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[0:00] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Today on Support For This Podcast.

[0:04] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: But then when she said, "No, you're not a bitch."

[0:07] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: It all pulled into focus for me.

[0:11] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And I realized I'm basic.

[0:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: We speak to Stephanie Burton, a young woman who came face to face with a shattering revelation.

[0:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: She's basic.

[0:22] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: On the podcast, we'll discuss what it means to be basic, what a metaphor is, and she'll beguile us with an unexpected poem.

[0:31] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I am the fleece pants.

[0:33] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Twenty minutes after you pull them on.

[0:36] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I am the toast that is the vehicle for your avocado or hummus.

[0:43] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Whatever it is you taste.

[0:45] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Join us, won't you?

[0:47] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm Emily, Amy, Lauren Becca, and this is Support For This Podcast.

[1:08] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Thank you for...

[1:08] Stephanie Burton: That's uh it's actually Stephanie Burton.

[1:10] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, Stephanie Burton.

[1:11] Stephanie Burton: Yeah, but Stephanie, Steph is, you know, short for Stephanie.

[1:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, right.

[1:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Great.

[1:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Um, thank you so much for joining us.

[1:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Now, you had a fairly traumatic incident happen to you recently.

[1:24] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Um, can you describe where and when the incident took place?

[1:28] Stephanie Burton: Yeah.

[1:29] Stephanie Burton: Um, you know, I was having lunch with a couple of girlfriends, and I was talking to one of my friends, Natalie.

[1:37] Stephanie Burton: Uh Natty, she's just so random like that.

[1:41] Stephanie Burton: Um, and I was talking about the Great British Bake Off.

[1:44] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[1:45] Stephanie Burton: And I was like, you guys, oh my God.

[1:48] Stephanie Burton: Have you guys seen this show?

[1:49] Stephanie Burton: It's the Great British Bake Off.

[1:51] Stephanie Burton: It's so cute.

[1:53] Stephanie Burton: And then Naddie goes, "Ah, of course you'd watch that. You're so basic."

[1:57] Stephanie Burton: And I go, "Yeah, I know, I'm such a basic bitch."

[2:02] Stephanie Burton: And then she said, "No, you're not a bitch."

[2:06] Stephanie Burton: And all of a sudden, it was like, have you ever looked up at the stars and people tell you there are these pictures, these constellations?

[2:16] Stephanie Burton: Mm-hmm.

[2:17] Stephanie Burton: And you can't see the constellation for the stars.

[2:22] Stephanie Burton: But then when she said, "No, you're not a bitch," it all pulled into focus for me.

[2:29] Stephanie Burton: And I realized I'm basic.

[2:33] Stephanie Burton: I'm sorry.

[2:34] Stephanie Burton: Oh my gosh.

[2:35] Stephanie Burton: Um I'm sorry.

[2:36] Stephanie Burton: I'm just... no, no, please.

[2:39] Stephanie Burton: Yeah.

[2:39] Stephanie Burton: This is a safe space.

[2:41] Stephanie Burton: Thank you.

[2:41] Stephanie Burton: I've I felt really safe when I got in the elevator.

[2:44] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[2:44] Stephanie Burton: Yeah.

[2:45] Stephanie Burton: And then off the elevator and down the hallway.

[2:47] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[2:47] Stephanie Burton: And then back on the elevator because I got off on the wrong floor.

[2:50] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[2:51] Stephanie Burton: And then so I felt safe at all the... and then even when I was on the wrong floor, I felt very safe.

[2:57] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That's wonderful.

[2:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: That was my journey of feeling safe.

[3:01] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So when your friend said you were basic, you suddenly... it was that you could actually see those constellations.

[3:09] Stephanie Burton: I mean, not in that moment.

[3:10] Stephanie Burton: I don't know.

[3:10] Stephanie Burton: Was it daytime or nighttime?

[3:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Do you know what a metaphor is?

