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[0:00] Tommy Bracco: Hi everyone, it's Tommy.

[0:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Angelica.

[0:03] Phil Bracco: And I'm Phil.

[0:04] Tommy Bracco: And you are listening to Real Tawk.

[0:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: That was the start?

[0:08] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, we changed the start.

[0:10] Phil Bracco: He John hasn't listened in so long.

[0:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: After you're doing sound tests.

[0:14] Phil Bracco: No.

[0:15] Tommy Bracco: That was crazy.

[0:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: Why?

[0:18] Tommy Bracco: Alright, while we have John on the podcast. Listen, I know that you're sharing a mic and it's not ideal, but you can't sit a foot and a half away from the mic.

[0:26] Phil Bracco: It's not comfortable.

[0:27] Tommy Bracco: That's not comfortable to me.

[0:28] Phil Bracco: Oh, okay. Well, we're good.

[0:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: The lack of respect from Uncle Phil. I'm very disappointed.

[0:32] Phil Bracco: I tried.

[0:34] Phil Bracco: I tried. I used number six. It didn't work.

[0:36] Tommy Bracco: John, look at your levels when you talk.

[0:39] John: I don't know which one of my levels.

[0:41] Phil Bracco: On the bottom.

[0:43] John: Yeah, I don't know how to fix that.

[0:44] Phil Bracco: Those are baby levels. You gotta talk a little louder or get it closer to the mic.

[0:48] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I mean it's perfect now.

[0:50] John: It's not my mouth now.

[0:51] Phil Bracco: Now they can hear you.

[0:52] John: Yeah, it's perfect.

[0:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: This is not a the way.

[0:55] Phil Bracco: Oh, this was cute. She just got to lay on you now.

[0:58] Tommy Bracco: Oh anyway, so tell them why you're coming out of retirement.

[1:03] John: Because the trader sucks.

[1:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: Take that back right now.

[1:06] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[1:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: End of the traders of season two sucks.

[1:08] Phil Bracco: You are completely wrong.

[1:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: Completely wrong.

[1:12] Phil Bracco: I felt like Uncle Phil watching it because I never get passionate or angry at that a TV like that.

[1:18] Tommy Bracco: And I genuinely got angry because it was terrible.

[1:21] Phil Bracco: He was pausing it legitimately every 10 seconds.

[1:24] Tommy Bracco: Now mind you, I watched it the night before. So I knew what was gonna happen.

[1:28] Tommy Bracco: And I knew the whole ending with MJ and Trichelle and CC, and he didn't, and he was like, this reunion's horrible.

[1:36] Phil Bracco: This reunion's unbearable.

[1:38] Tommy Bracco: I thought it was insane.

[1:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Reunion.

[1:41] Tommy Bracco: The finale finale.

[1:43] Tommy Bracco: I thought it was insane. We were on the floor. Were we not?

[1:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[1:47] Tommy Bracco: So for a little context, me, Angelica, and my dad watched the finale in live time together. We all like had a viewing party, and we were literally throwing ourselves on the floor with that final vote.

[2:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: It was like a little boring before the final vote.

[2:02] Phil Bracco: The whole thing was the whole thing was was terrible.

[2:05] Tommy Bracco: No, the final vote was insane.

[2:07] Phil Bracco: No, the final vote that lasted one second until they just went back to the regular vote that everyone expected.

[2:12] Tommy Bracco: It was nonsense, but that's not even it. It's more of the game, the traders. They didn't learn from the first go-around.

[2:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, they absolutely did.

[2:21] Phil Bracco: No, they didn't because the ending was so terrible, and I'm trying to remember because this is a week ago now. The passion's not there anymore.

[2:27] Tommy Bracco: Yeah, I got let me just give you something. Are you gonna re-if you recap for me?

[2:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm gonna recap the room.

[2:33] Tommy Bracco: I'm not recaps you on walking. What I want to let you know is what Kate did was very good in the last management.

[2:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: She got everybody to get rid of the fact that Sandra went home as wild.

[2:45] Phil Bracco: I disagree.

[2:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: She said, I completely disagree.

[2:47] Phil Bracco: They knew, so they made so Kate was the Frazier got banished. One trader left, Kate. Right?

[2:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: One trader left.

[2:56] Phil Bracco: They stupidly made Kate murder someone, which lets everyone else know that there's still a traitor left.

[3:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[3:03] Phil Bracco: Which defeats the whole purpose of panic and paranoia.

[3:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: Is there a trader or are we all faithfuls? Was Phaedra the last?

[3:11] Phil Bracco: You're right. That took that completely out of the game.

[3:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: You're right. They knew Kate was a traitor. They were onto it.

[3:16] Phil Bracco: So then Phaedra, um, Sandra was just a vote out because now that's it's an easy banish.

[3:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: They bring a trader to the final, they get one less person out of the pot, and then now it's only between three of them.

[3:29] Phil Bracco: Because they knew there was no even thought of anyone else. They knew Kate was a trader. They weren't even second guessing it. They knew it the whole time.

[3:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: So Sandra was an easy vote out to just get her out during the banish.

[3:40] Phil Bracco: So you don't think that they actually thought she was a traitor?

[3:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, not at all.

[3:44] Phil Bracco: Not at all. Just like they knew that MJ was a faithful.

[3:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: But like you think that they just would have felt bad voting out MJ?

[3:52] Phil Bracco: I mean, uh Sandra? Sandra in the end?

[3:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, it was just easier because they were going to the end with a solidified trader.

[4:00] Phil Bracco: It was just easier to go about the green way.

[4:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: I totally get that.

[4:03] Phil Bracco: So the banishment was like a hands-free way to just get rid of Sandra.

[4:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: Maybe there was some little doubt, but I think speculation and doubt.

[4:11] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[4:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Maybe. Very little because they know it's a numbers game.

[4:14] Phil Bracco: I know that. I get it, but I think Kate did put a little—

[4:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, Kate didn't do shit.

[4:21] Phil Bracco: Kate, she was a little disappointing. She gave she gave up, she waved the white flag when Phaedra got voted out.

[4:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: She gave herself up. She didn't really care.

[4:27] Phil Bracco: She wanted the faithfuls to win. She she wasn't trying to win. I mean, like, she was very barely trying to win.

[4:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: I agree with that.

[4:34] Phil Bracco: And they for CT and Trishelle, I mean, she played it off like she didn't, but CT knew that Kate was a traitor.

[4:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: Trishelle knew Kate was a trader. Sandra, maybe a little bit of doubt, but it's a numbers game at that point.

[4:46] Phil Bracco: They know that they got three traders. They know Kate was a fourth. Is there really gonna be a fifth when they knew that Peter denied like his? Probably not, but it's like, hey, listen, since there's a slight bit of doubt, it's easy to bring Kate with us to the end.

[5:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Vote out Sandra during the banishment. Good. See you later. Now there's only three of us left to vote out Kate, and then we can just get it rid of MJ.

[5:08] Phil Bracco: There was no par the whole point of it is the whole excitement of the show is what happened last season with Suri. That's like the the pinnacle where it's faithfuls, and they don't know if everyone left as a faithful, and then the trader takes it.

