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[0:00] Tommy Bracco: Hi everyone, it's Tommy.

[0:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Anjelica.

[0:03] Phil Bracco: I'm Phil.

[0:04] Tommy Bracco: And you are listening to Real Tawk.

[0:08] Tommy Bracco: What's up, everyone?

[0:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: What's up?

[0:10] Tommy Bracco: A little impromptu episode on a Friday night.

[0:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[0:14] Tommy Bracco: Well, the day is um, what's the phrase?

[0:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know what you just said, impromptu.

[0:20] Tommy Bracco: Impromptu, yeah.

[0:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: Is it are you fucking with me?

[0:26] Phil Bracco: He is.

[0:28] Tommy Bracco: He's sitting at the quote drop, as you should be.

[0:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: Why did the two of you put a quote drop in your mouth before we started?

[0:35] Phil Bracco: I guess that's why.

[0:37] Tommy Bracco: Okay. I'm calling for over a month.

[0:38] Phil Bracco: What about you?

[0:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: Three months.

[0:40] Phil Bracco: I just was like in the mood for like it's like a lollipop that's a little gross.

[0:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, sure.

[0:47] Tommy Bracco: Anyway, impromptu.

[0:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Impromptu episode.

[0:50] Tommy Bracco: So cute.

[0:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right, but what I'm saying is it's not really an impromptu episode.

[0:56] Tommy Bracco: It's an impromptu day of the week.

[0:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay.

[0:59] Tommy Bracco: Because we've been doing it for The Traitors.

[1:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right, but we're doing it on a Friday.

[1:03] Tommy Bracco: On a Friday.

[1:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[1:05] Tommy Bracco: Great. Well that's okay. You know, you've been a little bit busy right now, which is The Traitors is coming out.

[1:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: I mean, on Thursday, so it makes sense.

[1:12] Tommy Bracco: Yeah.

[1:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, right. It came out last night.

[1:14] Tommy Bracco: I watched last night's episode. It was the worst episode of the season.

[1:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, nothing happened.

[1:18] Tommy Bracco: I liked it.

[1:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: I get it that nothing happened.

[1:20] Phil Bracco: Of course he didn't. He hated it when it was good, and now he loves it when it's bad.

[1:24] Tommy Bracco: No, I didn't know. You know what? I'm you're 100% right. I'm gonna call myself out. Like that was so annoying that I just said that. But I think I just don't think it was as annoying as you found it.

[1:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like I No, I didn't find it that annoying.

[1:39] Tommy Bracco: I just uh this season has been so good where you're dying for the next episode. Like I they didn't leave me dying for the next episode.

[1:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, and then nothing happened in this episode.

[1:51] Phil Bracco: I really do find it interesting. Like I'm I feel bad. I'm like about to give a negative. Because like I'm I'm loving it too.

[1:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh yeah. But I thought it was funny that they tried to get Peter to come on board, and then he says no.

[2:08] Tommy Bracco: Which is crazy.

[2:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Crazy, yeah. Really, Peter is a good guy.

[2:12] Phil Bracco: Their response was okay, let's throw a twist. Now you don't get to banish somebody tonight.

[2:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: But like No, that wasn't a twist.

[2:19] Tommy Bracco: When you when you recruit, you don't murder.

[2:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. No, I'm I'm saying, like, so they were trying to recruit.

[2:25] Phil Bracco: Right.

[2:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: But because the traitors didn't get to murder or recruit anybody, the next night should have been that everybody goes to the round table and still banishes somebody.

[2:36] Tommy Bracco: But they production probably knew that Parvity was gonna get banished, so then they were like, Well, then we're gonna have no game. So they threw in a random twist that we go to the woods and just don't kill anybody that night. We don't banish anybody.

[2:47] Phil Bracco: I don't like that they threw a random twist in there that stopped them from banishing somebody because it stops the trajectory of the game.

[2:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: And I feel like it's because the faithfuls were doing well, they threw a twist in there to make them not do it.

[3:00] Tommy Bracco: Right, like it's not supposed to be like Big Brother, like expect the unexpected. It's supposed to be a pretty consistent game because it does, it's going to alter the game name.

[3:10] Phil Bracco: By the way, because they would have murdered Peter. He wouldn't have had this if they didn't do that whole circle thing.

[3:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: They would have murdered Peter, he wouldn't have had the shield. They would have banished Parvity and they would have murdered Peter.

[3:22] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, like they would have banished Parvity and it would have just been Phaedra left, and she would have had to recruit somebody and they might have said no, and then we would have no TV show.

[3:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I guess that's why production did it. But like it just goes to show you that it just goes to show you like Sandra's getting a lot of shit right now because um...

[3:33] Phil Bracco: Is she?

[3:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: She yeah, she's getting shit from the Chaos.

[3:44] Phil Bracco: They were all like, oh my god like Kate Chastain posted like oh my goodness like this moment when she was like doing the pool table and then supposedly she showed with like salt and pepper packets like a whole different thing and they were saying like it really was an aha moment for them yeah because the cast is realizing that it doesn't matter if you know who the traders are to the viewers we're trying to like we think the whole point of the game is to get the traders out but what the gamers are realizing all the contestants and you know this is that it's truly just a numbers game like if your numbers are gonna protect you whether they're a traitor or a faithful you will be in the end and if you're in the end you have the opportunity to say I know you're a trader I know you're a trader and then you can win but it but what I'm saying is it actually serves people to go to the end with traders because once you start getting traders out they just recruit more and then you you start from scratch so Sandra is getting shit because they're like Sandra you say that she's so good but she formed a full alliance with two traders just against the other Peter's side of the house in her defense but she's like I knew that they were fucking traders I just didn't care because and same thing Janelle said the same thing about Dan like I knew he was a trader I don't care because he's still working with me like I know that he's a traitor I know that he is a traitor I have it in the back of my head when the time is right I will be able to articulate that and voice that but until then it serves me no purpose banishing them because then they just get more traders on their side.

[5:18] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[5:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: So it's like really that is a flaw in the game. And I'm curious what they're gonna do about that for the next season because I feel like this season people are gonna players are really catching on.

[5:29] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, like it doesn't matter if you know who the traders are. There's no incentive to get rid of them because you're just gonna get more traders.

[5:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: I guess they might not change anything because like you could really not know though.

[5:40] Tommy Bracco: Like you may think you know, but like the traders are not allowed to confirm or deny.

[5:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[5:45] Tommy Bracco: So like even if somebody outright asks them, like they're not allowed to say you're never allowed. It was strict in our rule book. You are not allowed to say I'm a trader. Like, unless it's you're banished at the round table.

[5:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: How fucking cool that like this is the biggest show on it's like changing reality TV. It's like giving it a second life, people are saying, and you were on the first freaking season.

[6:08] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I'm really I am very glad about it. I'm very, very happy that opportunity.

[6:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: There's other exciting news with The Traitors.

