've been doing this for a while. So I do think that both of them were a detriment to each other's game. Um, you know, it's got me thinking though, actually, another reason why they should have taken out Caseer tonight over Janelle, they've evicted three girls pre-jury. That means that the jury is gonna be predominantly male. So if I was a girl left in that house, if I was Danny, even Nicole Franzel, who obviously her and Janelle don't get along. If I was a girl in that house, I would fight so hard to keep Janelle just to try and even out the jury.

[29:37] Tommy Bracco: Um, if say Danny and Cody are sitting on the final two chairs together, uh, a jury that's predominantly male is probably gonna vote for Cody to win over Danny. It, the girls have less of a shot of winning when you put all the guys in the jury. That's my opinion.

[29:55] Phil Bracco: Um, I don't know if I necessarily agree with that. Because like take Nicole, like everyone says she's more likely to be friends with a guy. So Nicole's more likely might be to vote for a guy. And even though she's a girl, it's not like counting her as I'm gonna vote for a woman.

[30:12] Tommy Bracco: And no, I think I really think it. I don't know. If I was on the jury, I would vote more based on game rather than gender because—

[30:16] Phil Bracco: Well, that's how the Broncos roll.

[30:24] Tommy Bracco: Absolutely, yeah. We vote based on game.

[30:26] Phil Bracco: Absolutely. I would, I'm proud to say that. I think all of us would vote based on game and not emotionally, but I think that you also vote for who you connect with more.

[30:36] Phil Bracco: Well, Bailey brought it up in the house meeting that they had, you know, with that alliance. Uh-huh. And basically Danny and Nicole were like, nah, we're okay with the guys in this group. It's not a problem.

[30:46] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[30:47] Phil Bracco: So they got shot down.

[30:49] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. Alright, this next question is from Liz Skokin. Liz wants to know, do you think Danny, and Cody for that matter, is keeping Nicole close, not only because they're friendly outside, but she, uh slash he wants to have a winner in her pocket to go against in Final Two?

[31:07] Phil Bracco: Why would you want to go against a winner in the final two?

[31:10] Tommy Bracco: Because if a winner makes it to Final Two, they're gonna win again. The fact that a winner can make it that far, they're probably, I think would think that the winner would get the votes over the person that hasn't won.

[31:20] Phil Bracco: It depends. Somebody may not want somebody to be the second winner.

[31:25] Tommy Bracco: I think that's the stupidest thing. If you know Ian and Nicole Franzel talk about it, the million dollar club.

[31:32] Phil Bracco: Right.

[31:32] Tommy Bracco: They're the only one that's going to be able to do that.

[31:33] Phil Bracco: But that's why they want to go against each other.

[31:35] Tommy Bracco: Right, right. But they said they're worried about people not wanting to give them the second win.

[31:41] Phil Bracco: But I think if they actually played a game that is deserving to get there, like right now I would say if Ian makes it and like he ends up switching and starts really like gaming and doing really well, like I would say he would deserve it because he did show that he was and if he's able to vocalize that in his final speech, which I think is a big thing.

[32:02] Tommy Bracco: Which he would because he's amazing.

[32:04] Phil Bracco: Right. I think, but that's I think the biggest thing when again you can own what you've done and explain how to do it. Like even, even the segment with Ian on this hammock tonight, how he was talking about he's purposefully playing dumb because people think of him as a smart person. He's trying to make sure that that's not the reputation he has in the house this year.

[32:24] Tommy Bracco: Against Nicole, like at this point, let's say like she was in, it's far away, so it's hard to really even theorize about a lot of this. But like let's say she's in the final two, and she's saying, like, I did this, this, and this, I like made all these alliances, I was running the house with these people. Like those are all the people that she was working with.

[32:44] Phil Bracco: So I feel like they're gonna be like, No, you really weren't running the house. Like, we were doing the winning the comps, we were making the decisions, and you were just going along with it. Like they know her game because they're the ones playing with her. You know what I mean?

[32:56] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, a hundred percent. Like Ian, if he said these things, I feel like they'd be like, Oh, like he did this, and 'cause they wouldn't have be able to fact check him.

[33:03] Phil Bracco: You know what's funny? He's really got some good insight.

[33:06] Tommy Bracco: Philip, I know, he's smart.

[33:08] Phil Bracco: Very smart Sean.

[33:10] Tommy Bracco: Mm-hmm. Very interesting. He might actually compete with me.

[33:13] Phil Bracco: For what?

[33:15] Tommy Bracco: You know, there's no competition between us.

[33:17] Phil Bracco: For what?

[33:18] Tommy Bracco: Being like, you know, good in games.

[33:21] Phil Bracco: There's literally no competition between the game.

[33:22] Tommy Bracco: Being good in games, I'm so confused.

[33:24] Phil Bracco: What game has you have you guys played?

[33:25] Tommy Bracco: I forget it.

[33:26] Phil Bracco: Well, what do you mean? What game have you guys played?

[33:28] Tommy Bracco: Being the smartest man in the room.

[33:30] Phil Bracco: Right.

[33:30] Tommy Bracco: Yes. Like that's what he's going towards.

[33:33] Phil Bracco: But we already know he loses every time.

[33:36] Tommy Bracco: I wish you guys could actually play Big Brother because I bet neither one of you would be able to get to fifth place even.

[33:44] Phil Bracco: Yeah, we won't float on by.

[33:47] Tommy Bracco: Absolutely not. Don't you dare call me a floater!

[33:50] Phil Bracco: Alright, so explain your game then.

[33:53] Tommy Bracco: No, that my game is in the past. We've moved on. We've moved on. All I could say is it was all strategy. Get the six back together.

[34:04] Phil Bracco: Oh my god. One week too long.