[5:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: You take the trader out of the equation, it's not exciting.

[5:24] Phil Bracco: But I gotta tell you, Trishelle really believed that CT might be a little bit more than a lot of people.

[5:28] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's what I was just gonna say, but what about the whole Trishelle CT vote thing?

[5:32] Phil Bracco: That was insane.

[5:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: And I listened to her told me Cherchelle turns around and it said CT. We were losing our mom.

[5:40] Phil Bracco: And he's that's the moment that you're talking about that pinnacle, that's it.

[5:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: I disagree. That's not the pinnacle at all.

[5:45] Phil Bracco: She got teary-eyed, and then she said, Oh, because I listened to her on Dan uh Dan's podcast. And she was like, when when he he she goes, he got teary-eyed, and I said, Oh, I made a mistake.

[5:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: That was yes, that I I agree that the way he acted and their lack of communication made her for a split second think, and that was the one only thank but think about it.

[6:06] Phil Bracco: Thank God she did that. But if MJ would have been even 10 times worse, what if MJ did that? What if MJ would have voted CT instead of Trishelle?

[6:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: CT would have gone home.

[6:15] Phil Bracco: Yeah, it could have been crazy.

[6:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: But I need to tell you what's burns in my mind.

[6:19] Phil Bracco: What's burns in my mind is CT looking at Trishelle and saying, Let's end this for real this time. Like with hurt and devastation and confusion and like trying to talk to her without painting it like black and white for her.

[6:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know. I loved it.

[6:38] Phil Bracco: I do agree that that was the one excitement in the finale. It lasted all of 30 seconds and then it just went the way everyone expected anyway.

[6:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: But it could have backfired. CT could have got voted out a hundred percent.

[6:50] Phil Bracco: But there that there was no like, could you imagine if they didn't know who the trader was? If there was traitors left, think about the like she got slightly paranoid for a second, and that was the excitement.

[7:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's what I'm talking about. The pinnacle. The excitement was Suri being the traitor at the end, and nobody having any idea, but they were paranoid, but yet confident enough to do it.

[7:10] Phil Bracco: That didn't exist. She got it for a split second, and that's what everyone saw.

[7:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: It didn't exist because there weren't two traders left going into the final fire.

[7:19] Phil Bracco: They made murder Cherie, though.

[7:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: Which was there was in season one, they didn't know it.

[7:28] Phil Bracco: There were so many things that happened with people leaving from COVID, and that it like they didn't know how many were left. They really had no idea.

[7:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: And for season two, they pretty much knew there's one left. So when Kate went home, they kind of knew that there wasn't another one left.

[7:45] Phil Bracco: No, no, my whole point is they they guaranteed that there was one left. That's where the mistake starts.

[7:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's a tr it's a trickle-down effect. They made Kate murder Cherie when she was the last one left after Phaedra got voted out.

[8:00] Phil Bracco: 100%, or just go right to a banishment and then the end.

[8:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know.

[8:03] Phil Bracco: Yeah, go to the end. Because that takes that that could be a good thing.

[8:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: But they still it wouldn't have mattered because the last person that they banished was a faithful Sandra, so they still it just sends the whole thing back around, but it's still the same result.

[8:21] Phil Bracco: No, it's not the same result because they don't know if there's a trader murder.

[8:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: But there just because there wasn't a murder with Cherie doesn't mean they like basically what I'm saying is in order for your theory to be correct, they would have to stop murdering people after the last traitor gets banished at a round table.

[8:40] Phil Bracco: That's what I just said.

[8:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, you said one, but you're that could Phaedra got banished. But that could be as far back as three rounds, it depending on how the game goes, and then that would be an issue if there were no murders for four rounds.

[8:52] Phil Bracco: My point is that would they would never allow—

[8:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, no, no, no.

[8:55] Phil Bracco: That's what I'm saying. You hear what I'm saying, though?

[8:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, but I don't know I do hear what you're saying, but I get what you're saying.

[8:58] Phil Bracco: That like they're never gonna allow it to be gave it away.

[9:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: I get what you're saying, that they gave it away. Yes.

[9:04] Phil Bracco: But there is flaw in your pitch also.

[9:10] Phil Bracco: They would never let it go for they recruit. They would never let it go four banishments without a trader.

[9:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: That maybe I'm a misunderstanding.

[9:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: That doesn't make any sense. That would never happen.

[9:17] Phil Bracco: You're not following what I'm saying then. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, so listen, let me try and explain it. Because it is kind of complicated.

[9:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: Alright, so say they didn't murder Cherie, but the last person that was banished was still Sandra.

[9:31] Phil Bracco: That's a faithful.

[9:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: But so that who was murdered before Cherie?

[9:36] Phil Bracco: Uh John.

[9:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. Somebody still had to murder John.

[9:41] Phil Bracco: So there's gotta be a traitor left. If as long as the last person who gets banished is a faithful, then there's still gonna be a traitor left, no matter what.

[9:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: So you have to leave off.

[9:53] Phil Bracco: So in order for your theory to work out, they would have to stop murdering people the last time that they banish a traitor, because then it could possibly have been the last one.

[10:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: You know what I'm saying?

[10:05] Phil Bracco: Yes, I could be able to get it.

[10:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: But that could go far back depending on how the game has more sense, but no, that it it's it's off a traitor banishment.

[10:12] Phil Bracco: That's what I'm saying. There's always gonna be a traitor banished at the end of the game.

[10:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: There's always it's always gonna work out that way.

[10:17] Phil Bracco: Right. They're never gonna set it up to where there's just a bunch of faithfuls.

[10:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's never gonna end up that way.

[10:23] Phil Bracco: There's always gonna be a thought that a traitor still like in the game until one gets banished at the end.

[10:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right.

[10:31] Phil Bracco: Just like Christian did at the end.

[10:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: So then what is your at the end? So then what is your point?

[10:34] Phil Bracco: Because your whole point was that you if you're murdering Cherie, then you know that there's still a traitor left.

[10:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's right.

[10:43] Phil Bracco: So then, but then you just said you think that there will always be a trader standing in the fire at the end.

[10:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: Isn't the whole purpose to trick people from a viewer from a viewer?

[10:50] Phil Bracco: The people in the cap in the house can think what the that's the point for the keep their mind running.

[10:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[10:55] Phil Bracco: Right. So as the viewer, you know that they're always gonna recruit to the point where there has to be a trader going somewhat at the end game.

[11:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Towards the end game, right? So once Phaedra gets banished, and it's it's plug and play. It can't be one fits all, which they can roll over. They have to. That makes sense.

[11:05] Phil Bracco: Once Phaedra gets banished, you cannot have the solo traitor murder someone. Because now you're taking out a whole aspect of the game is to be paranoid and not trust each other. You're now confirming that there is you just banished a trader.

[11:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: That there is a trader left.

[11:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: When there's only four people left, it's a numbers game.

[11:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: That like defeats the purpose of there being any paranoia because you're literally telling them, hey, you just got a trader, you just banished them, but there's still another one.

[11:40] Tommy Bracco: I totally agree.