[3:15] Stephanie Burton: Oh.

[3:16] Stephanie Burton: Um because if you don't, that's okay.

[3:19] Stephanie Burton: This is a safe space.

[3:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No, I'm clear.

[3:22] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm sorry, I took you too literally.

[3:24] Stephanie Burton: No, that's okay.

[3:25] Stephanie Burton: That's okay.

[3:27] Stephanie Burton: Because that's part of being basic.

[3:31] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[3:31] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Is taking things literally and basically.

[3:37] Stephanie Burton: Oh.

[3:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Okay, so that's a good segue.

[3:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Can you just define for our listeners what um what it means to be basic?

[3:44] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: What does it mean?

[3:45] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Cause because I didn't even know that was a thing.

[3:49] Stephanie Burton: I think for a lot of people in the basic community, the BC, as we call it.

[3:55] Stephanie Burton: Um, it's something that's gone really undiagnosed for a while.

[4:02] Stephanie Burton: And to suddenly have somebody just be able to point it out, again, going back to the... you can say it with me, the metaphor.

[4:10] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[4:11] Stephanie Burton: Kitty has claws.

[4:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[4:13] Stephanie Burton: No, no, no.

[4:14] Stephanie Burton: I'm just, you know, I'm just trying to like work through.

[4:17] Stephanie Burton: I'm here working through something.

[4:19] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Clearly.

[4:19] Stephanie Burton: Yeah, and I want to work through it with you.

[4:21] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Absolutely.

[4:22] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No, I'm happy to be here for you through that.

[4:24] Stephanie Burton: Thank you.

[4:25] Stephanie Burton: And I mean that.

[4:27] Stephanie Burton: Honestly and basically.

[4:29] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[4:30] Stephanie Burton: So basic is... it's everything you know and everything you expect.

[4:39] Stephanie Burton: It's all the things that people take for granted that are just normal.

[4:46] Stephanie Burton: Um Maroon 5.

[4:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[4:49] Stephanie Burton: Um, I actually I wrote a poem.

[4:53] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[4:53] Stephanie Burton: That might help explain things.

[4:55] Stephanie Burton: I would read it.

[4:56] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, I'd be honored to hear it.

[4:58] Stephanie Burton: Thanks.

[5:03] Stephanie Burton: Sound like a kitten.

[5:04] Stephanie Burton: Sorry, it was sideways.

[5:06] Stephanie Burton: All right.

[5:09] Stephanie Burton: A poem for the basic.

[5:13] Stephanie Burton: You hear a sound, and I am the silence you turn away from.

[5:18] Stephanie Burton: I am the fleece pants twenty minutes after you pull them on.

[5:24] Stephanie Burton: I am the toast that is the vehicle for your avocado or hummus, whatever it is you taste.

[5:33] Stephanie Burton: I don't presume to know you and wish you could say the same of me.

[5:42] Stephanie Burton: And you can't really tell um from the reading, but like a lot of the words that you're supposed to be capitalized aren't.

[5:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[5:49] Stephanie Burton: You know, and the spacing is pretty creative, so I guess that was beautiful.

[5:54] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Thank you.

[5:55] Stephanie Burton: So essentially being basic is um the familiar or things lots of people like.

[6:02] Stephanie Burton: I mean, who doesn't like comfortable pants or who doesn't like comfortable pants?

[6:05] Stephanie Burton: Toast.

[6:06] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Or toast.

[6:07] Stephanie Burton: Yeah.

[6:07] Stephanie Burton: I'm basic.

[6:08] Stephanie Burton: I like avocado toast.

[6:10] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I see.

[6:10] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So it seems like you have... you've been identified as basic, and now you're proudly wearing the moniker.

[6:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Or is there any kind of internal pushback?

[6:19] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: How do you wrestle with that?

[6:21] Stephanie Burton: You know, it's still early days.

[6:25] Stephanie Burton: So there are five stages of acceptance.