[6:15] Phil Bracco: Yes.

[6:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: I will announce that in a second. Just one more thing I want to say is that like I feel like it's for me, I feel even extra special and it feels like extra cool because non-reality people aren't gonna have that opportunity again as of right now.

[6:29] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, you're right.

[6:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, you know what I mean?

[6:31] Tommy Bracco: Yeah.

[6:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I'm really I'm I'm very happy that I did it.

[6:35] Tommy Bracco: Yeah.

[6:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: So what's really interesting is all three traders are known.

[6:41] Tommy Bracco: Trischelle is saying she knows it's Anthony Allen, so you mean two.

[6:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, no, but yeah, yeah.

[6:47] Tommy Bracco: Oh, oh, right.

[6:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, apparently but they don't know the number.

[6:51] Tommy Bracco: You they don't tell you the number of traders.

[6:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: There can be two, there can be four from the beginning.

[6:55] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[6:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: And also, Alan didn't confirm the recruit.

[7:00] Tommy Bracco: Alan did not say that somebody was recruited and denied.

[7:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right.

[7:04] Tommy Bracco: They just all were like, Oh, that's must have been what happened.

[7:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: But still, again, you don't like know. But then uh Peter confirmed it in his group, and I bet they started to Here's the thing, like Oh, this is what we were talking about.

[7:19] Phil Bracco: Well we'll oh my gosh, I'm so excited. I'm jumping everywhere.

[7:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know. Like and we'll ask you, because I already spoke with Jell about this, but at the end of the second of this last episode, they basically have to choose between murdering five people. Either Parvity, so she'd count her out, but then it's Burgie, MJ, Kate, or Trichelle. Who would you murder?

[7:42] Phil Bracco: Burgie.

[7:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Jell and I said MJ.

[7:46] Tommy Bracco: I said I would murder MJ because the path that they're on, you want to keep them on it because they were talking about banishing Peter and his little like posse. Um if you take out MJ, it puts the pressure on more to go after Peter and his posse, and they still do have the numbers.

[8:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: So they still have the numbers, and then it just puts the pressure on the other hand.

[8:08] Phil Bracco: Why would you not want to weaken Peter's posse?

[8:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because they're not that strong. They're literally like, what is it? It's John, Henry, Trishelle, and Peter.

[8:18] Tommy Bracco: Right.

[8:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: And if you're banishing and Burgie, five, and if you're banishing Peter, that leaves four little people.

[8:23] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[8:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: That are gonna be easily manipulated.

[8:25] Tommy Bracco: But manipulated.

[8:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: They know the traitors.

[8:28] Phil Bracco: No, but here's why. So they're gonna they're gonna round table one out.

[8:32] Tommy Bracco: So wait, rewind. They don't know the tra I mean.

[8:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, Trishelle knows Phaedra, but she only said that in her interview. She has not vocalized that.

[8:40] Phil Bracco: Well, Sandra made uh an Instagram post confirming like we knew that Phaedra and Parvity were the traitors. We didn't care. We wanted them on our side because we needed numbers. We wanted to go to the end with them, even though they were traitors, because it just makes sense to go to the end with numbers.

[8:55] Tommy Bracco: That's that that's why I'm saying I have high hopes that Faithfuls are gonna win this season.

[9:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know, it really seems like they might. So now I watched the Australia version in Trader One.

[9:04] Tommy Bracco: My first season, Trader One.

[9:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: I think traders won't be a good one.

[9:06] Phil Bracco: UK the Faithfuls won?

[9:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, I think Traders won again. Let me let me fact check that.

[9:12] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I'm not 100% sure.

[9:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wait, let me rewind though. So in the middle of the episode, we have that pool table s t pool table scene with Sandra, and that's an amazing scene. Because that honestly, that, like you said, Kate said that's an aha moment. I feel like this is the moment that the game is changing. Like they're realizing it's just a numbers game. It doesn't have to be get the traders out because then more traders will be recruited.

[9:37] Tommy Bracco: So they at that moment decided us seven are gonna be against those five, no matter what, at the banishment table.

[9:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: Now, when they're not because they went to the ring of fire, and at the ring of fire, they had to choose one at a time who they wanted to protect, because none of Peter's posse was picked. Peter's posse, the whole point of eliminating or banishing one of Peter's posse was to let them know that what they're the way that they're acting, going in closed rooms, was not okay.

[10:13] Tommy Bracco: So my point is I think that that was gonna be accomplished at that ring of fire, regardless.

[10:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: So all that said, like Peter's my point is Peter's posse now knows because of the Ring of Fire that they need to start playing with everybody else because they put a target on their backs. It's now a numbers game. They're they're caught on. CT didn't pick Trichelle. Trichelle knows now, yeah, it's because we've been isolating ourselves. We've been locking ourselves away, so you don't want to play with us. I get it. Now, if she comes back, she's gonna be more inclined to play with everybody else.

[10:49] Tommy Bracco: So what I'm saying is they're like it was mission accomplished. Like they wanted to shake up Peter's posse and integrate into it.

[11:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: I think they did that at the ring of fire. All right. So I would get rid of MJ because that's who I think is gonna be um murdered. I'm talking a lot, I'm sorry, but I feel very strongly about this. So I think they're gonna get rid of MJ because if I'm Parvity, I want to get rid of someone on my team because then everybody in the house is gonna think that I would never murder MJ. They're gonna think that I would murder someone on Peter's team, and then it would take the scent off of Parvity. That's another one. That's what I was thinking. Like, if I'm Parvity and Phaedra, I want to murder someone on my own team instead of Peter's posse.

[11:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because if I murder someone from Peter's posse, it's gonna be obvious that it's just gonna be another confirmation that I am a traitor. But if I murder someone on my own team, it throws the scent off to one of Peter's posse. Um, so what I just looked up quick is that there are like four faithful wins from different countries. Okay, got it. All right. My answer to that is this: it's a numbers game. Why get rid of one of your numbers, right? And I heard what you said, but this isn't because now they go to the round table and they start saying poverty's a traitor. Yep. If they all start, there's five of them, right? So you only really have to get one more person. Right, to basically if they all five say possible.

[11:42] Tommy Bracco: Peter's posse?

[12:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I think it's five or seven at this point. Right. Yeah. Right. So now if you get rid of one of your numbers now, it's five or six. Uh-huh. If they kick out one of your group, now it's five and five. Like I don't see.

[12:45] Phil Bracco: But they can't kick out one of your group.

[12:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: They don't have the numbers. Yeah. If they make a valid case and none of them, they all were voted, they were banishing Peter.

[12:55] Tommy Bracco: Well, I also, yeah, I was just gonna say Peter might have not gotten murdered that night because he could have been banished. They were all, they were like we're banishing him.

[13:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: But I also think that now at the next round table, Peter's posse is gonna be less inclined to stick together.

