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[0:07] Tommy Bracco: Hi guys, it's Tommy.

[0:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: And it's Elka.

[0:10] Phil Bracco: And I'm Phil.

[0:11] Tommy Bracco: And you're listening to Real Tawk.

[0:15] Tommy Bracco: How's it looking?

[0:16] Phil Bracco: How's the levels look?

[0:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Good.

[0:17] Phil Bracco: The levels look good.

[0:18] Tommy Bracco: Very exciting day.

[0:20] Tommy Bracco: We have a very special guest.

[0:21] Tommy Bracco: The Circle just wrapped their season two.

[0:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: I hope everyone watched it.

[0:25] Tommy Bracco: If you didn't, there's gonna be a lot of spoilers, so you might want to wait to listen to this episode until you watch it.

[0:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: Definitely.

[0:33] Tommy Bracco: But we're so excited because we have a very special guest, my personal favorite.

[0:38] Phil Bracco: Well, should you be introducing him?

[0:39] Tommy Bracco: Should we call him right now?

[0:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, let's just call him.

[0:42] Tommy Bracco: Alright, so we're gonna go right to the interview and then because he has somewhere to go, and then we'll talk about the episode afterwards.

[0:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: Great, perfect.

[0:48] Tommy Bracco: Love that.

[0:48] Tommy Bracco: Alright.

[0:49] Tommy Bracco: So Tommy.

[0:53] Tommy Bracco: Shooby! Tommy, what's up, man?

[0:57] Shubham Goell: Yes!

[0:58] Tommy Bracco: Oh my goodness.

[0:59] Shubham Goell: It's Shuby.

[1:01] Tommy Bracco: Oh my gosh.

[1:02] Shubham Goell: Can you hear me?

[1:03] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, yeah, no, I can hear you perfect. Can you hear me?

[1:05] Shubham Goell: Alright, yeah, we could hear you. We had some technical difficulties a little bit earlier, but we're gonna be able to do that.

[1:09] Shubham Goell: Unfortunately, we don't, you know, should have been done earlier, but you know, I was playing softball.

[1:15] Phil Bracco: Like, why is he telling Shuby that he decides softball?

[1:18] Shubham Goell: Oh, that's awesome. Hey, softball baseball fun. Hope you won't hit a home run!

[1:25] Phil Bracco: Shubi, how are you doing? You were saying you have a wrap party coming up?

[1:30] Shubham Goell: Oh yeah, man. So the cast is having season two cast is having a wrap party. Um, and some of the season one cast are gonna be there. So I'm going to that in like an hour, so that should be fun.

[1:40] Phil Bracco: Are you in LA?

[1:41] Shubham Goell: Yeah, I'm in LA actually.

[1:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, that's amazing. Thank you so much for making time for us. You are our absolute favorite from season one, and you're just the best.

[1:50] Shubham Goell: You're about strategy, which I love.

[1:53] Shubham Goell: Yeah, man. No, first of all, so much love to you and the family. And like, yeah, man, I first time we talked, I was like fanboying hard, Tommy. I'm a huge fan of you, and I love Big Brother.

[2:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's so funny, Shub. Like, I felt the same way talking to you. And it's just so funny how this reality TV show thing works that like the reality world works.

[2:11] Shubham Goell: Like that both happens to us.

[2:13] Shubham Goell: Yeah, absolutely. No, for sure. It is, yeah.

[2:15] Tommy Bracco: Um, so I guess like let's just dive in. We just want to ask you a bunch of questions. Our listeners wrote in and asked some questions. We want to ask you those too. But mainly I would love to just hear like how did your life change after you went on The Circle? I want to hear about your experience.

[2:29] Shubham Goell: For me, I guess for number one, right? Like, for me, it was always a dream to go on like a competition show like this. So for me, it was just that fulfillment I got by competing on the game. Like just to like Tommy, you know, playing in a competition game is so exhilarating and fun. So to get that experience was so fun. Um, and then yeah, I think in the way that the life changes, so many more people know about us and our stories. Um, so and I guess there's more opportunities in that sense, and then you know, the social media thing got like really a lot from that. Like, you know, because of the Netflix thing. So I guess everything's changed, but nothing's changed at the same time because I'm, you know, I'm still the same person. Um, I do a lot of the same stuff, so it's hard to say. I mean, I think you would know Tommy. Things change, but at the same time, a lot doesn't. It's a weird paradox.

[3:24] Tommy Bracco: So I want to hear what you thought about this season. Like, who did you think played whose game strategy-wise were you impressed the most? Cause I know, like we said, you're a strategy guy, so it's really I think that this season was a lot more strategic than the last one.

[3:41] Shubham Goell: Oh, absolutely. The season definitely took a strategic turn. Um, well, I mean, so look, I always have to give credit to the person who won. I don't know if I can do spoilers. Is that okay, Tom?

[3:51] Tommy Bracco: Yes, go for it. It's okay.