[34:07] Tommy Bracco: One week too long. That's exactly right. Anyway, um, any more questions? Let's see. What else do we got? Um, I got one coming in now. Coming in.

[34:17] Phil Bracco: He just looks at his phone. So, uh, John Doe just asks, what did you think about the Christmas babies? He's trying to bring it back to that.

[34:29] Tommy Bracco: Well, we all know who John Doe is. I guess John. We thank you so much for writing in, John Doe. We love when you write to us. I thought the Star Babies was one of the funniest segments I've seen all year.

[34:43] Phil Bracco: I have to get it out. We missed it earlier. I'm sorry. I won't argue that it was funny, but like you also have to say it went on for too long because they had nothing to show.

[34:52] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[34:52] Phil Bracco: Nothing. Like it was funny for five minutes, but then when it's ten minutes of her taking care of babies multiplying, like it's just like, alright, move on.

[34:59] Tommy Bracco: Alright. There was a couple of funny, funny comments. Oh, Enzo, what are you doing when the ninth baby came out?

[35:04] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I love it.

[35:06] Tommy Bracco: It was the same comment like six times.

[35:08] Phil Bracco: Alright. I found it funny, and I had to bring it up.

[35:11] Tommy Bracco: It was funny, just not—

[35:13] Phil Bracco: Not as funny as I think.

[35:14] Tommy Bracco: Okay. No, just it was too long. The jug was butchered. Thank you, John Doe.

[35:23] Phil Bracco: New question from Courtney Chrysler. Courtney wants to know my, uh, do you think that there will be a taco Tuesday in the foreseeable future? Also, what are your thoughts on Big Brother bringing back Pandora's box and the coup d'etat?

[35:39] Tommy Bracco: Pandora's box, I think can make a comeback. I don't think that they will bring back the coup d'etat. I think that it just like reeks of production fixing for a certain outcome. Um, I could see Pandora's box coming back because at the end of the day, the person still does have a choice. Do I think that there will be a taco Tuesday in the foreseeable future? Probably not, because there's no one like Christy Murphy. But, uh, I could, I do think that we're gonna start to see these people rip each other apart.

[36:11] Phil Bracco: Alright, our last question is from Lucy C. Lucy wants to know who do you think is going to turn on each other first? I think the relationships between Franzel, Danny, and Christmas are not genuine. Each of those girls will choose to align with Cody or Tyler before they choose to align with each other as the weeks go on. Also, Memphis saying that the girls need to step it up rubbed Christmas and Danny the wrong way. How long until that becomes a thing?

[36:39] Tommy Bracco: Hmm. Wow, this is a good question. Great question. It's and it's a spinoff of what we were just talking about. Thanks, Lucy. You're amazing. Um, who do we think is gonna turn on each other first? I think it's gonna depend. Do they catch Danny and what she's doing?

[36:55] Phil Bracco: Danny's playing a great game.

[36:56] Tommy Bracco: Right. I'm a big Danny fan. I know that people are hating on her right now because she's air quotes the mean girl of the season, but it's all on purpose. She's owning it all in the DR. I am here for it. I love it. She, I, uh, you know, I also love what she said, uh, in the DR about Janelle being the queen, but it's time for a new coronation. I love her. I really do. Uh, but wait, let's get back to the actual question. So who do we think is gonna turn on each other first?

[37:26] Phil Bracco: I would say Tyler.

[37:28] Tommy Bracco: Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, and he'll find a way around it as he always does. Um, but Tyler is at the end of the day looking out for Tyler, and if somebody in his alliance doesn't fit his game, that he's gonna find a reason to get rid of them. And he will pin the entire house against them too. He's done that in the past. We've seen him do it time and time again, and I have no doubt that he can do it again.

[37:55] Phil Bracco: I don't know. I think he's able to adapt very well.

[37:57] Tommy Bracco: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Well, that's why he's a chameleon. He's a great, he's a goat, right? Is because he's a goat.

[38:01] Phil Bracco: He's a goat.

[38:04] Tommy Bracco: And that's why. Because he's able to adapt like that. That's why he's a, he's a goat.

[38:09] Phil Bracco: No respect.

[38:12] Tommy Bracco: Anyway, um, like I said, I'm thinking if Danny gets caught, then that, that's caught what though? What is she really doing? She is going to be a little bit more than what's going on. Is she doing that no one else should do? She's the one that told Tyler that Dayvon—

[38:30] Phil Bracco: Yes, right?

[38:30] Tommy Bracco: —was trying to flip the votes. So somehow she kept out of that with David, right?

[38:35] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[38:36] Tommy Bracco: So I'm saying she's doing that left and right to different people.

[38:41] Phil Bracco: But so is everybody.

[38:42] Tommy Bracco: I know, but if they catch her, she'll be the one that will be in trouble. And I think she, she actually fights back really well. I would love to see her go up against Bailey.

[38:54] Phil Bracco: I feel like that would be a fun war.

[38:55] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. I could, I would like to see that too. Mm-hmm. And maybe we'll get there with these votes.

[39:01] Phil Bracco: Yeah, oh, that's really true. Yikes. Alright, guys, let's wrap this thing up. Uh, thank you so much for listening, everybody. Submit your questions to RealTalkPodcast.com, and we will answer them on the next episode, which will drop Monday morning. We're gonna have a lot to cover on Monday because we will have a new HOH nominees. Uh, and we will also have a lot of stuff to cover on the feeds. Um, we're gonna Philip again. I'm so excited.

[39:31] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. Yay! Alright, guys, thanks so much. We'll see you next time.

[39:35] Phil Bracco: Alright, take care.

[39:36] Tommy Bracco: Bye.

[39:37] Phil Bracco: Is there a good like a goodbye thing?

[39:39] Tommy Bracco: Like, no, there's no goodbye thing, Philip.

[39:41] Phil Bracco: Bye.