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[0:07] Tommy Bracco: Hi guys, it's Tommy.

[0:09] Phil Bracco: There's no Angelica, but I'm Phil.

[0:12] Tommy Bracco: And you're listening to Real Tawk.

[0:15] Phil Bracco: Alright, so like my dad said, we have no Angelica today.

[0:18] Tommy Bracco: She is in South Carolina with John.

[0:21] Phil Bracco: They just closed on their apartment today.

[0:25] Tommy Bracco: They sent us pictures of them signing the paperwork.

[0:27] Phil Bracco: Is that what I said?

[0:28] Tommy Bracco: You said apartment.

[0:28] Phil Bracco: It's a condo.

[0:29] Tommy Bracco: Oh, okay. Well, whatever.

[0:30] Phil Bracco: It's the same thing.

[0:31] Tommy Bracco: It's a small, like, so I can rent an apartment, so.

[0:34] Phil Bracco: Okay, whatever. Congratulations, Angelica.

[0:36] Tommy Bracco: Congratulations, Angelica.

[0:38] Phil Bracco: I can't speak.

[0:39] Tommy Bracco: Okay. I'm very excited. That's why I can't speak.

[0:41] Phil Bracco: So, since we I mean, listen, we can't have two men talking about The Bachelor. That's a lot of male energy and it's a female show, pretty much, right?

[0:48] Tommy Bracco: Is that fair to say?

[0:50] Phil Bracco: Okay, so we had to replace Angelica for the day. Who better okay?

[0:54] Tommy Bracco: First of all, good news. We got our equipment in.

[0:58] Phil Bracco: The equipment that allows us to call people in.

[1:00] Tommy Bracco: Very exciting. Cost me a lot of money.

[1:04] Phil Bracco: Who better to replace Angelica for the day than her clone?

[1:04] Tommy Bracco: Her clone!

[1:10] Phil Bracco: I'm dead!

[1:11] Tommy Bracco: It's so accurate. I'm so excited, I literally can't even speak.

[1:15] Phil Bracco: Okay, cool. I can't get it out quick enough.

[1:17] Tommy Bracco: Our first guest is on today, guys. We're so so so excited.

[1:20] Phil Bracco: We're calling her. She is truly one of my best friends.

[1:23] Tommy Bracco: She is my favorite Big Brother player ever. I'm not kidding, ever.

[1:28] Phil Bracco: When I watched her on the show, I was freaking out, and this is before I met her.

[1:33] Tommy Bracco: She came off the show. I DM'd her right away, and we actually became friends because she's a major Broadway fan.

[1:38] Phil Bracco: So it was really insane the fact that we she was my favorite, then we became best friends, and then I went on the show.

[1:45] Tommy Bracco: It's absolute insanity. She knows my entire family. She's literally perfect. She's my favorite person in the world.

[1:51] Phil Bracco: She is a Brooklynite, a Long Island girl, the one, the only, the legendary.

[1:58] Tommy Bracco: Drum roll, please.

[2:02] Phil Bracco: Go for it.

[2:03] Tommy Bracco: Kaitlyn Herman.

[2:04] Phil Bracco: Woo!

[2:06] Tommy Bracco: Love Kaitlyn. I love her podcast.

[2:09] Phil Bracco: I can't wait to talk to her.

[2:10] Tommy Bracco: Quarterlife crisis. Can we call her now to make sure that's the case?

[2:12] Phil Bracco: Yeah, we'll call her right now.

[2:13] Tommy Bracco: But oh yeah, guys, FYI, there's a lot of technical difficulties. We actually already recorded the first two minutes of this podcast and then had to restart it because it wasn't recording.

[2:23] Phil Bracco: So uh, but I think we're working now, and we're gonna call Kaitlyn with this new equipment that we're so excited to be testing out.

[2:31] Tommy Bracco: It's working!

[2:34] Phil Bracco: It's working!

[2:35] Kaitlyn Herman: Are you sure?

[2:36] Tommy Bracco: Yeah!

[2:39] Kaitlyn Herman: You're on the show!

[2:43] Kaitlyn Herman: I'm so happy.

[2:45] Tommy Bracco: Kaitlyn, you're our first guest that we could ever call in ever, and we can see you.

[2:49] Kaitlyn Herman: Wow, hold on, I'm gonna turn the heat off.

[2:53] Phil Bracco: No, leave it on. We love the heat.

[2:55] Kaitlyn Herman: Bring the heat.

[2:56] Phil Bracco: I thought it's knocked on life.

[2:58] Kaitlyn Herman: Oh, literally the heat. I thought you meant the heat because you were just spanking your booty, but no, you literally meant the heat.

[3:03] Phil Bracco: No, no, I don't. I don't want to be loud.

[3:06] Kaitlyn Herman: Got it, got it, got it, got it.

[3:08] Kaitlyn Herman: Oh my gosh. You're our first guest ever. This is working. I can't tell you how happy I am.

[3:13] Kaitlyn Herman: Wait, should I have a new error?

[3:16] Kaitlyn Herman: Wait, should I hold my mic just for um general thinking I'm there?

[3:22] Tommy Bracco: Yes, absolutely. Please, please go get her.

[3:24] Kaitlyn Herman: Or should I use my or should she use my waterballer's mic?

[3:26] Tommy Bracco: No, I'm gonna have to.

[3:30] Kaitlyn Herman: Oh my god. This is the beginning of a new era for us.

[3:35] Kaitlyn Herman: So, Tommy, what an episode, huh?

[3:37] Tommy Bracco: What an app.

[3:39] Kaitlyn Herman: What an app. Are we starting now?

[3:41] Tommy Bracco: No, we're literally in. This has all been recording.

[3:44] Kaitlyn Herman: Oh.

[3:45] Tommy Bracco: But I'm gonna edit this out.

[3:46] Kaitlyn Herman: It's her I could edit it.

[3:47] Tommy Bracco: I don't think you should.

[3:48] Kaitlyn Herman: I don't believe it.

[3:50] Tommy Bracco: It's real. We're good. It's real time.

[3:52] Kaitlyn Herman: Okay, um, first of all, let's begin with a pleasure and an honor.

[3:58] Kaitlyn Herman: Oh, and a privilege to be here with you gentlemen this evening.

[4:04] Phil Bracco: My god.

[4:04] Tommy Bracco: My god.

[4:06] Kaitlyn Herman: Caitlyn, we love you so much. I mean, you didn't hear the intro that I gave you, but we hyped you up, obviously, because I told the listeners you were my favorite Big Brother player.

[4:16] Tommy Bracco: I was obsessed with you, and then we started talking because you like Broadway, and then I went on the show and you just got close with my family when I was in the house.