[3:53] Shubham Goell: Oh, okay. Yeah, hell yeah, guys. Um, I gotta give credit to the winner. I think she played a great game. You know, she got first place in that sense. Um, yeah, she played a phenomenal game. She really did.

[4:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, she was amazing. I'm I was obsessed with her.

[4:07] Shubham Goell: Yeah. Oh, I know, yeah, no, Anjelica, she just killed it. And um, I think also strategy-wise, Courtney played a hell of a strategic game.

[4:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh my god, I agree.

[4:21] Shubham Goell: He just came to play, and you also saw that from Jack earlier, because I know Jack's a huge Survivor Big Brother fan, also. So you could just see how these players came in and knew that how the game was played and they used strategy on it. So I was very impressed by those three.

[4:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's funny you say that Jack is a Survivor Big Brother player because or fan because I feel like I saw the strategy in him the whole time.

[4:48] Shubham Goell: That makes sense to me. You could tell that he loves shows like that because every move he made in The Circle was super strategic.

[4:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: If it wasn't for the twist, it would have been great.

[4:59] Shubham Goell: Yeah, if it wasn't for that twist, he would have done really well.

[5:03] Phil Bracco: Yeah, the Mannequin Challenge, man.

[5:07] Shubham Goell: You know, screwed him over.

[5:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[5:10] Shubham Goell: Yeah, I don't know, for sure. Like, I think I would have done even worse than him. So I'm glad we didn't have that. Poor thing.

[5:16] Phil Bracco: What do you think, Shubi?

[5:18] Shubham Goell: So, what do you think? Like the ins we talk about this all the time? What is the incentive for playing in The Circle as a catfish? What do you think it is?

[5:27] Shubham Goell: Well, um, well, I think for a lot of people, right? It's a game, so it's like it's kind of like it's that fun aspect to it, right? It's kind of like where's that game like um there's that game where those card games, there's like the cops and robbers, or um, you know, it's just sometimes it's fun to be the robber, right? I think it's right. I think for a lot of people they want to see how different how they could do it as someone else. Right. Um, so I think it's the thrill of it, and they wanted to see how well they could do it, and um other times people feel that, you know, based on the person they have, they know how society reacts to them. So it's kind of like a thought experiment, how a different type of player would do.

[6:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um yeah.

[6:11] Shubham Goell: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think that also I was re-watching a little bit of season one, and there were some players, I think Seaburn said, you know, a lot of hot girls get a lot of likes. So sometimes you think that you would do better in a social setting if you were somebody else. Some of these people think that. I've at least in season one, Seaburn spoke about that. We didn't hear too much about that in season two, like people saying I'm playing another person because I feel like they will do better than myself.

[6:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, Jack did that in a way.

[6:47] Shubham Goell: Yeah, Jack did, you're right, he did.

[6:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, actually, that's true.

[6:49] Shubham Goell: And even um Delisa did too. She said, yeah, yeah, so that's true. I stand corrected.

[6:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I have questions though.

[6:56] Shubham Goell: Yes.

[6:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: Alright. Are you do you guys talk about it? Were you on the same floors? Were you on like how did that work? Because I people some of the girls, especially like Chloe, they scream and how do you not hear them?

[7:09] Shubham Goell: Yeah, no, no. So we were on different floors, each player had a different floor, and they really do it Netflix and Studio Lambert the production company do such a great job of um coordinating it like the building is totally soundproof so you'll never hear anyone or see any other players so that's why it's it's a really great creation they've done.

[7:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: And what about when you're an influencer though? It looks like you're in the same like they have it in the same window that's a sick shot.

[7:10] Shubham Goell: No, no, the rooms are across from each other and it's like a soundproof wall I believe so you can't hear anything.

[7:10] Phil Bracco: Yeah, that was dark. That's crazy.

[7:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: Alright, so I have another question. This is just coming to the top of my head you might not be able to answer this, Shubi, and if you can't, that's okay. Ratings, what do you think of like I've heard like a lot of strategy competition show fans talk about how they wish they could see all of the ratings? What do you think?

[7:10] Shubham Goell: Oh, that's interesting. I know because I feel like we after yeah see where the ratings were afterwards because I feel like we never see what everyone put down. We wanna we want to see where everyone stands and what everyone's thinking.

[7:10] Shubham Goell: You know what's funny actually this is something I find myself doing and you know I'm such a diehard Big Brother fan and you are too we spoke about that right?

[7:10] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, yeah, huge fan.

[7:10] Shubham Goell: Yeah, what we what what did you do?

[8:31] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, but I find myself like I'll think of things I'll say I wish on the finale the people in the finals could give like a speech to say why they should win as opposed to just a final ranking. But then the more I think about it, these like little adjustments that I'm making in my head, it's really me just trying to make the show Big Brother, but it's different than Big Brother, and that's what makes it modern to today's time.