[11:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: So it, but what I'm saying is then it could go far back though, if like they don't, if they continuously say they murder a traitor, uh two traders right in the beginning, and there's one left, then they met murder, or then they banish all faithfuls until the very end there's still that one trader left.

[12:04] John: They should just stop that murdering then that one trader. Like it, I it's it gets confusing. I feel like we're going in a circle. I get what you're saying, but I feel like that isn't that what's gonna happen?

[12:16] Phil Bracco: No, that doesn't align with how the... I think what should have happened is sure they could have and should have did it your way that you're saying this season, but that's probably not gonna work for any other season.

[12:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Just said it's not a plug and play.

[12:28] John: Yeah, I'm and I'm agreeing and reiterating that it was, you know, there's a lot of I could get on board with that. So obviously, if they batters two traders at the beginning of the game, I then they're gonna recruit someone.

[12:38] Phil Bracco: I hear someone, and the murders are gonna continue to happen. Nobody's thinking that for the rest of the game there's 18 faithfuls. That's obviously.

[12:46] John: I hear you.

[12:47] Phil Bracco: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear you. Um and then Kate threw the thing in the fire.

[12:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: I do agree with that was a mistake. That was. Because if she throws the red one in, she's like, yeah, there's one of you guys are a trader. They still knew it was her.

[12:58] John: Well, Trischelle did.

[13:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Trischelle did, without a doubt, did.

[13:03] Phil Bracco: I agree with you to an extent because I do think that as great, I mean, honestly, that moment where Trishelle voted for CT, that made the finale for me. Like up until that point, that was a whole finale.

[13:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: That was the whole finale. Was that moment. Uh so I'll give you that. And I will also give you I do feel like as incredible as the show is, because it really grew on me.

[13:27] John: Like, I loved this season. As incredible as it is, I think they need some gamer like producers, like game producers to come in and really like step it up as far as the game goes.

[13:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: I feel like the the dramatics are there, the glitz and glam, the like fun of it all, the camp of it all is there. It's a all ingredients for a successful show, but there's something missing in terms of the game still.

[13:54] Phil Bracco: And I do think it got a lot better this season, and I hope that they continue to just improve it. I mean, if you look at like shows that have been around for forever, Big Brother, it season two of Big Brother is very different than what it is today, and it's much better today.

[14:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: 100%.

[14:11] Phil Bracco: So I think that the game will continue to evolve.

[14:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: Season two was a great season.

[14:14] Phil Bracco: No, it wasn't. Without season two, you don't have the rest of it. There were no vetoes. There was no it was very different the game.

[14:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: And the game itself, the structure of the game is way better now.

[14:23] John: I agree.

[14:25] Phil Bracco: They made strides, and I thought the beginning of the season was ten times better than the end of the season.

[14:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: I have to go to the bathroom, talk about the traitors' reunion while I'm gone.

[14:33] Phil Bracco: Do not talk about love is blind.

[14:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay.

[14:35] Phil Bracco: Well, honestly, there's nothing to talk about with the traitors' reunion.

[14:39] John: Oh, yeah.

[14:40] Phil Bracco: I mean, I mean it was so boring.

[14:42] John: Well, first off, I wanted to say Carol Lucille said everyone's a traitor.

[14:46] Phil Bracco: Who what?

[14:47] John: She's one of our listeners.

[14:49] Phil Bracco: So she said what? Everyone's a traitor.

[14:51] John: Well, can you guys talk about the the finale and how everyone is a trader in Capital Letters?

[14:57] Phil Bracco: And so C T knows MJ's not.

[15:01] John: They both knew MJ wasn't a trader and they knew Kate was a trader, which is why it was not exciting.

[15:05] Phil Bracco: But C T was gonna vote her out anyway to share the money with Trochelle.

[15:09] John: Yeah, they didn't care about her.

[15:10] Phil Bracco: Triselle voted because she thought that tr CT might have been a traitor.

[15:16] John: After that, she was like, All right, sorry, MJ.

[15:19] Phil Bracco: But but the fact when they go to the finale. Did you just recap?

[15:22] John: Did you just recap?

[15:23] Phil Bracco: Not really. When I go to the finale, did you see how mad the non gamers were?

[15:29] John: Yeah, because they don't understand how the games work.

[15:31] Phil Bracco: Yes. I I get it.

[15:34] John: Um I mean, I felt bad for Dan.

[15:36] Phil Bracco: Uh now I think Johnny Banan is doing it for I think Bananas did that for TV because he was only on one episode and was just like I'll act, I'll act like I'm mad just so I be on TV.

[15:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: That was honestly hard to watch.

[15:52] Phil Bracco: I thought it was a good thing.

[15:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, he was doing it. He's just weird playing it on a little bit.

[15:56] Phil Bracco: Yeah, so excited you are about the whole Trichelle thing.

[15:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes.

[16:00] Phil Bracco: That's the point. That's what's supposed to be so exciting about the endgame.

[16:03] John: Because it's just about the end to end. And you know if you don't if you're not a hundred percent confident, there's a chance that a Surrey is there and just steals the money from you and you look like a dope.

[16:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes.

[16:13] Phil Bracco: That's the excitement. So she got it for a split second just because she overthought her relationship with CT.

[16:19] John: So imagine if that was much bigger and better, the paranoia like aspect of it. That's what it's supposed to be.

[16:24] Phil Bracco: And that was completely gone.

[16:27] John: And they removed it themselves by allowing Kate, when there was such few m uh people left, to murder when she was the only person left.

[16:35] Phil Bracco: That's the point. It should be much more paranoia, especially after the way season one ended.

[16:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: They all definitely watch season one.

[16:42] John: They all don't want to be another uh Andy and Quentin.

[16:45] Phil Bracco: They don't want to trust someone, be like, yep, let's go.

[16:48] John: Let's split the money in there, like, mm-hmm, sorry, I'm the trader. Take it.

[16:51] Phil Bracco: They nobody wants that. So that's gonna create paranoia right there.

[16:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: One.

[16:56] John: No murder.

[16:57] Phil Bracco: If there's no murder by Kate, that creates even more paranoia because it just makes them second guess throwing the green into the fire and ending the game.

[17:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: That that part of it was all taken out.

[17:07] John: Yeah, yeah.

[17:08] Phil Bracco: They're gonna react to what they saw in season one and it didn't happen.

[17:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: You didn't get it.

[17:11] John: You're right.

[17:11] Phil Bracco: So let me let me ask you a question. Do you think if they go to that last fire and they don't have the murder, that they're they're all gonna be green?

[17:21] John: I think Kate gave herself away, but I think that production confirmed it by allowing her to murder.

[17:27] Phil Bracco: I think there's more paranoia, but unfortunately with Kate being the traitor and her really not playing too much into it, it could s somewhat be the same ending, but I do definitely think there's automatically more paranoia in their head if there's no murder after Phaedra gets banished.

[17:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: But here's the deal.

[17:44] Phil Bracco: I I think you would have the same exact ending because CT was not going to share the money with anybody but Trischelle.

[17:51] John: So he would have voted him out anyway.

