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[0:00] Tommy Bracco: Hi everyone, it's Tommy and Anjelica, and you are listening to Real Tawk. But I got a question. I don't hear it in the earphones.

[0:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh really?

[0:08] Tommy Bracco: Yes, I do.

[0:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, we do.

[0:10] Tommy Bracco: I don't, so I hear you guys. Do I? Oh, that's okay, Dad. You don't need to hear yourself.

[0:13] Phil Bracco: Well, anyway, we're going to continue that out.

[0:15] Tommy Bracco: I feel like we sound good actually.

[0:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, no, we do. We do sound good. I just didn't hear the song at all in the earphones.

[0:22] Phil Bracco: Yeah, that was okay.

[0:23] Tommy Bracco: That's all right.

[0:24] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[0:25] Tommy Bracco: Okay. All right. He has a lot of notes. I'm honestly scared.

[0:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: Show us, flash us the notes.

[0:31] Tommy Bracco: No, the notes are nothing. I did just like small notes.

[0:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Are they printed?

[0:35] Tommy Bracco: No. Yeah, they're printed. Do you see the font? Are you kidding me? Now give me that. We need to take a picture and post on the page right now.

[0:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Are you going to post it? Because a lot of times you say we're going to post it and you don't.

[0:46] Tommy Bracco: No, there's pages of that though, Thomas.

[0:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, one page.

[0:49] Tommy Bracco: Hold all the pages out. I don't need to actually read it. I want to like just see the amount of writing you did.

[0:54] Phil Bracco: Shaking. Let's keep it moving. Come on. Come on. This is a quick thing. We're in the middle of the episode.

[1:00] Tommy Bracco: Shivering. He is shivering. Perfect. Okay, great. Nice. Well, anyway, lots to talk about. It's been a bit.

[1:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, lots of shows to talk about. We have Dancing with the Stars. We have America's Got Talent. You could talk about The Challenge for 0.2 seconds.

[1:13] Tommy Bracco: I will tell you. Anonymous.

[1:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: Anonymous. Oh, right. The one that Xavier's on.

[1:18] Tommy Bracco: It was the one that was what John was up for. Remember Hush Money? It was really, it's called The Anonymous. They changed the title. And it came out now.

[1:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay. Yeah, probably stupid.

[1:27] Tommy Bracco: It really, it's not, it's interesting. I heard that people are enjoying it, but no one's watching it.

[1:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: But the people who are watching it are liking it, but it's not like The Trust.

[1:36] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, yeah, it's a combination of The Circle and another game.

[1:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: You couldn't think of one?

[1:41] Tommy Bracco: No, I know. I know what it is. I just can't think of the name. Yeah. My friend Chris is watching The Circle, and she said that the two guys from Staten Island are the best part of the series.

[1:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, they are. They're funny. They're very, very funny. The Scarlattas. And they're both right from Staten Island. And then there's Deb Levy. Her mother was from Staten Island. So there's a connection in there.

[2:01] Tommy Bracco: The Circle is actually pretty good this season.

[2:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, it really is. I'm still too salty to watch.

[2:06] Tommy Bracco: It's still never like actually good. It's really corny. It's just like fun and light and easy. You literally put it on in the background while you're doing it.

[2:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I was watching. I'm actually liking it. Deb Levy is kind of like Angela.

[2:17] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, she is. She's sick. She's crazy.

[2:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, she's like wild, older woman, like just like chaotic vibes. And there's an Only Girls fan in it.

[2:26] Tommy Bracco: Only Girls fan. Only fans girl.

[2:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: Only Girls fan.

[2:30] Tommy Bracco: Only fans girl. Yes. And Angela. She's gorgeous. I like that girl. I'm sorry. With reality TV now, who isn't an Only Fans girl?

[2:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know. I don't have Only Fans.

[2:41] Tommy Bracco: Well, you'd have to.

[2:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, yeah. It's not like a feed like Instagram in that sense. You'd have to be subscribed to all these different people. So even if you did have Only Fans, you still wouldn't have access to all these people. It would just be the person you're subscribed to.

[2:54] Tommy Bracco: Right. That can be very expensive.

[2:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes. Yes. Wow, that's ridiculous. Anyway, so the girl's name is Madeline. She's very pretty. And Deb Levy. But she's annoying me, Madeline, because she's on the wrong side of the argument, whatever.

[3:06] Tommy Bracco: The house.

[3:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, the wrong side of The Circle. And then Deb Levy and her twist had to switch profiles. So now the old woman has to play an Only Fans girl.

[3:14] Tommy Bracco: And I actually was, she's doing that. Okay. I mean, it's actually a really funny season. You should try it out. Um, you really should post Franny for National Daughters Day.

[3:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: When is that? Today?

[3:24] Tommy Bracco: Okay. I'm surprised you didn't say that.

[3:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because I didn't know. I didn't know. That's what it was. I didn't know.

[3:30] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. National Daughters Day. I'm not involved with that stuff. I don't know anything like that.

[3:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. Really? Okay, so I know. Anyway, I'm enjoying it a lot. So if I know, it was kind of annoying that we went there and we didn't get on. But, but it's still a good show. It's still a fun show. It's really not. It's a fun show to watch. It's just a good season.