[8:57] Shubham Goell: It is about social media, it is about rankings. It is a different show than Big Brother, even though there are a lot of similarities.

[9:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: So it's just I'm just like calling myself out that a lot of the things that I wish The Circle did are just like me used to Big Brother, but it's actually the way that these kind of games are evolving, I think.

[9:18] Shubham Goell: And it's for the better, it is.

[9:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: That was such a good note of yours. Like, yeah, it is times like that where because these shows are so similar, but there are distinct differences.

[9:29] Shubham Goell: Right.

[9:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: And you do think of that end game where oh, you know, we have a final ranking, but what if we have a jury of like the blocked players voting for it? Um, it would be fascinating to see either Big Brother or The Circle incorporate each other's elements. Um, but then you're right, in the same way, you have these distinct games, and then it kind of meshes.

[9:47] Shubham Goell: So it's interesting.

[9:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Kelly McGoldrick asks, Are you told to wake up and go to bed at a certain time?

[9:56] Shubham Goell: Um, no, we didn't so we didn't have time, uh, like there were no clocks in there. So it was kind of like we were just waking up when um the day was supposed to start, and we go to bed when the day was supposed to start. But there was some freedom in that. But we had like, you know, we had all these activities in the day, right? Like blockings, ratings, right? The group chats, uh, your, you know, obviously um just your miscellaneous time.

[10:21] Shubham Goell: So there was a set of blocks and stuff, yeah.

[10:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: Amazing. So that really brings me into my next question from the listener, Julia Greenberg, 11X. Are there chats that the players have that aren't shown on the TV?

[10:34] Shubham Goell: Oh, yeah, I mean, you know, for sure, because it's like, uh, you know, these shows are compact and it's like 60-minute episodes.

[10:40] Shubham Goell: Um, so they can't fit everything in, but they do a great job of showing the conversations that are, um, you know, important to the authentic story.

[10:50] Shubham Goell: So there are chats that aren't there, but the authentic stories told, so that brings me to I have a spin-off question with that.

[10:58] Shubham Goell: For sure. When you, okay, when you're talking to people in the circle, when you're there, it's like day 10, you're feeling a little more relaxed and comfortable.

[11:07] Shubham Goell: Do you ever feel relaxed and comfortable with these cast members? Or do you feel like there's pressure and, uh, there's pressure on every interaction that you have with people?

[11:20] Shubham Goell: Do you ever get to relax and let your guard down, or is it every the gameplay role 24-7?

[11:27] Shubham Goell: Right. Yeah. Uh, well for me, like I think Tommy, all and you guys all know that, like, you know, the stakes are so high in these games, and being a huge fan for me, my game was always in the, my head was always in the game and trying to stay safe.

[11:40] Shubham Goell: Right. Um, but in a weird way, you have to let your guard down to progress, and I think that's what I did.

[11:46] Shubham Goell: But it's like I was always focused. So there was a level of focus, but I also let my guard down.

[11:51] Shubham Goell: Um, but I was focused, if that makes sense.

[11:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: That makes a lot of sense.

[11:54] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

[11:55] Shubham Goell: Oh, thank you guys.

[11:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, yeah.

[11:56] Shubham Goell: It's just that focus level.

[11:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, cool.

[11:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: And, uh, the last question we have is from Kayla Bentley.

[12:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, what was the audition process like? Did you, oh yeah.

[12:05] Shubham Goell: Do you have any advice for people that want to audition?

[12:09] Shubham Goell: We got a lot of people writing in that want to be on The Circle. Do you have any advice for them?

[12:13] Shubham Goell: Yeah, like Angelica.

[12:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: No.

[12:15] Shubham Goell: Yeah, no, no.

[12:16] Shubham Goell: I think for sure.

[12:18] Shubham Goell: I would say just be yourself in the auditions and like, um, you know, answer that when casting talks to you about questions or opinions, just say the answer you genuinely believe in, not the one they want to hear.

[12:30] Shubham Goell: And I also think, um, you know, it's kind of like we're all different people.

[12:34] Shubham Goell: So another thing is look at all the cast members who have been casted before and see the elements of your true self that are different from other people, and then showcase that. I think that's an important thing also.

[12:45] Shubham Goell: It's what, what do you bring new to it?

[12:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's true.

[12:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love that.

[12:49] Shubham Goell: Yeah, thanks.

[12:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: I have one more question.

[12:52] Shubham Goell: Go for it.

[12:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: All right. So you were the first season.

[12:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: Did they like explain the game in details to you beforehand, or was it really trial and error as you were playing?

[13:03] Shubham Goell: No, no, so it was trial and error.

[13:05] Shubham Goell: We were learning it as we were playing it.

[13:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wow.

[13:07] Shubham Goell: Yeah, that's amazing.

[13:08] Shubham Goell: But for me, like I saw clips of The Circle of UK before.

[13:11] Shubham Goell: So I kind of knew, I knew, I knew the premise and stuff.