[13:11] Phil Bracco: I don't know.

[13:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because they put a target on their backs and they're afraid of that.

[13:13] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, that's another point. No, like, think about who's getting who's up for murder today. Trichelle, Bergie, Pete, and Peter was the last one that didn't get pulled away.

[13:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like they really put, they clearly know that they have a target on their backs because of the way that they were playing.

[13:29] Phil Bracco: Poverty.

[13:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. MJ.

[13:31] Phil Bracco: MJ, Kate.

[13:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Kate. So there's three, two the other way.

[13:36] Tommy Bracco: I don't know.

[13:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, you're right. That's fair.

[13:37] Phil Bracco: Two shots.

[13:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm not really saying I don't see your point. I see it, but I don't see it. I just think if I'm poverty, I don't want to murder somebody on his neighbor's posse because I feel like it's gonna trace it right back to me then.

[13:50] Tommy Bracco: It's just finally getting some heat off her head.

[13:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. Like I would put it on somebody else. Like it's kind of the heat's going on to Peter's posse.

[13:58] Phil Bracco: So I feel like, I feel like I'm saying Peter's posse so many times.

[14:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: That should be the name of the episode.

[14:03] Tommy Bracco: Peter's posse.

[14:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: People will think we're Peter's posse.

[14:07] Phil Bracco: Like I said, I'm not agreeing.

[14:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm sorry. I understand.

[14:12] Phil Bracco: I think murder MJ, yeah.

[14:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: I see what you're saying, but I don't agree. I don't think Trishelle is the one that might go home.

[14:18] Tommy Bracco: Oh, I hope no.

[14:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: I actually think MJ is.

[14:21] Phil Bracco: I think MJ will. That's my, yeah, I don't know. We'll see.

[14:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: I am excited to see what happens.

[14:26] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, me too. And you can't say nothing happened because actually denying the invitation is a big deal.

[14:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, it is a very big deal. It was a big deal. And I've been saying for a couple, you know, for my integrity can't be bought.

[14:44] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I've been saying it's not for sale.

[14:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, that's what it was. So trust. I was saying today after I watched the episode.

[14:55] Tommy Bracco: I hated him on The Bachelor, right? You know that. I hate him.

[14:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: But what did I say from my season? I said, don't judge a reality TV star off of their TV edit.

[15:07] Tommy Bracco: That was my new saying. I said it on the reunion because it really was so true. I hated Ari when I watched him on The Bachelor.

[15:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: And he was still to this day one of the most incredible people I've ever met.

[15:19] Tommy Bracco: Okay, so same for Peter. I'm done judging these bachelor and bachelorettes because I mean so far it seems like two for two.

[15:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, okay. Um, like I said, I hated Peter.

[15:34] Phil Bracco: I think he's phenomenal in this show.

[15:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Phenomenal. He really is. He should have been on one of these reality top competition shows from the start.

[15:42] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I completely agree.

[15:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: He's amazing, he's thriving. I'm happy for him.

[15:46] Phil Bracco: He's great, he's good TV, he's like strategic.

[15:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, he's the whole package. And the way he's smugness, he's not a, like I don't find him annoying or like trying too hard.

[15:58] Tommy Bracco: I would love to see you if you were on the episode with him in the show.

[16:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because his way he looks at poverty like I know, I know it's you.

[16:07] Phil Bracco: And she knows she's like that's why I can't see, I can't stop yawning.

[16:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: I can't see them not banishing Burgie.

[16:17] Phil Bracco: Wait, now you think they're banishing Burgie?

[16:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Uh, murdering or banishing.

[16:23] Phil Bracco: Murdering.

[16:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: Either is the bigger.

[16:25] Tommy Bracco: Okay, well, you just said banishing.

[16:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. Either Trishelle or Burgie's going.

[16:29] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[16:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Trishelle will be terrible because I love her, actually.

[16:34] Phil Bracco: I do like her a lot.

[16:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: I really like her so much.

[16:36] Tommy Bracco: She's so good.

[16:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: I was like, oh, love.

[16:42] Phil Bracco: Yeah, that was great.

[16:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: I mean, I love Phaedra. I don't want Phaedra out, but I'm saying, like, I just love when people are on their shit.

[16:47] Phil Bracco: I had to rewind it because when she said it in the confessional, I had to rewind it and say, did she just say Phaedra?

[16:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I know. I said, holy shit.

[16:57] Phil Bracco: I know, because Dan so far, I mean, we're in episode what?

[17:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Seven?

[17:01] Phil Bracco: Seven.

[17:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Dan is the only one who said Phaedra's name.

[17:04] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[17:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Trishelle, she knew she said, I think a traitor was cool and not a trader.

[17:09] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[17:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love CT, but I do not think that CT's defense for not picking Trishelle made any sense.

[17:17] Phil Bracco: I mean, I didn't get it.

[17:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: He should have just been honest and said, you are part of Peter's group.

[17:22] Phil Bracco: That's a strong group of five.

[17:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: You're not playing with other people. That's why we, I could not pick you.

[17:27] Phil Bracco: Yeah, not because you would have to be a good one.

[17:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: I think John's smarter than you.

[17:31] Phil Bracco: Oh, but he did pick another person that's in Peter's group.

[17:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[17:34] Phil Bracco: Because John's in Peter's group.

[17:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[17:36] Phil Bracco: Oh, that is actually weird.

[17:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: You know what? That's so weird.

[17:39] Phil Bracco: No, I totally take it back.

[17:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: I thought he picked somebody not in Peter's group.

[17:43] Phil Bracco: No, he picked John.

[17:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: John's fully Peter's best friend.

[17:46] Phil Bracco: John picked Peter.

[17:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, why?

[17:48] Phil Bracco: Why didn't you?

[17:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because C.T. picked John.

[17:50] Phil Bracco: That's like.

[17:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: But why did C.T. pick John?

[17:52] Phil Bracco: That makes no sense.

[17:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: If I was Trishelle, he was saying game or personal.

[17:56] Phil Bracco: Game or personal personality.

[17:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because he said personal.

[17:58] Phil Bracco: He said John was smarter.

[17:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: John's basically, yeah.

[18:02] Phil Bracco: Basically, she literally said, are you saying John's smarter than me?

[18:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: And he said, well, I think he has experience in this field or something like that.

[18:08] Phil Bracco: Yeah, right.

[18:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Weird.

[18:10] Phil Bracco: Wow.

[18:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: Weird move, C.T.

[18:11] Phil Bracco: Weird move.

[18:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: I still love CT.

[18:13] Phil Bracco: I know I love CT and I'm living for the.

[18:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Holy shit. I didn't just realize that.

[18:21] Phil Bracco: That's amazing.

[18:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm not sitting here saying, like, oh, I need this one gone. I mean, I guess like the irrelevant ones, like who's that one with the curly hair?

[18:29] Phil Bracco: Uh, Shuri.