[17:54] Phil Bracco: I mean, they they claim no.

[17:56] John: They claim that's not true.

[17:57] Phil Bracco: I I they can say what they want.

[17:58] John: Yeah, exactly.

[17:59] Phil Bracco: Because CT knows m MJ's not a traitor and did it anyway.

[18:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: On the record, like they said that they really thought that she might have been a traitor.

[18:08] John: No, Trichelle did not.

[18:09] Phil Bracco: She said there's no I did not think he did.

[18:12] John: Okay.

[18:13] Phil Bracco: I mean, it's hard to say what they would have done, but I do think it's a f it's a fact that it creates more paranoia when there's no murder.

[18:20] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[18:20] Phil Bracco: After banishing a third or fourth faithful, whatever uh traitor at that point.

[18:25] John: It's automatic paranoia.

[18:26] Phil Bracco: It uh more paranoia than what it was because now you're not like a hundred percent sure.

[18:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: They like literally gave them a clue with that.

[18:33] Phil Bracco: They gave them a clue.

[18:34] John: Like they confer like um They confirmed that confirms that there's something else out there.

[18:41] Phil Bracco: Yeah, without a doubt.

[18:42] John: I mean, MJ goes uh You know what else Cherie got uh got killed, Share.

[18:47] Phil Bracco: Oh yeah, she said it.

[18:48] John: She said the obvious statement.

[18:50] Phil Bracco: Obviously, there's a trade.

[18:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: I really do think that next moving forward, I hope that casting finds I'm sure that first of all, because this season was so big, I think next year we're gonna see some huge names, like I think we're gonna get like Gypsy Rose.

[19:07] Phil Bracco: Like, I don't think it's gonna be just reality people.

[19:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: I think it's gonna be like a dancing with the stars situation.

[19:13] Phil Bracco: But I really hope that whoever they bring on wants to play the game and doesn't want to just be on a fun show.

[19:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: Cause when you have those kind of people playing this game, it ruins the game, unfortunately.

[19:27] Phil Bracco: Well, that's when you have like the MJ's, the Cheries, like, you know, it kind of ruined the game.

[19:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: It kind of was trying to figure it out.

[19:34] Phil Bracco: MJ was trying to play, but she was just bad at them.

[19:37] John: Posse of floaters, like that don't really care about winning, and like they get back.

[19:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: The reality there's the few exceptions of the Bravo labs that are outstanding, like Phaedra, like Kate.

[19:52] Phil Bracco: But then the rest sort of just fall in the float, quote unquote floater category.

[19:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[19:57] Phil Bracco: And then you have all of the gamers actually playing the game.

[20:01] John: Yep.

[20:02] Phil Bracco: Maybe less worry about the cast on their end and more worry about who's running, like who's deciding things at Peacock or Traders, whoever's running the show, because the fact that they set it up that way is stupid.

[20:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because this is a game where I told you, I I the passion's coming back.

[20:18] Phil Bracco: Good.

[20:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: This is a game where it's not necessarily rigging, but they can they can go different directions.

[20:25] Phil Bracco: I guess sort of how like the circle is.

[20:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I think.

[20:28] Phil Bracco: They go different directions the circle back in the day, depending on who got voted off.

[20:33] John: Right.

[20:33] Phil Bracco: Uh about who comes in.

[20:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right.

[20:35] Phil Bracco: I think I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.

[20:36] John: I hear that.

[20:36] Phil Bracco: Yeah, so keep it interesting.

[20:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: So I think this is the type of game where they can see how things play out because they're not rigging the game, but they can decide what like you could see when Kate got the traitor.

[20:48] Phil Bracco: Because Peter denied his request.

[20:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, they made it.

[20:51] Phil Bracco: And they made her actually take it.

[20:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: They have different routes and options that they can take.

[20:56] Phil Bracco: Sure, and they might have fell short on this last thing that happened at the very end.

[21:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: But it's not a big deal.

[21:02] Phil Bracco: We ha also the game has improved a lot since season one.

[21:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: There were a lot of things that they implemented.

[21:07] Phil Bracco: They couldn't win back all the money, which we said was stupid.

[21:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[21:12] Phil Bracco: They have access to the shields during every mission.

[21:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: What should be the point of the missions?

[21:17] Phil Bracco: Which we said was stupid.

[21:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like they fixed a lot of things in this game.

[21:22] Phil Bracco: I'm sorry. They have to up that prize pot because this is the biggest show in America, and they're competing for $250,000.

[21:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm sorry.

[21:31] Phil Bracco: And then they don't even get that.

[21:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Honestly, I like how much the celebrities were getting paid.

[21:38] Phil Bracco: Like, I don't know.

[21:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: I just feel there's no incentive for them.

[21:42] Phil Bracco: They don't want to win.

[21:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: They don't care.

[21:43] Phil Bracco: They're getting paid almost the same amount that the prize potential.

[21:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: They should get paid what they were getting paid.

[21:50] Phil Bracco: But the prize should be a million.

[21:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: Easily.

[21:53] Phil Bracco: I'm just gonna say one more thing here.

[21:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love Triselle.

[21:57] Phil Bracco: I started now researching her.

[21:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: Uh and looking back, she's on Fear Factor.

[22:02] Phil Bracco: She won that.

[22:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Uh she she was she used to date Mike the Miz, who was uh originally right, was on the challenge.

[22:09] Phil Bracco: I mean, she's real good TV.

[22:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's really good TV.

[22:14] Phil Bracco: When you were when you were gone and in the bathroom, he let out a recap.

[22:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: He just had he had to do it.

[22:18] Phil Bracco: I did not put out a recap.

[22:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: He recapped the the finale, which we all, which we talked about like 10 times right now.

[22:23] Phil Bracco: Yeah, he had to let it out.

[22:24] John: I did not, but all right.

[22:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um what is he gonna recap next?

[22:29] Phil Bracco: No, are we are we go are we going with the traders?

[22:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: Should we go to Love is Blind?

[22:33] Phil Bracco: You guys can talk about that.

[22:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: I got nothing to say.

[22:35] Phil Bracco: You watched it last night.

[22:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't think there's anything to say.

[22:39] Phil Bracco: Are you serious? That was insane last night.

[22:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: That was insane.

[22:41] Phil Bracco: We all watched it together again.

[22:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: We watched it last night.

[22:44] Phil Bracco: It came out last night.

[22:45] Anjelica Vispisiano: It was the best.

[22:46] Phil Bracco: The beginning of that reunion was the best reunion of anything ever.

[22:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: Period.

[22:52] Phil Bracco: The way they ripped into Sarah Ann and Slimey ish Jeremy.

[22:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: Laura was amazing.

[22:59] Phil Bracco: Jessica was amazing.

[23:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: First off, her and Chelsea BFFs are crazy.

[23:04] Phil Bracco: Her daughter calls Chelsea and Chelsea.

[23:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: I didn't really understand why Jess was so mad about the Jimmy interviews.

[23:10] Phil Bracco: Like, sure, fine, I get it, but like it wasn't that serious.

[23:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I agree.

[23:13] Phil Bracco: Um did you watch him?