[13:14] Shubham Goell: Some of it, yeah.

[13:16] Shubham Goell: But like a lot of it, I was learning on the spot, and there were a lot of twists and stuff, so that's what made it fun, also, in a sense.

[13:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I liked all the twists that they had in this, uh, season.

[13:25] Tommy Bracco: It was really cool.

[13:27] Shubham Goell: Yeah, man.

[13:27] Shubham Goell: The season was so legendary with those twists.

[13:31] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, they did great.

[13:32] Tommy Bracco: I can't wait to, you know, I can't wait to see what happens with everyone's lives as they move on.

[13:37] Tommy Bracco: I watched like a little, uh, where are they now video?

[13:40] Tommy Bracco: It was very cute.

[13:41] Tommy Bracco: Um, but we love you so much.

[13:44] Tommy Bracco: We thank you for giving us your time.

[13:46] Tommy Bracco: You're on the way to the rap party with the cast to celebrate with your family.

[13:50] Tommy Bracco: Um, but we really thank you for giving us some time and talking to us.

[13:55] Tommy Bracco: And I just want to say if you're ever in New York, please hook us up.

[13:58] Shubham Goell: Yeah.

[13:59] Shubham Goell: You would definitely come over.

[14:00] Shubham Goell: My wife will go.

[14:01] Shubham Goell: I watch you guys all the time on like Tommy's TikToks and Instagram, so I feel like you guys are second family.

[14:06] Tommy Bracco: I would love that.

[14:07] Tommy Bracco: That would be so funny.

[14:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: We love you, Shuby.

[14:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: You are everybody in this room's favorite.

[14:12] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, we are one for sure.

[14:13] Tommy Bracco: We send you TikToks to each other like ourselves all the time.

[14:17] Shubham Goell: I watched your weather, I watched your Weatherman one this morning.

[14:20] Shubham Goell: So good.

[14:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, thank you guys.

[14:23] Shubham Goell: No, I got so much love for you guys.

[14:25] Shubham Goell: Yeah, that'll be sick.

[14:26] Shubham Goell: That'll be amazing.

[14:27] Phil Bracco: Thanks, Shubi, for coming on.

[14:28] Phil Bracco: We appreciate it.

[14:30] Shubham Goell: Yeah, thank you guys so much for inviting me.

[14:31] Shubham Goell: I really appreciate it.

[14:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: Bye, Shuby.

[14:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: We love you.

[14:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: Have a good night.

[14:34] Shubham Goell: Bye.

[14:34] Shubham Goell: Much love.

[14:37] Tommy Bracco: Amazing.

[14:38] Tommy Bracco: He's so great.

[14:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: That was a lot of success.

[14:40] Phil Bracco: Oh my god.

[14:40] Phil Bracco: I'm so, he's so pure.

[14:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: We just love him.

[14:44] Phil Bracco: It was a little starstruck, I'm not gonna lie.

[14:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: Are you?

[14:47] Phil Bracco: Yes!

[14:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: Really?

[14:48] Phil Bracco: Yeah, no, I really was.

[14:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: Honestly, me too.

[14:53] Phil Bracco: He's so great.

[14:55] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[14:55] Phil Bracco: He's amazing.

[14:56] Phil Bracco: He's just such a good person.

[14:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: You could tell he loves the game and he respects the game so much.

[15:02] Tommy Bracco: Now we get to dive in and dissect the episode.

[15:05] Tommy Bracco: What did you guys think of the finale?

[15:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: Were you happy with who?

[15:07] Tommy Bracco: Oh my god, we didn't talk about the finale.

[15:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: I was so happy.

[15:10] Tommy Bracco: Who, uh, oh, who was right about who won?

[15:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Who guessed Trevor?

[15:14] Tommy Bracco: Me.

[15:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: Did you?

[15:15] Tommy Bracco: Yep, it's on Tommy's.

[15:17] Tommy Bracco: Yep, it's the story.

[15:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I could have sworn you said, uh, River.

[15:22] Tommy Bracco: No, he just made up the first name that came to his.

[15:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't think you've ever spoken about River's game ever with the river.

[15:29] Tommy Bracco: No, never.

[15:30] Tommy Bracco: I don't even think I've ever said the name River.

[15:32] Phil Bracco: River.

[15:32] Phil Bracco: Somebody in the room's gonna be.

[15:33] Tommy Bracco: No, that's my unborn son.

[15:34] Phil Bracco: Somebody in the room is, somebody in the room did say River.

[15:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I thought it was River.

[15:39] Tommy Bracco: Oh yeah.

[15:40] Tommy Bracco: Okay, I wasn't sure.

[15:41] Tommy Bracco: I said Trevor.

[15:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay.

[15:42] Phil Bracco: Right.

[15:42] Phil Bracco: Uh, and I had Khloe, so I was, I was right there with you.

[15:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, no, it doesn't.

