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[0:44] Tori Bullard: Alright, let's get into today's episode.

[0:46] Tori Bullard: Today we are joined by Dungeon Master Extraordinaire and friend of the podcast, William Kasper, current cast member and DM for Dungeons and Dragons, The Twenty-Sided Tavern, currently playing at the Sydney Opera House.

[0:58] Tori Bullard: Please welcome to the mic, Will.

[1:01] William Kasper: Hello!

[1:02] William Kasper: That was wow, what an intro.

[1:07] William Kasper: Dungeon Master Extraordinaire.

[1:09] William Kasper: Yeah.

[1:11] William Kasper: If the name fits.

[1:12] William Kasper: What can we say?

[1:13] William Kasper: I mean, it is true.

[1:16] Tori Bullard: What you do on that stage is absolutely insane.

[1:21] William Kasper: It's insane.

[1:22] William Kasper: I remember when auditions came around for that.

[1:24] William Kasper: Well, when the thing came out.

[1:26] William Kasper: I was very much so like, yeah, okay, sure.

[1:29] William Kasper: Like, let's do it.

[1:30] William Kasper: And being in the room for that audition, auditions and callbacks for that show were truly the most insane audition I've ever done.

[1:37] William Kasper: The longest audition I've ever done.

[1:40] William Kasper: Um, I think my self-tape was like seven or eight minutes long.

[1:43] William Kasper: Um, just because of all of the things they needed us to do for them.

[1:48] William Kasper: Um, Eliza, I don't know if you've heard about the self-taping for this show.

[1:55] Eliza Gunther: I actually did it.

[1:56] Eliza Gunther: Yeah.

[1:56] William Kasper: Oh really?

[1:57] William Kasper: No way you did it.

[1:59] Eliza Gunther: No, I actually did it and I was like, okay, come on, I've got this.

[2:02] Eliza Gunther: It's gonna be fine.

[2:03] Eliza Gunther: But I don't think I knew too much about Dungeons and Dragons.

[2:06] Eliza Gunther: And I don't think my characterization was really what they were looking for, which is actually completely fine.

[2:13] William Kasper: Oh, if it helps, pretty much everyone in the cast is a massive D&D nerd.

[2:22] William Kasper: So it seems to help.

[2:27] Eliza Gunther: Yeah.

[2:27] Eliza Gunther: But those rooms were amazing.

[2:29] Eliza Gunther: They were, it was a long, like we were in there for like two hours, three hours each time.

[2:34] William Kasper: Yeah.

[2:35] William Kasper: But it was so much fun.

[2:37] William Kasper: It was amazing.

[2:37] William Kasper: It was so amazing.

[2:38] William Kasper: And Michael, who really led those auditions, the director of the show, he's just, I mean, the most warming presence.

[2:38] William Kasper: He just brought every, the moment we stepped into that audition.

[2:52] William Kasper: You know how in training they're like, oh, you know, if you get the opportunity, go chat to the panel, go shake their hand or something, and then you walk in, you're like, I'm not going near them.

[3:01] William Kasper: I'm not doing that.

[3:02] William Kasper: Absolutely not.

[3:02] William Kasper: I walked in the room, the guy looked at us, and I just went, this is a guy I can shake hands with, and I just went right up and did it.

[3:12] William Kasper: No, they were so wonderful.

[3:13] William Kasper: I don't know what it was like for you, my second round audition, there was a fire in the building that we were meant to have it in.

[3:21] William Kasper: So we ended up above a tiki bar, which was truly the most hilarious setting.

[3:29] William Kasper: We were in this really tiny, itty bitty space just like climbing over each other, being inanimate objects, all while there was just a tiki bar downstairs.

[3:40] Eliza Gunther: You're above it.

[3:41] Eliza Gunther: I had no idea.

[3:41] Eliza Gunther: It was, I don't remember what day, it all flew past, but no, I definitely wasn't above the tiki bar, but that's awesome.

[3:51] William Kasper: Um, I can just imagine someone walking through the wrong door and seeing everyone just on top of each other.