[4:24] Kaitlyn Herman: Like the trajectory of our friendship is actually insane.

[4:27] Kaitlyn Herman: I literally feel like we were meant to be friends.

[4:29] Kaitlyn Herman: Oh, 100%.

[4:30] Kaitlyn Herman: Tommy, I will never forget this. I don't know that I've ever said this on like a podcast.

[4:36] Kaitlyn Herman: I don't think I've ever told the story, but I will never forget when I was in Palm Springs.

[4:42] Kaitlyn Herman: This was maybe like you you were not on the show yet, but maybe like around March or no, it was around May.

[4:42] Kaitlyn Herman: It was around May.

[4:49] Kaitlyn Herman: And I went with some of my favorite guys from casting, and we just had like a beautiful weekend of us just getting drunk and being, you know, going to the gay bars and doing all this stuff.

[5:02] Kaitlyn Herman: And at this point, I had never met Tommy, but I felt this like strange allegiance to him.

[5:08] Kaitlyn Herman: So, like, even when we were all drunk, and I'm with friends of mine, like good friends. I was still like, so like, what's the latest? Like with Tommy? Like, because they were casting Big Brother.

[5:19] Kaitlyn Herman: I'm like, so like, how far are we gonna get? And you could tell, like, one drinking, and they're like, Caitlyn, let me like, stop. Like, don't do this.

[5:28] Kaitlyn Herman: And then, like, I'd see them. I'd see them take another shot, and I'd be like, any word, like, what's going on with Tommy?

[5:36] Kaitlyn Herman: And then it got to the point where I remember I was so drunk, they were so drunk, and I called Tommy.

[5:41] Kaitlyn Herman: I was just laying out of the pool. I was like, boys, I'll be right back. I like a whale, and now sprawl down against a lounge chair, and I call you, and I just go, I think you're in.

[5:45] Tommy Bracco: I think you're in. I think you're at the beach or something. I don't know what was gonna happen.

[5:53] Kaitlyn Herman: Yeah, I was at the beach. You have a good memory.

[5:57] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I'm like bizarre. I can meet you one time and see you in another state in like a CVS waiting on the pharmacy line, and I'll be like, oh my god.

[6:10] Kaitlyn Herman: Hey, I'm so dead.

[6:13] Tommy Bracco: Oh, and well, we love you so much. What you did not know that when you were in the house, we were struggling a little bit in here, and we actually called Kaitlyn and she helped us, she walked us through some of the things, and it was very helpful for us.

[6:26] Kaitlyn Herman: Thank you. I wish I only wish that my parents had someone like me, yeah, to explain to them what it would be like because it is freaking weird to feel so alone in that situation, but you guys had a good, like, I mean, I'm sure I think you guys were very interactive with the fans while Tommy was in the house, and yeah, um, I think that that was really good for for all of you for me too, honestly.

[6:53] Kaitlyn Herman: They really helped me out by doing that because they got to see that side of me, like that's real. This is really who I am, my family.

[7:01] Kaitlyn Herman: Yeah, on TV, you can be perceived or you can be edited to be something that you're not. And when people get to see you, like your element, your home, they get to see another side of you.

[7:13] Kaitlyn Herman: So, actually, I really think that they help me out too by being so important.

[7:16] Phil Bracco: Oh my god, 100%. And Tommy, it will I will never forgive. I will never forgive Big Brother producers.

[7:23] Phil Bracco: And that whole fight that happened um the night before I came into host a competition where you guys were like all being very clicky in the HOH room and leaving people out.

[7:31] Kaitlyn Herman: So that's the episode that I was supposed to be on for. We didn't get to see the episode that was you falling to the ground, like having an absolute seizure when I walked in that house.

[7:45] Kaitlyn Herman: Like I will never ever forget that moment of me walking in. Because I'm nervous. This is the first time I'm walking back in the Big Brother house with the first time.

[7:53] Kaitlyn Herman: One, I'm honored that they even like want me in the house to do this. Tommy, your face, I will never be able to forget it.

[8:02] Kaitlyn Herman: It's like you saw a ghost and Santa at the same time, and you were just like and there were moments, Tommy, where we would like we would grab each other's hands and we just look at each other, and you'd be like Because Kaitlyn, that was the first time we were meeting.

[8:16] Tommy Bracco: I know. We had spoken, like we became like pen pals for a whole entire year.

[8:21] Tommy Bracco: We were like talking, we became close friends, but I had never met her, and then winds up in the house the year after she does, and then she comes back to go to host the comp.

[8:31] Kaitlyn Herman: It was insane, but we couldn't talk about how we were talking beforehand.

[8:36] Kaitlyn Herman: So literally, she comes in, she contractually can't say a word to any of us, but like there was so much being said with just the looks.

[8:46] Tommy Bracco: We were literally just looking at each other like, hi, nice to meet you, you. You're good. Like, just like everything was being said at once.

[8:53] Kaitlyn Herman: No, I'm not sure. Tommy, and you were Tommy, you were so like I was trying so hard to like get shit, especially when once we got in that backyard.

[9:03] Kaitlyn Herman: Cause you know, I was being shady and I was like, I was like saying my light twice in my in my ear the whole time.

[9:09] Kaitlyn Herman: They're like, Catlin, can you fucking cut it out? And I'm like, nope, like I won't do it.

[9:13] Kaitlyn Herman: I was like, at this point, you guys aren't kicking me out. But like, Tommy, you were so invested in watching the competition when I was literally just trying to stare at you and make eye contact the whole time and be like, I know because you know why?

[9:26] Tommy Bracco: Honestly, I get nervous like to break rules like that. So I like couldn't. Like, I didn't want to communicate. I didn't want to break the rules. I didn't want to get caught for ahead of time.

[9:39] Kaitlyn Herman: I didn't want to know. I just literally was just like focusing on the competition. I can't look at her. I can't try and get that inside scoop because then I just get so nervous breaking rules like that, honestly.

[9:49] Kaitlyn Herman: I have to just say one thing. I'm so sorry. I had to jump on.

[9:52] Phil Bracco: No, Victoria's in our producer.

[9:53] Kaitlyn Herman: Yes, I'm so sorry. I just gotta jump on because I will never forget FaceTiming with Kaitlyn throughout the summer.

[9:59] Kaitlyn Herman: And she said to me, she said, um, Tommy's gonna lose his mind.

[10:03] Phil Bracco: And I said, Why?

[10:04] Kaitlyn Herman: She's like, Yeah, I'm going to host a competition. I said, Oh, I said, he is going to pass out.