[15:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, if you were right there with me, you would have also said Trevor.

[15:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: You're not right there with me when you're wrong.

[15:52] Phil Bracco: Well, and I'm right.

[15:53] Phil Bracco: Who would have final two?

[15:54] Phil Bracco: Who was the winner?

[15:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right.

[15:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, they exactly.

[15:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: Winner, second, doesn't matter.

[16:00] Phil Bracco: Okay, we'll see how, uh, American Idol actually works out.

[16:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, how'd your little top 85 work for American Idol?

[16:09] Phil Bracco: Um, I had one person wrong in the top seven.

[16:12] Phil Bracco: And I think they made a mistake.

[16:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I do too.

[16:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: I watched the girl, I watched this episode with him.

[16:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Now I'm getting into it.

[16:18] Phil Bracco: But that's why I don't watch it because they literally send the best people home on purpose when he stands the nitty-gritty.

[16:25] Phil Bracco: After the top ten, they start sending all the good people home.

[16:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, this is great.

[16:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: We're getting to talk about the American Idol.

[16:30] Phil Bracco: No, no, no.

[16:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love it.

[16:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, we're getting, we're going back to The Circle.

[16:35] Tommy Bracco: We're getting distracted.

[16:37] Tommy Bracco: The Circle was such a big deal.

[16:38] Tommy Bracco: I really love it.

[16:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Who was your favorite player?

[16:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Was there no favorite player?

[16:42] Phil Bracco: They're announcing favorite player on tomorrow, Friday.

[16:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wow.

[16:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, so I know we forgot to ask Shubi who he thinks, but he wouldn't have wanted to say.

[16:51] Phil Bracco: He's, you know, he's so good.

[16:52] Phil Bracco: He's not gonna want to pick somebody.

[16:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: I think I'm gonna do it.

[16:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: I feel like Tommy said like three mid weird things to him, did he not?

[16:58] Phil Bracco: So many weird things.

[16:59] Phil Bracco: No, he's a rare, so many weird things.

[17:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, you know what it was.

[17:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: First off, he wasn't on his way to a rap party with his family.

[17:07] Phil Bracco: Like what I said, well, his family, like his, the Circle family, I meant.

[17:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, well, like I didn't get that.

[17:13] Phil Bracco: No, because they're, no, like reality shows, they call them families.

[17:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Then when he was like, you're a Big Brother fan, right?

[17:21] Phil Bracco: And you're standing instead of the phone.

[17:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, what?

[17:25] Phil Bracco: He said at the phone like that.

[17:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: Shooby, if you're listening to this episode, I'm sorry.

[17:30] Phil Bracco: No, because he and I have spoken.

[17:31] Phil Bracco: I messaged him, of course.

[17:33] Phil Bracco: I was like, Shooby, when The Circle finished, I was like, you were amazing.

[17:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right, but like, why do you think that's the one?

[17:39] Phil Bracco: I'm a fan of Big Brother, right?

[17:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right, right?

[17:40] Phil Bracco: So why'd you need to like reconfirm and like that?

[17:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because I wanted to make sure that was like over, there was like two years ago that we had that talk.

[17:46] Phil Bracco: So I was like, let me make sure I'm remembering this right.

[17:49] Phil Bracco: You're a Big Brother fan, right?

[17:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: I said so many weird things.

[17:54] Phil Bracco: You know why though?

[17:55] Phil Bracco: Because I was so nervous and distracted.

[17:57] Phil Bracco: We were having major technical difficulties right before we was actually when we were supposed to call them.

[18:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[18:03] Phil Bracco: So listen, the next time we're having a guest, an hour before, you have to get the, make sure the phone was in.

[18:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, you were playing the softball game until 10 minutes ago.

[18:12] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[18:12] Phil Bracco: We just finished work.

[18:15] Phil Bracco: And you were hanging out when I came home.

[18:16] Phil Bracco: John came out.

[18:18] Phil Bracco: John said for 45 minutes he was telling me to make sure it works.

[18:21] Phil Bracco: I went in here and I was doing it, and then I was writing the questions down.

[18:24] Phil Bracco: I did home.

[18:25] Phil Bracco: Did so much to make sure it was working like 45 minutes prior to the show.

[18:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: I went in and I tried.

[18:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: I did everything I could.

[18:31] Phil Bracco: I spent all the money, uh, on all this equipment I spent on the, for the fourth microphone to do.

[18:37] Phil Bracco: You spent all this money.

[18:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, no.

[18:39] Phil Bracco: Yeah, he was insane.

[18:40] Phil Bracco: No, no, no, no.

[18:41] Phil Bracco: To get the four thing to do guest with the phone calls.

[18:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: That wasn't.

[18:45] Phil Bracco: How much money could it have been?

[18:47] Phil Bracco: It cost me about $250.

[18:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, I spent 10,000.

[18:51] Phil Bracco: Yeah, like we said.