[23:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: Doesn't matter, still love Jess Queen.

[23:16] Phil Bracco: Did you watch the interviews?

[23:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: I I watched it and he was a little smug about it.

[23:20] Phil Bracco: Oh, he was.

[23:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: So it was probably the way he said it too.

[23:24] Phil Bracco: Okay, fair.

[23:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um I felt like the last thing, I forget, but why didn't they add I I'm sure they asked Jimmy and Chelsea if they were together, but they didn't show it on the air.

[23:36] Phil Bracco: Let's try and come up with theories why they we think that was.

[23:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know, but they were cuddling at a concert last night.

[23:42] Phil Bracco: So they are fully together.

[23:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: He was holding her.

[23:44] Phil Bracco: He was holding, they were at a concert, and he's holding her from behind, leaning on her shoulders.

[23:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: What are you talking about?

[23:51] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[23:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: With no other cast. I think they were trying to protect them because I think if they came on the reunion and were like, we're together, I think that it would have been like a ooh, that's a really bad situation. So I think that they spared them. They said, We're saying out of this one, you two are clearly toxic. If you want to be together publicly, you do it on your own. I'm surprised they wanted to stay clear. I'm surprised they didn't address Jeremy's ex-girlfriend coming out and saying he was abusive.

[24:24] John: Because that was a big TikTok thing.

[24:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yep.

[24:28] John: He pointed a gun at her.

[24:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: He punted it. It was a legal matter, so I don't think they would talk about that.

[24:32] Phil Bracco: Right.

[24:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, probably. It's domestic violence. I love that, like they brought in all the allegations and Oh my god, Trevor.

[24:39] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[24:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. He didn't. That was crazy.

[24:45] Phil Bracco: What to say.

[24:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: No. They came with that. Five seconds of silence.

[24:51] Phil Bracco: And Nick and Vanessa Lachey both got a lot better.

[24:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: They were great. They were great last night. And you know what? The only thing is him going, all right, Trevor, you want to go? Get out of here.

[25:02] Phil Bracco: Yeah, like I mean, he was feeling himself.

[25:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, like it I felt like jokes on Nick, like Nick was probably thinking in the moment, like, America's gonna love me telling him to get out of here.

[25:12] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[25:13] Anjelica Vispisiano: But meanwhile, like we actually love him. How about Nick was doing then essentially exactly what he was shitting all over Trevor for?

[25:22] Phil Bracco: What?

[25:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like he was Nick was really which listen. I took it with a grain of salt because Nick was like, if you have any ill intent, do not audition for this show.

[25:36] Phil Bracco: Like, this is not the show for you. Love is Blind, aside from like The Bachelor, is the most influencing influencer producing show, would you say?

[25:49] John: Okay, yeah, I would agree.

[25:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, that has to take get taken into consideration. Somebody who is doesn't want to be in front of the public eye and is looking for love is not gonna go in love is on Love is Blind.

[26:02] Phil Bracco: Yeah, that's true. Only people who are okay with both with wanting and finding love and are okay with possibly having a huge following after the show.

[26:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. It's what comes with the territory.

[26:12] Phil Bracco: Yeah. So like that's something that has to be considered because I know plenty of people who would not want to be an influencer who would not want to be in the public and therefore would never go on a show like that, knowing that that very much could come with it.

[26:24] John: Yeah, I don't babe. Good point?

[26:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: Great point.

[26:28] Phil Bracco: Yeah. What I think the problem is I I don't think they want people to have I know it for a fact. They don't want I saw I sent it in the group chat the the contract. You cannot be with somebody else.

[26:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: A hundred percent.

[26:39] Phil Bracco: And the fact is he was. A hundred percent. You cannot be dating someone else and going solely for fame. You have to actually be looking for love.

[26:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. But the way Nicholas Shea was going in about the quote unquote ill intent of wanting that, I I feel like a lot of people in this world want to be an influencer, and that's just a added bonus perk.

[26:59] Phil Bracco: But yeah, you can't be in a relationship. That's where he went wrong.

[27:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. I don't think he went wrong with being like, this is gonna be good for my career. That whole aspect, I don't think that that's wrong.

[27:09] John: That is a lot to consider.

[27:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's true, Jell. You're right. Like it it does, it does affect your career.

[27:15] Phil Bracco: You should make a TikTok talking about that because I think people would like to hear that.

[27:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: I think so. But I it where he went wrong was the girlfriend.

[27:22] Phil Bracco: Yeah, well, I think what he meant by ill intent is by someone who isn't open to the experiment and just going on there to get followers.

[27:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's true. That's true.

[27:31] Phil Bracco: No, because he brought up like what is good for your career, like he brought that up.

[27:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Agreed, because what you're saying is all correct, and that's a great point. But what he's saying is people who are going on there with no intention of going through the the process, finding love, getting married, getting engaged, they're just going on there. They'll entertain the process, but they're going on there for their career. And that's where Trevor went wrong.

[27:59] Phil Bracco: But I'm just saying for future people auditioning for the show, I think that is something that you have to heavily consider. Uh the is the aftermath of Love is Blind because it's massive, it's massive. Everyone knows about it.

[28:10] Anjelica Vispisiano: I completely agree with that. And speaking of going on there for the wrong reasons, Sarah Ann.

[28:18] Phil Bracco: Oh, 2008 prom girl.

[28:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: I can't even still answer it. That was wild. The odds, I liked her. I thought she was very mature the way she handled uh he liked her. Uh meanwhile, she is not even she is not cute.

[28:35] Phil Bracco: You thought she was hot.

[28:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, no.

[28:37] Phil Bracco: Oh, you know who he does think is hot? Jessica.

[28:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, Chelsea.

[28:42] Phil Bracco: Chelsea.

[28:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: I said sometimes she's not.

[28:45] Phil Bracco: Sometimes she's not. Was that uh Jessica from the grave?

[28:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Uh my hermit crab Jessica died. Um no, that wasn't Jessica from the grave. Um, me and Debbie do this weird thing where sometimes we just talk like this.

[28:59] Phil Bracco: Wow, that's weird.

[29:01] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, nice. Um, anyway, so um he thinks Chelsea's hot, yes.

[29:08] Phil Bracco: No, he likes Sarah Ann because she was acting sexual in the pods.

[29:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: Definitely look at him, he's just shaking his head. Sarah Ann goes, and you want to call me a pick me? You while her conversations in the pod that they aired were like, how many followers do you have on Instagram? I have blah blah blah and TikTok. Like just like 4,000. It was sick. I hate her.

[29:27] Phil Bracco: All right, so Jeremy came out and ripped Nick Lachey's treatment of Trevor. He said that was you want to repeat that?

[29:38] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, what did you just say?

[29:39] Phil Bracco: I said Jeremy uh came out, uh, he was interviewed, and he ripped Nick Lachey's treatment of Trevor.

[29:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: A lot of D's in there.

[29:49] Phil Bracco: Nick Lachey's treatment of Trevor, right? Because he says, listen, mental health is serious. And I and I thought about that last night when they were zooming in on Trevor's face, like just like contemplating what is going on right now. I was I don't know. It could drive someone to like a dark point and a dark place.