[18:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Shuri. I, has she had a DR?

[18:33] Phil Bracco: No, I kind of think she's iconic though at this point.

[18:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, she's so.

[18:37] Phil Bracco: She's iconic because she's speaking voice.

[18:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know, yeah, but like that's the point.

[18:41] Phil Bracco: Like, she when she had to be like, Victoria of Big Brother.

[18:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, she's like, what the fuck am I doing? Where am I?

[18:48] Phil Bracco: She's funny.

[18:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: I like her.

[18:50] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[18:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, but I'm loving the CT and Phaedra show, man, too.

[18:56] Phil Bracco: I had to ask my client today because she watches Real Housewives, and I'm like, I thought Phaedra was married.

[19:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's not.

[19:02] Phil Bracco: She's divorced.

[19:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: Is CT?

[19:03] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[19:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, CT was, he's getting divorced.

[19:06] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[19:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh.

[19:07] Phil Bracco: They're both getting divorced.

[19:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: So they actually really might have something going on.

[19:10] Phil Bracco: Totally, yeah.

[19:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because they were holding hands.

[19:13] Phil Bracco: Yeah, they're obsessed with each other.

[19:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's so cute.

[19:15] Phil Bracco: She was like, my CT.

[19:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's so cute with him.

[19:18] Phil Bracco: I know.

[19:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Do you know the backstory? Do you guys know the backstory of CT with his voice?

[19:25] Phil Bracco: Yes, of course.

[19:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Of course. That was such a, you know.

[19:29] Phil Bracco: Of course I know.

[19:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Dim.

[19:31] Phil Bracco: Okay, so of course.

[19:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: I cried.

[19:34] Phil Bracco: We all cried.

[19:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: I cried watching that thing.

[19:36] Phil Bracco: Yeah, we all did.

[19:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, now he's gonna cry again.

[19:39] Phil Bracco: Cut it out.

[19:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Then he went home.

[19:41] Phil Bracco: Cut it out.

[19:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, I went home to be with her.

[19:44] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[19:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: Anyway.

[19:46] Phil Bracco: Jamie Cousin.

[19:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Our producer.

[19:49] Phil Bracco: Wow, producer your hair looks gorgeous.

[19:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: What?

[19:54] Phil Bracco: Oh my, wait, Jamie.

[19:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: You look incredible.

[19:57] Phil Bracco: Oh wow.

[19:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: Thank you so much.

[19:59] Phil Bracco: Oh, she's got a little highlight.

[20:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh yeah, obsessed.

[20:02] Phil Bracco: You were supposed to sleep here last night. What happened?

[20:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, I just stuck it out.

[20:06] Phil Bracco: Uh, stuck it out where?

[20:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: Home.

[20:09] Phil Bracco: She was gonna sleep here.

[20:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, gotcha.

[20:12] Phil Bracco: All right.

[20:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, all right. Well, anyway, The Traders is amazing. I love it.

[20:15] Phil Bracco: And uh do you want to talk about it?

[20:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Do you have Traders news?

[20:20] Phil Bracco: I have two other shows, but we'll talk about your news first.

[20:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, we'll talk about my news list.

[20:24] Phil Bracco: So, what are your two shows?

[20:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, we gotta talk about The Bachelor.

[20:26] Phil Bracco: I know!

[20:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, uh you're not watching, right?

[20:29] Phil Bracco: Nah, that's um so uh you know what?

[20:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: I was gonna say something super fucked up. I think I'm gonna keep this one to myself.

[20:39] Phil Bracco: All right, I may, I'm just gonna say these girls have seen The Bachelor.

[20:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: The people that start trouble all go home.

[20:46] Phil Bracco: Why would you start trouble?

[20:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, but neither of them went home, so what are you talking about?

[20:52] Phil Bracco: Eventually they go home.

[20:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: They don't make it to the end.

[20:54] Phil Bracco: Yeah, they don't win.

[20:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: They don't get engaged, but they keep them around.

[20:59] Phil Bracco: That's why they start trouble because they keep them around, because they know that they're not gonna be the ones that he gets down on one knee for, so they're like, I need some airtime, and then they start drama.

[21:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Sydney is a piece of shit.

[21:10] Phil Bracco: Sydney is a piece of shit.

[21:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: I was just, Sydney, Sydney, and you didn't like Maria.

[21:15] Phil Bracco: You hold on an asshole.

[21:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: You didn't like Maria.

[21:18] Phil Bracco: I got she's being labeled as a bully, meanwhile.

[21:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love Maria now.

[21:24] Phil Bracco: I told you I knew it.

[21:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know a good person when I see one.

[21:27] Phil Bracco: Sydney is fake doing it for the fame.

[21:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: What happened to keeping it for myself?

[21:32] Phil Bracco: No, that's not what I was gonna say.

[21:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm, I was gonna say something really fucked up that I'm not gonna say, but I'll say after this podcast.

[21:37] Phil Bracco: No, just say it, child.

[21:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: Uh-uh, uh-uh.

[21:39] Phil Bracco: Why?

[21:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: Who cares?

[21:40] Phil Bracco: It's total.

[21:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Say it in a nice way.

[21:43] Phil Bracco: Total nope, it's total full-blown like cancel your fucking piece of shit material.

[21:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I'm just gonna keep it to myself.

[21:51] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[21:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um fake listen.

[21:56] Phil Bracco: Fake listen.

[22:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: My note, my note is Maria is being railroaded, dislike Sydney.

[22:06] Phil Bracco: Um, yeah, god the cough.

[22:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's gotta go.

[22:09] Phil Bracco: Sydney was really bad.

[22:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: Sydney was really, really, really bad.

[22:12] Phil Bracco: I mean, Maria made perfect sense.

[22:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: I blocked her on every form of social media.

[22:17] Phil Bracco: Of course, right away.

[22:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: How long is your block list, Chal?

[22:20] Phil Bracco: Very long.

[22:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[22:21] Phil Bracco: Too long to scroll.

[22:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: What?

[22:23] Phil Bracco: You'd be sitting there for like way too long.

[22:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh my god.

[22:26] Phil Bracco: The amount of people on the daily.

[22:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, if you think about it.

[22:30] Phil Bracco: Like, there has definitely been situations where people like maybe have looked me up from the show and like were like, oh my goodness, she blocked me.

[22:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, there has to be.

[22:39] Phil Bracco: The list is too many people in this world.

[22:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: It happened to me, remember, with Evil Dick from Big Brother.

[22:45] Phil Bracco: Oh, yeah.

[22:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: I, John went to go send me like a tweet he tweeted, and I couldn't see because he has me blocked.

[22:50] Phil Bracco: Wow.

[22:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: But why you?

[22:51] Phil Bracco: I don't know.

[22:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: How does he know you?

[22:53] Phil Bracco: I don't know. I guess from The Traitors.

[22:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: I guess he didn't like me.