[18:53] Phil Bracco: No, I'm not comparing to you.

[18:54] Phil Bracco: I didn't say that.

[18:56] Phil Bracco: All this money.

[18:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: When I hear all this money, I think I've at minimum 500.

[19:00] Phil Bracco: Right.

[19:01] Phil Bracco: Like all this money.

[19:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Anyway, let's move on.

[19:05] Phil Bracco: Yes, no one wants to hear about our technical difficulties.

[19:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, but we're working on them.

[19:09] Phil Bracco: Yes.

[19:09] Phil Bracco: Anyway, so The Circle, the finale, I loved it.

[19:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love that Trevor won.

[19:14] Phil Bracco: I thought that Delisa played the best game.

[19:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm very happy with the winner.

[19:19] Phil Bracco: I'm very happy with the winner.

[19:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm very content with it.

[19:21] Phil Bracco: I liked that Chloe came in second.

[19:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: I wish that Courtney came in second.

[19:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: He was my favorite.

[19:26] Phil Bracco: Wow, no, I'm very happy.

[19:28] Phil Bracco: That Trevor won.

[19:29] Phil Bracco: Chloe came in second.

[19:30] Phil Bracco: And I wish funny that that Courtney is so polarizing.

[19:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: People either love him or hate him.

[19:36] Phil Bracco: I know that's not true.

[19:38] Phil Bracco: He wasn't very in the middle, but I didn't want him to be.

[19:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: I would have rather have River.

[19:42] Phil Bracco: Even Shubi pointed him out.

[19:44] Phil Bracco: Oh my god.

[19:44] Phil Bracco: The way that he played, he was so strategic.

[19:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: I loved that.

[19:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: He was so good.

[19:49] Phil Bracco: Not only was he strategic, but he was super funny.

[19:52] Phil Bracco: He was hilarious.

[19:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: Everyone knew he was the Joker, so like how, like smart strategic were you?

[19:58] Phil Bracco: Well, they only knew he was the Joker because eventually him and River just got really close and it was so obvious.

[20:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: You know, but so there were a lot of funny things in that, uh, there when, uh, Trevor, Delisha went over to Chloe and said, oh, well, there's always room for one more.

[20:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: That was really funny.

[20:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: It was really funny.

[20:23] Phil Bracco: Um, I loved watching them meet.

[20:25] Phil Bracco: I thought that was awesome.

[20:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[20:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, they didn't, I mean, Chloe was a great finale, hysterical to me.

[20:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: I think she's so funny because she's like, I could have sworn there was no catfishes here and there were four out of six were catfish.

[20:37] Phil Bracco: Well, that was what was so crazy about this season versus last one.

[20:37] Phil Bracco: This season had so many more.

[20:37] Phil Bracco: The only two people that weren't catfishers that were in the finale were Chloe and Courtney.

[20:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's it.

[20:49] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[20:49] Phil Bracco: But everybody else was a catfish.

[20:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: Whereas last year we had one person that was a catfish.

[20:54] Phil Bracco: Yeah, and the catfighting was still going on with Savannah.

[20:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Catfighting, he called it.

[21:04] Phil Bracco: I'm dead.

[21:04] Phil Bracco: Cat Savannah and Terrellisha.

[21:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[21:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Sure, whatever.

[21:05] Phil Bracco: That was still going on. And you saw the other thing that was with the I don't know how they did that, where they looked like they were in the same room by separated by a plexiglass or something, and they were talking to each other, and every time she would say this and he and she was like, always likes to talk in code.

[21:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like I never I feel like I always have to dissect, like you know we say with Victoria, speak Victorianese.

[21:27] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[21:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: I feel like Phillanese is another language that you have to know how to speak.

[21:31] Phil Bracco: Do you know that he's referring to a video that's not a little bit more when we were on the phone with Shubi, just constantly talking to Joey?

[21:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: It was so distracting.

[21:37] Phil Bracco: Oh, I hate when he does that.

[21:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, he was literally asking Joey like 85 times, like, is it okay?

[21:43] Phil Bracco: No, because from where I'm looking at, Shubi was big like this all the way through, and everybody wasn't showing up on the things.

[21:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I was so annoying. Anyway, it's fine. Anyway, um also I need to say I wouldn't trust me with this because I don't know what I'm looking at.

[21:59] Phil Bracco: You're doing good, Joey. Don't worry.

[22:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Joey, you're not sure. You're doing amazing, Joey.

[22:05] Phil Bracco: Um anyway, so what else do we need to? I mean, uh John was writing something to me, but I don't understand it.

[22:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um about Courtney's power. Courtney got an inside the circle power.

[22:14] Phil Bracco: I think that it was weird that they randomly gave him that power. There was like no reason why he got that. He didn't do anything to get it. They were just like, oh no, the girl who got a big DCU, so now you get to be inside the circle.

[22:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, they asked her who do you think should win? And that's why he got the power.