[30:04] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yep.

[30:12] Phil Bracco: And that it was pretty crazy. You have to take accountability 100%. But he wouldn't even I I don't even know if he had a chance to open his mouth before they started reading the screenshots. They didn't let him speak before. It came 25 seconds. He was quiet. He said he came out, he said, I had a whole thing planned to say.

[30:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: This was after the screenshots were shown.

[30:34] Phil Bracco: No, it wasn't.

[30:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yep.

[30:36] Phil Bracco: No, you're wrong. Let recap guy tell you.

[30:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: So what happened is he came out and he sat there and they and they said, uh, you know, we heard you had a girlfriend, and he went. He just went silent. I had a whole thing planned to say, and now it's 25 seconds of silence. It was insane. And then they played the screenshots.

[30:56] Phil Bracco: I'm gonna have to confirm that.

[30:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't believe you guys so hard.

[30:59] Phil Bracco: How could you doubt recap guy?

[31:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Because I just don't recap for it.

[31:05] Phil Bracco: I just don't believe it. Do you know what? I'm I'm confirming it.

[31:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, what was funny last night was they would like give you a little piece of breadcrumb, and then boom, show up with something else.

[31:14] Phil Bracco: It wasn't I thought it was insane. You can't feel bad for him because he had ill intent to go on the show and become famous. Now you publicly have to answer.

[31:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes, and he came unlike Matthew. Matthew didn't come, but he came. I mean, but Matthew, there was no anything proving that he went on for ill intent.

[31:36] Phil Bracco: No, no. That guy went on to get famous and get followers. That's what he went on for. So now you need to answer for that. And I agree. You want to be famous? Now publicly answer to the lies that you had. That's it.

[31:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: She's watching her. I gotta ask you what do you think about A uh A D and A and Clay.

[32:00] Phil Bracco: Oh man. You know.

[32:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: You're watching. I'm just confirming that they're correct or wrong. Put it to the microphone. You were texting her as you were trying to.

[32:12] Phil Bracco: So he just came out. He hasn't had a chance to talk yet. We actually have the text. So let's go ahead and take it.

[32:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh! You both owe me the craziest apology of my life!

[32:23] Phil Bracco: Oh my life!

[32:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh my life! I you know why? Fuck you. Because you do this shit to me all the time. And I don't have the handheld proof like I do with this shit. I don't have the handheld proof normally.

[32:29] Phil Bracco: I don't have the handheld proof normally.

[32:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: So you owe me an apology for the entire six years of our relationship.

[32:40] Phil Bracco: I apologize.

[32:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm wrong. I'm on. I'm gonna say right now I apologize. I mean, Shelly is always right. This is why I'm always right with the fucker.

[32:49] Phil Bracco: I apologize, babe. You're right. I was so wrong. I should have never doubted you and listened to Uncle Phil. I was wrong. I should have never listened to Uncle Phil.

[32:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: The way that he just put that. Right, like twisted it. I said, you know what? You know what I said this morning? I said you always pull the Uno reverse flip. Like he takes whatever situation and somehow fucking smacks that card down on the table. And it's like the Uno reverse flip.

[33:14] Phil Bracco: That's such an accurate.

[33:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[33:19] Phil Bracco: Yeah, he did. I'm gonna say I'm glad you you know played it here. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. I was very confident that it was what Uncle Phil said.

[33:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, no, no. And I was very confident. Don't go to Angel. But normally I don't have the proof. But this I had it right in the back. I was very confident with you. Like I was very confident. Um what a rush. His notes are wrong. My heart's pay uh beating fast.

[33:43] Phil Bracco: You said a lot of F bombs.

[33:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I she cursed me. I blacked out. She cursed me.

[33:48] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I said, motherfucker. He said, fuck you, and you should apologize to bombs.

[33:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I mean, I that was pretty great. I literally blacked out. I wish we were filming this episode.

[34:00] Phil Bracco: Yeah, that would have been good. Um I think she should give him another chance.

[34:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: I really love the both of them so much. A D and Clay's relationship reminds me of pretty much everyone's like toxic young relationship. Like the way that it's like she's with somebody that she's self-awareness fix.

[34:27] Phil Bracco: Yeah, like it's from both ends.

[34:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. Like she's with somebody that she's trying to fix, like that clearly has red flags, but is still a good person, and she just wants to fix him. And it's like, no. At the end of the day, he's still a red flag. He still is he's gonna cheat on whoever he's with, unless he gets some serious, does some serious work.

[34:50] Phil Bracco: I don't believe him.

[34:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love him, but I don't believe him. That's how I'm gonna do it. I mean, he's trying and he's on his journey, and I think that they would I think that they could date, and I think that he you grow with age, you grow with life lessons, and he's actively trying to grow on top of both of those things, and I think that they could do it together. It's growth, doesn't have to be separate.

[35:14] Phil Bracco: Like, I think of how much we've grown. Like, I was 24 years old when I met John, and now I'm 31. Like, how much we spoke about this the other day, like how much we've grown, and we were able to do it together. It doesn't have to be a separate thing. I think he'd be able to be with A D and be actively trying to work on his growth and be capable of not cheating on her. I don't know if he should be getting married right now because that commitment might almost trigger him and push him to that point.

[35:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: But I think if they dated and they continue to work on themselves, I think that they could be really successful as well.

[35:49] Phil Bracco: She doesn't want to do that.

[35:50] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, she doesn't really.

[36:12] Phil Bracco: She would have said yes.

[36:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know she wouldn't have said yes, but she would have it would have made a big difference.

[36:17] Phil Bracco: She would have them, they all looked great.

[36:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Even I gotta admit, even Chelsea looked good for Chelsea.

[36:22] Phil Bracco: No, those flat uh feather shoulders with children.

[36:25] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, no, no, I'm not saying the dress, like just like her face and stuff.

[36:28] Phil Bracco: Yeah, sometimes she looks good.

[36:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, you said she looks hot, and that is crazy.

[36:32] Phil Bracco: I said sometimes she's hot, sometimes she's not.

[36:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: But um, I have a couple more minutes.

[36:37] Phil Bracco: Can you imagine if she knew of a 60-year-old man from Staten Island, New York was saying, sometimes you're hot.

[36:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: Sometimes you're not. How do you think she would feel?

[36:50] Phil Bracco: Because I would feel disgusted.

[36:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: I think she has a good sense of humor.

[36:53] Phil Bracco: She does have a good sense of humor.

[36:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, she's gonna be able to do it.

[36:55] Phil Bracco: On TikTok, what she said yesterday really is so true. Like, oh, I loved what they said to Sarah Ann about the whole entertaining.

[37:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like Vanessa did not let her get away with that one.

[37:06] Phil Bracco: She acts it. She asked her three times because twice she did not answer the question, Sarah.

[37:12] Anjelica Vispisiano: So are you here to entertain?

[37:13] Phil Bracco: Yeah, like so. Then what was that? Were you entertaining?

[37:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: And then they're gonna. Then they go, Well, we're living together. Do you think we're entertaining?