[22:56] Phil Bracco: Maybe you guys like have something in common.

[22:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like you both have long block lists.

[23:01] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[23:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: Mm-hmm.

[23:02] Phil Bracco: Maybe.

[23:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Anyway.

[23:03] Phil Bracco: Um anyway, so Joe needs to get his liver checked or something.

[23:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, but his eyes are very yellow.

[23:14] Phil Bracco: We know who the winner is.

[23:16] Tommy Bracco: I don't know.

[23:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Let's be real.

[23:17] Phil Bracco: Yeah, you do.

[23:18] Tommy Bracco: No, I don't.

[23:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Didn't the show just start?

[23:20] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[23:21] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, it's episode three.

[23:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: It literally just started, and the winner is clear as day.

[23:25] Phil Bracco: No way.

[23:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Clear as day.

[23:28] Tommy Bracco: And the internet's actually like pissed.

[23:29] Phil Bracco: Like, why did you even edit it like this?

[23:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like you literally told us the winner.

[23:33] Tommy Bracco: Wow.

[23:34] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[23:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, we don't know if that's true though.

[23:36] Tommy Bracco: It could be the uh tear you off.

[23:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: But I mean, there's a couple of things.

[23:39] Phil Bracco: It could be what?

[23:40] Tommy Bracco: Well, no, because I actually know the winner from Reality Steve.

[23:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: If he's right.

[23:44] Phil Bracco: Wait.

[23:45] Tommy Bracco: He's only been wrong twice in like 23 seasons.

[23:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, anyway.

[23:50] Phil Bracco: Well, uh, I was I was upset, but you know, one of the sisters went home.

[23:55] Tommy Bracco: You were upset over that?

[23:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: I was so happy to see her gone.

[23:59] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I I felt bad for her.

[24:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Really?

[24:02] Phil Bracco: I did.

[24:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: I felt bad for her, but she needs to work on herself.

[24:06] Tommy Bracco: You can see a clear cut through the camera that she needs some self-love.

[24:11] Phil Bracco: Uh yeah.

[24:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, she she was having some issues.

[24:15] Tommy Bracco: Um I like I said, who who in their family said, yeah, it's great. Both of you on the same show to try to date the same guy. It's just really dumb.

[24:23] Phil Bracco: Um, America's Got Talent.

[24:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay.

[24:26] Phil Bracco: I I I pulled the you.

[24:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: What?

[24:28] Phil Bracco: I stopped watching it after Lauren Alred didn't make it past.

[24:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: Alred.

[24:32] Phil Bracco: What?

[24:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[24:33] Phil Bracco: I pulled it.

[24:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh my god, and the last episode was so good, and everyone who you wanted in got in.

[24:38] Phil Bracco: You know.

[24:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: Just watch it.

[24:40] Phil Bracco: It's on your DVR, no?

[24:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know it is, but it was I tried to, I watched Hampton.

[24:44] Phil Bracco: You watch, he watched the episode after Lauren was.

[24:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: I watched half of it.

[24:47] Phil Bracco: Because I was here.

[24:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: And I shot it off.

[24:49] Phil Bracco: I shut it off and didn't watch the rest.

[24:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: I I couldn't get into it.

[24:53] Phil Bracco: I'm like we watched all the performances.

[24:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, we're not.

[24:55] Phil Bracco: You didn't like that the puppet girl didn't have puppets.

[24:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh.

[25:00] Phil Bracco: She just sang.

[25:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[25:01] Phil Bracco: And so then the judges were like, Darcy, don't sing. Like, do what you're we brought you here to do.

[25:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: And you know what she did? She did not even bring out the puppet this week.

[25:11] Phil Bracco: And she just No, no, no.

[25:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Last week she brought out the puppet, but just sang.

[25:15] Phil Bracco: No, I know.

[25:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: This is the week that I saw that we watched.

[25:17] Phil Bracco: I watched, I watched that episode.

[25:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: That performance.

[25:19] Phil Bracco: I didn't watch them all, Thomas.

[25:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: This week she fully just left the puppet out and just fully sang the country song.

[25:24] Phil Bracco: I know that's the one I watched.

[25:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[25:26] Phil Bracco: Oh, so that was the last episode.

[25:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: I didn't watch the whole episode.

[25:29] Phil Bracco: I watched part of it.

[25:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wait, so he's fully watching.

[25:31] Phil Bracco: No, I know.

[25:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: I told that's why I'm so confused.

[25:33] Phil Bracco: I don't know who got past.

[25:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know who went past.

[25:35] Phil Bracco: I didn't watch the whole episode.

[25:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'll tell you who got past. You want me to tell you?

[25:38] Phil Bracco: Yeah, it's fine.

[25:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: I might watch it.

[25:40] Phil Bracco: Um did Darcy?

[25:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: No.

[25:42] Phil Bracco: Right.

[25:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: And that's one I wanted to.

[25:46] Phil Bracco: He did it on Simon Cowell.

[25:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: You probably didn't see him. He was one of the last acts.

[25:50] Phil Bracco: What about the girl that's The Sands girl?

[25:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: Sands.

[25:52] Phil Bracco: Sands.

[25:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[25:53] Phil Bracco: She was and one more.

[25:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't remember who.

[25:55] Phil Bracco: Anyway.

[25:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um The Sand girl was pregnant and lost the baby and then got pregnant again.

[26:00] Phil Bracco: That was the story.

[26:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes.

[26:02] Phil Bracco: That was beautiful.

[26:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um beautiful story.

[26:04] Phil Bracco: You want to talk about The Challenge? You want to touch on it?

[26:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: I got I got notes on The Challenge.

[26:07] Phil Bracco: The Challenge is frickin' nuts.

[26:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm not even watching.

[26:10] Phil Bracco: And it's it's I will say, like.

[26:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: I wait.

[26:14] Phil Bracco: What we really need to talk about is how naturally beautiful, stunning, not normal, probably the most beautiful human on this earth.

[26:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[26:25] Phil Bracco: Is Nerese.

[26:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know.

[26:26] Phil Bracco: She really is gorgeous.

[26:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: Her features, her skin, her body, her hair.

[26:32] Phil Bracco: I've actually never been so like mesmerized by someone's looks in my life.

[26:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, she's she's beautiful.

[26:39] Phil Bracco: I know.

[26:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's sick.

[26:40] Phil Bracco: Actually breathtaking.

[26:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, she's literally perfect.

[26:44] Phil Bracco: I know.

[26:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, continue.

[26:45] Phil Bracco: And she's all natural too, which is what I love.

[26:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh my goodness.

[26:49] Phil Bracco: She's just like insanely gorgeous.

[26:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, and she is really good.

[26:53] Phil Bracco: I really like her.

[26:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: I just love that. She's like my man's. Like she like I love her little relationship.

[26:59] Phil Bracco: I think they go great together.

[27:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know. I love it.

[27:01] Phil Bracco: I do.