[4:00] William Kasper: Oh, on multiple occasions, people did come upstairs while we were doing it, and we were just like, hello, I am a spoon on the floor.

[4:08] William Kasper: It's okay, just keep walking.

[4:10] William Kasper: That's showbiz.

[4:11] William Kasper: That's on improv.

[4:12] William Kasper: That is showbiz.

[4:14] Tori Bullard: And I mean, for those who have no idea what Dungeons and Dragons, The Twenty-Sided Tavern is, how would you describe it in one sentence?

[4:14] William Kasper: In one sentence.

[4:24] William Kasper: Oh gosh.

[4:25] William Kasper: Um, it's a chaotic long form improv show that uses Dungeons and Dragons as like a lens to tell the story.

[4:38] William Kasper: You know, we use their rules, we use their worlds, we use their mannerisms, but in the end, it's just two and a half hours of chaos.

[4:49] Eliza Gunther: Yeah, absolutely is from experience watching it.

[4:53] Eliza Gunther: It is chaos that has like a pretty clear through line and pretty clear storytelling as well, even though it is chaos and it is almost entirely improv.

[5:07] William Kasper: Yep.

[5:07] William Kasper: It's still really clear.

[5:09] William Kasper: Hey, that's great.

[5:10] William Kasper: Uh, is it?

[5:13] William Kasper: Yeah, yeah.

[5:15] William Kasper: Um, I don't know if it still is a month later.

[5:18] William Kasper: I feel like we've all lost our minds a little bit.

[5:20] William Kasper: Um, I'm really glad that you read it that way.

[5:25] William Kasper: Um, the designers of the show, the writers of the show, are some of the best in the business.

[5:33] William Kasper: They're incredibly intelligent and they directed us very well.

[5:38] William Kasper: And luckily, I'm the one who gets to make sure that we do stay on track.

[5:42] Eliza Gunther: That is so fun.

[5:45] William Kasper: It's great.

[5:45] William Kasper: It's really fun.

[5:48] William Kasper: I mean, because the show, like the show is just so interactive and so heavily improvised.

[5:55] Eliza Gunther: As the dungeon master, how much of what's happening each night is kind of planned, and how much is just rolling with the chaos?

[6:04] William Kasper: Yeah, um, everyone on stage has a bit of a different ratio, I guess, of like unscripted to scripted.

[6:12] William Kasper: So we spend the first 15 or so minutes just talking about the show, meeting the audience, letting them get to know us as actors, talking to them about D&D.

[6:22] William Kasper: A lot of our audience don't play D&D, so there's lots of rules that we, not lots of rules, but we talk them through them.

[6:29] William Kasper: So that's obviously all scripted.

[6:31] William Kasper: And then from that moment on, the three players on stage, they're sort of the three main characters, you know, the Harry, Hermione, and Ron of Harry Potter sort of vibe.

[6:44] William Kasper: They're the three that the story is happening to.

[6:47] William Kasper: I, uh, just about everything they do is improvised.

[6:50] William Kasper: Um, so their character arcs, their dialogue, their wants and needs as characters, their backstories, they all make them up on the fly.

[7:01] William Kasper: That's all improvised.

[7:02] William Kasper: And then there's kind of a skeleton of the show that they're aware of.

[7:06] William Kasper: So they're like, okay, cool.

[7:07] William Kasper: We need to make sure that we get to that side of the stage so that Will can say this thing.

[7:13] William Kasper: Um, and then for me, my show is about, I'd say 40 to 50% is pure improv where I'm doing dialogue with the main characters, where I'm coming in as supporting characters because I play like different 20 different roles.

[7:32] William Kasper: Um, and then another like 40% is scripted, but it changes every night.

[7:39] William Kasper: So the audience gets to vote on where we go, what character is, you know, completing a task, they vote for this whole thing, so it's even more different every night.

[7:50] William Kasper: And I follow a script, but it changes all the time, and then probably about 10% of my show is always the same.

