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[0:00] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Today, on a special bonus episode of Support for This Podcast.

[0:05] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: As you know, I'm a social media purist. I miss the moments where it was just a photo, one still photo. And even now they have you, there's so many options. The app itself is getting watered down where you can post more than one photo. Founder of the Latergram hashtag and breakaway star of season one of Support for This Podcast, Spencer Temple returns to the studio.

[0:29] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: We'll catch up with Spencer and find out about his latest interests, including his newfound love of political needlepoint. And so I kind of picked up needlepoint, and because of the current political climate, I said, wouldn't this be a wonderful way to rechannel creative energy and wanting to say something energy into this medium of needlepoint. So I started to make these gifts for people. Join us, won't you? I'm Emily Amy Lauren Becca, and this is Support for This Podcast.

[1:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: We're back for a very special episode. We're here with Spencer Temple. Um we're honored to have you as you were in one of our top six most listened to episodes of season one.

[1:28] Spencer Temple: Oh my gosh.

[1:28] Spencer Temple: Wow.

[1:30] Spencer Temple: I'm so happy to be here. Thank you.

[1:32] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah. Wow, it's really great to see you. It's been almost a year now, I think.

[1:36] Spencer Temple: Yes, yeah, yeah. A lot has happened. Uh I'm really happy to be back here in the studio.

[1:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah, our listeners are just dying to know what you've been up to over this last year.

[1:44] Spencer Temple: Great. Would you like me to tell? Are you asking me or...

[1:46] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well, yeah, it's an interview, so you'd like me to tell you.

[1:50] Spencer Temple: Sorry, that was so rude of me.

[1:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's okay. Sometimes you and I get sassy when we're together.

[1:56] Spencer Temple: We stop.

[1:59] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Okay, so just to refresh everyone, um you created the hashtag Latergram on Instagram.

[2:05] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Which was um it's a huge sensation. Lots of people use it. It disrupted how Instagram functions. So it's pretty extraordinary to have you on. We're really honored to have you here.

[2:14] Spencer Temple: Thanks. I'm happy to be back. Um I would like to say that I have lots of other places to be, but um oh, things are kinda quiet right now. So I'm happy to be here. Thank you. Gives it gives structure to my day.

[2:28] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, absolutely. I love structure.

[2:29] Spencer Temple: Me too. I couldn't survive without it.

[2:31] Spencer Temple: It's true. If I had somebody in the world that would show up in my apartment and it's easier for me to exist in the world if someone else is making my schedule, I have a very, very hard time making the schedule for myself.

[2:44] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[2:45] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I um I stick to a pretty strict schedule, but sometimes if you share your life with someone they can upend that in a way that you never predicted. Um now, do you still see Becky? You had a phone call with Becky to make plans for brunch.

[3:00] Spencer Temple: Or you had brunch.

[3:01] Spencer Temple: We ended up going to brunch that day.

[3:03] Spencer Temple: Yes, yes. Bottomless mimosas, I think I remember you saying it was a boozy brunch and uh um I wish I could say I behaved myself. But um yes, I do talk to Becky not as much as we used to. She has been fostering this Pomeranian and it's been taking up a lot of her time.

[3:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[3:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Which I'm happy about. It's a really cute dog and I do catch up with I'm able to kind of keep tabs. Um on Instagram of pictures of her and um Rascal, the uh the Pomeranian, and I'm not happy for her.

[3:33] Spencer Temple: It's a purebred rescue dog?

[3:35] Spencer Temple: Yes.

[3:36] Spencer Temple: Yes. It is um it was adopted from a uh a kind of bougie puppy mill in um in Red Hook.

[3:44] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh um yeah, in in Brooklyn they they have purebred. It's it's a palm, it's a strictly it's called strictly Pomeranians.org. Um and it's purebred Pomeranians uh that they rescue that. But something must be wrong with them, otherwise maybe they get a higher price for them.

[4:00] Spencer Temple: Uh yeah, I'm not sure. I will have to ask Becky. I'm wondering well, he does this is the thing that I'm neglecting because I look at him on the in these pictures and I'm so distracted by how beautiful his face is. I do f I do neglect to mention that he only has three legs.

[4:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[4:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Um so he's a handicapped Pomeranian and um he requires a lot of extra attention.