[10:11] Phil Bracco: I said he's actually gonna pass out when he sees you.

[10:13] Kaitlyn Herman: And then she told me how she was squeezing a hand and everything, but I I was dying.

[10:16] Phil Bracco: I was like, Yeah, I don't know. He's gonna jump over the fence and come home sooner than we think because and you did. She came back, she's like, he died.

[10:21] Kaitlyn Herman: No, I literally threw myself on the floor. It was insane.

[10:30] Tommy Bracco: No, I wasn't okay. Like, I and no one will ever see that moment. Like, that's so annoying. We go on this show to be recorded 24/7, but some of the best moments don't make it on the air.

[10:42] Kaitlyn Herman: I literally walked in and it was nighttime. And I was like, I don't want to do one of those dumb ass things that people do where they open the door and go, I'm back. So I literally walked in and I was like, When's dinner?

[10:44] Tommy Bracco: And I was like, Why is that not being shown?

[10:55] Kaitlyn Herman: I know. It was so good because we literally were cooking dinner at the time.

[10:58] Tommy Bracco: I know. Like, we were like, it actually that's right. I actually remember like thinking, oh, what an interesting creative way to walk in, actually.

[11:08] Kaitlyn Herman: Like, I was like, that was so good. She said when's dinner because we're cooking dinner.

[11:11] Tommy Bracco: No one's ever said that.

[11:14] Kaitlyn Herman: Thank you for noticing that. But one show that I want to talk about, especially I mean, while we're here, I'm I mean, I'm doing transition work, like this is my show.

[11:22] Kaitlyn Herman: I love you. Guys, we need to discuss something before we get into the logistics of tonight's Bachelor episode.

[11:30] Kaitlyn Herman: Do you think at some point we can see anyone on the show eating a meal? Just once. I just want to know what someone's eating on the show.

[11:40] Phil Bracco: Yeah, you're a hundred percent right. They never show that.

[11:41] Kaitlyn Herman: And I always get so interested to look at that stuff on reality TV.

[11:46] Kaitlyn Herman: Like, did you ever notice on The Challenge they get food catered because it's covered in plastic wrap?

[11:51] Phil Bracco: Yeah, they have to also because they're like in crazy places, you know.

[11:55] Kaitlyn Herman: Mm-hmm. Wow, yeah. But we never see them eat on The Bachelor.

[11:59] Phil Bracco: Never.

[11:59] Kaitlyn Herman: I just I just want to see someone eat.

[12:02] Kaitlyn Herman: I wonder what I mean. I don't know why that is. Yeah. Well, they're just too so busy showing drama. Today was I want drama behind a meal. I think we need to start a campaign. Yeah, this is we're on to some bachelor. I'm a justice warrior. They're literally on like one-on-one dates, and they don't want to cook. We thought we were gonna get it tonight. Oh, yeah, they were that's the other thing. You're right. We thought that they were gonna cook a meal. They baked some cookies. They were not gonna be able to do it. And guess what? And guess what? We saw one moment of kid spoon feeding Matt raw dough. Did we see a final product? Did we see a moment of a tears of a cookie, a dunk into some milk?

I saw none of that. I saw none. None of it. You're so right. Why is that there's something more to it that we don't know about? There's a reason why. I'm willing to start. I'm willing to start today. The campaign starts tomorrow. We're gonna make merch. Yeah. Yes. Because everyone wants that shirt. Every that's it. Um, I'm gonna do some homework and figure out why. I wonder like if there's someone I could reach out to that might know, but that's like really interesting. Yeah. Anyway, um, so tell us what you thought about the episode. Like, I want to hear all your thoughts on Queen Victoria. I actually really especially want to hear your thoughts on the bullying that has been very prominent in this season because yeah, that's I think that's a great question.

Let's start with a hot take. Let's start with a hot take. I don't know if you guys have discussed this yet on your show. What? Who you believe is in the running to be the bachelorette. Now, I have some stake in this. Uh, community of listeners, can we all pretend for a minute that like you guys have loyalty to me and whatever I say here stays here? Please, thank you. I don't know how tight knit the real talk group is. Okay, great. So I'm about to say some shit. So I may or may not know someone that is like going on. So I'm very invested. Very invested in who will become the Bachelorette. Dead Bachelorette. Now, in the beginning, I was like, oh, it's gonna be Abigail. Without it, without a shadow of a doubt, it'll be Abigail because we've never had someone that has a hearing impairment.

Um, we've never, I don't know, she's a very sweet girl. She had a beautiful storyline tonight, opening up about her father and the whole thing. Yeah, absolutely. I'm telling you right now, I'm gonna say a hot take. Why? I believe the next bachelorette will be Katie. Oh, I would love that. All right, so obsessed. There are some rumors, and the three people are Brie Springs, Abigail, and Katie. Let me ask you something. Let's have a follow-up. Do you think that Brie can carry a show? The most gorgeous girl there. Can she carry a show? No, she can't carry a show. So Brie is out. Let's do the final two. We got Katie and we got Abigail. And as much as I love Abigail, like Katie is getting this edit.

She's a justice warrior. She's sticking up for people. She's kind of goofy. We have sexual positive health going on with her. Like, it's a different kind of vibe. We've never seen it. I think it's gonna be Katie. Yeah, I think so too, a thousand percent. And I am a big Katie fan. She did look a little jealous tonight, though. You know what? I'm gonna be honest. I think we all get like that, you know. Exactly. Yeah, I feel like that's the show. That's part of it. We see Michelle today. Michelle was having a hard time on the group date. She walked in, got a one-on-one, and then it was amazing, and now she has to watch her guy that she's into be with other women. It's gotta be very difficult. That's how the other girls felt when she came in and got a one-on-one.

Yeah. I feel bad for Michelle because she's obviously 10 times like better in every way than these women, and I just I don't I I'm annoyed that she's even there, you know. I think it takes a very different type of person to even go on a dating show in general. Not to say that the opportunity isn't like unbelievable, and it's a once-in-a-lifetime and you should go, you know, outside of your comfort zone and do stuff like that, but I don't know. To go on a dating show, that's one thing I put my foot down on. I hear you, I do. I do think that we need more people like her on dating shows, though, for them to actually be successful. Because if it was all um Queen Victoria's, or even I think about Kelsey from last season with the champagne in the face or Peter season that was if it was all girls like that, then it wouldn't be interesting.

It's about fighting love at the core. We need the women like Michelle. They're do we think that Victoria, what about you guys? Like, I don't know. Do you guys think that Victoria was planted there, or you think it's the real deal? Well, we had been saying on the show that we think that she is planted, but then I got a message from this girl, Alyssa Amarosa, who's very into the reality TV world. She has a podcast with Barstool, she does her digging and her homework, and she says that Victoria is real. So see, I saw a TikTok recently of a girl saying, like, no, guys, like I went to high school with her, she's like not well. So I was like, oh, okay. Um, I guess this isn't a an act. He loved her.