[37:20] Phil Bracco: These are real couples, these are real lives. Do you think that this is for people's entertainment?

[37:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like, oh, it was so good. And then she goes, but we're together. And somebody goes, Well, you're breaking up half the time.

[37:29] Phil Bracco: That was crazy. I was like, whoa.

[37:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: It was one after another. They honestly are actually the perfect couple. I hope they totally stay together.

[37:35] Phil Bracco: Yeah, the two slime balls.

[37:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: He's a walking egg.

[37:40] Phil Bracco: Yeah. So the last thing I have in my notes is.

[37:43] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love AD so much. I'm thinking when she was saying when she goes, say it with your chest.

[37:48] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[37:48] Anjelica Vispisiano: I loved it. There was just it was so cool. This reunion really, I feel like I am loving reality TV in a way that I really have not in a very long time.

[37:59] Phil Bracco: We said this was gonna happen with reality. And even the bachelor this season.

[38:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: We gotta talk about the bachelor.

[38:07] Phil Bracco: I just want to say that Jimmy, when he said it was 10 minutes, well, felt like 10 minutes or something like that.

[38:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, that was crazy. Production comes out and show you.

[38:15] Phil Bracco: I wish they would have got his response.

[38:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: You know what, though? I will say something else we should bring up about Love is Blind.

[38:21] Phil Bracco: I saw a TikTok where they clearly took clay from one scene from later in the scene.

[38:30] Anjelica Vispisiano: The finger when they were sitting outside.

[38:32] Phil Bracco: I saw that. That was crazy.

[38:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I mean, we know they edit the shit out of it. That's literally the purpose of the cups.

[38:37] Phil Bracco: But that was really bad. Why?

[38:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: They literally. The finger, like the fact that they took essentially, they took Clay's reaction.

[38:47] Phil Bracco: No. I want to explain this the right way. They have Clay and A D talking on the beach, and they're sitting across from each other.

[38:56] Anjelica Vispisiano: If you look really closely, there's a thin line. The screen is split and the coloring is off just slightly.

[39:03] Phil Bracco: You have to do it. And then a finger enters from the split.

[39:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: And then, yeah, a finger enters from the split, which means that they are literally taking A D from one conversation, Clay from another moment in that conversation.

[39:15] Phil Bracco: And piecing it together to look like something completely different than what it was.

[39:19] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. The I mean the contracts came out. We saw the contracts, what they said. Like they're able to completely fabricate whatever they want.

[39:27] Phil Bracco: So we really have to take this stuff with a grain of salt. Like, as great as it was, I'm not convinced that some of this stuff is real.

[39:35] Anjelica Vispisiano: But like But I think um I think the final product is. So like it doesn't matter how they get there.

[39:40] Phil Bracco: The final product and the end result is always real, I do believe.

[39:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, I hear what you're saying. But does it really matter how we get there? You know what I mean?

[39:50] Phil Bracco: Yeah.

[39:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't think that them showing us the real footage or the edited footage would change.

[39:53] Phil Bracco: Yeah, I hear that.

[40:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: What happened with the relationship?

[40:02] Phil Bracco: Yeah. So whatever. Um entertain me.

[40:06] Anjelica Vispisiano: Alright, so real quick, I know you guys you're not probably watching Survivor, but I hate Banu.

[40:13] Phil Bracco: Nobody's watching it.

[40:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: Hate Banu watching Survivor.

[40:16] Phil Bracco: No, no, I I don't you like Banu?

[40:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know.

[40:18] Phil Bracco: No, Banu sucks, and he's on my my uh fantasy team, and I want him gone.

[40:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: You're doing good this year on this this season.

[40:26] Phil Bracco: So far, yeah. So I got I recruited another guy, Chris. He's ahead of you by one point, but you're uh me, you and Philip, you're uh you're in the lead.

[40:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: Nice.

[40:33] Phil Bracco: Um and Randem, whatever his name is, he he got medically evacuated.

[40:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: Random.

[40:40] Phil Bracco: His name is No, it's Random.

[40:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's like Brandon, but random.

[40:44] Phil Bracco: Oh.

[40:44] Anjelica Vispisiano: Or Randon.

[40:46] Phil Bracco: Randon, yeah.

[40:47] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, Randon.

[40:47] Phil Bracco: Yeah, he got medical evacuated, which saved Banu or Kel Kelsey?

[40:53] Anjelica Vispisiano: Kenzie.

[40:53] Phil Bracco: Kenzie, who I have is the winner.

[40:55] Anjelica Vispisiano: No.

[40:55] Phil Bracco: I have Kenzie in my final six.

[40:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[41:00] Phil Bracco: Every name is wrong. Kenzie has to say the most.

[41:03] Anjelica Vispisiano: Kenzie is in my final six, so I I'm glad. I haven't lost anybody.

[41:06] Phil Bracco: Phil lost three in a row.

[41:08] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wow.

[41:09] Phil Bracco: Um, did you guys watch Amazing Race?

[41:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wait. He had um he had uh Camden or whatever his name is Randon.

[41:18] Phil Bracco: He's a machine, he's a podcasting machine.

[41:22] Anjelica Vispisiano: Random Kelsey, you guys watch Amazing Race?

[41:26] Phil Bracco: Alright, let's go to Bachelor.

[41:27] Anjelica Vispisiano: I know two at one time. His Survival And now we're on Bachelor.

[41:31] Phil Bracco: And not a bachelorette, because I love the season of the Bachelor.

[41:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, and Kelsey won my heart. Kelsey won my heart.

[41:39] Phil Bracco: Um I really hope Maria's bachelorette.

[41:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't think it's gonna be Maria. I think it's gonna be Daisy.

[41:45] Phil Bracco: I think that Kelsey wins, and I think that Kelsey now has my love.

[41:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, I'm looking forward to the finale and the woman's hell.

[41:55] Phil Bracco: Oh, the woman's hell is gonna be so because Maria, they're still after Maria.

[41:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's like insane. Like grow up the fact that Sydney's getting any airtime can make me physically ill, but I'll do it.

[42:06] Phil Bracco: I mean, whatever.

[42:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, it wasn't really um exciting. I was watching it, I was doing something like that.

[42:12] Phil Bracco: But do you see Joey when he's with Kelsey?

[42:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: You know, yeah, he definitely is into her, without a doubt.

[42:20] Phil Bracco: Wait, how about Rachel with the jaw?

[42:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: But do you know supposedly that really?

[42:26] Phil Bracco: No, do you know, suppose I was just gonna say, do you know, supposedly, if you hit the water a certain way from like a certain height, it literally feels like you're smacking your face on concrete.

[42:34] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[42:35] Phil Bracco: So yeah, but I mean, that had to suck.

[42:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: That had to just be so awkward and so.

[42:42] Phil Bracco: I did that once, by the way. Uh in Action Park, I jumped off the big cliff and I hit wrong, and my shoulder went dead.

[42:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: And I had to swim one arm to get out of the water.

[42:52] Phil Bracco: Oh my god.

[42:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Like limping, but your arms one arm.

[42:57] Phil Bracco: You heard that?