[6:28] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[6:29] Stephanie Burton: Just like there are five stages of grief.

[6:32] Stephanie Burton: I think... I think.

[6:33] Stephanie Burton: I skimmed a headline and that's what I've come up with.

[6:36] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[6:37] Stephanie Burton: Um I'm working twelve or seven or something.

[6:40] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: For grief?

[6:41] Stephanie Burton: Yeah.

[6:41] Stephanie Burton: Five.

[6:42] Stephanie Burton: But I think there are five.

[6:44] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Okay, sorry, twelve... twelve steps is for a different program.

[6:47] Stephanie Burton: Unrelated.

[6:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[6:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Has to do with my home life.

[6:50] Stephanie Burton: Keep that separate.

[6:51] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: What's going on with that?

[6:53] Stephanie Burton: Uh, we don't... we don't have to talk about it yet.

[6:56] Stephanie Burton: Or ever.

[6:57] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Okay.

[6:57] Stephanie Burton: Maybe later.

[6:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Okay.

[6:59] Stephanie Burton: Depending on how comfortable I feel.

[7:01] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, because this is a safe...

[7:02] Stephanie Burton: I mean, I just say for like the constellation thing.

[7:05] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[7:05] Stephanie Burton: You t... you also explained to me what a metaphor was.

[7:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I did.

[7:11] Stephanie Burton: I went to Harvard.

[7:13] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I knew that.

[7:15] Stephanie Burton: I don't brag about it.

[7:16] Stephanie Burton: I went to a state school.

[7:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Hmm.

[7:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well.

[7:20] Stephanie Burton: There's a place for everybody.

[7:22] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah, there sure is.

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[8:33] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Okay, so you have a complicated relationship with the five steps of acceptance for being basic.

[8:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Can you tell us what those five steps are?

[8:40] Stephanie Burton: No, I just read the headline.

[8:42] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh, right.

[8:43] Stephanie Burton: But I assume, you know, it's look, once you try to be interesting, if you're past 30, you know, it just really borders on obnoxious.

[8:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[8:53] Stephanie Burton: So I'm... I'm gonna say I think being... having a complicated relationship with your basicness is a pretty common thing.

[9:04] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm not trying to distance myself from the community in that way.

[9:09] Stephanie Burton: Yes.

[9:10] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: So before your friend, uh Natalie.

[9:13] Stephanie Burton: Yeah, you can call her Natty.

[9:14] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Natty.

[9:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Before Natty uh called you basic.

[9:17] Stephanie Burton: Uh-huh.

[9:18] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: What did you think you were?

[9:20] Stephanie Burton: Wow.

[9:21] Stephanie Burton: Blast from the past, you know.

[9:24] Stephanie Burton: Um, I thought I was unique.

[9:28] Stephanie Burton: I thought I was special.

[9:30] Stephanie Burton: You know, and not just because I had crafted my online presence to make it look that way.

[9:36] Stephanie Burton: Oh.

[9:36] Stephanie Burton: I actually felt that way.

[9:39] Stephanie Burton: Well, that's a gift.

[9:40] Stephanie Burton: Yeah, it felt... it felt good.

[9:44] Stephanie Burton: Um, you know, I was on a dance squad in high school.

[9:48] Stephanie Burton: I got like almost all B's on my report card, which is very rare. For just for a report cards in general. I mean, most of the times people will sometimes have like an A here or like a C there. Well, they're probably varied grades. Uh some people get all A's, for example. Right. And then some schools like go on like a number system that I don't understand. Sure. You know. Yeah. Um, you know, I have a sister, which you know, I thought really made me special.

[10:25] Stephanie Burton: Um, I grew up uh in the Midwest, uh huh, which is very unusual, as you know. Very unusual. And because it it's cool. Uhhuh. It's different. Uhhuh. Than being from the East Coast or the West Coast. Yeah. In the middle in the middle pretty big big piece in the middle is what the Midwest is basically have you ever thought about where the Midwest starts like um you can't pin it down right yeah gosh I mean is someone from Ohio from the Midwest?