Yeah, I actually thought she was great TV. You know what? I agree with you for a few reasons. One, people like Victoria make my time my short stint on the air seem normal. You know, like if it weren't for people like Victoria, I would still be known as some cuckoo cachou from CBS on season 20 of Big Brother. But because of people like Victoria, I look really good. Um I look really pretty, I look really refreshed and normal. So you were perfect on the show. Like, I'm sorry. It you never seemed crazy. You were just fun. You were never crazy, you were just fun. That's how I felt watching you. Even when you're and I love you, and I love it. I watched it two more times. I do know I actually literally watched season 20 twice since I got off the show.

Like I literally watch just rotating seasons all year long, like non-stop. And I've been season 20 twice since I've been on. And I still I I I I don't think that you're crazy on it. I never did. I and I thank you. I was definitely a little misunderstood, but I mean Victoria, I don't think is misunderstood. Like, I think there's yeah, there's a big difference. Yeah, the edit, it's like, come on, babe. Yeah, that's you. Well she says things that are just like a little out of line. And listen, I have I think because of the nature of my season of Big Brother, the word bullying is very just like triggering for me, especially and uh when I see I s we see this come up on show after show. Bullying, bullying, bullying.

The way it gets thrown around, it has a lot of weight to it, that word. And uh I have mixed feelings about it because while I do not condone bullying, the facts are it's reality TV. You want to be yourself and you want to fight. That is the point of the show is for people to fight. So, like, how do you work that balance between fighting and being real and uh and not you know crossing a line? Like, I I'm well here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think that the original girls, as MJ would like to call the varsity girls, um, are deeply disturbed in the fact that they think that these new girls that came in, they had any say in when they were coming. I mean, they were so up in arms and so rude to these new girls when it's like you think they're happy, they've been sequestered for longer than you, they're getting the shit end of the stick here.

The least you can do is be like if you were that confident, the way I see this as like a life coach, honestly, it's like all of their deflections and insecurities were coming through at the highest regard. Because if you were that confident in yourself or your connection with Matt, but forget the connection with Matt, even in yourself, a few girls walking in a few weeks in should not even rattle you at all because you're like, no, I'm I'm different. Like, we are not comparable. I and Caitlin, and you are this person, and we are different, and it is what it is. But it's like Victoria, I think was a bit of a bully, 100%. The rest of the girls, I think were just like a little like they isolated and they were just like a little caddy.

But I didn't I don't think that the other girls were bullies, just Victoria. I do agree with that. I look at like Anna in particular, and uh I feel bad because like it like you just said, if the girls were in a secure, confident place, if they were feeling good, they weren't. And she never did. We saw that Anna struggled. Like, take the bullying out of it, that whole entire story arc. We saw that Anna was struggling. You could see it on her face. She her light just continued to dim with every episode that went on. On this first episode of this season, she actually was my favorite. I said, That girl looks like a Disney princess. Her smile is so bright, it's radiating through the TV. I love her.

And then with every episode that got went on, the light dimmed. And she got to a dark place, is what I saw. I don't know if it's true or not. And she, you know, she heard a rumor that this girl's an escort. Like that that's someone told her that. How is it fair to, you know? I don't I don't know if I agree with the way that she was sent out, and just like, you know, the way that they treated Anna for bringing that up. Like, if she really was told that, listen, I think that she got carried away. Like, I don't think that it was coming from a good place. I think that it was coming from a place of hurt. But is that enough to like shun this girl and I don't know, send her away? Like, I just feel like sending her away because of that to me wasn't fair.

Send her away because you don't have a connection with her, but because she's a bully and said this, it it doesn't feel warranted. It feels like very aggressive for the crime that was done that. Well, I'm sure that Anna feels good now because did you guys see that whole thing with um with um Brittany's like the girl that she's accusing to be an escort, X, Y, and Z. No, Brittany's like a guy came through and was like, um, she this girl Brittany completely used me for um my money, and I took her to Dubai, and she and I had a whole arrangement, and so it's like although Anna was actually technically correct, and although it probably wasn't in her I I think the rule is if you know anything about someone going in, just shut up.

Like, honestly, just shut up because like you're making yourself even more of a target, and it's just not your fucking place. And that's number one. Oh, sorry. Do we not curse here? I don't know. Anyway, curse, you're good. Um, so yeah, there's that, but like, yeah, apparently, like Brittany like has John stuff like that. So I'm sure Anna feels pretty good today. So here's another thing now. So I watched something today where Matt was golfing with his friends, and he one of his friends decides to try and throw him off a little bit and goes, So, um, how's Victoria's body?

[24:09] Kaitlyn Herman: It didn't look that good to me, and everybody starts laughing. So isn't Matt doing the same thing that he now threw Anna out and Victoria? And then he doesn't come out and say, "Oh, I have to watch who my friends are." Yeah, like people laughing, and then he missed a butt. Listen, people mess up, nobody is perfect, but then to like label somebody as a bully and therefore cancel them, that I don't agree with. That I think so, cancel culture in itself is such, uh, you don't know how much I hate the cancel culture. It's not good.

[24:46] Kaitlyn Herman: Yeah, it's not good for so many reasons, but someone said to me the other day, I forgot who it was, and it totally resonated with me. But it's like if we don't have like cancel culture, I mean, if we don't have like we don't have culture, like we need people to make mistakes so they can grow and change. Like, what are we gonna do? Give everyone one chance to make it right? Like absolutely not.

[25:12] Kaitlyn Herman: Like, I completely agree. Like, what is that? Why is that happening here? I've seen cancel culture ruin people's lives, and I think especially like my friends' lives. Like, listen, it goes back to my season on Big Brother. I feel like when you're on the show, you carry with you a lot of things that happen in the house throughout life, and that is something that is still again like very triggering for me. Like, even cancel culture, I've watched good people like really become something else because of their experience when they get off of a show because of the things that people say to them, yeah, and like it ruins people's lives, it ruins people 100%.

[25:59] Kaitlyn Herman: But Tommy, let me also tell you this that I was in the running, I was definitely canceled when I walked out of that house. And I mean, I had a boyfriend that I emotionally cheated on in front of national, like in front of America and beyond. Like, I was not I was canceled by people I don't know and people I do know. But the great part about being canceled or being that position is that you can't be canceled if you don't allow yourself to get canceled.