[7:59] William Kasper: Um, is scripted and because we still have tech, we have tech for this show.

[8:05] Eliza Gunther: Yeah, and so much tech.

[8:08] William Kasper: So much tech, and it's sunny, it's beautiful.

[8:12] William Kasper: It's so beautiful.

[8:13] William Kasper: The designers are amazing.

[8:15] William Kasper: The, um, they've been designing for professional D&D shows for ages now for Dimension 20 over in America, which is a massive videoed D&D show.

[8:27] William Kasper: So they designed the incredible tech for us, and yeah, this show is tech, you know.

[8:33] William Kasper: Like I have cue words that I have to say.

[8:38] William Kasper: Well, you know, in an improvised show, I have to give cues.

[8:43] William Kasper: Which is insane.

[8:44] Eliza Gunther: Oh why, you're not sure.

[8:45] William Kasper: But I mean, like the, because I know that in the auditions we were given a rundown of how the tech in this show works for the DM and the Tavern keeper, in that from my memory, I'm really having to dig back.

[8:59] William Kasper: There's kind of like, um, not options.

[9:02] William Kasper: Well, yeah, I guess paths that the players can take, and that impacts then the script that you're showing, correct?

[9:08] William Kasper: Absolutely.

[9:09] William Kasper: Yeah, yeah.

[9:10] William Kasper: So, um, the best, the best example, not to, uh, God.

[9:15] William Kasper: I just keep thinking of people listening to the audio of this and being like, Will, I can't understand.

[9:19] William Kasper: But look, I'm gonna do my best, okay?

[9:22] William Kasper: Um, there's, uh, the second, this sort of the second half of the first act is governed by the audience.

[9:31] William Kasper: They tell us where to go.

[9:33] William Kasper: So we're in this big city called Waterdeep, and it's got all these different like sections and wards, and there's three that the audience can go to that they can vote for.

[9:44] William Kasper: So then out of the three, we go to one of them, and then in that place, the characters can succeed or fail on a roll.

[9:55] William Kasper: If they do that, they go to a different place, depending on what happens, and then after they do all of that mission, they go to a different place, which is, uh, there's two, uh, like shops that the audience can vote for.

[10:08] William Kasper: So there's like 12 different locations just in that 20 minutes of the show alone, and every single location has a different background, a different tech design.

[10:18] William Kasper: It's incredible. Um, what? So just online just like go crazy every night going, okay, which script am I going to next? Like, we have now done more than half our shows. We've officially done 66 shows, and the other night we went down a path that I've never seen before. Whoa. It was honestly kind of scary. Well, we got there. Uh, because I know I've kind of memorized some of the paths now because we've done them enough times, and so I really try to change it and improvise through the dialogue. If I don't have any cue words, I just match whatever the players are doing to keep, you know, what's the audience loving? Like, what are we doing here? So then we got to this new path, and I was like, guys, you ain't getting any improv at all. This is all the script. I don't know what the hell is going on.

[11:12] Eliza Gunther: Oh my god.

[11:13] William Kasper: That would be my partner is a stage manager.

[11:16] Eliza Gunther: Oh god.

[11:17] William Kasper: I um have witnessed many times what that can be like. I can only imagine the level of brain fuckery that this show would be for a stage manager for ASMs for deputy state, like call like I can't be you.

[11:36] William Kasper: Our stage manager team is incredible. Um, they're just brilliant, they're so on to it, and they know more about D&D. One of them had never taught like know anything about D&D, and now she like knows all the rules and she gets really excited, super cute. Um, yeah, no, the amount of times I've been like pulled aside by stage management, and they're like, hey, Will, that was great. Um, you didn't say the Q word, and we needed the Q word because there's about 12 cues that follow, and we still need to do them.

[12:11] Eliza Gunther: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[12:13] William Kasper: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I definitely know where that took place. Let me just figure. Yeah, I definitely know the exact moment that you're talking about. If you could just like put it out to me. If you can just like but tell me exactly what I need to do, please. I'm so sorry. It's absolute chaos, but it's so much fun to watch, and it's so great to have Dungeons and Dragons becoming so much more of a mainstream thing.