[11:02] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No.

[11:03] Stephanie Burton: Yeah. Oh yes okay I mean I don't know but I would say yeah like there's no definitive answer because like the Midwest is this like you know state of place but it's also a state of mind.

[11:15] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah and I would say things like that like what I just said was really interesting.

[11:22] Stephanie Burton: Interesting and people would like go, oh and they would like write it down or tweet it out.

[11:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh sure.

[11:31] Stephanie Burton: So yeah like I'm I'm from the Midwest, you know, which is really interesting. Um and sort of almost exotic in this way or so I thought uh-huh and then once things start pulling into focus again um you just realize that there are a lot of people like you.

[11:53] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[11:54] Stephanie Burton: And you don't even know some of them. And it doesn't make you feel good like oh there are a lot of people like me like in high school it felt like everybody you know you had to all like the same band or you had to make sure you knew blah blah blah to be cool but now it's almost like knowing that you like things that everybody likes somehow is shameful.

[12:17] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[12:17] Stephanie Burton: And isn't that just like a sick trick that the world plays on us.

[12:23] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Right.

[12:23] Stephanie Burton: Once you sort of get through like your second semester of sophomore year of college, it's like, whoa.

[12:33] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[12:33] Stephanie Burton: That's not okay anymore. Now, and your friend Natty, she you said she made the distinction that you're not a basic bitch.

[12:43] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: You're just basic. What is that? What does that mean?

[12:46] Stephanie Burton: I mean, I feel like in the basic community, you know, there's this sort of shout out acceptance of the word bitch, or even in the world at large. People have really taken that word back.

[13:04] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Uh-huh.

[13:04] Stephanie Burton: Bitch. Or if you're basic bitch, that's kind of a fun alliteration sort of um alliteration is when two words.

[13:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Got it.

[13:17] Stephanie Burton: It's like a fun alliteration sort of cry. But just being basic is like, you know, when you meet somebody who's a bitch, they're pretty memorable.

[13:31] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Mmm.

[13:32] Stephanie Burton: So a basic bitch is also very memorable.

[13:36] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[13:37] Stephanie Burton: But somebody who's basic, it's like like a Wednesday in March. So it's like someone who's basic will order a pumpkin spice latte. A basic bitch will throw that pumpkin spice latte in your face.

[13:51] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: It's provoked.

[13:52] Stephanie Burton: Right. If you wrote her name wrong on the side.

[13:55] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[13:56] Stephanie Burton: Like if you wrote like Steph with an F instead of a PH.

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[15:26] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Okay, so so buckle up. I'm just gonna ask you. Rapid fire.

[15:28] Stephanie Burton: Okay.

[15:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And you just answer what you think comes comes to mind.

[15:33] Stephanie Burton: Okay.

[15:34] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Um basic movies.

[15:36] Stephanie Burton: Anne Hathaway.

[15:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And that's it. I'm not. There's that's the my final answer.

[15:42] Stephanie Burton: Okay, lovely. So anything Anne Hathaway's in is essentially a basic movie.

[15:48] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yep.

[15:50] Stephanie Burton: Uh, what would you consider basic music?

[15:53] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Maroon 5.

[15:54] Stephanie Burton: Mm-hmm. Coldplay.

[15:56] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[15:57] Stephanie Burton: Mumford and Sons.

[15:59] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Mm-hmm.

[16:00] Stephanie Burton: And the latest Lady Gaga.

[16:03] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: But not any of the ones before.

[16:06] Stephanie Burton: But I think she was going for basic on it.

[16:09] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Mmm.

[16:10] Stephanie Burton: So take that how you will.

[16:13] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Basic clothing store.

[16:15] Stephanie Burton: Old Navy and Taylor.

[16:19] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And if you shop it free people, but don't wear it.