[26:28] Kaitlyn Herman: Yeah, so I always say that to people too when they get off shows. Like, no, yeah, people are judging you right now when they're trying to cancel you, but you can't get canceled unless you allow them to cancel you. Like you continue to show up and you explain what you did was wrong, and you keep growing and you keep educating yourself and you don't shut the fuck up about it. You don't shut up, shut up about what you've learned, you don't go rogue, you don't go silent, you show up for everyone else saying, "I was fucking wrong. Holy shit, I'm a maniac." Like, guys, like join me in this journey to change, and you just don't go anywhere, and therefore you end up not getting canceled. Like, just don't hide when you're canceled.

[27:02] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I'm actually obsessed with that.

[27:04] Kaitlyn Herman: I'm literally obsessed with that. That's like what I beat the system. What can I say? I'm literally gonna carry that with me after this.

[27:11] Kaitlyn Herman: Like, that's you have to. You have to, and that goes for everyone listening. Not, I mean, listen, because that's extremely unrelatable. I'm sure there's people at home listening being like, "Yeah, like I'm like for sure gonna get canceled, like America's gonna hate me." Like, no, you're probably not. You're an average Joe Schmo sitting in your den. But in the event that you're in high school or something and like your friends are like making fun of you or your friends are judging you or whatever, like, no, you don't like their opinions and what they're saying to you is just a sentence.

[27:40] Kaitlyn Herman: Like, you're the one that holds value of what they're saying. Like, just don't fucking do it. Like, don't give them value.

[27:47] Phil Bracco: Right, yeah, you're 100% right. I love that. I love that so much.

[27:51] Kaitlyn Herman: Anyway, um, can we talk about MJ?

[27:55] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, tell me your thoughts.

[27:59] Kaitlyn Herman: A lot. I think that she is just again really struggling. Like, I think that she's really struggling, really, really worried about how she's gonna be editing, editing. I think that she's super aware that she's on a television show, and she's actually extremely calculated in the things that she says. She keeps trying to divert the conversation away from her being a bully because she does not want to get that edit.

[28:31] Kaitlyn Herman: And she's not owning up to her mistakes because if she owns up to it, that will be what she walks away labeled as. So she's trying to just pretend like she's trying to sweep it under the rug and deflect as much as she can to avoid having a tough experience coming out of this, is what I think. But honestly, is that that big of a deal? Like, I don't really think that that's that bad. JV and Varsity, so what? It's a little mean girl, but like I'm sorry, that's TV.

[29:01] Kaitlyn Herman: That's life. Like, that's what, in my opinion, if you try and filter people that much when they're on a show, then you're gonna eventually not have any shows. Like, people have to have the freedom to say stuff like that.

[29:14] Phil Bracco: Oh, Tommy, no one's disagreeing with you on that, but like, is she like meant for Matt? Like, no.

[29:21] Tommy Bracco: No, no.

[29:22] Phil Bracco: No, but neither is Katie for that matter. I like me and Angelica were laughing about that because we're obsessed with Katie, but then actually think about like Katie, I feel like is on a different show. She's not there to date. She's just there to be Katie.

[29:35] Kaitlyn Herman: Well, Katie is like first her on like the Maury show. Like, she like think about Katie and Matt together, the chemistry. Like, it's like, wait, do they actually even go together?

[29:45] Tommy Bracco: I feel zero sexual chemistry with you two.

[29:48] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[29:48] Kaitlyn Herman: But we love D. Same with MJ. She it does it's clear that she doesn't belong with Matt. That's it.

[29:55] Phil Bracco: But Rachel, on the other hand, my god.

[29:58] Kaitlyn Herman: Wait, no, I want to hear your thoughts on MJ first.

[30:01] Phil Bracco: I think MJ is someone that needs to reach out to me for services when she gets home.

[30:08] Kaitlyn Herman: She's struggling. She's really, she's got like walls up. Walls and walls. I don't know that MJ knows who MJ is, is what I get from her. I think that the hair is not a personality.

[30:21] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I agree.

[30:23] Kaitlyn Herman: And I think she needs to understand who she is.

[30:25] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[30:26] Kaitlyn Herman: And for that, MJ, if you're listening, um, which I don't know that you are, you know. I don't know that we've reached you yet.

[30:34] Kaitlyn Herman: Uh, this podcast. But that being said, if you are listening, MJ, um, feel free to hit me up. I coach many ex-reality stars, and I'm willing to lead you in a direction of love.

[30:46] Phil Bracco: Caitlin is amazing, you guys. You have to check out her new digital course that she came out with. It's literally so good.

[30:54] Kaitlyn Herman: This is our first ad that we've ever done.

[31:01] Phil Bracco: A digital course that on K coaching.com.

[31:05] Kaitlyn Herman: That's amazing. I'm so, um, yeah, so MJ, not great, but wait, wait, before before we go to Rachel, because everything you were just saying about um MJ, I actually really feel that way about Kit.

[31:21] Kaitlyn Herman: I feel like Kit has so many walls up and she doesn't know who she is. I, it, I, uh, it's actually breaking my heart watching her on TV because I feel like she has been in like so used to being in the spotlight for her entire life that she wants to be on TV, but she's terrified of being vulnerable and real, and now it's gotten to the point that she doesn't know who she is, is what I get from Kit.

[31:45] Tommy Bracco: My heart actually breaks with every sentence that comes out of her mouth.

[31:49] Kaitlyn Herman: She's also 21, though. Like, think about think about you at 21.

[31:54] Phil Bracco: Like, oh my god, she has so much more growth.

[31:57] Kaitlyn Herman: I will say that this experience is probably gonna be a really good thing for her, though, because I I'm sure you can say the same, Tommy, but there I don't think that there's anything more powerful, a more powerful thing than to be able to re-watch yourself and your behaviors and the things that you do.

[32:12] Kaitlyn Herman: And it's it's a beautiful form of reflection. And I think that if she watches herself and she starts to recognize some of the behaviors that aren't necessarily like fitting to her, she has a great opportunity to change and grow up a little at a young age. So I mean, and hopefully that applies for all of them.

[32:32] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I agree.

[32:33] Kaitlyn Herman: That's true.

[32:35] Phil Bracco: So I made an observation today. I thought she looks a little bit like Laura San Giacomo.

[32:41] Kaitlyn Herman: I don't think that one person listening to this knows who's Laura Santiago is.

[32:46] Phil Bracco: No, Laura San Giacomo.

[32:48] Kaitlyn Herman: Okay, got it. Who's that?

[32:52] Phil Bracco: So Caitlin, this is the shit that we deal with. He just comes out of with random facts once in a blue moon. He has his list that he holds up, he takes notes for all week long, and then he tries to transition smoothly into the things on his list.