[12:36] William Kasper: And also I feel like this is such a gateway drug. Kind of like the jukebox musical. It's a gateway drug into the community. Um, because it gives them a little taste. Like I know that I had a bunch of young people sitting next to me, half of which had played before and were super keen, and half of which uh hadn't and had no idea. But it makes it feel really accessible, and it's, you know, uh for me having played D&D for like over ten years, me going, oh, okay, everything has been like simplified and really cut back, but you still get all of the intention of it. That's really wonderful.

[13:14] William Kasper: Because I did worry about I was like, oh my god, how like obviously I'm excited for this, but how will people that are not like aware of D&D or are not super into it, how will they take it? And getting to actually see it play out. I can see how, yeah, it's super beginner friendly. You wouldn't even have to go in knowing anything about D&D to understand the show and what's happening.

[13:35] William Kasper: Yeah, the writers are brilliant. They um and and so much of our direction was, you know, again, because we're improvising, so much of it was like, hey, if you're gonna talk about this thing, don't talk about the rules for too long. You know, like uh the amount of D&D tables I've sat around where we're all like debating and screaming at each other and like no, that shouldn't work, or that you know, and on stage, um that's kind of the I mean that's half of what the Tavernkeeper doing are incredible. One of the roles on stage Tavern Keeper, uh played by the brilliant Zoe Harlan, um another uh Queensland Conservatorium grad.

[14:12] William Kasper: Um, a lot of what they do is kind of us talking about stuff, and then they just draw the line. They go, this is the rule, this is what's happening, let's move on. And it's their job to key in with the audience. What does the audience want? But how are we sticking to the truth of the game, you know, we don't want it to be too easy. Characters die.

[14:35] Eliza Gunther: Yeah.

[14:36] William Kasper: We've had a show now where I killed all three characters. All the main characters died. The bad guys won. That's just how it ended. Like that was my favorite piece of taking it back to the self-tapes.

[14:51] Eliza Gunther: That was the script that I did.

[14:53] William Kasper: Oh, really?

[14:54] Eliza Gunther: Was the all dying because I was like, this is ridiculous.

[14:57] William Kasper: But I love it. Like I kind of because it's like, and that's and they're dead.

[15:04] William Kasper: We nearly had another one the other night. We were I was this close. They two of them ended dead. One of them had one hit point left. It was yeah.

[15:14] William Kasper: So so all things, all sorts of things can happen, and but we never want to we never want people to feel excluded um from that. So we do we treat it like learning any new game, where it's you kind of talk over the rules at the beginning, you and you bring them up again if you ever need to, but apart from that, you just you sit there and you have fun, it's about what the characters are doing, and everyone gets their D&D experience because at least one of the characters is ridiculously horny.

[15:44] William Kasper: Um, which is kind of the main important thing of D&D. Uh, you know, there's always an orgy.

[15:49] Eliza Gunther: Uh, there's like is there ever a show where you guys don't kiss?

[15:54] William Kasper: Um, there have been a few, actually.

[15:57] Eliza Gunther: Really surprisingly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[15:59] William Kasper: Um, but no, I have I have now made out with most of my cast members.

[16:05] William Kasper: Um sensually, which is the important one. Consensually, well, that's been a great thing, is we did so much intimacy work uh for this show because it's improvised. You know, you can't you can't sit down and go, okay, I'm gonna, you know, touch you here, is that okay? How much pressure is that? Instead, every we did some work in the rehearsal room, and then every show we check in with each other, we tell each other what our, you know, kind of green, yellow, red zones are, things like that.

[16:37] William Kasper: Um, we do some physical check-ins of doing some consent work. Um, and then on stage we have a code word. You know, we have a code word that if we say this word, that that's a no, you know, because that way we don't have to stop the improv. But now, you know, how do I approach that? Of like, oh, okay, well now in the the world of the actors, I know that that's just an that's a no and I'm gonna respect that. And in the world of the character, like how am I gonna treat that no? How am I gonna um kind of react to that? How am I gonna build the scene from there so that it's not, you know, a dead point in this scene.