[4:22] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Does he have um one of those wheels or does he is he able to just kind of hop around with three? Because I see I see a lot of dogs on the street. They just have three legs and they seem they seem fine with it.

[4:32] Spencer Temple: I um I I have a hard time.

[4:34] Spencer Temple: You get worried, yeah. You think they're feeling those phantom pains in the limb that's not there. But uh but no, he doesn't have the wheel. Uh he is able to make do um on his three legs. In my experience, not that I have much experience with dogs uh who are missing limbs, though those are strictly reserved for dogs that are either missing both front legs or both back legs.

[4:56] Spencer Temple: And it would be, you know, I I'm wondering if there's a sort of wheel situation if there's one front leg and one back leg missing. I've never seen that.

[5:04] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: It reminds me of that um yoga yoga exercise where you're on all fours.

[5:09] Spencer Temple: Uh somewhat similar. Sorry, I interrupted you.

[5:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No, when you're on all fours and they say lift your right arm and your left leg, that can be challenging.

[5:17] Spencer Temple: Yes.

[5:17] Spencer Temple: But I I've been working on my core strength.

[5:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Have you?

[5:21] Spencer Temple: Mm-hmm.

[5:22] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, have you created any new hashtags? Because obviously Latergram was such a huge hit. Um and you stumbled upon it. You didn't even at the time you didn't even realize what you were doing. Has that ha has lightning um struck stricken?

[5:37] Spencer Temple: Struck?

[5:38] Spencer Temple: Stricken, I think it is. Strock.

[5:40] Spencer Temple: Struck.

[5:40] Spencer Temple: Struck?

[5:41] Spencer Temple: Twice?

[5:43] Spencer Temple: You know, it's funny. You can try. You can try to search. You can try to make something catch fire. Um but in my experience, you know, it's a lot like relationships. Where I find in the moments where I'm looking for something, I'm unable to find the thing. And the second that I stop looking or the second that I stop trying is the moment that something lands in my lap.

[6:07] Spencer Temple: So what I've been doing recently is um you okay?

[6:11] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes, sorry.

[6:12] Spencer Temple: Uh so what I've been doing recently is is kind of taking up other hobbies. I've been working on kind of political needle points and things like that. Uh I'm hoping that by the act of getting out of my own way enough, that something might organically happen like that again.

[6:32] Spencer Temple: Uh so to say that I'm catch fire.

[6:35] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes, yes.

[6:36] Spencer Temple: Um and become very hot. Um I I'm hoping that uh what is Halt what does the halt have to do with it?

[6:43] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Halt?

[6:44] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Halt and catch fire?

[6:45] Spencer Temple: I guess I never understood you know that's a show on AMC.

[6:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh not anymore.

[6:50] Spencer Temple: I don't have a television.

[6:51] Spencer Temple: What is it have you watched?

[6:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, um it's a it was about um computers, the early days of computers. And I always thought the title was sexy, but I I guess halt, stop, and catch fire.

[7:05] Spencer Temple: Hmm.

[7:05] Spencer Temple: If it was about computers, I wonder if it would be more funny to call it alt and catch fire.

[7:10] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You're the way your mind works, it just never ceases to amaze me.

[7:13] Spencer Temple: I'm just a normal guy.

[7:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah, right. Now, have there been any um have there been any social media posts lately that have taken your breath away? That's that's what I as I recall, um, when you saw that almond milk latte, um it took your breath away that you wanted to then uh memorialize it, take a picture of it to have it forever.

[7:32] Spencer Temple: Yes. Um have you taken any pictures lately? Whether or not they're later grams, but anything that really you felt like wow.

[7:39] Spencer Temple: Yeah, yeah. To quote you, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa um I I haven't there there not nothing that I've posted. And I do want to talk about two things. The first thing is how I feel that uh videos and gifts and boomerangs are are destroying the art of Instagram. It's something that I'm noticing more and more of I I g I get really really sucked into people's stories now.

[8:03] Spencer Temple: Now now that Instagram is evolving, I get sucked into stories. I get sucked into to tiny video clip posts and boomerangs and things like that. Whereas I I miss because as you know I'm a social media purist I miss the moments where where where it was just a photo, one still photo. And even even now they have you, there's so many options. The app itself is getting watered down where you can post more than one photo.