[27:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: I really do. I just hate that they're all fighting.

[27:04] Phil Bracco: It's just I mean, I'd be fighting too if I was Nerese at Olivia.

[27:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: I would be so angry.

[27:09] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I would too, honestly.

[27:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: I really would. But listen, I mean, honestly, I would forgive her. I wouldn't be friends with her. I would forgive her because the outcome was amazing.

[27:17] Phil Bracco: Right.

[27:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: Nerese got to prove herself. She got to beat out the two strongest competitors in the house. Everything happens the way it's supposed to, but we'll never be friends again.

[27:26] Phil Bracco: Right.

[27:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. I'm gonna set out an apology right now. Because the last podcast we did, I said this is unfair to women, that all the women are gonna go home.

[27:37] Phil Bracco: And what happened is the three strongest men went home.

[27:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: Nerese proved that wrong. Nerese beat the two of them, and one fell.

[27:46] Phil Bracco: She beat Horacio, Kylan, Kyland, which was so impressive.

[27:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: And that's it.

[27:50] Phil Bracco: And then the other one, the other one fell first, right?

[27:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: And then James went home this this week.

[27:56] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[27:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: So four strong men in two weeks went home.

[27:59] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[28:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Might be an all-woman final.

[28:01] Phil Bracco: So no, it's not.

[28:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: There's Jay's there at the finals next week.

[28:06] Phil Bracco: Right.

[28:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: Jay is there, Corey's there. And um the the German guy.

[28:12] Phil Bracco: Uh Manuel.

[28:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: I thought that we had one more week.

[28:15] Phil Bracco: No, finals this coming week.

[28:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: I think it maybe it's a two-week final, maybe.

[28:19] Phil Bracco: Oh.

[28:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I I I was very scary.

[28:24] Phil Bracco: It's really, really like I'm very happy to see The Challenge like get exciting again.

[28:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: I feel like it was so boring for a long time, and it was kind of just exhausting to just go on Twitter and just see there was nothing good about The Challenge for the last few years.

[28:41] Phil Bracco: Nothing good was on my timeline.

[28:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: But people are loving it now. It's really exciting. I'm happy that it's like getting like the ratings are going up and it's just doing well.

[28:51] Phil Bracco: It's having a resurgence.

[28:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: And I'm happy to see that.

[28:54] Phil Bracco: Uh yes. Uh I I will say um very sad that Michelle went home.

[28:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love her.

[29:00] Phil Bracco: That's the one I wanted to get to. Love her so much.

[29:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: I got it so I wish I I wish we can ask her though. She's holding on the rope and just holding, not trying to put a feedback on.

[29:10] Phil Bracco: I don't get it. There must be a reason.

[29:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: She must like they must have she must have not been able to get on or something.

[29:16] Phil Bracco: Well, I mean, well, I just googled that it's because I was just interested three days ago. Um Deadline put out an article. Uh The Traitors uh the tr last episode of The Traitors has received reality series ends with an audience of eight million.

[29:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Whoa.

[29:36] Phil Bracco: Holy it's growing and it's growing fast. We haven't seen numbers like that s in a very long time.

[29:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Holy shit.

[29:43] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[29:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[29:46] Phil Bracco: Eight million.

[29:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wow.

[29:50] Phil Bracco: Crazy.

[29:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: Those old stuff. You know what's gonna happen. A lot of people are gonna start re-watching your season, too.

[29:54] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[29:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, they are, yeah. I've been getting like a lot of random followers.

[29:58] Phil Bracco: Wow.

[29:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I wanted to tell you a couple of random things about The Challenge. Um Michelle broke a couple of ribs when she fell.

[30:05] Phil Bracco: She did.

[30:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: I didn't know that.

[30:07] Phil Bracco: She hit the she hit the ground. You heard her go, ah. And then she came out and was smiley. She's always smiling. I I gotta love her. She's my favorite.

[30:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: Uh Colleen got a concussion.

[30:17] Phil Bracco: Whoa.

[30:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Olivia Olivia were she uh bursted a breast implant.

[30:24] Phil Bracco: No way.

[30:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: I thought that was a joke.

[30:27] Phil Bracco: I saw that online.

[30:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: No.

[30:29] Phil Bracco: Oh my gosh. See, that's why. This show is too much. I'm gonna stick to Broadway. I'm I'm done.

[30:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. Thank God I didn't get hurt. That like so not worth it.

[30:38] Phil Bracco: What are you doing it for?

[30:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: I always think about Olivia with that um.

[30:43] Phil Bracco: Yeah, with the sling, the slingshot, and that she could have been blind.

[30:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. I do feel bad for all the hate that Olivia's getting. I don't think that it's warranted.

[30:51] Phil Bracco: Like it's a game.

[30:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't think it's warranted, but I don't think that Nerese should have to be friends with her.

[30:57] Phil Bracco: No, but like the amount of shit that she's getting for this deal. And a whole thing was cut out. Like, so immediately like that wasn't the plan for Nerese to go in.

[31:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right.

[31:09] Phil Bracco: And Olivia immediately went the plan she should have picked Nerese, a hundred percent. But the plan was for Colleen to pick Nerese. And instead, Colleen backstabbed everybody and picked uh Corey instead.

[31:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: So now Olivia went.

[31:27] Phil Bracco: Apparently this was this happened and it was edited out. Olivia immediately, once Nerese was going in, Olivia said, TJ, can I switch places with her? I'll do the elimination instead. I don't want her going in. That wasn't the plan. Please let me switch places with Nerese, please. And they he said, no, it's locked in, and they edited that out. Like Olivia immediately felt bad, but that wasn't the intention.

[31:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: This is what you sign up for when you go on these reality TV shows. Like you know that they can edit it however the fuck they want.

[31:58] Phil Bracco: Oh yeah, totally.

[32:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: So she can't really be complaining about her edit. She could just be speaking her truth, and if that's her truth, that's fine.

[32:07] Phil Bracco: Right.

[32:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: But people are gonna hate when you make a decision like that.

[32:11] Phil Bracco: About her edit necessarily, but she's doing good. Like I I watched her podcasts, and she's just talking about she's like you said, she's telling her truth.

[32:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[32:20] Phil Bracco: And then what?

[32:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um and then what?

[32:29] Phil Bracco: You forgot what you were gonna say.

[32:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: And then she did talk to Nerese. And Nerese was playing the game and is like, yeah, don't worry about it, right? She was very happy when Nerese beat her and ran over and hugged her. Had no idea Nerese was gonna have this much, you know, not like animosity towards her.

[32:46] Phil Bracco: Right.

[32:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: After the fact, so she was kind of blindsided. Honestly, probably half of it's fake. Nerese probably just likes like that, like getting this type of attention, and I don't know, like you'd like kind of like go with it.

[32:59] Phil Bracco: I bet Nerese doesn't even feel that strongly about what she's portraying on Melania.