[17:15] Eliza Gunther: Um, yeah, it's been fascinating.

[17:18] William Kasper: Wow, that is. So much trust.

[17:20] Eliza Gunther: So much trust in this show.

[17:22] William Kasper: Yeah, and that kind of note, what has been the wildest or most unexpected thing that's happened during the God.

[17:30] Eliza Gunther: Oh god.

[17:30] William Kasper: Um just one.

[17:33] Eliza Gunther: Yeah, I was gonna say a great question for you can just pick one.

[17:37] William Kasper: It's not that hard. Look, there's there's kind of a uh yeah, it I mean, it is every show something crazy happens. But um I think the most unexpected thing, um uh one of the things that we do in this show is we give the audience one chance to re-roll one of the characters' dice. You know, the characters are rolling for everything they do, they're succeeding or failing depending on the number they roll. And we give the audience one chance to kind of chime in and go, No, I don't like that that character failed that thing. I want them to have one more try.

[18:13] William Kasper: And it always kind of governs to us what is important to the audience here. You know, what they've got one chance to do this, what thing are they doing? Usually it's to like bring someone back to life, it's to um make someone have their big character arc moment, you know, they had to persuade this character and stuff. Probably the wildest moment for me was uh one of our characters, uh his name's uh it's the one of the trickster's characters is a non-magic person pretending to be a wizard.

[18:46] William Kasper: He's trying to convince everyone that he's this big powerful wizard. For what and the reasons change all the time, um, but uh basically uh wonderful actor Truby. He's just incredible, com like comedic genius, in like incredible improviser. I've learned a lot from him.

[19:03] William Kasper: Um as Wandro, he just made this offhand comment about his wizard's hat. It was just a random he was just like, Oh yes, this hat has been passed down my family for years. And we were gonna move past it, and then one of the audience members called for something which is called an insight check.

[19:14] William Kasper: Which in D&D, if you want to be able to tell if someone's telling the truth, you want to read their emotions, you roll for insight. So this audience member just goes, inside check, and we were like, shit, we need to move past this. Like, this is just a random heckle. Like, and Zoe, our tavern keeper was like, okay, I'll roll for the audience.

[19:36] William Kasper: Oh, I rolled a two. Sorry, guys, it fails, and we go to a continue. And then someone just goes, re-roll! And the whole audience just erupted with re-roll, re-roll. They would just went crazy for it. And so I was losing it behind the bar. I couldn't speak because I was laughing too much.

[19:52] William Kasper: So Zoe just completely took over. Um, Zoe was amazing and has done that for me many times. Um, and so I was just uh basically Zoe got a re-roll, put it on the dice cam so that the audience could see it. I oh, they did like a whole test, it was crazy. Someone rolled like an 18 on this re-roll, like it was so high, it was wild, and it was and then and then it brought us into this beautiful scene where Wontro was like, okay, no, it's not it. I got it from a two dollar store, and like yada yada yada.

[20:25] William Kasper: And it but and there were just so many events that led up to this moment, and and sacrifice you know, Wandra had made sacrifices for this hat because it had been passed down through the family, and then this insight check happened, and and I was just losing it.

[20:39] William Kasper: I was like, that is their most precious resource. They could have saved a character's life, but instead they did an insight check for the audience about an offhand comment from a character. Like it was just that to me is the wildest shit.

[20:53] Eliza Gunther: Oh, that is insane.

[20:55] William Kasper: Our re-roll was to save. Did you have Ethel?

[20:59] Eliza Gunther: No, we had Legs the Rabbit or Dustine the Cowboy.

[21:05] William Kasper: Dusty, but it was not it was the swing, and I can't remember her name.

[21:09] Eliza Gunther: Oh! Did you have Emma or Davy?

[21:11] William Kasper: Emma.

[21:12] Eliza Gunther: Emma, yeah, yeah.