[22:29] Phil Bracco: Yeah, well, what does that mean? But that okay, so that's I know you said you wanted me to cut this out, but I feel like that actually brings me to my point, John. Um and I battle with myself because I'm like, am I just trying to make the show big brother or and not or am I just not appreciating the circle for what it is?

[22:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, I think that things like that are weird about the circle. Like, it shots. We begin to earn the power. We want competition.

[22:56] Phil Bracco: Well, or like they're not. Because it's a competition show. I still think it's weird that there is no incentive of being a catfish. I think it's crazy that Trevor didn't win any extra or any of the like she was a catfish.

[23:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: How do you compare the two? I just I don't get it. I don't like I love the circle so much, but I wish there was that extra layer of competition for the competition show that it is.

[23:25] Phil Bracco: I know, but then am I but then I think to myself, am I just trying to make the show Big Brother? So you know like in Big Brother, this is something else.

[23:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: You're when you're on the block, or if you would compare it to the circle, the like least rated players, maybe those people, like, is there a competition to make them s give them the opportunity to save themselves?

[23:47] Phil Bracco: No.

[23:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: No. That's that's just big brother.

[23:49] Phil Bracco: Yeah, just big brother.

[23:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[23:51] Phil Bracco: I think that's I think that what Shooby said was a great answer for why they're just making it. Why they're being catfishes. I think you explained it perfectly.

[23:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: Why? Yeah. It's just for fun. That it's the role of being someone else and and fooling these other people, as well as getting the opportunity to socially be someone else who you're like that's what also, you know, again, it's what they said. They feel like they would succeed better as somebody else in a social setting.

[24:16] Phil Bracco: Which makes sense. The Courtney thing just doesn't make sense to me because that they everyone gets eliminated once a week. They just think one random girl who she thinks she's gonna win, is gonna win, and obviously she chose her best friend. Like, there was no weird.

[24:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: So alright, he wants to bring this back to Big Brother all the time. But I don't want mean to.

[24:33] Phil Bracco: I know, but let me ask you though. In America, you're a big brother fan?

[24:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: America votes, right? Yes or no.

[24:39] Phil Bracco: What? Are you a big brother fan?

[24:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, yeah. I said weird shit to the bigger.

[24:44] Phil Bracco: I'm sorry, Shubi.

[24:46] Shubham Goell: Oh, right.

[24:48] Phil Bracco: You're a big brother fan, right? Right?

[24:52] Shubham Goell: Silence.

[24:54] Phil Bracco: No, but I want to say, like, they have America votes and tells you what to do. Do you really know if America's voting?

[25:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Why is he saying America?

[25:03] Phil Bracco: Not as a joke. Usually that's literally said as a joke. Merica.

[25:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Alright. Do you really believe that America?

[25:16] Phil Bracco: America?

[25:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Votes.

[25:18] Phil Bracco: I mean, so we don't know if that's real. It's the same thing.

[25:23] Shubham Goell: Oh, right. Give John a microphone. There's an extra microphone sitting there. Talk, John.

[25:28] Phil Bracco: He wants to shake his head. No.

[25:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um. Wow, what else about the circle? I just love this.

[25:37] Phil Bracco: You're just ignoring it. What was his question?

[25:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know. I didn't wait. Why didn't I listen to anything he was saying?

[25:43] Phil Bracco: I don't know why he was saying America.

[25:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know anything he was just saying.

[25:47] Phil Bracco: Oh my god, I didn't hear one word. What was I doing that whole time?

[25:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't either. What did he say?

[25:54] Phil Bracco: I didn't hear anything about America. What'd you say?

[25:56] Shubham Goell: All I heard was America, nothing before, nothing after.

[26:01] Phil Bracco: Once again, I feel underappreciated. You don't even pay attention to me.

[26:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: So what else do you did you ask us a question? Did you say stay? Maybe what did you say?

[26:15] Phil Bracco: Well, what I was getting might be referring to is he was saying now you don't know about certain things. Like, how do we know it really happened? He said, even like the voting, right? We don't see the voting, we don't know if it's real.

[26:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: The ranks. Right?

[26:31] Phil Bracco: The rankings. Gotta speak there.

[26:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. He was they were talking about um randomly giving this person a power, right?

[26:39] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[26:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: And I said, and I compared it to Big Brother, and I said, Well, America votes. Do we really know they voted? Or they just giving it to somebody to give them the power.

[26:48] Phil Bracco: Yes, that's fair.

[26:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, yeah. So see, this is something that required a response.

[26:52] Phil Bracco: Right. And you're just ignoring it.

[26:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. Um, yeah, I don't know. I think everything went I not everything. I think a lot of things with Big Brother are bragged. I like to.

[27:04] Phil Bracco: Well, didn't Paul get something like that? Like he couldn't get voted out for like weeks.