[3:50] Tommy Bracco: Comparatively speaking. Yes. Season. While we're doing these shows, let me just finish The Challenge. Let me just tell you, I'm loving The Challenge.

[3:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: Great. The idea is that different decades, right? The different.

[4:01] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, we know the different eras. Yeah. We haven't talked about it, so people don't know.

[4:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay. Okay. Um, and, and, and era one, whatever, for lack of word. Era one is doing terrible. They're losing every daily challenge. So they're getting put in every time. And they're winning some, but they're in there, but their numbers are going to legitimately, I hate this conversation.

[4:23] Tommy Bracco: Anyway, Cara, Cara Maria, get it out. Cara Maria and Laurel had a huge fight.

[4:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes. And most people are thinking that Laurel is crazy.

[4:31] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I love her. I don't think she's crazy. I'm saying that's what the fans are all saying. Right? I'm not saying to me.

[4:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. Yeah. And but she's not though. She's just passionate. And like, she just doesn't care. Like she doesn't do. She doesn't filter what she says for the camera. She's just being herself. There's a lot of history between the two of them. She feels strongly and she doesn't. She just expresses how she feels without worrying about the camera.

[4:56] Tommy Bracco: Okay, except this year, she read a letter out loud to the whole group, saying how she's not gonna put Cara Maria in and then the very first time she puts her in. So whatever, you know, for game wise, it just, you know, that was just ridiculous. And then, and then Bananas and Devin had a big fight because Devin loved the both of them. Devin is going with Michelle.

[5:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, right. And Bananas says to Michelle, keep your guard up about Devin. Michelle goes back and tells Devin, Devin now approaches Bananas, and they have an argument and Bananas lies and says, I didn't say that. And then says in front of Michelle's and why would you say that? I didn't say you misunderstood me. And everybody's like, No way. He didn't misunderstand. So it's actually kind of interesting to share that even the challenges are kind of fun. So season 40. Way to go.

[5:42] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, that's it. I'll say that. Season 40 way to go. He's treating this like Uncle Phil's podcast, and we're just allowing it. I mentioned the other ones. Now we'll talk about Big Brother. I'll listen to you.

[5:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, I honestly has nothing to contribute. I don't want to talk about Big Brother. I want to talk about Dancing with the Stars.

[6:01] Tommy Bracco: All right, I'll talk about Big Brother. It's really interesting because the season started off as one of the best seasons. Like I would put it in a top five. And it's on a fast decline.

[6:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: For some reason, I fell off the bandwagon. Normally, it's the total opposite. Normally, it's so slow in the beginning and you're like, oh, and then like it hits a real spike at this middle end area.

[6:19] Tommy Bracco: Yes. I wonder, and you know what, I gave him a lot of shit, but Tucker's gone. And I think honestly, once he left, it took a turn. It really did.

[6:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know. It's just like, it's hard when one person's running the house, like Chelsea's running everything.

[6:32] Tommy Bracco: I do love Chelsea.

[6:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: You don't love her.

[6:35] Tommy Bracco: I don't love Chelsea. The only person really that I like is Leah and Kimo. I could do without Cam. I can do without Chelsea. I can do without Rubina. I thought Rubina was going to be really great for a second after Tucker left, but no, she's whatever. Chelsea's running everything.

[6:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, she's just not it. She's not doing it for me, Rubina. She seems really sweet, but she's like a little mopey. I'm not even kidding. So like spoilers, but well, no, not spoilers because the episode came out tonight.

[7:03] Tommy Bracco: Leah's on the block. Mackenzie blindsided her because Chelsea told her to, and now Mackenzie lost a jury vote and did Chelsea's dirty work. So whatever. Mackenzie is the worst. The worst.

[7:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: But I watched an edit on TikTok of their relationship. It literally made me like tear up.

[7:19] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. So here's my deal with that. Yeah, you're right. They were each other's people from day one. Mackenzie never felt what Leah felt in Mackenzie. Mackenzie backstabbed Leah multiple times along the way.

[7:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: I said Leah.

[7:32] Tommy Bracco: No, I'm just laughing that she kept backstabbing her. Multiple times. She voted Quinn out and they blindsided her. There were a few things that she just left her out of the loop and Leah kept saying, I'm not mad at you. I forgive you. It's okay. That was part of the video. And now Mackenzie did this. So it was one-sided beef. She misses Quinn like he's the only one that like treated her of like, you know.

[7:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: And she does have a crush.

[7:58] Tommy Bracco: Does she?

[7:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: She said, I don't have a crush. See what Chelsea did was, and these things Leah did say, and that's the problem. But she tries to say that I didn't say it like the way you're taking it, but she did say a lot of the things that Chelsea told her. So one of the things is Matt. She said that Matt, she was a better fit for Matt than Mackenzie was. Like, why would you say that?

[8:20] Tommy Bracco: Right? Did Leah actually say that?

[8:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[8:23] Tommy Bracco: You saw the clip of Leah saying it.

[8:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[8:27] Tommy Bracco: I don't know about that.

[8:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: But also, I kind of think she was.