[33:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: So Horacio, they interviewed him when he just got a the new show he's doing, and he was like, Listen, I you know, I was kind of pissed off at Olivia too. I like they're really not gonna be the same. And then Olivia goes, I didn't even know him before Ryder dies.

[33:18] Phil Bracco: Yeah, that was it's it it's it was the truth, but you know, anyway.

[33:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: All right, yeah.

[33:25] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I I don't know, it's it's pretty crazy, but I do think that it's exciting. Like it's an exciting thing to talk about, which is the first time for The Challenge.

[33:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: All I can say is Michelle is ran the game. She did so freaking good. Everyone's talking about it's a shame she's not in the final.

[33:43] Phil Bracco: I know, I know, I know, I know. I'm so sad. She deserved it so much.

[33:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's gotta be so hard. Like she did USA too, and then immediately what's the matter?

[33:53] Phil Bracco: What what are you what?

[33:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: Did he do?

[33:57] Phil Bracco: He was just staring at you so deep.

[33:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like what like lingering on every word you're saying.

[34:04] Phil Bracco: He's talking.

[34:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, but you are really like staring deep into his soul.

[34:09] Phil Bracco: I think he loves Michelle too.

[34:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's why he's excited when we talk about Michelle.

[34:14] Phil Bracco: Yeah, we should have her over.

[34:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know, we really should. Um, can you ask her to be on the podcast?

[34:18] Phil Bracco: Yeah, we could do that for sure.

[34:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Great.

[34:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, I want to know what she feels about Jay now, too, because she loves everybody.

[34:26] Phil Bracco: What the hell happened to Jay?

[34:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: I met the guy.

[34:28] Phil Bracco: He's not like canon.

[34:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Really? I didn't, I didn't see that. Anyway.

[34:33] Phil Bracco: Um, can we talk about your exciting news?

[34:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, yes, yes, yes. So we're doing it was announced.

[34:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, I'm sure you guys seen it on my social media, and we're gonna post it on Real Tawk too.

[34:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, that they invited some people from season one and some people season two.

[34:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: Royal Caribbean is for the traders from the traitors. It's doing a murder mystery cruise where we play the game of the traitors. Um, there's 13 of us from the show. Um, we're each gonna have a team of 100 where we play our own full beginning to end game of the traitors. So on my team of 100, there will be about 15 traders. There will be five murders a night. There will be challenges on and off the boat at the islands we stop at. It's April 2025. And it's selling out pretty quickly. So if you guys want to come.

[35:32] Tommy Bracco: Can you go over some of the rules that you know and some of the questions that you got when you posted your thing? So like we don't have to. I heard people are confused. Like they have questions about how the game is gonna work. Do we know it yet or no?

[35:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I just was briefed quickly. The details aren't ironed out completely, and we are going to get like the contract game rule booklet. But the last I heard, it's going to be that at the end. So there's $50,000 that you can win. Um at so we are all playing our full own game. 100 of us. Right. All 100 of us. All everyone on team and 1,400 people. Right. But uh but it's a hundred of each game.

[36:19] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[36:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: So now if at the end of mine, let's say at the end of mine, uh, just to make it easy and simple, Thomas, Uncle Phil, and Jamie Cousin are left. Thomas is a trader, they don't know. They say, Great, let's end the game. Thomas is the winner because he's a trader, then of my team. Or if they say, you know what, Thomas, we know you're a trader, let's vote you out, and then Jamie and Uncle Phil win. Jamie and Uncle Phil are the winners of my team. Whoever the winners of my team are, split 25K with the winners of the other 12 teams.

[36:52] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[36:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: So they that's the 25K. Now that's over the course of five days. The cruise is six nights, seven days. Now. Wait. I guess to say one. There could be 10 winners.

[37:04] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, there could be however many faithfuls, or if there's a trader, or if there's multiple traders, there could be three traders left, and then those are the three, whatever however it winds up. Then the next day, and also during this, we're your guides, we're your hosts. We can help you, we can encourage you, we can guide you. Um, but we are just being the Ellen Cummings of our team.

[37:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Now the last day, we then the 13 people from the Traders with the winners from the previous day. So let's say Thomas was the trader and he was one of the winners, and then all of the winners from the other teams, we play a fast forward in one day game of the traders. And if somebody wins from one of the teams of 100, they win the other 25k, or they split it with the winners, or then if one of the 13 of us win, the people who were the winners on our team get the 25k.

[37:59] Phil Bracco: Oh, I see, got it.

[38:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay. So we play with you all. We play with you, but we don't win the money. So like if we win, like if you were the winner for my team because you were a trader, then you get the other 25k. Even if I get voted out from that game.

[38:13] Tommy Bracco: That's pretty interesting.

[38:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. So there's chance, there's a lot of chances to win money. And they're also doing like a lot of money challenges, like in the challenges, like kind of like Survivor. I think Survivor does that and stuff.

[38:24] Phil Bracco: Like little separate.

[38:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes. Anyway, this is really exciting. Um I saw like uh you some of the cool details that you were telling me that I think they would like to hear.

[38:38] Tommy Bracco: Oh, yeah. Supposedly. I mean, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this stuff, but um, they're bringing in like production from Big Brother to like recreate the table from the traders, and they're like building the set completely. They have like the theater blocked out, like they're setting up like where we all get to go on stage like with our whole team, and um the challenges they're setting up, they're putting a lot of thought into it. They're not just like half-assed doing it. Like this guy who came up with this whole thing, um, he has been he said this is years and years and years in the making. The traders just gave him the platform to finally really pitch it.

[39:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wow. Okay. So, um, like we said, it's called the cruise of deception. Um, you can go on the cruise of deception.com. Well, I think you should post on Real Talk.

[39:28] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, it'll be linked in our bio. Anybody wants to play with us?

[39:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes. Yeah, we're all going. Opportunity. We're all booked. We're we're we're ready to go. We're cruising. And oh, and the other part of this is the cruise goes to Jamaica, uh Lava. Babadi, which is one of the most beautiful islands I've ever been to. It's like equivalent to Turks and Caicos. It's insane. Um Coco Bay uh and Haiti.

[39:52] Phil Bracco: Bobadi is Haiti.

[39:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, okay. Um Jamaica and Bahamas. Amazing. And a private island, right?

[39:58] Tommy Bracco: That's Lava De Haiti.

[40:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, okay. Um, so listen, I know I'm playing, so you guys aren't gonna win anyway.

[40:06] Phil Bracco: Angelica.

[40:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: But what if they win? What if you all win as faithful?

[40:09] Phil Bracco: Yeah, that's true.

[40:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's true. Angelica doesn't like to like hype herself up, her team because she doesn't want to like go too hard. She wants to like play the, you know, play cool so that way we can come in from behind and take the whole thing. But on this podcast, we I could talk her up. She's been on this exact cruise before. With this exact itinerary. She has been, so she knows the ship that's going to be beneficial. Because here's the thing everyone that signs up for this cruise, they get to pick whose team they want to sign up.