[21:13] William Kasper: Emma's Emma is Dustine.

[21:14] Eliza Gunther: Yeah, yeah.

[21:15] William Kasper: And we she rolled a Nat 20.

[21:19] Eliza Gunther: Yeah.

[21:20] William Kasper: On the reroll. That's the best. Oh, that is where like it is crazy that you know, an audience of 300 people, and it can feel like a rock concert sometimes. Like when we get those if you get that natural 20, which for any non-DD people, you have a 20-sided die, and 20 is the highest number you can get, and it means whatever you want to do succeeds. And it's so you have a one in twenty chance of just anything happening, and so just people go nuts. It's it's the coolest feeling when you're like, we just rolled a die and people are like screaming at us, it's awesome.

[21:55] Eliza Gunther: Well, like at a sports, like you know, when you're at the grand final it can really feel like that sometimes. It's it's um it's incredible that people grow to care about these characters that we've pretty much made up on the spot, you know? It's it's really really really special.

[22:13] William Kasper: I mean for a show so based on improv as we were just discussing. What what's the rehearsal room like? Like how do you prepare for something that changes every night?

[22:24] Eliza Gunther: Oh man, just like get your skills up, like how does that work?

[22:28] William Kasper: Yeah, so it was a great experience for me. I was I was shitting myself coming into this because uh uh I I don't have like background in improv, you know, so the rest of the cast does, and they're amazing at it. And they all probably have to improvise a little bit more than me, so that's that's good. So uh, you know, the audition process was this crazy thing of just putting your creativity out there and then improvising and then swapping people around to see what was working and stuff. Uh and then we got to the rehearsal room, which we had uh we had three weeks in a studio and then a week of tech. So first week was uh it was just improvising. We did not touch the show, we didn't touch the script, we didn't touch the characters, we didn't do anything.

We just for five days that week, we got in a studio. Our incredible director, um, Michael Fell, amazing. He just ran improv with us, we built chemistry with each other, we did some clowning, um, uh, which I love clowning so much, so it was awesome you need to do that. Um we did that for the first week. It was just learning each other's sense of humor, how to make each other crack, how to how to how to read an audience. Uh then the second week, we the players all got their, they have like three different characters each uh that they have to learn. Our two player swings have nine characters because they're swinging on for all the different players. Uh so they started doing some character work, um, you know, a lot of embodiment, a lot of vocal work, um uh just finding different nuances with them.

[24:09] William Kasper: Uh we did this really cute activity where we wrote letters to each other in character. Oh wow, and we kind of had to build on these letters in response and stuff, and it was they and then we created scenes from them, like it was all this again, not touching the script. And then our tapping keeper Zoe, myself as the Dungeon Master, and then R Swing, who is the like epitome of this show. Sonja Kerr, she swings both me, the Dungeon Master, and Zoe the Tavern Keeper. She swings the two hardest roles in this show. She's incredible. The three of us got pulled into a room, and they're like, Cool, here's the script. And it was this spider web of coding and crazy shit because of all the different paths.

There were like a thousand different options for things. It was nuts. Um, and we kind of learned how to use this script and how to ignore the script when we needed to, and did all that. And then week three was just sort of doing runs of the show. Um was, you know, we did a bit of blocking in week two, but again, how do you block an improvised show? So week three was running the show, doing what blocking we had, just improvising, just getting just getting reps in, really. Tech week was the tech week, it was the craziest tech I've ever done. It was, you know, we would we would tech a scene, and then we go back, and then we'd tech the next version of the scene, and then we go back, and then we tech another version of the scene, and we just did just went over and over and over.

It took like two days just to do act one because of all the different options and stuff. Uh yeah, so it was it was a really incredible rehearsal process. Um unlike anything I've ever done, you know. I I did still have my script learning days, and I you know, found this nice place. I'm living near the beach in Sydney, so I sat down and learned my lines and and I'm reading them in all my different character voices, and people are walking past, like that guy's weird. Um especially because you got the script like in the rehearsal room. I think most of the time you get the script one or two weeks beforehand, so that you can learn everything. So then going in completely blind and then being like in the second week, handed all these scripts can be a bit overwhelming, but like going, okay, I've just gotta do it, you know?