[8:31] Tommy Bracco: But Mackenzie's like, well, then, you know, why would you say that about me? But here's the problem, Mackenzie. She should have went-

[8:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: But also, why are we talking about Matt?

[8:39] Tommy Bracco: From week one.

[8:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like-

[8:41] Tommy Bracco: And also-

[8:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Exactly. And Mackenzie should have went to Leah and said, this is what I'm hearing. Did this really happen?

[8:48] Tommy Bracco: No.

[8:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: No.

[8:50] Tommy Bracco: Okay. Hang on.

[8:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: MJ should have said, why are you even telling me this? Why are we talking about Matt? That was literally-

[8:56] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. It was multiple things. Multiple things.

[8:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: No. Mackenzie was looking for something to say about Leah. Like, she was looking for an excuse to not like Leah because Chelsea-

[9:06] Tommy Bracco: Chelsea, no.

[9:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, I know. But then something switched because Chelsea got to her and she eventually was just like, yeah, all these things. But she was really grasping at straws at that point. The truth is, it's not about Matt because let's remember that Mackenzie was never really into Matt. It was all a joke. It was all for- The show literally edited them to make it look like they were a showmance, but they literally weren't. Mackenzie literally was dating somebody. Don't you know this? Mackenzie's dating somebody from the outside.

[9:34] Tommy Bracco: I'm the one who told you it.

[9:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. Right. You told me. That's what I'm saying.

[9:39] Tommy Bracco: She was dating someone. Yeah. And where is she? Texas?

[9:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes.

[9:43] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. So she's dating somebody on the outside pretty seriously. Like, she said she was going to wait, like, they were going to wait for each other. And then she went and got into a fake showmance and now Leah says we were actually a better fit. Mackenzie, you didn't even actually even like him. So the fact that she is-

[10:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: And we're talking about something from weeks ago that has to feel like years ago.

[10:05] Tommy Bracco: No, but we had a lot of things. There were a lot of things that she said.

[10:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, you only gave us that one.

[10:11] Tommy Bracco: Well, yeah. But what Leah should have said is, when I got the HOH, I went to you and said, what are we doing? If I was after you, I wouldn't have done that. What she said, another thing she said was to somebody, and she did say this, I should have took a big shot and I didn't. I took the wrong person out on my HOH. And Mackenzie said, well, who are you talking about? You're not talking about Cam. It's only me and Chelsea. She's talking Chelsea, but that's what went back to Mackenzie. She was talking about us.

[10:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: What I don't understand is I don't see how Mackenzie doesn't see.

[12:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, they had a discussion because Mackenzie's a dumb, dumb girl. No, no. She has always been a dumb, dumb girl. She has. This is why I really struggled with Mackenzie because she keeps winning when she needs to. And it's exciting to see her win these competitions when her back was against the wall when she was in the AI arena on the verge of being voted out. But she has the worst reads in Big Brother history. And it's so infuriating to watch somebody like that in the house where they completely fuck up the game because they're so bad at reading other people's body language and what they're giving them that they just make cause chaos and literally cause people like Chelsea to get away with murder in the house.

How about when Chelsea was talking about Leah and she didn't know Leah was sleeping up there? Oh, I didn't see I didn't see that. It was so sad. Leah wakes up and she like hears them and she's like so confused at first. And then the second so then she like starts walking down the stairs because she's not assuming that they're talking about her like she was hearing weird stuff. I don't know. I guess she was all out of it from sleeping. And then they all get like, really awkward. And then Leah starts hysterical crying because she's like, I just caught them talking about me. I don't even know what they were saying. I was just sleeping and they didn't know I was there. It was so sad. I really feel so sick for Leah.

I really do. I don't know why I'm voting for her. Yeah, I'm voting for her for AFP. Oh, everyone's saying everyone's saying she's really good, but she made a bad decision. She picked the wrong side of the house. Yeah, on her thing. They had a conversation. It was a long conversation. Leah and Mackenzie. And she was like, I don't understand. But they were lying. They're lying to you. And you didn't even ask me you just assume that they were telling the truth. And then but then she would go, I did say that. But I didn't mean that like, like, if you took it that way, I'm sorry. And she just blew it. Leah, but our answers. Then Mackenzie said, let's go talk to Chelsea. And his keys protecting Chelsea and saying that chemo told her everything when it was chemo said, chemo said, what she goes, I'm going to take you off the block and chemo goes, Okay, but how is that good?

Is that a good idea? Like, are you sure that's good for your game? chemo the one who would want to be taken off the block literally was like, Are you sure that's a good idea? What did she say? Yeah, she was like, Yeah, I'm taking you off. And I'm putting Leah up. And he's like, Why are you doing that? He literally said that. I love chemo. I gotta be honest. I really do. chemo and Leah are just and then she tells Angela that I'm taking down chemo. And after she does it, Angela goes, I don't see why you would do that. You're working with Leah. She goes, No, Leah wanted me on the block. She goes, That's not true. I'm working with Leah. And she didn't tell me that. Yeah. And she goes, Well, everybody else is telling me.