[8:28] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[8:29] Spencer Temple: I also have a frustration with the oversaturation of people posting about their fucking Christmas trees. Or, or pe excuse me, I'm sorry, I just get very impassioned. Or or people posting about snow. You know, you we live in New York City and it's like oh goodness gracious uh I uh what happened to searching for the the the photo of the perfect latte foam art? The app itself and and the content that people are posting has become so mundane and so dare I say hashtag basic in my opinion. Where I'm just I I'm not interested unless it's something extraordinary.

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[10:19] Spencer Temple: The biggest thing I want to talk about that I've been wrestling with. I know that our audio engineer feels the same way. Um I don't I do not like that people can see who sees their stories. It feels like a real invasion of privacy. I don't want you to know that I looked at your story.

[10:34] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[10:40] Spencer Temple: I there are people that I don't follow, but I'll check in from time to time just to see their page. What are they up to? What what's their hair looking like? And you'll you're saying you're saying you don't follow them in the um excuse me, I'm getting all tongue-tied. They you're saying you don't follow them on Instagram and then you go to their...

[11:01] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[11:01] Spencer Temple: But you go to their page and then you will click on their story and then they will be able to see that.

[11:05] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well, I don't now that I know that they could see me.

[11:08] Spencer Temple: I see.

[11:08] Spencer Temple: But but my bigger my issue is people that I'm that I do follow on Instagram, their stories come up, and I like to see what they're up to, sure. But they're they're gonna know that I saw their story. To me, that feels like a certain level of intimacy that I'm not sure I'm comfortable with.

[11:26] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well I I guess I don't share it with everybody.

[11:29] Spencer Temple: I guess I understand that I'm confused at the same time. I you know, they're the reason they're posting it is because they want people to look at it.

[11:37] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So what's...

[11:37] Spencer Temple: But then they'll see what if they see that I look at it.

[11:41] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's maybe a question for you. What what happens then?

[11:45] Spencer Temple: Well, what it's just an acknowledgement that I know that they exist.

[11:50] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That you care.

[11:52] Spencer Temple: Maybe. What if they think, oh, all Emily, Amy, all I all I do is just look at your stories. I don't have a life of my own. But I I do, and I'm and I'm perfectly fine in this new chapter of my life.

[12:06] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, I didn't know you were.

[12:09] Spencer Temple: Um I'm uh I'm I'm in the process of um consciously uncoupling from my husband.

[12:19] Spencer Temple: Oh my gosh. I didn't know you were. Um, do you think it's interesting that no new major Instagram hashtags have taken hold? I mean, there's barely flashback Friday anymore. There is throwback Thursday. Yep. There is Latergram. There's Woman Crush Wednesday. Oh, that's true. That's still there. Mancrush Monday. But there's not the same the same level of Well, because uh but this is another thing with the oversaturation of the actual app is that people are going just for followers. They're not going for they're not going for cleverness or you know, so so they're uh if if I see another hashtag pick of the day, hashtag cats of Instagram, whatever. Wow. In an effort to to get more followers.

[13:02] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You read my mind. I was gonna ask you. Sometimes people, um, especially those accounts where they're trying to actively seek more followers, they'll have they'll they'll write their little caption, then they'll have those three dots on the left that I don't know how you get those. I I'm I'm envious because I I wouldn't mind just having just knowing how to do it.

[13:20] Spencer Temple: Right. Um and then they have a thousand hashtags. Uh let's say it's um your friend Becky with the Pomeran three-legged Pomeranian. Hashtag Pomeranians, hashtag foster dogs, hashtag dogs of Instagram, hashtag Pomeranians of Instagram. So many hashtags. It feels um Thirsty.

[13:41] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes. Yes. Yes. Speaking of thirst, are mimosa still your favorite go-to brunch drink, would you say? Or do you do you switch sometimes with to Bloody Mary's?

[13:53] Spencer Temple: You know what's funny? In the winter, it is it is strictly seasonal. I can't even dream about drinking a mimosa in these winter months. And um, there is something about the warmth and spiciness of uh of a perfectly made uh Bloody Mary. I'm a big horseradish guy.

[14:07] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes.

[14:08] Spencer Temple: Um that sauce with a W that I get very uncomfortable saying. Whoosh Worchester.

[14:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: With what what Worcestershire.

[14:15] Spencer Temple: What sh w Worcester?