[40:42] Tommy Bracco: Well, I've been on the ship twice. I've been on this ship with this exact itinerary once.

[40:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wow.

[40:47] Tommy Bracco: But I've been on this ship twice.

[40:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh my gosh.

[40:50] Tommy Bracco: Yeah. I know the ship very well. So everyone should pick up the ship.

[40:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: And I've been on its sister ship.

[40:54] Tommy Bracco: Oh my gosh.

[40:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: So yeah. So everyone should pick Team Angelica because if we we're gonna win.

[41:00] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, 100%.

[41:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: We are gonna win. We really are gonna win. We have to do it. But it's like our own little secret on this podcast. Like, you can't tell anyone on the internet that we're gonna win. But we are going to win, just so you all know. Um, what else? How many escape rooms have we all done together?

[41:12] Phil Bracco: I mean, literally over 60, and we won almost every single one.

[41:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um I would say 95%.

[41:20] Phil Bracco: Yeah, 100%.

[41:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: And I mean, I think I would say even more than 60, but anyway, so we're used to like thinking outside the box like that. We've done Big Brother Days, we've done the Traders Days, we've done like we're we're obsessed with reality TV. We were born for this. So like 100%.

[41:39] Phil Bracco: And what are my dreams?

[41:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: Is going to win.

[41:42] Phil Bracco: Oh, one trillion percent. I would bet my life on that. So that's when we say our team's gonna win, like, we're talking about that last day because remember, like there's winners from each team.

[41:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know the first day, so it's like kind of great because it gives people even more of an opportunity to win.

[41:59] Phil Bracco: Right, more money, yeah.

[42:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm a little confused.

[42:02] Phil Bracco: What?

[42:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: There's 13 people.

[42:03] Phil Bracco: Yes, 13.

[42:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: There's 13 people, so it's a bunch of people from season one. Do you want to read them out?

[42:09] Phil Bracco: Can you look at it?

[42:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, yes, definitely. Rachel Riley's coming, Janelle is coming.

[42:13] Phil Bracco: I know. I wanted to ask my question first.

[42:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, sorry. Okay. You said the first day, there's a winner for 25,000, but there's 13 days.

[42:20] Phil Bracco: No, not the first day. What happens is say that it goes over the course of five days. Right. The first four days, not one day. The first four days, you play your own version of the traders with each other 100. And you have there are winner or winners for the each different team.

[42:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: And you have there are winner or winners for the each different team.

[42:42] Phil Bracco: But there's 13 teams.

[42:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. And then all those are 13 times 25,000.

[42:47] Phil Bracco: No, correct.

[42:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, yeah, no. Yeah, they split that.

[42:50] Phil Bracco: So 13 wins.

[42:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: So it could be like 2,000, 1,000 a person.

[42:56] Phil Bracco: So I'm gonna 25,000 is split between the 13.

[42:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: And then if you make it on to the final game, then you're gonna be able to do that. That's when you're really only splitting 25k with like two or three other people tops.

[43:08] Phil Bracco: Totally getting out. I just want to be clear because I wasn't getting that.

[43:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yep. Yeah. There's like it's gonna be really fun. I think they're gonna put a lot into this. I think it's gonna be great.

[43:17] Phil Bracco: Who's gonna be on? Who's gonna be there?

[43:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: So we have I was tagged in like a post that has all of the people on it. Oh my god, just go on cruise, it's deception. And make sure you people you listen, make sure you get on. I see uh Kyle Kirby said he's joining.

[43:34] Phil Bracco: Yeah, Kyle messaged me today. He doesn't know if he's gonna be able to make it, but he's gonna try.

[43:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, so we have team Rachel, Rachel Riley from Big Brother. Then we have Janelle, who is officially sold out as of today. That's crazy. Yep. We have uh Gerald Dean from I Season, Michael from My Season, Stephanie from Survivor.

[43:56] Phil Bracco: Oh, obsessed with it.

[43:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm actually re-watching her survivor season, her first one right now. I just started. That's so funny. We have Amanda Shelby, Burgie from this season two, who's from Love Island. Um Andy, Christian, Love Andy. Bam, me, and Sandra from Sandra from Survivor.

[44:20] Phil Bracco: The Queen.

[44:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: I feel like two Survivor, one Love Island, and then the. I feel like other people are gonna wind up coming as it gets closer. They'll just added Sandra on today, so you never know. They're gonna wind up. Like if people are selling out and they want to invite someone and everyone's and they have this to prove and be like, look, everyone's sold out.

[44:38] Phil Bracco: 100%.

[44:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, how many people does the boat hold?

[44:42] Phil Bracco: I don't know, but let me tell you that this boat's gonna be oversold.

[44:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's a lot of people.

[44:47] Phil Bracco: Yeah. Yep. Let's say it's 3,000. Those other people are gonna get shut out of the cruise. If what are they gonna do? Are they gonna go watch us play too, the rest of the people? Is that gonna be like an event? You know how they shows when you go on a cruise.

[45:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right.

[45:03] Phil Bracco: Are we the show?

[45:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know. I know we have they have like the theater blocked off for us pretty much the whole time.

[45:10] Phil Bracco: Wow.

[45:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: We're the show. Yeah, like the I I don't know. I don't know how that's gonna work. But he said he was like, we have the dinner times blocked out for everyone. We have the theater blocked out for everyone. And he they're like figuring out how it's gonna work all timing wise because it's a lot of people. Think about that. Like it can't be all 1,300 people at once. Like, so you know, they're still ironing out the details, but they have plenty of time to do it. It's over a year away.

[45:33] Phil Bracco: Do you know who I'm excited to play with?

[45:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Who?

[45:36] Phil Bracco: Anne Annabelle.

[45:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: Do you know who's Anne Annabelle's really nervous to play with?

[45:41] Phil Bracco: Who?

[45:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Philip.

[45:43] Phil Bracco: Why?

[45:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's like, I can't even think about it. He's gonna be a traitor, and we're gonna be there standing up at the end, like family, like, yeah, let's finish this thing. And then Philip's gonna be like, sorry, stealing all the money.

[45:50] Phil Bracco: Yeah, he will.

[45:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, and she's like, I can't even think about it. Philip is so savage. He's gonna do amazing.

[46:00] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[46:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, anyway, okay. Well, uh, it's been real.

[46:05] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I'm very excited. So lots to look forward to.

[46:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: Lots to look forward to. Everyone, book your cruise, team Angelica. We'll all be there too. Um we're all playing, we're all excited.

[46:15] Phil Bracco: Yep.

[46:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: And team Angelica's gonna win.

[46:17] Tommy Bracco: And now you're gonna show me how to do it, editing, right?

[46:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes. Ready? One, two, three. It's been real.