She goes, everybody, right? Who's everybody, Chelsea, cam. And that's it. And they're blaming chemo. chemo said some things, but they're blaming everything on chemo. Mackenzie is a dumb, dumb girl. Chelsea really bothers me. I don't know her drs. Like, I think she's playing a great game, though. I do. Yeah, I'm not gonna be mad if she wins. Like, she's great deserves it at this point with the house for the house guests that she's playing up against. But who's getting rid of her at this point? No, nobody. No, you know, what's gonna happen to double evictions next in and Mackenzie is going to the jury. Either Mackenzie or Angela. But unfortunately, it'll be Mackenzie chemo. Yeah, that will be exciting.

Huh? Well, anyway, so the conversation is a long conversation at the end of it. At the end of the conversation. Mackenzie thinks, I think Chelsea played me. Right? And it goes to Chelsea goes, you didn't like play me. Did you? She's like, no, what would you think that for? She's like, cuz I don't really get everything right now. But she goes, we got to save Leah. And she's saying to Mackenzie, we got not because she's saying to Chelsea, right? Save Leah. And they're like, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. But they're not they're not gonna know and she's gonna realize then that she was like, she already realizes it, but she's really gonna realize it. And it's gonna be her Dutchman sucks up against Rubina.

No, no, Angela, Angela, right? So Leah and Angela is like, we got to get Angela out, even though it's her and Leah on the block. Okay. Yeah. And unfortunately, I like both of them. I think Angela is great, but it is what it is. Yeah. The only thing that will make me really happy is if Angela wins the game. The only thing that will make me really happy is if Julie Chen comes out and says, actually, Leah, you can't be eliminated. You have to stay in the game. And then I know why we obsess with Leah so much. Me too. She's just like, I love her. I don't know. I've been following her sister on Twitter. I feel like she's a unicorn. That's why I feel like she's a rarity in the reality TV worlds. I feel like she's like a pretty gorgeous, hot, cute, sexy girl with an actual amazing personality who's funny and who isn't shallow and who isn't there for the wrong reasons. That combination doesn't happen.

[18:01] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, you're right. You're right.

[18:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I think that's what I'm loving about her. She's very rare.

[18:05] Phil Bracco: Yeah, she's really unique and authentic and just grounded.

[18:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: And that comes across in her relationship with Angela. The fact that Angela is her person in the house is so funny.

[18:18] Phil Bracco: That Quinn was prior to Angela. Yeah, no, 100%. I love her.

[18:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I'm obsessed with her too. She's getting my vote for AFP, 100%.

[18:27] Phil Bracco: Same. Same.

[18:29] Tommy Bracco: Dancing with the Stars?

[18:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes. What are you reading over there?

[18:34] Phil Bracco: The rest of the meeting, but we're done, so I'm going to put it away.

[18:38] Tommy Bracco: Okay. Dancing with the Stars.

[18:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: I feel like there are no stars.

[18:44] Phil Bracco: I feel like you are just a hater for what reason?

[18:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: I just don't know anybody on it except Tori Spelling.

[18:53] Tommy Bracco: Okay, who cares?

[18:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, that's where you're wrong.

[18:56] Tommy Bracco: I'm not wrong. I just don't know them.

[18:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, who cares? Can I read you my top five?

[18:59] Tommy Bracco: Go ahead.

[19:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay. Obviously, Daniella and Dwight.

[19:04] Tommy Bracco: Oh, really?

[19:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: What? What do you mean, oh, really?

[19:09] Tommy Bracco: I didn't finish last night's episode, so I didn't see their dance yet.

[19:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, I'm just saying you don't need to. It's about Daniella and Dwight.

[19:17] Phil Bracco: Daniella's incredible. I just feel like we-

[19:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: The size difference is huge.

[19:21] Phil Bracco: I don't know.

[19:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: The first dance was amazing.

[19:23] Phil Bracco: I'm not into it.

[19:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: The first dance was amazing. Daniella and Dwight, Riley and Steven.

[19:28] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I knew you was going to say that.

[19:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: You know what? She's got a good personality. I didn't know that last year. This year, she's really showing it.

[19:33] Phil Bracco: Yeah, she has an amazing personality. She's the cutest thing ever.

[19:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: Whitney and Danny. People hate Danny, but honestly, he did great last night, and Whitney's doing great. Danny Amendola.

[19:43] Phil Bracco: He's a football player.

[19:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Amendolia or whatever.

[19:44] Phil Bracco: Amendola.

[19:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: Not memorable.

[19:46] Phil Bracco: He's like a womanizer.

[19:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, he's a football player.

[19:47] Phil Bracco: He's with Zandra now. Alex Earls, ex-BFF.

[19:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, I don't know any of this.

[19:53] Phil Bracco: Jenna and Joey.

[19:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, they did great last night.

[19:56] Phil Bracco: Joey's great.

[19:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: Nicolette texted me last night and said, do you remember how Phillip used to dance when he danced for Starshark? And I was like, yes. And she was like, that's Joey. And I was like, it's so true.

[20:07] Phil Bracco: That's so funny.

[20:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: You got to think of Starshark Phillip when you watch Joey, and you're going to be like, holy shit.

[20:13] Tommy Bracco: Okay, I got to look.

[20:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: And obviously, the winners are going to be Brandon and Chandler.

[20:18] Phil Bracco: Oh, Chandler's amazing.