[14:19] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You're funny. Um have you been having many of uh your later hashtag later gram cocktails at your local bar that you describe to us with the pop rocks?

[14:29] Spencer Temple: Yes, with the pop rock rim. Um I I would still love to try one.

[14:34] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah, yeah, you should. You should come out to my neighborhood. It's cool. Um, sometime we can find s uh mutual night that we're both free.

[14:44] Spencer Temple: Um most nights.

[14:46] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Same. Except for Thursdays when the sus is on 'cause I'll I'm on my couch with my box of tissues just wow, having a cathartic experience for s for real. Anyway, back to the cocktail, sorry. Uh yeah well yeah, the short answer is yes, yes I do. The the only boomerang I do like is uh is one where people are drinking cocktails. I'm being sarcastic. I'm sorry.

[15:11] Spencer Temple: Oh, that's right. For our listeners, your eyes did kind of cross and roll back in your head.

[15:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sorry, yeah. Well there it's always there's always you know, people I'm I'm I'm demonstrating you can't really see on radio, unfortunately. But I'm you know, there's always people. I mean it's like okay, it's it's it goes hand in hand with a snow picture or a Christmas tree picture. It's like, oh you have are you an adult? Are you having a are you having a boozy drink? Uh yeah. Do you need one at the end of your day 'cause you you have deep questions that go unanswered that you can't possibly understand.

[15:38] Spencer Temple: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think boomerangs are um most used utilized by um certain women of a certain age. Uh it's like, oh, look how cute I am. Sometimes in their bathing suits.

[15:51] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right. And then in winter gear in these months for the kids'.

[15:54] Spencer Temple: Oh, my fur hood. Yeah, I think my cute knit hat. That being said, I would gladly I would I would do it in a heartbeat. Post a boomerang of yourself. If I look if I look attractive enough, because it's hard when you don't get that at home.

[16:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I might be overstepping here, but I can't imagine a day that you don't walk out of your house and look absolutely ravishing.

[16:18] Spencer Temple: Another thing you can't see in radio is I'm I'm blushing.

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[17:43] Spencer Temple: Um, have you heard from uh the other Phil Collins?

[17:46] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes.

[17:48] Spencer Temple: Yeah. I actually have, yes. Just a couple weeks ago. Um I took a a risk a couple weeks ago and I sat down at my computer and I I thought to myself, hmm. If I were Phil Collins, what would I need to hear right now? What might quiet my my uh my tumultuous mind? Um and I I sent a a response I started. I said, Hey Bud. Oh, okay. It's me, Spencer Temple. I don't know if you remember, but you uh a couple uh a couple years ago you sent me this uh kind of incendiary email uh about the hashtag Ladergram. Mm-hmm. And I want you to know that my intention was to was to bring joy and cleverness to the lives of people who are on their phones.

[18:39] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And clarity.

[18:40] Spencer Temple: And clarity. Yes, yes, and honesty. Uh exactly this day and age. Yeah. Uh and I hope you understand. And he responded almost immediately. You know, it reminds me of this sculpture I saw uh when I was at Burning Man.

[18:57] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Um Oh, you went to Burning Man?

[18:59] Spencer Temple: Uh yeah, just a couple times once or twice.

[19:00] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Wow Um Yeah. When?

[19:04] Spencer Temple: Two thousand twelve, two thousand thirteen, two thousand fourteen.

[19:07] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now now you now you mentioned that you don't have a TV, you don't watch network television. Um what do you do in your free time uh when you're not Instagramming right now? What what's really catching your fancy?

[19:20] Spencer Temple: Uh as I mentioned, I was giving my my political needle points that I've been starting to gift uh to people.

[19:26] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Please please speak more on that.

[19:27] Spencer Temple: Um there are there it just you know is you know you wake up in the morning you the first thing you reach for is your phone. And I started to hate that about myself. And so I started to try to redirect that. Um so I wanted to start redirecting the energy, and needlepoint seemed to be I was there's a craft store in my neighborhood, and I kind of popped in and I they they informed me that there was a men there was there was a night for men to craft and so I started to go to these Wednesday nights at this craft store in my neighborhood and uh and uh one of the evenings that they were doing was was needlepoint. And so I kind of picked up needlepoint and because of the the the current political climate, I said wouldn't this be a wonderful way to to re rechannel phone energy, uh creative energy, and and wanting to say something energy into this medium of uh of uh needlepoints.