[42:58] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, I missed it. Sorry, what?

[43:00] Phil Bracco: Um, Uncle Phil uh his arm died when he was swimming once, so he had to swim with one arm, like almost like jump off a cliff, and when I hit the water, wow, it hurt that bad.

[43:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah. And he had to swim with one arm was like Randon.

[43:14] Phil Bracco: Yeah. Right. That that bull got.

[43:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh shit. He slept on it.

[43:18] Phil Bracco: And and one of the scenes that was deleted.

[43:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh my god, those are the ugliest nipples I've ever seen in my whole entire life.

[43:23] Phil Bracco: Oh my god, oh my god.

[43:26] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh my god. What's wrong with him?

[43:28] Phil Bracco: Oh my god. What are those nipples?

[43:32] Anjelica Vispisiano: They look weird.

[43:34] Phil Bracco: They look like eyeballs.

[43:36] Anjelica Vispisiano: That's crazy. Twitter's a nuts place.

[43:40] Phil Bracco: Twitter is really a weird.

[43:41] Anjelica Vispisiano: You know, I feel like Twitter. What do you think of uh the band in TikTok?

[43:47] Phil Bracco: You really want to talk about government issues right now?

[43:51] Anjelica Vispisiano: I'm not happy about it.

[43:52] Phil Bracco: I'd like real talk.

[43:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: Well, it is real talk. Here we go.

[43:56] Phil Bracco: I get a lot of my information.

[43:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: He just looks at me and says, What do you think about them banning TikTok?

[44:00] Phil Bracco: I think it's a joke.

[44:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: Okay, yeah. I mean, I don't know anything about it.

[44:06] Phil Bracco: I don't think it's gonna happen.

[44:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: No, no, it's it's been passed.

[44:09] Phil Bracco: I think there's a lot of bigger issues at hand, but of course they're not gonna handle the bigger issues.

[44:15] Anjelica Vispisiano: It's government.

[44:16] Phil Bracco: Yeah, no, it's just it's it's just a joke.

[44:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: They're a joke.

[44:19] Phil Bracco: Is the sheet done? Is this sheet done?

[44:21] Anjelica Vispisiano: My sheet is done.

[44:22] Phil Bracco: He's kind of freaking out. He has a lot of things.

[44:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: I will I actually have one more. Uh I watched the House of Villains.

[44:28] Phil Bracco: Uh you guys probably didn't watch it.

[44:29] Anjelica Vispisiano: Wait, wait, wait. Nobody watched it.

[44:31] Phil Bracco: No, and I can't wait for the perfect match.

[44:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: Number two is coming on.

[44:35] Phil Bracco: Number two is coming out. House of Villains 2 is coming out the house.

[44:37] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I heard it's good, but we gotta watch that perfect match.

[44:39] Phil Bracco: This is the this is what I'm wondering. Wasn't Trevor supposed to be on love on perfect match also?

[44:46] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yes.

[44:46] Phil Bracco: Yes. And did they cut him because they didn't announce him yesterday?

[44:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: I don't know. That was weird.

[44:50] Phil Bracco: I thought that maybe he'll I don't know. I don't know what's going on with that.

[44:54] Anjelica Vispisiano: But what about the pictures of Jessica and Harry from Dance with the Stores?

[44:58] Phil Bracco: I didn't see it.

[44:59] Anjelica Vispisiano: Jessica, love is blind.

[45:01] Phil Bracco: No way.

[45:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: And Harry.

[45:02] Phil Bracco: Oh, that that's a great literally canoodling in the ocean.

[45:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: I gotta show you guys.

[45:08] Phil Bracco: No way.

[45:09] Anjelica Vispisiano: Uh-huh. So she goes on perfect match. I wonder if he goes on too, and then that's how they meet.

[45:15] Phil Bracco: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

[45:17] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, got it, got it. They're a cute freaking match.

[45:22] Phil Bracco: Okay.

[45:24] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh, I love it. Obsessed.

[45:26] Phil Bracco: Um, so I wonder what's gonna happen with Trevor and Perfect Match.

[45:31] Anjelica Vispisiano: Oh my gosh.

[45:33] Phil Bracco: I know. Do you think that they're gonna cut Trevor? Or they wanted to see how this goes?

[45:40] Anjelica Vispisiano: Whatever.

[45:41] Phil Bracco: Trevor. He didn't look good yesterday at all. His hair was short, was just not looking good.

[45:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah.

[45:49] Phil Bracco: He looked speaking of hair. Your hair is looking long.

[45:52] Anjelica Vispisiano: It is getting long. You're growing it out.

[45:55] Phil Bracco: I gotta see. Annabelle wants to cut it now.

[45:57] Anjelica Vispisiano: She wants to shave it because she says that it sticks up like this.

[46:01] Phil Bracco: She was taking pictures the other day, showing people what do you want?

[46:05] Anjelica Vispisiano: I want to grow it and and but you know, go back. Go back.

[46:08] Phil Bracco: Yeah. You know, show it out.

[46:11] Anjelica Vispisiano: So why don't you make a stand? It's your hair.

[46:14] Phil Bracco: I mean, I'm a little confused.

[46:16] Anjelica Vispisiano: Right. This is a little weird.

[46:18] Phil Bracco: Yeah, no, Trevor's officially not on perfect match.

[46:23] Anjelica Vispisiano: So unless they just I mean, if he was on the show. I don't know if it ever had truth to it.

[46:31] Phil Bracco: I don't know. I'm all about the slick back hair for you.

[46:33] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, right. I think it would look good.

[46:35] Phil Bracco: Yeah. You know, I like to put like maybe some baby oil in it.

[46:39] Anjelica Vispisiano: Baby oil. That sounds gross.

[46:41] Phil Bracco: Like the 50s.

[46:42] Anjelica Vispisiano: Whoa, okay. I'm I'm for it. Let's see what it looks like.

[46:45] Phil Bracco: I think you need a change up from the Albert Einstein look.

[46:49] Anjelica Vispisiano: Um, yeah, especially with the headset on and the way it's just sticking up. He looks like a cartoon character.

[46:56] Phil Bracco: Yeah. I I'm I'm with it. Let's let's do it. Let's go for it.

[47:00] Anjelica Vispisiano: Any other shows?

[47:01] Phil Bracco: I think we're done.

[47:02] Anjelica Vispisiano: Don't say that. It'll come out with like bucks.

[47:05] Phil Bracco: No, no more shows.

[47:07] Anjelica Vispisiano: Yeah, I think listen, we got two finales in here. I think that's we got a lot in.

[47:11] Phil Bracco: Yeah, we got so I'm shot. I'm fading.

[47:14] Anjelica Vispisiano: I love you all. Great.

[47:15] Phil Bracco: Alright. One, two, three. It's been real.

[47:18] Anjelica Vispisiano: Thanks for coming back, John.

[47:20] Phil Bracco: Yeah. We love you.

[47:21] John: Disrespecting me.

[47:22] Phil Bracco: Get over it.

[47:25] John: Nope, I didn't even have my own microphone.

[47:30] Phil Bracco: Alright, dad.