[20:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, but the argument always stands. Is it fair that somebody who had professional dance training their entire life, hardcore, is competing against people that have never took a dance class in their life? Is that fair?

[20:24] Phil Bracco: Right, I hear you.

[20:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's hard. I feel like there's a line. And I think with her, it is crossed. I think she does have to. I mean, she can borderline be a pro.

[20:51] Phil Bracco: Yeah, but so could Charli D'Amelio.

[20:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Agreed. JoJo Siwa.

[20:58] Phil Bracco: I was literally going to name those other two.

[21:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Those are examples where they cross the line. Xochitl last year, that wasn't a line that was crossed. She used to dance when she was really little. She took a few dance classes when she was older. And then you saw how she was able to pick it up and get better each week. Listen, we're in week two. I agree that it should be about progression. They can't find stars who are all on the same level of dance.

[21:24] Phil Bracco: 100%.

[21:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: But that's why I feel like there's a line. And I feel like they're crossing it a little bit with her. I feel like she has a little too much experience.

[21:32] Phil Bracco: But she's amazing to watch.

[21:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's probably going to win.

[21:35] Phil Bracco: She hasn't danced in 10 years.

[21:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: And she's young.

[21:39] Phil Bracco: I don't know if that's true.

[21:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Is that factual information?

[21:41] Phil Bracco: Yeah, that's what she said in the interview.

[21:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, she hasn't danced professionally. But she's on Disney Channel. She's young. She has a great body. She's athletic. So it's going to come more naturally to her. The same way with the guy, Steven.

[21:56] Phil Bracco: Also, you could say, you could look at Nicolette and be like, oh, Nicolette hasn't danced in six years. You think if she went on Dancing with the Stars, that would affect her for one second that it's been six years? No, she'd be amazing.

[22:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's what I'm saying.

[22:08] Phil Bracco: Right. But what I'm saying is, I think that... I don't know. I'm just happy that we have someone like Chandler. Because otherwise...

[22:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: Is that her name? Chandler?

[22:18] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[22:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's amazing. I love watching her. And I like watching her. And honestly, without her, she's the only one I care about. Her and Tori Spelling.

[22:26] Phil Bracco: That's crazy.

[22:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's so crazy. First off.

[22:30] Phil Bracco: That's so crazy.

[22:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Her and Tori Spelling, that's it. You're the only person in the world that feels this way.

[22:34] Phil Bracco: I like the guy, Steven, too.

[22:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: Hello, Daniela and Dwight. Like, I'm so excited.

[22:38] Phil Bracco: No, I'm not into it.

[22:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: Daniela could be paired up with a rock and I'd be excited.

[22:44] Phil Bracco: But a rock, not the rock.

[22:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: I just feel like we've seen a partnership like that one before. Like the whole dynamic between her...

[22:54] Phil Bracco: But every single week, Daniela will bring you a dance that you've never seen before. She's incredible.

[22:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: I will never deny that. Her choreography is just out of control.

[23:03] Phil Bracco: Yep, I will never deny that.

[23:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: Can we talk about Kelsey? How secure she is?

[23:09] Phil Bracco: It's just insane. But I guess she has a man that makes her feel so secure.

[23:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: Which one's Kelsey?

[23:15] Phil Bracco: Kelsey is Joey's fiance from The Bachelor.

[23:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, yeah. Everyone after week one was freaking out.

[23:21] Phil Bracco: They're literally grinding together.

[23:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: And she's just so supportive. She made a few TikToks about it. She was talking about it.

[23:27] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[23:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: And it's just like... And then this week, they really dove into the Joey, making it clear that he is only Kelsey's.

[23:38] Phil Bracco: Yeah, they also had her husband come in and give him lessons on like...

[23:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: How to like show more of a separation between the two of them.

[23:50] Phil Bracco: Oh my god, wait. Jen Tran and...

[23:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: No.

[23:53] Phil Bracco: We didn't talk about Jen.

[23:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: What about her?

[23:55] Phil Bracco: Jen Tran and Sasha.

[23:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: What about them?

[23:58] Phil Bracco: They're the cutest things on TikTok together as a couple.

[24:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: I can't stand her.

[24:03] Phil Bracco: I know her voice is...

[24:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know. It's gotten worse.

[24:06] Phil Bracco: It's not even the voice. I just don't think she's good. And she just annoys me for some reason.

[24:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know why.

[24:13] Phil Bracco: You have no patience for mad dancers, but they're not professional dancers.

[24:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know, I just want to watch good dancers. That's it.

[24:18] Phil Bracco: But that's not the name of the show.

[24:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, yeah.

[24:21] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I don't like her.

[24:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: Anna...

[24:24] Phil Bracco: Wait, hold on. Oh, we have to talk about that too. But wait, before we go any further, did you guys see that... What is the guy's name? The model, is her name Brooke?

[24:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Brooks, yeah.

[24:34] Phil Bracco: Brooks.

[24:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Gleb is her partner?

[24:37] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[24:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: How she's literally raping him every day?

[24:40] Phil Bracco: I just saw them kissing.

[24:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: I didn't see them... No, it's literally so hard to watch. It's unbearable. I don't know what the fuck they're doing.