[19:37] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So I started to make these gifts for people.

[20:23] Spencer Temple: Um whether they want them or not.

[20:26] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well I I can't imagine not wanting one.

[20:29] Spencer Temple: I'll make you one.

[20:31] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'd love to have one. What um are they do you cover pillows? Are they in frames?

[20:34] Spencer Temple: Uh they're either, either. Really, they're kind of made to order right now, so I do both. Uh are you on Etsy?

[20:42] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No, no, I'm going through this phase right now where I'm not really believing in myself a lot.

[20:46] Spencer Temple: So Oh my gosh. I couldn't even like think, you know, to to have enough confidence to make in my own Etsy page, but that's the same.

[20:55] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah, it's it's I'm in a weird place right now myself.

[20:57] Spencer Temple: As I see you, as I look at you.

[20:59] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah, same. Same. So you're not on Etsy, but you do make them and they're made to order. You if you have a friend who says, Hey, you know, I'd love to.

[21:07] Spencer Temple: Yeah, or I mean most of the time, honestly, my friends don't ask for them, and sometimes yeah.

[21:11] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sounds just made to order by yourself.

[21:14] Spencer Temple: You are the person who dictates to me.

[21:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes, exactly. I make the orders and then I fill the orders, and then you know, if it's a birthday or a promotion or something like that. I don't know. Like um, can you describe your favorite needle point that you've made, your favorite political needle point?

[21:28] Spencer Temple: Yes. Um a friend of mine that just came out of the closet, my friend um Brava. Yeah, she's been experimenting for years and she finally came out. And so I made her this needle point that has a red triangle upside down triangle, it just says queer as fuck. And she loves it.

[21:41] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's beautiful.

[21:42] Spencer Temple: Yeah. Oh, it's funny, a friend of mine um is in this band and is playing later on this week. I didn't Oh if you're free popular music?

[21:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah, yeah. If you're free.

[21:53] Spencer Temple: Um I haven't listened to m to popular music since 1996.

[21:57] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You should come. A group of us are gonna go and it just could be kind of like a fun night if you're up for it.

[22:02] Spencer Temple: That's that sounds that sounds lovely.

[22:06] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: It's a group hang, so yeah.

[22:08] Spencer Temple: Oh, right. No, of course.

[22:10] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah. I'm s I'm I'm still technically married, so.

[22:14] Spencer Temple: No, I wasn't it was uh inviting you as a friend.

[22:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Just as friends.

[22:17] Spencer Temple: Yeah. Friendship.

[22:19] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Friendship for the win.

[22:20] Spencer Temple: Yeah. Well, Spencer, thank you so much for being here. It's been so lovely to catch up, see what you're up to. Uh I still don't know what your actual um full-time job is, but you know what? It doesn't matter. None of that matters. What we got to today is the core of who you are and your vulnerability and openness and sharing that with us today, just like last year, it just proves why you're in our top six most listen to episodes.

[22:43] Spencer Temple: That's very kind, thank you.

[22:44] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Of season one. I don't know why you needed to say it like that.

[22:48] Spencer Temple: I was just clarifying.

[22:50] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well, now it sounds like I'm not gonna I mean, I don't want to be confrontational, but now it sounds like I'm not gonna be.

[22:56] Spencer Temple: You know, it's it sounds like a qualifier. We don't even have the statistics yet for season two.

[23:00] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's that's the only reason I said that, and I'm so sorry. I think the point of like what I'm trying to say is like it makes sense what you said. So do you not c can we still go to that um group? We'll be in touch later this week.

[23:15] Spencer Temple: Okay. Thank you again.

[23:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Thank you.

[23:19] Spencer Temple: Thanks.

[23:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: After our interview, I did go on the group hangout that Spencer so kindly suggested. Without getting into the details, I've come to the realization that I'm not in the right headspace to fully put myself out there yet. Who knows? Maybe there will be a time and place for a shared Mexican sandwich in our future. But for now, I'm gonna work on myself. That's all for season two of Support for This Podcast. Be sure to follow us on Instagram and Twitter at SPPT for this pod. Check out our website at Support for This Podcast.com, or send us an email at SPPT for this podcast at gmail.com. Confusing enough? I'm Emily Amy Lauren Becker. Thanks for listening. And as always, for supporting support for this podcast.