[33:06] Tommy Bracco: It never goes.

[33:08] Phil Bracco: No, this reminds me of my father.

[33:09] Kaitlyn Herman: And then did you also take notes while your son was on Big Brother?

[33:13] Phil Bracco: Well, that was off the cuff.

[33:15] Phil Bracco: There might have been a couple days we took notes, but those lives were what were off the cuff.

[33:19] Kaitlyn Herman: My father started a journal and he made it to day two.

[33:23] Phil Bracco: And he all all he wrote was, um, um, confused, like fussy, not sure that we like, and like that's the end of the journal.

[33:35] Kaitlyn Herman: So um, and then they just started drinking hard liquor for the episodes.

[33:39] Phil Bracco: I love him.

[33:40] Kaitlyn Herman: That's so sweet.

[33:41] Phil Bracco: Caitlin's family's amazing, guys. FYI.

[33:43] Kaitlyn Herman: I forgot that you met my dad.

[33:46] Phil Bracco: Oh, yeah.

[33:46] Kaitlyn Herman: I met them all. I love them.

[33:47] Phil Bracco: Oh, yeah.

[33:48] Kaitlyn Herman: I love that.

[33:49] Phil Bracco: Okay, guys. Here's the thing that I love I just gotta say it about Rachel.

[33:55] Kaitlyn Herman: Tell us, yes.

[33:55] Phil Bracco: You've been dying.

[33:56] Kaitlyn Herman: She is one of the most beautiful girls.

[33:58] Phil Bracco: She's literally one of the most beautiful girls I've ever I think I've ever seen in my life.

[34:02] Kaitlyn Herman: But there's something so special. I'm so glad we got to see that one on one tonight because she's really very humble.

[34:08] Phil Bracco: Yes.

[34:09] Kaitlyn Herman: And she has no idea how great she is, and I find that to be very endearing, and I think she's winning.

[34:18] Phil Bracco: I love her.

[34:19] Kaitlyn Herman: I'm obsessed with her. I think she's when you see her smile, your insides feel warm and fuzzy.

[34:26] Phil Bracco: Like we feel that smile inside of us when she looks like a big thing.

[34:30] Tommy Bracco: I love you so much, and I say this with so much respect, but that was so gay.

[34:40] Kaitlyn Herman: I mean, I'm literally watching The Bachelor and I have a full podcast room designed to just review The Bachelor and Bachelor.

[34:50] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[34:51] Kaitlyn Herman: So gay.

[34:52] Phil Bracco: I said it before, I'll say it again.

[35:01] Kaitlyn Herman: I cursed the day I was born a heterosexual woman because I would just love nothing more than to be in the community.

[35:11] Phil Bracco: You're in it.

[35:12] Kaitlyn Herman: You are in it.

[35:12] Phil Bracco: Stop it.

[35:14] Kaitlyn Herman: LGBTQ plus is all about inclusivity.

[35:17] Phil Bracco: And that's so you are more than welcome.

[35:19] Kaitlyn Herman: You're a member girl.

[35:21] Phil Bracco: I think a few people would disagree with you on that one, but I'm willing to I'm willing to join.

[35:25] Kaitlyn Herman: This is your invitation.

[35:28] Phil Bracco: Thank you.

[35:29] Kaitlyn Herman: Might have fallen off the back of a truck, but it's good for now.

[35:34] Phil Bracco: But yeah, Rachel is a doll.

[35:37] Kaitlyn Herman: She's a doll.

[35:38] Phil Bracco: I'm trying to think if there's anyone else that I'm like loving.

[35:44] Kaitlyn Herman: No, honestly, that's it.

[35:46] Phil Bracco: Like it's them.

[35:47] Kaitlyn Herman: That's it.

[35:48] Phil Bracco: I'm excited to see what happens, how this evolves.

[35:52] Kaitlyn Herman: I'm interested to see Heather Martin come in.

[35:54] Phil Bracco: Oh, yeah.

[35:55] Kaitlyn Herman: Oh, look at that transition. That was good, Dad.

[35:59] Phil Bracco: So Heather Martin's gonna come in and the other girls now are gonna be like, who the F are you? Why are you here? And I'm dying to see if it was the new girls.

[36:07] Kaitlyn Herman: Yeah, if the new girls turn around and say, Heather Martin, why is she here? Then they are gonna be contradicting themselves. They will be hypocrites to all the girls that got mad that they came in. So if one girl that was a new girl gets upset, I'm gonna have some words on the next podcast.

[36:26] Kaitlyn Herman: I'm gonna have words on the next podcast as well.

[36:28] Phil Bracco: Yes.

[36:29] Tommy Bracco: Okay, now all right. Let's jump in with a little more drama. Let's see if you've really done your research here. Let's go. Let's take a step further with Heather Martin, a step further, which by the way, we'll send you a photo for you to put up in our socials of me, Heather Martin, and Demi and Morgan Willette. We met at an event last year. She was really great. Anyway.

[36:53] Kaitlyn Herman: Now, have you seen that thing that Dylan from Paradise? You know, Dylan and Hannah G, that couple? Are you guys familiar with that?

[37:02] Phil Bracco: Honestly, I wish Anjelica was here. We just started watching The Bachelor with Peter's season. So we don't know any of these people.

[37:09] Kaitlyn Herman: Okay, well, then let me just make it clear for the listeners that are in Bachelor Nation. Over the weekend, there was a bit of a... there's a guy that, you know, was on The Bachelorette at one point, then he went to Paradise and found Hannah G, which they're engaged, they're a very cute couple. I guess Dylan was feeling a little frisky over the weekend and was going on a Twitter rampage to say the least.

[37:34] Kaitlyn Herman: And he is just like, I'm in the mood. I feel like, you know, airing some dirty laundry here. Like, I want to talk about The Bachelor. Should I do it? And everyone's obviously like, yes, let's go. Great. So he starts answering questions. And one of the questions is who do you think is the most screwed over person from production like ever on Bachelor?

[37:59] Kaitlyn Herman: And he said, Jed. Jed was the winner of Hannah Brown's season.

[38:03] Phil Bracco: Yes, I met him. He was on me and Christy's podcast.

[38:06] Kaitlyn Herman: Yes, yes, yes. Which is a very controversial thing for Dylan to say, considering like he like totally cheated and broke our sweet Hannah Brown's heart. But allegedly, I guess that's not true.