[24:47] Phil Bracco: Wait, what?

[24:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: But he is so clearly not into her, and she does not stop with him.

[24:53] Phil Bracco: There's videos of him literally taking her hand, like her hand will be on his ass. And he'll literally like...

[25:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: And these are like fans from like up above that are on the balcony.

[25:03] Phil Bracco: Yes, that's what I saw.

[25:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, but there's multiple videos, different outfits, like of him. Of him feeling uncomfortable and her forcing herself on him.

[25:13] Phil Bracco: Isn't he married?

[25:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, he's not married. But like also again, she's 27, he's 41. Like, I don't know, maybe he's not obsessed with the 27 year olds. Like, I don't know. And also, I don't know if she's his vibe. Like just because she's like that hot blowjob look doesn't mean that that's going to be every guy's vibe.

[25:32] Phil Bracco: I don't know. I totally hear that.

[25:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: I didn't know that she was forcing herself on him.

[25:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, she's really good looking. Okay, so then why is he so visibly uncomfortable and people are making videos about it like I'm uncomfortable watching them?

[25:57] Tommy Bracco: I everybody's please stop because he's in a relationship.

[26:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: Hey, I'm trying to be professional.

[26:05] Tommy Bracco: He's single. He was in a relationship. They literally kissed in their promo this week.

[26:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, I didn't see their date.

[26:16] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, they kissed so well, she kissed him three times.

[26:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: Got it. It's so weird. It's got weird. I'm not into it. I'm not into her at all.

[26:25] Phil Bracco: Can we talk about how I feel bad for Brit?

[26:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: Does she stuck with Eric Roberts?

[26:36] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I don't like watching bad dances.

[26:38] Tommy Bracco: Eric Roberts? Rugby girl? No, no.

[26:43] Phil Bracco: I was—Terry, I'd—Eric Roberts is Julia Roberts' brother.

[26:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes. Yes, and he's terrible.

[26:55] Phil Bracco: He had a car accident and is like a little bit on the right side is a little bit not paralyzed, but it's a little off.

[27:02] Tommy Bracco: Okay, so he's just terrible and they didn't vote him off.

[27:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, that was crazy. Um, I love Derek off so much. It's not even normal. He's great.

[27:12] Phil Bracco: He is so good.

[27:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: He's the only judge up there judging the other ones for the theatrics. Carrie Ann, like I don't even—what is her background?

[27:24] Phil Bracco: She's beautiful. I love all of them. I really do. I even love—she's beautiful. I think she gives good critique.

[27:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's fine, and she does always vote higher for the people that I like, so I like her for that reason, but I don't know. I just love Derek gave a couple fours.

[27:33] Phil Bracco: Meanwhile, I actually feel like respectfully, a four, I was cringing.

[27:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, I love it. I love it. I love it.

[27:40] Phil Bracco: But that's what it should be. That's what it should be.

[27:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, he's actually my least favorite judge.

[27:50] Phil Bracco: Bruno's the guy from Family Matters.

[27:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Terrible, right?

[27:57] Phil Bracco: No, no, I'm obsessed with him. I'm obsessed.

[28:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: He's got the grumpy face on. He looks like Grumpy Cat.

[28:09] Phil Bracco: He's so good. No, I love him. I love him.

[28:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's what I mean, like you could have a bad dancer like him, but still enjoy watching them.

[28:18] Phil Bracco: Harry was brutal for many, many weeks.

[28:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: He was, yeah.

[28:25] Tommy Bracco: The people that went home last night was not right.

[28:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, Anna saying that she took away nothing from this experience so far.

[28:32] Phil Bracco: The post interviews, they were like, "Oh, what was your favorite part about doing Dancing with the Stars?" She said getting eliminated.

[28:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like the elimination? And she has that accent.

[28:40] Phil Bracco: I don't love that they gave her a spotlight. One, two, why are you acting like they forced you to be here? You said yes to this?

[28:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, all right, and like come—just a couple things.

[28:50] Phil Bracco: I don't understand the house arrest bracelet on a TV show.

[28:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, it doesn't make sense to me.

[28:57] Phil Bracco: No, she has to wear that.

[29:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, no, has to wear that.

[29:03] Phil Bracco: What do you mean?

[29:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: I just think it's all freaking show.

[29:09] Phil Bracco: No, she actually has to wear it. Did you ever see what she did?

[29:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, no, I know. Released on house arrest. That is the only way she's—so how is she on TV?

[29:20] Phil Bracco: That's what I don't understand.

[29:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: But that's what I mean, like the new Dancing with the Stars lot address her house, like what in few—but now here's—

[29:28] Phil Bracco: No wire.

[29:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Why is nobody questioning?

[29:32] Phil Bracco: No, but here's the deal. She gets on the show, she's dancing, and Carrie Ann goes, "You know what you did?" Like, why would you bring that up in your critique of her?

[29:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: That didn't make sense to me. And then she's got a lot of hate.

[29:43] Phil Bracco: No, 'cause Carrie Ann—I liked what she said. She said, "I'm just gonna say I have to just say this out loud, the ballroom, there was a major shift in energy when you came out, and we're not here to talk about what you did. We're here to judge how you danced, and you did a really good job." I thought that was so far.