[27:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: The friendship bracelets, but anyway, yes. I think that I like to give these shows the benefit of the doubt. Like, until I'm given a reason not to believe that it's real, I'm gonna believe it.

[27:26] Phil Bracco: Moves things the way they want it to go. I'm sure they can influence it a little bit if they want to, but yeah.

[27:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: Anyway, um sorry.

[27:33] Phil Bracco: No, sorry about what? You didn't look like you like my uh my answer, my question.

[27:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: I loved it. It was great. It was perfect.

[27:41] Phil Bracco: I mean, yeah. What did you think of the finale?

[27:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: What did all he's trying to do right now? It's just terrible though. I mean, you actually said there, he I know he spoke, but I have no idea what he said.

[27:52] Phil Bracco: Yeah, because neither and neither of us knew anything to say.

[27:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: So what else? Did you see what I have to put myself through? This is what I go through weekly. And then no one pays attention to be able to do circles. I'm crying.

[28:07] Phil Bracco: Um, alright, cool. Wow, I'm I'm sad. Like, I want another cast, I want another season right now.

[28:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, right now. That says something that that shows that the show is super successful. It's a great season.

[28:18] Phil Bracco: Big brother starts soon.

[28:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know, I can't wait.

[28:22] Phil Bracco: Yep. Mid-June.

[28:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: What are we in? We're in May.

[28:24] Phil Bracco: Ooh. A month and a half.

[28:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Alright, so now we say adios until a month and a half.

[28:29] Phil Bracco: I can't.

[28:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, it's true. Wait, what about We gotta talk about American Idol?

[28:33] Phil Bracco: We got this Final Seven now. You have it on the uh reel on the Instagram.

[28:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: Alright.

[28:39] Phil Bracco: Yeah, maybe we'll do some instructions. You guys came in, you just kicked me off. I was getting text messages. I w I was starting to do it.

[28:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: You went on live like randomly without telling any of us. It's just like a little weird move.

[28:53] Phil Bracco: Oh, because you don't want to talk, but look, even tonight we have a little extra time. We could talk about American Idol, but no.

[28:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: We definitely don't have extra time.

[29:00] Phil Bracco: I can't wait to see who wins uh favorite player. Who do you who does everyone think is gonna win a favorite player?

[29:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, it's gonna be flow uh flowy. It's gonna be Chloe, definitely.

[29:10] Phil Bracco: It's gonna be.

[29:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, a hundred percent.

[29:12] Phil Bracco: Wow. Alright, great. Well, listen, I see you guys see you guys in June, but I definitely want to leave off. We missed like a month and a half. We came back. This is we'll talk about this later. We we have nothing to cover.

[29:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Why? American Idol? We're gonna come on and talk about it for the 10 minutes.

[29:33] Phil Bracco: How about the challenge all the stars?

[29:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: The challenge is No, don't even start with that challenge. By the way, by the way.

[29:39] Phil Bracco: You want to hear actually something about the challenge, some gossip? They went into filming, someone got COVID, and they had to halt production.

[29:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: They paused it.

[29:49] Phil Bracco: Wow. So now everyone's in quarantine for two weeks before they can start filming again.

[29:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: I have my ways. It was all over the internet.

[29:56] Phil Bracco: It's all over the internet.

[30:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: So by the way.

[30:04] Phil Bracco: Anisa in Challenge Overstarce.

[30:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: She won another competition where it was an eviction notice, right?

[30:12] Phil Bracco: She won another one.

[30:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh amazing. Great news.

[30:15] Phil Bracco: I don't I'm that's so good for her. You know what I'm talking about, right?

[30:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, I know.

[30:19] Phil Bracco: Um when they go in when they when they get picked and one of them goes home.

[30:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's been real.

[30:26] Phil Bracco: Now before we go, I just want to give I know we talk about it a lot and I don't want to talk about it too much, but Angelica, you have to apply for the show.

[30:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: I am.

[30:35] Phil Bracco: You really do.

[30:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: I am, I am, I am.

[30:37] Phil Bracco: And that's really the note that I want to leave on because I love the circle so much. I n I need to see you on it.

[30:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: I need to.

[30:44] Phil Bracco: I need to watch that. We have to make that happen. And that would be so much fun because you know Oh my god, you would be perfect.

[30:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: We'll be watching her knowing what she's gonna do next.

[30:55] Phil Bracco: Wow. It would be amazing. You gotta do it, Jelly. You gotta have this experience.

[30:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: I've been to it today.

[31:00] Phil Bracco: I am. Then you could be at the family party with Shubi next year.

[31:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh yeah, the family party that he's on his way to right now.

[31:07] Phil Bracco: Such weird things. He said so many weird things. It's his family.

[31:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: We'll do one surprise episode from now until June.

[31:14] Phil Bracco: Sounds good.

[31:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, we just start again in a roll again. Now you gotta stop production.

[31:18] Phil Bracco: Alright, one, two, three. It's been real.