[38:21] Kaitlyn Herman: Then, this is why this is relevant. Then Dylan begins to say, also Heather. Like they screwed over Heather for what you're gonna see. Like, and I have a prediction that, well, obviously, I don't think she's lasting very long if she even lasts. And I think that production probably said to her, like, no, like he's interested, or like he has mentioned you or whatever, which then gave her the confidence to show up, yeah, and then sends her home.

[38:51] Kaitlyn Herman: But yeah, you guys gotta check out Dylan's Twitter, Dylan Barboa or something. I don't know his last name, but go check it out because he spills some tea.

[39:03] Tommy Bracco: Honestly, Kaitlyn, you spilled more tea than I think we've ever gotten on this podcast, and I'm so grateful for you. You need to come back, like you need to be back once every two weeks. We need you.

[39:15] Kaitlyn Herman: I don't know that the listeners are gonna want that.

[39:18] Tommy Bracco: Oh no, man, I want that. And I think the listeners, everybody loves you. How could not everybody love you?

[39:25] Kaitlyn Herman: She's like, well, let me make something abundantly clear, yes. For all of our listeners here, it was a dark time recently because it's like, yes, I agree. Like, who wouldn't want to listen to me, right?

[39:39] Kaitlyn Herman: But my podcast, Quarter Life Crisis, had a bit of a transition recently where we lost one of our members, so now it's just Amanda and I, which I'm totally fine with. Right, no hard feelings to Morgan, great.

[39:54] Kaitlyn Herman: We've lost since the announcement. We've lost about 275 Instagram followers since the departure of Morgan. And does that equivalent our value as a show? No, it doesn't. Does it feel not great? Absolutely.

[40:14] Tommy Bracco: Oh, Kaitlyn.

[40:15] Kaitlyn Herman: I'm sorry. So it does make you question like should we really have like the biggest Morgan's fans in the world listening to QLC that like all of a sudden now they're like, we're indebted to her and we can't listen to the show. It's like a little weird.

[40:29] Phil Bracco: I hear what you're saying, and that's why I'm gonna just say this. Guys, any listeners, if you've enjoyed Kaitlyn, I know that every single one of you have because you're like me and I'm obsessed with her. Go listen to Quarter Life Crisis. It's an amazing podcast.

[40:43] Tommy Bracco: I listen to it on my car rides all the time. Let's try and get them some more listeners. Get some Real Tawk listeners. She's amazing, you guys. She has so much good insight. She's just so down to earth. You can talk to her about anything. She's so real.

[41:00] Kaitlyn Herman: She'll dive in. Like, I've listened to her show and she'll dive in on crazy topics. She's extremely open. You know, you want to talk about real talk, that's what you get with Kaitlyn. That's why when we first got this equipment, I was like, we gotta get Kaitlyn on. She's gotta be the first guest. She's literally, she's one of us.

[41:16] Phil Bracco: So, guys, go listen to Quarter Life Crisis. You will not regret it. If you're looking for a new podcast, that's it. It's one of the podcasts I listen to when I'm doing my walks.

[41:25] Kaitlyn Herman: Oh, yeah, his walks.

[41:26] Phil Bracco: Oh my god, you're like my mom.

[41:28] Kaitlyn Herman: I actually just did a shout out to my mom in the last episode. I go, Amy, you're listening to this part, you're on the South Oyster Bay Road listening, doing a heavy drug or whatever's going on.

[41:41] Tommy Bracco: I mean, I think podcasts are actually great to listen to on walks. It keeps you distracted.

[41:45] Phil Bracco: Absolutely.

[41:45] Kaitlyn Herman: Or car rides. Whenever I'm driving to the Bronx to Joey's house, I'm always popping one in.

[41:49] Tommy Bracco: Joey lives in the Bronx.

[41:51] Kaitlyn Herman: Yep, Joey's.

[41:52] Phil Bracco: So, how far is that drive?

[41:53] Kaitlyn Herman: An hour.

[41:55] Phil Bracco: It's not bad.

[41:56] Kaitlyn Herman: He's worth it though.

[41:57] Tommy Bracco: I'll allow it.

[41:58] Kaitlyn Herman: Oh, Joey's gonna love that you said that.

[42:01] Phil Bracco: I'm not gonna lie. If my father said that about someone I was dating, I would shit my pants of happiness.

[42:11] Kaitlyn Herman: Like, I just got chills.

[42:14] Phil Bracco: I just got chills.

[42:15] Kaitlyn Herman: That was it. That was the official like approval.

[42:19] Phil Bracco: That was the first time he's ever said anything like that.

[42:21] Kaitlyn Herman: No, I've said that.

[42:23] Phil Bracco: I've seen it.

[42:23] Kaitlyn Herman: No, he's literally never said like he's always hinted, but to that extreme, never before.

[42:29] Phil Bracco: He's worth it though.

[42:30] Kaitlyn Herman: Yes, he is.

[42:32] Kaitlyn Herman: I will say, in the short times and the short moments that I've met him via FaceTime, he just seems like a doll.

[42:40] Phil Bracco: He is a doll.

[42:41] Kaitlyn Herman: He is so great together. Like we like just balance each other.

[42:47] Phil Bracco: He's gotta balance each other.

[42:50] Kaitlyn Herman: Yeah, we call him Joey Whispers because we balance each other out, like you said.

[42:55] Phil Bracco: Joey Whispers.

[42:57] Kaitlyn Herman: That's his rapper name.

[42:59] Phil Bracco: No, literally, that's it.

[43:01] Kaitlyn Herman: Joey Whispers on the chat.

[43:07] Phil Bracco: Welcome, Joey Whisper.

[43:09] Kaitlyn Herman: I love Joey Whispers.

[43:10] Phil Bracco: That's amazing.

[43:12] Kaitlyn Herman: Aw, yeah, he's gonna love that because he was yelling at me today. He said, Oh, I'm listening to your podcast where you talk about, you know, he was yelling or he was whispering.

[43:22] Phil Bracco: No, he yeah, he was not yelling. He was complaining. Let's just call it that. That's the better way to put it.

[43:28] Kaitlyn Herman: He was complaining to me today because he said on one of the podcasts, you made it sound like I'm crazy. So he's gonna be very happy that we're talking him up right now.

[43:36] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[43:37] Kaitlyn Herman: So that was, we actually had a whole skit on the hot crazy matrix.

[43:43] Phil Bracco: Yeah, which is terrible, terrible, terrible, which we're not getting into again.

[43:48] Kaitlyn Herman: It's too much.

[43:49] Phil Bracco: Really? I can't.

[43:50] Kaitlyn Herman: You can look it up on YouTube.

[43:54] Phil Bracco: Anyway, we're done with that hot crazy scale.

[43:57] Kaitlyn Herman: Caitlyn, we love you so much. You're the best.