[29:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, when are they bringing up what she did? Out of every one of them, thousands and millions of dollars, we should be talking about what she did. She shouldn't have a spotlight on the TV show. She should be in jail. Like, I'm sorry.

[30:07] Phil Bracco: All right, but then don't put her on the show, but I felt bad for her. She got so much hate after dancing.

[30:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: She thought she did.

[30:15] Phil Bracco: System is crazy.

[30:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: The fact that we have Anna on Dancing with the Stars, Gypsy Rose, pregnant, living life as an influencer, and the Menendez brothers are sitting in jail, like it's just so for life. Like, it's just so crazy to me.

[30:27] Phil Bracco: They killed their parents.

[30:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, they did.

[30:31] Phil Bracco: Okay, murder is now different than stealing.

[30:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Murder is different than stealing. It goes so much—okay, Gypsy Rose's mother was murdered.

[30:41] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I don't know how she's out of jail either. That's a whole other time.

[30:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: But now she—she wasn't good.

[30:47] Phil Bracco: And it wasn't great.

[30:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Horrific, but she was better.

[30:52] Phil Bracco: She was better than Reginald and Eric Roberts, if I am being transparent.

[30:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know anything about Anna.

[31:00] Phil Bracco: I didn't watch Inventing Anna. I know that she stole a bunch of money, but I don't know who she is and how bad she is.

[31:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: So as in like someone who literally just watched on Dancing with the Stars, I loved watching her on TV, and I wish that she stuck around.

[31:13] Phil Bracco: She was so funny. I think she got eliminated because of who she was. Everybody—nobody was like, "Why is she on?" Everybody hates her.

[31:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, but she was bringing the most publicity.

[31:24] Phil Bracco: She was the only, like one—literally it was her and Tori Spelling. That's all I knew who they were.

[31:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's sick. I don't—I mean that's from your personal opinion.

[31:36] Phil Bracco: Yeah, the collective from who's watching Dancing with the Stars probably would feel like they're the least two celebrities that are on right now.

[31:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: Really?

[31:43] Phil Bracco: Yes, Tori Spelling is royalty.

[31:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: Tori Spelling looked crazy. She got eliminated.

[31:50] Phil Bracco: Oh, no, I didn't—I didn't know.

[31:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, that's so sad.

[32:00] Phil Bracco: Sorry, it was best-case scenario. I was jumping up and down.

[32:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, Tori, we must have been—was better than Eric Roberts.

[32:08] Phil Bracco: I'm sorry. Yes.

[32:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I could have did without Eric Roberts.

[32:14] Phil Bracco: Eric Roberts? You could have kept Tori. Tori really wanted to be there.

[32:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, you see it up into the list?

[32:22] Phil Bracco: Second.

[32:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[32:27] Phil Bracco: Oh my god.

[32:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, they thought she was gonna do a lot longer.

[32:35] Phil Bracco: No, absolutely. She should have.

[32:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: Who's they?

[32:41] Phil Bracco: Production.

[32:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, she's like a major story.

[32:46] Phil Bracco: Teamed up with—she was teamed up with Daniela's husband.

[32:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, wow.

[32:52] Phil Bracco: No.

[32:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's Jenna's husband.

[32:56] Phil Bracco: Yeah, who's Daniela's husband?

[32:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: Pasha.

[33:02] Phil Bracco: Yes, Pasha.

[33:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: They don't just give Pasha to anybody.

[33:09] Phil Bracco: This is me was great. She was really trying.

[33:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I feel bad, but it is what it is. We move on.

[33:17] Phil Bracco: Wow, I didn't know that. That sucks.

[33:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, sorry to tell you. I know you were saying how much you liked her, but I—

[33:24] Phil Bracco: Not into—you know, she was, I guess, better than Eric Roberts and better than Reginald.

[33:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: But you just saw the passion and the hunger for it in her, and that's what I liked.

[33:34] Phil Bracco: I agree.

[33:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Real quick before I have to go, I want to talk about America's Got Talent because I just was watching the finale performances, right?

[33:41] Phil Bracco: I only watched a couple because last night—

[33:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Janitor that he's either singer.

[33:46] Phil Bracco: Yeah, phenomenal on the finale.

[33:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: I didn't see the finale.

[33:51] Phil Bracco: Oh, when I tell you I was hysterical crying.

[33:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Is he bad?

[33:56] Phil Bracco: No, he's amazing.

[33:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, right.

[34:00] Phil Bracco: Yeah, no, right. I saw before the finale they had him on, and he sounded just like the song guy of the song.

[34:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: What's wrong?

[34:09] Phil Bracco: I have the tiger.

[34:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: No way.

[34:12] Phil Bracco: All right, sounds—

[34:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, that was the quarterfinals.

[34:16] Phil Bracco: So what are you up to?

[34:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: I started the finals last night, and then I had to put the other show on.

[34:22] Phil Bracco: No, but if you didn't see either tiger, that means you didn't see that.

[34:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, I didn't know.

[34:28] Phil Bracco: No, there was something called road to the fight, road to the finale, and he was singing on that.

[34:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh.