Like you just gotta jump in in the D-Pin. Just with the nature of the show, they didn't really want us to touch the script without without them in there with us. So um yeah, it it was a little nerve-wracking going in without the script, but the moment we started rehearsing, I was like, Oh, okay, I understand. This is this is yeah, I this is good. I feel like it kind of whilst it feels and sounds unorthodox, I think it works better for what you're trying to do rather than getting so bogged down from day one in the pre-decided script and those moments.

[26:58] Eliza Gunther: Yeah, working on that improv and working together first, and then kind of being like, okay, and now we can introduce this stuff that it has to happen, like it has to be in there at some point in time. It just it kind of makes more sense so that you don't get so stuck in the script and stuff that you forget about everything else.

[27:15] William Kasper: Yeah, exactly. That's that's great. Crazy. Sonia and Davey were both in my final callback, and they were amazing. And when I saw the announcement, I was like, Yes, I see them. Yeah, true BR Trickster is in my final callback. And I when I I was like, I came out of that room and I was like, I don't care if I don't get like, I mean, I want this show, and I think I did a good audition. If I don't get this show, that's fine. If Truby doesn't get this show, I will be livid. It was hard because like that final callback, that room I was in, I was like, it could be anyone, it could be any of us, and I wouldn't be mad for a second, because everyone was also so different, and the age ranges in these rooms, I was one of the youngest, and I'm 27, and I was like, This is cr that was crazy to me, but like it was so exciting because I for me at this point in life, there is kind of nothing worse for me than walking in a room being like, oh, Ken, I'm the oldest one here.

Great. I love that. And I'm like, I'm not old, but I'm the oldest one here. Um and it was like all of these different generations of DD. It was great. The age range in our cast is is I think it spans like 20 years or something. It's yeah.

[28:37] Eliza Gunther: That's amazing.

[28:38] William Kasper: It's kind of wild talking about all of this stuff. It's really opened my eyes to like a whole other side of theater, which is so cool. Um which kind of brings us to a bit of a wrap on um on the 20 sided and tavern portion of today's episode. But can you give us a little bit of a plug? Where can people find tickets? Give us all the info, all the good stuff.

[29:00] William Kasper: Yes. Um so firstly, to uh find some information, the Instagram page is great. We share everything, they update on fan events, things like that, any unique things happening, some of the shows we we give away like prizes to fans and whatnot. Otherwise, if you head to the opera house. Oh, I've got the I had the URL prepared and then I lost it. Um so yeah, the Instagram the Instagram's the best place for like updates and stuff just because of the nature of the show. We're constantly changing things, and and so you can keep up to date with that. Um otherwise uh it's uh www. uh Sydney Opera House dot com slash theatre slash dungeons dash dragons dash 20 dash sided dash tavern. Um that's where you can book your tickets for the show.

[29:48] William Kasper: And never, yeah. I mean, we get we get people reaching out to us on Instagram all the time, so you can also can't believe I'm gonna say this, but just reach out to me directly. Uh I don't I don't care. Mess hit me up, be like, dude, where do I find the tickets? Um we will leave all of that information uh in the description for the episode down below. But on that note, that is where we are going to wrap up for this first part of our chit chat with Will. Remember, Dungeons and Dragons, the 20 sided tavern, is currently playing at the Sydney Opera House. Make sure you go to the link down below to grab your tickets while you can. This is an amazing show, you don't want to miss. It's truly a like actual one of a kind experience show. Go see it and stick around to hear a sneak peek of what's to come in the next episode.

[30:35] Eliza Gunther: You put so much pressure on yourself to book an agent. To get an agent out of uni.

[30:39] William Kasper: I did not book an agent out of uni.

[30:41] Eliza Gunther: I still do not have an agent.

[30:42] William Kasper: You give it all the love you've got, and you surround yourself with people who are gonna give the love love right back.