[44:00] Tommy Bracco: Guys, thanks for having me on.

[44:02] Kaitlyn Herman: Thanks for talking with you. As before, it was an honor. I'm gonna come visit you soon in Brooklyn.

[44:08] Phil Bracco: We're so excited.

[44:09] Kaitlyn Herman: Oh yeah, Anjelica's gonna do your hair. February 11th.

[44:11] Tommy Bracco: I know. I'm literally a monster that I was like, I don't want to drive to Staten Island, so I'll just pay you double if you come here.

[44:20] Kaitlyn Herman: And now I'm thinking about it, and I'm like, Kaitlyn, who the fuck do you think you are? Number one.

[44:27] Kaitlyn Herman: Like, I'm not swimming in funds here. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just a regular girl, like trying to get by, like coaching and doing my shit.

[44:35] Kaitlyn Herman: Like, sure, like I can fend for myself, but like, what the fuck? Like, who do I think I am? But in moments, I'm gonna do that. Come to Staten Island. We'll have a day, but I also want to come to Brooklyn.

[44:47] Phil Bracco: Then we could, we'll figure it out.

[44:48] Kaitlyn Herman: We'll text each other, we'll figure it out. It's all good.

[44:51] Phil Bracco: Victoria, are you coming?

[44:54] Kaitlyn Herman: Uh yeah, uh this is the first I'm hearing, but if you're getting your hair done, I'll be there.

[45:00] Kaitlyn Herman: Yay!

[45:01] Phil Bracco: Wait, you know who I'm gonna have?

[45:03] Kaitlyn Herman: Who?

[45:05] Phil Bracco: My friend that's gonna be going on so you can meet.

[45:11] Kaitlyn Herman: Great.

[45:11] Phil Bracco: Can't wait.

[45:13] Kaitlyn Herman: Love that.

[45:15] Phil Bracco: Alright.

[45:13] Kaitlyn Herman: So pumped.

[45:16] Phil Bracco: Wow.

[45:16] Kaitlyn Herman: Okay, great.

[45:16] Phil Bracco: Guys, look up Defunctions and Quarter Life Crisis.

[45:21] Kaitlyn Herman: Those are the two plugs, our first two ads for Kaitlyn.

[45:24] Phil Bracco: You just honestly, like, everyone needs more Kaitlyn Herman in their lives. So go out and seek it in any way possible that you can find it.

[45:32] Kaitlyn Herman: Wait, should I try to get a discount code for my course for your listeners?

[45:37] Tommy Bracco: I would, yes, I would love that. Please.

[45:39] Kaitlyn Herman: Guys, it's amazing. It really is.

[45:41] Kaitlyn Herman: I'll put it on my Instagram.

[45:46] Kaitlyn Herman: I'll talk to my people.

[45:47] Phil Bracco: Oh yes.

[45:48] Kaitlyn Herman: Talk to your people.

[45:49] Kaitlyn Herman: Talk to my people. And like this one girl I hired one time and I paid her like two times and her name was Sterling.

[45:55] Phil Bracco: Like that's it.

[45:56] Kaitlyn Herman: Okay, so I'll talk to my people, guys. Thanks so much for having me on.

[45:59] Kaitlyn Herman: I will say it takes a very, very special group of people to keep me up this late.

[46:04] Tommy Bracco: I know.

[46:04] Kaitlyn Herman: Thank you.

[46:05] Phil Bracco: We send you. You know, we called you later than we said too. So thank you for bearing our technical difficulties.

[46:11] Kaitlyn Herman: So I love you guys.

[46:12] Tommy Bracco: Alright, we love you so much. You're the best, Kaitlyn.

[46:15] Kaitlyn Herman: Take care, Kaitlyn.

[46:16] Kaitlyn Herman: Bye.

[46:17] Phil Bracco: Bye.

[46:18] Tommy Bracco: She's the best.

[46:20] Phil Bracco: She really is so good.

[46:21] Tommy Bracco: Like, how do we even continue an episode after that?

[46:23] Phil Bracco: I was a little starstruck, guys.

[46:25] Tommy Bracco: Starstruck?

[46:26] Phil Bracco: I know. Honestly, she really, she's amazing.

[46:30] Tommy Bracco: Well, I get it. I was just listening to the conversation. I just have so much love for her and just like oh so much respect, too.

[46:38] Phil Bracco: Like she is somebody that constantly wants to better herself.

[46:42] Tommy Bracco: She's always looking to grow.

[46:44] Phil Bracco: She makes the people around her better.

[46:46] Tommy Bracco: She really just like is a light in the world, honestly.

[46:50] Phil Bracco: I love her.

[46:51] Tommy Bracco: Alright, guys, so I think we could finish up, right?

[46:54] Phil Bracco: Let's wrap up.

[46:55] Tommy Bracco: I just want to let everybody know that today I did some shoveling.

[46:59] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[47:00] Tommy Bracco: And I might have hurt, given myself stomach hernias.

[47:04] Phil Bracco: No, that's not possible.

[47:06] Tommy Bracco: That's not possible that you gave yourself, yeah, you pulled a muscle, probably.

[47:09] Phil Bracco: I'm sorry.

[47:09] Tommy Bracco: You don't know what it looked like. It was very disfigured.

[47:11] Phil Bracco: What?

[47:12] Tommy Bracco: Disfigured?

[47:13] Phil Bracco: Mommy, she saw me, she goes, ooh.

[47:15] Tommy Bracco: You mean distended?

[47:17] Phil Bracco: Yeah, it was bad.

[47:19] Tommy Bracco: What do you mean?

[47:20] Phil Bracco: I'm very confused.

[47:21] Tommy Bracco: Like on my stomach, right?

[47:23] Phil Bracco: But also, why are you bringing this up on the podcast? Like, who wants to hear about your protruding stomach?

[47:30] Tommy Bracco: You said we'll talk about the real life stuff after the sh after Kaitlyn.

[47:33] Phil Bracco: Oh my gosh.

[47:34] Tommy Bracco: You really want to tell everybody about your stomach.

[47:37] Phil Bracco: Alright, guys. But I want to thank you then to come in and save me once I was shoveling the second time.

[47:41] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I shoveled most of the day. The second time.

[47:43] Phil Bracco: I did that the first time.

[47:44] Tommy Bracco: Got it.

[47:46] Phil Bracco: I love to shovel, I do.

[47:47] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, you're a little crazy.

[47:48] Phil Bracco: Alright, guys. Listen, we're gonna, we'll see you next week.

[47:51] Tommy Bracco: We love you all so much. It's been real.

[47:54] Phil Bracco: It's been real.