[34:36] Phil Bracco: No, but did you see either the tiger?

[34:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, I didn't see that one.

[34:40] Phil Bracco: I saw the dog, the quarterfinals, like before the finale, the quarterfinals.

[34:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I didn't watch it this year.

[34:46] Phil Bracco: Then there's finale, right? Then there's the road to the finale. Then there's the finale results.

[34:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes.

[34:52] Phil Bracco: I watched the road to finale and started watching the finale, and then I got told something else was on last night, and I know, and you can't even know that.

[34:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: If you're watching the finale after the road to the finale, that's not the episode you should be watching.

[35:03] Phil Bracco: That's not their performances you need to be watching.

[35:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's like three episodes ago.

[35:09] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[35:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: What is the—I'll go back. I saw the dog. The dog is amazing.

[35:14] Phil Bracco: The dog's insane. The dog full—there's a dog on it.

[35:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: I like dancing full-out dancing.

[35:21] Phil Bracco: Knows the choreo.

[35:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: I like full-out dancing.

[35:25] Phil Bracco: A dog? An animal? A dog?

[35:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's so weird.

[35:30] Phil Bracco: No, it's the craziest thing ever.

[35:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, I feel like the finale is really great this year.

[35:36] Phil Bracco: Um, yeah, I'm loving it.

[35:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm loving what I like, the quick-changing. I like the comedy. I like the singing. There's just so many fun acts.

[35:44] Phil Bracco: The acrobatics, the balancing guys, like there's the dance team.

[35:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: The dance team is nuts.

[35:51] Phil Bracco: We go. They were great.

[35:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: I did see them.

[35:56] Phil Bracco: They had the girls in the skirts and the guys in their—an Australian dance team.

[36:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: But they're like, it's like very starstruck vibes, like—but just like twine times 20 million.

[36:07] Phil Bracco: Like wait, is that the men with the jackets and the girls with the skirts?

[36:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, that's another dance team.

[36:14] Phil Bracco: Yeah, no, and they're gone. There's only one dance team, and I'm gonna attend in the finale.

[36:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I gotta send you guys some of the videos.

[36:22] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I'm gonna watch that.

[36:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: I was so good.

[36:26] Phil Bracco: I—when you called last night, said you watching Dance with the Stars, I had to shut it off and put it on.

[36:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: So that's too many reality shows.

[36:33] Phil Bracco: Too many going on, and Love Is Blind is coming out very soon, and they do it this year.

[36:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: DC.

[36:41] Phil Bracco: I was prepared.

[36:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Nice. I like that.

[36:46] Phil Bracco: Yeah, and Survivor is on too.

[36:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, how many shows are you watching right now?

[36:52] Phil Bracco: I'm gonna be getting up there again.

[36:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, it's his season.

[36:57] Phil Bracco: And I'm really busy too right now.

[37:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I'm on four—three softball teams.

[37:03] Phil Bracco: Four softball teams? Wow.

[37:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: And you know, work, so I'm really—

[37:09] Phil Bracco: Survivor's and the Mets are fun, and the Mets are winning. So I'm really struggling.

[37:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I just want to say real quick, a reminder for why you're gonna remind me for Cruise of Deception in April.

[37:20] Phil Bracco: It's again the cruise where they play the great game of the—similar to the game of the traitors.

[37:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yep. I think it's gonna be really fun. I really do.

[37:29] Phil Bracco: I think it's gonna be so—

[37:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: You're in?

[37:33] Phil Bracco: No.

[37:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh.

[37:36] Phil Bracco: No longer going.

[37:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: But you know a lot of my cast mates are, and a lot of people from season two, and I think it's gonna be a great time.

[37:43] Phil Bracco: Yeah, a lot of people from the reality TV world are going to.

[37:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, like you said, season one, season two, like a lot of the greats are gonna be there.

[37:51] Phil Bracco: It's gonna be a great time, but we just had a timing issue too close to Thomas's wedding and just life stuff.

[37:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I could no longer go on, but I'm very upset about it.

[38:01] Phil Bracco: And I think it's gonna—

[38:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, me too because now I can't go, and I mean you can—no, and Annabelle won't go. She's like, "You can go yourself." I'm like, "Come on."

[38:10] Phil Bracco: We should see if we can get people a code or something.

[38:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: So yeah, oh, you can go on the website. It's cruiseofdeception.com for more info.

[38:20] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[38:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: All right, great. It's gonna be good.

[38:24] Phil Bracco: Jealous.

[38:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Anyway, um, well, it was fun touching base and talking all reality shows. We didn't touch Survivor, but honestly, it's just getting started.

[38:34] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I think it's gonna be a good cast.

[38:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, do you know who your first impressions are?

[38:40] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I'm doing the fantasy league.

[38:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: You did? Who were your favorites?

[38:45] Phil Bracco: I can't tell you.

[38:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: All right, we'll get back to it another time.

[38:50] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I started watching tonight's episode, and then I had to put on Big Brother, right?

[38:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I didn't know. Actually, I put The Challenge on.

[38:57] Phil Bracco: All right, cool.

[38:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: All right, well, see you next time, everyone.

[39:02] Phil Bracco: Ready? One, two, three.