[16:23] Stephanie Burton: That's basic.

[16:24] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Basic sushi rolls.

[16:26] Stephanie Burton: You gotta go with the OG California.

[16:29] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Of course.

[16:29] Stephanie Burton: Of course.

[16:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Uh the OG Philadelphia.

[16:32] Stephanie Burton: Oh.

[16:32] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Basically anything with the state in it.

[16:35] Stephanie Burton: Oh.

[16:36] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Good way to go.

[16:37] Stephanie Burton: The OG Cincinnati.

[16:39] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well, Cincinnati and Philly aren't states, but they are places.

[16:43] Stephanie Burton: There are places.

[16:45] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: We'll make it a bigger.

[16:46] Stephanie Burton: And they are delicious.

[16:47] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes.

[16:48] Stephanie Burton: We can we can agree on that.

[16:49] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yes, finally.

[16:53] Stephanie Burton: Uh this is a sensitive question.

[16:55] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Are podcasts basic?

[16:58] Stephanie Burton: I would say that within the podcast world, there are podcasts quote unquote types that are more basic than others.

[17:08] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[17:09] Stephanie Burton: So like uh true crime.

[17:12] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Pretty basic.

[17:13] Stephanie Burton: Yes.

[17:14] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: But I love them.

[17:15] Stephanie Burton: Right.

[17:16] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: And interview shows.

[17:19] Stephanie Burton: Oh, gosh.

[17:20] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Pretty basic.

[17:21] Stephanie Burton: Oh.

[17:22] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: But I love them.

[17:23] Stephanie Burton: Okay.

[17:24] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah, I I suppose it inspires some conflicted feelings within myself.

[17:28] Stephanie Burton: Yeah.

[17:28] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Uh.

[17:29] Stephanie Burton: To hear that.

[17:30] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: No, I mean, this is a thing. It's not mutually exclusive, you know?

[17:34] Stephanie Burton: Like things can be basic and good or basic and bad.

[17:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Sure.

[17:39] Stephanie Burton: Basic is like people. You know, it contains multitudes, except they're all boring.

[17:45] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Oh.

[17:46] Stephanie Burton: Okay.

[17:47] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Don't totally follow your point there.

[17:49] Stephanie Burton: Neither do I.

[17:51] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Well, thank you so much for joining us today.

[17:54] Stephanie Burton: Thank you.

[17:54] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: It was my absolute pleasure and honor.

[17:58] Stephanie Burton: Oh, and um, you know, I hope that if anybody was listening and Oh, people have a lot of listeners.

[17:58] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: If anybody was listening and was coming to the realization that they were basic, that they can come back to this.

[18:15] Stephanie Burton: Um, you know, as sort of like a guide on how to navigate the next sort of maybe confusing, maybe another way to see it is like exciting discovery of what about you is basic and how you own those things.

[18:29] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Claim it.

[18:30] Stephanie Burton: Claim it, but then also how you might also sort of be ashamed by them.

[18:34] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Claim it, also feel the shame.

[18:36] Stephanie Burton: Claim it and shame it, girl.

[18:38] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Yeah.

[18:39] Stephanie Burton: The shame is like um the you know, the the milk in a pumpkin spice latte.

[18:45] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Wow, how beautifully put.

[18:46] Stephanie Burton: Thank you.

[18:47] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Surprising.

[18:49] Stephanie Burton: Okay.

[18:50] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Thanks so much.

[18:51] Stephanie Burton: Thank you.

[18:52] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: Since recording, Steph's infamous friend Natty reached out to us and told us about some pretty cruel things Def had been doing recently that has put a strain on their relationship.

[19:02] Stephanie Burton: As such, I guess it's safe to say that Stephanie Burton is, in fact, a basic bitch.

[19:08] Emily Amy Lauren Becca: I'm Emily, Amy, Lauren Becca. Thanks for listening. And as always, for supporting support for this podcast.